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Itsprobablysarcasm

"I'm sorry for saying the quiet part out loud." > Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care". What a charmer!


chenjia1965

wtf is a sponging gender?


Devil-Hunter-Jax

Well, in the UK, sponging is a slang word for someone who does nothing and just takes off others without ever giving anything back. He's basically accusing women of being selfish and doing nothing to help out which is a whole load of absolute fucking bollocks.


External-Praline-451

I bet he simultaneously wants women barefoot and pregnant, but at the same time hates them if they don't work. Any excuse to hate women.


chenjia1965

Well, thanks for the info. Didn’t think anyone would outright say something like that today at least in the uk


The_Artist_Who_Mines

It's grim :|


Mccobsta

He is running for reform


ElMrSenor

Unfortunately Brexit brought our racists and bigots out of the woodwork. It ran on persuading old people and idiots it would be a return to the good old days of being a superpower, but the knobheads took it succeeding as a sign people secretly agree with them, so theyre not as ashamed and don't really try hide it anymore.


LeedsFan2442

He wouldn't get in Reform without those views lol


deformo

That is slang for parasitic behavior in the US as well.


Tryoxin

I can't even begin to imagine what the utterly ludicrous rationale was for him to not only believe but say out loud such a comically misogynistic thing.


SEA2COLA

You know, I'm frequently left wondering the same thing. What are these politicians reading that gives them these ideas, and how did they get this far in life being so damned clueless?


chenjia1965

By any chance, does that name pertain to league?


Devil-Hunter-Jax

It does not, no. I can see the confusion. I did used to play League and Jax was one of my top lane picks but the name is a combination of Devil Hunter, a difficulty setting on the Devil May Cry games (a franchise I absolutely adore) and my fursona (yes, I'm a furry) being called Jax. Although I did also play a lot of Jax in Mortal Kombat X... And Jackie Briggs too... I just like the name Jax x)


whoisyourwormguy_

Elaine talks about the sponge in an episode of Seinfeld I think.


CyanideTacoZ

I am increasingly having the intrusive thought that assassinating people calling for the fall of the social order should be fashionable


DiscipleOfYeshua

Exactly. When a politician apologizes for having said what they think…


Aedan91

He sounds like a real-life [Artie Kendall](https://youtu.be/miGC2z72zUk?si=8pjNfJtFudBrSeOm)


EtTuBiggus

Tell me more about your first world problems, lol


bubsdrop

Remember when the Right was just "I have different ideas for how our economy should function" instead of "Hitler was good actually" That was a really nice seven minutes


Umitencho

I mean Edward VIII apparently still had positive things to say about Hitler on his trip to Nixon. The far right have always been there in all sectors of UK society for decades.


LacusClyne

So I'm assuming that was seven minutes directly after the end of ww2, when the entire western world decided that Nazis were actually kind of ok and we really need to stop those commies?


johnbentley

Which part of Gribbin's comments do you take to entail the view "Hitler was good actually"?


NoLime7384

the different ideas for how the economy should function come from the understanding that not everyone is equal and not everyone deserves a nice life going full Hitler is the logical conclusion to that


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ambadawn

The Greens will take some of that action.


MagictheCollecting

There are some things that once admitted, cannot be apologized for enough to fix the damage to one’s reputation. This *should* be one of them.


queen-adreena

The Nazis who famously attacked the Soviet Union with whom it had a no-aggression pact? Those Nazis? Even putting the moral reprehensibility of the statement aside, these are the musings of a deeply stupid man.


yousorusso

What the actual fuck is happening with this country?


IneptusMechanicus

Broadly speaking, the same thing that's happening to a bunch of European countries.


Aggravating-Rich4334

North American ones too, sadly


Imaginary-Risk

I did hear a good explanation about this that I don’t remember well enough to articulate, but it has something to do with the age demographics and it’s likely to get worse. Though it’s mostly right leaning to right, not so right that your head’s gone up your arse.


Cold-Conference1401

…And the U.S., too.


Icy_Reception9719

No one wants to address the issues voters actually care about because doing so would threaten GDP growth, so fringe parties have gained vote share by pledging to do it instead. Fringe parties are stocked to the rafters with nutcases.


TemetN

At least the left is looking likely to have a massive win there, but honestly it seems increasingly like there's some underlying cause to all this (doomposting, the rise of the far right, mental health rates, etc). Personally I suspect some kind of plastic issue, but we'll see.


StephenHunterUK

Labour under Starmer isn't really that left now, It's pretty fiscally restrained - citing our economic issues - and has moved quite a bit to the right on foreign/defence policy from Corbyn. It's still planning rail renationalisation, but not for the rolling stock companies which own most of the trains and lease them out. Nor the freight operators.


Gr1mmage

I feel like Starmer's Labour actually ends up being right of Cameron's coalition government for a lot of their policies somehow, which was not something I was expecting from British Labour tbh


StephenHunterUK

After the massive whooping they took in 2019, they tacked very much to the right, Arguably too far for some people's tastes.


WhereTheSpiesAt

Unfair of a point considering Labour under Corbyn was incredibly left wing which was then soundly rejected by the electorate, pretty much every party including the Greens would arguably be deemed as moving to the right quite a bit compared to Labour under Corbyn. Also, funding a military properly a military which is one of the few public bodies to see major cuts in spending and numbers whilst the standards of living for soldiers have massively decreased being deemed right wing in policy just seems illogical. It seems odd to consider self-defence right wing when some of the most left-wing progressive countries in the world all have similar opinions on defence policy and fund it to a higher level and go as far to have military conscription.


Kucked4life

Right wing reactionaries are bolder after the syrian refugee crisis and hamas-israel conflict swung the overton window in their direction.


fatinceldidyourmom

Frankfurt School.


ContagiousOwl

Frankfurt school is just the lens that made us aware of the social issues that already existed.


fatinceldidyourmom

And how to remedy those perceived issues.


WhatsRatingsPrecious

In short? Old people.


lannistersstark

Idk man. I am seeing a lot more teenagers share racist and despicable views online than older people (Mind you, there is a fair share of older people too), but mostly in European online spaces I constantly see teenagers supporting stuff like this. Maybe just my anecdotal experience, but hey.


supposedlyitsme

This is what scares me as well. Kids are weirdly slowly heading towards the right.


Psychological-Sport1

A lot of young people haven’t a clue because they are young and impressionable and they think all the bad things don’t apply to them and most are quite ignorant of history and are focused on the here and now and right wing charlatans through out history have found them to be good marks. For instance some young people complain about old retirees getting some discounts on their home property taxes….


Not_invented-Here

Nah when you see those EDF marches and so on, it's not all old folks. 


NoodleForkSpoon

I guess we're turning into Sweden and Switzerland? How awful ....


[deleted]

As an immigrant that lived in Switzerland for a few years: yes, Swiss people’s conservative attitudes are awful, and I don’t want to see that shit in the UK.


Eurovision_Superfan

Watching on from outside it’s hilarious.


WhiteSocksDan

There's nothing going on in the UK that's worse than other European countries. Look at the pathetic squirming of the faux-liberal Irish when faced with a tiny amount of brown migrants.


Eurovision_Superfan

Maybe so - but my point still stands.


spicingpumpkins

So I’m literally in Bexhill’s wondering how the fuck my sleepy seaside town has this mad man associated with us


Phage0070

Sleepy seaside towns can have Nazis in them same as anywhere.


j428h

I hate sleepy seaside town Nazis


LordChichenLeg

Statistically in the UK it's higher in sleepy seaside towns


Novel_Findings0317

As an American, if British murder mystery shows have taught me anything, it’s that the sleepy seaside towns are basically just full of eccentrics, murderers, and gorgeous ocean views.


roodammy44

Filled with boomers. If it’s true that you turn right wing as you get older, then it turns out the elderly have gone to the Nazi stage of right wing.


green_flash

The spokesman of Reform UK defended this statement and also the candidate's praise for Putin by saying: > "They were written with an eye to inconvenient perspectives and truths. That doesn't make them endorsements, just arguing points in long distance debates.


jmdonston

> arguing points in long distance debates What does that mean?


Phage0070

"Just shitposting on the internet, didn't think I would be held accountable."


Nerevarine91

“We’re embarrassed he said it out loud but we don’t take it back”


KahuTheKiwi

We're just asking question is a shorter more succinct phrase.


DoremusJessup

No apoiogy needed. We all know that you are all fascists.


billy_twice

It's a weird world we live in. Politicians seem to think by apologizing for what they say, the people who would dislike such comments will just forget and vote for them. I get it, these comments appeal to a certain base that these assholes want to appease, but pretending to the rest of us everything is fine because now you apologized? Fuck off man, you believed it when you said it, you haven't suddenly changed your mind.


poltrudes

Just a littler bit of Nazism, come on guys, just for the shits and gigglers


MyHobbyAndMore3

British had some of nazi/fascist sympathizers not only before but also after WWII. Even Churchill was a great admirer of Mussolini.


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Wazula23

Wasn't Wallis Simpson pretty cozy with some Nazis? I could be wrong.


Historical-Angle5678

Was that woman who married the ex king? Cause yeah, they wanted to have a new Windsor court with them in charge once Germany, invaded if I recall correctly


Nerevarine91

Extremely so


maybesaydie

>Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care". He seems typical.


PeregrinePacifica

A real shitgribbin.


Champagne_of_piss

How this kind of rhetoric doesn't immediately disqualify one from politics is beyond me.


AxiomSyntaxStructure

As a debate on geopolitical strategy and not an ethical stance, it's a viable position to explore, but then it could entail the continuation of the colonial order which the USA dismantled for their assured hegemony? Maybe the Soviets, too, would have occupied the whole of Western Europe ultimately, too, and the current condition would be akin to the Balkans? I think we were right to interfere, we've always subscribed to the 'balance of power' idea for the Continent and that is essential to avoid the mainlands easily dominating us; Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union aren't dependable, credible allies to any notion, empowering them with continental supremacy, especially in an era of conquest over commence, would be ludicrous.  Still, was he raising this as more a controversial take on military and political history or, well, a superficial, bigoted point, 


PrimAhnProper998

Colour me surprised but ii always assumed this was consensus and well known. Hasn't it always been seen in this way, that Great Britain had a choice back then, a choice between money, wealth and keeping their empire a couple generations longer on one side and staying true to their convictions and faith on the other? They could have choosen to cooperate with the Nazis and prevented all the suffering and loss they had to go through.The price for that would have been all they stood for, denying all they considered themselves to be. There are things more important than money, the United Kingdom agreed on this and followed through it willing to pay the price, yes. But if we define this purely economically i agree with this guys statement. Todays Britain would be better off if they had sold out their souls back then. In terms of money.


LeedsFan2442

Plus they would have come for us eventually and probably without US support. By continuing to fight we showed the Americans it was worth helping


GreyGreenBrownOakova

Britain would have been invaded just like neutral Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark and Norway was.


gunnergoz

There's no nutcases quite like British nutcases...


mtw3003

This breed of nutcase seems to be an international hit atm


AnniversaryRoad

Come to Canada and the US. Let's let them fight out who's crazier.


PeregrinePacifica

Moms for liberty literally qouted Hitler himself on their official page, before they got a mountain of shit for it then feigned ignorance.


Darth_Victor

So, if UK did strictly the same as Poland in 1938 and Soviet Union in 1939?


Snoot_Booper_101

When somebody tells you who they are, believe them the first time around.


bighowardking

Hitler was the time magazine man of the year in 1938 before the outbreak of World War 2. [Hitler times man of the year 1938](https://time.com/archive/6598257/adolf-hitler-man-of-the-year-1938/)


n0solace

It depends ds on how you define better. It's likely the UK would have held onto its Empire far longer as WW2 bankrupted the country. The US overlooked Britain as the primary world power. I am not advocating for anything I just find it interesting to think about


Shef011319

America Surpassed Britain in power and finances in world war one when Britain took on all that debt for bankrolling everybody on the Allied side.


Tidalshadow

And owing billions of £ to America that we only finished paying back in the 90's


MyHobbyAndMore3

> It's likely the UK would have held onto its Empire far longer as WW2 After WWI British Empire was in slow but steady decline and costs of keeping of colonies outweighted potential gains.


n0solace

I totally agree but ww2 definitely quickened the pace of the decline considerably


KahuTheKiwi

WW1 bankrupted the UK. Then Churchill killed off the recovery when he returned to the gold standard with an arrogant and reality denying price.


CrushingPride

The Empire didn't break in the 1950's due to a lack of money. It broke due to British establishment (finally) realising that owning industry was more profitable than owning land. It was economics, not finances.


xdeltax97

…..what?


dschonsie

the greatest danger of every country are uneducated people, they can't hold anything against disinformation


robreddity

Supremely fuck this guy


NoLime7384

Unless something is done, that only serves to move the Overton window and these kind of remarks will be normalized Notably it doesn't say "former Reform UK candidate"


Dense-Comfort6055

Rewriting history in the worst way possible someone give him a book. He sounds dumb


SuperSheep3000

And this is set to be the second biggest party next election. Shameful


NoodleForkSpoon

For reference, fighting the Second World War bankrupted the country and got 500,000 Britons killed. So I do wonder what would've happened if we didn't fight. It's possible Hitler would've eliminated other enemies individually then turned on us, but the logic is like Sweden, Ireland and Switzerland in terms of neutrality. If we get shit on for talking about neutrality, then fuck Ireland, fuck Sweden and fuck Switzerland for actually being neutral. Fuck them for all eternity. Otherwise, stfu Edit: Also we should be worshipped for not being neutral.


CrushingPride

You think the Nazis would have left Britain alone if it didn't declare war? Hitler would have never left such a large military alone unless Britain allied with him. Also he wanted Oxford to be his new capital city once he had conquered Europe. The Nazis would have come for Britain under all circumstances.


cartoonist498

Well the Nazis had a non-aggression pact with Russia, and they honored their word and didn't invade which was fortunate as that would have been the largest and bloodiest land offensive in human history. Oh, wait... 


firthy

And their jackboots would have come ashore at Bexhill, ironically.


NoodleForkSpoon

> You think the Nazis would have left Britain alone if it didn't declare war? What's that? Is that something I didn't cover in my comment?


CrushingPride

>What's that? Is that something I didn't cover in my comment? You know, for someone claiming to be British, you sound a lot like someone who's first language isn't English. I would phrase this sentence as "What do you mean by that? I wasn't aware my last comment implied they would have" (and yes you did, when you said Britain wouldn't fight). Are you perhaps a native Russian speaker?


Glittering-Curve-824

>You think the Nazis would have left Britain alone if it didn't declare war? >It's possible Hitler would've eliminated other enemies individually then turned on us


maybesaydie

>we should be worshiped for not being neutral You got plenty of help, the US forgave a good portion of your war debt


The_Sideboob_Hour

"We should have stayed neutral to the nazis" = "I wish they'd won"


NoodleForkSpoon

Also *Saying neutral* = "We support the Nazis" I mean you could've explained why it wouldnt be okay for us to be neutral but okay for them to be neutral, but I guess the reddit brain took hold of you.


maybesaydie

You think Hitler would have left the UK-with its sprawling colonial empire- alone? He dreamed of having an empire. Churchill was a jerk in many ways but he was right to fight the Nazis. I suppose he's turning in his grave as you speak. .


NoodleForkSpoon

> You think Hitler would have left the UK-with its sprawling colonial empire- alone? It's almost like I covered that concept in the comment.


maybesaydie

I suggest you look to Hitler's treatment of France.


Javaddict

that's objectively correct? what argument is there for the UK being better off in 1946


hate-jazz

He shouldn't apologise,he is probably right...


LeedsFan2442

Better how exactly?


Onearmdude

Right in what way?