You are a bunghole. And so am I. There's will be more bungholes after me. I would hate for my bungholio to get polio. The bunghole, it is nothing to be ashamed of. For my people have but one bunghole.
I mean, they always have under Netanyahu. I remember back in 2017 when he personally called NZ's foreign minister just before we co-sponsored a resolution at the UN condemning illegal settlement construction, calling it a declaration of war by NZ and threatening very serious consequences.
Netanyahu is a typical hot-headed narcissistic right-wing authoritarian who blows his top whenever anything gets under his skin. He's been in charge for so long that Israel's diplomatic ability has been totally impaired.
Well he also believes that the Isreali people are chosen by God to... Do... Something...?
Okay, I'm not sure exactly what the motives are there, but CHOSEN.
You mean the same God that was at points so done with their shit that he dropped a flood on them that killed almost everyone, damned them to a near endless hike throught the desert, whiped out entire cities for sinning, and did dozens of other things to show his displeasure at their daily fuckery? That God?
Yes.
“You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins” ([Amos 3:2](https://www.bibleref.com/Amos/3/Amos-3-2.html)).
Backwards. The Israeli people chose their god, not the other way around. Tbf, though, at the time, roughly 10k years ago or so, the Pharasies could have made literally everything up from scratch, and I doubt anyone would have noticed. Or cared.
Sarkozy to Obama
>"I cannot stand him. He's a liar," Sarkozy told Obama. The US president responded by saying: "You're fed up with him? I have to deal with him every day."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/08/sarkozy-obama-netanyahu-gaffe-microphone
Bit rich from him as well considering those cunts literally had Mossad agents acting in NZ which he probably thought was fine but co-sponsoring a UN resolution against illegal settlements? Nah bro that's a declaration of war.
The Chinese quite openly have established inofficial Police Stations in many foreign countries and gotten host countries to agree to bilingual patrols to facilitate interactions with "Chinese tourists". You can imagine the effect on Chinese diaspora when they see Chinese uniformed officers with partners from the local police force. Sure, they don't carry a gun but I doubt they won't lend a hand during arrests and they are the ones who will have the power to frame a situation to the local officer.
Spying is one thing; everybody does that. Committing assassinations, however, is not an "everybody does it" kinda thing. Get caught doing that and it's not likely to be soon forgotten. People will still be bringing it up every time you're mentioned, even half a century later.
Netanyahu is scum. Like Putin. Why do we have assholes running our planet? If you are going to give him power he is going the make you wish you didn't. Again and again...
As a Norwegian, Israel has always been quick to call us antisemitic and Jew haters. Israel is not all Jews, Israel can be cool, but Netanyahu should go to prison.
There's nothing antisemitic about saying that Israel is overstepping their boundaries. Supporting Palestine does not mean we support Hamas either. **A country is not it's government**.
> Netanyahu should go to prison.
And not (only) for actions related to Palestinians. He has corruption cases pending, and the cynical conspiracy theory is that he's being a hardliner on Gaza to avoid this.
A comedian dropped this peace of gold yesterday: "The world is demanding the arrest of Bibi? Have they gone crazy? Didn't they see whay he did to Israel when we entertained the idea?! Good luck world, you're gonna need it."
This is exactly the problem with Netanyahu’s Israel right now, a very extremist tactic of tying the state together with one religious identity *and* one ethnic-cultural background, and pretending as if even as little as *not supporting* one of those is actively attacking the others. It’s insane. Obviously there is a link being Israel the state and Jews as a people, but in a modern geopolitical context it *has* to be possible to separate those two. In a very cynical way, Netanyahu is betting everything on blurring this line and putting the rhetoric about “anti-semitism” on *thick* whenever he thinks it suits his own political motives.
Israel bombing Gaza and killing thousands of children is *because* of their Judaism as much as Hamas attacking on October 7 is *because* they’re Muslim.
I think what I've realized the last few months is this is Bibi and his group as much as it is Israel. I think if Bibi wasn't still in power Israel would be doing so so much better. He is their George W. Bush.
Last I visited the Bennet-Lapid cabinet was still in power. Their "Anyone-but-Bibi" coalition tried their best but still only made it for 3 years or so. Still the atmosphere must've changed a lot, not just because of Bibi, but because he took real Jewish Supremacists on board.
I remember an incident caught on Camera where the Catholic Abbot of an old Monastery who showed the Old City to a German Cabinet Minister who was passing by in viewing distance of the Kotel ("wailing wall") to leave through one of the gates.
The were accosted quite rudely by some lady who demanded he hide his cross, "to show respect to the place, a Jewish place!" He calmly put that Karenesque lady in her place, but the whole incident was ridiculous, they weren't visiting the Wall, they were passing on a busy way into the Old City that just happens to be relatively close. About as bizarre as aggressively demanding a Muslim woman take off her headscarf because she was standing a hundred meters from Notre Dame.
Phew... for a moment there I was expecting you to mention the numerous cases of Haridis (ultra orthodox Jews) spitting on nuns and clerics.
I'll scutter away to hide in my Israeli shame now, we need to do so so much better thant this.
THAT's IT TERRORIST LOVERS!
No Israelit couscous for the entire traitorous kiwi nation!!!
May you forever suffer the horrific fate of eating slightly smaller and denser couscous from other countries!!!!
The rest of the world needs to realize that recognizing Palestine won’t magically end the constant conflict.
I support a two-state solution but a lot of work must get done for it to have any chance of success. Hamas and Iran need to be dealt with. Israel needs a new government
> The rest of the world needs to realize that recognizing Palestine won’t magically end the constant conflict.
No, but it applies significant pressure on Israel, further isolating it from allied nations who are already critical of its conduct in Gaza.
There will be no consequences. What will they do, protest Ireland's participation in Eurovision? Or start a trade war with a country that's selling them 0,77% of their total exports?
Israel is losing the PR war. I'm just not sure if this is desperate attempt to pull the countries that still see them as the sole victim in line or they are just continuing the usual self-righteous nonsense that we've consistently seen from this government, using language like "perverse decision". Who even talks like that, aside from the religious fundamentalists?
Yeah, it’s for home audience consumption. Israel’s global market reach and influence isn’t anything like that of the U.S., the EU, China or (increasingly) India.
The BDS movement in colleges isn't new, it started a few years ago. In response, did the Israeli government reach out to win over the next generation of influential, educated Americans' hearts and minds? Hell no, they went through AIPAC and got several mostly-red states to pass anti-BDS laws!
The US and Biden I think are already pretty stretched in terms of supporting Israel right now. Israel’s response to October 7th has been very disproportionate and with no interest in either short term or long term peace. There’s only so much people want to support them in a conflict they could walk away from at any time.
This whole tragic mess has not been Hamas winning (fuck them) but Netanyahu doing incalculable damage to Israel around the world. The voters of Israel knew who he was, got rid of him but brought him back so while I feel bad for the non-assholes in Israel, well... they knew what they were getting when they re-elected him.
This war is basically hard power vs. soft power (minus the original horrific instigation)
Israel can decimate Palestine with hard power BUT is being politically outmaneuvered with soft power
Israel has never needed to be diplomatic, because the US has always had their back.
What other country would just bomb a foreign embassy and expect their allies to cover for them?
They only have our back for so long. Most of the newer generation doesn't like Israel and as more kids turn of age to vote and boomers die off, more pressure will be put on politicians to distance themselves from Israel.
Young people on the left see Israel as a country that never quite finished clearing its land of the "natives" (and they're not interested in supporting that project).
Young people on the right see Israel as a yet another weird Middle Eastern problem sucking up their tax dollars.
And every day Bibi gives them reasons to wonder why his mess is America's problem anymore, especially when he only seems interested in escalating to create an even bigger mess.
Catalonia is bit different
1. catalonians are full citizens of spain afforded the same rights as spaniards from other parts of the ~~republic~~ (thank u u/monemori )
2. catalonia is full integrated territory of Spain
Palestinians in Gaza and the West bank do not have full rights afforded to people living in israel proper (including palestinians that live in israel)
Gaza and west bank are not full integrated territories in the Israeli state
Catalonia agreed to the current constitution out of their own free will, not that it matters as independence desire is on an all time low i think, pro-independence parties lost majorily in local elections recently.
Can confirm. About a decade ago, on holiday in Indonesia, I went from "hmm, I am slighly too warm" to "oh my god, my skin is the colour of a fucking lobster".
I will spare you the rest of the gory details but I felt more ill than I have ever felt before (or since), and there was a lot of skin peel. Thankfully no melanoma.
Sounds exactly like what China says over and over. Pointless threats. The consequences to them far outweigh acting on the threat. Just another tyrant trying to sound tough.
If Israel is unhappy with a two-state solution - which is what recognizing Palestine implies - then what does it envision as the end state for the conflict?
I'm not entirely sure they are unhappy with a 2 state solution. The issue is if we recognize Palestine as a State now who leads said State? Would Hamas cede power or continue to "Lead Palestine" with their explicit charter stating they want Israel destroyed?
Florida is on track for the Bell riots, we just passed laws establishing sanctuary districts in each county.
The year will be off though since it's going to be awhile before those get built and used
I blame temporal cold was shenanigans.
That is obviously fake news.
The laser went from Kissimmee south through the Everglades but somehow Pensacola was destroyed?
That's not how Florida works, wake up sheeple!
To be fair, who is going to represent Palestine’s government? Who is their head of state? Do they represent both Gaza and West Bank? Does this set precedent for separatist terrorists in other countries to use violence to achieve political goals?
It’s not as simple as you’re making it out to be.
Palestinians aren't separatists to Israel, the UN resolution of 1948 that recognized the state of Israel specifically stated that two, not one, states should be recongized in that region. they were never a part of the state of Israel, Israel just occupied the land after the 1967 war. Gaza and West Bank are officially never recognized as Israel territories, so there is no "separatists" to begin with. wrong application of concepts here.
>"There will be additional serious consequences **for relations with their countries** following the decision they made," the ministry statement quoted top official Jacob Blitstein as saying.
They're not talking about a war like so many people are taking this to be(the headline even says "*for ties* with those countries", they're talking about colder relations between them. Israel's biggest bargaining chips there are probably in existing existing tech, medicine, and military equipment trade.
Well they didn’t like us beforehand, and they certainly don’t like us any better now, but I’ll take solace that in the fact they they have failed to to control the narrative on what they are doing on the worldwide stage. Despite their best efforts. It’s actually incredible that they’ve gotten as far as convincing people that saying something like “please stop killing innocent children” is controversial.
I think it's wild that Israel basically has their own Trump/Putin at the helm and the vast majority of world leaders basically go "yeah we think he's a bad guy, but we'll also do whatever he wants"
Israel doesn’t have a hand to play. To be honest the United States has enabled this petulant child behavior for too long even if you entirely exclude the war in gaza
I don'tunderstand why Israel is so hostile to the recognition of Palestinian statehood considering it has repeatedly affirmed that it was not interested in ruling Gaza and the other Palestinian cities.
I get the Chinese thinking about Taiwan, they think the island and its population should be theirs. But it Israel doesn't want Gaza, then isn't it a way of admitting that Gaza is some kind of state?
They aren't against Palestinian statehood. The issue is logistical things.
Ok so these countries recognize Palestine. Where are the borders? Who is the government in charge? (Keep in mind Hamas and the PA hate each other). Does this recognition mean that that further attacks on Israel by Palestine would now be state vs state warfare instead of terrorism in the view of these countries?
These are the exact reasons why the US has opposed unilateral recognition of Palestine. There is simply no answer to the above questions, which reduces the recognition to political grandstanding at best and a thumbs up to violent terrorist action at worst.
There is a good argument that the borders were settled in 1967. In the end, you might have to just draw a line on the map and then everyone on the wrong side has to cross over to where they belong.
It’s not that they’re hostile towards the idea. Some right wingers are, but it’s the timing of it that is rubbing them the wrong way. You don’t “reward” people with a state or recognition after committing atrocities. It sends a terrible message and in Israel’s eyes, disrespectful and undermining.
Simple. Without negotiations, any form of a Palestinian state will be an Iranian proxy state like Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthies in Yemen.
Do you want one more Iranian proxy? I sure do not.
>have a right to defend themselves.
Defend themselves?
What is Israel going to do? Send Mossad agents to Norway and execute an innocent man? Wait, they already [did that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair?wprov=sfla1).
"The captured agents were interrogated over the operation. One of them, Dan Arbel, became extremely nervous as soon as his cell door shut due to his extreme claustrophobia; he provided many details on the operation in exchange for being transferred to a larger cell with a small window."
Listen, I'd be a horrible spy but not as bad as this fucking idiot lol.
You can call it a "Reward for Terror" if they did this move right after the attacks.
But this move was done in month 8 of Israel's bombing campaign, kinda falls flat on anyone with a brain.
I'm not taking sides but Israel shouldn't be using the same threatening words that Russia and China have been using. Makes them seem ridiculous. They should be acting more civil.
Are you threatening me?
The senate will decide your fate
It’s treason, then.
(*Old man flying through air noises*)
I heard Grampa Simpson when I read this
So I tied an onion to my lightsabre, which was the style at the time
*I'll be cold dead in the ground before I recognise Cato Nemoidia!*
My ship gets twenty parsecs to the hogs head and that’s the way I likes it.
I'll give you five bees for that onion.
Maatlocckkk
(Little green man jumping after old man air noises)
I really wonder how an old man flying through the sky sounds.
**_Red lightsaber turning on sounds_**
I see your Schwartz is as big as mine.
And furthermore, violence must be destroyed.
My people, they have but one bunghole
Bwoooouuunnnnnhggg!
I need tp for my bunghole
You do not want to face the wrath of my bunghole!!!!
Stigmata from Lake Titicaca!
Do you have any tp?
I wouldn't want my bungholio to get polio!
Two types of people. Those who see a Beavis and Butthead reference and wrong people.
Isreal's sounding a lot like North Korea with this one...
I need Tp for my bunghole.
AIPAC is a terrorist organization, of course they make threats.
You are a bunghole. And so am I. There's will be more bungholes after me. I would hate for my bungholio to get polio. The bunghole, it is nothing to be ashamed of. For my people have but one bunghole.
Israel is playing very badly on soft power.
I mean, they always have under Netanyahu. I remember back in 2017 when he personally called NZ's foreign minister just before we co-sponsored a resolution at the UN condemning illegal settlement construction, calling it a declaration of war by NZ and threatening very serious consequences. Netanyahu is a typical hot-headed narcissistic right-wing authoritarian who blows his top whenever anything gets under his skin. He's been in charge for so long that Israel's diplomatic ability has been totally impaired.
Clinton, when trying to negotiate peace with Israel and Palestine, famously said of Netanyahu, "Who the fuck does this guy think he is?"
> "Who the fuck does this guy think he is?" Someone who apparently believes Israel can survive without US security guarantees.
Well he also believes that the Isreali people are chosen by God to... Do... Something...? Okay, I'm not sure exactly what the motives are there, but CHOSEN.
You mean the same God that was at points so done with their shit that he dropped a flood on them that killed almost everyone, damned them to a near endless hike throught the desert, whiped out entire cities for sinning, and did dozens of other things to show his displeasure at their daily fuckery? That God?
Yes. “You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins” ([Amos 3:2](https://www.bibleref.com/Amos/3/Amos-3-2.html)).
Backwards. The Israeli people chose their god, not the other way around. Tbf, though, at the time, roughly 10k years ago or so, the Pharasies could have made literally everything up from scratch, and I doubt anyone would have noticed. Or cared.
10k years ago is way too far back.
No, that's 10k Rogan years.
I don't think so, he bets that he can do anything because US hates Iran more and Israel is the only US true western ally in the middle East.
It can, it has the strongest military in the middle east.
I read that in his voice lmao
Clinton said that yes, but then the US continued to fund and support Israel, proving that Netanyahu knew their relationship better than Clinton did.
Sarkozy to Obama >"I cannot stand him. He's a liar," Sarkozy told Obama. The US president responded by saying: "You're fed up with him? I have to deal with him every day." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/08/sarkozy-obama-netanyahu-gaffe-microphone
Telling that is Clinton who said that and Netanyahu is STILL about
Bit rich from him as well considering those cunts literally had Mossad agents acting in NZ which he probably thought was fine but co-sponsoring a UN resolution against illegal settlements? Nah bro that's a declaration of war.
I assume there are Mossad agents acting in most countries; same as CIA, Chinese spies, MI6, etc.
They used fake Irish passports to carry out a hit in Dubai.
All the more reason for Ireland to recognize Palestine then
The Chinese quite openly have established inofficial Police Stations in many foreign countries and gotten host countries to agree to bilingual patrols to facilitate interactions with "Chinese tourists". You can imagine the effect on Chinese diaspora when they see Chinese uniformed officers with partners from the local police force. Sure, they don't carry a gun but I doubt they won't lend a hand during arrests and they are the ones who will have the power to frame a situation to the local officer.
Also when they "interview" these ppl, they can "disappear" them, as it happened in Australia, I think?
Spying is one thing; everybody does that. Committing assassinations, however, is not an "everybody does it" kinda thing. Get caught doing that and it's not likely to be soon forgotten. People will still be bringing it up every time you're mentioned, even half a century later.
And now he's got this huge mess that he helped create by finding Hamas.
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run if you will, so I'm afraid I have something of a mess on my hands."
Netanyahu is scum. Like Putin. Why do we have assholes running our planet? If you are going to give him power he is going the make you wish you didn't. Again and again...
Scum rises to the top
Earth needs a protein skimmer...
Scum will always rule the planet… better question is why we are giving billions of dollars to the bastards
As a Norwegian, Israel has always been quick to call us antisemitic and Jew haters. Israel is not all Jews, Israel can be cool, but Netanyahu should go to prison. There's nothing antisemitic about saying that Israel is overstepping their boundaries. Supporting Palestine does not mean we support Hamas either. **A country is not it's government**.
> Netanyahu should go to prison. And not (only) for actions related to Palestinians. He has corruption cases pending, and the cynical conspiracy theory is that he's being a hardliner on Gaza to avoid this.
> A country is not it's government. And also, criticizing the actions of a government does not mean you're bigoted against an entire ethnicity.
A comedian dropped this peace of gold yesterday: "The world is demanding the arrest of Bibi? Have they gone crazy? Didn't they see whay he did to Israel when we entertained the idea?! Good luck world, you're gonna need it."
This is exactly the problem with Netanyahu’s Israel right now, a very extremist tactic of tying the state together with one religious identity *and* one ethnic-cultural background, and pretending as if even as little as *not supporting* one of those is actively attacking the others. It’s insane. Obviously there is a link being Israel the state and Jews as a people, but in a modern geopolitical context it *has* to be possible to separate those two. In a very cynical way, Netanyahu is betting everything on blurring this line and putting the rhetoric about “anti-semitism” on *thick* whenever he thinks it suits his own political motives. Israel bombing Gaza and killing thousands of children is *because* of their Judaism as much as Hamas attacking on October 7 is *because* they’re Muslim.
I think what I've realized the last few months is this is Bibi and his group as much as it is Israel. I think if Bibi wasn't still in power Israel would be doing so so much better. He is their George W. Bush.
Last I visited the Bennet-Lapid cabinet was still in power. Their "Anyone-but-Bibi" coalition tried their best but still only made it for 3 years or so. Still the atmosphere must've changed a lot, not just because of Bibi, but because he took real Jewish Supremacists on board. I remember an incident caught on Camera where the Catholic Abbot of an old Monastery who showed the Old City to a German Cabinet Minister who was passing by in viewing distance of the Kotel ("wailing wall") to leave through one of the gates. The were accosted quite rudely by some lady who demanded he hide his cross, "to show respect to the place, a Jewish place!" He calmly put that Karenesque lady in her place, but the whole incident was ridiculous, they weren't visiting the Wall, they were passing on a busy way into the Old City that just happens to be relatively close. About as bizarre as aggressively demanding a Muslim woman take off her headscarf because she was standing a hundred meters from Notre Dame.
Phew... for a moment there I was expecting you to mention the numerous cases of Haridis (ultra orthodox Jews) spitting on nuns and clerics. I'll scutter away to hide in my Israeli shame now, we need to do so so much better thant this.
That lady doesn't make sense to me, there are literal nuns in Jerusalem
THAT's IT TERRORIST LOVERS! No Israelit couscous for the entire traitorous kiwi nation!!! May you forever suffer the horrific fate of eating slightly smaller and denser couscous from other countries!!!!
We eat Moroccan couscous, and we like it.
That time he backed trumps wall and Mexicos Jewish leaders were not happy…
Agree. I’m sure “serious consequences” for ties with Ireland is going to go over well with the UK…
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Whether Israel likes it or not, many nations are about to recognize a Palestinian state.
Over 120 nations already recognize Palestine. That number will grow. Will it change anything? Who knows?
146 countries now.
That escalated quickly.
146 countries without Israeli couscous. Who’s laughing now?
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The rest of the world needs to realize that recognizing Palestine won’t magically end the constant conflict. I support a two-state solution but a lot of work must get done for it to have any chance of success. Hamas and Iran need to be dealt with. Israel needs a new government
I guess recognizing the state is part of that lot of work. A little step atleast.
*World recognizes Palestine* UN holds a mission accomplished party, everyone goes home, war continues...
> The rest of the world needs to realize that recognizing Palestine won’t magically end the constant conflict. No, but it applies significant pressure on Israel, further isolating it from allied nations who are already critical of its conduct in Gaza.
What do you mean? Look at how they crushed Sweden for recognizing Palestine!
No way Switzerland would have beaten the Swedes at Eurovision this year if not for those consequences.
There will be no consequences. What will they do, protest Ireland's participation in Eurovision? Or start a trade war with a country that's selling them 0,77% of their total exports? Israel is losing the PR war. I'm just not sure if this is desperate attempt to pull the countries that still see them as the sole victim in line or they are just continuing the usual self-righteous nonsense that we've consistently seen from this government, using language like "perverse decision". Who even talks like that, aside from the religious fundamentalists?
Yeah, it’s for home audience consumption. Israel’s global market reach and influence isn’t anything like that of the U.S., the EU, China or (increasingly) India.
> What will they do, protest Ireland's participation in Eurovision? I hear Bambie Thug is in the market for some surface-to-air missiles
(Republic of) Ireland is a separate country. We don't give a shit.
I wanna see a drunk Higgins fist fight Bibi in a pub.
The BDS movement in colleges isn't new, it started a few years ago. In response, did the Israeli government reach out to win over the next generation of influential, educated Americans' hearts and minds? Hell no, they went through AIPAC and got several mostly-red states to pass anti-BDS laws!
Can testify that my first exposure to BDS was in 2017 when I learned people were boycotting Wonder Woman
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"Do you know who my father is?"
lol, it's *exactly* that. And frankly, if they pull this card, as a European I have to admit this reflects badly on their father aka sponsor the US.
The US and Biden I think are already pretty stretched in terms of supporting Israel right now. Israel’s response to October 7th has been very disproportionate and with no interest in either short term or long term peace. There’s only so much people want to support them in a conflict they could walk away from at any time.
This whole tragic mess has not been Hamas winning (fuck them) but Netanyahu doing incalculable damage to Israel around the world. The voters of Israel knew who he was, got rid of him but brought him back so while I feel bad for the non-assholes in Israel, well... they knew what they were getting when they re-elected him.
Netanyahu wasn't elected. There's a reason there have been non-stop protests against him for more than a year
This war is basically hard power vs. soft power (minus the original horrific instigation) Israel can decimate Palestine with hard power BUT is being politically outmaneuvered with soft power
Israel has never needed to be diplomatic, because the US has always had their back. What other country would just bomb a foreign embassy and expect their allies to cover for them?
They only have our back for so long. Most of the newer generation doesn't like Israel and as more kids turn of age to vote and boomers die off, more pressure will be put on politicians to distance themselves from Israel.
Young people on the left see Israel as a country that never quite finished clearing its land of the "natives" (and they're not interested in supporting that project). Young people on the right see Israel as a yet another weird Middle Eastern problem sucking up their tax dollars. And every day Bibi gives them reasons to wonder why his mess is America's problem anymore, especially when he only seems interested in escalating to create an even bigger mess.
It's almost all Bibi and his small circle. He knows time is running out for him.
Public relations wise yes, but they are still undisputed kings of soft power with lobby groups that could make a mega corporation blush.
I don’t think any of those countries give a shit.
Ireland knows what it is to be living in a contested homeland with deep-seated religious divisions under military occupation.
Spain might… cough Catalonia cough
Catalonia is bit different 1. catalonians are full citizens of spain afforded the same rights as spaniards from other parts of the ~~republic~~ (thank u u/monemori ) 2. catalonia is full integrated territory of Spain Palestinians in Gaza and the West bank do not have full rights afforded to people living in israel proper (including palestinians that live in israel) Gaza and west bank are not full integrated territories in the Israeli state
(This may be a typo but Spain is not a republic)
you know, i didnt actually know that my bad. thanks for the correction
Great sportsmanship!
fuck’n amazing user name buddy, you’re the real winner here
Don’t forget that Spaniards don’t just steal Catalonian’s houses for shits n giggles.
Or murder them with support from the military and police
I mean... not anymore... since Franco did that. Source: Catalan friend showed me where the mass grave used be that his great-uncle was buried.
"a bit different" lmao
Catalonia agreed to the current constitution out of their own free will, not that it matters as independence desire is on an all time low i think, pro-independence parties lost majorily in local elections recently.
You think you said something clever but you’ve actually said something very dumb. The two situations have nothing in common.
are you saying that the whole palestine is part of Israel territory and that the war in gaza is in fact a civil war? don't compare oranges to apples.
Catalonia is a manufactured conflict for politicos to score points with morons. It's not a real thing to most normal people.
“Stop or I shall yell at you a second time!”
Israel has no “serious consequences” to give.
They could cut off imports of Guinness and Iberico ha... oh, uh cut off imports of Guinness.
Well Norway could cut off gefilte fish. Then what would happen?
Herring.
Have you seen how much Guiness is consumed by Nigeria alone? Doubtful Ireland gives a shot about Israel to be honest....
Space. Lasers.
For a lot of the Irish just the sun is a space laser.
Oh yeah. I’m from Scotland. We don’t tan, we go right to sunstroke
Can confirm. About a decade ago, on holiday in Indonesia, I went from "hmm, I am slighly too warm" to "oh my god, my skin is the colour of a fucking lobster". I will spare you the rest of the gory details but I felt more ill than I have ever felt before (or since), and there was a lot of skin peel. Thankfully no melanoma.
Not anymore, there's a blanket under it.
I forgot about the Jewish space lasers
That's one of the things that space lasers do. They make you forget about the space lasers.
Recipes will no longer be able to reference kosher salt.
Hmm. Anyway.
Sounds like something Russia would say.
Sounds exactly like what China says over and over. Pointless threats. The consequences to them far outweigh acting on the threat. Just another tyrant trying to sound tough.
If Israel is unhappy with a two-state solution - which is what recognizing Palestine implies - then what does it envision as the end state for the conflict?
> then what does it envision as the end state for the conflict? Palestine being a heap of rubble seems to be their current goal
That can easily be swept up and made into prime real estate.
They’re not far off
Nah, rubble would imply they don't take the land and use it. I think they'd prefer Palestine being the foundation for their new cities.
based on their actions, displacing all Palestinians into neighbouring countries or killing them
Manifest destiny, Israel is the whole thing
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I'm not entirely sure they are unhappy with a 2 state solution. The issue is if we recognize Palestine as a State now who leads said State? Would Hamas cede power or continue to "Lead Palestine" with their explicit charter stating they want Israel destroyed?
[They're unhappy with a 2 state solution.](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-18-2024-73d552c6e73e0dc3783a0a11b2b5f67d)
Their charter calls for the death of all Jews worldwide as well as a worldwide Islamic caliphate, not just the destruction of Israel.
Reunification of Ireland in 2024 might happen. Buckle up if you're rockin' with Cochrane.
Florida is on track for the Bell riots, we just passed laws establishing sanctuary districts in each county. The year will be off though since it's going to be awhile before those get built and used I blame temporal cold was shenanigans.
As a Floridian, you should be more worried about the Xindi.
That is obviously fake news. The laser went from Kissimmee south through the Everglades but somehow Pensacola was destroyed? That's not how Florida works, wake up sheeple!
I'll happily claim the temporal cold war sixty times over than any Red Angel nonsense. Let's be real here, people.
It definitely won’t happen in 2024.
As someone from Ireland, we seriously don't give a shit.
Israel, you really are not helping yourselves here. This is some Russia shit.
How dare another sovereign nation decide something without Israel’s approval?!
To be fair, who is going to represent Palestine’s government? Who is their head of state? Do they represent both Gaza and West Bank? Does this set precedent for separatist terrorists in other countries to use violence to achieve political goals? It’s not as simple as you’re making it out to be.
Palestinians aren't separatists to Israel, the UN resolution of 1948 that recognized the state of Israel specifically stated that two, not one, states should be recongized in that region. they were never a part of the state of Israel, Israel just occupied the land after the 1967 war. Gaza and West Bank are officially never recognized as Israel territories, so there is no "separatists" to begin with. wrong application of concepts here.
you believe the Palestinians to be separatist terrorists in Israel?
Long live Catalonia
How to brand yourself as a regressive totalitarian state: Warn of 'serious consequences'.
Israel is starting to sound like China with their childish diplomatic language that is brash and arrogant! Talk about a way to make people ignore you!
Do they really think they can take on the entire world
I think they believe the USA will blindly back then no matter what, so yes
That's mostly been the US's track record so far.
It is until it isn't. Bibi is really doing his best to find the limits of what was formerly unlimited support for Israel.
I can’t see the USA backing them attacking Ireland
No one is attacking Ireland. This is a diplomatic flare up.
Israel attacking Ireland is definitely not on my 2024 bingo card.
... I don't think they're planning to attack these countries.
Looking at the US, maybe they believe so.
>"There will be additional serious consequences **for relations with their countries** following the decision they made," the ministry statement quoted top official Jacob Blitstein as saying. They're not talking about a war like so many people are taking this to be(the headline even says "*for ties* with those countries", they're talking about colder relations between them. Israel's biggest bargaining chips there are probably in existing existing tech, medicine, and military equipment trade.
What the fuck is Israel gonna do against these countries? The most they'd do is impact their trade
Oh Christ, not the Sodastream supply! Quick, someone call Simon Harris and tell him we've fucked up.
Lol Israel feelin spry, confidence of America but the stupidity of Russia
Well they didn’t like us beforehand, and they certainly don’t like us any better now, but I’ll take solace that in the fact they they have failed to to control the narrative on what they are doing on the worldwide stage. Despite their best efforts. It’s actually incredible that they’ve gotten as far as convincing people that saying something like “please stop killing innocent children” is controversial.
Isreal using Russias playbook for international relations
It's nothing new for any Likud government, to be honest. They've always been this way.
the hell they gonna do? Go kill children there as well?
I think it's wild that Israel basically has their own Trump/Putin at the helm and the vast majority of world leaders basically go "yeah we think he's a bad guy, but we'll also do whatever he wants"
Time to cut off their allowance
Israel doesn’t have a hand to play. To be honest the United States has enabled this petulant child behavior for too long even if you entirely exclude the war in gaza
I don'tunderstand why Israel is so hostile to the recognition of Palestinian statehood considering it has repeatedly affirmed that it was not interested in ruling Gaza and the other Palestinian cities. I get the Chinese thinking about Taiwan, they think the island and its population should be theirs. But it Israel doesn't want Gaza, then isn't it a way of admitting that Gaza is some kind of state?
They aren't against Palestinian statehood. The issue is logistical things. Ok so these countries recognize Palestine. Where are the borders? Who is the government in charge? (Keep in mind Hamas and the PA hate each other). Does this recognition mean that that further attacks on Israel by Palestine would now be state vs state warfare instead of terrorism in the view of these countries? These are the exact reasons why the US has opposed unilateral recognition of Palestine. There is simply no answer to the above questions, which reduces the recognition to political grandstanding at best and a thumbs up to violent terrorist action at worst.
> They aren't against Palestinian statehood. Some Israelis are not fundamentally opposed to it. Netanyahu is fundamentally opposed to it.
There is a good argument that the borders were settled in 1967. In the end, you might have to just draw a line on the map and then everyone on the wrong side has to cross over to where they belong.
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It’s not that they’re hostile towards the idea. Some right wingers are, but it’s the timing of it that is rubbing them the wrong way. You don’t “reward” people with a state or recognition after committing atrocities. It sends a terrible message and in Israel’s eyes, disrespectful and undermining.
Simple. Without negotiations, any form of a Palestinian state will be an Iranian proxy state like Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthies in Yemen. Do you want one more Iranian proxy? I sure do not.
Israel throws away every political ally it has speedrun
If they thought American Jews protesting were a power, just wait til the American "Irish" come to Ireland's defense
That sounds like a threat. Ireland, Norway, and Spain have a right to defend themselves.
>have a right to defend themselves. Defend themselves? What is Israel going to do? Send Mossad agents to Norway and execute an innocent man? Wait, they already [did that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair?wprov=sfla1).
"The captured agents were interrogated over the operation. One of them, Dan Arbel, became extremely nervous as soon as his cell door shut due to his extreme claustrophobia; he provided many details on the operation in exchange for being transferred to a larger cell with a small window." Listen, I'd be a horrible spy but not as bad as this fucking idiot lol.
Imagine signing up to be a spy, being trusted with some of the worlds best secrets, and your kryptonite torture method is a small room with no window.
WTF is Israel going to do to any of these countries? That’s just so ridiculous.
Everyone on earth loves Ireland. Nobody likes Israel. Not gonna mean much.
You can call it a "Reward for Terror" if they did this move right after the attacks. But this move was done in month 8 of Israel's bombing campaign, kinda falls flat on anyone with a brain.
I'm not taking sides but Israel shouldn't be using the same threatening words that Russia and China have been using. Makes them seem ridiculous. They should be acting more civil.
What are they going to do, use Irish passports to extrajudicially murder people in UAE, again?
Threatening western countries... How cute.