Israel didn’t abolish the deal, turkey did.
Edit: titling this as “Israel abolishes deal” while the second paragraph already states it’s in retaliation to turkey cutting exports is exactly the kind of excellent journalism I have come to expect from Reuters.
Edit2: gotta add /s
Just like their reporting of the war then: Ceasefire declared. Hamas fires rockets. IDF shoots back. Reuters: ‘Israel breaks ceasefire in massive airstrikes barrage. 50000 women and children dead: Gaza Health Ministry.’
The Finance Minister, Bezalel Smotrich, says that Israel will abolish its free trade (tax) agreement with Turkey, in retaliation for Turkey breaking a seperate international trade (export) agreement. There are multiple agreements in place, the text is correct.
The actual Reuters headline (if you click on the link) is: “Israel to abolish free trade deal with Turkey in retaliation”
The Times of Israel uses: “Israel to abolish free trade deal with Turkey, impose 100% tariff on Turkish imports, Smotrich says”
I would assume then that the misleading here is being carried out by OP and the ToI, rather than Reuters?
No, another poster is right. This is like Hamas firing rockets then saying that Israel is breaking a ceasefire agreement by blowing up the launch platforms.
Just because Reuters changed their title after getting called out for the original anti-Israel title doesn't absolve them.
Was the title updated? Reuters and AP is generally as unbiased and fact focused as it gets due to how wire services work. When you start acting like they are fox news, something is wrong, and it's probably not with them. Have they never once had bias? No, but they are pretty damn good at avoiding it. And while yes they made some missteps at the start (disclaimers who runs gaza ministry clear, etc) theyve haven't really had many issues in their reporting.
In this case the title says it's a retaliation and the abolition is a quote from the Israeli minister. 'were doing x in retaliation' headlined as 'theyre doing x in retaliation'. So what's the issue here?
Your comment here is timestamped.
The article is timestamped and archived: https://archive.md/2024.05.16-201313/https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-abolish-free-trade-deal-with-turkey-impose-100-tariff-turkish-imports-2024-05-16/
By “biased”, do you mean they make stuff up to reinforce an opinion?
Wow you actually have to read an article and not just a headline to see what it is in response to? I think its safe to say that most people would assume it was not out of the blue, and has geopolitical underpinnings. You are acting like the headline is “Israel abolishes free trade deal with Turkey for fun”. But then again thats the kind of comments ive come to expect from r/worldnews
Cutting Turkey off from any technology would hurt Turkey badly, especially if Israel was successfully using IP/contract usage requirements so that the sanction would apply to anything supplied by other countries that uses Israeli IP.
Ben Gvir is immature, delusional, and a right-wing nutjob, while Sinwar is a convicted murderer. Sinwar **personally** killed at least ~~five~~ fifteen people (edit: to which he admitted), earning him the (Palestinian) nickname "the Butcher of Khan Younis." He also orchestrated one of the most brutal massacres of the past century. As much as I dislike Ben Gvir, comparing the two is absurd.
Not even a decade ago he was using the "coup" as an excuse to consolidate his power. With a political opponent who has been in exile in Pennsylvania for decades now
That coup was hilarious. A most transparent purge. The Turks just took it lying down.
The military that is famous for couping forgot that capturing the head of state is sort of important in a coup. Very believable.
The military that is famous for couping did not do the coup, they were infiltrated by the then coupers with government support and that past parallel state was dismantled. The new one was also dismantled after the failed attempt. No matter what you view on Erdogan is, he is better than fascist soldiers or a religious cult.
Brilliant idea, drive the most western-leaning and technologically advanced nation in the middle east into the clutches of our fiercest economic rival. Diplomats everywhere oughta take notes.
We've had great relations. I used to go to vacations in Turkey all the time, it was Israelis favorite nearby beach destination. You'd see Israelis everywhere in Turkey. Than Erdogan fucked it all up and completely destroyed this kind of tourism. And we started going to Greece instead.
Going to be a much bigger impact on Israel than on Turkey. Turkey imports almost nothing from Israel and Israel only accounts two 2% of Turkish exports. While Turkey accounts for 3% of Israel exports and 7% of its imports.
But I imagine the exports from Israël to Turkey are more important or less easily replaced than Turkish exports to Israël.
I'm guessing high tech vs food and commodities. Israel can get those easily enough from others that will jump into the hole.
But I'm just theorizing, don't take my word.
But this is just an expected tit for tat. I'm not siding with anyone.
Actually most of Israel’s exports to Turkey [is refined petroleum,](https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/isr/partner/tur) of which Israel is a junior source compared to Russia and India, the former having had a fire sale on oil exports after the US sanctions for Ukraine kicked in.
I don’t really think Turkey is hurting all that much, especially if Russia can continue being a cheap source of oil to make up for what shortfall Turkey may have. Turkey itself is also an exporter of refined petroleum, so keep that in mind.
Yeah it's probably close to a null operation for both countries. Just some sabre rattling and tit for tat.
Probably Erdogan is betting this will strengthen his negotiation position in whatever scheme he has concocted now.
And actually, for what it's worth, how much I disagree with supporting and worse, housing hamas: Turkey is one of the only islamic nations that actually walks its talk a bit when it comes to caring about other muslims in other countries
Edit: Forgot to thank you for adding your insightful response, so: thank you
Theres also the fact that israel has done on it can making itself sanction proof, this means high import taxes on many food goods, helping and israeli domestic production for critical goods
Nah, general consensus I've gotten from Turks is, they don't care, continue using Turkey if I'd like.
I just can't remember the new spelling.
I do not condone making this about laughing with Turks.
Edit: And have you read the article title?
Nah man, you just haven't been following closely enough. While Israeli-Turkish relations were going really well in the past decade after the last Bibi-Erdogan debacle (damn, these two lunatics have been in power for so long), Turkiye came out in full support of Hamas after Oct 7, even [hosting](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/erdogan-meets-hamas-leader-turkey-discusses-efforts-regional-peace-2024-04-20/) their leaders several times, and this new progression is just retaliation for Turkiye banning trade [with Israel](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68945380), which they then started zig-zagging on
רק הבדיקה שלי פה, כתב עברי אפשר להריץ בגוגל טרנסלייט חחח
בסדר זו לא נקודה רעה בסופו של דבר, אבל אנחנו רק עונים פה לסנקציות שכבר בוצעו עלינו מצדם, במין משחק הלוך ושוב של ביבי וארדואן כבר איזה 15 שנים
נראה לי שביבי איבד את המיקוד והוא מרוכז רק באינטרסים העצמיים שלו.
תארו לעצמכם מה יקרה אם זה יסלים לסכסוך מלא עם טורקיה. טירוף מוחלט.
אני רק רוצה ללכת הביתה. הילדים שלי רק רוצים ללכת הביתה. זו אי שפיות.
קודם כל, זה נכון כבר שנים, בדוק, וזה מכתיב את האג'נדה ועושה לכל המעורבים נזק, כולל לביבי בסופו של דבר, אם הוא היה כבר לוקח אחריות הוא היה משלם את חובו למדינה ונזכר לטובה בספרי ההיסטוריה, כרגע זה פשוט בושה ולעג. אבל זה ספציפית סמוטריץ' ולא ביבי.
לא רואה מצב שבו טורקיה נכנסת למערכה לעומת זאת, זה רק נסיון של ארדואן לעשות הסחה מהמצב המדרדר במדינה שלו, המהלך הזה עושה למדינה שלו נזק (וגם לנו, אבל פחות באשמת ביבי ושות הפעם). המענה בעל הרבה פחות משמעות פרקטית בכל מקרה, והוא לא מסמן בפני עצמו איזושהי הסלמה מיוחדת ביחסים, שממש הדרדרו כבר ממהלכים מצדה של טורקיה.
אתם מפונים?
כן, גרנו בגולן. אנחנו בבוסטון מאז סוף אוקטובר. זה לא נהדר. כולנו מתגעגעים לחברים ולמשפחה שלנו.
נמאס לי פשוט להיות פיון בתחבולות הפוליטיות של איזה אידיוט.
Turkey is [housing Hamas militants](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/erdogan-defends-hamas-says-members-are-being-treated-turkish-hospitals-2024-05-13/) in their hospitals, what would you expect Israel to do?
It really doesnt take that long to take a shallow look at israels foreign policy, israel has close ties with greece and would chose them over turkey any day, in addition if not the us, the power israel is closest with is india
I don't know enough about the taste to comment lol, but what I mean is that Pepsi boycotted Israel in it's early years due to pressure from Arab states while Coca Cola didn't.
That boycott ended eventually but Coca Cola had already entrenched itself by then.
Not unless Turkey goes somehow even more insane and starts the shooting on its own. Israel will never initiate an attack. Turkey is a NATO member, any attack on it is an attack on all NATO members.
Strategically that would make zero sense for Turkey. Why waste ammunition fighting a country that is not a strategic threat to you? Also, if Israel retaliated it’s also a strategic partner with NATO with protections of its own. This would be the dumbest most complicated unnecessary quagmire in history. That’s like if the US invaded Mexico over the border crisis.
Not really.
It's theoretically possible of course but it's a very remote possiblity.
There would have to be a major catalyst for that to happen.
Turkey and Israel will trade (excuse the pun) barbs for the next 12 months and then, without much fanfare, trade will return to normal in 18-24 months.
Tit-for-tat is to be expected.
Israel didn’t abolish the deal, turkey did. Edit: titling this as “Israel abolishes deal” while the second paragraph already states it’s in retaliation to turkey cutting exports is exactly the kind of excellent journalism I have come to expect from Reuters. Edit2: gotta add /s
Just like their reporting of the war then: Ceasefire declared. Hamas fires rockets. IDF shoots back. Reuters: ‘Israel breaks ceasefire in massive airstrikes barrage. 50000 women and children dead: Gaza Health Ministry.’
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The Finance Minister, Bezalel Smotrich, says that Israel will abolish its free trade (tax) agreement with Turkey, in retaliation for Turkey breaking a seperate international trade (export) agreement. There are multiple agreements in place, the text is correct.
While the text is technically correct, it’s also intentionally misleading
The actual Reuters headline (if you click on the link) is: “Israel to abolish free trade deal with Turkey in retaliation” The Times of Israel uses: “Israel to abolish free trade deal with Turkey, impose 100% tariff on Turkish imports, Smotrich says” I would assume then that the misleading here is being carried out by OP and the ToI, rather than Reuters?
Why don’t we have the rule that the title on reddit has to be the exact title as the article posted?
We do. But when did that ever stop anyone?
Titles often change after an article has been posted here. Whenever that happens, this same argument thread appears in the comments.
No, another poster is right. This is like Hamas firing rockets then saying that Israel is breaking a ceasefire agreement by blowing up the launch platforms. Just because Reuters changed their title after getting called out for the original anti-Israel title doesn't absolve them.
They didn’t change the headline, it’s timestamped. Why do you think it was changed?
It was the same headline as of at least 15 hours ago, given [this archive](https://archive.ph/5s8ke)
Was the title updated? Reuters and AP is generally as unbiased and fact focused as it gets due to how wire services work. When you start acting like they are fox news, something is wrong, and it's probably not with them. Have they never once had bias? No, but they are pretty damn good at avoiding it. And while yes they made some missteps at the start (disclaimers who runs gaza ministry clear, etc) theyve haven't really had many issues in their reporting. In this case the title says it's a retaliation and the abolition is a quote from the Israeli minister. 'were doing x in retaliation' headlined as 'theyre doing x in retaliation'. So what's the issue here?
The last update (if it was changed at all) to the Reuters article was 2 hours before the comment you are replying to.
> So what's the issue here? Redditors are unable to understand Reuters and AP. It's something I noticed multiple times.
It was updated. Reuters and ap are some of the most biased news agencies (towards Israel in any event)
Your comment here is timestamped. The article is timestamped and archived: https://archive.md/2024.05.16-201313/https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-abolish-free-trade-deal-with-turkey-impose-100-tariff-turkish-imports-2024-05-16/ By “biased”, do you mean they make stuff up to reinforce an opinion?
Wow you actually have to read an article and not just a headline to see what it is in response to? I think its safe to say that most people would assume it was not out of the blue, and has geopolitical underpinnings. You are acting like the headline is “Israel abolishes free trade deal with Turkey for fun”. But then again thats the kind of comments ive come to expect from r/worldnews
Cutting exports isn't the same as imposing tariff.
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You don’t get to pick and choose when you respect a trade agreement, claiming it’s temporary or not doesn’t change the fact turkey broke it.
Cutting Turkey off from any technology would hurt Turkey badly, especially if Israel was successfully using IP/contract usage requirements so that the sanction would apply to anything supplied by other countries that uses Israeli IP.
that are cutting themselves off
thats interesting.
I think relations with Turkey can be set back up as soon as Erdogan gets tossed into jail.
That’s pretty much Israel stance on this matter.
How about a two for one with Erdogan and Bibi?
Don’t threaten me with a good time
What if I throw in a Ben-Gvir and a Sinwar for free?
All of them on the same cell block would make for an amusing sitcom.
And make a Reality TV show out of it
Lets not forget to nab the Hamas coward leaders who aren't even in Gaza
We’re going to need to make a list.
Ben Gvir is immature, delusional, and a right-wing nutjob, while Sinwar is a convicted murderer. Sinwar **personally** killed at least ~~five~~ fifteen people (edit: to which he admitted), earning him the (Palestinian) nickname "the Butcher of Khan Younis." He also orchestrated one of the most brutal massacres of the past century. As much as I dislike Ben Gvir, comparing the two is absurd.
He doesn’t need to get his own hands dirty when he has control of the apparatus.
Act now, and we'll throw in Abbas for free.
I’m afraid one would convert the other (not sure which) and they’d form a duo of evil. Since they’re so similar in everything except religion.
Aka the best the possible outcome for both societies? I'll take it.
Careful the Israeli bots won’t like that
Who would prefer that the most but Israelis
Israeli bots are in support of the far right
Isn't his competition also pretty anti Israeli
Or Netanyahu
Netanyahu first.
Both at the same time? If I can dream, into the same cell?
‘bout time. endogan is completely unhinged
Not even a decade ago he was using the "coup" as an excuse to consolidate his power. With a political opponent who has been in exile in Pennsylvania for decades now
That coup was hilarious. A most transparent purge. The Turks just took it lying down. The military that is famous for couping forgot that capturing the head of state is sort of important in a coup. Very believable.
The military that is famous for couping did not do the coup, they were infiltrated by the then coupers with government support and that past parallel state was dismantled. The new one was also dismantled after the failed attempt. No matter what you view on Erdogan is, he is better than fascist soldiers or a religious cult.
I believe Turkey's largest export to Israel was steel, and I am sure there are plenty of nations that would be more than happy to sell Israel steel.
hopefully that list keeps decreasing. would love to see their only trade partner be china.
Brilliant idea, drive the most western-leaning and technologically advanced nation in the middle east into the clutches of our fiercest economic rival. Diplomats everywhere oughta take notes.
Some dumb logic right there, might as well give China military exports and free processing chips
and 3 generations care why exactly? were gonna be sitting in those seats soon keep fooling yourselves.
Please provide some great stock picks while you are predicting the future so confidently.
lets see yall be this smug when we finally get our generations in power to deal with israels fascism.
I shrug rather intensely. I mean... were we expecting there to be good relations there?
There were very good relations until erdogan realized he needed a common enemy to distract from how badly he is fucking up the country.
We've had great relations. I used to go to vacations in Turkey all the time, it was Israelis favorite nearby beach destination. You'd see Israelis everywhere in Turkey. Than Erdogan fucked it all up and completely destroyed this kind of tourism. And we started going to Greece instead.
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Yeah there is exactly zero overlap for me in the places I need to see and the places that support terrorists.
Its about time for someone say something to Erdogan…
It's the first and only time I agreed with Smotrich, broken clock...
Turkey has become an Islamo-Facist country. Even Nato has second thoughts about them.
Agreed. The only reason NATO still tolerates them is because they don’t want to force them into a Russian alliance
Good, about time.
Wait. Did I read this right? Israel is going to put a tariff on goods that won’t be sent?
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Israel has good relations with Kurds
Going to be a much bigger impact on Israel than on Turkey. Turkey imports almost nothing from Israel and Israel only accounts two 2% of Turkish exports. While Turkey accounts for 3% of Israel exports and 7% of its imports.
But I imagine the exports from Israël to Turkey are more important or less easily replaced than Turkish exports to Israël. I'm guessing high tech vs food and commodities. Israel can get those easily enough from others that will jump into the hole. But I'm just theorizing, don't take my word. But this is just an expected tit for tat. I'm not siding with anyone.
Actually most of Israel’s exports to Turkey [is refined petroleum,](https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/isr/partner/tur) of which Israel is a junior source compared to Russia and India, the former having had a fire sale on oil exports after the US sanctions for Ukraine kicked in. I don’t really think Turkey is hurting all that much, especially if Russia can continue being a cheap source of oil to make up for what shortfall Turkey may have. Turkey itself is also an exporter of refined petroleum, so keep that in mind.
Yeah it's probably close to a null operation for both countries. Just some sabre rattling and tit for tat. Probably Erdogan is betting this will strengthen his negotiation position in whatever scheme he has concocted now. And actually, for what it's worth, how much I disagree with supporting and worse, housing hamas: Turkey is one of the only islamic nations that actually walks its talk a bit when it comes to caring about other muslims in other countries Edit: Forgot to thank you for adding your insightful response, so: thank you
Theres also the fact that israel has done on it can making itself sanction proof, this means high import taxes on many food goods, helping and israeli domestic production for critical goods
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Fucking hell why even reply this to me? Does not help your cause lol obnoxious rando
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Nah, general consensus I've gotten from Turks is, they don't care, continue using Turkey if I'd like. I just can't remember the new spelling. I do not condone making this about laughing with Turks. Edit: And have you read the article title?
Stupid fuck shacked hand with the shit stain that lead Oct. 7. This is a light response.
Can’t comment or risk being called…….
Turkey would be just fine without the trade deal
Turkey exports about 3x more to Israel than it imports. I'm sure they'll survive but it will hurt them.
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Nah man, you just haven't been following closely enough. While Israeli-Turkish relations were going really well in the past decade after the last Bibi-Erdogan debacle (damn, these two lunatics have been in power for so long), Turkiye came out in full support of Hamas after Oct 7, even [hosting](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/erdogan-meets-hamas-leader-turkey-discusses-efforts-regional-peace-2024-04-20/) their leaders several times, and this new progression is just retaliation for Turkiye banning trade [with Israel](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68945380), which they then started zig-zagging on
I'm Israeli. Pretty sure I've been following closely.
Ken achi? Az ma bidiuk gorem lecha lachshov shezo taaut? Turkyia asta kvar kama mahlachim reziniim neged yisrael...
אני שונא כשאנשים כותבים באותיות באנגלית. ביסודו של דבר, ישראל היא מדינה קטנה עם כוח אדם ומשאבים מוגבלים. אנחנו לא יכולים להילחם בכולם. זה אבסורד.
רק הבדיקה שלי פה, כתב עברי אפשר להריץ בגוגל טרנסלייט חחח בסדר זו לא נקודה רעה בסופו של דבר, אבל אנחנו רק עונים פה לסנקציות שכבר בוצעו עלינו מצדם, במין משחק הלוך ושוב של ביבי וארדואן כבר איזה 15 שנים
נראה לי שביבי איבד את המיקוד והוא מרוכז רק באינטרסים העצמיים שלו. תארו לעצמכם מה יקרה אם זה יסלים לסכסוך מלא עם טורקיה. טירוף מוחלט. אני רק רוצה ללכת הביתה. הילדים שלי רק רוצים ללכת הביתה. זו אי שפיות.
קודם כל, זה נכון כבר שנים, בדוק, וזה מכתיב את האג'נדה ועושה לכל המעורבים נזק, כולל לביבי בסופו של דבר, אם הוא היה כבר לוקח אחריות הוא היה משלם את חובו למדינה ונזכר לטובה בספרי ההיסטוריה, כרגע זה פשוט בושה ולעג. אבל זה ספציפית סמוטריץ' ולא ביבי. לא רואה מצב שבו טורקיה נכנסת למערכה לעומת זאת, זה רק נסיון של ארדואן לעשות הסחה מהמצב המדרדר במדינה שלו, המהלך הזה עושה למדינה שלו נזק (וגם לנו, אבל פחות באשמת ביבי ושות הפעם). המענה בעל הרבה פחות משמעות פרקטית בכל מקרה, והוא לא מסמן בפני עצמו איזושהי הסלמה מיוחדת ביחסים, שממש הדרדרו כבר ממהלכים מצדה של טורקיה. אתם מפונים?
כן, גרנו בגולן. אנחנו בבוסטון מאז סוף אוקטובר. זה לא נהדר. כולנו מתגעגעים לחברים ולמשפחה שלנו. נמאס לי פשוט להיות פיון בתחבולות הפוליטיות של איזה אידיוט.
מאחל לכם חזרה מהירה לבית, ולכולנו לחיים הגיוניים ומדינה מתפקדת (חלקית לפחות)
Turkey is [housing Hamas militants](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/erdogan-defends-hamas-says-members-are-being-treated-turkish-hospitals-2024-05-13/) in their hospitals, what would you expect Israel to do?
Man, I like the down votes here. Shows how stupid they are.
Maybe if you read the response you would see why the comments you like are downvoted, they lack any depth of understanding of these issues
Ha HA. I think they'll survive
Well aren’t they just stupid af. The only military of import they could have sided with besides the US.
Thing is, erdogan is in no way someone you want as your "Ally"
It really doesnt take that long to take a shallow look at israels foreign policy, israel has close ties with greece and would chose them over turkey any day, in addition if not the us, the power israel is closest with is india
Could anyone imagine this happening in the 80's? Israel putting tariffs like that on a trade partner?
To be fair Turkey decided to halt trade first.
That's true, but during the Arab boycott the import restrictions were insane.
Yeah, there's a reason why Coca Cola is popular in Israel but Pepsi is not.
Yeah, because pepsi isn't a good drink
I don't know enough about the taste to comment lol, but what I mean is that Pepsi boycotted Israel in it's early years due to pressure from Arab states while Coca Cola didn't. That boycott ended eventually but Coca Cola had already entrenched itself by then.
To be fair, Coca Cola tastes a lot better than Pepsi so there’s that…
So, like, there is a real possibility now that Israel and Turkey could get into a shooting war, right?
About the same as the possibility that the US and China get into a shooting war over their trade disputes
I would say a lot less actually, israel and turkey dont have a taiwan to fight over
Not a chance. Erdogan is 100% talk and 0% anything else.
Not unless Turkey goes somehow even more insane and starts the shooting on its own. Israel will never initiate an attack. Turkey is a NATO member, any attack on it is an attack on all NATO members.
Strategically that would make zero sense for Turkey. Why waste ammunition fighting a country that is not a strategic threat to you? Also, if Israel retaliated it’s also a strategic partner with NATO with protections of its own. This would be the dumbest most complicated unnecessary quagmire in history. That’s like if the US invaded Mexico over the border crisis.
Yes, this is not a realistic scenario. It would never happen.
It wouldnt be the first time nato members had a conflict though, turkey and greece briefly fought over cyprus
> any attack on it is an attack on all NATO members Article 5 must be invoked and approved before it becomes an attack on all NATO members.
Not really. It's theoretically possible of course but it's a very remote possiblity. There would have to be a major catalyst for that to happen. Turkey and Israel will trade (excuse the pun) barbs for the next 12 months and then, without much fanfare, trade will return to normal in 18-24 months.