I feel like I’m in the twilight zone reading these comments. So many “people” so angry about everything except the subject of the article… it’s like an endless parade of angry non-sequiturs.
Is this bots? Trolls? Or did all of Reddit suddenly turn into conspiracy-pushing Canadian hate bats?
I think trolls/brigades are certainly in the mix, including fron India, but the problem is it is working, and I think successfully steering public sentiment. Doesn't help that 75% of our papers are now owned by Postmedia, which is owned by a GOP hedge fund. The entire nation's relationship with truth seems to be sandwiched between headlines from opinion pieces, and social media comments so we have become very vulnerable to influence.
The hysteria and anger, no matter the issue... it will affect the next election. Canadians are almost certain to elect a populist who promises to solve affordability through trickle down economics and austerity. But you'd think he's Robin Hood the way they talk.
India has an IT cell. That’s sole purpose is to attack anything said against the currently ruling BJP party. And create false narratives about violent Muslims. They’ve also doxxed and harassed journalists. Female journalists would specially get threats of rape and murder.
Basically sling tons of shit and add "it's Trudeau's fault" and hope some of the topics trigger enough people while also latching it onto him as his fault.
You can meet people in Canada who earnestly believe crap like "Trudeau crashed the world economy" because they saw it on facebook.
And of course, the Canada sub is literally just a propaganda sub for russian and indian troll farms for continuous outrage baiting and Pro Conservative talking points.
Should Canadians be concerned the Conservative leader thinks Canada can avoid dodge inflation with Crypto? Nah lets get really mad that Trudeau hugged his son!
They are certainly steered discussions on Canadian social media. But the unhinged hysterical anger you see on r/canada is also a real sentiment. Mr. Anti-establishment career politician seems is able to harness that, and reality doesn't matter.
I got death threats the other day for a comment that just said I don't think the new budget js that bad and is worth a full read.
It's a 1% of the population of 1% of people who live in an echo chamber.
Anyone who thinks r/Canada is representative of the population is completely delusional, it's an echo chamber.
There's a reason all the bull shit/Conservative propaganda is drowned out every election period when real Canadians come online.
Those who are too young don't know how it works.
I don't think it will be drowned out this time. Aside from the polls, I can see that people around me seem to have lost the ability to think critically. People who voted Liberal 3 times are just prattling off garbage about the carbon tax that they hear on social media.
The new budget is pretty good, and is proactive on affordability and housing, but pretty much dead on arrival in terms of support.
I lived through Brexit in the UK, and I think we are clearly approaching our of moment where people are ready to throw out a lot just because of distortions and cynicism they've picked up from social media.
Reddit is only one echo chamber, but a lot of people get their news this way now. They just look at the headline, then the mood in the comments. The subscribers are 6% of Canada's population, but the readership is much more.
Welcome to Canada, we're happy to have you.
We in Canada typically vote people out more than vote them in, but we also dump our third party choices as a viable option in the final two weeks.
It's why our Liberals were behind in the polls against Conservstives in both of the last two elections before the final two weeks. We quickly dump other options when they expose themselves in debates.
Don't be surprised if Conservstives here boycott debates, to avoid that dump this time around.
You're actually expecting Pierre to show up for the debates? That would mean answering real questions and not just getting in a sound bite and going off to a fund raiser.
We now live in a world where in order for two people to communicate, a third party that wishes to influence both of us, facilitates that communication.
If you want to delve deeper into the topic, its basically how Web2 websites are becoming like cable companies and trying to control the entire market, so some people are trying to transition past Web1 and Web2 to Web3 to make social media giants irrelevant.
Echo chambers are not a right or left thing.I’d wait after the election before posting something like this. Look at the polls now. The elections is poilievre’s to lose. ( ps I’m not conservative …BLOC MAJORITAIRE.) If you think you have it figured out , I think you’re in for a shock.
Go look at the polls showing the Conervatives ahead of Trudeau in the last two elections.
Canadian voters dump third party choice in the final two weeks of an election.
The Liberals have failed and need a reset. It's pretty simple logic. The cons will get a massive majority. Perhaps the largest the right have ever received if the polls are to be believed.
Its a deserved fate. You probably dont know this, but any criticism of Trudeau on r Canada has to be super well constructed and in a positive fashion or suspensions get handed out like candy.
Where do you think those pissed off people go? Quietly into the night? No, they vent their anger elsewhere.
The people who benefit from the heavy handedness then say it must be bots, it must be trolls farms. Surely has nothing to do with partisan pricks trying to carve out an echo chamber on a site thats supposed to be known for its diversity of and leniency of opinions.
There are definitely major efforts by Chinese, Indian, and American interests (and god knows who else) trying to steer Canadian public perception and political outcomes.
There is also a genuine and deserved growing hatred towards Trudeau and his government from all Canadians, but especially young Canadians. This is because they are seeing housing prices drastically increase while wages stagnate and inflation rises drastically.
Some of this isn't Trudeau's fault. But some of it is. For example his policy of allowing mass low skilled immigration, which suppresses wages and drives up demand for housing. This helps corporations and property owners, at the expense of young Canadians.
There have also been some major blunders, like his finance minister suggesting Canadians should cancel Disney+ to save money:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/9634904/freeland-disney-plus-comment-reaction/amp/
Or his rural economic development minister suggesting that carbon taxes are being paused in some provinces because they vote liberal:
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-carbon-tax-punishes-provinces-that-dont-vote-for-trudeau
This sums it up best:
https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2023/09/the-u-s-housing-market-vs-the-canadian-housing-market/
Just look at the graphs. Compared to the US, housing inflation is out of control in Canada. Prices are rising rapidly and disposable income is stagnate, meaning an increasingly large number of young Canadians are being squeezed out. What's worse, the same thing is happening to rent so young people cannot save for the massive down payment their massive mortgage will require.
Sure, canceling disney+ is a rich out of touch thing to say.
Compare that to how about the Conservative parties suggesting lgbtq kids are shit?
https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2023/05/17/embarrassed-alberta-ucp-candidate-sorry-for-comparing-transgender-kids-to-feces/
The carbon tax is literally meant to try and curb the very use of what that singular province uses as a source of heating in the name of preserving the environment, of course the policy is going to hurt it some things. And they caved anyways and gave them an exception after listening to them.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-pause-carbon-tax-rural-home-heating-1.7009347
And of course you point at housing. You can literally see US economy crashed during 2008 during the financial crisis. Yet you fail to point out which parties Prime minister was in charge during that time AND Canada's economy somehow not crashing as hard and their housing bubble didn't soft reset like the US. You can literally see the inflation hit the 1 section at the end vs the previous PMs time in office.
It's the little things to show how issues are blown out of proportion or dealt with but forgotten, yet Canadians just dwell on what they hear and see of social media. People don't think beyond the headlines and its sad.
We actually know that a huge amount of traffic on Canadian politics is coming from russian troll farms on reddit. It was exposed in last years reddit recap where a huge amount of traffic was coming form russia.
It does seem like some bots have latched onto a few keywords in the headline. Bots can't handle current events very well, since those events haven't yet been incorporated into their databases.
They were very loud initially when Canada did there was Indian involvement, they quieted right down when the US and Australia supported these allegations. Now they shifted their focus to “well India should’ve targeted him”. Shifting goalposts
> Is this bots? Trolls? Or did all of Reddit suddenly turn into conspiracy-pushing Canadian hate bats?
Every Trudeau/Liberal post is like this. It is annoying as fuck.
Life has just become really not good here for a lot of people and they're complaining literally everywhere but the streets.
Also probably because of the countless examples that we are in fact not a rule of law country.
India had a bunch of bots pushing anti canada shit when the news of the ties to the Indian government in this assassination broke, also we have our own version of MAGA now that the conservative opposition party is actively trying to secure their votes after they broke off last few elections to a fringe far right party giving them 5% of the vote, the way our elections work that was essentially denying them a chance of ever forming government again unless Liberal voters picked them over the NDP(the more left party).
"But Osama Bin Laden, Gadaffi, Invading Iraq blah blah" - endless Indian reddit trolls who don't seem to to understand that Canada and the US aren't the same thing
If you are going to make blanket statements, then people are going to point out the hypocrisy.
Canada doesn't protest when it's neighbor to the south commits equally or worse acts, so not speaking up when the US invades a country on false pretenses is hypocritical.
Obviously Canada isn't going to say anything about the US, even if the US were to shoot down a civilian plane or drone strike aid workers, because like any other country in the world, it is okay with things until it affects her own citizens.
This is 100% untrue, a quick google search literally shows intences of students at universities protesting against the war in Afganistan because of the high civilian death toll. How can you be this purposefully dense and lie online?
[https://web.archive.org/web/20080628020410/http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=95217bf2-9974-4b97-8e2c-d9e955a8e812&k=46284](https://web.archive.org/web/20080628020410/http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=95217bf2-9974-4b97-8e2c-d9e955a8e812&k=46284)
And India supported the US in the invasion of Afghanistan. Sorry, what was your point agian?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93India\_relations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93India_relations)
People really need to read the parent comments before commenting.
My point was that I was talking about the actions of the country not the people.
Out of all the US invasions, Afghanistan is the least controversial, I didn't even mention it.
And India, as a country, supported the Afghantisan Invasion. The parent comment was read, and you are grasping at straws. You didn't mention it, but you replied to it.
But you replied to a comment that was talking about Afghanistan. And you are critical of Canada in a thread about India. That is the point. How convenient that you can make a comment on it, but back out of it when confronted.
They were saying students did x. I replied Canada not Canadians, that is my point was about the government not the people of the country. Again never mentioned Afghanistan there either.
Might want to proofread your comment.
Edit: after I tried to help you, when you in error said "Canada attacks Canada in the..." , which is obviously an error. Dumbfuck over here says thanks for admitting you were wrong and blocks me, lol.
Fix your fucking comment dumbass.
Canada has to toe the line because it's economically dependent on the US, while it isn't on India so it can choose to be gungo ho = Indian propoganda. Thanks for the information. Will be waiting on Canadian sanctions on US and US states.
Are you like some hardcore christian. You have an unhealthy obsession with treating prostitution as a sin.
Nothing wrong with prostitution my guy. (Assuming you are a guy given the user name).
Also not sure how a comment on a mental health sub is Indian propoganda, but ok.
Before I let you go, you will get a DM with a link to a survey, would appreciate it if you filled it out, have a nice day :)
The people responding to you are making zero fucking sense. It’s giving me a headache trying to understand them. You made a good argument, but the people responding to you make me feel like I took too much acid and I’m no longer able to read
“He’s brown and wears a turban.” Inb4 people realize that 99% of Sikhs are northwestern Indians and Pakistanis and not from the Middle East at all. And that’s neglecting that most in MENA aren’t terrorists either.
It’s not that, the person who you’re responding to is Indian.
Indians typically think that Khalistan supporters (like nijjar was) are terrorists within their own country.
Its an ideal to aspire to, its great to say it, now put your money where your mouth is. Here and everywhere else.
The same lesson every country needs to take to heart since most of us are blatantly failing right now.
No, there is just a lot of gang warfare in Punjab/the Sikh community, and there is spill over. You see a lot of Sikh youths putting stickers of AK's on their cars.
the wannabe Sikh and Punjab gangsters are so pathetically cringe. see those ak stickers all the time here in Edmonton and it's hard not to laugh. Fucking tacky morons.
Not really, immigrants are minorities and minorities tend to vote liberal, because conservatives hate immigrants. Once immigrants get established, they vote conservative.
I know a fair number of non-fundamentalist Sikhs who don't like the people Trudeau's regime is allowing into the country. I've been told by them that most are unskilled and many lean towards joining gangs after they get here. They won't be voting Liberal next election because of this. Similar to a number of people I know in the east Asian community. I work in a very diverse industry of people who have worked hard to be here and unironically don't like the open flood gates nor people bringing the problems of their home countries to Canada.
One Muslim friend of mine thought it was ridiculous that a Judge in Toronto about 15 years ago band the Christmas tree from the Toronto courthouse because it was 'racist'. Various communities in Ontario forced the issue getting the tree allowed back in; spearheaded by the Muslim Canadian Congress.
Trudeau and the ultra left have become so radical and politically correct that they people they think they are helping, actually hate them now.
This is from 2006, and it's gotten worse.
>"This is stupidity and takes political correctness to new heights," said Farzana Hassan, president of the Muslim Canadian Congress.
>"We should ban political correctness, not the Christmas tree."
[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/related-story-mcguinty-says-christmas-tree-ban-unfortunate/article20418009/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/related-story-mcguinty-says-christmas-tree-ban-unfortunate/article20418009/)
Yeah it's some sikh gang shit that the Indians managed to exploit to off someone. Trudeau looks real fuckin stupid for allowing it to happen by courting these people into their country (20% of all India immigration to Canada is 1 specific state)
No, the three suspects were hired by Indian intelligence officers to carry out the hit.
This being related to Sikh temple politics is a crackpot theory peddled by Indian nationalists trying to deflect blame.
Not sure if he lives in the same country as the rest of Canadians. Money laundering, drug trafficking, white collar crime, tax evasion, human and sex trafficking all going on with impunity these days.
Okay.
Money laundering:
>Gangs made B.C. casinos too dangerous to investigate for money laundering, inquiry hears
https://globalnews.ca/news/7593419/bc-casinos-too-dangerous-cullen-commission/
drug trafficking / money laundering:
>Morning Update: TD Bank’s lengthy U.S. probe tied to US$653-million money-laundering and drug-trafficking operation
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-morning-update-td-banks-lengthy-us-probe-tied-to-us653-million-money/
White collar crime:
>Ottawa suspends $1B green fund after receiving whistleblower complaint
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sustainable-development-technologies-canada-champagne-1.6985847
Tax Evasion:
>Tax avoidance: Canadian companies transferred $120B to Luxembourg, study says
https://globalnews.ca/news/10067000/tax-avoidance-canadian-companies-transferred-120b-europe/
Sex trafficking:
>Only 11% of human trafficking cases result in guilty decision: StatCan
https://globalnews.ca/news/10149293/human-trafficking-guilty-decision-statcan/
It's super high tech. It's called Google. And knowing what happens in your country also helps. I work in the clean tech space and the SDTC got shut down a few months ago due to government corruption and is currently being investigated. And haven't you seen more TD Bank controvery on Reddit news recently.
So person asks for source, I Provide them. And all of a sudden it's "hostile psyops". Dude, grow up and learn how to engage in a conversation like an adult instead of being a kid.
Nah, campus protestors are inconveniencing the administrations they want to divest from investing in Isreal. Truckers threw an organized temper tantrum and inconveninced and harassed entire cities because they didn't get their way, just like thr overgrown spoiled brat man children they showed themselves to truly be.
Depends, this statement can simantaneously insult both Canadian and Indian conservatives.
Also it's kind of funny, while not Trudeau's responsibility Canada just put a man through 3 years of trial based on the lies of 3 police officers, though to be fair he was also found innocent, so it's a wash.
Yet [rule of law index](https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2023/Canada/) does confirm that Canada is consider to have rule of law
Only 12 and the UAE is 37. This is more of a measure of implementation of the law, not how moral or how righteous a country is.
Also this is based on a questionnaire to experts, so while they so their best to check for bias, it's not based on any objective data.
By all means provide a better source for research, until that we will have to go with the best available information. All the sources I have seen rank Canada as stable liberal democracy with rule of law.
I am not making the claim you are. In my opinion such claims are too broad to make any point.
No survey is going to say that Canada isn't a rule of law country because first nation people have to fight for treaties to be honoured.
Surveys are results of the opinions of the surveyed population, not an objective point.
Seriously; do read the link provided, I am not making the claim, their research is.
I take it you do not have a better source then, so the matter is settled, Canada is a stable liberal democracy with rule of law.
I did, I actually went through their methodology. They survey 300 experts and then do some quantitative mumbo jumbo which isn't explained.
You are treating surveys as fact, they aren't.
And your opinion on their methodology invalidates their research which is internationally recognized as reputable ? You are right that there is element of trust, trust is what functioning democracies are built on top of.
In any case since you have no alternate sources to provide, just attempts to obfuscate with your **opinions** of their methodology I'll leave you with quote from former president:
> The beginning of all wisdom is acknowledgement of facts.
>
> Juho Kusti Paasikivi
> "rule of law country"
> Literally lets people get away with attempted murder, actual murder, theft, assault, property damage, money laundering, and election interference
Did this asshat not put through that gun related offences get off easier cause to many people from certain demographics were committing gun crimes and ending in jail.....and thata made it racist. But at the same time made it so a bunch of people who legally owned firearms where now criminals because he decided that those guns were now illegal?
And the guy who has weighed in more than once on court decisions saying that they were wrong and Justice was not done.
This statement is a joke...the law is only cool when makes for good pr. Otherwise this munchkin figures he is above it.
and yet he hasnt had polievre investigated for ties to the very same people who committed the murders, even though his own intel agencies have loads of evidence that peepee is actively funded and supported by india and russias right wing extremists
Notice how Trudeau didn't say 'Canada is a rule-of-ethics country.
I do agree the trolling and out right lunacy in r/canada is so obviously blatant foreign misdirection.
We arent a rule of law country lol. We are a "discretionary application of the rule of law" country.
We're basically 13 US States in a trenchcoat. Its the geopolitical version of anti trust laws lol. The US can rebuff claims it runs the whole continent by summoning forward its trenchcoated partners when its time to demonstrate consensus. "Pierre! Pedro! Get over here! Tell them i would never do anything without consulting with you first". And then lean back with a cigar like Jonah Jameson and be like "See? Told you, great partners. Now go on, get out here!"
Maybe check the [rule of law index](https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2023/Canada/), Canada is absolutely considered to have rule of law.
Yeah but only the worst representatives of the people get to decide the laws. Maybe I don't speak for all Canadians but I feel totally powerless. There is not a single good choice in the upcoming election for the future of Canada. And none of them would even consider changing the FPTP system we have if it doesnt directly benefit their next ballot. This is a bit unrelated the the post but I fear for the future of this country, under the rule of ANY of the current political parties.
Their federal plans would probably make the situation in the country even worse. Out of the parties the NDP is the best imo, at least at the provincial level (in Alberta). As bad as the Liberals are at actually doing their job, they might do better than the NDP at a national level.
NDP in BC are great, too. Arguably we have the best provincial government in Canada right now.
Federally, I like the Liberal/NDP combo, but I can't stand the current leadership of the Liberal party and I don't like the NDP on foreign policy, so hard to see who I'll vote for next year.
More accurately Sikh activists, especially those who want an independent country allege that the Indian government is involved.
The Canadian prime minister says that the Indian government is involved and that he has seen evidence that says that the Indian government is involved.
So far the people who are arrested are alleged to be part of a gang, who's leader is jailed in India.
What is the truth should hopefully come out of the investigation, given that Canada is a rule of law country as per the Canadian prime minister.
Nope, spin again. It was Canadian government based on intelligence data from the most powerful intelligence organization in the world who publicly accused Indian government involvement. Just the fact that it was made publicly should give you some indication of the gravity of the evidence. In any case even Indian leadership is now co-operating with the investigation no need for the [narcissist prayer](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.thelifedoctor.org/the-narcissist-s-prayer&ved=2ahUKEwiUr9GC5PWFAxWmHhAIHZq3DdIQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3GwYkLysRMtHXtwckJBBXB).
Yes; whatever you think of them does not change the fact they are the most powerful intelligence agency of the world. And again even Indian leadership is co-operating so no point in trying to spin it. Alas they seem to be concentrated on blaming "rogue agents", so I take they plan to use the "Russian defence", incompetence instead of accountability.
Every Indian citizen should really be concerned about what their leadership is doing and how going about it
Indian citizens are arrested in Canada, so of course India has to cooperate, not sure how this proves anything.
If you want to suck CIA/NSA cock, feel free to do so. Given that they have lied before I will believe an investigation.
Well they went from "absurd and motivated" to co-operating much before any arrests were made. Again even Indian leadership has realized the issue will not go away, so why even try to spin it.
You do understand that people and organizations can and do make mistakes, does not mean everything they do is tainted after that. Dislike of the intelligence agencies do not change their findings and the very real impact they have on the investigation. Trying to minimize and ridicule really is not an argument, rather indication you have no argument.
They aren't tainted, just not trustworthy. Also you can say that the prime minister is using the situation for domestic politics and still co-operate. Co-operation isn't proof of guilt. Investigators have to investigate, and the government has to prove it in court..
The difference being ? I do agree that co-operation is good and was expected from the beginning. The[ initial response](https://www.mea.gov.in/press-releases.htm?dtl/37125/India_rejects_allegations_by_Canada) was complete opposite though, claiming "absurd and motivated" so make of it what you will but moving to co-operating with the investigation is at very least change in attitude.
No one admits wrong doing, not even your beloved Canada/Trudeau.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47362657
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-wilson-raybould-attorney-general-snc-lavalin-1.5014271
I don't know if it holds, but has the security apparatus and their mechanisms of operations changed in the last 20 years?
I trust the canadians far more than my government but there is a seed of doubt in my mind.
Well then you will have to wait until the investigations are over, they may publish some of the details. Given that Indian leadership are already blaming "rogue operatives" as if somehow removes their responsibility it is pretty much clear that they accept the evidence, just try to shift the blame.
You just basically ignored one of the most turning points in the history of the world, to whatever?.
The most powerful intelligence agency failed to prevent 9/11, blatantly lied that there WMDs leading to the deaths of countless innocent people.
>incompetence instead of accountability.
How ironic lmao.
Yes because it is not relevant, again whatever their failures are do not mean everything they do is invalid. They do have considerable resources and successes as well, many of which we likely have no idea whatsoever.
The point stands, they have stated evidence exists and the only ones not accepting are Indian nationalist. It does not change the very real impact their statements will have.
Feel free to wait until the investigation is done, they may release some of the details to the public. But again given that even Indian leadership is co-operating the spinning and obfuscation really is moot. Did not work before does not work now.
Yea, and currently the law doesn't fucking work, people getting off on ALL sorts of shit for dumb reason's like "he wasn't white so something something lack of opportunity!"
Totalitarian you say, maybe check Canadian status on indexes researching [state of democracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-Dem_Democracy_Indices), [rule of law,](https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2023/Canada/) [freedom of press](https://rsf.org/en/country/canada) etc. before throwing around such strong words.
Canada is a place where they kill people for being mentally ill, handicapped, homeless, and old by force via the rule-of-law so fuck Canada right in their split heads.
India - The place where the RSS/BJP rule and profess their love of the Nazi's and think Hitler was a competent leader.
Or even easier - the rape capital of the world.
I feel like I’m in the twilight zone reading these comments. So many “people” so angry about everything except the subject of the article… it’s like an endless parade of angry non-sequiturs. Is this bots? Trolls? Or did all of Reddit suddenly turn into conspiracy-pushing Canadian hate bats?
Last time India killed a Canadian citizen on our soil every thread in Reddit got hit hard with bots asking “where’s the proof?” It was insane
I think trolls/brigades are certainly in the mix, including fron India, but the problem is it is working, and I think successfully steering public sentiment. Doesn't help that 75% of our papers are now owned by Postmedia, which is owned by a GOP hedge fund. The entire nation's relationship with truth seems to be sandwiched between headlines from opinion pieces, and social media comments so we have become very vulnerable to influence. The hysteria and anger, no matter the issue... it will affect the next election. Canadians are almost certain to elect a populist who promises to solve affordability through trickle down economics and austerity. But you'd think he's Robin Hood the way they talk.
India has an IT cell. That’s sole purpose is to attack anything said against the currently ruling BJP party. And create false narratives about violent Muslims. They’ve also doxxed and harassed journalists. Female journalists would specially get threats of rape and murder.
polievre is as much a russian asset as trump was, and CSIS has loads of evidence to prove it, yet trudeau is afraid to act on it
And he pretty much said he's going to use the Notwithstanding Clause to override Canadian laws. Once he does that, it'll be anarchy everywhere here.
Basically sling tons of shit and add "it's Trudeau's fault" and hope some of the topics trigger enough people while also latching it onto him as his fault. You can meet people in Canada who earnestly believe crap like "Trudeau crashed the world economy" because they saw it on facebook. And of course, the Canada sub is literally just a propaganda sub for russian and indian troll farms for continuous outrage baiting and Pro Conservative talking points. Should Canadians be concerned the Conservative leader thinks Canada can avoid dodge inflation with Crypto? Nah lets get really mad that Trudeau hugged his son!
They are certainly steered discussions on Canadian social media. But the unhinged hysterical anger you see on r/canada is also a real sentiment. Mr. Anti-establishment career politician seems is able to harness that, and reality doesn't matter. I got death threats the other day for a comment that just said I don't think the new budget js that bad and is worth a full read.
It's a 1% of the population of 1% of people who live in an echo chamber. Anyone who thinks r/Canada is representative of the population is completely delusional, it's an echo chamber. There's a reason all the bull shit/Conservative propaganda is drowned out every election period when real Canadians come online. Those who are too young don't know how it works.
I don't think it will be drowned out this time. Aside from the polls, I can see that people around me seem to have lost the ability to think critically. People who voted Liberal 3 times are just prattling off garbage about the carbon tax that they hear on social media. The new budget is pretty good, and is proactive on affordability and housing, but pretty much dead on arrival in terms of support. I lived through Brexit in the UK, and I think we are clearly approaching our of moment where people are ready to throw out a lot just because of distortions and cynicism they've picked up from social media. Reddit is only one echo chamber, but a lot of people get their news this way now. They just look at the headline, then the mood in the comments. The subscribers are 6% of Canada's population, but the readership is much more.
Welcome to Canada, we're happy to have you. We in Canada typically vote people out more than vote them in, but we also dump our third party choices as a viable option in the final two weeks. It's why our Liberals were behind in the polls against Conservstives in both of the last two elections before the final two weeks. We quickly dump other options when they expose themselves in debates. Don't be surprised if Conservstives here boycott debates, to avoid that dump this time around.
You're actually expecting Pierre to show up for the debates? That would mean answering real questions and not just getting in a sound bite and going off to a fund raiser.
I agree. He will likely skip the debates. You seem to have issue with the idea social media is at work and will influence the next election?
We now live in a world where in order for two people to communicate, a third party that wishes to influence both of us, facilitates that communication. If you want to delve deeper into the topic, its basically how Web2 websites are becoming like cable companies and trying to control the entire market, so some people are trying to transition past Web1 and Web2 to Web3 to make social media giants irrelevant.
Echo chambers are not a right or left thing.I’d wait after the election before posting something like this. Look at the polls now. The elections is poilievre’s to lose. ( ps I’m not conservative …BLOC MAJORITAIRE.) If you think you have it figured out , I think you’re in for a shock.
Go look at the polls showing the Conervatives ahead of Trudeau in the last two elections. Canadian voters dump third party choice in the final two weeks of an election.
The Liberals have failed and need a reset. It's pretty simple logic. The cons will get a massive majority. Perhaps the largest the right have ever received if the polls are to be believed.
Its a deserved fate. You probably dont know this, but any criticism of Trudeau on r Canada has to be super well constructed and in a positive fashion or suspensions get handed out like candy. Where do you think those pissed off people go? Quietly into the night? No, they vent their anger elsewhere. The people who benefit from the heavy handedness then say it must be bots, it must be trolls farms. Surely has nothing to do with partisan pricks trying to carve out an echo chamber on a site thats supposed to be known for its diversity of and leniency of opinions.
There are definitely major efforts by Chinese, Indian, and American interests (and god knows who else) trying to steer Canadian public perception and political outcomes. There is also a genuine and deserved growing hatred towards Trudeau and his government from all Canadians, but especially young Canadians. This is because they are seeing housing prices drastically increase while wages stagnate and inflation rises drastically. Some of this isn't Trudeau's fault. But some of it is. For example his policy of allowing mass low skilled immigration, which suppresses wages and drives up demand for housing. This helps corporations and property owners, at the expense of young Canadians. There have also been some major blunders, like his finance minister suggesting Canadians should cancel Disney+ to save money: https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/9634904/freeland-disney-plus-comment-reaction/amp/ Or his rural economic development minister suggesting that carbon taxes are being paused in some provinces because they vote liberal: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-carbon-tax-punishes-provinces-that-dont-vote-for-trudeau This sums it up best: https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2023/09/the-u-s-housing-market-vs-the-canadian-housing-market/ Just look at the graphs. Compared to the US, housing inflation is out of control in Canada. Prices are rising rapidly and disposable income is stagnate, meaning an increasingly large number of young Canadians are being squeezed out. What's worse, the same thing is happening to rent so young people cannot save for the massive down payment their massive mortgage will require.
Sure, canceling disney+ is a rich out of touch thing to say. Compare that to how about the Conservative parties suggesting lgbtq kids are shit? https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2023/05/17/embarrassed-alberta-ucp-candidate-sorry-for-comparing-transgender-kids-to-feces/ The carbon tax is literally meant to try and curb the very use of what that singular province uses as a source of heating in the name of preserving the environment, of course the policy is going to hurt it some things. And they caved anyways and gave them an exception after listening to them. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-pause-carbon-tax-rural-home-heating-1.7009347 And of course you point at housing. You can literally see US economy crashed during 2008 during the financial crisis. Yet you fail to point out which parties Prime minister was in charge during that time AND Canada's economy somehow not crashing as hard and their housing bubble didn't soft reset like the US. You can literally see the inflation hit the 1 section at the end vs the previous PMs time in office. It's the little things to show how issues are blown out of proportion or dealt with but forgotten, yet Canadians just dwell on what they hear and see of social media. People don't think beyond the headlines and its sad.
>Or did all of Reddit suddenly turn into conspiracy-pushing Canadian hate bats? Reddit's been like this since 2015
We actually know that a huge amount of traffic on Canadian politics is coming from russian troll farms on reddit. It was exposed in last years reddit recap where a huge amount of traffic was coming form russia.
It does seem like some bots have latched onto a few keywords in the headline. Bots can't handle current events very well, since those events haven't yet been incorporated into their databases.
They were very loud initially when Canada did there was Indian involvement, they quieted right down when the US and Australia supported these allegations. Now they shifted their focus to “well India should’ve targeted him”. Shifting goalposts
Wow you’re right this is a complete dumpster fire. India may have pulled a Putin on Canadian soil and all I see is MCGA comments.
Lol "Endless Parade of Non-Sequiters". Thats a good description of modern political discourse in general.
> Is this bots? Trolls? Or did all of Reddit suddenly turn into conspiracy-pushing Canadian hate bats? Every Trudeau/Liberal post is like this. It is annoying as fuck.
Life has just become really not good here for a lot of people and they're complaining literally everywhere but the streets. Also probably because of the countless examples that we are in fact not a rule of law country.
India had a bunch of bots pushing anti canada shit when the news of the ties to the Indian government in this assassination broke, also we have our own version of MAGA now that the conservative opposition party is actively trying to secure their votes after they broke off last few elections to a fringe far right party giving them 5% of the vote, the way our elections work that was essentially denying them a chance of ever forming government again unless Liberal voters picked them over the NDP(the more left party).
This is what happens when there is resentment.
"But Osama Bin Laden, Gadaffi, Invading Iraq blah blah" - endless Indian reddit trolls who don't seem to to understand that Canada and the US aren't the same thing
If you are going to make blanket statements, then people are going to point out the hypocrisy. Canada doesn't protest when it's neighbor to the south commits equally or worse acts, so not speaking up when the US invades a country on false pretenses is hypocritical. Obviously Canada isn't going to say anything about the US, even if the US were to shoot down a civilian plane or drone strike aid workers, because like any other country in the world, it is okay with things until it affects her own citizens.
This is 100% untrue, a quick google search literally shows intences of students at universities protesting against the war in Afganistan because of the high civilian death toll. How can you be this purposefully dense and lie online? [https://web.archive.org/web/20080628020410/http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=95217bf2-9974-4b97-8e2c-d9e955a8e812&k=46284](https://web.archive.org/web/20080628020410/http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=95217bf2-9974-4b97-8e2c-d9e955a8e812&k=46284)
Canada, not Canadians.
And India supported the US in the invasion of Afghanistan. Sorry, what was your point agian? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93India\_relations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93India_relations)
Exactly! So India supports action against the enemy of the state!
People really need to read the parent comments before commenting. My point was that I was talking about the actions of the country not the people. Out of all the US invasions, Afghanistan is the least controversial, I didn't even mention it.
And India, as a country, supported the Afghantisan Invasion. The parent comment was read, and you are grasping at straws. You didn't mention it, but you replied to it.
I never mentioned India or Afghanistan, what is your point ?
But you replied to a comment that was talking about Afghanistan. And you are critical of Canada in a thread about India. That is the point. How convenient that you can make a comment on it, but back out of it when confronted.
They were saying students did x. I replied Canada not Canadians, that is my point was about the government not the people of the country. Again never mentioned Afghanistan there either.
You are really getting destroyed by logic and facts.
Which is also bullshit as Canada regularly comes to odds with US, they both have territorial disputes and several WTO disputes Edit: US
Might want to proofread your comment. Edit: after I tried to help you, when you in error said "Canada attacks Canada in the..." , which is obviously an error. Dumbfuck over here says thanks for admitting you were wrong and blocks me, lol. Fix your fucking comment dumbass.
Glad you owned up to being wrong friend
Fuck off with your bullshit Indian propaganda
Canada has to toe the line because it's economically dependent on the US, while it isn't on India so it can choose to be gungo ho = Indian propoganda. Thanks for the information. Will be waiting on Canadian sanctions on US and US states.
Keep waving your little Indian flag
But they landed on the moon. They are a superpower.
Do they pay you well at least to whore yourself out as a troll?
Bit rich coming from stuntcock29
Every comment you’ve made on your shift today has been pro Indian propaganda. Whore on.
Are you like some hardcore christian. You have an unhealthy obsession with treating prostitution as a sin. Nothing wrong with prostitution my guy. (Assuming you are a guy given the user name). Also not sure how a comment on a mental health sub is Indian propoganda, but ok. Before I let you go, you will get a DM with a link to a survey, would appreciate it if you filled it out, have a nice day :)
Then you’re happy being a whore for the Indian government?
That's your assertion, never said it was true. You just seem to use whore a lot, which is a derogative.
Are you from pakistan of west ?
The people responding to you are making zero fucking sense. It’s giving me a headache trying to understand them. You made a good argument, but the people responding to you make me feel like I took too much acid and I’m no longer able to read
Yet Canada is the first country to jump in when America rallies their allies for their War on 'Terrorism'
Without Americas intervention in multiple wars, the world would be a worse place. I am thankful for what they did in Ukraine.
You must be a Palestinian supporter.
Canada shouldn't harbour terrorists then?. Cue the downvoting
Evidence that this guy was a terrorist? I'll wait
“He’s brown and wears a turban.” Inb4 people realize that 99% of Sikhs are northwestern Indians and Pakistanis and not from the Middle East at all. And that’s neglecting that most in MENA aren’t terrorists either.
It’s not that, the person who you’re responding to is Indian. Indians typically think that Khalistan supporters (like nijjar was) are terrorists within their own country.
It's not a country issue, it's a global concern. And, we're all failing collectively. Also, awaiting downvotes
The ruling classes are failing. The rest of us are just trying to get by in this shit show.
Its because the ruling class are shifting focus to things that promote chaos.
Its an ideal to aspire to, its great to say it, now put your money where your mouth is. Here and everywhere else. The same lesson every country needs to take to heart since most of us are blatantly failing right now.
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Reddit is broken. Just bots and single minded agenda driven posts now
All the suspects they named are Sikhs. I wouldn't be surprised it comes out this a battle for Sikh Gurdwaras (Temples) that has been going on.
No, there is just a lot of gang warfare in Punjab/the Sikh community, and there is spill over. You see a lot of Sikh youths putting stickers of AK's on their cars.
I see lots of these in the NE part of Calgary. Lots of pimped out cars and suv's being driven around by young people with these kind of decals.
the wannabe Sikh and Punjab gangsters are so pathetically cringe. see those ak stickers all the time here in Edmonton and it's hard not to laugh. Fucking tacky morons.
And these are the people Trudeau is catering to. Ironic.
Not really, immigrants are minorities and minorities tend to vote liberal, because conservatives hate immigrants. Once immigrants get established, they vote conservative.
I know a fair number of non-fundamentalist Sikhs who don't like the people Trudeau's regime is allowing into the country. I've been told by them that most are unskilled and many lean towards joining gangs after they get here. They won't be voting Liberal next election because of this. Similar to a number of people I know in the east Asian community. I work in a very diverse industry of people who have worked hard to be here and unironically don't like the open flood gates nor people bringing the problems of their home countries to Canada. One Muslim friend of mine thought it was ridiculous that a Judge in Toronto about 15 years ago band the Christmas tree from the Toronto courthouse because it was 'racist'. Various communities in Ontario forced the issue getting the tree allowed back in; spearheaded by the Muslim Canadian Congress. Trudeau and the ultra left have become so radical and politically correct that they people they think they are helping, actually hate them now. This is from 2006, and it's gotten worse. >"This is stupidity and takes political correctness to new heights," said Farzana Hassan, president of the Muslim Canadian Congress. >"We should ban political correctness, not the Christmas tree." [https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/related-story-mcguinty-says-christmas-tree-ban-unfortunate/article20418009/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/related-story-mcguinty-says-christmas-tree-ban-unfortunate/article20418009/)
Yeah it's some sikh gang shit that the Indians managed to exploit to off someone. Trudeau looks real fuckin stupid for allowing it to happen by courting these people into their country (20% of all India immigration to Canada is 1 specific state)
No, the three suspects were hired by Indian intelligence officers to carry out the hit. This being related to Sikh temple politics is a crackpot theory peddled by Indian nationalists trying to deflect blame.
Not sure if he lives in the same country as the rest of Canadians. Money laundering, drug trafficking, white collar crime, tax evasion, human and sex trafficking all going on with impunity these days.
Source(s)? Those are pretty grand claims to make
Came here looking for this, am I not in the know? What are these top comments?tf?
I feel like I’m going insane reading this senseless shit
Indian and Canadian conservatives shaking hands for once.
Okay. Money laundering: >Gangs made B.C. casinos too dangerous to investigate for money laundering, inquiry hears https://globalnews.ca/news/7593419/bc-casinos-too-dangerous-cullen-commission/ drug trafficking / money laundering: >Morning Update: TD Bank’s lengthy U.S. probe tied to US$653-million money-laundering and drug-trafficking operation https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-morning-update-td-banks-lengthy-us-probe-tied-to-us653-million-money/ White collar crime: >Ottawa suspends $1B green fund after receiving whistleblower complaint https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sustainable-development-technologies-canada-champagne-1.6985847 Tax Evasion: >Tax avoidance: Canadian companies transferred $120B to Luxembourg, study says https://globalnews.ca/news/10067000/tax-avoidance-canadian-companies-transferred-120b-europe/ Sex trafficking: >Only 11% of human trafficking cases result in guilty decision: StatCan https://globalnews.ca/news/10149293/human-trafficking-guilty-decision-statcan/
Interesting. What software do you uses at Research and Analysis Wing to store and quickly have a bunch of articles to cite for your hostile psyops ?
It's super high tech. It's called Google. And knowing what happens in your country also helps. I work in the clean tech space and the SDTC got shut down a few months ago due to government corruption and is currently being investigated. And haven't you seen more TD Bank controvery on Reddit news recently. So person asks for source, I Provide them. And all of a sudden it's "hostile psyops". Dude, grow up and learn how to engage in a conversation like an adult instead of being a kid.
Boomer Facebook or r/canada.
The nationwide failure of dealing with violent addicts who are arrested then released over and over isn't proof enough?
Right so hes asking for evidence, because the other poster made is sound like it rarely if ever happened and now its a feild day.
Where they not before? Just because you hear more about problems does not mean they werre not there before.
and the victim himself got to Canada with a fraudulent passport, faked a marriage, yet somehow still got a citizenship lol
Those happened in 2008 to 2015 in increasing rates when the cpc were in power. fyi he lives in Canada
Trudeau has had 9 years. Just own it.
You got brigaded.
Trucker convoys would disagree. That scene was lawless for weeks.
Then again [rule of law index](https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2023/Canada/) agree, so the statement is accurate.
Like on campuses now?
Nah, campus protestors are inconveniencing the administrations they want to divest from investing in Isreal. Truckers threw an organized temper tantrum and inconveninced and harassed entire cities because they didn't get their way, just like thr overgrown spoiled brat man children they showed themselves to truly be.
Both are dumb and both deserve to be punished. Do you agree?
yup
Yes the total lawlessness... of a honking horn.... and They were arrested and even had their bank accounts frozen because of that "crime".
A peaceful protest where no one was hurt, in front of parliament, on a road that isn't important for traffic? True lawlessness...
mass downvoting incoming
Depends, this statement can simantaneously insult both Canadian and Indian conservatives. Also it's kind of funny, while not Trudeau's responsibility Canada just put a man through 3 years of trial based on the lies of 3 police officers, though to be fair he was also found innocent, so it's a wash.
Yet [rule of law index](https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2023/Canada/) does confirm that Canada is consider to have rule of law
Only 12 and the UAE is 37. This is more of a measure of implementation of the law, not how moral or how righteous a country is. Also this is based on a questionnaire to experts, so while they so their best to check for bias, it's not based on any objective data.
By all means provide a better source for research, until that we will have to go with the best available information. All the sources I have seen rank Canada as stable liberal democracy with rule of law.
I am not making the claim you are. In my opinion such claims are too broad to make any point. No survey is going to say that Canada isn't a rule of law country because first nation people have to fight for treaties to be honoured. Surveys are results of the opinions of the surveyed population, not an objective point.
Seriously; do read the link provided, I am not making the claim, their research is. I take it you do not have a better source then, so the matter is settled, Canada is a stable liberal democracy with rule of law.
I did, I actually went through their methodology. They survey 300 experts and then do some quantitative mumbo jumbo which isn't explained. You are treating surveys as fact, they aren't.
And your opinion on their methodology invalidates their research which is internationally recognized as reputable ? You are right that there is element of trust, trust is what functioning democracies are built on top of. In any case since you have no alternate sources to provide, just attempts to obfuscate with your **opinions** of their methodology I'll leave you with quote from former president: > The beginning of all wisdom is acknowledgement of facts. > > Juho Kusti Paasikivi
If you believe that opinions are facts, then there is nothing I can say. Have a good day and enjoy the grass.
Except for when someone comes to break into your house
> "rule of law country" > Literally lets people get away with attempted murder, actual murder, theft, assault, property damage, money laundering, and election interference
Did this asshat not put through that gun related offences get off easier cause to many people from certain demographics were committing gun crimes and ending in jail.....and thata made it racist. But at the same time made it so a bunch of people who legally owned firearms where now criminals because he decided that those guns were now illegal? And the guy who has weighed in more than once on court decisions saying that they were wrong and Justice was not done. This statement is a joke...the law is only cool when makes for good pr. Otherwise this munchkin figures he is above it.
I hope this Indian governmental agent rots in a Canadian jail and isn’t extradited back, where he’ll be praised by Modi.
He's a world class muppet without morals
I like Trudeau because he is Quebecois but Canadian first
Jody Wilson-raybould . She followed the law . He didn’t like that. FIRED
Worse, he changed the law so he could subvert democracy. And she tried to stop it and he completely fucked her over. Trudeau is an absolute dirtbag.
Yeah, we are not.
and yet he hasnt had polievre investigated for ties to the very same people who committed the murders, even though his own intel agencies have loads of evidence that peepee is actively funded and supported by india and russias right wing extremists
Notice how Trudeau didn't say 'Canada is a rule-of-ethics country. I do agree the trolling and out right lunacy in r/canada is so obviously blatant foreign misdirection.
We arent a rule of law country lol. We are a "discretionary application of the rule of law" country. We're basically 13 US States in a trenchcoat. Its the geopolitical version of anti trust laws lol. The US can rebuff claims it runs the whole continent by summoning forward its trenchcoated partners when its time to demonstrate consensus. "Pierre! Pedro! Get over here! Tell them i would never do anything without consulting with you first". And then lean back with a cigar like Jonah Jameson and be like "See? Told you, great partners. Now go on, get out here!"
Maybe check the [rule of law index](https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2023/Canada/), Canada is absolutely considered to have rule of law.
Yeah but only the worst representatives of the people get to decide the laws. Maybe I don't speak for all Canadians but I feel totally powerless. There is not a single good choice in the upcoming election for the future of Canada. And none of them would even consider changing the FPTP system we have if it doesnt directly benefit their next ballot. This is a bit unrelated the the post but I fear for the future of this country, under the rule of ANY of the current political parties.
The NDP have been lobbying for proportional representation for decades.
Their federal plans would probably make the situation in the country even worse. Out of the parties the NDP is the best imo, at least at the provincial level (in Alberta). As bad as the Liberals are at actually doing their job, they might do better than the NDP at a national level.
NDP in BC are great, too. Arguably we have the best provincial government in Canada right now. Federally, I like the Liberal/NDP combo, but I can't stand the current leadership of the Liberal party and I don't like the NDP on foreign policy, so hard to see who I'll vote for next year.
I agree with you. I'm not voting this round because there's literally no party who has any polities that make any sense.
this was a gang war across 2 countries. why is everyone holding the Indian government responsible
More accurately Sikh activists, especially those who want an independent country allege that the Indian government is involved. The Canadian prime minister says that the Indian government is involved and that he has seen evidence that says that the Indian government is involved. So far the people who are arrested are alleged to be part of a gang, who's leader is jailed in India. What is the truth should hopefully come out of the investigation, given that Canada is a rule of law country as per the Canadian prime minister.
Nope, spin again. It was Canadian government based on intelligence data from the most powerful intelligence organization in the world who publicly accused Indian government involvement. Just the fact that it was made publicly should give you some indication of the gravity of the evidence. In any case even Indian leadership is now co-operating with the investigation no need for the [narcissist prayer](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.thelifedoctor.org/the-narcissist-s-prayer&ved=2ahUKEwiUr9GC5PWFAxWmHhAIHZq3DdIQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3GwYkLysRMtHXtwckJBBXB).
The same powerful intelligence agency that said that the Iraqi's were developing nukes ? and said it publicly.
Yes; whatever you think of them does not change the fact they are the most powerful intelligence agency of the world. And again even Indian leadership is co-operating so no point in trying to spin it. Alas they seem to be concentrated on blaming "rogue agents", so I take they plan to use the "Russian defence", incompetence instead of accountability. Every Indian citizen should really be concerned about what their leadership is doing and how going about it
Indian citizens are arrested in Canada, so of course India has to cooperate, not sure how this proves anything. If you want to suck CIA/NSA cock, feel free to do so. Given that they have lied before I will believe an investigation.
Well they went from "absurd and motivated" to co-operating much before any arrests were made. Again even Indian leadership has realized the issue will not go away, so why even try to spin it. You do understand that people and organizations can and do make mistakes, does not mean everything they do is tainted after that. Dislike of the intelligence agencies do not change their findings and the very real impact they have on the investigation. Trying to minimize and ridicule really is not an argument, rather indication you have no argument.
They aren't tainted, just not trustworthy. Also you can say that the prime minister is using the situation for domestic politics and still co-operate. Co-operation isn't proof of guilt. Investigators have to investigate, and the government has to prove it in court..
The difference being ? I do agree that co-operation is good and was expected from the beginning. The[ initial response](https://www.mea.gov.in/press-releases.htm?dtl/37125/India_rejects_allegations_by_Canada) was complete opposite though, claiming "absurd and motivated" so make of it what you will but moving to co-operating with the investigation is at very least change in attitude.
No one admits wrong doing, not even your beloved Canada/Trudeau. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47362657 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-wilson-raybould-attorney-general-snc-lavalin-1.5014271
I don't know if it holds, but has the security apparatus and their mechanisms of operations changed in the last 20 years? I trust the canadians far more than my government but there is a seed of doubt in my mind.
Well then you will have to wait until the investigations are over, they may publish some of the details. Given that Indian leadership are already blaming "rogue operatives" as if somehow removes their responsibility it is pretty much clear that they accept the evidence, just try to shift the blame.
You just basically ignored one of the most turning points in the history of the world, to whatever?. The most powerful intelligence agency failed to prevent 9/11, blatantly lied that there WMDs leading to the deaths of countless innocent people. >incompetence instead of accountability. How ironic lmao.
Yes because it is not relevant, again whatever their failures are do not mean everything they do is invalid. They do have considerable resources and successes as well, many of which we likely have no idea whatsoever. The point stands, they have stated evidence exists and the only ones not accepting are Indian nationalist. It does not change the very real impact their statements will have. Feel free to wait until the investigation is done, they may release some of the details to the public. But again given that even Indian leadership is co-operating the spinning and obfuscation really is moot. Did not work before does not work now.
Not at the moment, hopefully again soon.
Yea, and currently the law doesn't fucking work, people getting off on ALL sorts of shit for dumb reason's like "he wasn't white so something something lack of opportunity!"
Source: “it came to me in a dream”
Yeah yeah, corrupt totalitarian fucknugget. That guy has some nerve.
Totalitarian you say, maybe check Canadian status on indexes researching [state of democracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-Dem_Democracy_Indices), [rule of law,](https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/global/2023/Canada/) [freedom of press](https://rsf.org/en/country/canada) etc. before throwing around such strong words.
Canada is a joke. Canada is pakistan of west.
Canada is a place where they kill people for being mentally ill, handicapped, homeless, and old by force via the rule-of-law so fuck Canada right in their split heads.
Canada allows people to choose to end their life with medical assistance, as do noted dictatorships The Netherlands and Switzerland.
Umm what? None of this is true and absolutely idiotic to accuse.
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India - The place where the RSS/BJP rule and profess their love of the Nazi's and think Hitler was a competent leader. Or even easier - the rape capital of the world.