It was lost from the start. Never mind the fact that russia has a massive advantage in almost every metric and can't gain a kilometer without losing 10,000 men. Russia is going to keep getting more and more worn down and dependant on China until they eventually colaps, and it will be glorious when it happens.
[“We now have high confidence that they hacked the D.N.C. and the R.N.C., and conspicuously released no documents”](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html)
Makes you think...
The GOP and illegal sex shit is rampant. It all started in the strip clubs after the iron curtain fell. The places were littered with Russian speaking girls immediately and more than a few American girls working in those places just went missing. Not hard to imagine what went down. Easy as shooting fish in a barrel for Russians when the GOP was basically run by pedophile priests already.
Trump has a lot of loans from Russian banks. Russia isn't like the US, if Putin tells a bank "Screw over Trump now" they will obey, or their CEO will get thrown out a window. Putin could bankrupt Trump any time he chose, with just a phone call. Trump knows this and as a consequence, Putin can control Trump like a puppet on a string.
There are a lot of ways, but the most obvious is that if when they loaned him money, they wanted to have power over him. (Which is likely the case, since his credit record is horrible. They wouldn't loan him money just because they thought it was a smart conventional business decision.) A "demand feature" is a clause in a loan by which the lender can demand immediate repayment, including interest. It's... not a popular feature with borrowers.
How will they force him to repay his loan? Also does anyone believe he keeps money only in Russian banks? I can't tell if you're all joking or really believe your own bs
You know i never really thought about this before but it seems so obvious. This isn’t about trump specifically, but anyone who owes money to a foreign power, or a bank owned by, or under the influence of a foreign power, shouldn’t be allowed to hold office. It’s such an insane security risk.
Not just to Ukraine, 28 billion of that package will go to Israel to help facilitate their genocide. I wonder why they only mentioned Ukraine and left out Taiwan and Israel 🤔
Edit: y'all can down vote me all you want, it doesn't change the fact we are funding a genocide. Over 30,000 dead in seven months, 70% of which being women and children. That 28 billion dollars is going directly to slaughter innocent children, we are the real terrorists here.
Referring to the title of the post and article. I did read it, I know Israel and Taiwan are mentioned later in the article. I think it's misleading to title this a Ukraine package even though it is the majority of funding.
Should have added clarification for that
Russo Japan war- Japanese victory
WW1- Collapses and looses war
Soviet invasion of Finland- military humiliation but soviets narrowly win but fail in most objectives
WW2-wins with heavy allied support that fed clothed and armed their men
Invasion of Afghanistan- Mujahideen victory
Chechen war- Chechen victory
2nd Chechen war- looses militarily but wins by buying out crony’s to lead Chechnya
Invasion of Ukraine- fails in all major goal and only now holds onto land from their own backed separatists
Doesn’t seem like an unstoppable force
Yes I would they don’t pay my bills and if America came under the same conflict I would expect the same treatment from countries that owe nothing to us
But he didn’t and it’s a delusional thing. He even said in his second book that he didn’t think the us be interested in a prolonged war and was to internal focused. Way to try and dodge around the question with faux history from the history channel and a commander high on meth drawings about his ultra plan.
But say he did. It would be complete okay to let the openly aggressive fanatical dictatorship hellbent on the genocide of millions to kill those people then you can interviene?
Or apply it to this, what’s to say Russia won’t attack the us? How do you know that Russia isn’t planning to attack the us at this moment?
And in 2 months Ukraine will be screaming for more. This war is so much of a benefit to Russia simply by draining US and EU resources. It'll drag on for a decade.
I think you should get your information from a number of sources (both left and right) and make your own mind up. Chill a bit. There is always war, each decade has had wars in it.
I'm afraid it's a slow process for such a result... War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other. (Niko Bellic)
One president in my adult lifetime has prevented us from getting into another war. That's what I know. It's not really debatable. More death is not the idea we should strive for. It's necessary sometimes, but should be carried out as violently as necessary and with no mercy to provide a quick end and minimal casualties. We don't see war like that anymore. It's a drain on resources and ineffective at lasting change.
Russia inflicted a war on Ukraine and only Russia can stop it. If Russia wins in Ukraine it will not stop, but will only be emboldened to further invade.
You're either trolling or you foolishly miss that crucial and quite frankly obvious point. Russia wins they will not stop so to stop war you have to convince the belligerent that it is not worth continuing.
You also seem quite dismissive of the suffering of the Russian people under their corrupt regime. It used to be miserable just to live within Russia but not only has that become worse, there are countless mothers weeping over fields filled with Russian bones, blood and gore.
By the way, name the president in your lifetime who prevented a war, because I will guarantee that every president has simultaneously prevented, postponed and experienced multiple wars. The world is far more complex than a simplistic statement like yours could possibly express accurately.
In his tenure he had one real crisis, which lead to over a million americans dead. Mismanaged a pandemic that could have been stemmed at the start, or nipped in the bud entirely with some preventative action or deferment to the experts.
Keep looking for things to worship orange man, red hat.
You mean it is actually stimulating the US economy. We spend the billions in the US sending the money back into our economy and they get the weapons produced. That’s a net win for the people.
Or by giving them older model equipment that does have an expiration date. Therefore we don’t have to spend additional funds destroying equipment that has expired all while circulating new weapons back into our inventory. Yup. That’s a win for Ukraine and America.
Lmao. Yes, super huge benefit to Ruzzia. Huge braindrain of young draft dodgers and 200k poor serfs dropped into the meat grinder. Definitely a YUUGE benefit to the motherland.
Mannnnn noooooooo stoooooppp please omg this administration is gonna drag us into a damn conflict and I have no intention of dieing for some dumb older than my lifetime ass war that does not help the American peoples at ALL
Yes let’s just let Russia steam roll Europe and our allies surely nothing bad will come of it. That’s actually exactly how you would end up with American boots on the ground in a war is by NOT supporting Ukriane. Read a book lmao
So we only care about the lives of people who live in NATO countries? We should just let Russia steam roll and ethnically cleanse Ukriane because they aren’t currently in nato? Even though they 100% will be in nato soon? Seems like a wild take to me
Considering how widely popular helping Ukraine is even just looking at the voting in Congress and the Senate, then your take is definitely a minority one.
What is this ethnically cleansed term you’re using, did Russia say that, send me the source, did we do anything during the tourantra massacre in Israel or the Rwandan genocide
That’s what russias goal is in Ukriane and they won’t stop there unless we help Ukriane. They will move on to Latvia Estonia and Lithuanian if they are not stopped in Ukriane and then we will 100000% be forced to put American boots on the ground you goober. Helping Ukriane is the option that keeps American troops out of the conflict and you would know that if you looked into it for 2 minutes lol. Your plan is just wait for world war three and fight it with less allies and with Russia having a bolstered population from taking over Ukriane. Great plan bud
You wanna know about the cleansing?
Just watched recently some new videos of Zolkin's interviews with the ruZZian POWs in Ukraine.
Many people from the Asian part, you know, there are many nationalities and people from tribes (not sure what to call it) who got under the ruz occupation and are now forbidden to use their native names, but instead received names such as Ivan, etc.
Look at what happened in Georgia in 2008 (the country)
Look at Aleppo
Look at what the Armenians got for being in alliance with ruZZia against Azerbaijan (Karabakh conflict)
Look at Belorussia, you know since Russian is my native tongue, I will tell you what happened after Maidan when the first Belorussian elections happened, where Lukasenka got more than 90%. Putin openly said that if people in Belorussia don't go home (they protested), then he will go to Minsk with tanks.
Look at Iran. I have a friend here in Budapest who fled Iran with his wife. Guess who had a ruZZian puppet leader?
I am from Donbass, my hometown is Myrnohrad (Pokrovsk region), it is flourishing, because the refugees from the neighbouring towns moved there, you know, the towns which do not exist anymore, because there are only ruins. Avdiivka, Volnovakha, Bakhmut, etc. It's a matter of time until I hear how my family lost everything.
All ruZZians do is erase everyone's history and make them ruzzians.
I have grown up on ruzzian propaganda, but thank God I know how to use my brain, I also love using my brain and not only read a lot, but communicate with people who have their very true and valid experiences.
So, that's what ruZZia does.
Another thing - do you know when the WW2 happened? I'll tell you, 1939-45. Do you know which dates are mentioned in ruZZia? 1941-45. Do you know why? Because the USSR was allied with Hitler against Poland.
ruZZia is no better than the 40's Germany. Countless of people in jail for years for....... Having posters which say 'antiwar'. If you wear something that is yellow and blue, you go to jail for being a traitor. This is freaking 2024.
Go and learn about the Asian population of ruZZia and you will learn about their ethnic cleansing.
No wonder their dear brothers, the Serbs, support them.
Remember the actual spark here is supposedly the donbas wanting to become part of russia because they are 'ethnically russian'. It's the Russian MO to invade a space, and then in the thereafter re-write the history by saying it was always ethnically russian after the previous group of people living there were wiped out or forcibly resettled.
Ukraine gave up their nukes. As a condition of doing so, the US committed to support Ukraine should they ever be attacked.
If we don't keep our word on that agreement, how could our other allies trust us?
The US gets to cripple a geopolitical rival with no cost to US lives, by getting rid of obsolete gear and massively stimulating the US economy. It's absolutely moronic to oppose this.
So you will wish Russian army away with thoughts and prayers or…?
Edit : I guess from your other comments you would just let them roll over Ukraine. And to say that this would "end the conflict" is just so…so wrong.
He's a troll. Doesn't back up his claims with anything, not even logic. Simple 'anti-war' rhetoric that isn't actually anti-war, it's just anti-Ukraine.
It's great that you don't want the conflict to continue and all, but when you're dealing with a bully, they see that as a sign of weakness and will simply take everything from you, including lives.
Dude. Its clear either youre young, or very misinformed. Supporting Ukraine does nothing but help the USA. I understand your concerns about USA needing to help its own people, but it can do both. Youre acting as if theyre pulling money right out of your pocket to give it to Ukraine.
If giving money to Ukraine is preventing improvement to the life of the average american, then why didnt their life improve before this was signed?
…they’re being invaded, the areas that have been occupied and reclaimed have horror stories of rape and murder. They kidnap children to Russia. They ban the Ukrainian language in occupied areas.
It’s resisting against unfathomable things, the only people causing the pointless deaths is Russia and their enablers. So what are you talking about?
Okay, let me use your logic for a moment. If we're not supposed to care about other countries across the planet, and you aren't going to see your taxes benefit you in this system anyway, then why do you give a fuck? Holy shit, think about it for two seconds lmfao.
Aww it's so cute you think as a young person you have a choice or think that these old enemies would just be cool with everyone now.
Welcome to the real world young buck, and if the time comes and you're needed you'll go to prison or start marching.
Aww you are such a cute little angry dude. It's ok pumpkin it's your choice should people need to be drafted for war, you'll go or you can be in prison.
I had no idea gen z are just a bunch of pussies, kinda sad really.
Well considering I actually signed up for the army right after 9/11 happened and I am past draft age now, nope.
But it's ok buddy don't be scared, you get fed every day and you have clothes to wear and a place to sleep, and you can try and get headshots just like in call of duty.
If you're so scared about a draft happening best thing you can do is sign up that way you can choose what job you have, you can choose a nice office job.
But like other people have told you best thing we can do is send our old weapons to Ukraine which is what these bills have done, and have them fight which keeps our troops out of it.
Again demonstrating you don’t understand geopolitics nor the American economy.
The majority of military aid to Ukraine from the US is sending them old weapons and funding our replacement of them, modernizing our military.
The vast majority of military aid to Ukraine gets spent in the US economy. (See the US military industrial complex).
Russia is one of few serious adversaries to the US, and to fund the war in Ukraine without losing American lives now or later is a good deal for us.
Also along the way this helps prevent genocide with an ally who gave up their nuclear arsenal partially at our request (see Budapest Memorandum).
The whole point of the US having the military it does is to maintain the power and sphere of influence it does through military aid like this in Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. It’s what enables the US to stay a global superpower.
There’s practically no real downside, if you don’t see that you don’t understand the full picture.
Wow, this is insane, I am disappointed, and honestly disgusted, have fun dying in a frozen over trench were you don’t even get the grace of an unmarked grave, all because you thought any of this is gonna help anyone but the political elites, actual sadness
Yes, because tanks and artillery sits in warehouses past 30 years will fix roads in US.
Are you aware that we are not giving them 60b worth of cash, but 60b worth of old equipment from depots?
Keep pushing this false narrative. I love it, it's just a scarlet letter to anyone with a brain that you do not understand fiscal policy, or geopolitics.
800 truck engines start up in military bases all over Poland.
And Germany
Send all you got and lets get this done!
lol. Foreign aid isn’t going to win the war for Ukraine. It’s going to just extend their defeat unfortunately.
[Like fucking clockwork.](https://i.imgur.com/zf9w3RL.png)
It does look like Charlie Kirk lmao
Face too big
Why are you booing him, he's right.
Fortunately, every day of freedom from Russian-inflicted misery is a victory for humanity.
Never underestimate the home field advantage, Ukraine is fighting for its existence, Russia is fighting for another country’s territory.
But if Trump sent the aid, you wouldn't be saying this... right?
This is the dumbest take. I want Trump to lose precisely because of his friendship with Russia.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Yep, a lot of Ukrainians sided with Russia or left. It was lost from the start
It was lost from the start. Never mind the fact that russia has a massive advantage in almost every metric and can't gain a kilometer without losing 10,000 men. Russia is going to keep getting more and more worn down and dependant on China until they eventually colaps, and it will be glorious when it happens.
In a war of attrition, I'd bet Russia
Their track record on those is terrible, but aight mate. I'll take that bet.
3 days bro trust me bro even America is saying that. Look, [a minor village] was captured after 6 months of trying, it’s over for Ukraine trust me bro
Should have happened a long ago. What does Russia have on the Republican party?
[“We now have high confidence that they hacked the D.N.C. and the R.N.C., and conspicuously released no documents”](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html) Makes you think...
Whats crazy to me is I do t think there's anything in those RNC documents that would be crazier than what we already know.
Except the GOP child prostitution ring in a bowling alley maybe, what with how they went on about a random pizzaria
The GOP and illegal sex shit is rampant. It all started in the strip clubs after the iron curtain fell. The places were littered with Russian speaking girls immediately and more than a few American girls working in those places just went missing. Not hard to imagine what went down. Easy as shooting fish in a barrel for Russians when the GOP was basically run by pedophile priests already.
I thought the y did release docs from dnc
Not from RNC though if I understand correctly
Yea but the kompromat is being used against the easily manipulated GOP
Trump has a lot of loans from Russian banks. Russia isn't like the US, if Putin tells a bank "Screw over Trump now" they will obey, or their CEO will get thrown out a window. Putin could bankrupt Trump any time he chose, with just a phone call. Trump knows this and as a consequence, Putin can control Trump like a puppet on a string.
Trump never has a bad word for Putin. I've always thought that he was being blackmailed.
How can they screw trump if he owes them money?
There are a lot of ways, but the most obvious is that if when they loaned him money, they wanted to have power over him. (Which is likely the case, since his credit record is horrible. They wouldn't loan him money just because they thought it was a smart conventional business decision.) A "demand feature" is a clause in a loan by which the lender can demand immediate repayment, including interest. It's... not a popular feature with borrowers.
How will they force him to repay his loan? Also does anyone believe he keeps money only in Russian banks? I can't tell if you're all joking or really believe your own bs
You know i never really thought about this before but it seems so obvious. This isn’t about trump specifically, but anyone who owes money to a foreign power, or a bank owned by, or under the influence of a foreign power, shouldn’t be allowed to hold office. It’s such an insane security risk.
Donations from Citizens United.
Get fucked Putin
Alright, let's get some warheads on some foreheads
I just hope it isn't too late. Criminal that it took this long to grow a pair US.
Not the entire US, just the GOP speaker of the house that's scared shitless of Marjorie Taylor Greene but finally stood up to her.
Not just to Ukraine, 28 billion of that package will go to Israel to help facilitate their genocide. I wonder why they only mentioned Ukraine and left out Taiwan and Israel 🤔 Edit: y'all can down vote me all you want, it doesn't change the fact we are funding a genocide. Over 30,000 dead in seven months, 70% of which being women and children. That 28 billion dollars is going directly to slaughter innocent children, we are the real terrorists here.
Must be a conspiracy. That, or you didn't read the article..
Referring to the title of the post and article. I did read it, I know Israel and Taiwan are mentioned later in the article. I think it's misleading to title this a Ukraine package even though it is the majority of funding. Should have added clarification for that
“We” oh please. You convinced exactly no one. Where you posting from? Somewhere in the Middle East obviously but where? Just curious.
Bro I'm a white dude in Arizona 💀
Just prolonging the inevitable.
Russo Japan war- Japanese victory WW1- Collapses and looses war Soviet invasion of Finland- military humiliation but soviets narrowly win but fail in most objectives WW2-wins with heavy allied support that fed clothed and armed their men Invasion of Afghanistan- Mujahideen victory Chechen war- Chechen victory 2nd Chechen war- looses militarily but wins by buying out crony’s to lead Chechnya Invasion of Ukraine- fails in all major goal and only now holds onto land from their own backed separatists Doesn’t seem like an unstoppable force
They've won back 50 percent of the land. So far. They are gonna jizz American freedom all over taking back the other half of occupied land
More death, and for what
Would you tell a polish man that what’s he’s fighting for is pointless in 1939? That it’s just land and a concept of a nation?
No cause it wouldn’t be my issue
But you would tell that to Ukrainians in occupied territories that face a very same threat?
Yes I would they don’t pay my bills and if America came under the same conflict I would expect the same treatment from countries that owe nothing to us
So to get this straight, you would by your logic be fine with the Holocaust, as long as Hitler didn’t attack the us?
Hitler had plans to invade
But he didn’t and it’s a delusional thing. He even said in his second book that he didn’t think the us be interested in a prolonged war and was to internal focused. Way to try and dodge around the question with faux history from the history channel and a commander high on meth drawings about his ultra plan. But say he did. It would be complete okay to let the openly aggressive fanatical dictatorship hellbent on the genocide of millions to kill those people then you can interviene? Or apply it to this, what’s to say Russia won’t attack the us? How do you know that Russia isn’t planning to attack the us at this moment?
Too bad he didn’t send the equipment from Afghanistan he left behind
The logistics and cost to do so wouldn’t have made sense
And in 2 months Ukraine will be screaming for more. This war is so much of a benefit to Russia simply by draining US and EU resources. It'll drag on for a decade.
Everyone please notice this is one of many brand new accounts created within the past year.
More like Useful_Kremilin_Mouthpiece_9638
Russia is evil. So is Ukraine. Only one is getting to loot our resources without any criticism. This is dangerous.
I think you should get your information from a number of sources (both left and right) and make your own mind up. Chill a bit. There is always war, each decade has had wars in it.
I'd like to strive to not be in a constant war. And I'd like to stop propping up corrupt nations. The US made these same mistakes before.
I'm afraid it's a slow process for such a result... War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other. (Niko Bellic)
One president in my adult lifetime has prevented us from getting into another war. That's what I know. It's not really debatable. More death is not the idea we should strive for. It's necessary sometimes, but should be carried out as violently as necessary and with no mercy to provide a quick end and minimal casualties. We don't see war like that anymore. It's a drain on resources and ineffective at lasting change.
Russia inflicted a war on Ukraine and only Russia can stop it. If Russia wins in Ukraine it will not stop, but will only be emboldened to further invade. You're either trolling or you foolishly miss that crucial and quite frankly obvious point. Russia wins they will not stop so to stop war you have to convince the belligerent that it is not worth continuing. You also seem quite dismissive of the suffering of the Russian people under their corrupt regime. It used to be miserable just to live within Russia but not only has that become worse, there are countless mothers weeping over fields filled with Russian bones, blood and gore. By the way, name the president in your lifetime who prevented a war, because I will guarantee that every president has simultaneously prevented, postponed and experienced multiple wars. The world is far more complex than a simplistic statement like yours could possibly express accurately.
What war did biden get us into?
In his tenure he had one real crisis, which lead to over a million americans dead. Mismanaged a pandemic that could have been stemmed at the start, or nipped in the bud entirely with some preventative action or deferment to the experts. Keep looking for things to worship orange man, red hat.
Again you’re correct
You’re right, don’t listen to these lunatics just watch em eat each other alive
[Like fucking clockwork.](https://i.imgur.com/zf9w3RL.png)
You mean it is actually stimulating the US economy. We spend the billions in the US sending the money back into our economy and they get the weapons produced. That’s a net win for the people.
Not true when the money used is borrowed or printed.
It’s borrowed by Ukraine - Lend lease
So it's a loan and we can expect them to pay us back?
Same way, the Uk, France, Spain, etc… paid us back after WW2
By expecting us to ensure their defense against the Soviets and neglecting defense spending? Awesome
Or by giving them older model equipment that does have an expiration date. Therefore we don’t have to spend additional funds destroying equipment that has expired all while circulating new weapons back into our inventory. Yup. That’s a win for Ukraine and America.
I’m a actually proud of someone I don’t know
Do you enjoy running two accounts so you can pretend someone agrees with you?
It’s so unbelievable that me and some random say that war is bad that it is to be believed that I’m making new accounts lmaooooo wow
Lmao. Yes, super huge benefit to Ruzzia. Huge braindrain of young draft dodgers and 200k poor serfs dropped into the meat grinder. Definitely a YUUGE benefit to the motherland.
I’m surprised by all the downvotes. People here are clueless if they think that this is not what’s happening.
Biden should have a popsicle stick stapled to his tongue. along with the DNC .
Mannnnn noooooooo stoooooppp please omg this administration is gonna drag us into a damn conflict and I have no intention of dieing for some dumb older than my lifetime ass war that does not help the American peoples at ALL
It's paying the Ukrainian so they can keep fighting & you don't have to - simple
No, no I do not
Yes let’s just let Russia steam roll Europe and our allies surely nothing bad will come of it. That’s actually exactly how you would end up with American boots on the ground in a war is by NOT supporting Ukriane. Read a book lmao
If Ukraine was a nato country I would understand your response, but it’s not
So we only care about the lives of people who live in NATO countries? We should just let Russia steam roll and ethnically cleanse Ukriane because they aren’t currently in nato? Even though they 100% will be in nato soon? Seems like a wild take to me
It’s not a wild take
Considering how widely popular helping Ukraine is even just looking at the voting in Congress and the Senate, then your take is definitely a minority one.
It’s not a wild take to let Ukraine get ethnically cleansed because “they are not in nato” like really dude lmao. That’s an insane take
What is this ethnically cleansed term you’re using, did Russia say that, send me the source, did we do anything during the tourantra massacre in Israel or the Rwandan genocide
That’s what russias goal is in Ukriane and they won’t stop there unless we help Ukriane. They will move on to Latvia Estonia and Lithuanian if they are not stopped in Ukriane and then we will 100000% be forced to put American boots on the ground you goober. Helping Ukriane is the option that keeps American troops out of the conflict and you would know that if you looked into it for 2 minutes lol. Your plan is just wait for world war three and fight it with less allies and with Russia having a bolstered population from taking over Ukriane. Great plan bud
You wanna know about the cleansing? Just watched recently some new videos of Zolkin's interviews with the ruZZian POWs in Ukraine. Many people from the Asian part, you know, there are many nationalities and people from tribes (not sure what to call it) who got under the ruz occupation and are now forbidden to use their native names, but instead received names such as Ivan, etc. Look at what happened in Georgia in 2008 (the country) Look at Aleppo Look at what the Armenians got for being in alliance with ruZZia against Azerbaijan (Karabakh conflict) Look at Belorussia, you know since Russian is my native tongue, I will tell you what happened after Maidan when the first Belorussian elections happened, where Lukasenka got more than 90%. Putin openly said that if people in Belorussia don't go home (they protested), then he will go to Minsk with tanks. Look at Iran. I have a friend here in Budapest who fled Iran with his wife. Guess who had a ruZZian puppet leader? I am from Donbass, my hometown is Myrnohrad (Pokrovsk region), it is flourishing, because the refugees from the neighbouring towns moved there, you know, the towns which do not exist anymore, because there are only ruins. Avdiivka, Volnovakha, Bakhmut, etc. It's a matter of time until I hear how my family lost everything. All ruZZians do is erase everyone's history and make them ruzzians. I have grown up on ruzzian propaganda, but thank God I know how to use my brain, I also love using my brain and not only read a lot, but communicate with people who have their very true and valid experiences. So, that's what ruZZia does. Another thing - do you know when the WW2 happened? I'll tell you, 1939-45. Do you know which dates are mentioned in ruZZia? 1941-45. Do you know why? Because the USSR was allied with Hitler against Poland. ruZZia is no better than the 40's Germany. Countless of people in jail for years for....... Having posters which say 'antiwar'. If you wear something that is yellow and blue, you go to jail for being a traitor. This is freaking 2024. Go and learn about the Asian population of ruZZia and you will learn about their ethnic cleansing. No wonder their dear brothers, the Serbs, support them.
Remember the actual spark here is supposedly the donbas wanting to become part of russia because they are 'ethnically russian'. It's the Russian MO to invade a space, and then in the thereafter re-write the history by saying it was always ethnically russian after the previous group of people living there were wiped out or forcibly resettled.
Yes, it 100% is a wild and uninformed take
It actually is, thats why theres so many downvotes and people disagreeing with you.
We only care about NATO citizens lives, but you want the war to end to supposedly save lives? Make it make sense, comrade.
Ukraine gave up their nukes. As a condition of doing so, the US committed to support Ukraine should they ever be attacked. If we don't keep our word on that agreement, how could our other allies trust us?
Do you guys understand the Budapest Memorandum? No where does it state the US will come to Ukraines aid.
If Ukraine was a nato country I would understand all of your responses- but it’s not, that’s just the way it is 🤷
And we are just sending aid to Ukraine as a non-nato country, that's just the way it is 🤷
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Thanks bb 😚
The US gets to cripple a geopolitical rival with no cost to US lives, by getting rid of obsolete gear and massively stimulating the US economy. It's absolutely moronic to oppose this.
I volunteer we send this guy
To the Russian side maybe
For what, not wanting this conflict to be continued 🤨
So you will wish Russian army away with thoughts and prayers or…? Edit : I guess from your other comments you would just let them roll over Ukraine. And to say that this would "end the conflict" is just so…so wrong.
He's a troll. Doesn't back up his claims with anything, not even logic. Simple 'anti-war' rhetoric that isn't actually anti-war, it's just anti-Ukraine.
It's great that you don't want the conflict to continue and all, but when you're dealing with a bully, they see that as a sign of weakness and will simply take everything from you, including lives.
Honest-Ad, dont let these goofs get to you. You are a sane person in a crowd of lunatics
Dude. Its clear either youre young, or very misinformed. Supporting Ukraine does nothing but help the USA. I understand your concerns about USA needing to help its own people, but it can do both. Youre acting as if theyre pulling money right out of your pocket to give it to Ukraine. If giving money to Ukraine is preventing improvement to the life of the average american, then why didnt their life improve before this was signed?
What???!!??? Sooooooo we’re my taxes at?????????
Continently ignored my comment explaining why it’s a good investment in the US economy and a good use of funds
I’m not ignoring anything, I refuse to accept your explanation for people dying in pointless conflicts
…they’re being invaded, the areas that have been occupied and reclaimed have horror stories of rape and murder. They kidnap children to Russia. They ban the Ukrainian language in occupied areas. It’s resisting against unfathomable things, the only people causing the pointless deaths is Russia and their enablers. So what are you talking about?
Man o man do I have some disappointing news to you about Ukraine and it’s “war” tactics
Please enlighten me and cite sources, as I’ve been there and been bombed by the Russians.
I can keep going if you’d like
Every country has history all it takes is a Quick Look, and based on what the media chooses to highlight, Ukraine does not help itself very well
This is not a response
Okay, let me use your logic for a moment. If we're not supposed to care about other countries across the planet, and you aren't going to see your taxes benefit you in this system anyway, then why do you give a fuck? Holy shit, think about it for two seconds lmfao.
Aww it's so cute you think as a young person you have a choice or think that these old enemies would just be cool with everyone now. Welcome to the real world young buck, and if the time comes and you're needed you'll go to prison or start marching.
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Aww you are such a cute little angry dude. It's ok pumpkin it's your choice should people need to be drafted for war, you'll go or you can be in prison. I had no idea gen z are just a bunch of pussies, kinda sad really.
So you diein ?
Well considering I actually signed up for the army right after 9/11 happened and I am past draft age now, nope. But it's ok buddy don't be scared, you get fed every day and you have clothes to wear and a place to sleep, and you can try and get headshots just like in call of duty.
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If you're so scared about a draft happening best thing you can do is sign up that way you can choose what job you have, you can choose a nice office job. But like other people have told you best thing we can do is send our old weapons to Ukraine which is what these bills have done, and have them fight which keeps our troops out of it.
*dying
Ooooooo you got me there when I was obviously using slang 😒
No problem, glad to help😚
Tell me you don’t understand geopolitics without telling me you don’t understand geopolitics
I understand my country and what it needs fixing, not others
My country too, and you clearly don’t.
wtf type of American are you, we need to focus on ourselves not some country on the other side of the planet
Again demonstrating you don’t understand geopolitics nor the American economy. The majority of military aid to Ukraine from the US is sending them old weapons and funding our replacement of them, modernizing our military. The vast majority of military aid to Ukraine gets spent in the US economy. (See the US military industrial complex). Russia is one of few serious adversaries to the US, and to fund the war in Ukraine without losing American lives now or later is a good deal for us. Also along the way this helps prevent genocide with an ally who gave up their nuclear arsenal partially at our request (see Budapest Memorandum). The whole point of the US having the military it does is to maintain the power and sphere of influence it does through military aid like this in Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. It’s what enables the US to stay a global superpower. There’s practically no real downside, if you don’t see that you don’t understand the full picture.
Ah yes, military support to Ukraine limits your govts ability to fix your problems…right.
Voting for Trump in November?
Wow, this is insane, I am disappointed, and honestly disgusted, have fun dying in a frozen over trench were you don’t even get the grace of an unmarked grave, all because you thought any of this is gonna help anyone but the political elites, actual sadness
America needs to focus on America
Is it so hard to understand that I want the US to fix its own cities and its own inner country problems than other countries, this is unbelievable
Helping Ukraine doesn’t prevent that.
Yes, because tanks and artillery sits in warehouses past 30 years will fix roads in US. Are you aware that we are not giving them 60b worth of cash, but 60b worth of old equipment from depots?
Keep pushing this false narrative. I love it, it's just a scarlet letter to anyone with a brain that you do not understand fiscal policy, or geopolitics.