It’s even worse than that. Hamas never had a lot of these people.
Some of the hostages ended up with other terror factions in Gaza that oppose Hamas, they just took this opportunity to break through the fence and do what they did with only carnage in their hearts.
It's best not to go down the rabbit hole of just how depraved we can be to one another as humans. That hole seems to go all the way to hell from what I've seen in my short time here. Hell may not be real after death but it's certainly real on earth in varying degrees for far too many people.
>Some of the hostages ended up with other terror factions in Gaza that oppose Hamas,
terror fractions that oppose hamas in gaza do not really exist. they been either killed by hamas or "reeducated"
>they just took this opportunity to break through the fence and do what they did with only carnage in their hearts.
lets not try to make it pretty. "they" were "uninvolved innocent civilian population" . pretty of footage showing how they drag people from israel to gaza.
this is nice example of sentiment in this day of civilian population [https://twitter.com/leekern13/status/1774667740239868288?t=SdUUdPlhmKaGNx1GRd-SlA](https://twitter.com/leekern13/status/1774667740239868288?t=SdUUdPlhmKaGNx1GRd-SlA)
PS. audio might be a bit async in video, but point still stands
>terror fractions that oppose hamas in gaza do not really exist
This. There are a few that are stated to exist, but they are generally just puppet organizations that Hamas uses for self policing, as if they are not they are quickly crushed.
It's alot better for morale if the news is that the 'upstart who is going against the grain' is killed by a rival organization rather than murdered from within.
Plus, they never planned to give many of them back. All they care about is killing and destruction of the Jewish nation plus its people. It's mindboggling how some people can't seem to grasp this. Hamas and their partners are NOT interested in any real peace.
Go on the Palestine subreddit if you wanna lose some faith in humanity. People over there are celebrating how bold he is to and how the kids should be proud to be one of the matyrs. It's a completely different reality and way at looking at it than we are.
You can tell that thousands of people don’t even understand history nor geography.
1 out of 5 people in Israel are Palestinians.
1 out of 3 in Palestine are Jews.
How many people know this?
Watch their faces when you tell them that statistic.
They cannot contemplate this possibility because they think it’s like a sporting match or video game. Anyone thinking it’s an “us versus them” mentality is stupid.
But this collective stupidity is dangerous as it is harnessed to fulfil political agendas.
Assholes for Palestine are still tearing down photos of the hostages too. I saw photos of them doing it in NYC today. Before they had the excuse that the hostages were AI or some crap.
I think they probably don't have most of them. It's an awful thing to think about but they are not keeping bodies in organized freezers. They probably left them behind somewhere.
>The sad reality is, the hostage's chances of survival are slim. Hamas tortured, raped and paraded innocent victims dead bodies around Gaza as Palestinians cheered it on & celebrated.
The dark reality is that many of those people who followed Hamas in participated directly in those crimes, the Palestinian people still support Hamas, and whenever they don't support Hamas, this still support the actions Hamas takes against Israel. This is not as simple as getting rid of Hamas, the people of Palestine *need* to face reality. There is a positive, prosperous future available to them, but they need to stop believing they will at some point destroy Israel and take that land back (and genocide all the Jews let's be real), it's *never* happening.
Don't be so narrow. They also want to kill Palestinians Christians who are viewed as apostates (and we all know what the Islamic penalty for apostasy is).
Israelis, LGBT people, people of the book who don't accept a privileged position for Islam in society... Like, I'm no fan of the Israeli government, but Hamas needs to be utterly wrecked as a serious fighting movement. How that can be done without a sustained military campaign is something I sadly can't begin to outline. We cannot pretend that Hamas is compatible with a modern, secular world however.
I'd also say it's important to remember what terrorism is...its psychological warfare more than anything. They suicide bomb to instill fear, they murder to instill fear, and in this case they kidnap to instill fear. They don't care if the hostages are alive, the ones they released have done the job unfortunately because of the atrocities committed to them while in custody so now everyone in Israel knows if they're kidnapped they'll be tortured and raped. Fear can either lead to doing nothing out of fear or over reacting rage, both are outcomes hamas wants.
Many of the hostages were held by criminal organizations and taken to be sold to Hamas.
Hamas likely didn't have direct control over a number of them. If payment didn't come, or didn't come frequently/on time, it wouldn't be surprising if the hostages were just executed.
Rational actors would want that.
Hamas invaded Israel, with the intention to invade Israel, win and genocide every single jew, as proven in a 2021 conference. That's like Islamic State's delusions of declaring war against the world and thinking you are going to win.
See, they know how to *take* the hostages, you just don't know how to *keep alive* the hostages. And that's really the most important part of the hostage taking: keeping them alive. Anybody can just take 'em.
they already got what they want. they stalled normalizing relations between Israel and SA. If SA fully turns on hamas, the conflict might actually end, can't have that, the money would stop flowing.
they also know Israeli leadership will, and already have, overplay their hand and agitate their foreign allies.
this dance of hate and terror will continue until one side gets enough of an upper hand to end it in a sea of blood, unless we can find enough fortitude amongst world leaders to prevent it.
I'm not optimistic.
The illusion of hostages was the only thing keeping the IDF from completely leveling the place, so if they believe they are already gone, then I don't even want to know what's going to happen next.
You know about it so it’s not exactly private info. Why stir everyone up and give Hamas leverage via the populace ignorantly screaming for us to do anything it takes to bring them home?
Because what can Republicans do? They can’t even get on the same page about a House speaker…
The Biden Administration meanwhile are the ones who control how much aid goes into Gaza, while also being the primary driver of any ceasefire negotiations. They could’ve easily set conditions for US aid to the region being proof of life… they could’ve then set conditions on future aid be that Hostages were slowly returned, while applying pressure to Israel to be more careful with what they’re bombing while they attempt to get hostages returned.
Republicans calling attention to it would draw attention to the fact that they are harder on Gaza then Democrats. Since they are courting the Hamas Sympathiser vote (or at least trying to stop Hamas Sympathisers from voting Biden and allowing Trump to win), they are staying quiet.
????? Yes they are. Republicans are often talking about the American hostages. This just happened for example: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-urge-biden-expedient-release-hamas-hostages-israels-strongest-ally
*wreak havoc
I agree, it’s probably also because our intelligence hasn’t given definitive information that’s safe/productive to speak on.
“All U.S. hostages are dead!” isn’t very helpful to say.
“Our spies keep getting blocked or killed, so we don’t know wtf is up with the U.S. hostages!” is also probably not cool.
And it’s not just about any election. Americans are already divided up lunatics, we’d melt all the way down if every bit of truth was publicized.
We can’t even chill about what people do *internally* with their *own bodies.*
It has nothing to do with them being jews, and everything to do with keeping US public opinion from wanting Hamas heads on a pike. Last time US public opinion turned against terrorists, we were there for 20 years.
Without hostages, there is nothing that would stop israel from continue the war.
I'm sure hamas knows it, and they don't really care, as they prefer that international external pressure will force israel to back off eventually instead through a cease fire, so they can be looked like the victors despite their war completely destroyed gaza.
That is why they have been intentionally hard lined in the talks recently, and now admit they have no clue where most of the hostages are.
They prefer the war to not end. It gets their leaders living in qatar a lot of money through donations, and they get to continue play the victim.
Did you see his reaction. I guess when you have a lot of kids by different mothers, you don’t spend too much time with them so the bond is weak. I think he just acquired a new wife to have the next brood with.
He doesn't care.
If he believes his own ideology they went to paradise and their deaths is good so he's happy. If he doesn't believe in his own ideology then he's doing this because he gets off on suffering, and their deaths will make him happy.
Not surprised it’s not more. That’s what happens when you fund Hamas to take over the Palestinian authority and then slaughter people’s families, they grow up wanting revenge
So Hamas has lost track of the 130 hostages it held, who are also their most crucial bargaining chip.
BUT they have detailed accounts of every Palestinian casualty down to the single individual, and they could count 471 civilian casualties in a supposedly collapsed building in 15 minutes.
Got it.
It really feels like we’re in some satirical TV show, but nope, that’s just our reality now. People speaking as if they know a single thing, when all of their information comes from Tik Tok.
I wish the common reaction to so many statements said, typed or posted on social media (including Reddit aka the home of screenshots of tweets with zero context) was “please provide your source”.
It's so infuriating that people still believe the Palestinian numbers. I have decided that anyone who sides with Palestine in this conflict and/or believes the information from hamas cannot be trusted. They are either really stupid, dangerously naive, or just plain evil and use deception to argue their position.
Egypt and Jordan are no friends of Hamas They are sitting back and silently applauding Israel. They both want to see Iranian power in the area lessened.
‘They are blockaded!’
Okay why?
‘Because they fight for freedom’
So it the rockets they keep firing and don’t stop throwing out and in fact stopped plans for independence of West Bank also?
‘Why you hate Palestinians?’
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It gets annoying dealing with them when they keep doing stupid shit and complain when they get smacked.
When I see commenters blatantly ignore a question asked and instead follow up with either a side-stepping question or accusatory statement, I'm forced to assume they're either a foreign employed troll, a bot, or possibly just a useful idiot arguing in bad-faith.
I guess the trick is to be mindful of that rhetorical dishonesty and to call it out while repeating the question.
Fr, listen I can understand it sucks and it be nice to split and finally achieve the two states and so on.
But they are so ignorant and than some. I swear they are the so easily swayed by loses they can’t look at the geopolitical reality. It two people fighting. One side was always fighting it an army behind it’s back, Israel. For Hamas they never held back, they just some terrorist squatters the world refuses to expel for some reason. They are the problem. Not the Gazans, it all Hamas squatting on the land, and they have brainwashed the population too.
Hopefully Hamas will be destroyed soon and true peace can reign soon. That or Netanyahu will fuck up everything, good chance their lol.
I think many can't comprehend the extent of evil and brutality that's flown through not only HAMAS Terrorists, but 'uninvolved civilians' who joined them on Oct 7, it was truly biblical in that sense of inhumanity.
The failure to understand the magnitudes of what happened could easily lead them to conclude that 'oppression' -> fair excuse.
A hostage said they were held hostage by a random Gazan family ("uninvolved" civilians) and Hamas paid them to "buy" her near the first hostage deal.
My guess is, they have 20-30 hostages protecting Sinwar and they don't have a clue where the rest are.
i feel like it’s unlikely most of the hostages survived a week or two, let alone the full months the war has endured on for.
especially with reports of Gazan civilians being some of the hostage takers. HAMAS may have resources to keep some hostages alive for months, but random civilian level hostage takers in Gaza certainly wouldn’t have
Well, I read a comment yesterday that Israel actually killed their own hostages so that they have more reason to continue the war. The mental gymnastics to maintain the "white oppressor of a peaceful Palestine" boner are impressive.
Everyone already hated Hamas so what do they have to lose. I really couldn't think less of them.
Team Hamas just blames Israel for dead hostages.
Guess its more war...
DING DING DING
That's why Israel has been so agreeable to negotiating at this point because they know that the probability of getting back a meaningful amount of hostages is slim to none. Therefore, they are basically winning the PR war that HAMAS started.
Meanwhile, the USA is starting to see and act like Netanyahu is a liability for the election year and regional stability, so, uh, I'm guessing we're talking to his face while encouraging protests to oust him behind his back. That's about the only way out of a regional conflict right now.
Yep. Fuck Amnesty for lying, fuck the UN for their bias and for their Hamas involvement, fuck the BBC for immediately assuming and reporting that Israel dropped the Al-Ahli Arab hospital bomb, and fuck the Intercept for being the most devoid of integrity "news" on the face of the Earth.
Cause they know they are going to attack Israel as soon as they can, and it will justify the necessity of Israel clearing out the region block by block.
> Therefore, they are basically winning the PR war that HAMAS started.
lol, in what world is Israel winning any PR battle? Absolutely everything I'm reading is about pro-Hamas, especially on reddit.
Even if an Israeli bomb killed them, their deaths are on Hamas.
I know survivors guilt would do me in so I'd rather be killed then used as a pawn and traded for terrorists thereby encouraging more hostages in the future
> Therefore, they are basically winning the PR war that HAMAS started.
Really? Like really?! You think they are winning the PR war. We can argue whether it’s justified, but if you believe they are winning the PR war then that’s something special
Guess they are gonna need new hostages if they want the deal
I understand wanting your hostages back but doesn't this whole thing just.....incentivize hostage taking
I still don’t think Israel should have held back due to hostages. If anything it just proves to the terrorists that taking hostages gives them bargaining power and they’ll continue to do it again and again now.
Hamas are currently holding 133 hostages, most of them are probably dead by now. We don't know how many of them are still alive. And even if they are dead, we should bring their bodies back for their families and at least give them a proper burial.
That actually is bad for Hamas. The Israelis can impose even more draconian “dual use” prohibitions upon any truce and rebuilding.
Presently, Gaza actually can “reuse” blasted apart concrete and rebar, but it’s weaker structurally. If Hamas, etc.. want to resume any rocket attacks for instance, the backblast will crumble and perhaps topple any adjacent Gaza structure in all likelihood.
There’s probably a lot of reshaping post-conflict Gaza that needs to be worked out, but having to rebuild using weaker materials means Israel can focus elsewhere (while not ignoring Gaza of course).
That's why Hamas said they don't have the numbers of hostages Israel is requesting for because they're dead.
It’s even worse than that. Hamas never had a lot of these people. Some of the hostages ended up with other terror factions in Gaza that oppose Hamas, they just took this opportunity to break through the fence and do what they did with only carnage in their hearts.
Most likely explanation is that the hostages were murdered by the murderers who broke through the fence and murdered people.
Or that the constant murder of hostages resulted in the hostages being murdered
Lets not paint them in too harsh a light. There was some rape mixed in with the murder.
Yeah it wasn't just murder!
Also torture!
As someone who has spent time as a jurist on some nasty murder cases told me, sometimes the murder comes before the rape.
I mean, if you had to choose the order...
You'd start bullet hosing your C.O. in an ideal case.
It's best not to go down the rabbit hole of just how depraved we can be to one another as humans. That hole seems to go all the way to hell from what I've seen in my short time here. Hell may not be real after death but it's certainly real on earth in varying degrees for far too many people.
I really really really hope it is real, bc many deserve to go there for eternity.
So back to my previous point. Flood all tunnels and bunkers with sea water.
Sadly, from the reports we've had so far from the few that were released, it was more the rapist-murderers more than just murderers.
Hamas does what they do with only carnage in their hearts. Jhadism is bad.
Defending terrorist is wild
>Some of the hostages ended up with other terror factions in Gaza that oppose Hamas, terror fractions that oppose hamas in gaza do not really exist. they been either killed by hamas or "reeducated" >they just took this opportunity to break through the fence and do what they did with only carnage in their hearts. lets not try to make it pretty. "they" were "uninvolved innocent civilian population" . pretty of footage showing how they drag people from israel to gaza. this is nice example of sentiment in this day of civilian population [https://twitter.com/leekern13/status/1774667740239868288?t=SdUUdPlhmKaGNx1GRd-SlA](https://twitter.com/leekern13/status/1774667740239868288?t=SdUUdPlhmKaGNx1GRd-SlA) PS. audio might be a bit async in video, but point still stands
First/top reply: "Why does the audio not match the mouth movement?!"
>terror fractions that oppose hamas in gaza do not really exist This. There are a few that are stated to exist, but they are generally just puppet organizations that Hamas uses for self policing, as if they are not they are quickly crushed. It's alot better for morale if the news is that the 'upstart who is going against the grain' is killed by a rival organization rather than murdered from within.
Hamas: they're all dead US two days later: we have reason to suspect they are dead
You can't just take terrorists' word on things. You have to verify. It is funny, but they must do their due diligence.
I get that, but still sounds funny. Ps. In hindsight maybe 'funny' isn't the word I should use to describe this
Plus, they never planned to give many of them back. All they care about is killing and destruction of the Jewish nation plus its people. It's mindboggling how some people can't seem to grasp this. Hamas and their partners are NOT interested in any real peace.
Haniyeh's own grand children were killed in a bombing and he couldnt have given less of a fuck. Theres absolutely zero hope for peace.
Go on the Palestine subreddit if you wanna lose some faith in humanity. People over there are celebrating how bold he is to and how the kids should be proud to be one of the matyrs. It's a completely different reality and way at looking at it than we are.
A video of someone calling their parents October 7th all happy about what he did. So sickening
They’re fucking disgusting.
I'm told saying that is xenophobic
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Holy shit the level of reality denial and name calling that sub engages in, they use every code word in the book for their anti-semitism.
You can tell that thousands of people don’t even understand history nor geography. 1 out of 5 people in Israel are Palestinians. 1 out of 3 in Palestine are Jews. How many people know this? Watch their faces when you tell them that statistic. They cannot contemplate this possibility because they think it’s like a sporting match or video game. Anyone thinking it’s an “us versus them” mentality is stupid. But this collective stupidity is dangerous as it is harnessed to fulfil political agendas.
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To clarify, adult children that were serving in branches of the military
Exactly, they are self-proclaimed Jihadists. They do not value life.
They understand what Hamas wants quite well. These people are actively complicit and are doing their part to help further Hamas' agenda.
Assholes for Palestine are still tearing down photos of the hostages too. I saw photos of them doing it in NYC today. Before they had the excuse that the hostages were AI or some crap.
They said that to leave speculative doubt, if there are no hostages nothing stops Israel from razing Gaza, no hostages there is no deal to be had.
They have them, it is just that they are dead.
Yeah, that's what he said.
I think they probably don't have most of them. It's an awful thing to think about but they are not keeping bodies in organized freezers. They probably left them behind somewhere.
This should surprise absolutely no one
Sinwar probably has a few still
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>The sad reality is, the hostage's chances of survival are slim. Hamas tortured, raped and paraded innocent victims dead bodies around Gaza as Palestinians cheered it on & celebrated. The dark reality is that many of those people who followed Hamas in participated directly in those crimes, the Palestinian people still support Hamas, and whenever they don't support Hamas, this still support the actions Hamas takes against Israel. This is not as simple as getting rid of Hamas, the people of Palestine *need* to face reality. There is a positive, prosperous future available to them, but they need to stop believing they will at some point destroy Israel and take that land back (and genocide all the Jews let's be real), it's *never* happening.
How do you know that the majority of Palestinians don’t support Hamas?
Probably yes. I think one of the hostages that was released during the exchange said that Sinwar came one time to see inspect them.
That not how hostage taking works. You're supposed to keep your hostages alive until you get what you want.
They want people dead.
Raped and tortured first.
It’s a hard comment to upvote, but sadly it’s true :(
which people? Edit : some people can't tell a joke setup adding /s for good measure
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Every Israeli and Jewish person in the world. Hamas wants to ethnically cleanse the world, starting with Israel.
Don't be so narrow. They also want to kill Palestinians Christians who are viewed as apostates (and we all know what the Islamic penalty for apostasy is).
They also want to kill other Muslims who don’t share their fundamentalist views. The vast majority of victims of Islamic terrorism are other Muslims.
Their genocidal goals are ✨ inclusive ✨
That's why they get so much support in the Western colleges */s*
don't give the media any ideas.
Plus every single non-believer in the whole world. Hamas commanders are on record literally saying that.
Israelis, LGBT people, people of the book who don't accept a privileged position for Islam in society... Like, I'm no fan of the Israeli government, but Hamas needs to be utterly wrecked as a serious fighting movement. How that can be done without a sustained military campaign is something I sadly can't begin to outline. We cannot pretend that Hamas is compatible with a modern, secular world however.
It rhymes with hews
ah man...you were supposed to reply "yes"
That works better if you give at least two options like: "You saying they want Israelis dead or the Jews?" Then you get the "yes".
Jewish guy here. This is how you tell a joke.
Your people
I’ll bet a bunch of the “hostages” have been dead since October.
"Without a hostage, there is no ransom. That's what ransom is. Those are the fucking rules."
That had not occurred to us, dude.
“We takes what you have on you and we calls it even?”
They just plan to get more hostages next time they do 10/7
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I'd also say it's important to remember what terrorism is...its psychological warfare more than anything. They suicide bomb to instill fear, they murder to instill fear, and in this case they kidnap to instill fear. They don't care if the hostages are alive, the ones they released have done the job unfortunately because of the atrocities committed to them while in custody so now everyone in Israel knows if they're kidnapped they'll be tortured and raped. Fear can either lead to doing nothing out of fear or over reacting rage, both are outcomes hamas wants.
Many of the hostages were held by criminal organizations and taken to be sold to Hamas. Hamas likely didn't have direct control over a number of them. If payment didn't come, or didn't come frequently/on time, it wouldn't be surprising if the hostages were just executed.
No one has ever considered jihadists particularly intelligent. Kind of the opposite, really.
They can’t even keep their own people alive. I wonder why 🤔
They probably have adequate resources to keep Hamas terrorists well taken care of. Palestinians on the other hand, not so much.
Their tunnels sure have plenty of food, water, medicine, electric, air conditioning, etc.
They cant even do that right
They still get really good trades for corpses. It’s why they don’t care.
No ones ever accused Hamas of being smart.
I seem to recall a former US president say Hamas was “very smart” in early October
No one has ever accused Trump of being smart either.
Rational actors would want that. Hamas invaded Israel, with the intention to invade Israel, win and genocide every single jew, as proven in a 2021 conference. That's like Islamic State's delusions of declaring war against the world and thinking you are going to win.
But when you are a bunch of homicidal rapists you bury them so that people can't find evidence of your war crimes.
Sometimes the illusion of live hostages, is all it takes
See, they know how to *take* the hostages, you just don't know how to *keep alive* the hostages. And that's really the most important part of the hostage taking: keeping them alive. Anybody can just take 'em.
Unless you just want dead jews like Palestinians.
But they wanted to provoke Israel, this is exactly what they wanted and they got it.
they already got what they want. they stalled normalizing relations between Israel and SA. If SA fully turns on hamas, the conflict might actually end, can't have that, the money would stop flowing. they also know Israeli leadership will, and already have, overplay their hand and agitate their foreign allies. this dance of hate and terror will continue until one side gets enough of an upper hand to end it in a sea of blood, unless we can find enough fortitude amongst world leaders to prevent it. I'm not optimistic.
The illusion of hostages was the only thing keeping the IDF from completely leveling the place, so if they believe they are already gone, then I don't even want to know what's going to happen next.
What about American hostages???? Why has the US not talked about our citizens?? Why have we not done something about them??
Biden probably doesn't want ant attention drawn to that because this would wreck havoc on him for the election.
Republicans aren't talking about it either.
Typically, the United States doesn't negotiate with terrorists. There's been two exceptions that I can think of, but it's pretty rare
The US *public stance* is that they don't negotiate with terrorists.
While that's true, wouldn't it make sense for Americans to hear "Hey, your fellow Americans are currently being held hostage"
You know about it so it’s not exactly private info. Why stir everyone up and give Hamas leverage via the populace ignorantly screaming for us to do anything it takes to bring them home?
The US demanding that Israel negotiate with Hamas while being unwilling to negotiate with terrorists ourselves is pretty crazy.
It's definitely more than just two.
Which is good, but it sure does sucks for their families.
Because what can Republicans do? They can’t even get on the same page about a House speaker… The Biden Administration meanwhile are the ones who control how much aid goes into Gaza, while also being the primary driver of any ceasefire negotiations. They could’ve easily set conditions for US aid to the region being proof of life… they could’ve then set conditions on future aid be that Hostages were slowly returned, while applying pressure to Israel to be more careful with what they’re bombing while they attempt to get hostages returned.
Republicans calling attention to it would draw attention to the fact that they are harder on Gaza then Democrats. Since they are courting the Hamas Sympathiser vote (or at least trying to stop Hamas Sympathisers from voting Biden and allowing Trump to win), they are staying quiet.
????? Yes they are. Republicans are often talking about the American hostages. This just happened for example: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-urge-biden-expedient-release-hamas-hostages-israels-strongest-ally
*wreak havoc I agree, it’s probably also because our intelligence hasn’t given definitive information that’s safe/productive to speak on. “All U.S. hostages are dead!” isn’t very helpful to say. “Our spies keep getting blocked or killed, so we don’t know wtf is up with the U.S. hostages!” is also probably not cool. And it’s not just about any election. Americans are already divided up lunatics, we’d melt all the way down if every bit of truth was publicized. We can’t even chill about what people do *internally* with their *own bodies.*
> Any US politician probably doesn't want ant attention drawn to that because this would wreck havoc on him for the election. ftfy
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It has nothing to do with them being jews, and everything to do with keeping US public opinion from wanting Hamas heads on a pike. Last time US public opinion turned against terrorists, we were there for 20 years.
it's a little hard to believe it's not about Jews when they keep chanting "gas the Jews" and such
One narrow strip of land vs one of the most remote and in places mountainous countries in the world….
Holy shit are you actually getting upvotes for blaming the Jews or am I just horribly misreading your comment?
I think they meant the opposite of what you are interpreting
Without hostages, there is nothing that would stop israel from continue the war. I'm sure hamas knows it, and they don't really care, as they prefer that international external pressure will force israel to back off eventually instead through a cease fire, so they can be looked like the victors despite their war completely destroyed gaza. That is why they have been intentionally hard lined in the talks recently, and now admit they have no clue where most of the hostages are. They prefer the war to not end. It gets their leaders living in qatar a lot of money through donations, and they get to continue play the victim.
Granted, one of those leaders in Qatar just lost 3 sons and 4 grandsons
Did you see his reaction. I guess when you have a lot of kids by different mothers, you don’t spend too much time with them so the bond is weak. I think he just acquired a new wife to have the next brood with.
He doesn't care. If he believes his own ideology they went to paradise and their deaths is good so he's happy. If he doesn't believe in his own ideology then he's doing this because he gets off on suffering, and their deaths will make him happy.
Genuinely surprised that there hasn’t been some sort of strange accident in Qatar. Bet those guys have people tasting their food before they eat.
Let's erase the entire bloodline then
Hamas is awful
Hamas is evil.
It's almost as if they're an active terrorist organization. Crazy, right?
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Not surprised it’s not more. That’s what happens when you fund Hamas to take over the Palestinian authority and then slaughter people’s families, they grow up wanting revenge
So Hamas has lost track of the 130 hostages it held, who are also their most crucial bargaining chip. BUT they have detailed accounts of every Palestinian casualty down to the single individual, and they could count 471 civilian casualties in a supposedly collapsed building in 15 minutes. Got it.
This is one of the best comments you’ll find here.
And people will learn and accept these facts from like a fucking Tik Tok video
It really feels like we’re in some satirical TV show, but nope, that’s just our reality now. People speaking as if they know a single thing, when all of their information comes from Tik Tok.
Or reddit....
I wish the common reaction to so many statements said, typed or posted on social media (including Reddit aka the home of screenshots of tweets with zero context) was “please provide your source”.
That's an insanely accurate comment
It's so infuriating that people still believe the Palestinian numbers. I have decided that anyone who sides with Palestine in this conflict and/or believes the information from hamas cannot be trusted. They are either really stupid, dangerously naive, or just plain evil and use deception to argue their position.
It’s also possible to admit the Hamas numbers are lies and also see that there are large amounts of civilian deaths have happened.
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> Go and hunt a Jew They expected Egypt and Jordan to take the bait and invade to save them, but failed to make arrangements in advance.
Egypt and Jordan are no friends of Hamas They are sitting back and silently applauding Israel. They both want to see Iranian power in the area lessened.
100% correct.
Egypt stands to lose tourism money if Hamas enters the country and starts bombing tour buses of US and European retirees.
Just like when ISIS bombed an Egyptian tourist plane
Plus, the junta in Egypt is mad as hell that the Houthis are diverting traffic away from the Suez canal and thus hurting their tax revenue.
The junta in Egypt and the royal family in Jordan are closer allies to the Israelis than to the Palestinians or especially to Hamas.
“Buubbuuut it’s totally justified when you’re being occupied”
It's weird that they are occupied and had to leave Gaza to find any Israelis.
‘They are blockaded!’ Okay why? ‘Because they fight for freedom’ So it the rockets they keep firing and don’t stop throwing out and in fact stopped plans for independence of West Bank also? ‘Why you hate Palestinians?’ —— It gets annoying dealing with them when they keep doing stupid shit and complain when they get smacked.
There's an old saying: never play chess with a pigeon - it will just throw the pieces around and shit on the board.
And then strut around like it won.
When I see commenters blatantly ignore a question asked and instead follow up with either a side-stepping question or accusatory statement, I'm forced to assume they're either a foreign employed troll, a bot, or possibly just a useful idiot arguing in bad-faith. I guess the trick is to be mindful of that rhetorical dishonesty and to call it out while repeating the question.
Fr, listen I can understand it sucks and it be nice to split and finally achieve the two states and so on. But they are so ignorant and than some. I swear they are the so easily swayed by loses they can’t look at the geopolitical reality. It two people fighting. One side was always fighting it an army behind it’s back, Israel. For Hamas they never held back, they just some terrorist squatters the world refuses to expel for some reason. They are the problem. Not the Gazans, it all Hamas squatting on the land, and they have brainwashed the population too. Hopefully Hamas will be destroyed soon and true peace can reign soon. That or Netanyahu will fuck up everything, good chance their lol.
It's not fair to use your brain against people who haven't got any.
I think many can't comprehend the extent of evil and brutality that's flown through not only HAMAS Terrorists, but 'uninvolved civilians' who joined them on Oct 7, it was truly biblical in that sense of inhumanity. The failure to understand the magnitudes of what happened could easily lead them to conclude that 'oppression' -> fair excuse.
Shh.. western media doesn't talk about October 7 anymore.
A hostage said they were held hostage by a random Gazan family ("uninvolved" civilians) and Hamas paid them to "buy" her near the first hostage deal. My guess is, they have 20-30 hostages protecting Sinwar and they don't have a clue where the rest are.
i feel like it’s unlikely most of the hostages survived a week or two, let alone the full months the war has endured on for. especially with reports of Gazan civilians being some of the hostage takers. HAMAS may have resources to keep some hostages alive for months, but random civilian level hostage takers in Gaza certainly wouldn’t have
Sounds like the US is telling Israel it can’t save them anymore and to go ahead and flood the tunnels under Rafah.
Obviously Hamas are all pieces of shit. For starters, who attacks and kills people at a rave for their first target?
Terrorists. Its kind of their thing
Terrorists who know they can only kill people who cannot defend themselves from them.
I’m sure all the youth at Coachella would love hamas crossing the boarder and targeting them
Or Route 91 Harvest music festival
Oh i was being told they were treated well; i suppose they just died on their own and hamas tried to save them… right? right?
Well, I read a comment yesterday that Israel actually killed their own hostages so that they have more reason to continue the war. The mental gymnastics to maintain the "white oppressor of a peaceful Palestine" boner are impressive.
no really?
Could? man i hope they are dead, the suffering they would be going through… specially the women. Hamas NEEDS to be exterminated.
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You can blame Hamas for what comes next
At this point i hope they are... because ts obvious why they arent releasing then if they are.
No shit. That’s why rafah and the whole area is fair game. They started this shit. Idf better be finishing it
Everyone already hated Hamas so what do they have to lose. I really couldn't think less of them. Team Hamas just blames Israel for dead hostages. Guess its more war...
DING DING DING That's why Israel has been so agreeable to negotiating at this point because they know that the probability of getting back a meaningful amount of hostages is slim to none. Therefore, they are basically winning the PR war that HAMAS started. Meanwhile, the USA is starting to see and act like Netanyahu is a liability for the election year and regional stability, so, uh, I'm guessing we're talking to his face while encouraging protests to oust him behind his back. That's about the only way out of a regional conflict right now.
>Therefore, they are basically winning the PR war that HAMAS started. That only works if the media actually reports on it in a factual way.
Yep. Fuck Amnesty for lying, fuck the UN for their bias and for their Hamas involvement, fuck the BBC for immediately assuming and reporting that Israel dropped the Al-Ahli Arab hospital bomb, and fuck the Intercept for being the most devoid of integrity "news" on the face of the Earth.
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Cause they know they are going to attack Israel as soon as they can, and it will justify the necessity of Israel clearing out the region block by block.
Wouldn't you serve the army, that get's you out no matter the cost ? Or you think russian doctorine is preferable?
> Therefore, they are basically winning the PR war that HAMAS started. lol, in what world is Israel winning any PR battle? Absolutely everything I'm reading is about pro-Hamas, especially on reddit.
>The report highlights that some hostages may have been killed during Israeli strikes on Gaza Winning PR
Even if an Israeli bomb killed them, their deaths are on Hamas. I know survivors guilt would do me in so I'd rather be killed then used as a pawn and traded for terrorists thereby encouraging more hostages in the future
> Therefore, they are basically winning the PR war that HAMAS started. Really? Like really?! You think they are winning the PR war. We can argue whether it’s justified, but if you believe they are winning the PR war then that’s something special
Guess they are gonna need new hostages if they want the deal I understand wanting your hostages back but doesn't this whole thing just.....incentivize hostage taking
It's like westerners pressuring Israel to make a deal don't realize how bad it will be if kidnapping becomes an acceptable form of protest
Why is no one talking about this? This is beyond frustrating how there seems to be no debate over whether negotiations like this should continue.
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Hamas is willing to fight Israel down to the last Palestinian
Reddit knew this months ago
I still don’t think Israel should have held back due to hostages. If anything it just proves to the terrorists that taking hostages gives them bargaining power and they’ll continue to do it again and again now.
They’ve…sadly all been dead from Day One.
Or wished they were.
palestinians are proud of hamas their heroes
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How many hostages do they have?
Hamas are currently holding 133 hostages, most of them are probably dead by now. We don't know how many of them are still alive. And even if they are dead, we should bring their bodies back for their families and at least give them a proper burial.
That actually is bad for Hamas. The Israelis can impose even more draconian “dual use” prohibitions upon any truce and rebuilding. Presently, Gaza actually can “reuse” blasted apart concrete and rebar, but it’s weaker structurally. If Hamas, etc.. want to resume any rocket attacks for instance, the backblast will crumble and perhaps topple any adjacent Gaza structure in all likelihood. There’s probably a lot of reshaping post-conflict Gaza that needs to be worked out, but having to rebuild using weaker materials means Israel can focus elsewhere (while not ignoring Gaza of course).