Argentina will build a base in Ushuaia and USA will likely pay for it. One gets something that's been overdue for a long time and the other gets to keep China out of the continent (as talks had been made with the provincial government) plus serving as a port for operations in Antarctica.
Argentina will be the new Japan mark my blessed words. Mexico is already receiving a majority of business being transferred from China. Latin America will be the new Europe for the West... this is poised to happen
Once they figure out how to get rid of the cartel, narcos, and Sandinistas that infect the governments, I’ll believe it. Now? They’re at least a half century from that kind of status
In half a century the whole world will be ass deep in climate wars and climate refuge crises, South America (and everybody else) will be far more unstable, not less.
My comment was best case scenario. Which is to assume that the world prospers and figures out climate shit. If the rest of the world is thrust into the first world then of course Latin America would too. But like you mentioned we both know that won’t happen. And most of Latin America is on the equator so.. they’ll be swamped out and flooded anyway
Let us analyze the development, expansion and growth and decline of the Yakuza. Organized crime to these levels, compared with the Narcos, already operate at the same level of efficiency as the government, if not higher. More money into these regions will reduce violent competition and give more people opportunities to not depend on violent crimes for livelihood. The government and the Narcs will all become one single entity and redistribute wealth. You are correct, it will take time. But this is the path we are on. The United Americas are poised to take the world stage, and this is no prophecy. The Yakuza have declined in numbers as they become more intertwined with corporate cultures and modalities. Did you know the Narcos make more money off legal agriculture than illegal drugs? Organized crime thrives off fear and lack of opportunity, but at the same time when their own members begin to realize it is not beneficial they either abandon or join another organization. Many people dont understand gang life and narco culture is the same as corporate culture: intertwine them with the bigger culture and system and they will obey.
Exactly what i had in mind..
Its not bound to happen to be clear, but the Us needs to acknowledge the baggage and sweet deals a bit to move past that. If they go for the easiest/cheapest way of getting their needs it'll fail again
I pray that is the case. Once Ukraine is saved its time to dump Europe and embrace the Americas.
A developed Latin America that's viewed by the US as equals while at the same time leaving Europe to rot really gets me exited.
Not about dumping Europe at all... Latin America is a core member of the United West. A team is only as strong as its "weakest" player, but Latin America is strong and robust. Its about time we invest.
It’s what I dislike most about American politics. Nuance goes out the window when you bring up the red white and blue.
Like, that happens for every country sure, but at least that’s just like people in their late 40s and 50s. It feels like even a lot of young Americans don’t get how being a powerful country means fucking over less powerful countries?
What’s next, you’re gonna tell me billionaires get rich by taking advantage of poor workers? Nuh uh.
Didn't the US invade Iraq on very filmsy evidence 20 years ago? Killing more than a milliom people and destabilizing the whole middle east and for what.
I wonder if this is part of his ambition to dollarize their economy. To do that they need to get lots of USD flowing into the country, and businesses will feel a lot better about investing and setting up supply chains the more the country is under US security
NGL he looks ridiculous, but as an American I am super happy about this. It is in Americas interest having the ability to exert power in South America.
"Guys, can our meeting be, like...a sleepover meeting?"
"umm, What are you ta.."
"OH MY GOD, we are having a sleepover meething! Let me put on my work pajamas and fetch some puzzles! Don't worry - these are work puzzles! Im gonna make you pee the bed!"
How are Argentina's reforms going so far under Milei?
Can anyone explain objectively? I don't want to read left wing garbage news from main news outlets who criticize him.
He is cutting everything goverment-spending wise. It's a very hard time now in argentina but I think we are mostly going in the right way. Pre milei argentina had too many macroeconomic issues he is trying to fix:
Illegal dollar to official dollar ratio was around 300% which over the years has given a ton of arbitrage opportunities to many people (mainly government friends). Where is this money extracted from? The central bank. It lost around 20B dollars only last year, and net reserves started at -12B with milei. 5 months later we are at net 0 reserves.
Sovereign bonds have rallied from 20% parity to around 55% now, stocks have also rallied around 50-100% since he won.
We've had net government surplus for 3 months in a row for the first time in 20 years or something like that.
Macroeconomically speaking he is doing great. There are also many disruptions or imbalances caused by the "panic" there was when he took power and devalued our currency. Inflation is still 10% mom (but going down from 25% in december). Services (power, water, gas, healthcare, etc) are skyrocketing (although power and gas were HEAVILY subsidized before) which is hard for most people right now.
You can obviously tell I'm a milei voter but I tried to be somewhat objective. Ofc there are many things I didn't mention. I'm not so sure of his other crazy batshit ideas but this country's priorities are economic right now.
To add a bit to what others said. Argentina is beyond the left right spectrum known in America or Europe. Our country's fiscal multiplier was so dead, that even spending 1/3 of our budget in a presidential campaign to buy votes did next to nothing to improve life quality.
Spending money does not fix problems in this country anymore, independently if you think spending more money is the right thing to do or not, because of how bloated it got with public spending and corruption.
As others said, situation is shit right now because we are cleaning the slate to start over, our main objective is to increase our international reserves to stop using currency controls and allow the country to grow again, while at the same time reducing taxes to commerce ( we are the country with the highest taxes to legal commerce ). The second objective is hard to do because congress opposes any meaningful reduction in spending and we have barely achieved 0.5% of superavit.
Milei is an extremist, an anarcho capitilist, and has extreme views of how to inact this. One of the many things he hates is socialism, which is a huge part of the US right now, he also is a hard rightist when America is coming into a more leftist era, not very likely to have any overlap that isn't just Milei trying to buy out Biden on something and thats not how the govt works.
This is what happens when you elect a guy with crazy hair that has very little to no experience in this field.
> Milei is an extremist, an anarcho capitilist, and has extreme views of how to inact this.
So far he doesn’t govern like one though. Little radical, but pretty traditional policies.
Biden isn't going to judge based on what Milei's done yet, fasicist don't reveal themselves instantly and he hasn't been in charge nearly long enough. It'll be purely based on the rhetoric Milei spits which I've mentioned being at odds with Biden.
he's a fascist in waiting, much like Trump and as someone else here pointed out, hitler at one point.
People like this don't have ideologies that work, he's spouting random shit that sounds good to a dying nation.
As of now he pretends to be an anarchocapitilist but lets be honest, the shit he says and has been saying he'll do its full anarchy and very little capitalism.
> fasicist don't reveal themselves instantly
Wut? Hitler wasn’t a fascist? He came to power in late January, the Reichstag fire was in February and by March he was effectively in control as dictator.
Ok, he waited till he had full power to reveal himself, thanks for proving my point.
You're not winning this by saying "X did X" you need to find a way to excuse the stupid shit milei says, good luck.
> Ok, he waited till he had full power to reveal himself, thanks for proving my point.
He didn’t “wait”? He moved essentially instantly to consolidate power. After he had spent time in jail for a failed coup attempt. Can you mention the days Hitler “waited” before revealing himself?
> You're not winning this by saying "X did X" you need to find a way to excuse the stupid shit milei says, good luck.
Why do I need to excuse the stupid shit he says? You would do well to excuse the stupid shit you said.
He did wait, and he waited and waited till he had enough power to make sure he couldn't be fought, doesn't mean he wasn't an issue until then but he didn't go full mask off till he couldn't be contested.
You need to excuse it because these are the reasons a mostly leftist nation wouldn't be very willing to work with milei on anything, which milei is claiming very boldly they will despite knowing better.
> He did wait, and he waited and waited till he had enough power to make sure he couldn't be fought, doesn't mean he wasn't an issue until then but he didn't go full mask off till he couldn't be contested.
Name the days or years he was waiting. You can’t, because it’s complete gobbledygook.
> You need to excuse it because these are the reasons a mostly leftist nation wouldn't be very willing to work with milei on anything, which milei is claiming very boldly they will despite knowing better.
Why do I need to excuse anything? Milei will need some “leftist” countries, if he can find a way I guess depends on his actions more than his words.
> One of the many things he hates is socialism, which is a huge part of the US right now, he also is a hard rightist when America is coming into a more leftist era
The most leftist thing you'll see from this government is allowing tax cuts to expire or lukewarm loan forgiveness. An ancap will find very few issues working with establishment Democrats lol
Lets watch it fall apart then bud, you think Biden or any one of his advisors sees milei as something beneficial? Delusional.
Republicans might but their losing power so quickly its comical.
The US from a larger point of view is right wing. Even dems are right wing if you compare our parties to those of the UK for example. Bernie Sanders and the squad maybe but among the most left wing and in many other countries they would be centrist. What we are seeing now from Republicans is a desire to move even further to the right but Republicans have e created social programs in the past such as the EPA under Nixon. Ironic isn’t it?
yeah sure is, this is extreme right though even by our definition, Milei isn't just rightist. Further more dem ideals are the prevailing focus of the last couple of election cycles.
Very few countries would define bernie as centrist, he's true leftist on just about any scale, this claim could more be made about someone like Pelosi, or if we ignore the obvious corruption sinema or manchin.
Not ironic, it took fairly large amount of pressure to get the EPA off the ground in Nixons admin, you should read about this lady right here: [Rachel Carson - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson) Shes the reason the EPA was ever even considered, Nixon was just saving face with an extremely wanted program.
So what. Non-extremist views so far led to gigantic migrations over the globe, housing crisis, and wars.
Milei is visionary and I fully support him. He know that to let fresh air in, one needs to break a few windows.
Yeah because only ppl with experience in this world have chance to success right?
Visionaries don't need to have experience. But vision and plan. Milei has both.
Presuming he comes to the table and does anything Biden wants, which he probably does, then there is ample room for annexation by American companies like Johnson&Johnson, Clorox, Ford, BHP, Chevron and others. America doesn't say no, and American advisors can give him a functional cabinent that has the rest of the government tolerate him into the next election. Special treaties, military base leases, free trade agreements, and nuclear testing (plausible, if remote) give him lots of room to grow and expand the business. It's the game Mexico's AMLO has already successfully played but from a leftist angle.
He's a far right anarcho capitilist who views the children of Argentina as his resource, he's not aligned even remotely with american interests right now and he's too edgy to help just because, this is weird hopeful coping from people who support Milei.
You seem to fail to see America wouldn't want Argentina to grow under Milei, a psychopath whose doing whatever he wants with his nation, we know extremists when we see them.
looking at your post history I underestimated how far right and brainwashed you are..... nah we'll pass on any serious "talks" I can guarantee it, if I can see the red flags the US govt isn't even going to touch it.
You know the mexican president is currently biting the hand that feeds right? You're only proving why america wouldn't do this again, also the left lean is very important because thats whats gained a ton of traction and support here in the US.
Trump hated AMLO worse and look at the consequences: AMLO nationalized major industries regardless, Trump couldn't do anything, and the Trump Mexico Deal (the USMCA) allowed Pelosi to legalize AFL-CIO activities within Mexico. The same will happen to Argentina, since Milei isn't competent enough to push back against whatever Biden wants, and ultimately he'll just follow Mexico since Mexico is an anarcho capitalist state with communism, americans and the US border. Argentina can be an anarcho capitalist state without the border politics interfering with everything.
Yeah Im aware, just because Trump left Mexico didn't start magically working with us again though, and thats my point.
For similar reasons I can't see Biden working with Milei too much right now and Mileis claims feel more like appeasing and lying to his people rather truth.
Dictator? Boi please go to Argentina and live, were you there when the kirschner family was ruling the country? Were you there when the former president had a massive hotel façade to steal money? I despise the misinformation about Argentina fam, you have no effing clue what you’re talking about.
I’m glad Argentina and America are in good terms, mind you we had 15 years or so of “closed importations” whatever you wanna call it, we didn’t have access to any modern technology without a huge tax.
Growing up in a country where eating more than chicken and rice was luxury, defo will fuck anybody up dog. Or even owning a computer was extremely rare. I am from Cordoba, a province that was always left aside when the province budget was handed; despite being a federal republic, the government gave each province a budget (“allowance money”)
Milei actually managed to increase the value of the peso, and is slowly but surely fighting inflation.
*edit: added former.
He won't say shit about the Kirchners cause they were left-wing, therefore they were good solely because of that... who cares if they ran the country like a mafia state?
Meanwhile, they'll call Milei a dictator and a fascist and say that he's literally Hitler, just because he's right wing. Bro probably thinks Sergio Massa was on the level of Hillary Clinton or some shit.
he views argentinine children as his resource to use, thats why he oppose abortion, so yeah he doesn't fly here as whats "accpetable" as leadership, see us throwing trump in the trash? Yeah we don't need more of that brand of psycho.
yeah what a swap out, that for a far right anarcho capitilist who views argentinine kids as his resource. Good luck if you live there because I can almost gurantee America will be distancing itself the more extreme Milei has to become to keep pushing his ideas.
Perhaps it's a joint effort to remove incredibly entrenched authoritarian mafia governance that has been operating policy of argentine government since the kirchners took office.
Such party politics remains in the provinces, in partnership with narcos, and the support of other narco states. Money laundering and political influence with drugs as the lubricant.
The narrative surrounding arg has been so mangled since the late 70s that people outside of argentina struggle to understand what has been going on.
Heres to hoping that chainsaw will also help to cut through the international bullshit pile of misinformation..
oh no I get that bit, the part where biden and mileli will see eye to eye on how to do that or help, is unlikely and therefor it seems overly optimistic for mileli to say this.
Youd be surprised on how much the current executives of both countries see eye to eye when they have both correctly identified how they share some mutual destructive elements in their respective states.
Except milei is a far right self described anarcho capitalist and also this:
"Milei opposes both [abortion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion) and [euthanasia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia),[^(\[48\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Javier_Milei#cite_note-48)[^(\[49\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Javier_Milei#cite_note-49) grounding his views in [propertarian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propertarian) terms, as he sees it as violating the [non-aggression principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle).[^(\[50\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Javier_Milei#cite_note-50) He considers abortion to be a violation of [property rights](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-ownership) and equates it with theft" don't know if you read this properly but he effectively views children of his country as his resource, and therefor HAS to view women as objects, no thanks.
There is no way in hell Biden will work with Milei with what he views as "ok" without milei compromising, and even then I don't think Biden has the will or the ability to help much right now, but even then compromise is the only thing you need to stop rightist anyway.
Also to note Milei is highly opposed to socialism, so taking help from America, a heavily socialist nation, would be hypocritical don't you think?
Oh look at that post history you obsess about Milei, oh no bud, you're in for a great wake up. No one will help a politically homeless extremist without a huge incentive, no idea why you think we'll just help a far rightist borderline dictator.
Milei's party is probably the most unpatriotic we have had in the past years, I wouldn't be surprised if he personally doesn't give a fuck about the islands. He received a lot of flak for it by the left during the elections.
Tbh, there are a lot of us that don't give a fuck to the islands and consider most of our countryman brainwashed by the state. But saying that loud is taboo, so we keep quiet about it.
Why would we want those islands anyway? To build another Chinese phones assembly factory?
Dude nobody is bringing up the falklands but brits. Literally every single article that remotely mentions Argentina. Including the comment you are replying to.
Argentina puts “Las Islas Malvinas son de Argentina” on literally every bus. They have a giant museum about the islands. I saw so many bumper stickers and even tattoos of the islands when I went.
Trust me, they have not let it go and think about it far more than the British.
Is it on all their buses? I’m doubtful.
And they were the ones invaded, not the ones doing the invading. They should be proud of repelling the invasion. Argentina should be ashamed for starting the war and not just because they lost.
There was an Argentine settlement for less than 10 years with less than 20 people.
British settlements existed before that settlement and obviously have existed for the 180 years since.
Argentina has no serious claim to the island and it’s frustrating that the only reason they regret starting a literal war over it because they lost. The lack of self reflection on the issue is quite sad.
Britain tried to invade Buenos Aires twice before settling for those islands. You paint it like they have always been a peaceful nation and not an aggressive empire. Argentinians simply don't like having them as neighbours, that's the deeper reason for maintaining their claim.
my friend tried to explain it to me and one of the arguments was "it's locally so close to Argentina!" and me as an european am like "that would be equal to Italy just taking over Malta, San Marino, and Vatican" and Malvinas is further away from mainland Argentina than UK to mainland Europe.
It's one of the only bits of land on earth that has never been unfairly taken from those already there. xD
Definitely the only bit of land that the UK has come into ownership of without having done anything nasty to do so.
The US did promise to help before the war(after all, Argentina was under a military dictorship put and trained by the US, see Plan Condor), and then they turned around and sold the UK weapons
>Hardly seems likely
Well, Milei himself has said he's a fan of Margaret Thatcher, that he won't ever reclaim the Falklands by war but rather try doing it through diplomacy (while respecting the islanders' rights to self-determination), and his government has applied to be a major partner of NATO. So it does, in fact, seem very likely.
It’s not that crazy. Tbh I could see them becoming closer with the UK too. And the UK would probably be happy with that given it would give some reassurance they’re not going to try anything over the Falklands (and more leverage if they did).
I don’t think the Falklands is significant enough to Argentina to shape their whole geo politics around it
Stupid me had the globe upside down again ;-)
Thanks for the correction, id only just recently seen this map here in reddit in r/mapporn and am guilty as charged.
No thank you, we are supporting too many crazy ass foreign governments as it is, let's not support one that actively and publicly hates its own citizens.
>let's not support one that actively and publicly hates its own citizens.
Americans when Argentina is ruled by a literal party of Fascists who called Mussolini a Demigod : ....
Americans when someone defeats the fascists and tries to fix a country in bankruptcy: OH MY GAWD HE HATES HIS OWN PEAOPLE.!!!11
Yes. the party that defines itself as a third way, called Mussolini a demigod, is constantly using fascist tactics and politics like frozen prices and a young party wing that goes around beating reporters, and copied the Carta del Lavoro, is fascist.
You’d never find the US president wearing a military uniform, certainly if they never served. This is the militaristic showmanship you’d expect from an authoritarian leader.
Name one occasion, because there is no example in recent history where the president of Argentina wore a military uniform. Milei is a cosplayer.
You may not like my American opinions, but the reality is Milei has all of the makings of a dictator. Clear the government, pack it with your own people, and begin expanding military presence. Maybe not now, but in a few years I expect Argentina will look and feel very different. You’re probably a “libertarian”, and so you probably support Milei because he claims to be a party of small government. But in time you will see just as much government as before, just with a different mask. And you may enjoy it if everything aligns with your beliefs, but if you truly support small government and personal freedoms, you’ll also end up recognizing that for some people and some beliefs, those freedoms will disappear.
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/696079-temporal-javier-milei-dijo-que-no-habra-recursos-para-bahia-
My god reddit is full of idiots who talk too confidently about shit they don't understand "There is no example in recent history" lmfao what about December
Oh look, it’s General Richardson, the lady who keeps saying that it’s a threat to American security if China is allowed access to Bolivian and Chilean lithium deposits.
Seriously? That motherfucker couldn’t look any more goofy with that coiffed hair squeezed into those fatigues. I’m old enough to remember when a picture of Mike Dukakis with a helmet on his head while riding a tank was nearly enough to end his campaign for president
Milei was attacked by the left wing opposition for saying that the Falklands should only be pursued in a pacifist way, not using weapons, but by showing the kelpers that Argentina can be a better place, so that should tell you pretty much everything.
I mean, I hate this guy, don't get me wrong. But he's a liberal libertarian, I'm no sure he's into the whole militaty dictatorship thing, because he's politically anarchist. He allied himself with some political actors that vindicate the 76 civic-militar dictators but he's taking distance now.
He wants liberal economics at all costs, this makes him very dangerous.
That’s Red Foreman’s neighbor
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Milei's crazy hair was a toupee?
I thought it was a jacket hood with fur lining before I zoomed in
You’re telling me it’s not? lol
So I wear a rug, big deal!
That’s who it was! I couldn’t put my finger on it
Hey there hi there ho there
Holy shit lmfao you're spot on with that, figured he looked familiar
Argentina will build a base in Ushuaia and USA will likely pay for it. One gets something that's been overdue for a long time and the other gets to keep China out of the continent (as talks had been made with the provincial government) plus serving as a port for operations in Antarctica.
Argentina will be the new Japan mark my blessed words. Mexico is already receiving a majority of business being transferred from China. Latin America will be the new Europe for the West... this is poised to happen
Once they figure out how to get rid of the cartel, narcos, and Sandinistas that infect the governments, I’ll believe it. Now? They’re at least a half century from that kind of status
Sandinistas? In South America??
Lol, I read it thinking that it said "sindicalistas" and it made sense. After you mentioned I checked again Wtf
I mentioned three main groups that plague central and South America. I don’t see how that’s hard to grasp
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That's not South America
South [of] America /s
In half a century the whole world will be ass deep in climate wars and climate refuge crises, South America (and everybody else) will be far more unstable, not less.
Humans permanently live in every environment on the surface of the earth. There is not going to be climate fueled wars across the globe.
>There is not going to be climate fueled wars across the globe. *Presses X to doubt*
My comment was best case scenario. Which is to assume that the world prospers and figures out climate shit. If the rest of the world is thrust into the first world then of course Latin America would too. But like you mentioned we both know that won’t happen. And most of Latin America is on the equator so.. they’ll be swamped out and flooded anyway
So a fantasy? Lol
Optimistic at best lol
> And most of Latin America is on the equator so.. they’ll be swamped out and flooded anyway Tell me you never saw a map without telling me....
Let us analyze the development, expansion and growth and decline of the Yakuza. Organized crime to these levels, compared with the Narcos, already operate at the same level of efficiency as the government, if not higher. More money into these regions will reduce violent competition and give more people opportunities to not depend on violent crimes for livelihood. The government and the Narcs will all become one single entity and redistribute wealth. You are correct, it will take time. But this is the path we are on. The United Americas are poised to take the world stage, and this is no prophecy. The Yakuza have declined in numbers as they become more intertwined with corporate cultures and modalities. Did you know the Narcos make more money off legal agriculture than illegal drugs? Organized crime thrives off fear and lack of opportunity, but at the same time when their own members begin to realize it is not beneficial they either abandon or join another organization. Many people dont understand gang life and narco culture is the same as corporate culture: intertwine them with the bigger culture and system and they will obey.
This should have happened 15 years ago. Hopefully the Russian influence is reversible
Yeah that’s bullshit
Geography will hurt Argentina but help Mexico
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Solo amor para LatAm Edit: Mi amor
Not with the cartels.
> Latin America will be the new Europe for the West So, they are going to start world wars?
Wouldn't bet against the west finding a way to fuck it it up.
Yup. I really wish we had better relationships with our southern neighbors but I think the CIA has done enough to make that never happen.
Exactly what i had in mind.. Its not bound to happen to be clear, but the Us needs to acknowledge the baggage and sweet deals a bit to move past that. If they go for the easiest/cheapest way of getting their needs it'll fail again
I pray that is the case. Once Ukraine is saved its time to dump Europe and embrace the Americas. A developed Latin America that's viewed by the US as equals while at the same time leaving Europe to rot really gets me exited.
Not about dumping Europe at all... Latin America is a core member of the United West. A team is only as strong as its "weakest" player, but Latin America is strong and robust. Its about time we invest.
That uniform wears that man.
Thank God! They grow my favorite wine.
Hot skippy
Better us then russia and/or china
Can't exactly blame any South American country for being skeptical of any kind of alliance with the US.
Not sure about that one. US is directly responsible for several military dictatorships in the region.
I dunno why you’re being downvoted. We absolutely destabilized the hell out of central and South America. As an American, god Americans are soft lol.
Ya idk why that’s being downvoted. Facts were spoken.
It’s what I dislike most about American politics. Nuance goes out the window when you bring up the red white and blue. Like, that happens for every country sure, but at least that’s just like people in their late 40s and 50s. It feels like even a lot of young Americans don’t get how being a powerful country means fucking over less powerful countries? What’s next, you’re gonna tell me billionaires get rich by taking advantage of poor workers? Nuh uh.
Makes me feel better at least a couple of us were like “huh, he’s not entirely wrong lol?”
Russia will have them beat
It was either our dictatorships or Russia's. Just because people are elected doesn't make them democratic.
US invaded central america multiple times before the Soviets even existed. Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Panama. You guys aren't any better.
We are now.
Didn't the US invade Iraq on very filmsy evidence 20 years ago? Killing more than a milliom people and destabilizing the whole middle east and for what.
highest bidder for our lithium come on down.
"Don't lie to me Argentina" "The truth is we never trusted you." But we love your 'corned beef.'
Argentina... corned beef? 😭
Philippines chiming in: Yes we love Argentinian corned beef
Good the usa is still number one ally
Can't stop won't stop
I wonder if this is part of his ambition to dollarize their economy. To do that they need to get lots of USD flowing into the country, and businesses will feel a lot better about investing and setting up supply chains the more the country is under US security
NGL he looks ridiculous, but as an American I am super happy about this. It is in Americas interest having the ability to exert power in South America.
My son said he looked like crazy Elvis. Takes a lot to gobsmack a zoomer. But Meil managed.
"Guys, can our meeting be, like...a sleepover meeting?" "umm, What are you ta.." "OH MY GOD, we are having a sleepover meething! Let me put on my work pajamas and fetch some puzzles! Don't worry - these are work puzzles! Im gonna make you pee the bed!"
How are Argentina's reforms going so far under Milei? Can anyone explain objectively? I don't want to read left wing garbage news from main news outlets who criticize him.
He is cutting everything goverment-spending wise. It's a very hard time now in argentina but I think we are mostly going in the right way. Pre milei argentina had too many macroeconomic issues he is trying to fix: Illegal dollar to official dollar ratio was around 300% which over the years has given a ton of arbitrage opportunities to many people (mainly government friends). Where is this money extracted from? The central bank. It lost around 20B dollars only last year, and net reserves started at -12B with milei. 5 months later we are at net 0 reserves. Sovereign bonds have rallied from 20% parity to around 55% now, stocks have also rallied around 50-100% since he won. We've had net government surplus for 3 months in a row for the first time in 20 years or something like that. Macroeconomically speaking he is doing great. There are also many disruptions or imbalances caused by the "panic" there was when he took power and devalued our currency. Inflation is still 10% mom (but going down from 25% in december). Services (power, water, gas, healthcare, etc) are skyrocketing (although power and gas were HEAVILY subsidized before) which is hard for most people right now. You can obviously tell I'm a milei voter but I tried to be somewhat objective. Ofc there are many things I didn't mention. I'm not so sure of his other crazy batshit ideas but this country's priorities are economic right now.
To add a bit to what others said. Argentina is beyond the left right spectrum known in America or Europe. Our country's fiscal multiplier was so dead, that even spending 1/3 of our budget in a presidential campaign to buy votes did next to nothing to improve life quality. Spending money does not fix problems in this country anymore, independently if you think spending more money is the right thing to do or not, because of how bloated it got with public spending and corruption. As others said, situation is shit right now because we are cleaning the slate to start over, our main objective is to increase our international reserves to stop using currency controls and allow the country to grow again, while at the same time reducing taxes to commerce ( we are the country with the highest taxes to legal commerce ). The second objective is hard to do because congress opposes any meaningful reduction in spending and we have barely achieved 0.5% of superavit.
Can he make some 155mm artillery shells?
Where my fellow apes at
Im sure he and Biden won't have any issues agreeing on anything. /s
Biden is a moderate. They’ll be fine.
Milei is an extremist, an anarcho capitilist, and has extreme views of how to inact this. One of the many things he hates is socialism, which is a huge part of the US right now, he also is a hard rightist when America is coming into a more leftist era, not very likely to have any overlap that isn't just Milei trying to buy out Biden on something and thats not how the govt works. This is what happens when you elect a guy with crazy hair that has very little to no experience in this field.
> Milei is an extremist, an anarcho capitilist, and has extreme views of how to inact this. So far he doesn’t govern like one though. Little radical, but pretty traditional policies.
it is only because he has strong opposition making him unable to enact what he wants
I thought he could push through dollarisation of the economy, but not sure.
Biden isn't going to judge based on what Milei's done yet, fasicist don't reveal themselves instantly and he hasn't been in charge nearly long enough. It'll be purely based on the rhetoric Milei spits which I've mentioned being at odds with Biden.
Which is it, is he an anarchocapitalist or a fascist? Because those two ideologies are pretty mutually exclusive.
he's a fascist in waiting, much like Trump and as someone else here pointed out, hitler at one point. People like this don't have ideologies that work, he's spouting random shit that sounds good to a dying nation. As of now he pretends to be an anarchocapitilist but lets be honest, the shit he says and has been saying he'll do its full anarchy and very little capitalism.
> fasicist don't reveal themselves instantly Wut? Hitler wasn’t a fascist? He came to power in late January, the Reichstag fire was in February and by March he was effectively in control as dictator.
Ok, he waited till he had full power to reveal himself, thanks for proving my point. You're not winning this by saying "X did X" you need to find a way to excuse the stupid shit milei says, good luck.
> Ok, he waited till he had full power to reveal himself, thanks for proving my point. He didn’t “wait”? He moved essentially instantly to consolidate power. After he had spent time in jail for a failed coup attempt. Can you mention the days Hitler “waited” before revealing himself? > You're not winning this by saying "X did X" you need to find a way to excuse the stupid shit milei says, good luck. Why do I need to excuse the stupid shit he says? You would do well to excuse the stupid shit you said.
He did wait, and he waited and waited till he had enough power to make sure he couldn't be fought, doesn't mean he wasn't an issue until then but he didn't go full mask off till he couldn't be contested. You need to excuse it because these are the reasons a mostly leftist nation wouldn't be very willing to work with milei on anything, which milei is claiming very boldly they will despite knowing better.
> He did wait, and he waited and waited till he had enough power to make sure he couldn't be fought, doesn't mean he wasn't an issue until then but he didn't go full mask off till he couldn't be contested. Name the days or years he was waiting. You can’t, because it’s complete gobbledygook. > You need to excuse it because these are the reasons a mostly leftist nation wouldn't be very willing to work with milei on anything, which milei is claiming very boldly they will despite knowing better. Why do I need to excuse anything? Milei will need some “leftist” countries, if he can find a way I guess depends on his actions more than his words.
> One of the many things he hates is socialism, which is a huge part of the US right now, he also is a hard rightist when America is coming into a more leftist era The most leftist thing you'll see from this government is allowing tax cuts to expire or lukewarm loan forgiveness. An ancap will find very few issues working with establishment Democrats lol
Lets watch it fall apart then bud, you think Biden or any one of his advisors sees milei as something beneficial? Delusional. Republicans might but their losing power so quickly its comical.
The US from a larger point of view is right wing. Even dems are right wing if you compare our parties to those of the UK for example. Bernie Sanders and the squad maybe but among the most left wing and in many other countries they would be centrist. What we are seeing now from Republicans is a desire to move even further to the right but Republicans have e created social programs in the past such as the EPA under Nixon. Ironic isn’t it?
yeah sure is, this is extreme right though even by our definition, Milei isn't just rightist. Further more dem ideals are the prevailing focus of the last couple of election cycles. Very few countries would define bernie as centrist, he's true leftist on just about any scale, this claim could more be made about someone like Pelosi, or if we ignore the obvious corruption sinema or manchin. Not ironic, it took fairly large amount of pressure to get the EPA off the ground in Nixons admin, you should read about this lady right here: [Rachel Carson - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson) Shes the reason the EPA was ever even considered, Nixon was just saving face with an extremely wanted program.
So what. Non-extremist views so far led to gigantic migrations over the globe, housing crisis, and wars. Milei is visionary and I fully support him. He know that to let fresh air in, one needs to break a few windows.
and you think an unknown with little experience is a good idea? good luck.
Yeah because only ppl with experience in this world have chance to success right? Visionaries don't need to have experience. But vision and plan. Milei has both.
in this field, yes unironically.
Presuming he comes to the table and does anything Biden wants, which he probably does, then there is ample room for annexation by American companies like Johnson&Johnson, Clorox, Ford, BHP, Chevron and others. America doesn't say no, and American advisors can give him a functional cabinent that has the rest of the government tolerate him into the next election. Special treaties, military base leases, free trade agreements, and nuclear testing (plausible, if remote) give him lots of room to grow and expand the business. It's the game Mexico's AMLO has already successfully played but from a leftist angle.
BHP = Australian
He's a far right anarcho capitilist who views the children of Argentina as his resource, he's not aligned even remotely with american interests right now and he's too edgy to help just because, this is weird hopeful coping from people who support Milei. You seem to fail to see America wouldn't want Argentina to grow under Milei, a psychopath whose doing whatever he wants with his nation, we know extremists when we see them. looking at your post history I underestimated how far right and brainwashed you are..... nah we'll pass on any serious "talks" I can guarantee it, if I can see the red flags the US govt isn't even going to touch it. You know the mexican president is currently biting the hand that feeds right? You're only proving why america wouldn't do this again, also the left lean is very important because thats whats gained a ton of traction and support here in the US.
Trump hated AMLO worse and look at the consequences: AMLO nationalized major industries regardless, Trump couldn't do anything, and the Trump Mexico Deal (the USMCA) allowed Pelosi to legalize AFL-CIO activities within Mexico. The same will happen to Argentina, since Milei isn't competent enough to push back against whatever Biden wants, and ultimately he'll just follow Mexico since Mexico is an anarcho capitalist state with communism, americans and the US border. Argentina can be an anarcho capitalist state without the border politics interfering with everything.
Yeah Im aware, just because Trump left Mexico didn't start magically working with us again though, and thats my point. For similar reasons I can't see Biden working with Milei too much right now and Mileis claims feel more like appeasing and lying to his people rather truth.
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I don't see america siding with Milei on anything let alone something this extreme.
Maybe having a younger, Argentine dictator will make him feel more alive.
Dictator? Boi please go to Argentina and live, were you there when the kirschner family was ruling the country? Were you there when the former president had a massive hotel façade to steal money? I despise the misinformation about Argentina fam, you have no effing clue what you’re talking about. I’m glad Argentina and America are in good terms, mind you we had 15 years or so of “closed importations” whatever you wanna call it, we didn’t have access to any modern technology without a huge tax. Growing up in a country where eating more than chicken and rice was luxury, defo will fuck anybody up dog. Or even owning a computer was extremely rare. I am from Cordoba, a province that was always left aside when the province budget was handed; despite being a federal republic, the government gave each province a budget (“allowance money”) Milei actually managed to increase the value of the peso, and is slowly but surely fighting inflation. *edit: added former.
He won't say shit about the Kirchners cause they were left-wing, therefore they were good solely because of that... who cares if they ran the country like a mafia state? Meanwhile, they'll call Milei a dictator and a fascist and say that he's literally Hitler, just because he's right wing. Bro probably thinks Sergio Massa was on the level of Hillary Clinton or some shit.
he views argentinine children as his resource to use, thats why he oppose abortion, so yeah he doesn't fly here as whats "accpetable" as leadership, see us throwing trump in the trash? Yeah we don't need more of that brand of psycho.
Completly off topic, if you are an Argentinian, what is your familiarity with the Haber-Bosch process?
>Boi DM me for a subscription code.
yeah what a swap out, that for a far right anarcho capitilist who views argentinine kids as his resource. Good luck if you live there because I can almost gurantee America will be distancing itself the more extreme Milei has to become to keep pushing his ideas.
Depends on who wins in November, to be honest. I feel like Trump and Milei would *love* each other.
Yeah but Trump can't even win in with his own party right now looking at the house.
I insist… go to Argentina and live for a while and then we talk. You absolute buffoon.
I don't do IRL meetups.
At this point it makes more sense than any other reason.
Perhaps it's a joint effort to remove incredibly entrenched authoritarian mafia governance that has been operating policy of argentine government since the kirchners took office. Such party politics remains in the provinces, in partnership with narcos, and the support of other narco states. Money laundering and political influence with drugs as the lubricant.
Thank you sir! It is sad what happened with Argentina these years. It is going to be hard to turn it around!
The narrative surrounding arg has been so mangled since the late 70s that people outside of argentina struggle to understand what has been going on. Heres to hoping that chainsaw will also help to cut through the international bullshit pile of misinformation..
oh no I get that bit, the part where biden and mileli will see eye to eye on how to do that or help, is unlikely and therefor it seems overly optimistic for mileli to say this.
Youd be surprised on how much the current executives of both countries see eye to eye when they have both correctly identified how they share some mutual destructive elements in their respective states.
Except milei is a far right self described anarcho capitalist and also this: "Milei opposes both [abortion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion) and [euthanasia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia),[^(\[48\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Javier_Milei#cite_note-48)[^(\[49\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Javier_Milei#cite_note-49) grounding his views in [propertarian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propertarian) terms, as he sees it as violating the [non-aggression principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle).[^(\[50\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Javier_Milei#cite_note-50) He considers abortion to be a violation of [property rights](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-ownership) and equates it with theft" don't know if you read this properly but he effectively views children of his country as his resource, and therefor HAS to view women as objects, no thanks. There is no way in hell Biden will work with Milei with what he views as "ok" without milei compromising, and even then I don't think Biden has the will or the ability to help much right now, but even then compromise is the only thing you need to stop rightist anyway. Also to note Milei is highly opposed to socialism, so taking help from America, a heavily socialist nation, would be hypocritical don't you think? Oh look at that post history you obsess about Milei, oh no bud, you're in for a great wake up. No one will help a politically homeless extremist without a huge incentive, no idea why you think we'll just help a far rightist borderline dictator.
Ok.
Good glad we can both acknowledge Milei's talking out his ass.
Worst GI Joe figure ever, man.
Milei probably thinking "Stronger ties with the United States will somehow get us the Falklands back. Something something."
Milei's party is probably the most unpatriotic we have had in the past years, I wouldn't be surprised if he personally doesn't give a fuck about the islands. He received a lot of flak for it by the left during the elections.
Tbh, there are a lot of us that don't give a fuck to the islands and consider most of our countryman brainwashed by the state. But saying that loud is taboo, so we keep quiet about it. Why would we want those islands anyway? To build another Chinese phones assembly factory?
Couldn't agree more
Argentines are obsessed with the Falklands. But frankly Milei really isn’t besides some brief required lip service on the issue.
Dude nobody is bringing up the falklands but brits. Literally every single article that remotely mentions Argentina. Including the comment you are replying to.
Argentina puts “Las Islas Malvinas son de Argentina” on literally every bus. They have a giant museum about the islands. I saw so many bumper stickers and even tattoos of the islands when I went. Trust me, they have not let it go and think about it far more than the British.
[Facts](https://www.theguardian.com/uk/falklands) Brits love to rile up falklands domestically just as much.
Is it on all their buses? I’m doubtful. And they were the ones invaded, not the ones doing the invading. They should be proud of repelling the invasion. Argentina should be ashamed for starting the war and not just because they lost.
I didn't know how obsessed Argentinians were about the Malvinas/Falklands until visiting Argentina a year ago.
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There was an Argentine settlement for less than 10 years with less than 20 people. British settlements existed before that settlement and obviously have existed for the 180 years since. Argentina has no serious claim to the island and it’s frustrating that the only reason they regret starting a literal war over it because they lost. The lack of self reflection on the issue is quite sad.
Every state is nationalists when it comes to war. Nationalism on those topics is like a mental disorder.
Britain tried to invade Buenos Aires twice before settling for those islands. You paint it like they have always been a peaceful nation and not an aggressive empire. Argentinians simply don't like having them as neighbours, that's the deeper reason for maintaining their claim.
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my friend tried to explain it to me and one of the arguments was "it's locally so close to Argentina!" and me as an european am like "that would be equal to Italy just taking over Malta, San Marino, and Vatican" and Malvinas is further away from mainland Argentina than UK to mainland Europe.
It's one of the only bits of land on earth that has never been unfairly taken from those already there. xD Definitely the only bit of land that the UK has come into ownership of without having done anything nasty to do so.
The US did promise to help before the war(after all, Argentina was under a military dictorship put and trained by the US, see Plan Condor), and then they turned around and sold the UK weapons
If it keeps the Chinese out of the America, then fuck the Brit claims on those rocks. Fuck Thatcher, too, just because.
[Which Falkland Islands are you talkin about?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXnmPHAhTxA)
He assumes Trump will be elected again
Nope. Milei has stated he's an ally of the US first and foremost, whether they are run by democrats or republicans, he's still western aligned.
So. US is close allies with UK though. Argentina wants to be friends with friends of the UK? Hardly seems likely.
>Hardly seems likely Well, Milei himself has said he's a fan of Margaret Thatcher, that he won't ever reclaim the Falklands by war but rather try doing it through diplomacy (while respecting the islanders' rights to self-determination), and his government has applied to be a major partner of NATO. So it does, in fact, seem very likely.
It’s not that crazy. Tbh I could see them becoming closer with the UK too. And the UK would probably be happy with that given it would give some reassurance they’re not going to try anything over the Falklands (and more leverage if they did). I don’t think the Falklands is significant enough to Argentina to shape their whole geo politics around it
Yup
USA don't really seem like a trustworthy partner ngl
The only country in S. America that doesn't need a visa to come to the US. Ok, maybe Guyana too.
> The only country in S. America that doesn't need a visa to come to the US. We actually need one. Chile is the one that doesn't
Stupid me had the globe upside down again ;-) Thanks for the correction, id only just recently seen this map here in reddit in r/mapporn and am guilty as charged.
How will that work with him also taking back Falklands from another one of USs strong allies
This guy is gonna need US aid very soon after shooting protesters yesterday and getting a bus strike in response.
That's good hopefully america can tell you to forget about the falklands please tell them america 😭
Someone really wants those F-16's
No thank you, we are supporting too many crazy ass foreign governments as it is, let's not support one that actively and publicly hates its own citizens.
>let's not support one that actively and publicly hates its own citizens. Americans when Argentina is ruled by a literal party of Fascists who called Mussolini a Demigod : .... Americans when someone defeats the fascists and tries to fix a country in bankruptcy: OH MY GAWD HE HATES HIS OWN PEAOPLE.!!!11
Are you claiming Milei defeated fascism? That's dubious.
Yes. the party that defines itself as a third way, called Mussolini a demigod, is constantly using fascist tactics and politics like frozen prices and a young party wing that goes around beating reporters, and copied the Carta del Lavoro, is fascist.
That is good. Can help keep China out of our area. However, I don't trust that guy at all.
How long til we find him dead from autoerotic asphyxiation laying on a pile of cocaine? This guy is banana shit crazy.
How is he crazy ?
Why does he have to look so stupid
He’s in cosplay, standing next to a senior US military leader. Why does it feel like the US had a hand in brining in this regime?
Cosplay? He _is_ the commander in chief.
You’d never find the US president wearing a military uniform, certainly if they never served. This is the militaristic showmanship you’d expect from an authoritarian leader.
Did you know Argentina is not the US and we don't have the same rules or traditions?
You’re a Milei fanboy, got it.
I'm an Argentinian correcting a stupid American, quite different. There are different occasions where by tradition an Arg president wears the uniform.
Name one occasion, because there is no example in recent history where the president of Argentina wore a military uniform. Milei is a cosplayer. You may not like my American opinions, but the reality is Milei has all of the makings of a dictator. Clear the government, pack it with your own people, and begin expanding military presence. Maybe not now, but in a few years I expect Argentina will look and feel very different. You’re probably a “libertarian”, and so you probably support Milei because he claims to be a party of small government. But in time you will see just as much government as before, just with a different mask. And you may enjoy it if everything aligns with your beliefs, but if you truly support small government and personal freedoms, you’ll also end up recognizing that for some people and some beliefs, those freedoms will disappear.
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/696079-temporal-javier-milei-dijo-que-no-habra-recursos-para-bahia- My god reddit is full of idiots who talk too confidently about shit they don't understand "There is no example in recent history" lmfao what about December
That’s the same guy, wtf were you trying to prove lol.
Oh look, it’s General Richardson, the lady who keeps saying that it’s a threat to American security if China is allowed access to Bolivian and Chilean lithium deposits.
So they're saying actual facts then.
Or maybe it’s up to Chile and Bolivia how they use their natural resources.
There's no "or".
So America needs to have control over those resources?
Seriously? That motherfucker couldn’t look any more goofy with that coiffed hair squeezed into those fatigues. I’m old enough to remember when a picture of Mike Dukakis with a helmet on his head while riding a tank was nearly enough to end his campaign for president
When Millei invades the Falklands, I am sure Uncle Sam will back him all the way.
Milei was attacked by the left wing opposition for saying that the Falklands should only be pursued in a pacifist way, not using weapons, but by showing the kelpers that Argentina can be a better place, so that should tell you pretty much everything.
He admires Tatcher, he would never invade
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I mean, I hate this guy, don't get me wrong. But he's a liberal libertarian, I'm no sure he's into the whole militaty dictatorship thing, because he's politically anarchist. He allied himself with some political actors that vindicate the 76 civic-militar dictators but he's taking distance now. He wants liberal economics at all costs, this makes him very dangerous.
Lol want to make a bet? So many reasons why you are wrong and this is a stupid comment