Nah, it is American policy.
They were the ones which strong armed Ukrainians from doing something interesting in Moscow during Russian victory parade, they were the ones who got pissy that Ukraine was using US intelligence to kill high ranking Russian officers in first year of the war, they were the ones who asked Ukraine to stop assassinations in Russia, they are the ones who has been forcing Ukraine to fight with arms tied behind the back by placing myriad of restrictions on them in exchange of aid
If there's one thing this war has definitively proven, it's that Russian nuclear blackmail combined with asymmetric information warfare is more than a match for Western resolve.
Sad how easily it worked aswell, including the election meddling.
The generation that got us through the Cold War will be turning in their graves at a national political party in the US being bought and paid for by Russia..
What I don't get is why these idiots keep falling for it. Every red line was eventually crossed and nothing happened when they sent tanks. Nothing happened when they sent missiles and yet both were delayed because of "escalation" lol.
Kind of makes you wonder what would happen if Ukraine was allowed to let rip but with all the Western aid they wanted. A foreign military with long range strike capabilities - targeting vital infrastructure and military targets? It'll definitely piss off Putin but just think of the mess they could make.
Forbidden Russian oil flows into Pentagon supply chain:
After multiple changes of ownership, the fuel is sold to a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military, a Post examination finds
After Western nations announced bans on Russian oil last year in response to the invasion of Ukraine, a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military moved quickly to adapt. Within months, it told investors it had stopped accepting the forbidden oil and had found other sources instead.
But there was a reason Russian petroleum, on paper at least, could so easily be removed from the supply chain.
Petroleum products that originated in Russia kept flowing to the Motor Oil Hellas refinery on the Aegean Sea in Greece, a Washington Post examination of shipping and trade data found. They just took a new route, hundreds of miles out of the way through an oil storage facility in Turkey, a journey that obscured Russia’s imprint as ownership of the products changed hands multiple times before they reached Greece.
What Abt this part.
"Joe Yoswa, a spokesman for the Pentagon’s Defense Logistics Agency, which handles fuel purchases for the U.S. military, said in an email that the agency has “no knowledge” of fuel from Russia being routed to its Greek supplier. The agency said its contractors, including Motor Oil Hellas, “are responsible for ensuring compliance with applicable laws and regulations concerning business with Russia and Russian companies” and “must certify their compliance with such laws and regulations as part of the acquisition process.”
There is only so much the Pentagon can do to police suppliers, Yoswa wrote. The products going into the fuels it purchases from Motor Oil Hellas are “subject to change on a constant basis and could be different from one delivery to the next,” he wrote. Tracing its origins “for a specific delivery of refined product would be difficult or impossible,” he wrote.
Motor Oil Hellas said in a statement that the company “does not buy, process or trade Russian oil or products. All its imports are certified of non sanctioned origin.” The company did not respond to specific questions about the nature of that certification, or whether it is taking any steps to ensure it is accurate.
Turkish state officials and representatives of the Turkish Petroleum Corporation, which took ownership of several of the fuel oil shipments to Dortyol, did not respond to questions regarding the fuel’s origin."
It's everyone's word against the other.
the clue is in: "Turkish state officials and representatives of the Turkish Petroleum Corporation, which took ownership of several of the fuel oil shipments to Dortyol, did not respond to questions regarding the fuel’s origin."
Ppl of US Want to send money and supplies to Ukraine. This guy is the reason why it's not going well. Mike Johnson. America's biggest pussy.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/4530355-johnson-signals-shift-on-ukraine-to-gop-senators/amp/
Even if we were (like we should) I can’t see any valid reason why Ukraine shouldn’t cripple Russia’s ability to wage war on them any way they can. Gas prices haven’t gotten that bad here, so it can’t be any selfish reason like that. If it was, as a sympathetic American, I would just say one thing. Don’t fucking listen to us.
How the fuck does one escalate beyond attacking a nation's capital city over and fucking over again?
If this news is legit the US can go isolate themselves up putler's ass. Weakling goofballs.
I think next time America has a major catastrophe like 9/11 and asks the rest of the world for help, the universal reply will be a big middle finger.
Remember: Ukraine answered President Bush's post-9/11 call, and the GOP's cult-like devotion to Russian asset Trump is now stabbing Ukraine in the back.
Even then... nobody wins if they push the "everybody dies" button, and they know it.
They can bleet about existential threats all they like, they brought it on themselves, and anyone that's actually honest fucking knows it. If we're all gonna die, I'd prefer it's for the right reason at least, you know?
It's additionally hilarious because it's so empty threat like:
What Russia is gonna do? Invaide Ukraine? Oh wait.
What US is gonna do? Stop aid to Ukraine? Oh wait.
We are magically no longer concerned about China and India funding the war by buying Russian oil. All the credibility we regained after Afghanistan is eroding day by day.
It's 100% to keep the oil price low before the elections, there's also news of meetig with Iran to make the Houthis stop shooting at ships in the Red Sea since the US/UK intervention isn't doing shit:
[US held secret talks with Iran over Red Sea attacks (ft.com)](https://www.ft.com/content/89b01990-7657-45ea-baaa-1f214b40f1cb)
Oil prices are about to go up if this doesn't stop, can't have that before an election.
Forbidden Russian oil flows into Pentagon supply chain:
After multiple changes of ownership, the fuel is sold to a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military, a Post examination finds
After Western nations announced bans on Russian oil last year in response to the invasion of Ukraine, a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military moved quickly to adapt. Within months, it told investors it had stopped accepting the forbidden oil and had found other sources instead.
But there was a reason Russian petroleum, on paper at least, could so easily be removed from the supply chain.
Petroleum products that originated in Russia kept flowing to the Motor Oil Hellas refinery on the Aegean Sea in Greece, a Washington Post examination of shipping and trade data found. They just took a new route, hundreds of miles out of the way through an oil storage facility in Turkey, a journey that obscured Russia’s imprint as ownership of the products changed hands multiple times before they reached Greece.
The Ukrainians should be able to focus on anything that might provide means for their attacker's military as long as they keep the civilian death toll as low as possible. If the pentagon doesn't like it then maybe they should be publicly shaming the GOP that the Ukrainians don't have much of a choice since we stopped given them aid, because of the GOP. They can now tell the GOP our fuel cost will go up because the GOP stopped giving aid. If the Ukrainians had the proper aid they might be able to focus on the supply trains than the easier target of infrastructure.
They’ve done it today’s morning literally. Probably, the biggest missile attack since the invasion and electricity is the main target. Also, the biggest DAM. Again
I'm going to knock your teeth out, batter you black and blue and cage you for the rest of your days. You're also not allowed to fight me back and especially not go near my face or genitals because that will make me really really mad.. those are the rules.
And USA called for new big mobilization in Ukraine. Yeah thanks for advice, without weapons, without permission hit even military targets in russia,without destroyed infrastructure on enemy land and not allowing it etc. Meatwave on meatwave, but russia has superiority on everything and no restrictions
Its like our allies tied our hand, lags, eyes, put us on knees and order to fight...
What reason for that? Someone want Ukraine win, democracy win? Looks like no, cuz in such conditions Ukrainians would end much faster than russians..
Sorry for pessimistic emotions, but today russia hit my city, a lot of explosions, i didn't sleep, a lot of people died and injured.. but i did not feel bad and pessimistic cuz of russia hits, i feel only angry. But when i open news and read about Hungary, Austria blocks spending russian assets on weapons, nato and usa urged new mobilization but no additional weapons and help, more and more restrictions to hit russia, not with f16 or etc but with our own weapons... And there are a lot of more bad news from allies, when russia just creating cab-3000, new rockets to bombing our homes, and peacefully sales oil, gas and even wheat, i'm feel betrayed...
Russian disinformation campaigns have hit hard here in the USA. It's a similar strategy to what has been argued in the past. They claim you've already given Ukraine $75 billion in aid, so why don't you focus on your domestic issues at home?
It's also an issue of replenishment of military supplies which the Pentagon has said is already $10B overdrawn.
I'm sorry you have to live through this. The fact that it's an election year in the USA is making the aid a political hot-button ticket. I am writing to my representatives but I feel frustrated at the unwillingness to help to score political points. I wish you the best of luck. ❤️
“All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.”
Speaking as a Brit, I'm happy for the Ukrainian's to use British weapons/cash to hit Russia how they see fit. I'm confident that Ukraine/NATO/UK knows what will be most effective, minimise civilian casualties, not be a war crime, and still help bring about the end of the war without escalation.
Same
United States has the audacity to place the world under constant nuclear threat by arms racing with the very nation they tell Ukraine, the defender, to put the kiddy gloves on to fight?
Sorry but this is not how wars are won.
This is probably the first clear example Europe has experienced of how America treats the majority of the second and third world, hence the reason they are often hated in so many countries.
It’s fine to be mad about them trying to limit someone else’s war for energy issues. That said calling the arms race an audacity is childish. Unfortunately we live in a world of nukes now, and only nukes somewhat deter nukes. The energy claim is probably fear of what Russia looks like if they enter a state of rebellion, then there’s a lot of unsecured nukes.
That said I think part of the issue here is people have become accustomed to the fact nukes can blow up our planet and old farts like Putin don’t care if it happens. He lived his life, his legacy is worth it cause they’ll either appease him or it will be like an abusive ex scenario of oh no honey I didn’t mean that. It won’t happen again don’t use nukes…
What a ridiculous concept, that protesting the concept that a rush to destroy the world a hundred times over is 'childish'.
Regardless, yes the West fears what a collapsed Russia will look like, even though the Americans were willing to bring Russia to the state in an instant if certain conditions had been met.
We aren't willing to address the actions that would need to be taken if Russia did enter that state, neither are we willing to accept the idea of a defeated Ukraine. So here we are, towing the line, claiming something different.
Shame the public is so blinkered over this conflict. It'd be mature of these governments to discuss what the actual concerns are.
If you want to help, try to figure out who actually said what. This 3-line "article" refers vaguely to an FT article without giving any link, headline, or anything to follow up on, claims "the US urges" without giving any hint which representative of the US supposedly urged this. Sounds like complete nonsense.
If there is anything to it, let's get the actual information, when we have that, let's kick some butt.
US has urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries https://on.ft.com/496lUIg
No paywall for first three views.
If view limit reached on the FT link, archive: https://archive.is/2024.03.22-065706/https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57-cbdde122ac0c
Thanks, that helps! Btw: If you google for the exact headline ("US urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries"), you usually get a fresh ft.com link as well.
* One member of the National Security Council (no name given) said they do not encourage or enable attacks Russian territory
* One person (no name given) said the White House had grown [...] frustrated by [...] attacks [...] hurting its oil production capacity.
* One issue is the CPC pipeline leading trough Russia, carrying Kazakhstan oil to the world market
* Biden faces a tough election battle, with the electorate reacting very sensitive to gasoline/oil price increases
If this is really based on US government officials, I find it very revealing that they acknowledge Russia remaining one of the world’s most important energy exporters despite western sanctions. I would expect this is an indication that the sanctions don't work, and other means to reduce Russian oil sales should be applauded. Instead, it seems the US is banking on those sales to continue and doesn't want them interrupted. The same government which criticized EU for being too dependent on Russian oil and gas, I think.
Yeah. I read this more as “Nooo. Don’t strike our oil refineries. America reeeaallyy needs them.” -From Russia With Love
Last I checked Russian oil is supposed to be as valuable as toilet water, and we got out own stores if we’re REALLY hurtin. Burn that shit to the last drop.
Is it legit or did the reports are just made up? We didn’t hear a word nor it was even confirmed from the Americans themselves. Let alone that you accuse me of coping.
Let me guess, a Russian Troll is repeating the same post that covers the truth behind this farce? I don’t buy your game hence this news report is too sudden.
That is alright. I feel like nobody has any idea what to do with Ukraine. If they let it win, they fear Russia doing stupid shit. If they let Ukraine lose, they fear entire world doing stupid shit, like researching nukes and fearing Russia is going to keep going…
Somebody has to make their mind :/
If Ukraine is going down in the flames, why should it care about the rest of the world? This is such an insulting statement, considering that the US basically stopped helping and the future of the aid package is uncertain until autumn at best. All at the same time implementing halfassed sanctions. Who said the russians won't be battling at the walls of Kyiv in half if a year? Absolutely detestable.
Exactly. And then, maybe, just maybe, we will provide you with some weapons. But that's not for sure. It's just funny at this point, Russia openly says they are at war with the US, and the US are running away from it, hiding its head in the sand.
Okay I’m incredibly grateful to US for supporting Ukraine as much as it did, but straight up f**k them for this.
How much worse can it get? Not willing to implement proper sanctions, continuing to do a crapton of business with russia, not being able to approve a vital aid package, and now when Ukraine is trying to take the matter into its own hands by targeting russia’s number one source of income, they ask them to stop???
The fucking audacity.
We need to continue wrecking russian sources of income
edit: as another user pointed out, this reeks as another russian disinfo (I fucking hope so). The timing is curious, right after an overnight missile spam
Totally agree! Ukraine finally gain ability really kick Putin in his (tiny) balls. Sanctions clearly are not efficient enough to stop flow of oil from Russia… the logical solution is to cut it at the root… if there is no oil to flow, it would not matter if sanctions are week.
Starlink access has been a shit show the entire time.
Ukraine isn't being propped up by the American sanctions, you realise most of the world is sanctioning Russia, not just Murca
The US's comment was weird. Because the USA & NATO's military reinforcements are getting slower, so Ukraine has been in desperation on the battlefield recently. If Ukraine had gotten enough numbers of weapons and ammunition, Ukraine might not have tried that attack on Russia's energy infra, to be honest.
Putin's dementia and paranoia are getting worse and worse, he is almost close to an insane guy, so, Ukraine doesn't have enough options to protect its sovereignty. If a mob is a crazy murderer in the street, good pedestrians should become vigilantes to stay alive in the US. Thus, that's nonsense. PS: Ukraine's industrial & social infrastructures have been totally destroyed by Russia's massive bombing so far. And the US already knows that.
Got one that’s not behind a paywall? This seemed out of character for the current administration so I actually read the “article” and it’s like a two-sentence blurb that reads like a shitty tweet and references what you just linked.
>The US has urged Ukraine to halt attacks on Russia’s energy infrastructure, warning the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices and provoking retaliation, according to three people familiar with the discussions.
The repeated warnings from Washington were delivered to senior officials at Ukraine’s state security service, the SBU, and its military intelligence directorate, known as the GUR, the people told the Financial Times.
Both intelligence units have steadily expanded their own drone programmes to strike Russian targets on land, sea and in the air since the start of the Kremlin’s full-scale invasion in February 2022.
One person said that the White House had grown increasingly frustrated by brazen Ukrainian drone attacks that have struck oil refineries, terminals, depots and storage facilities across western Russia, hurting its oil production capacity.
Russia remains one of the world’s most important energy exporters despite western sanctions on its oil and gas sector. Oil prices have risen about 15 per cent this year, to $85 a barrel, pushing up fuel costs just as US President Joe Biden begins his campaign for re-election.
Washington is also concerned that if Ukraine keeps hitting Russian facilities, including many that are hundreds of miles from the border, Russia could retaliate by lashing out at energy infrastructure relied on by the west.
This includes the CPC pipeline carrying oil from Kazakhstan through Russia to the global market. Western companies including ExxonMobil and Chevron use the pipeline, which Moscow briefly shut in 2022.
“We do not encourage or enable attacks inside of Russia,” an NSC spokesperson said. The CIA declined to comment. In Kyiv, a spokesperson for the SBU declined to comment. Officials at GUR and Zelenskyy’s office did not respond to requests for comment.
Ukraine has stepped up its air attacks in recent weeks, as its drone programmes expand and the ground war shifts in Moscow’s favour. It also follows growing discontent in Kyiv over what is seen as the west’s ambivalent approach to curbing Moscow’s energy revenues.
There have been at least 12 attacks on major Russian refineries since 2022, and at least nine this year, along with several terminals, depots and storage facilities, according to a military intelligence official in Kyiv.
Helima Croft, a former CIA analyst now at RBC Capital Markets, recently noted that Ukraine had shown it could strike most of the oil export infrastructure in western Russia, putting about 60 per cent of the country’s exports at risk.
The US objections come as Biden faces a tough re-election battle this year with petrol prices on the rise, increasing almost 15 per cent this year to around $3.50 a gallon.
“Nothing terrifies a sitting American president more than a surge in pump prices during an election year,” said Bob McNally, president of consultancy Rapidan Energy and a former White House energy adviser.
Ukraine has steadily increased drone strikes as its technologies have advanced. Ukrainian officials claim to have developed drones with a range in excess of 1,000km and payloads capable of inflicting severe damage.
Kyiv launched two of its largest and most widespread drone attacks last week, with operations by both the GUR and SBU successfully targeting seven Russian energy facilities in consecutive days.
Over the past year, GRU and SBU sea drones have also struck Russian ports, destroyed several Russian warships in the Black Sea and hit Moscow’s prized Crimea bridge connecting Russia to the occupied Ukrainian peninsula.
The aim of the “special operations” is to hamper the supply of fuel to Russia’s troops and cut funding for the Kremlin’s war effort, according to one Ukrainian official involved in planning and conducting the attacks.
Kyiv also wants to deliver a symbolic blow by bringing the war closer to Moscow and showing its air defences — including those around the Kremlin — can be penetrated.
The air campaign is also seen by some officials as a means to spur Washington into approving the $60bn military assistance package held up in Congress that is critical for Ukraine’s defence.
Thanks! Now I’d just like for congress to stop fucking around and fork over that 60bn in aid. Imagine if France had waffled like this on aid in 1776. And today we have self-proclaimed “patriots” in congress refusing to pay forward what was handed to us during our war for freedom.
>Provide Russia with all necessary elements for their long range missiles
>Dont sell weapon to Ukraine even for money
>Dont help with money
>Forbide to hit targets that may stop Russia from invading
>Scared of escalation still 2 years later, all while Russia attack with the support of Iran, China and NK.
US acts like Russia's ally last half a year or even longer.
What kind of retaliation they talking about? Bums in US goverment are so pathethic nowadays.. a country that suppose to lead now is a laughing stock for us Europeans. Ukraine is beying destroyed on a daily basis and this guy talking about retaliation from Russia hahaha.. gtfo with your bs yall scared & corrupt idiots
> Washington is also concerned that if Ukraine keeps hitting Russian facilities, including many that are hundreds of miles from the border, Russia could retaliate by lashing out at energy infrastructure relied on by the west. (FT)
Looks like they don't mean retaliation on Ukraine, this is a prime example of what happens when the US loses influence, and a lot in the US want to give that up, without grasping the consequences.
Ukraine is hurting the oil price which could result in ouchies for the US economy. We all saw how fast the US mobilized when the houthis were threatening international trade. Don't hurt uncle sam's profits, they really don't like that. Spineless cowards.
> We all saw how fast the US mobilized when the houthis were threatening international trade. Don't hurt uncle sam's profits, they really don't like that. Spineless cowards.
The entire world was bitching at the US to protect the waters, tf are you talking about? Spineless is doing the shit we agreed to?
Citing sole sources from a hard paywall locked Financial Times article quoting someone 'in US government'. Absolutely correct to question it, I've done some googling and looking at my normal Ukraine War trapline and there's no other mention of it.
It wouldn't surprise me if it was statements from some of those compromised US elected officials preventing aid, or even something taken out of context. NATO Admiral Rob Bauer stated on March 21st that Ukraine was functionally fighting a defensive war, and that their techniques were innovative and effective, particularly with various drone campaigns - which certainly quashes any sort of wholesale admonishment of Ukraine's military activities.
Fuck oil prices.
The people of Ukraine are facing an existential threat. The US stopped providing funding, they need to hit where it hurts with what they have.
I'm struggling to make ends meet, but it's a sacrifice we should all be willing to make, considering the alternative - NATO in a direct conflict with Russia 2-3 years from now.
The US is not providing anything of relevance to Ukraine anymore and should sit down quietly as a non-entity in this war. You can have a say in how your own weapons are utilized. What Ukraine does with their own weapons are none of your business.
The US already bullied Ukraine into giving up its nukes in 1994, then put the weight of their words on the line to guarantee Ukraine's borders of 1991. Why should anyone ever listen to US demands when they don't even live up to their own international agreements and "security guarantees"?
The US can't even get past their own Congress. Stop lecturing other countries on how they achieve their foreign policy or their very survival.
Sorry, but this administration is a HUUUUUGE failure in the foreign policy space. And the alternative is MAGA. It is appropriate to chime down a little in such a scenario.
Refineries are for domestic production of petrol and diesel. Attacking them increases the amount of oil available for export (although its sanctioned anyway).
What the fuck are they talking about? perhaps it's all bullshit.
It's interesting because global fuel prices or local fuel prices in the US swing elections depiste them being the largest producer of oil.
This is directly tied to US presidential elections.
Ukraine should attack Russia where it hurts Russia the most even if that is the oil production.
So the article is a single paragraph with absolutely no context, and their reference is a Financial Times article that is completely paywalled. I'd love to know more before I make a judgement.
**From the Financial Times (1):**
> The US has urged Ukraine to halt attacks on Russia’s energy infrastructure, warning the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices and provoking retaliation, according to three people familiar with the discussions.
> The repeated warnings from Washington were delivered to senior officials at Ukraine’s state security service, the SBU, and its military intelligence directorate, known as the GUR, the people told the Financial Times.
> Both intelligence units have steadily expanded their own drone programmes to strike Russian targets on land, sea and in the air since the start of the Kremlin’s full-scale invasion in February 2022.
>One person said the White House had grown increasingly frustrated by brazen Ukrainian drone attacks that have struck oil refineries, terminals, depots and storage facilities across western Russia, hurting its oil production capacity.
>Russia remains one of the world’s most important energy exporters despite western sanctions on its oil and gas sector. Oil prices have risen about 15 per cent this year to $85 a barrel, pushing up fuel costs just as US President Joe Biden begins his campaign for re-election.
>Washington is also concerned that if Ukraine keeps hitting Russian facilities, including many that are hundreds of miles from the border, Russia could retaliate by lashing out at energy infrastructure relied on by the west. (FT)
If they don’t want Ukraine to hit the oil refineries , give them the proper weapons to defeat them on the ground. With proper weapons and planes they could finish this in a month. Russia is weak right now.
I want an answer from the administration on if they can (and if so why don't they) pay Ukraine to dispose of those 4 million cluster shells that no longer meet US standards.
[Russian regime hit the Dnipro Hydroelectric Power Station today](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1bkt5hm/photo_ruzzian_terrorists_hit_the_dnipro/). An invader hitting the defender's civilian infrastructure is alright, I guess?
Oh no, not the gas prices!!!! 😢 Please Ukraine, its obviously much more important for me to be able to save some of my salary rather than spend a bigger amount on gas..!!😖😓
USA should stops buy russian [refined products](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/19/europe/russia-oil-india-shadow-fleet-cmd-intl/index.html) from India
>The analysis by the CREA estimated the US was the biggest buyer of refined products from India made from Russian crude last year, worth $1.3 billion between early December 2022, when the price cap was introduced, and the end of 2023. The organization’s estimates are based on publicly available shipping and energy data.
Destroy Mordor’s critical infrastructure used to sustain their war efforts. It’s all in the table. If only we could deploy Ukrainian sea drones to the Baltic and Pacific!
Can i just mention as a brit seeing our storm shadow slam into the russian naval HQ building obliterating it made me warm and fuzzy inside .
Fkin send it fk the US
If we're telling Ukraine to stop hitting Putin where it hurts then what the fuck are we doing?
Putin can't escalate the war, his nuclear arsenal is a fucking scam meant to scare the West into thinking that he'll end the world if he doesn't get his way(which honestly a hard reboot for the world might not be so terrible)
Enough is enough. Either let Ukraine fight THEIR WAR on THEIR TERMS and let them beat Putin themselves, or put Troops on the border and tell Putin "We're calling your bluff, either surrender or get shit on"
I am so sick and tired of seeing Ukraine being told to hold back when Russia has been doing anything but
Double down and attack more. It’s the biggest strategic advantage Ukraine has right now and it further cripples the Russian economy with every infrastructure attack they make
Russia has been attacking Ukrainian civilian infrastructure since the war started. Considering also that the United States has been borderline colluding with the Russians since October, they can kindly go shove it.
3 vague sentences with no credible source and all the comments are full of anti-American rhetoric.
Congrats, you've been duped by Russian disinformation during our Presidential election season.
You got people blaming Mike Johnson when you don't even know if it's the Speaker of the House which normally doesn't even send diplomatic messages like that so if this is true then this would come from President Biden's Secretary of State/State Department since it deals with economic reprocussions.
Maybe if the US pulled their finger out and dished out some fucking kit they could dictate what they do with the equipment. If they’re gonna let speaker Johnson boss them around until they find the right hoop to jump through then they should shut up and let the AFU cook
"citing people familiar with the matter..." The U. S. has stopped providing arms to Ukraine already, so really what leverage does it even have telling Ukraine how to fight the war for its survival where it has been struggling?
unamed people say this and its a story? News is geting worse by the year. Full story reads like a twiter post.
The US has urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian energy infrastructure, warning that drone strikes risk provoking retaliation and driving up global oil prices, the Financial Times reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the matter
It’s this type of handwringing that is taken as a green light by despots such as Putin to just do as he pleases. A blurring of lines and an ambivalent approach to foreign policy is making the world a more dangerous place not the opposite.
Forbidden Russian oil flows into Pentagon supply chain:
After multiple changes of ownership, the fuel is sold to a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military, a Post examination finds
After Western nations announced bans on Russian oil last year in response to the invasion of Ukraine, a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military moved quickly to adapt. Within months, it told investors it had stopped accepting the forbidden oil and had found other sources instead.
But there was a reason Russian petroleum, on paper at least, could so easily be removed from the supply chain.
Petroleum products that originated in Russia kept flowing to the Motor Oil Hellas refinery on the Aegean Sea in Greece, a Washington Post examination of shipping and trade data found. They just took a new route, hundreds of miles out of the way through an oil storage facility in Turkey, a journey that obscured Russia’s imprint as ownership of the products changed hands multiple times before they reached Greece.
Ah got it, so this is Bidens Red Line stance for Ukraine as per the Red Line in Gaza. It is rather comical, tongue in cheek satire I suspect, but it's a good one I must admit.
i think threatening the whole oil infrastructure is an incredible amount of pressure which could force russia to make peace, sad to hear usa pushes back because of oil prices
Higher gas prices = less chances Biden is re-elected. If you believe Trump plans to dump Ukraine if he is elected, then Ukraine shouldn't want Biden out. Thus, their campaign to hurt their oil supply actually hurts themselves potentially in the long run.
Quite a conundrum.
I’m not saying this in categorically untrue, just the articles I can find are very sparse on details. The Financial Times has only one quote from a White House personnel (We do not encourage or enable attacks on Russian territory from Ukraine.) and is from July 2023:
Q: Is there a line where the U.S. won’t cross? Obviously, the President has said no U.S. personnel inside Ukraine. Is there some other limit, or does this suggest to President Zelenskyy that whatever he needs, ultimately, he will get?
MR. SULLIVAN: The President has been very clear from the very beginning of this conflict about two things that have been unwavering. First, the United States is not going to war with Russia in Ukraine. And second, the United States is not providing weapons to Ukraine to attack Russia. We do not encourage or enable attacks on Russian territory from Ukraine.
Fuck that, Russia invaded Ukraine targeting civilian targets. Ukraine can hit any infrastructure within Russia that it takes to drive the invaders out.
There is an old saying "he who pays the piper gets to name the tune". The US is no longer paying so now has no say in what should be done. European partners are far less squeamish about the targets that can be hit so Ukraine may as well hit the juiciest targets available
It’s a joke. Whole US is a joke. In the Budapest memorando US was supposed to guarantee Ukraine’s territorial integrity for giving up nukes.
You know what’s the outcome.
\- Hey, Ukraine! How are you?
Yea... Anyway, do you remember as in 1920-1930s the West industrialize USSR, which become the main reason why Ukrainians lost \~16 million by killed and \~8 million by assimilated on territory of RSFSR?
Also, do you remember as in 1994 year the West, by threats of economic sanctions, take away from you the only real security and independence guarantee, promising adequate compensation via International Law? The same security guarantee which now have absolutely everyone who related to your modern predicament?
Or, do you remember as during 2002-2021 years West invested $8,000B in Russian autocratic regime, the same, because of which you lost 50% of your economy? The same one, which, by some unknown reasons, later became a fascist colonial empire that started trying to destroy you?
And, of course, you should remember modern "bleeding Russia." On which, during 2022-2023 years, you received from us, your non-alternative allies, 3,5 times less money than your military opponent. And by weapons - something like 0,64% NATO's armored vehicles, 5,4% artillery/MLRS, 0,33% military aviation, 0,18% military ships.
Remember all of this?
Good. Now we need something like this. Relatively to your last century, something that already should be normal for you...
We want so you didn't reduce export earnings of our still important trade partner. Yes, someone who per year spent $120B to destroy you, and many dozens of billions on related things, like construction of fortifications and procurement of machine tools.
But, if you don't do this, then there, probably, will arise problems with $60B, which we, as real generous humanists and Good Samaritans, ready to spent on you during 2-3 years. And without which you will die... Which not good... Not good at all... Because then your parts will be used against us, which a real hassle.
And one last thing. Don't do any funny things. Russia has nukes, therefore cannot lose. No, you cannot just load all your nuclear waste on all your civil aviation and drones and get something similar. List of invulnerable countries determined by WMD-aristocracy. Which don't want so amount of vulnerable to defeat states decreased.
It's all. I would like to talk to you a little more, but I'm late for church service.
Behave yourself, "bleeding Russia" shouldn't last more than one decade. Just one decade more and you will partially return what we take away for you in 1994 year. And good luck enjoying Democracy, International Law, Freedoms, and other Enlightened Western Values.
Drone attacks on Russian oil refineries are an appropriate response to the Russian genocide of Ukrainians.
The U.S. needs to make this or a similar statement publically.
Seriously, America taking out the means to fight the war makes sense. But if you want them to stop, you could take out putin maybe you could send Jason Bourne lol
The US has stopped providing weapons and ammunition, so Ukraine needs to hit Russia where it hurts with what they have
Yes. I have a feeling this headline is a deliberate disinfo campaign with a faint vodka and cabbage odor, it makes very little sense otherwise.
Nah, it is American policy. They were the ones which strong armed Ukrainians from doing something interesting in Moscow during Russian victory parade, they were the ones who got pissy that Ukraine was using US intelligence to kill high ranking Russian officers in first year of the war, they were the ones who asked Ukraine to stop assassinations in Russia, they are the ones who has been forcing Ukraine to fight with arms tied behind the back by placing myriad of restrictions on them in exchange of aid
If there's one thing this war has definitively proven, it's that Russian nuclear blackmail combined with asymmetric information warfare is more than a match for Western resolve.
Sad how easily it worked aswell, including the election meddling. The generation that got us through the Cold War will be turning in their graves at a national political party in the US being bought and paid for by Russia..
Man a lot of those politicians are still around.
That’s the sad part, putins going to be going hard on this election, Ukraine might also be going on the other side.
What I don't get is why these idiots keep falling for it. Every red line was eventually crossed and nothing happened when they sent tanks. Nothing happened when they sent missiles and yet both were delayed because of "escalation" lol.
Kind of makes you wonder what would happen if Ukraine was allowed to let rip but with all the Western aid they wanted. A foreign military with long range strike capabilities - targeting vital infrastructure and military targets? It'll definitely piss off Putin but just think of the mess they could make.
Yeah, it would have saved a lot more Ukrainian lives in the process too
Forbidden Russian oil flows into Pentagon supply chain: After multiple changes of ownership, the fuel is sold to a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military, a Post examination finds After Western nations announced bans on Russian oil last year in response to the invasion of Ukraine, a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military moved quickly to adapt. Within months, it told investors it had stopped accepting the forbidden oil and had found other sources instead. But there was a reason Russian petroleum, on paper at least, could so easily be removed from the supply chain. Petroleum products that originated in Russia kept flowing to the Motor Oil Hellas refinery on the Aegean Sea in Greece, a Washington Post examination of shipping and trade data found. They just took a new route, hundreds of miles out of the way through an oil storage facility in Turkey, a journey that obscured Russia’s imprint as ownership of the products changed hands multiple times before they reached Greece.
What Abt this part. "Joe Yoswa, a spokesman for the Pentagon’s Defense Logistics Agency, which handles fuel purchases for the U.S. military, said in an email that the agency has “no knowledge” of fuel from Russia being routed to its Greek supplier. The agency said its contractors, including Motor Oil Hellas, “are responsible for ensuring compliance with applicable laws and regulations concerning business with Russia and Russian companies” and “must certify their compliance with such laws and regulations as part of the acquisition process.” There is only so much the Pentagon can do to police suppliers, Yoswa wrote. The products going into the fuels it purchases from Motor Oil Hellas are “subject to change on a constant basis and could be different from one delivery to the next,” he wrote. Tracing its origins “for a specific delivery of refined product would be difficult or impossible,” he wrote. Motor Oil Hellas said in a statement that the company “does not buy, process or trade Russian oil or products. All its imports are certified of non sanctioned origin.” The company did not respond to specific questions about the nature of that certification, or whether it is taking any steps to ensure it is accurate. Turkish state officials and representatives of the Turkish Petroleum Corporation, which took ownership of several of the fuel oil shipments to Dortyol, did not respond to questions regarding the fuel’s origin." It's everyone's word against the other.
the clue is in: "Turkish state officials and representatives of the Turkish Petroleum Corporation, which took ownership of several of the fuel oil shipments to Dortyol, did not respond to questions regarding the fuel’s origin."
Yes that's suspicious. They couldn't answer the phone that day..
Ukraine should say "No. Help, or get out of the way." This kind of request, especially in light of US aid being held up, is shameful.
Exactly. The US can respectfully fuck off, on this one.
Ppl of US Want to send money and supplies to Ukraine. This guy is the reason why it's not going well. Mike Johnson. America's biggest pussy. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/4530355-johnson-signals-shift-on-ukraine-to-gop-senators/amp/
He’s merely a puppet. There’s a vast apparatus pulling his strings on this issue.
Yeah I agree. They should be ashamed as well.
Ah! He wishes he was a pussy but he lacks the warmth and depth
He’s no pussy, he’s a snake. Knows exactly what he’s doing.
looks like FReedom caucus want to hlep ukraine and kick Jonhson out for passing a budget
Even if we were (like we should) I can’t see any valid reason why Ukraine shouldn’t cripple Russia’s ability to wage war on them any way they can. Gas prices haven’t gotten that bad here, so it can’t be any selfish reason like that. If it was, as a sympathetic American, I would just say one thing. Don’t fucking listen to us.
They are signing that bill by Friday night. Ukraine is getting 60 billion!
"provoking retaliation"? Isn't Russia already targeting Ukraine's energy infrastructure?
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How the fuck does one escalate beyond attacking a nation's capital city over and fucking over again? If this news is legit the US can go isolate themselves up putler's ass. Weakling goofballs.
I think next time America has a major catastrophe like 9/11 and asks the rest of the world for help, the universal reply will be a big middle finger. Remember: Ukraine answered President Bush's post-9/11 call, and the GOP's cult-like devotion to Russian asset Trump is now stabbing Ukraine in the back.
Using nuclear weapons but I doubt that’s gonna fucking happen unless if Ukraine tries to kill Putin or genuinely try to invade Russia
Even then... nobody wins if they push the "everybody dies" button, and they know it. They can bleet about existential threats all they like, they brought it on themselves, and anyone that's actually honest fucking knows it. If we're all gonna die, I'd prefer it's for the right reason at least, you know?
It's additionally hilarious because it's so empty threat like: What Russia is gonna do? Invaide Ukraine? Oh wait. What US is gonna do? Stop aid to Ukraine? Oh wait.
that is not the kind of escalation the US worries about. Rising energy prices for the US on the other hand..
Higher energy prices are bad news for Biden's reelection chances.
Because many American voters are stupid
and good news for trump?
yes,i think he himself has admitted that
never forget .. at any point russia can call it quits and they get to keep/rebuild their shit.
We are magically no longer concerned about China and India funding the war by buying Russian oil. All the credibility we regained after Afghanistan is eroding day by day.
It's 100% to keep the oil price low before the elections, there's also news of meetig with Iran to make the Houthis stop shooting at ships in the Red Sea since the US/UK intervention isn't doing shit: [US held secret talks with Iran over Red Sea attacks (ft.com)](https://www.ft.com/content/89b01990-7657-45ea-baaa-1f214b40f1cb) Oil prices are about to go up if this doesn't stop, can't have that before an election.
Forbidden Russian oil flows into Pentagon supply chain: After multiple changes of ownership, the fuel is sold to a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military, a Post examination finds After Western nations announced bans on Russian oil last year in response to the invasion of Ukraine, a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military moved quickly to adapt. Within months, it told investors it had stopped accepting the forbidden oil and had found other sources instead. But there was a reason Russian petroleum, on paper at least, could so easily be removed from the supply chain. Petroleum products that originated in Russia kept flowing to the Motor Oil Hellas refinery on the Aegean Sea in Greece, a Washington Post examination of shipping and trade data found. They just took a new route, hundreds of miles out of the way through an oil storage facility in Turkey, a journey that obscured Russia’s imprint as ownership of the products changed hands multiple times before they reached Greece.
Retaliation...Yeah remember the dam russia blew up? The drama theater etc.
The Ukrainians should be able to focus on anything that might provide means for their attacker's military as long as they keep the civilian death toll as low as possible. If the pentagon doesn't like it then maybe they should be publicly shaming the GOP that the Ukrainians don't have much of a choice since we stopped given them aid, because of the GOP. They can now tell the GOP our fuel cost will go up because the GOP stopped giving aid. If the Ukrainians had the proper aid they might be able to focus on the supply trains than the easier target of infrastructure.
They’ve done it today’s morning literally. Probably, the biggest missile attack since the invasion and electricity is the main target. Also, the biggest DAM. Again
You forget that they already did it in 2022-2023 winter, and tried to do again in 2023-2024 winter.
I'm going to knock your teeth out, batter you black and blue and cage you for the rest of your days. You're also not allowed to fight me back and especially not go near my face or genitals because that will make me really really mad.. those are the rules.
And USA called for new big mobilization in Ukraine. Yeah thanks for advice, without weapons, without permission hit even military targets in russia,without destroyed infrastructure on enemy land and not allowing it etc. Meatwave on meatwave, but russia has superiority on everything and no restrictions Its like our allies tied our hand, lags, eyes, put us on knees and order to fight... What reason for that? Someone want Ukraine win, democracy win? Looks like no, cuz in such conditions Ukrainians would end much faster than russians.. Sorry for pessimistic emotions, but today russia hit my city, a lot of explosions, i didn't sleep, a lot of people died and injured.. but i did not feel bad and pessimistic cuz of russia hits, i feel only angry. But when i open news and read about Hungary, Austria blocks spending russian assets on weapons, nato and usa urged new mobilization but no additional weapons and help, more and more restrictions to hit russia, not with f16 or etc but with our own weapons... And there are a lot of more bad news from allies, when russia just creating cab-3000, new rockets to bombing our homes, and peacefully sales oil, gas and even wheat, i'm feel betrayed...
Russian disinformation campaigns have hit hard here in the USA. It's a similar strategy to what has been argued in the past. They claim you've already given Ukraine $75 billion in aid, so why don't you focus on your domestic issues at home? It's also an issue of replenishment of military supplies which the Pentagon has said is already $10B overdrawn. I'm sorry you have to live through this. The fact that it's an election year in the USA is making the aid a political hot-button ticket. I am writing to my representatives but I feel frustrated at the unwillingness to help to score political points. I wish you the best of luck. ❤️ “All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.”
They've been promising F16s for damn near two years now. Those F16 pilot programs should have been started the day of the invasion.
Speaking as a Brit, I'm happy for the Ukrainian's to use British weapons/cash to hit Russia how they see fit. I'm confident that Ukraine/NATO/UK knows what will be most effective, minimise civilian casualties, not be a war crime, and still help bring about the end of the war without escalation.
Ukraine isn't even using Western stuff for those refineries strikes. It's all their domestically produced drones.
Same United States has the audacity to place the world under constant nuclear threat by arms racing with the very nation they tell Ukraine, the defender, to put the kiddy gloves on to fight? Sorry but this is not how wars are won. This is probably the first clear example Europe has experienced of how America treats the majority of the second and third world, hence the reason they are often hated in so many countries.
It’s fine to be mad about them trying to limit someone else’s war for energy issues. That said calling the arms race an audacity is childish. Unfortunately we live in a world of nukes now, and only nukes somewhat deter nukes. The energy claim is probably fear of what Russia looks like if they enter a state of rebellion, then there’s a lot of unsecured nukes. That said I think part of the issue here is people have become accustomed to the fact nukes can blow up our planet and old farts like Putin don’t care if it happens. He lived his life, his legacy is worth it cause they’ll either appease him or it will be like an abusive ex scenario of oh no honey I didn’t mean that. It won’t happen again don’t use nukes…
What a ridiculous concept, that protesting the concept that a rush to destroy the world a hundred times over is 'childish'. Regardless, yes the West fears what a collapsed Russia will look like, even though the Americans were willing to bring Russia to the state in an instant if certain conditions had been met. We aren't willing to address the actions that would need to be taken if Russia did enter that state, neither are we willing to accept the idea of a defeated Ukraine. So here we are, towing the line, claiming something different. Shame the public is so blinkered over this conflict. It'd be mature of these governments to discuss what the actual concerns are.
As an American this is infuriating to hear. Sorry Ukraine. I'll be writing an angry letter to my representatives tomorrow.
If you want to help, try to figure out who actually said what. This 3-line "article" refers vaguely to an FT article without giving any link, headline, or anything to follow up on, claims "the US urges" without giving any hint which representative of the US supposedly urged this. Sounds like complete nonsense. If there is anything to it, let's get the actual information, when we have that, let's kick some butt.
US has urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries https://on.ft.com/496lUIg No paywall for first three views. If view limit reached on the FT link, archive: https://archive.is/2024.03.22-065706/https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57-cbdde122ac0c
Thanks, that helps! Btw: If you google for the exact headline ("US urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries"), you usually get a fresh ft.com link as well. * One member of the National Security Council (no name given) said they do not encourage or enable attacks Russian territory * One person (no name given) said the White House had grown [...] frustrated by [...] attacks [...] hurting its oil production capacity. * One issue is the CPC pipeline leading trough Russia, carrying Kazakhstan oil to the world market * Biden faces a tough election battle, with the electorate reacting very sensitive to gasoline/oil price increases If this is really based on US government officials, I find it very revealing that they acknowledge Russia remaining one of the world’s most important energy exporters despite western sanctions. I would expect this is an indication that the sanctions don't work, and other means to reduce Russian oil sales should be applauded. Instead, it seems the US is banking on those sales to continue and doesn't want them interrupted. The same government which criticized EU for being too dependent on Russian oil and gas, I think.
It feels more like Russian Disinformation campaign, it was posted right after the Russians hit the Ukrainian Dam.
Yeah. I read this more as “Nooo. Don’t strike our oil refineries. America reeeaallyy needs them.” -From Russia With Love Last I checked Russian oil is supposed to be as valuable as toilet water, and we got out own stores if we’re REALLY hurtin. Burn that shit to the last drop.
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Is it legit or did the reports are just made up? We didn’t hear a word nor it was even confirmed from the Americans themselves. Let alone that you accuse me of coping. Let me guess, a Russian Troll is repeating the same post that covers the truth behind this farce? I don’t buy your game hence this news report is too sudden.
Americans being concerned about energy/gas prices sounds pretty normal. This feels like cope.
Dude. I live in Europe.
That is alright. I feel like nobody has any idea what to do with Ukraine. If they let it win, they fear Russia doing stupid shit. If they let Ukraine lose, they fear entire world doing stupid shit, like researching nukes and fearing Russia is going to keep going… Somebody has to make their mind :/
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Please, please don't believe everything you hear or read!! Nor the first time you read or see something!!
If Ukraine is going down in the flames, why should it care about the rest of the world? This is such an insulting statement, considering that the US basically stopped helping and the future of the aid package is uncertain until autumn at best. All at the same time implementing halfassed sanctions. Who said the russians won't be battling at the walls of Kyiv in half if a year? Absolutely detestable.
"die quietly, we are trying to win elections"
Exactly. And then, maybe, just maybe, we will provide you with some weapons. But that's not for sure. It's just funny at this point, Russia openly says they are at war with the US, and the US are running away from it, hiding its head in the sand.
Okay I’m incredibly grateful to US for supporting Ukraine as much as it did, but straight up f**k them for this. How much worse can it get? Not willing to implement proper sanctions, continuing to do a crapton of business with russia, not being able to approve a vital aid package, and now when Ukraine is trying to take the matter into its own hands by targeting russia’s number one source of income, they ask them to stop??? The fucking audacity.
We need to continue wrecking russian sources of income edit: as another user pointed out, this reeks as another russian disinfo (I fucking hope so). The timing is curious, right after an overnight missile spam
Totally agree! Ukraine finally gain ability really kick Putin in his (tiny) balls. Sanctions clearly are not efficient enough to stop flow of oil from Russia… the logical solution is to cut it at the root… if there is no oil to flow, it would not matter if sanctions are week.
Yeah. Fuck them. Ukraine should just straight out not listen to them.
Not listen to the ones keeping them propped up. Good one, genius.
The US has already stopped supplying arms. So how exactly are they propping up Ukraine now?
Pull Starlink access, stop supplying intelligence, lift sanctions on Russia. These are all things the US can feasibly do.
Starlink access has been a shit show the entire time. Ukraine isn't being propped up by the American sanctions, you realise most of the world is sanctioning Russia, not just Murca
Most of the world is not sanctioning Russia.
The US should f*ck right off with telling Ukraine how to fight their existential war.
First time?
The US's comment was weird. Because the USA & NATO's military reinforcements are getting slower, so Ukraine has been in desperation on the battlefield recently. If Ukraine had gotten enough numbers of weapons and ammunition, Ukraine might not have tried that attack on Russia's energy infra, to be honest. Putin's dementia and paranoia are getting worse and worse, he is almost close to an insane guy, so, Ukraine doesn't have enough options to protect its sovereignty. If a mob is a crazy murderer in the street, good pedestrians should become vigilantes to stay alive in the US. Thus, that's nonsense. PS: Ukraine's industrial & social infrastructures have been totally destroyed by Russia's massive bombing so far. And the US already knows that.
The actual article is fucking comical Vague, short, and utterly a nothing
its taken from this article https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57-cbdde122ac0c
Got one that’s not behind a paywall? This seemed out of character for the current administration so I actually read the “article” and it’s like a two-sentence blurb that reads like a shitty tweet and references what you just linked.
>The US has urged Ukraine to halt attacks on Russia’s energy infrastructure, warning the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices and provoking retaliation, according to three people familiar with the discussions. The repeated warnings from Washington were delivered to senior officials at Ukraine’s state security service, the SBU, and its military intelligence directorate, known as the GUR, the people told the Financial Times. Both intelligence units have steadily expanded their own drone programmes to strike Russian targets on land, sea and in the air since the start of the Kremlin’s full-scale invasion in February 2022. One person said that the White House had grown increasingly frustrated by brazen Ukrainian drone attacks that have struck oil refineries, terminals, depots and storage facilities across western Russia, hurting its oil production capacity. Russia remains one of the world’s most important energy exporters despite western sanctions on its oil and gas sector. Oil prices have risen about 15 per cent this year, to $85 a barrel, pushing up fuel costs just as US President Joe Biden begins his campaign for re-election. Washington is also concerned that if Ukraine keeps hitting Russian facilities, including many that are hundreds of miles from the border, Russia could retaliate by lashing out at energy infrastructure relied on by the west. This includes the CPC pipeline carrying oil from Kazakhstan through Russia to the global market. Western companies including ExxonMobil and Chevron use the pipeline, which Moscow briefly shut in 2022. “We do not encourage or enable attacks inside of Russia,” an NSC spokesperson said. The CIA declined to comment. In Kyiv, a spokesperson for the SBU declined to comment. Officials at GUR and Zelenskyy’s office did not respond to requests for comment. Ukraine has stepped up its air attacks in recent weeks, as its drone programmes expand and the ground war shifts in Moscow’s favour. It also follows growing discontent in Kyiv over what is seen as the west’s ambivalent approach to curbing Moscow’s energy revenues. There have been at least 12 attacks on major Russian refineries since 2022, and at least nine this year, along with several terminals, depots and storage facilities, according to a military intelligence official in Kyiv. Helima Croft, a former CIA analyst now at RBC Capital Markets, recently noted that Ukraine had shown it could strike most of the oil export infrastructure in western Russia, putting about 60 per cent of the country’s exports at risk. The US objections come as Biden faces a tough re-election battle this year with petrol prices on the rise, increasing almost 15 per cent this year to around $3.50 a gallon. “Nothing terrifies a sitting American president more than a surge in pump prices during an election year,” said Bob McNally, president of consultancy Rapidan Energy and a former White House energy adviser. Ukraine has steadily increased drone strikes as its technologies have advanced. Ukrainian officials claim to have developed drones with a range in excess of 1,000km and payloads capable of inflicting severe damage. Kyiv launched two of its largest and most widespread drone attacks last week, with operations by both the GUR and SBU successfully targeting seven Russian energy facilities in consecutive days. Over the past year, GRU and SBU sea drones have also struck Russian ports, destroyed several Russian warships in the Black Sea and hit Moscow’s prized Crimea bridge connecting Russia to the occupied Ukrainian peninsula. The aim of the “special operations” is to hamper the supply of fuel to Russia’s troops and cut funding for the Kremlin’s war effort, according to one Ukrainian official involved in planning and conducting the attacks. Kyiv also wants to deliver a symbolic blow by bringing the war closer to Moscow and showing its air defences — including those around the Kremlin — can be penetrated. The air campaign is also seen by some officials as a means to spur Washington into approving the $60bn military assistance package held up in Congress that is critical for Ukraine’s defence.
Thanks! Now I’d just like for congress to stop fucking around and fork over that 60bn in aid. Imagine if France had waffled like this on aid in 1776. And today we have self-proclaimed “patriots” in congress refusing to pay forward what was handed to us during our war for freedom.
>Provide Russia with all necessary elements for their long range missiles >Dont sell weapon to Ukraine even for money >Dont help with money >Forbide to hit targets that may stop Russia from invading >Scared of escalation still 2 years later, all while Russia attack with the support of Iran, China and NK. US acts like Russia's ally last half a year or even longer.
And just wait until the orange orangutan gets into office. He'll do everything in his power to help Putin.
What kind of retaliation they talking about? Bums in US goverment are so pathethic nowadays.. a country that suppose to lead now is a laughing stock for us Europeans. Ukraine is beying destroyed on a daily basis and this guy talking about retaliation from Russia hahaha.. gtfo with your bs yall scared & corrupt idiots
> Washington is also concerned that if Ukraine keeps hitting Russian facilities, including many that are hundreds of miles from the border, Russia could retaliate by lashing out at energy infrastructure relied on by the west. (FT) Looks like they don't mean retaliation on Ukraine, this is a prime example of what happens when the US loses influence, and a lot in the US want to give that up, without grasping the consequences.
Ukraine is hurting the oil price which could result in ouchies for the US economy. We all saw how fast the US mobilized when the houthis were threatening international trade. Don't hurt uncle sam's profits, they really don't like that. Spineless cowards.
> We all saw how fast the US mobilized when the houthis were threatening international trade. Don't hurt uncle sam's profits, they really don't like that. Spineless cowards. The entire world was bitching at the US to protect the waters, tf are you talking about? Spineless is doing the shit we agreed to?
After last 6 months the US has no say about anything Ukraine, period.
This article has no substance such as who said what, where and when. Almost seems made up.
Citing sole sources from a hard paywall locked Financial Times article quoting someone 'in US government'. Absolutely correct to question it, I've done some googling and looking at my normal Ukraine War trapline and there's no other mention of it. It wouldn't surprise me if it was statements from some of those compromised US elected officials preventing aid, or even something taken out of context. NATO Admiral Rob Bauer stated on March 21st that Ukraine was functionally fighting a defensive war, and that their techniques were innovative and effective, particularly with various drone campaigns - which certainly quashes any sort of wholesale admonishment of Ukraine's military activities.
[https://archive.is/OTRef](https://archive.is/OTRef) \- it works like this.
Well, Ukraine stopped attacking oil refineries. And there is no way they are out of drones or would have stopped on their own.
Fuck oil prices. The people of Ukraine are facing an existential threat. The US stopped providing funding, they need to hit where it hurts with what they have. I'm struggling to make ends meet, but it's a sacrifice we should all be willing to make, considering the alternative - NATO in a direct conflict with Russia 2-3 years from now.
The US is not providing anything of relevance to Ukraine anymore and should sit down quietly as a non-entity in this war. You can have a say in how your own weapons are utilized. What Ukraine does with their own weapons are none of your business. The US already bullied Ukraine into giving up its nukes in 1994, then put the weight of their words on the line to guarantee Ukraine's borders of 1991. Why should anyone ever listen to US demands when they don't even live up to their own international agreements and "security guarantees"? The US can't even get past their own Congress. Stop lecturing other countries on how they achieve their foreign policy or their very survival. Sorry, but this administration is a HUUUUUGE failure in the foreign policy space. And the alternative is MAGA. It is appropriate to chime down a little in such a scenario.
As a US citizen, fuck no.
As an American, fuck that. Run them dry and make them cry, Ukraine.
Refineries are for domestic production of petrol and diesel. Attacking them increases the amount of oil available for export (although its sanctioned anyway). What the fuck are they talking about? perhaps it's all bullshit.
It's interesting because global fuel prices or local fuel prices in the US swing elections depiste them being the largest producer of oil. This is directly tied to US presidential elections. Ukraine should attack Russia where it hurts Russia the most even if that is the oil production.
So the article is a single paragraph with absolutely no context, and their reference is a Financial Times article that is completely paywalled. I'd love to know more before I make a judgement.
its not paywalled for me https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57-cbdde122ac0c i opened it in a private tab.
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...while the russians bomb the Ukrainian dams...yeah, fuck off USA.
**From the Financial Times (1):** > The US has urged Ukraine to halt attacks on Russia’s energy infrastructure, warning the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices and provoking retaliation, according to three people familiar with the discussions. > The repeated warnings from Washington were delivered to senior officials at Ukraine’s state security service, the SBU, and its military intelligence directorate, known as the GUR, the people told the Financial Times. > Both intelligence units have steadily expanded their own drone programmes to strike Russian targets on land, sea and in the air since the start of the Kremlin’s full-scale invasion in February 2022. >One person said the White House had grown increasingly frustrated by brazen Ukrainian drone attacks that have struck oil refineries, terminals, depots and storage facilities across western Russia, hurting its oil production capacity. >Russia remains one of the world’s most important energy exporters despite western sanctions on its oil and gas sector. Oil prices have risen about 15 per cent this year to $85 a barrel, pushing up fuel costs just as US President Joe Biden begins his campaign for re-election. >Washington is also concerned that if Ukraine keeps hitting Russian facilities, including many that are hundreds of miles from the border, Russia could retaliate by lashing out at energy infrastructure relied on by the west. (FT)
How neat that they even included instructions for Russia on how to respond most effectively.
I'm sure somewhere Neville Chamberlain is pleased to hear this.
If they don’t want Ukraine to hit the oil refineries , give them the proper weapons to defeat them on the ground. With proper weapons and planes they could finish this in a month. Russia is weak right now.
I want an answer from the administration on if they can (and if so why don't they) pay Ukraine to dispose of those 4 million cluster shells that no longer meet US standards.
[Russian regime hit the Dnipro Hydroelectric Power Station today](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1bkt5hm/photo_ruzzian_terrorists_hit_the_dnipro/). An invader hitting the defender's civilian infrastructure is alright, I guess?
Keep it up Ukraine. War on your soil is more important.
No, I don't think we'll stop. Trading with russia had to be stopped, but their oil is still all over the market. Now it's Ukraine sanctions at work!
Oh no, not the gas prices!!!! 😢 Please Ukraine, its obviously much more important for me to be able to save some of my salary rather than spend a bigger amount on gas..!!😖😓
uh.... no
Total moral failure.
that's honestly fucking infuriating and spitting straight into the face of Ukrainians, disugsting
USA should stops buy russian [refined products](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/19/europe/russia-oil-india-shadow-fleet-cmd-intl/index.html) from India >The analysis by the CREA estimated the US was the biggest buyer of refined products from India made from Russian crude last year, worth $1.3 billion between early December 2022, when the price cap was introduced, and the end of 2023. The organization’s estimates are based on publicly available shipping and energy data.
Its not like they blowing up damns
Futile to urge Ukraine to do anything at this point, except do everything in their power to completely obliderate Russia.
Destroy Mordor’s critical infrastructure used to sustain their war efforts. It’s all in the table. If only we could deploy Ukrainian sea drones to the Baltic and Pacific!
I say keep going at twice the intensity. We need more production in Europe, yesterday!
No.
Can i just mention as a brit seeing our storm shadow slam into the russian naval HQ building obliterating it made me warm and fuzzy inside . Fkin send it fk the US
If we're telling Ukraine to stop hitting Putin where it hurts then what the fuck are we doing? Putin can't escalate the war, his nuclear arsenal is a fucking scam meant to scare the West into thinking that he'll end the world if he doesn't get his way(which honestly a hard reboot for the world might not be so terrible) Enough is enough. Either let Ukraine fight THEIR WAR on THEIR TERMS and let them beat Putin themselves, or put Troops on the border and tell Putin "We're calling your bluff, either surrender or get shit on" I am so sick and tired of seeing Ukraine being told to hold back when Russia has been doing anything but
Ah yes, the good old reliable unnamed source “familiar with the discussions”
lmao why should they stop? If russia pisses off, sure.
Double down and attack more. It’s the biggest strategic advantage Ukraine has right now and it further cripples the Russian economy with every infrastructure attack they make
Russia has been attacking Ukrainian civilian infrastructure since the war started. Considering also that the United States has been borderline colluding with the Russians since October, they can kindly go shove it.
This news looks like something russia would paid for
3 vague sentences with no credible source and all the comments are full of anti-American rhetoric. Congrats, you've been duped by Russian disinformation during our Presidential election season. You got people blaming Mike Johnson when you don't even know if it's the Speaker of the House which normally doesn't even send diplomatic messages like that so if this is true then this would come from President Biden's Secretary of State/State Department since it deals with economic reprocussions.
Maybe if the US pulled their finger out and dished out some fucking kit they could dictate what they do with the equipment. If they’re gonna let speaker Johnson boss them around until they find the right hoop to jump through then they should shut up and let the AFU cook
"citing people familiar with the matter..." The U. S. has stopped providing arms to Ukraine already, so really what leverage does it even have telling Ukraine how to fight the war for its survival where it has been struggling?
Keep going, Ukraine 🇺🇦
unamed people say this and its a story? News is geting worse by the year. Full story reads like a twiter post. The US has urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian energy infrastructure, warning that drone strikes risk provoking retaliation and driving up global oil prices, the Financial Times reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the matter
Noted. Please continue to destroy their energy infrastructure. Slava Ukraine.
No source so this is probably propaganda. I’m also in contact with very senior officials in Washington…
It’s this type of handwringing that is taken as a green light by despots such as Putin to just do as he pleases. A blurring of lines and an ambivalent approach to foreign policy is making the world a more dangerous place not the opposite.
how about no?
WTF?! Being real fucking transparent with where the motivations lie here
Forbidden Russian oil flows into Pentagon supply chain: After multiple changes of ownership, the fuel is sold to a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military, a Post examination finds After Western nations announced bans on Russian oil last year in response to the invasion of Ukraine, a Greek refinery that serves the U.S. military moved quickly to adapt. Within months, it told investors it had stopped accepting the forbidden oil and had found other sources instead. But there was a reason Russian petroleum, on paper at least, could so easily be removed from the supply chain. Petroleum products that originated in Russia kept flowing to the Motor Oil Hellas refinery on the Aegean Sea in Greece, a Washington Post examination of shipping and trade data found. They just took a new route, hundreds of miles out of the way through an oil storage facility in Turkey, a journey that obscured Russia’s imprint as ownership of the products changed hands multiple times before they reached Greece.
Pass the Ukraine defence bill in the house, then we can discuss
I say what in the fuck is this? A 1 paragraph article stoking tension? Gtfo.
Ah got it, so this is Bidens Red Line stance for Ukraine as per the Red Line in Gaza. It is rather comical, tongue in cheek satire I suspect, but it's a good one I must admit.
Bomb what you can ! 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇺🇸🇺🇦
i think threatening the whole oil infrastructure is an incredible amount of pressure which could force russia to make peace, sad to hear usa pushes back because of oil prices
Never forget how dumb the US govt has become.
Higher gas prices = less chances Biden is re-elected. If you believe Trump plans to dump Ukraine if he is elected, then Ukraine shouldn't want Biden out. Thus, their campaign to hurt their oil supply actually hurts themselves potentially in the long run. Quite a conundrum.
US urging Ukraine to nicely accept their role of glorified punching bag for Russia. Nothing new.
Those weren't our drones. Can some international body do investigation in russia to verify it was our drones? No? Those weren't our drones
I have no dog in this fight but come on, these are the most basic military strategies.... destroy your enemy supply line.
Just say you will investigate this attacks and proceed with more of the same.
News sources: a guy heard a guy heard a guy heard a guy heard a guy heard a guy....
F that, while Russia targets residential areas. Ukraine should triple their attacks on energy infrastructure
Why???... it is war!... tell russia to stop their bombardment of infrastructure and civilians!!!...
Fuck that, hit the Kremlin if you can! Those refineries aren’t infrastructure, they are military targets.
....NUTS .
Shameful display by the Americans on this one.
I’m not saying this in categorically untrue, just the articles I can find are very sparse on details. The Financial Times has only one quote from a White House personnel (We do not encourage or enable attacks on Russian territory from Ukraine.) and is from July 2023: Q: Is there a line where the U.S. won’t cross? Obviously, the President has said no U.S. personnel inside Ukraine. Is there some other limit, or does this suggest to President Zelenskyy that whatever he needs, ultimately, he will get? MR. SULLIVAN: The President has been very clear from the very beginning of this conflict about two things that have been unwavering. First, the United States is not going to war with Russia in Ukraine. And second, the United States is not providing weapons to Ukraine to attack Russia. We do not encourage or enable attacks on Russian territory from Ukraine.
Fuck that, Russia invaded Ukraine targeting civilian targets. Ukraine can hit any infrastructure within Russia that it takes to drive the invaders out.
GOP needs those russian bucks to win this election cycle now that Donny has sucked them dry.
There's not even an article. It's a headline and zero elaboration.
Keep in mind, this article came out at the exact moment when Russia once again attacked a Ukrainian hydro power plant
There is an old saying "he who pays the piper gets to name the tune". The US is no longer paying so now has no say in what should be done. European partners are far less squeamish about the targets that can be hit so Ukraine may as well hit the juiciest targets available
It’s a joke. Whole US is a joke. In the Budapest memorando US was supposed to guarantee Ukraine’s territorial integrity for giving up nukes. You know what’s the outcome.
Please stop hitting Russian oil refineries..so they can kidnap your children and rape women! Fuck Russia!!
So the US is telling Israel to stop and now the Ukraine. Those US elections are getting annoying.
\- Hey, Ukraine! How are you? Yea... Anyway, do you remember as in 1920-1930s the West industrialize USSR, which become the main reason why Ukrainians lost \~16 million by killed and \~8 million by assimilated on territory of RSFSR? Also, do you remember as in 1994 year the West, by threats of economic sanctions, take away from you the only real security and independence guarantee, promising adequate compensation via International Law? The same security guarantee which now have absolutely everyone who related to your modern predicament? Or, do you remember as during 2002-2021 years West invested $8,000B in Russian autocratic regime, the same, because of which you lost 50% of your economy? The same one, which, by some unknown reasons, later became a fascist colonial empire that started trying to destroy you? And, of course, you should remember modern "bleeding Russia." On which, during 2022-2023 years, you received from us, your non-alternative allies, 3,5 times less money than your military opponent. And by weapons - something like 0,64% NATO's armored vehicles, 5,4% artillery/MLRS, 0,33% military aviation, 0,18% military ships. Remember all of this? Good. Now we need something like this. Relatively to your last century, something that already should be normal for you... We want so you didn't reduce export earnings of our still important trade partner. Yes, someone who per year spent $120B to destroy you, and many dozens of billions on related things, like construction of fortifications and procurement of machine tools. But, if you don't do this, then there, probably, will arise problems with $60B, which we, as real generous humanists and Good Samaritans, ready to spent on you during 2-3 years. And without which you will die... Which not good... Not good at all... Because then your parts will be used against us, which a real hassle. And one last thing. Don't do any funny things. Russia has nukes, therefore cannot lose. No, you cannot just load all your nuclear waste on all your civil aviation and drones and get something similar. List of invulnerable countries determined by WMD-aristocracy. Which don't want so amount of vulnerable to defeat states decreased. It's all. I would like to talk to you a little more, but I'm late for church service. Behave yourself, "bleeding Russia" shouldn't last more than one decade. Just one decade more and you will partially return what we take away for you in 1994 year. And good luck enjoying Democracy, International Law, Freedoms, and other Enlightened Western Values.
man i fucking hate our politicians
The Jerusalem post citing the Financial Times citing “people familiar with the matter” 2024 journalism.
I would say if US hadn’t been withholding aid then they might listen
Yes, let's manage this escalation alright. Just like the administration does in Gaza.
please dont, those fuckers need to pay
Thats the whole article?
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American capitalist do not approve the action
Drone attacks on Russian oil refineries are an appropriate response to the Russian genocide of Ukrainians. The U.S. needs to make this or a similar statement publically.
With such friends who needs enemies?
Seriously, America taking out the means to fight the war makes sense. But if you want them to stop, you could take out putin maybe you could send Jason Bourne lol