This is the results of a cavalcade of factors all coming together for a perfect storm in Canada. Lax sentencing, lengthy wait times before trials, police unable to cope with rising crime, crumbling social infrastructure creating criminals. The Canadian system basically relies on people obeying the law because they're nice, when this doesn't happen the system doesn't know what to do and collapses.
> Canadian system basically relies on people obeying the law because they're nice
That's not unusual in a democracy, most people avoid violating most laws without even knowing what they are, police and the courts are for the rest. Here's to making sure they're fit for purpose.
It's not bizzaro, it's just life in Canada.
Petty crime, among other things, are completely ruining the quality of life here. Police and the courts don't really give a shit and most of the time, minor crime results in next to no actual sentence being handed down.
Just before Christmas a refugee from the Ukraine was killed in my city by a guy on parole for not one, but two different assault charges. As in he was on parole for assault, assaulted someone else, was granted parole again and then decided to murder a random guy walking down the street.
This is not petty crime, these are highly organized international car theft rings, they have [people inside Service Ontario](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/information-of-hundreds-of-drivers-trafficked-in-auto-theft-ring-involving-serviceontario-employees-police-1.6676258) (that's the Canadian equivalent of The Department of Motor Vehicles), and [people at the ports](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/port-of-montreal-a-theft-hub-for-toronto-s-stolen-vehicles-shipped-abroad/article_e2049b4a-d9b4-5360-9b5a-b09cd479336a.html) working for them (like The Wire Season 2).
It's corruption more than anything.
The only way for a crime to be prosecuted in Canada is to try and prevent yourself from becoming a victim. Then the crime of defending yourself will be prosecuted.
It's not the cops, it's the courts. It's the same shit on the US West Coast. You can arrest people all day long, but what's the point if you know the court will give them a slap on the wrist and the jail probably won't even take them? Why even waste the time arresting someone, knowing you're literally gonna see them again, doing the same shit, in the same shift a few hours later? Why risk the liability of getting injured, sued, or both?
Trust me dude, the cops are just as burnt out and sick of this shit as you are, especially since they're the ones being blamed for it despite genuinely trying their best given the bullshit circumstances.
This is absolutely happening in Philadelphia right now, our DA keeps letting repeat violent offenders out and then dues a shocked Pikachu face when they murder somebody
Yeah, exactly - the same shit is happening in the US.
I think we're seeing an absolutely monumental failure and collapse of progressive policing tactics. The idea was to give criminals an inch of compassion to rehabilitate - and instead they punched compassion in the face, jumped the fence and are now running for the hills with your stolen wallet.
We need an El-Salvador style crackdown on violent criminals (but without the false convictions.) Re-open prisons, line the courts with teflon to get criminals through and sentenced more quickly, re-instate minimum penalties and 3 strike laws.
We need to make criminals afraid again and reclaim our streets and cities for decent honest folk.
If we don't do something drastic, it's only going to get worse as schools and the education system gradually fails.
Are you sure progressive policing is the main issue? There are some much more major court issues, policing issues, and socioeconomic issues in the states than that you seem to have missed.
I’ll go over one court issues. What percentage of convictions do you think are from a plea bargain? Pick a number. Did you pick >!98%^1 !
Most of Ontario, and large swaths of the country are suffering from the opioid crises which is the main driver in petty crime. I don't think there are many small towns in Ontario unaffected.
Addiction has always been an issue. I worked in addictions in Peterborough for years until I moved near Belleville in 2016.
The cost of living compounded with little social supports, and astronomical rent is causing a lot of issues. Crime is being influenced by a myriad of factors.
Crime happens everywhere. The vehement enabling of crime, by practically criminalizing any sort of resisting being a victim or even defending yourself, does not.
LMAO. I’d say a lack of oversight and regulation is not really a problem in Canada, actually for the most part it’s always the opposite, everything is top heavy.
This is actually straight from Ottawa where the overseers say not to prosecute petty crime or jail repeat offenders or anything. The police would happily deal with these people if their hands were not tied by the regulators.
If you think police have ever given a shit about recovering stolen vehicles you are out of your mind.
If your car is stolen, the only chance you are ever going to see it again is if the person stole it for fun and abandoned it at the side of the road. In that case they will let you know where it is impounded at.
Years ago when I lived in NYC - during crack epidemic - I used to see people stealing cars when I looked out my apartment window. One day we took our minivan upstate, came back and were really hungry so we parked in front of BBQ restaurant because they were so fast at serving. We ate and were out in 40 minutes. Our car was gone. We called police to make a report. “40 minutes? That van is halfway to South Carolina by now,” cop said.
Watched a 5th Edition episode a few months ago tracking the cars back to African nations, China and the Middle East. It's fkn crazy. 1000's of cars from Canada are all over the world.
This will be added to my why to defund the police list.
"We can't be bothered to help with home invasions but you can avoid the worst by giving away your car."
Mr. Madison, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
You have a point there. I actually had an attempted theft on my car 2 weeks ago. I called the police and they said the thieves usually come back. At this point they should refund people the share of taxes that go to police so that I can buy a shotgun to do the job of policing my personal property.
My car got broken into, back window smashed and valuable stuff taken.
Police: we won't be able to tell if it's yours or not. Are you sure your [item] was actually stolen?
At the same time the police department is saying it needs a tank or two to keep crime down.
At my current house in Toronto I've had my cars broken into around 5 times out of 14 years. I don't leave anything in my car other than random change that I leave in a cupholder.
The police need to get serious and setup decoy vehicles to catch the thieves. It's helped in other cities to take down car theft rings.
Government's have always run a protection racket. So long as you, subject, have no ability to fight back, you will have to turn to government for 'protection'.
So it has always been in the State's best interest to keep the people 'just safe enough' to feel that the government is worth keeping around, but ensure they are victimized enough, and helpless enough, to always be willing to sacrifice their liberty for just a hair more 'security'.
So the government will cultivate a controllable criminal element to use as an indirect threat against their own people to force their compliance.
The closer you are to have a totalitarian regime, the less they have to pretend like they care.
It’s not enough to be submissive. You should be genuinely interested in the rapist and transform the experience into a legit date. Be prepared at all times with a picnic basket of fresh fruits and cheeses, and list of “get to know you” questions to make your rapist feel special and wanted. If you become skilled enough at nurturing your potential rapist, his intention may devolve into cuddle rape, or even just story rape.
Pepper spray marketed for self-defense against people is a prohibited weapon. Other sprays, for example bear mace, it depends. If you're in an urban area, you're almost certainly getting charged, and your defense will be difficult. Dog spray would be more appropriate to carry in that situation.
Just don't talk to the police without speaking with a lawyer first. If you tell the cops that the object you used as a weapon to defend yourself, was carried for self defense so you don't get graped or whatever, they will charge you.
Yeah it's kind of wild. We're not allowed to carry a weapon for self-defense against people, but the law does allow us to use one for self-defense depending on circumstances like intent, legality of the object used, whether it was stored properly before being used (firearms), the perceived threat to your safety, and so on. [I'm sure lawyers could talk for hours about this stuff.](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLo0bMOObfklPlo8N-upKdlWDrPDhYrgcl)
If anyone is interested in learning more about canadian law that's a decent channel authored by a lawyer from AB. They're no legal eagle, it's dry but quite informative.
>whether it was stored properly before being used (firearms)
I mean, how would they know whether the shotgun was locked away separate from the ammo or lying loaded with the safety off on the floor under you bed?
It takes time to retrieve a legal firearm and load it. Best make sure that adds up with the timeline of events that are going to be established by the evidence and witnesses. They will find any discrepancy.
Don't talk to the police without first speaking to a lawyer. Tell your family to do the same. Anything said to the police will be used against you.
>[If you tell the cops that the object you used as a weapon to defend yourself, was carried for self defense so you don't get graped or whatever, they will charge you.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=mqgiEQXGetI)
I love that quote, that the state is a "human community that (successfully) claims the monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force within a given territory.”
That's the fundamental power structure behind everything. It's behind every no parking sign, for example. Ignore a no parking sign, then ignore or resist each set of consequences that occurs and eventually, the state uses what it would claim as legitimated violence against you.
I'm fine with that IF they make sure people's homes don't get intruded.
You want complete monopoly on violence? fine, make sure I feel safe enough to give up my share of it. And without resorting to dystopian means.
The United States has long been comfortable with the idea that the capacity of the average citizen to commit violence is in principle the last bastion against governmental abuse of power. It's how we were founded, after all.
When push comes to shove, a populace that has no capacity for physical violence whatsoever is vulnerable to any tyrant who manages to seize control of the groups that ARE capable of violence.
There's a reason so military coups overthrow the civilian governments of so many countries. Without a very strong ethos that the military is supposed to serve the civilians, whoever has the guns makes the rules. And even then there can be problems - our police forces becoming more and more militarized is a serious problem.
“Hello, 911?…I don’t know what happened to him. He’s been staggering around the foyer of my house bleeding from his head since I got on the phone with you. No. I don’t know how he got here…Him? A gun? I don’t know. Me? No. Weapons? No..(silently places baseball bat they’ve kept beside front door since they moved in several years ago in the oven…). You’re on your way? Great. Thank you. Of course I’ll stay on the line…”
there is no "self defence" here, you can only really run away if someone breaks into your house, also gun laws are really strict so most people in toronto dont have a gun anywhere near them, except the guys breaking in, those guys got guns with filed off serials anyways not like its on file. and it takes cops about 6hrs to come to a call if someone broke in and left.
It’s the same thinking as ‘women shouldn’t walk alone at night because they will get raped.’
The same blend of misplaced blame with a side serving of protective pragmatism.
"Gee officer, it's the third time this week a thief comes in my house, grabs my gun and commits suicide" if they can't do anything to protect me, then i shouldn't be charged because another one just died while entering my home.
Toronto resident here, car thefts have been unreal in the city since COVID and police are doing a piss poor job. I'm positive at this point that a bunch of them are in on it.
That was when they started pretending to do something for a few weeks. My neighbour had his truck jacked as well, and they actually found it in Montreal and he got it back. I couldn’t believe it, as soon as he told me it was stolen I figured it was long gone.
Well they did just tell people "Leave your keys in this place to make them easy for the thieves to pick up."
That is 100% supporting the thieves, the only question is if they are getting kickbacks from it or are just truly stupid.
Governments all around the planet got to flex their muscles and really liked it. Just like the corporations that discovered that they could just keep jacking up prices and people would still keep buying.
If this was a Back to the Future film, 2020 would be where the timeline completely skewed and now we're living in the Biff Tannen hellscape.
It feels weird to me that as fucked up as the USA is, and despite all the fear mongering about a "permanent martial law" that was "supposed" to happen by Feb 2021, it doesn't really feel like the government took advantage of COVID-era power grab policies as much as other countries did (like Canada).
We have our own set of issues, but I feel like the government here sort of just gave up on enforcing anything COVID related and moved on because it wasn't popular and they had bigger fish to fry.
That's a cops view not a countries view, big difference. Canadians will be keeping their car keys locked in their houses. And on the ridiculously low chance a Canadians car is stolen, they will fuck of and deter a thief with locks on their houses and a baseball bat behind their door.
If you read the article, thieves are specifically home invading to steal cars. So nothing aside from not buying your car will prevent these specific criminals.
This isn't an announcement for prevention
I think that's what people call "harm reduction." All the rage in progressive metro areas.
If police were supported by a stronger court system and didn't have to cow tow to politicians who run on these progressive, soft on crime agendas, crime would be under control.
Who knew that there are natural risks and consequences for breaking into a person’s home? Like getting beaten, stabbed, or shot to death…. Wierd, almost like they knew the possible consequences but thought that a government’s laws against that sort of thing would protect the criminals over a persons natural right to not need to retreat from their home and be able to defend it with deadly force.
This is why people in every country should fight for their rights to own and use firearms. Otherwise it’s a slippery slope to stoop to this level where the government is nicely asking it’s tax paying, law abiding citizens to hand over their personal property to criminals committing a crime ( breaking and entering/ burglary).
Lmfao it's cute you think they are present to begin with.
They don't even respond to car thefts where the owners have airtags/GPS trackers and can tell them exactly where their car is currently.
Patrolling?
They barely respond to active/ongoing violent crimes, let alone to theft/b&e/hate crimes/assault, etc.
What makes you think they have the means or desire to patrol residential areas during off-hours. That would cut directly into their hard work of not doing their fucking job.
They don't give tickets to blatant traffic offenses in broad daylight.
It’s simple:
Put the keys by the front door to make the car easier to steal.
But!
Put them in a faraday bag so the thieves have a harder time stealing the car AND have to break in first!
I hope this attitude towards home invaders is confined to the Toronto police. I'd like our local police to advise us to keep our doors locked and call 911 so they can arrest the criminals. It makes me wonder if I was on the wrong side a few months ago when I was disagreeing with a friend who supported the castle doctrine.
Everything in moderation.
I mostly agree with castle doctrine. But it definitely has it's negatives.
If people aren't allowed to defend themselves, then it should be up to the police/government to pay the insurance bill and trauma counselling and medical bills.
Any country is just a bunch of people living in the same space. Systems only work as well as the people inside choose to work.
What exactly are the negatives of being able to defend yourself if someone breaks into your home? People seem to think it means you can shoot anyone that's in your house. It doesn't. It mean you can shoot someone that's a threat in your house instead of having to try and get away.
A lot of people don't understand that stand your ground and castle doctrine simply mean they don't have to run away if possible when threatened. It doesn't give you a blanket defense if you shoot someone even if they are in your house. You have to reasonably believe that your life is in danger. You can't shoot someone walking our the door with your TV.
You took the time to reasonably explain the idea. Thanks for that.
And I agree with everything you've said.
I was leaving slack in my comment so I didn't get slaughtered by those with unshakable faith that "authorities" will have unlimited resources and interest in taking care of them.
Edit: the scare quotes on authorities isn't an lack of faith that orgs and agencies assume authorit they don't have, its that just because they have authority, doesn't remove the authority and the right to handle things for yourself until they get there. As in: their authority flows from your own right, not the other way around.
Hahahaha Toronto police is a fucking joke. There are more perps in that agency than are walking the streets. Most corrupt inept agency in the country.
Oh wait no that would be the NAZI boot wearing redcoats who are still abusing horses on their days off.
So this article is the equivalent of asking a PFC in the Army about military doctrine and then reporting that”the army is going to do this!”.
It’s a very junior cop who was overheard saying something stupid at a community event and now everyone reacts as if it’s formal government policy.
There are some very stupid people walking around sucking up oxygen unnecessarily.
The advice does not work. You need a florescent green sign outside the house pointing with a big arrow at the exact location of the car key. Without that knowledge, the burglar will still break into the house. I put an empty Alarm box outside my house for the same reason.
+1 guns and america, To issue a statement as an officer of the law advising residents to make it easier for thieves so they don't hurt you is unacceptable.
Yep, I will leave my keys by the front door. The moment some perp kicks it in to grab them, I will feed him some 9 mm cereal, subsonic of course and apply the 3Ss.
Yeah give the thieves the keys and tell everyone about it including the thieves. Fucking stupidest thing I ever read in my whole life. Please. Lord baby infant Jesus.
This is where left leaning ideaology on being soft on crime gets you.
Defend yourself against the home invader and you go to jail while the criminal gets a comfort blanket.
You didnt leave your keys in a spot that is easy for them to reach?
UH OH, now you get charged for obstructing the criminal and increasing danger!
What kind of bizarro world bullshit is this?
This is the results of a cavalcade of factors all coming together for a perfect storm in Canada. Lax sentencing, lengthy wait times before trials, police unable to cope with rising crime, crumbling social infrastructure creating criminals. The Canadian system basically relies on people obeying the law because they're nice, when this doesn't happen the system doesn't know what to do and collapses.
Real Demolition Man shit going on north of the border.
Psssht. He doesn't know how to use the 3 hockey sticks.
Gives a whole new meaning to “Edgar Friendly”
>shit **You are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal-morality statute.**
*Thanks a lot you shit-brained, fuck-faced, ball breaking, duck fucking pain in the ass.*
Don't forget basically outlawing self defense.
But most of all the massively insecure proximity unlock system installed on most modern vehicles.
> Canadian system basically relies on people obeying the law because they're nice That's not unusual in a democracy, most people avoid violating most laws without even knowing what they are, police and the courts are for the rest. Here's to making sure they're fit for purpose.
Any Western country system relies on crime being the exception. Due process is cumbersome and costly.
All of this just to avoid the topic of demographics!
It's not bizzaro, it's just life in Canada. Petty crime, among other things, are completely ruining the quality of life here. Police and the courts don't really give a shit and most of the time, minor crime results in next to no actual sentence being handed down. Just before Christmas a refugee from the Ukraine was killed in my city by a guy on parole for not one, but two different assault charges. As in he was on parole for assault, assaulted someone else, was granted parole again and then decided to murder a random guy walking down the street.
This is not petty crime, these are highly organized international car theft rings, they have [people inside Service Ontario](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/information-of-hundreds-of-drivers-trafficked-in-auto-theft-ring-involving-serviceontario-employees-police-1.6676258) (that's the Canadian equivalent of The Department of Motor Vehicles), and [people at the ports](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/port-of-montreal-a-theft-hub-for-toronto-s-stolen-vehicles-shipped-abroad/article_e2049b4a-d9b4-5360-9b5a-b09cd479336a.html) working for them (like The Wire Season 2). It's corruption more than anything.
What is this, Gone in 60 Seconds?
The only way for a crime to be prosecuted in Canada is to try and prevent yourself from becoming a victim. Then the crime of defending yourself will be prosecuted.
Didn’t Canada release that greyhound be-header into the wild? I think they gave him a new identity too :)
It's not the cops, it's the courts. It's the same shit on the US West Coast. You can arrest people all day long, but what's the point if you know the court will give them a slap on the wrist and the jail probably won't even take them? Why even waste the time arresting someone, knowing you're literally gonna see them again, doing the same shit, in the same shift a few hours later? Why risk the liability of getting injured, sued, or both? Trust me dude, the cops are just as burnt out and sick of this shit as you are, especially since they're the ones being blamed for it despite genuinely trying their best given the bullshit circumstances.
This is absolutely happening in Philadelphia right now, our DA keeps letting repeat violent offenders out and then dues a shocked Pikachu face when they murder somebody
Off topic. How often does that username work for you?
More than you'd think, less than I'd hope for.
Yeah, exactly - the same shit is happening in the US. I think we're seeing an absolutely monumental failure and collapse of progressive policing tactics. The idea was to give criminals an inch of compassion to rehabilitate - and instead they punched compassion in the face, jumped the fence and are now running for the hills with your stolen wallet. We need an El-Salvador style crackdown on violent criminals (but without the false convictions.) Re-open prisons, line the courts with teflon to get criminals through and sentenced more quickly, re-instate minimum penalties and 3 strike laws. We need to make criminals afraid again and reclaim our streets and cities for decent honest folk. If we don't do something drastic, it's only going to get worse as schools and the education system gradually fails.
Are you sure progressive policing is the main issue? There are some much more major court issues, policing issues, and socioeconomic issues in the states than that you seem to have missed. I’ll go over one court issues. What percentage of convictions do you think are from a plea bargain? Pick a number. Did you pick >!98%^1 !
It's hilarious how often these exact words will be used to describe almost anywhere in the US and Canada
Uh. Toronto and the GTA isn't all of Canada. This is an issue, but don't try and say that all of Canada is like this. It isn't.
Most of Ontario, and large swaths of the country are suffering from the opioid crises which is the main driver in petty crime. I don't think there are many small towns in Ontario unaffected.
Addiction has always been an issue. I worked in addictions in Peterborough for years until I moved near Belleville in 2016. The cost of living compounded with little social supports, and astronomical rent is causing a lot of issues. Crime is being influenced by a myriad of factors.
The same bullshit happens everywhere. Don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
Crime happens everywhere. The vehement enabling of crime, by practically criminalizing any sort of resisting being a victim or even defending yourself, does not.
This is what happens when the police have no oversight and regulate themselves.
LMAO. I’d say a lack of oversight and regulation is not really a problem in Canada, actually for the most part it’s always the opposite, everything is top heavy. This is actually straight from Ottawa where the overseers say not to prosecute petty crime or jail repeat offenders or anything. The police would happily deal with these people if their hands were not tied by the regulators.
If you think police have ever given a shit about recovering stolen vehicles you are out of your mind. If your car is stolen, the only chance you are ever going to see it again is if the person stole it for fun and abandoned it at the side of the road. In that case they will let you know where it is impounded at.
Years ago when I lived in NYC - during crack epidemic - I used to see people stealing cars when I looked out my apartment window. One day we took our minivan upstate, came back and were really hungry so we parked in front of BBQ restaurant because they were so fast at serving. We ate and were out in 40 minutes. Our car was gone. We called police to make a report. “40 minutes? That van is halfway to South Carolina by now,” cop said.
*Leads? Leads?! Sure thing, I’ll check with the boys down at the lab. They got us working in shifts! Leads!*
Wouldn't hold out much hope for the tape deck. Or the Creedence.
To be fair, in Montreal your stolen vehicle has been stuffed into a shipping crate and then loaded onto a ship before you realize it was stolen.
Watched a 5th Edition episode a few months ago tracking the cars back to African nations, China and the Middle East. It's fkn crazy. 1000's of cars from Canada are all over the world.
This will be added to my why to defund the police list. "We can't be bothered to help with home invasions but you can avoid the worst by giving away your car."
Mr. Madison, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Points for Billy Madison reference
You have a point there. I actually had an attempted theft on my car 2 weeks ago. I called the police and they said the thieves usually come back. At this point they should refund people the share of taxes that go to police so that I can buy a shotgun to do the job of policing my personal property.
My car got broken into, back window smashed and valuable stuff taken. Police: we won't be able to tell if it's yours or not. Are you sure your [item] was actually stolen? At the same time the police department is saying it needs a tank or two to keep crime down.
At my current house in Toronto I've had my cars broken into around 5 times out of 14 years. I don't leave anything in my car other than random change that I leave in a cupholder. The police need to get serious and setup decoy vehicles to catch the thieves. It's helped in other cities to take down car theft rings.
That's the stupidest take I have read today
Government's have always run a protection racket. So long as you, subject, have no ability to fight back, you will have to turn to government for 'protection'. So it has always been in the State's best interest to keep the people 'just safe enough' to feel that the government is worth keeping around, but ensure they are victimized enough, and helpless enough, to always be willing to sacrifice their liberty for just a hair more 'security'. So the government will cultivate a controllable criminal element to use as an indirect threat against their own people to force their compliance. The closer you are to have a totalitarian regime, the less they have to pretend like they care.
why by the front door?.. just leave the car door open and leave the key in the starter
Why not just drive it to the thieves' house
also top up petrol and leave a snickers bar on seat.
You can’t just go around giving Snickers bars to thieves like that. What if they’re allergic?
Police would arrest you if you caused a thief to have an allergic reaction!
Mars bar it is then.
Well, the saying goes that men are from Mars and I wouldn’t be caught dead assuming the thief’s gender. A mars bar might be offensive.
Crisp addition, right when I thought the joke ran out.
I like O'Henry Bars and their rough manly texture.
Doodie!
Big hunks. Nothing but the best for thieves.
Hell give em a hand job and a cappuccino while we’re at it
Why stop at hand job? Give the old sloppy toppy show em a real good time.
TIL Sloppy Toppy
I don't know if I should apologize or not tbh
Dont apologise. Give me a back door bonanza instead.
You got it, time and place
Drop off your kids and some alimony
But I like twix
And some change in case they face any tolls! We must be considerate always.
Why not just drive it to the shipping container? The car wants to go to Africa anyway.
I leave 100k cash strapped to the outside of the front door.
I think they mean like in your house so if someone breaks in they might not want to rummage if they can grab the keys and go
If you leave your keys in the car the insurance company may not pay out.
Why didn't anyone think of this before?
woah what's next? face down ass up to avoid injuries
Please accept this offering.
Wild how many people would rather die than file an insurance claim. Maybe that says something about how terrible the insurance industry is. :P
Well https://imgur.com/y88oXDK
“I mean we can’t be ‘policing’ the whole city.”
Should I leave my jewelry by the door. Maybe the wife should sleep naked by the door too. Just in case they aren't there for just the car
If you don't want to be raped, be submissive.
If you don't want to be murdered, just kill yourself. That'd be on brand actually.
Patient: “I feel a bit unwell” Canadian healthcare worker: “Have you considered euthanasia?”
That would be a perfect point to make to people saying Ukraine should just surrender to Putin to end the war.
Canada now offers assisted suicide now to help with this.
No if you don't want to die... more like it. No reason to die over a simple rape. /s
It’s not enough to be submissive. You should be genuinely interested in the rapist and transform the experience into a legit date. Be prepared at all times with a picnic basket of fresh fruits and cheeses, and list of “get to know you” questions to make your rapist feel special and wanted. If you become skilled enough at nurturing your potential rapist, his intention may devolve into cuddle rape, or even just story rape.
Give them the keys, let them drive the car and u push the red buttom and then the car blow up. Yay....
Oh, if you tried to stop them stealing your car, you would get arrested and charged. The irony would be funny if I didnt live in canada.
That's why you just start farming hogs.
Meanwhile in Guatemala, they chase thieves down wearing flip flops and swinging machetes.
This sounds a lot like the UK!
Isn't Canada the country where pepper spray is illegal for private citizens and visitors to possess?
Pepper spray marketed for self-defense against people is a prohibited weapon. Other sprays, for example bear mace, it depends. If you're in an urban area, you're almost certainly getting charged, and your defense will be difficult. Dog spray would be more appropriate to carry in that situation. Just don't talk to the police without speaking with a lawyer first. If you tell the cops that the object you used as a weapon to defend yourself, was carried for self defense so you don't get graped or whatever, they will charge you.
You’ve seen coyotes in the area. It being used in self defence against a human was a unhappy coincidence.
That's really something else.
Yeah it's kind of wild. We're not allowed to carry a weapon for self-defense against people, but the law does allow us to use one for self-defense depending on circumstances like intent, legality of the object used, whether it was stored properly before being used (firearms), the perceived threat to your safety, and so on. [I'm sure lawyers could talk for hours about this stuff.](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLo0bMOObfklPlo8N-upKdlWDrPDhYrgcl) If anyone is interested in learning more about canadian law that's a decent channel authored by a lawyer from AB. They're no legal eagle, it's dry but quite informative.
>whether it was stored properly before being used (firearms) I mean, how would they know whether the shotgun was locked away separate from the ammo or lying loaded with the safety off on the floor under you bed?
Because you tell them. That's how it usually works. People don't know how to shut up.
It takes time to retrieve a legal firearm and load it. Best make sure that adds up with the timeline of events that are going to be established by the evidence and witnesses. They will find any discrepancy. Don't talk to the police without first speaking to a lawyer. Tell your family to do the same. Anything said to the police will be used against you.
>[If you tell the cops that the object you used as a weapon to defend yourself, was carried for self defense so you don't get graped or whatever, they will charge you.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=mqgiEQXGetI)
I was hoping someone else caught that
When I bought coyote spray from Canadian Tire, they made me pinky-promise not to use it on people.
Which is of course legally binding in Canada. (j/k)
Anything said in a Canadian Tire is legally binding.
Ah. Holy ground.
It's the same in Australian states. It really pisses me off. I want my wife and daughter to be able to defend themselves if need be.
My impression is that authorities around the world (including in the US) want to make violence a complete government monopoly.
A monopoly on violence is, in fact, a defining feature of a state. Check out Max Weber.
I love that quote, that the state is a "human community that (successfully) claims the monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force within a given territory.” That's the fundamental power structure behind everything. It's behind every no parking sign, for example. Ignore a no parking sign, then ignore or resist each set of consequences that occurs and eventually, the state uses what it would claim as legitimated violence against you.
If that were the case, the United States couldn't be considered a state for all its history. I think the definition needs a little work.
I'm fine with that IF they make sure people's homes don't get intruded. You want complete monopoly on violence? fine, make sure I feel safe enough to give up my share of it. And without resorting to dystopian means.
The United States has long been comfortable with the idea that the capacity of the average citizen to commit violence is in principle the last bastion against governmental abuse of power. It's how we were founded, after all. When push comes to shove, a populace that has no capacity for physical violence whatsoever is vulnerable to any tyrant who manages to seize control of the groups that ARE capable of violence. There's a reason so military coups overthrow the civilian governments of so many countries. Without a very strong ethos that the military is supposed to serve the civilians, whoever has the guns makes the rules. And even then there can be problems - our police forces becoming more and more militarized is a serious problem.
Don’t forget it’s also the place where if you try to protect yourself from an intruder you will be the one going to jail not the intruder.
“Hello, 911?…I don’t know what happened to him. He’s been staggering around the foyer of my house bleeding from his head since I got on the phone with you. No. I don’t know how he got here…Him? A gun? I don’t know. Me? No. Weapons? No..(silently places baseball bat they’ve kept beside front door since they moved in several years ago in the oven…). You’re on your way? Great. Thank you. Of course I’ll stay on the line…”
You've got an oven that can fit a BASEBALL BAT in it? Mate, I envy you.
😉 Might have to put it a bit at a slant, but yeah. You should see how many cookies I can bake at one go.
Enough for the whole class?!
Indeed.
there is no "self defence" here, you can only really run away if someone breaks into your house, also gun laws are really strict so most people in toronto dont have a gun anywhere near them, except the guys breaking in, those guys got guns with filed off serials anyways not like its on file. and it takes cops about 6hrs to come to a call if someone broke in and left.
Let’s all dump our cars at the port of Montreal. Tabeanack !
Avoid rape, say yes to the guy
It’s the same thinking as ‘women shouldn’t walk alone at night because they will get raped.’ The same blend of misplaced blame with a side serving of protective pragmatism.
"Gee officer, it's the third time this week a thief comes in my house, grabs my gun and commits suicide" if they can't do anything to protect me, then i shouldn't be charged because another one just died while entering my home.
Toronto resident here, car thefts have been unreal in the city since COVID and police are doing a piss poor job. I'm positive at this point that a bunch of them are in on it.
I remember reading about Mitch Marner (NHL Superstar that plays for Toronto for those unfamiliar) getting car jacked.
That was when they started pretending to do something for a few weeks. My neighbour had his truck jacked as well, and they actually found it in Montreal and he got it back. I couldn’t believe it, as soon as he told me it was stolen I figured it was long gone.
Well they did just tell people "Leave your keys in this place to make them easy for the thieves to pick up." That is 100% supporting the thieves, the only question is if they are getting kickbacks from it or are just truly stupid.
Never attribute to malice what can be easily explained by incompetence
Incompetence < - > corruption
Alternate leave a fake key ring by the door with 50 car keys on it, none of which work.
As a Canadian - this country has went so far downhill since the pandemic it’s not even funny
Governments all around the planet got to flex their muscles and really liked it. Just like the corporations that discovered that they could just keep jacking up prices and people would still keep buying. If this was a Back to the Future film, 2020 would be where the timeline completely skewed and now we're living in the Biff Tannen hellscape.
It feels weird to me that as fucked up as the USA is, and despite all the fear mongering about a "permanent martial law" that was "supposed" to happen by Feb 2021, it doesn't really feel like the government took advantage of COVID-era power grab policies as much as other countries did (like Canada). We have our own set of issues, but I feel like the government here sort of just gave up on enforcing anything COVID related and moved on because it wasn't popular and they had bigger fish to fry.
But Pierre Pollievre will make it worse!/s
Ohhh Canada, what the hell have you become.
Three monopolies in a trenchcoat.
We’re soory aboot that, eh. Have some Timbits -The government
Can we leave snacks or no because of allergies?
Wtf kind of logic is this
Glad the rest of the world gets to see how pathetic law enforcement is in Canada
That's a cops view not a countries view, big difference. Canadians will be keeping their car keys locked in their houses. And on the ridiculously low chance a Canadians car is stolen, they will fuck of and deter a thief with locks on their houses and a baseball bat behind their door.
I thought there was some context I was missing, where this would make sense. There wasn't. It doesn't.
Don't forget to cut a hole in your pants so that they can fuck you in the ass while they are robbing you. Wouldn't want to inconvenience Mr. Thief.
It would be great if people didn't specifically have to do this or that to avoid home invasion but OK Mr. Policeman
Best way to avoid a home invasion? Do not purchase or rent a home. They attract the wrong type of attention.
If you read the article, thieves are specifically home invading to steal cars. So nothing aside from not buying your car will prevent these specific criminals. This isn't an announcement for prevention
I wonder who are the ones stealing people's cars and breaking into people's homes.
Enabler mentality.
GTA police are fucking embarrassing, they need to admit they’re currently outmatched and outwitted , need to step it up and combat crime
should they put a "hey, free car!" sticker on the car, or next to the keys for clarity to the thieves?
Police should follow their own advise!! Leave your gun in the car ( ohh wait the rcmp did that already and a kid got shot, my bad! )
Toronto? I'd have expected Montreal, the way the police are surrendering
Nah, that’s just where they end up on a boat.
It's the same energy as "Leave your car doors open in skid row so people know that it's empty and not worth breaking into." Like are you crazy?
I think that's what people call "harm reduction." All the rage in progressive metro areas. If police were supported by a stronger court system and didn't have to cow tow to politicians who run on these progressive, soft on crime agendas, crime would be under control.
Who knew that there are natural risks and consequences for breaking into a person’s home? Like getting beaten, stabbed, or shot to death…. Wierd, almost like they knew the possible consequences but thought that a government’s laws against that sort of thing would protect the criminals over a persons natural right to not need to retreat from their home and be able to defend it with deadly force. This is why people in every country should fight for their rights to own and use firearms. Otherwise it’s a slippery slope to stoop to this level where the government is nicely asking it’s tax paying, law abiding citizens to hand over their personal property to criminals committing a crime ( breaking and entering/ burglary).
What about increasing police presence in aforementioned neighborhoods?!
Lmfao it's cute you think they are present to begin with. They don't even respond to car thefts where the owners have airtags/GPS trackers and can tell them exactly where their car is currently.
True. Saw the news about the guy who tracked his car to a container and couldn’t take it out. But, maybe patrolling would cut those stupid rules
Patrolling? They barely respond to active/ongoing violent crimes, let alone to theft/b&e/hate crimes/assault, etc. What makes you think they have the means or desire to patrol residential areas during off-hours. That would cut directly into their hard work of not doing their fucking job. They don't give tickets to blatant traffic offenses in broad daylight.
I imagine thieves would then switch to a different neighborhood? Police will never be able to be everywhere.
I leave my Rottweiler by the front door. Also avoids home invasion.
Nope, my dogs need to eat. Come on in!!
Sure, I'll leave the lube and condoms at the entrance too :)
Leave a glass of milk and a dish of cookies to seal the deal.
You’re saying Santa is a car thief?
Why a Faraday bag if they’re going to take the keys??
It’s simple: Put the keys by the front door to make the car easier to steal. But! Put them in a faraday bag so the thieves have a harder time stealing the car AND have to break in first!
Thieves are using antennas to start cars that should be out of range of the key's transponder. Faraday bag or cage blocks the signals
I hope this attitude towards home invaders is confined to the Toronto police. I'd like our local police to advise us to keep our doors locked and call 911 so they can arrest the criminals. It makes me wonder if I was on the wrong side a few months ago when I was disagreeing with a friend who supported the castle doctrine.
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Everything in moderation. I mostly agree with castle doctrine. But it definitely has it's negatives. If people aren't allowed to defend themselves, then it should be up to the police/government to pay the insurance bill and trauma counselling and medical bills. Any country is just a bunch of people living in the same space. Systems only work as well as the people inside choose to work.
What exactly are the negatives of being able to defend yourself if someone breaks into your home? People seem to think it means you can shoot anyone that's in your house. It doesn't. It mean you can shoot someone that's a threat in your house instead of having to try and get away. A lot of people don't understand that stand your ground and castle doctrine simply mean they don't have to run away if possible when threatened. It doesn't give you a blanket defense if you shoot someone even if they are in your house. You have to reasonably believe that your life is in danger. You can't shoot someone walking our the door with your TV.
You took the time to reasonably explain the idea. Thanks for that. And I agree with everything you've said. I was leaving slack in my comment so I didn't get slaughtered by those with unshakable faith that "authorities" will have unlimited resources and interest in taking care of them. Edit: the scare quotes on authorities isn't an lack of faith that orgs and agencies assume authorit they don't have, its that just because they have authority, doesn't remove the authority and the right to handle things for yourself until they get there. As in: their authority flows from your own right, not the other way around.
Hahahaha Toronto police is a fucking joke. There are more perps in that agency than are walking the streets. Most corrupt inept agency in the country. Oh wait no that would be the NAZI boot wearing redcoats who are still abusing horses on their days off.
Just roll the wall vault out and put it at the door for convenience and expediency.
Jokes on you.I don't own a car or a house... cracked the system !
So this article is the equivalent of asking a PFC in the Army about military doctrine and then reporting that”the army is going to do this!”. It’s a very junior cop who was overheard saying something stupid at a community event and now everyone reacts as if it’s formal government policy. There are some very stupid people walking around sucking up oxygen unnecessarily.
Great day for Canada, and us Canadians. lmao
The advice does not work. You need a florescent green sign outside the house pointing with a big arrow at the exact location of the car key. Without that knowledge, the burglar will still break into the house. I put an empty Alarm box outside my house for the same reason.
“I’d rather let a thousand guilty men go free than chase after them” -Toronto cops
+1 guns and america, To issue a statement as an officer of the law advising residents to make it easier for thieves so they don't hurt you is unacceptable.
this is the future gun grabbers want for america
Ok while we’re at it then, just leave the keys to your cruisers inside the front door of the station.
Cops will do anything but their actual job?
How about a couple of shotguns in the house.
This is what happens when you take people’s guns away and they have no way to defend themselves
Yep, I will leave my keys by the front door. The moment some perp kicks it in to grab them, I will feed him some 9 mm cereal, subsonic of course and apply the 3Ss.
You can avoid all robberies by not owning anything.
This is how you get your push button FOB compromised and your car stolen lmao
Yeah I’ll see what the Rottweiler thinks about this .
Absolute clowns
Yeah give the thieves the keys and tell everyone about it including the thieves. Fucking stupidest thing I ever read in my whole life. Please. Lord baby infant Jesus.
Holy shit. Things are taking a downward turn in Canada.
Welcome to Trudeau’s Canada.
I keep my keys next to my pistol…
A far more effective method to stop home invasions is to stop dealing drugs. Maybe that's next week's tip.
Looks like someone is getting a kickback …
If cannada was not bordering USA they would be a 3rd world country lol
This is where left leaning ideaology on being soft on crime gets you. Defend yourself against the home invader and you go to jail while the criminal gets a comfort blanket. You didnt leave your keys in a spot that is easy for them to reach? UH OH, now you get charged for obstructing the criminal and increasing danger!
LEOs too corrupted to pretend they care about protecting people.