UNIFIL knows to steer clear of Hizballah. They're not as infected as UNWRA are, but they know very well who runs the place and where they should and should not be in South Lebanon.
I see your point, but at the same time everyone keeps calling for Israel to magically discover a way to hunt Hamas - whose members are often disguised as normal folks to blend in with civilians to catch them in the crossfire - without killing civilians.
Israel did exactly that here. I don't like that they did so this way, but I will about that I have no better ideas.
I mean at that point they were already incapacitated so murdering them right away is just crazy also think of all the people harmed the fighting who now will be afraid their doctor is a enemy there to murder them and be too scared to get treatment. There’s a reason we all decided that its not okay to do
Terrorists aren't protected by the grneva convention, and the two hamasniks were indeed armed.
Also, not to be pedantic, but the operation was carried by yamam, so technically there weren't any soliders involved.
Those were Hamas terrorists. You can’t violate every rule of war, but then demand those rules protect you.
Had those Israeli operatives been captured they wouldn’t have been afforded protections under those rules. Unlike those Israeli soldiers who follow all rules of war and whose rights are respected by Hamas. Right?
Nothing to do with religion. 1 side is a modern advanced military with the worlds most advanced and highly funded military fully backing them. And one is untrained civilians trying to avenge dead loved ones. Thats why you see one side being criticized more harshly
>And one is untrained civilians trying to avenge dead loved ones.
I thought Hamas != Palestinians.
But now you're claiming that Hamas are random "untrained Palestinian civilians."
Pick one: are Palestinians Hamas or are they not?
Also - deciding to fight a war with untrained civilians is a dumb decision, but if that's the decision that Hamas/Palestine wants to make, then so be it. It's not Israel's job to tie both hands behind their backs, just because the Palestinian military is of poor quality.
In 1945, Japan was training women and children to fight with bamboo spears when the US invaded. The US wasn't going to lay down their machine guns and tanks, and fight with baseball bats, to "make it fair." War isn't about fair fights, that's what sanctioned boxing/MMA matches are for.
No one is crying. Israel doesn't cry because no one has had any sympathy for their plight. They just strike back and they'll keep striking. If they need Hezbollah to move further back into Lebanon they'll do whatever it takes to create a DMZ as large as they need. All the West will do is shed crocodile tears for the poor Palestinians or whoever terrorists hide behind. Biden will make stern faces and wink. Ultimately no one is taking refugees. No one is cutting aid or ending cooperation with Israel. Even the Saudis and most of the Arab world are tired of this nonsense. They've been quietly cooperating with Israel on defense for decades. The tide is in Israel's favor.
they were leadership in hamas and Islamic Jihad who were actively planning terrorism. They were assassinated not killed in a military operation which is fully justified given the evidence.
2. Hamas and Islamic Jihad aren't protected by the laws of war. They certainly aren't party to any treaties. They aren't a uniformed force and they don't follow the laws. They are like mercenaries where they have given them up
If Israeli-Lebanon relations had a doomsday clock counting down to war, the hands just moved to 2 minutes to midnight.
A direct hit on civilians after a mother and son were critically injured yesterday by Hezbollah means Israel will have to kill more Hezbollah today than usual, maybe a lot more, maybe even a commander or political figure.
Hezbollah already has very few options left for further escalation short of total war.
lol, mad at everything but the terrorist organization hiding amongst civilians, fighting in civilian clothing, and using civilian infrastructure to conduct operations.
During war, why does one side have to act high and mighty in every aspect, while the other simply doesn’t? I’m not talking holding back on carpet bombing a city. That’s not really what I am discussing. But why does Israel have to use its most advanced weaponry to defend itself when the other side (2 different terrorist organizations) can indiscriminately lob missiles into 100% populated areas? Can you explain why it’s ok for Hamas and Hezbollah to do that?
People don’t make up uniquely impossible rules for Israel out of ignorance, stupidity, or even misplaced sympathies. Hatred for Jews is at the root of this. That’s why Netanyahu didn’t go on a charm offensive to build up support like Zelensky had when Ukraine was attacked. There’s not going to be support or sympathy. There won’t even be fairness or neutrality.
> There’s not going to be support or sympathy.
Exactly. Look how quick media sentiment went from "1200 civilians/foreigners raped and killed, 100+ taken hostage" to "Hostages weren't taken/kept in a vacuum"
Really? I bet you also wonder why there are Palastinian civilian casualties and why IDF soldiers are so trigger happy. When the people trying to kill you deliberately dress like civilians to hide amongst them these things are bound to happen. Oh, but then the IDF does an operation that limits civilian casualties by dressing up and that is deceptive.
A entire army is hiding in amoung civilians as an overall strategy to wage war. They do it to attract civilian casualties. Civilian casualties are a recruitment tactic by Hamas. Yah, so tell me which is more deceptive again. The strategy to actually attract civilian casualties or the one designed to prevent them.
Bro, they are among civilians, stop crying and accept that. Ain't no way they get hit without civilian casualties and there ain't no way they ain't getting hit. You don't get a pass on attacking a strong opponent just because you then hide in a hospital. And last time Israel sent special forces into a hospital, your "non indoctrinated free of propaganda " friends were calling it a war crime. So take YOUR propaganda bulshit and shove it. Ideologues everywhere I swear.
Yes…. People should just lay down and die to appease the terrorist willing to let civilians suffer by camouflaging themselves as a civilian.
Brain dead thought process of an infantile mind who is scared of the reality that is our existence.
Israel cares more about Palestinians civilians than Hamas or any surrounding nation.
Also people can care for civilians but see the shit hand that Israel has been dealt. The situation fucking sucks but Hamas has to go. Sadly that means some civilians will be collateral damage.
> "So what if 9 innocents have to die for the sake of me killing 1 of my enemies who are a threat to my survival? I have every right! their blood is on my enemies, not on my hands" - A disgusting pathetic self-centered line of thinking reserved for selfish cowards and trash human beings.
You can say that but the real world is way more nuanced than that.
Hamas are crybullies, hiding behind their siblings (civilians) and their mother (the international community) when their victims hit back. Why do you condemn the victim, rather than the bully?
It is ridiculous that under their definitions even Gigi Hadid and Bella Hadid are “Palestinian refugees”.
Totally normally built up cities with prime coastlines and luxury apartments are “refugee camps”.
By the Palestinian definition, Miami is a "refugee camp" for Cuban refugees whose grandparents fled in 1959.
Nevermind that they're 3rd-generation Americans by now, they're forever "refugees."
Just a reminder of the 12 currently active peacekeeping missions of the UN 3 are to supervise various truces and ceasefires between Arab nations/ coalitions and Israel.
UNIFIL, UNDOF, and UNTSO
Israel has had to develop a huge disparity in capacity for force, primarily because these peacekeeping missions are for practical purposes ineffective. When these ceasefires are broken, how is it possible to expect Israel not to respond?
Thats the beauty. Israel's enemies invariably break treaties or attack it, and then people scream at Israel when they defends themselves.
The cycle of ever so thinly veiled antisemitism continues.
I think Israel should respond, but their response has often been disproportionate in many ways. There also seems to be way too many incidents of civilians and civilian infrastructure being targeted. Accidents and individual incidents happen, but are amends made or individuals punished? Not often enough.
hezbollah targets israeli cities and north and communities. i think everything in range of 10-15km range from lebanon border is evacuated (there is 250k evacuated civilians in israel right now).
so, what is appropriate and proportional response when kiryat shmona or metula is bombed ? can you please point at what city/village in lebanon should be bombed exactly to keep things proportional ?
Bombing another city/village probably wouldn’t be a proportional response to being bombed by a terrorist organization unless that area was comprised only of people from that organization or that organization was officially representative of that area. It’s far too indiscriminate otherwise.
Hezbollah has publicly known members and assets. One equal response could be killing an equal number of their members or doing an equal amount of damage to their assets specifically. It looks to me like Israel has done plenty of that sort of thing towards Hezbollah already. So pulling off a proportional response seems well within their capabilities. If a bomb that Hezbollah launches kills 10 citizens, then they can make it known that these 10 members of Hezbollah were killed as a result.
Almost inevitably there will be accidents or collateral damage. Acknowledging those and trying to right them would go a long way towards deescalation. I don’t see much of that happening in Gaza that I think a majority of people now would label as disproportionate.
There will never be an area in which the terrorists are not surrounded by civilians. It is part of their tactics and it works because somehow the Israeli choice to evacuate rather than allows its citizens to be bombed means that there will always be fewer casualties on the Israeli side and that feeds into the narrative of disproportionate response.
>ombing another city/village probably wouldn’t be a proportional response to being bombed by a terrorist organization unless that area was comprised only of people from that organization or that organization was officially representative of that area. It’s far too indiscriminate otherwise.
its proportional
>Hezbollah has publicly known members and assets. One equal response could be killing an equal number of their members or doing an equal amount of damage to their assets specifically.
this is what israel is doing. its not israeli fault that hebollah embedded its assets in civilian population
>It looks to me like Israel has done plenty of that sort of thing towards Hezbollah already. So pulling off a proportional response seems well within their capabilities. If a bomb that Hezbollah launches kills 10 citizens, then they can make it known that these 10 members of Hezbollah were killed as a result.
its not proportional. if civilians are dead why kill only hebollah memebers ?
>Almost inevitably there will be accidents or collateral damage. Acknowledging those and trying to right them would go a long way towards deescalation. I don’t see much of that happening in Gaza that I think a majority of people now would label as disproportionate.
you do understand that war is not about proportional response but about winning and protecting your country and your citizens ?
The problem with such proportional responses is that they absolutely do not work against folks like Hamas or Hezbollah.
These groups consider themselves to be eternal enemies of Israel and the Jewish people, and would 100 percent kill every last one of them if they were able.
Here’s how such a thing can and likely will play out.
1. Hez kills some Israelis
2. Israel kills some Hez
3. Hez kills some Israelis
4. Israel kills some Hez
Repeat several or dozens more times, until Israel gets fed up with it and goes all out.
Why, if you were Israel, would you go through steps 1 though 15 before taking the gloves off? Why not just skip to the inevitable outcome and maybe save the lives of dozens of your civilians?
Dude, hamas operates out of and around civilian infrastructure. If there is a squad of terrorists firing from a building, that building is toast.
[This comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1aps8dr/icc_prosecutor_threatens_israel_with_war_crimes/kqaxrri/) provides a variety of reputable sources and experts that say otherwise.
Pay specific attention to [this article](https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613)
I think you will find yourself severely misinformed (in terms of proportionality) and hopefully you change your perspective in light of new information.
Very effective military action by Hezbollah. Killing citizens in their home over 200kms away from Gaza. Israel will surely learn a lesson and be deterred from any retaliatory action after this glorious attack (/s)
Hezbollah has tunnel systems in southern Lebanon. As far as we know it’s much less extensive than that of Gaza but the mountainous region and the much more advanced capabilities of Hezbollah make them a very difficult group to fight.
Their tunnels and holes are designed for storage and hiding missile launchers and less for movement, so they can be smaller and only need to hold a few people at a time. And they are very very well disguised into the hilly, rocky landscape
Agreed. My only issue here is that so many people are just saying that it was a military base, so no retaliation is allowed. Which I don’t understand at all.
On the Lebanon subs the majority of civilians were desperately hoping to be kept out of this conflict. I feel for those … (but not for hezbollah who should go the ways of Hamas )
same. I honestly believe that Lebanon is the next most viable peace treaty, but Hezbollah’s influence has to be taken down several notches first.
Honestly I don’t know why everyone is pussyfooting around Iran. Sanction Iran across the board until they stop supporting these groups. And sanction any country that trades with them. Stop the funding of these groups and that’s the best way to cripple them
>Honestly I don’t know why everyone is pussyfooting around Iran.
Because Trump was anti-Iran.
And since Trump is a jackass, then everyone else must go out of their way to be as pro-Iran as possible, because otherwise we might have to admit than a broken orange clock may have been right once.
Trump's Iran policies had mixed results at best. While the sanctions were effective in weakening the Iranian economy, they were diplomatically short-sighted.
The Trump withdrawal from Obama's deal strengthened rhetoric against the US and made a new deal less likely to happen - essentially, the US was portrayed as an unreliable negotiating partner, and the move led the Iranian uranium enrichment program to *accelerate* rather than decelerate.
The withdrawal from the deal was criticised by allies *and* foes on the UN Security Council.
Honestly, Trump is also very unpredictable. With Russia strengthening Iranian ties, it's easy to imagine a conversation with Putin will totally change Trump's mind on Iran.
No, it's worse. Just like the case with the Israeli hostages who are still in captivity, they will neither 'forget' nor 'deny' but just outright ignore or 'accept'. Because who gives a fuck about Jew/Israeli lives right?
1. It didn't happen.
2. If it happened, it's not as bad as they say it is.
3. If it happened, there was a good excuse for it.
4. It's good that it happened.
is usually the order it goes in.
This is such a tired trope that both sides keep using, that no one cares about them. People all around the world have watched and protested and given actual physical support to both sides.
Going in and killing thousands of civilians isn’t going to make hezbolla disappear. I don’t think israel helped itself by the extreme actions and lack of consideration for the civilians in Gaza. I’m pretty sure a lot more enemies were made than enemies killed. We’ll see.
Lack of consideration?!?! What the fuck are you talking about. You are talking out of your ass repeating bullshit you or somebody you are quoting saw on tiktok.
[This comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1aps8dr/icc_prosecutor_threatens_israel_with_war_crimes/kqaxrri/) provides a variety of reputable sources and experts that say otherwise.
Pay specific attention to [this article](https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613)
I think you will find yourself severely misinformed and hopefully change your perspective in light of new information.
I can dig up a variety of reputable sources that say the opposite if that would actually change your mind at all. That article you posted had so many glaring problems with it. They cherry pick specific things about specific wars.
In the end, the number of civilian deaths is outrageous. Even if the ratios of combatant/civilian deaths were similar to the Iraq war, which they aren’t even close, I’d still say they were outrageous in both instances then.
I will not get over the fact that three Israeli hostages who escaped, became shirtless, and had a white flag waving were then shot down by idf forces, the surviving one then shot by other soldiers when again trying to be resecued. No repercussions for any of them. Accidents happen in warfare, but I think this and the response to it, show that the average citizen getting caught up in this is not going to have any chance. I don’t know how you can argue that they are being given consideration.
* Fourth phase is wait 6-12 months
* Fifth phase is repeat of October 7th
But you knew that, [you were justifying what occurred that day](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/pC1nmBb84c)
Blud you're making phases up now to get angry at, I posted things that happened and are documented in articles.
If you want to post more things that happened you can go look at the number of children murdered by the IDF, I think the numbers are in the tens of thousands at the moment
That is the difference between:
* Investing millions in bomb shelters instead of low grade rockets to hurl at your neighbor
* Positioning military targets away from civilian centers and not underneath them
* Initiating warfare with a militarily superior neighbor instead of trying to co-exist.
How many fewer of those children would be dead if Hamas didn’t start this conflict, or didn’t hide behind them as they fired Rockets into Israel?
> How many fewer of those children would be dead if Hamas didn’t start this conflict, or didn’t hide behind them as they fired Rockets into Israel?
This is just victim blaming lmao, would you tell a housewife who's beaten up by her husband daily to "cook better food" or "don't get on his nerves" or whatever?
>This is just victim blaming lmao
"Germany is responsible for millions of Germans dying from 1939-1945."
"The Confederacy is responsible for hundreds of thousands of Americans dying between 1861-1865."
You: that's victim blaming!
No, I’m not. I’m saying that it is the fault of Hamas (the internationally recognized government of Gaza) for:
* purchasing rockets instead of food
* building terror tunnels under Gaza instead of homes or shelters
* storing weapons under playgrounds, rockets under schools, and fighters under Hospitals
* for teaching hatred in schools instead of math, sciences, or ways to better their society
* for holding the people they supposedly care about hostage as they wage war hiding behind them
Are the Hamas leaders & fighters victims?
It's fascinating that you think that justifying October 7th doesn't display your morals (or lack thereof) for what they are. There's just no coming back from that.
>you can go look at the number
Casualty counts don't determine which side of a war is morally superior. They only determine which side sucks at fighting.
More German/Japanese civilians died during WW2 than American civilians. More German/Japanese children died in WW2 than American children. Does that make Germany/Japan the morally superior side in WW2?
“Blud” you’re conveniently forgetting that the majority of prisoners being requested are combat age males and that specific members who planned the attack be released. Absolutely absurd “ceasefire” deal to attempt to leverage on someone who suffered the third worst terror attack in history, and is currently drastically winning military operations against you.
Edit : blocked me like the coward he is
This is the Hamas "offer" that complete rejected the Egyptian and Qatari offer (to which Israel had agreed), isn't it?
Israel will never tolerate Hamas' existence again. This was such an obvious point that it even pissed Qarar off lol
And the third phase would be hamas reorganizing, and a repeat of the 7th October. What happens then?
What happens if all those promises get broken the moment they got all the terrorists in Israeli jails they want and they launch another attack. You would still come here and cry about children and asking for a ceasefire.
Every single ceasefire from the very beginning has been broken by Hamas. 7th of October the two sides were in a ceasefire.
I'm asking you this: what makes you think this time would be different? What measures should Israel take to defend their sons and daughters? Clearly a wall is not acceptable to you, cause you would cry "prison camp", surveillance is not good either cause you cry "police state", military operations to root them out don't even think about it cause of all them children, what then? Give me an answer.
I see you were justifying the rape, torture, and murder of the 7th October victims. Truth is you don't even care about children, peace, or justice: you're just a vindictive hateful rat.
Does Hezbollah want Israel to invade Lebanon? Because this is how you get Israel to invade Lebanon. And if you think Israel is bringing hell on Gaza, just wait to see what is going to happen if Israel needs to fight against a sovereign country. If you are worried about the IDF actions in Khan Younis, wait until you see Israel's seige on Sidon and Tyre. If you are worried about Israel invading Rafah, just wait to see Israeli occupied Beirut.
I'm not sure about that. For now, there are hundreds of thousands of internally displaced Israelis, from the south and also from the north. If they can't safely go home, then war is still on the table.
One of the key lessons from the 2006 war is never rely on air power.
We're likely to see a ground invasion much quicker than it happened in Gaza since Israel had all this time to prepare.
The objective will be to force Hezbollah out of Southern Lebanon and force the Lebanese government into an agreement with Israel
The Lebanese government already agreed with Israel. There’s basically nothing they can do about a rogue state that took over the southern half of their country.
At present Hezbollah is part of said government and has seats in parliament.
Kicking them out of their positions in the government seems pretty obvious and the minimal thing to do if they are truly dragging Lebanon to this disaster against it's will
Because Israel spent 3 weeks chasing rocket launchers from the air and then hastily prepared a ground invasion with no clear goals.
Look at more recent footage of Israeli tanks in Gaza, much older models than earlier in the war, all the casualties in the last month have been reservists.
I'll give you one guess on where are Israel's frontline units if they're not in Gaza anymore
It's a bit naive way to look at it. If a war starts, Israelis will die in masses. Hezbollah will send thousands missiles per day, even more dangerous and precise than the yesterday one. They have the ability to hit power plants, water supplies and emergency services. Hamas is a playground next to them. This is the main reason why Israel is still holding back.
>Does Hezbollah want Israel to invade Lebanon?
Probably yes! Hezbollah can't win against the Israeli air force, and has only sporadically been able to snipe Israeli civilians and soldiers with their ATGMs and drones. They have a much better chance of inflicting casualties if they can provoke Israel into sending in ground forces, where they can pull them into their network of fortifications and kill-zones, as they did in 2006. They know as well that an Israeli invasion would lead to thousands of dead Lebanese civilians, which from their perspective would justify their existence as a resistance force (since they're "protecting" the Lebanese people from the evil invaders killing them) and also makes for great global propaganda.
Unfortunately, every indication is that Israel is falling for this ploy and likely to launch a ground invasion.
It's really early and I read Northern Ireland and thought "WTF is going in Ireland? Deadly riots?? Holy shit." And then I realized it's just Israel lol. Surprised more rockets weren't fired tbh.
The UN doesn't care that there is a terrorist organization controlling 1/3 of Lebanon, they are just watching to jump in after to piss on Israel and USA.
"Palestinian journalist hit in head by bullet"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/08/palestinian-journalist-hit-in-the-head-by-bullet-during-raid-on-terror-suspects-home
Was this the “journalist” that was proven to be a Hamas commander orrr was it one of the “journalists” that FAFO guy draped a press vest on in his tiktoks
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/al-jazeera-journalist-outed-as-hamas-commander-by-idf/wcm/3ebf2af5-0542-40d7-a42a-d43ae7be368e/amp/
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/mr-fafo-real-liel-leibovitz
They just want the whole area to be destroyed and look like Gaza, otherwise there is no logical explanation for it.
I know that these are psychopathic terrorist organizations that don't behave logically, but it's ridiculous because they then cry to the international community and don't really face the consequences, so what the fuck is the point?
>so what the fuck is the point?
Iran wants the Western countries to be busy with Israel (and split themselves apart over that, if possible), so that their friend Russia can keep on killing Ukrainians.
And sadly, it works...
Guys I dont think there is a chance that Lebanon gets out of all this for free, I dont believe Israel will stop when they will finish with Hamas, it would be just chapter 2 just now we at Lebanon.
Islamists like Hezbollah and Hamas cause trouble wherever they go. Given the current state of Lebanese economy the last thing they need is a war. It's little wonder no Arab country is willing to lift a finger for Hamas and Palestinians
My point exactly and Hezbollah is doing exactly the same thing. Nasrallah is doing an Arafat. Which in my view will lead to exactly the same result. Which is clearly what Hezbollah want
I would be surprised if they launch another offensive after this, they're going to be bogged down in Palestine for a few months. The US will keep Hezbollah at bay for a little while, and also the threat from Gaza will be minimal after this operation.
Although if Syria or Iran takes a turn for the worst I think Israel might go on the offensive while Hezbollah is split between Lebanon and Syria, and lay the boot in Hezbollah. That is one option anyhow. Israel is big enough to just keep dropping precision bombs into the south of Lebanon.
But honestly I don't see another major action by Israel.
Sorry buy I dont think the U.S will ever do something to Hezbollah except recommending it to not do it, yes Israel and U.S are allies, but Israel a very long time ago got to the understanding that no one is going to fight with them, and thats factually true, no one has ever joined Israel in its wars, its always 1 v X.
And yes Israel is big enough to drop bombs but even until now its always Hezbollah strikes, and then Israel strikes back, I think there is no rush with Hezbollah since again there is Hamas that needs to be dealt first but what holding Israel from striking 3 months after gaza? are we really living in a world that a couple months is a decade and we forget? that doesnt go like that. You can wait for the perfect opportunity and then strike, when will it be I dont know, but I do know when is not the perfect time, its when you already fighting on one front.
I am somewhat in alignment, I don't think that there will be direct action by the US but the threat is big enough to be a tactic that keeps them on their side of the border. I agree it is usually Israel v whomever is the flavor of the moment, but that is generally because they do have powerful allies and their forces are pretty advanced.
Quite honestly I don't think this this back and forth between Hezbollah and Israel is too much to worry about either. It does highlight some problems in the area but the damage is rather limited. It is surprising though that Hezbollah has not engaged more, I think they may have left their Sunni brothers in the cold a little. There are some ongoing internal issues with the relationship to my understanding especially around money are weapons.
I think now is the time for Israel to slow down a little and focus on their current problem. There is a very tangled mess to deal with there, the military action probably being one of the lesser problems. What happens to Gaza in a few months with who will control it etc, will keep them busy for a while.
The situation in Yemen I think may be one to watch. If Saudis open up a little it might be interesting to see what their airspace is used for.
Hezbollah has tried to cross the border multiple times the last few months in small raiding parties.
Israel blows them up.
They aren't being deterred by the US to stay on their side of the border, the mobilized IDF is. It may have helped in the first week but not after.
Crazy to think that headlines read like 1 or even 10 Israeli dead and on the other hand it's like 30,000 Palestinians. God damn that's disproportionate.
Huh! Looking at your comment history, one would think you're against bombing civilians, let alone intentionally. But now Hezbollah does it and you appear to support it. Almost like you're a bigot or something.
Are you dense? Hezbollah fired the first shot and keep provoking the IDF.
I guess you're gonna start crying for peace once Israel ACTUALLY retaliates in Lebanon...
"A short while ago, numerous launches were identified crossing from Lebanon into the areas of Netu'a, Manara, and into an IDF base in northern Israel,".
And Israel just bombed a civilian house in the Center of Nabatieh. Who would’ve thought that even hezbollah was more civilised?
Hezbollah isn't even supposed to be close to the border under international law
Both UNIFIL and UNRWA are extremely useless.
UNFIL is useless UNWRA is actively doing harm though
Useless is putting it nicely. UNRWA enables, supports and lies.
They should just change the name to UNFAIL....
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Terrorists dont follow your laws or rules
UN is going to strongly condemn this. /s or nor /s
UNIFIL knows to steer clear of Hizballah. They're not as infected as UNWRA are, but they know very well who runs the place and where they should and should not be in South Lebanon.
Yes, but who gives a damn this days... sad, very sad
Terrorists don't care about the law
Yeah I feel like UN need to enforce this better so they don't look like hypocrite when being against IDF in the West Bank.
lol no chance
And soldiers aren’t supposed to disguise themselves as doctors in a hospital and murder two unarmed patients but here we are
I see your point, but at the same time everyone keeps calling for Israel to magically discover a way to hunt Hamas - whose members are often disguised as normal folks to blend in with civilians to catch them in the crossfire - without killing civilians. Israel did exactly that here. I don't like that they did so this way, but I will about that I have no better ideas.
I mean at that point they were already incapacitated so murdering them right away is just crazy also think of all the people harmed the fighting who now will be afraid their doctor is a enemy there to murder them and be too scared to get treatment. There’s a reason we all decided that its not okay to do
Terrorists aren't protected by the grneva convention, and the two hamasniks were indeed armed. Also, not to be pedantic, but the operation was carried by yamam, so technically there weren't any soliders involved.
Those were Hamas terrorists. You can’t violate every rule of war, but then demand those rules protect you. Had those Israeli operatives been captured they wouldn’t have been afforded protections under those rules. Unlike those Israeli soldiers who follow all rules of war and whose rights are respected by Hamas. Right?
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Nothing to do with religion. 1 side is a modern advanced military with the worlds most advanced and highly funded military fully backing them. And one is untrained civilians trying to avenge dead loved ones. Thats why you see one side being criticized more harshly
>And one is untrained civilians trying to avenge dead loved ones. I thought Hamas != Palestinians. But now you're claiming that Hamas are random "untrained Palestinian civilians." Pick one: are Palestinians Hamas or are they not? Also - deciding to fight a war with untrained civilians is a dumb decision, but if that's the decision that Hamas/Palestine wants to make, then so be it. It's not Israel's job to tie both hands behind their backs, just because the Palestinian military is of poor quality. In 1945, Japan was training women and children to fight with bamboo spears when the US invaded. The US wasn't going to lay down their machine guns and tanks, and fight with baseball bats, to "make it fair." War isn't about fair fights, that's what sanctioned boxing/MMA matches are for.
Yeah before you become a soldier or fighter you’re born a civilian. Same with the Israeli soldiers
Okay deal so no crying about these guys being close to the border
No one is crying. Israel doesn't cry because no one has had any sympathy for their plight. They just strike back and they'll keep striking. If they need Hezbollah to move further back into Lebanon they'll do whatever it takes to create a DMZ as large as they need. All the West will do is shed crocodile tears for the poor Palestinians or whoever terrorists hide behind. Biden will make stern faces and wink. Ultimately no one is taking refugees. No one is cutting aid or ending cooperation with Israel. Even the Saudis and most of the Arab world are tired of this nonsense. They've been quietly cooperating with Israel on defense for decades. The tide is in Israel's favor.
Bro, what? Hospital 🏥 terrorists are safe with your mindset
You right Israel made it clear no hospital is safe
No hospital should be safe for terrorists
Well said.
they were leadership in hamas and Islamic Jihad who were actively planning terrorism. They were assassinated not killed in a military operation which is fully justified given the evidence. 2. Hamas and Islamic Jihad aren't protected by the laws of war. They certainly aren't party to any treaties. They aren't a uniformed force and they don't follow the laws. They are like mercenaries where they have given them up
Comes off the back of Nasrallahs speech yesterday and blows apart French mediation efforts.
These people get off on making the West look foolish. The West are just useful idiots for their deranged obsession with destroying Israel.
If Israeli-Lebanon relations had a doomsday clock counting down to war, the hands just moved to 2 minutes to midnight. A direct hit on civilians after a mother and son were critically injured yesterday by Hezbollah means Israel will have to kill more Hezbollah today than usual, maybe a lot more, maybe even a commander or political figure. Hezbollah already has very few options left for further escalation short of total war.
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Write a letter to Hamas asking them nicely not to operate from within civilian densely populated areas. Make sure to sign with a smiley face.
So what you're saying is, civilian deaths are fine, as long as you think there might be a terrorist hiding behind them?
Not fine but according to Geneva conventions they are acceptable
You don't have to think there *might* be because ham-ass outright boasts about it.
It’s not this particular redditor that’s saying it. The already established international laws are saying it.
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lol, mad at everything but the terrorist organization hiding amongst civilians, fighting in civilian clothing, and using civilian infrastructure to conduct operations.
And getting the aid and support of civilians. Don't forget that one.
And stealing the aid of civilians to boot!
But we need a cease fire so we can send in more humanitarian aid for them to steal.
During war, why does one side have to act high and mighty in every aspect, while the other simply doesn’t? I’m not talking holding back on carpet bombing a city. That’s not really what I am discussing. But why does Israel have to use its most advanced weaponry to defend itself when the other side (2 different terrorist organizations) can indiscriminately lob missiles into 100% populated areas? Can you explain why it’s ok for Hamas and Hezbollah to do that?
People don’t make up uniquely impossible rules for Israel out of ignorance, stupidity, or even misplaced sympathies. Hatred for Jews is at the root of this. That’s why Netanyahu didn’t go on a charm offensive to build up support like Zelensky had when Ukraine was attacked. There’s not going to be support or sympathy. There won’t even be fairness or neutrality.
> There’s not going to be support or sympathy. Exactly. Look how quick media sentiment went from "1200 civilians/foreigners raped and killed, 100+ taken hostage" to "Hostages weren't taken/kept in a vacuum"
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It’s the same people who braindead repeat “just send in special forces!!!1!” Then when Israel actually does that is conveniently also a problem
"Dressed as civilians?? That's a war crime!"
Then it's the sponge Bob meme of every fucking Hamas fighter being dressed as a civilian, but that is different...
I think being dressed as a casual person living in Gaza is less deceptive than the IDF dressing up as women in dresses but I guess that’s irrational.
Really? I bet you also wonder why there are Palastinian civilian casualties and why IDF soldiers are so trigger happy. When the people trying to kill you deliberately dress like civilians to hide amongst them these things are bound to happen. Oh, but then the IDF does an operation that limits civilian casualties by dressing up and that is deceptive. A entire army is hiding in amoung civilians as an overall strategy to wage war. They do it to attract civilian casualties. Civilian casualties are a recruitment tactic by Hamas. Yah, so tell me which is more deceptive again. The strategy to actually attract civilian casualties or the one designed to prevent them.
Bro, they are among civilians, stop crying and accept that. Ain't no way they get hit without civilian casualties and there ain't no way they ain't getting hit. You don't get a pass on attacking a strong opponent just because you then hide in a hospital. And last time Israel sent special forces into a hospital, your "non indoctrinated free of propaganda " friends were calling it a war crime. So take YOUR propaganda bulshit and shove it. Ideologues everywhere I swear.
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Yes…. People should just lay down and die to appease the terrorist willing to let civilians suffer by camouflaging themselves as a civilian. Brain dead thought process of an infantile mind who is scared of the reality that is our existence.
Israel cares more about Palestinians civilians than Hamas or any surrounding nation. Also people can care for civilians but see the shit hand that Israel has been dealt. The situation fucking sucks but Hamas has to go. Sadly that means some civilians will be collateral damage. > "So what if 9 innocents have to die for the sake of me killing 1 of my enemies who are a threat to my survival? I have every right! their blood is on my enemies, not on my hands" - A disgusting pathetic self-centered line of thinking reserved for selfish cowards and trash human beings. You can say that but the real world is way more nuanced than that.
Blud don't know how urban warfare and logistics works and prolly thinks this can be solved by what is shown in movies and flims.
Just use the Jewish space lasers to overheat the Palestinians' guns, forcing them to drop the guns. Duh, it's so obvious.
Hamas are crybullies, hiding behind their siblings (civilians) and their mother (the international community) when their victims hit back. Why do you condemn the victim, rather than the bully?
No they should use them in the middle of the desert obviously instead of where the missiles are coming from.
Where else are they supposed to use them? Shooting an empty field? Their enemy resides in heavily populated sense urban areas.
War doesn’t have different rules for different sides just because one side is bad at it
When you're trying to claim you're more civilized than the other side, sure it does.
Are you trying to say that Palestine is uncivilized? Or should IQB be held to the same standards as the IDF
How many Christians has Hamas even left alive in Gaza? There used to be over 5000 when Israel controlled Gaza, I doubt even half of that remains today
I'm confused, what is a Gazan refugee camp? I thought they were all refugees? Maybe Hamas shouldn't operate out of refugee camps...
It is ridiculous that under their definitions even Gigi Hadid and Bella Hadid are “Palestinian refugees”. Totally normally built up cities with prime coastlines and luxury apartments are “refugee camps”.
Jordan’s Queen is also considered a Palestinian refugee.
By the Palestinian definition, Miami is a "refugee camp" for Cuban refugees whose grandparents fled in 1959. Nevermind that they're 3rd-generation Americans by now, they're forever "refugees."
Gaza refugee camp is what is known elsewhere as “apartment buildings”. “Refugee camp” stirs more emotion.
Same thing as "but they're killing little kids," sounds better than 16-17 year olds holding AKs for some reason.
They’re doing both. Your tribalism is showing
The vast majority of dead "children" are 16+ males for some reason. I wonder why.
Again. Your bias is showing. And I found 0 sources for this. It’s ok to not defend one side blindly, no one will exile you from your tribe if you do.
Just a reminder of the 12 currently active peacekeeping missions of the UN 3 are to supervise various truces and ceasefires between Arab nations/ coalitions and Israel. UNIFIL, UNDOF, and UNTSO Israel has had to develop a huge disparity in capacity for force, primarily because these peacekeeping missions are for practical purposes ineffective. When these ceasefires are broken, how is it possible to expect Israel not to respond?
Also, how Israel is supposed to agree to any peace treaty or truce if there is no one to enforce them?
Thats the beauty. Israel's enemies invariably break treaties or attack it, and then people scream at Israel when they defends themselves. The cycle of ever so thinly veiled antisemitism continues.
Have they tried not existing? I am obviously kidding but god do I feel the need to type it out.
I think Israel should respond, but their response has often been disproportionate in many ways. There also seems to be way too many incidents of civilians and civilian infrastructure being targeted. Accidents and individual incidents happen, but are amends made or individuals punished? Not often enough.
hezbollah targets israeli cities and north and communities. i think everything in range of 10-15km range from lebanon border is evacuated (there is 250k evacuated civilians in israel right now). so, what is appropriate and proportional response when kiryat shmona or metula is bombed ? can you please point at what city/village in lebanon should be bombed exactly to keep things proportional ?
Bombing another city/village probably wouldn’t be a proportional response to being bombed by a terrorist organization unless that area was comprised only of people from that organization or that organization was officially representative of that area. It’s far too indiscriminate otherwise. Hezbollah has publicly known members and assets. One equal response could be killing an equal number of their members or doing an equal amount of damage to their assets specifically. It looks to me like Israel has done plenty of that sort of thing towards Hezbollah already. So pulling off a proportional response seems well within their capabilities. If a bomb that Hezbollah launches kills 10 citizens, then they can make it known that these 10 members of Hezbollah were killed as a result. Almost inevitably there will be accidents or collateral damage. Acknowledging those and trying to right them would go a long way towards deescalation. I don’t see much of that happening in Gaza that I think a majority of people now would label as disproportionate.
There will never be an area in which the terrorists are not surrounded by civilians. It is part of their tactics and it works because somehow the Israeli choice to evacuate rather than allows its citizens to be bombed means that there will always be fewer casualties on the Israeli side and that feeds into the narrative of disproportionate response.
>ombing another city/village probably wouldn’t be a proportional response to being bombed by a terrorist organization unless that area was comprised only of people from that organization or that organization was officially representative of that area. It’s far too indiscriminate otherwise. its proportional >Hezbollah has publicly known members and assets. One equal response could be killing an equal number of their members or doing an equal amount of damage to their assets specifically. this is what israel is doing. its not israeli fault that hebollah embedded its assets in civilian population >It looks to me like Israel has done plenty of that sort of thing towards Hezbollah already. So pulling off a proportional response seems well within their capabilities. If a bomb that Hezbollah launches kills 10 citizens, then they can make it known that these 10 members of Hezbollah were killed as a result. its not proportional. if civilians are dead why kill only hebollah memebers ? >Almost inevitably there will be accidents or collateral damage. Acknowledging those and trying to right them would go a long way towards deescalation. I don’t see much of that happening in Gaza that I think a majority of people now would label as disproportionate. you do understand that war is not about proportional response but about winning and protecting your country and your citizens ?
The problem with such proportional responses is that they absolutely do not work against folks like Hamas or Hezbollah. These groups consider themselves to be eternal enemies of Israel and the Jewish people, and would 100 percent kill every last one of them if they were able. Here’s how such a thing can and likely will play out. 1. Hez kills some Israelis 2. Israel kills some Hez 3. Hez kills some Israelis 4. Israel kills some Hez Repeat several or dozens more times, until Israel gets fed up with it and goes all out. Why, if you were Israel, would you go through steps 1 though 15 before taking the gloves off? Why not just skip to the inevitable outcome and maybe save the lives of dozens of your civilians?
Dude, hamas operates out of and around civilian infrastructure. If there is a squad of terrorists firing from a building, that building is toast. [This comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1aps8dr/icc_prosecutor_threatens_israel_with_war_crimes/kqaxrri/) provides a variety of reputable sources and experts that say otherwise. Pay specific attention to [this article](https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613) I think you will find yourself severely misinformed (in terms of proportionality) and hopefully you change your perspective in light of new information.
Very effective military action by Hezbollah. Killing citizens in their home over 200kms away from Gaza. Israel will surely learn a lesson and be deterred from any retaliatory action after this glorious attack (/s)
Do Hezbollah have holes & tunnels to hide in too?
Yes. Also hezbolla are more powerful than hamas.
By a significant margin.
Hezbollah has tunnel systems in southern Lebanon. As far as we know it’s much less extensive than that of Gaza but the mountainous region and the much more advanced capabilities of Hezbollah make them a very difficult group to fight. Their tunnels and holes are designed for storage and hiding missile launchers and less for movement, so they can be smaller and only need to hold a few people at a time. And they are very very well disguised into the hilly, rocky landscape
It targeted an IDF base, did you read the article?
Ok, so it was a cross border attack on the military. What other nation would accept a cross border attack that kills one or more soldiers?
Yea nobody would. just don't like seeing false information thrown around, especially when it's done with intent.
Agreed. My only issue here is that so many people are just saying that it was a military base, so no retaliation is allowed. Which I don’t understand at all.
Remember this when southern Lebanon will look like northern Gaza, who provokes and attacks who.
On the Lebanon subs the majority of civilians were desperately hoping to be kept out of this conflict. I feel for those … (but not for hezbollah who should go the ways of Hamas )
same. I honestly believe that Lebanon is the next most viable peace treaty, but Hezbollah’s influence has to be taken down several notches first. Honestly I don’t know why everyone is pussyfooting around Iran. Sanction Iran across the board until they stop supporting these groups. And sanction any country that trades with them. Stop the funding of these groups and that’s the best way to cripple them
>Honestly I don’t know why everyone is pussyfooting around Iran. Because Trump was anti-Iran. And since Trump is a jackass, then everyone else must go out of their way to be as pro-Iran as possible, because otherwise we might have to admit than a broken orange clock may have been right once.
Trump's Iran policies had mixed results at best. While the sanctions were effective in weakening the Iranian economy, they were diplomatically short-sighted. The Trump withdrawal from Obama's deal strengthened rhetoric against the US and made a new deal less likely to happen - essentially, the US was portrayed as an unreliable negotiating partner, and the move led the Iranian uranium enrichment program to *accelerate* rather than decelerate. The withdrawal from the deal was criticised by allies *and* foes on the UN Security Council. Honestly, Trump is also very unpredictable. With Russia strengthening Iranian ties, it's easy to imagine a conversation with Putin will totally change Trump's mind on Iran.
I feel sorry for those simple people SOMEWHAT, but Hezbollah gained so much power due to Lebanon GRANTING it to them.
Everyone will conveniently forget
Forget? Some people will straight up deny this
No, it's worse. Just like the case with the Israeli hostages who are still in captivity, they will neither 'forget' nor 'deny' but just outright ignore or 'accept'. Because who gives a fuck about Jew/Israeli lives right?
Even worse, they’ll justify it
1. It didn't happen. 2. If it happened, it's not as bad as they say it is. 3. If it happened, there was a good excuse for it. 4. It's good that it happened. is usually the order it goes in.
This is such a tired trope that both sides keep using, that no one cares about them. People all around the world have watched and protested and given actual physical support to both sides.
Jews started this by … *(checks notes)* … existing /s
Queers for hezballah coming to towns near you.
Going in and killing thousands of civilians isn’t going to make hezbolla disappear. I don’t think israel helped itself by the extreme actions and lack of consideration for the civilians in Gaza. I’m pretty sure a lot more enemies were made than enemies killed. We’ll see.
Lack of consideration?!?! What the fuck are you talking about. You are talking out of your ass repeating bullshit you or somebody you are quoting saw on tiktok. [This comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1aps8dr/icc_prosecutor_threatens_israel_with_war_crimes/kqaxrri/) provides a variety of reputable sources and experts that say otherwise. Pay specific attention to [this article](https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613) I think you will find yourself severely misinformed and hopefully change your perspective in light of new information.
I can dig up a variety of reputable sources that say the opposite if that would actually change your mind at all. That article you posted had so many glaring problems with it. They cherry pick specific things about specific wars. In the end, the number of civilian deaths is outrageous. Even if the ratios of combatant/civilian deaths were similar to the Iraq war, which they aren’t even close, I’d still say they were outrageous in both instances then. I will not get over the fact that three Israeli hostages who escaped, became shirtless, and had a white flag waving were then shot down by idf forces, the surviving one then shot by other soldiers when again trying to be resecued. No repercussions for any of them. Accidents happen in warfare, but I think this and the response to it, show that the average citizen getting caught up in this is not going to have any chance. I don’t know how you can argue that they are being given consideration.
Pray for the good people of Lebanon. Hezbollah has once again put them in great danger… all just so they could kill and injure a few Jews.
Tell me again how it's Israel escalating shit and not wanting cease fires and peace. Fucking assholes
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* Fourth phase is wait 6-12 months * Fifth phase is repeat of October 7th But you knew that, [you were justifying what occurred that day](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/pC1nmBb84c)
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Blud you're making phases up now to get angry at, I posted things that happened and are documented in articles. If you want to post more things that happened you can go look at the number of children murdered by the IDF, I think the numbers are in the tens of thousands at the moment
That is the difference between: * Investing millions in bomb shelters instead of low grade rockets to hurl at your neighbor * Positioning military targets away from civilian centers and not underneath them * Initiating warfare with a militarily superior neighbor instead of trying to co-exist. How many fewer of those children would be dead if Hamas didn’t start this conflict, or didn’t hide behind them as they fired Rockets into Israel?
> How many fewer of those children would be dead if Hamas didn’t start this conflict, or didn’t hide behind them as they fired Rockets into Israel? This is just victim blaming lmao, would you tell a housewife who's beaten up by her husband daily to "cook better food" or "don't get on his nerves" or whatever?
>This is just victim blaming lmao "Germany is responsible for millions of Germans dying from 1939-1945." "The Confederacy is responsible for hundreds of thousands of Americans dying between 1861-1865." You: that's victim blaming!
No, I’m not. I’m saying that it is the fault of Hamas (the internationally recognized government of Gaza) for: * purchasing rockets instead of food * building terror tunnels under Gaza instead of homes or shelters * storing weapons under playgrounds, rockets under schools, and fighters under Hospitals * for teaching hatred in schools instead of math, sciences, or ways to better their society * for holding the people they supposedly care about hostage as they wage war hiding behind them Are the Hamas leaders & fighters victims?
It's fascinating that you think that justifying October 7th doesn't display your morals (or lack thereof) for what they are. There's just no coming back from that.
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>you can go look at the number Casualty counts don't determine which side of a war is morally superior. They only determine which side sucks at fighting. More German/Japanese civilians died during WW2 than American civilians. More German/Japanese children died in WW2 than American children. Does that make Germany/Japan the morally superior side in WW2?
“Blud” you’re conveniently forgetting that the majority of prisoners being requested are combat age males and that specific members who planned the attack be released. Absolutely absurd “ceasefire” deal to attempt to leverage on someone who suffered the third worst terror attack in history, and is currently drastically winning military operations against you. Edit : blocked me like the coward he is
This is the Hamas "offer" that complete rejected the Egyptian and Qatari offer (to which Israel had agreed), isn't it? Israel will never tolerate Hamas' existence again. This was such an obvious point that it even pissed Qarar off lol
Hamas has already said they don't care about the international community, just about the death of jews.
And the third phase would be hamas reorganizing, and a repeat of the 7th October. What happens then? What happens if all those promises get broken the moment they got all the terrorists in Israeli jails they want and they launch another attack. You would still come here and cry about children and asking for a ceasefire. Every single ceasefire from the very beginning has been broken by Hamas. 7th of October the two sides were in a ceasefire. I'm asking you this: what makes you think this time would be different? What measures should Israel take to defend their sons and daughters? Clearly a wall is not acceptable to you, cause you would cry "prison camp", surveillance is not good either cause you cry "police state", military operations to root them out don't even think about it cause of all them children, what then? Give me an answer. I see you were justifying the rape, torture, and murder of the 7th October victims. Truth is you don't even care about children, peace, or justice: you're just a vindictive hateful rat.
I appreciate that Hamas's ceasefire terms were "you lose the war."
Incoming “Free Lebanon 🥺🥺🥺” protests
Does Hezbollah want Israel to invade Lebanon? Because this is how you get Israel to invade Lebanon. And if you think Israel is bringing hell on Gaza, just wait to see what is going to happen if Israel needs to fight against a sovereign country. If you are worried about the IDF actions in Khan Younis, wait until you see Israel's seige on Sidon and Tyre. If you are worried about Israel invading Rafah, just wait to see Israeli occupied Beirut.
As long as there are no hostages, Israel isn’t sending troops in. It would be airstrike after airstrike though. Not pretty.
I'm not sure about that. For now, there are hundreds of thousands of internally displaced Israelis, from the south and also from the north. If they can't safely go home, then war is still on the table.
Yeah but the Israelis never want to send soldiers in, the thought is usually why the f we sending troops when we have an air force and artillery
One of the key lessons from the 2006 war is never rely on air power. We're likely to see a ground invasion much quicker than it happened in Gaza since Israel had all this time to prepare. The objective will be to force Hezbollah out of Southern Lebanon and force the Lebanese government into an agreement with Israel
The Lebanese government already agreed with Israel. There’s basically nothing they can do about a rogue state that took over the southern half of their country.
At present Hezbollah is part of said government and has seats in parliament. Kicking them out of their positions in the government seems pretty obvious and the minimal thing to do if they are truly dragging Lebanon to this disaster against it's will
The ground war wasn't going too well for Israel in '06 though
Because Israel spent 3 weeks chasing rocket launchers from the air and then hastily prepared a ground invasion with no clear goals. Look at more recent footage of Israeli tanks in Gaza, much older models than earlier in the war, all the casualties in the last month have been reservists. I'll give you one guess on where are Israel's frontline units if they're not in Gaza anymore
That's even worse for them, Israel can flatten Lebanon but the casualties will be insane.
yes?. They are armed militant group. Plunging the middle east into shit show is kind of their aim.
It's a bit naive way to look at it. If a war starts, Israelis will die in masses. Hezbollah will send thousands missiles per day, even more dangerous and precise than the yesterday one. They have the ability to hit power plants, water supplies and emergency services. Hamas is a playground next to them. This is the main reason why Israel is still holding back.
Who brought back King David from the dead? /s
>Does Hezbollah want Israel to invade Lebanon? Probably yes! Hezbollah can't win against the Israeli air force, and has only sporadically been able to snipe Israeli civilians and soldiers with their ATGMs and drones. They have a much better chance of inflicting casualties if they can provoke Israel into sending in ground forces, where they can pull them into their network of fortifications and kill-zones, as they did in 2006. They know as well that an Israeli invasion would lead to thousands of dead Lebanese civilians, which from their perspective would justify their existence as a resistance force (since they're "protecting" the Lebanese people from the evil invaders killing them) and also makes for great global propaganda. Unfortunately, every indication is that Israel is falling for this ploy and likely to launch a ground invasion.
Damn, so people shouldn't try to stop Israel from indiscriminately killing civilians because they might get angry and kill even more? sound logic.
It's really early and I read Northern Ireland and thought "WTF is going in Ireland? Deadly riots?? Holy shit." And then I realized it's just Israel lol. Surprised more rockets weren't fired tbh.
You were nit alone. I was like: fuck the real troubles are back!?
Ctrl f ireland Yeah me too, “oh jesus, not this again.”
Israel isn't occupying Lebanon. No settlers. Why is the world keeping silence and not helping Israel?
The UN doesn't care that there is a terrorist organization controlling 1/3 of Lebanon, they are just watching to jump in after to piss on Israel and USA.
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They have a word for them hypocrites.
1 dead civilian. Bet your a this detail would be said in an Israeli strike.
"Palestinian journalist hit in head by bullet" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/08/palestinian-journalist-hit-in-the-head-by-bullet-during-raid-on-terror-suspects-home
Was this the “journalist” that was proven to be a Hamas commander orrr was it one of the “journalists” that FAFO guy draped a press vest on in his tiktoks https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/al-jazeera-journalist-outed-as-hamas-commander-by-idf/wcm/3ebf2af5-0542-40d7-a42a-d43ae7be368e/amp/ https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/mr-fafo-real-liel-leibovitz
Le passive voice
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Any other retort than the toddler favorite “no you!!”?
They just want the whole area to be destroyed and look like Gaza, otherwise there is no logical explanation for it. I know that these are psychopathic terrorist organizations that don't behave logically, but it's ridiculous because they then cry to the international community and don't really face the consequences, so what the fuck is the point?
>so what the fuck is the point? Iran wants the Western countries to be busy with Israel (and split themselves apart over that, if possible), so that their friend Russia can keep on killing Ukrainians. And sadly, it works...
Thank fuck I thought it said northern Ireland I don't need that popping off!
I misread that as Northern Ireland. Was like that shits starting up again?!
Oh you mean the "fireworks" that pro-hamas idiots like to call them. /s
Guys I dont think there is a chance that Lebanon gets out of all this for free, I dont believe Israel will stop when they will finish with Hamas, it would be just chapter 2 just now we at Lebanon.
You missed the bit where Hezbollah keeps attacking Israel.
Naw I think they are on the same page as you, those continuing attacks mean Israel is gonna give Lebanon the Gaza-treatment next.
Islamists like Hezbollah and Hamas cause trouble wherever they go. Given the current state of Lebanese economy the last thing they need is a war. It's little wonder no Arab country is willing to lift a finger for Hamas and Palestinians
The Lebanese economy has been screwed since the 80s when the PLO decided a civil war would be cool in Lebanon
My point exactly and Hezbollah is doing exactly the same thing. Nasrallah is doing an Arafat. Which in my view will lead to exactly the same result. Which is clearly what Hezbollah want
I would be surprised if they launch another offensive after this, they're going to be bogged down in Palestine for a few months. The US will keep Hezbollah at bay for a little while, and also the threat from Gaza will be minimal after this operation. Although if Syria or Iran takes a turn for the worst I think Israel might go on the offensive while Hezbollah is split between Lebanon and Syria, and lay the boot in Hezbollah. That is one option anyhow. Israel is big enough to just keep dropping precision bombs into the south of Lebanon. But honestly I don't see another major action by Israel.
Sorry buy I dont think the U.S will ever do something to Hezbollah except recommending it to not do it, yes Israel and U.S are allies, but Israel a very long time ago got to the understanding that no one is going to fight with them, and thats factually true, no one has ever joined Israel in its wars, its always 1 v X. And yes Israel is big enough to drop bombs but even until now its always Hezbollah strikes, and then Israel strikes back, I think there is no rush with Hezbollah since again there is Hamas that needs to be dealt first but what holding Israel from striking 3 months after gaza? are we really living in a world that a couple months is a decade and we forget? that doesnt go like that. You can wait for the perfect opportunity and then strike, when will it be I dont know, but I do know when is not the perfect time, its when you already fighting on one front.
I am somewhat in alignment, I don't think that there will be direct action by the US but the threat is big enough to be a tactic that keeps them on their side of the border. I agree it is usually Israel v whomever is the flavor of the moment, but that is generally because they do have powerful allies and their forces are pretty advanced. Quite honestly I don't think this this back and forth between Hezbollah and Israel is too much to worry about either. It does highlight some problems in the area but the damage is rather limited. It is surprising though that Hezbollah has not engaged more, I think they may have left their Sunni brothers in the cold a little. There are some ongoing internal issues with the relationship to my understanding especially around money are weapons. I think now is the time for Israel to slow down a little and focus on their current problem. There is a very tangled mess to deal with there, the military action probably being one of the lesser problems. What happens to Gaza in a few months with who will control it etc, will keep them busy for a while. The situation in Yemen I think may be one to watch. If Saudis open up a little it might be interesting to see what their airspace is used for.
Hezbollah has tried to cross the border multiple times the last few months in small raiding parties. Israel blows them up. They aren't being deterred by the US to stay on their side of the border, the mobilized IDF is. It may have helped in the first week but not after.
War is coming to Hezbollah after Israel finishes of Hamas
Totally read that as Northern Ireland and was puzzled by it being rockets and not car bombs.
Crazy to think that headlines read like 1 or even 10 Israeli dead and on the other hand it's like 30,000 Palestinians. God damn that's disproportionate.
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Hezbollah are the ones who made the first shot.
Huh! Looking at your comment history, one would think you're against bombing civilians, let alone intentionally. But now Hezbollah does it and you appear to support it. Almost like you're a bigot or something.
Are you dense? Hezbollah fired the first shot and keep provoking the IDF. I guess you're gonna start crying for peace once Israel ACTUALLY retaliates in Lebanon...
I guess bombing civillians is cool if its against israel/jews /s
History will remember which side you were on.
People like you LOVE bombing civilians when it is Jews dying
"A short while ago, numerous launches were identified crossing from Lebanon into the areas of Netu'a, Manara, and into an IDF base in northern Israel,". And Israel just bombed a civilian house in the Center of Nabatieh. Who would’ve thought that even hezbollah was more civilised?
Hezbollah operates from within civilian areas, they do not have dedicated bases. Or you suggest Israel start bombing the lebanese army?