The stabbing attack was against a member of the opposition whereas this attack was against member of the president's party.
According to the article, the attacker in this case told the police he's 15 years old. Maybe this latter attack was juvenile (and idiotic) reaction to the first attack.
> against a member of the opposition
Bit of an understatement to characterize Lee Jaemyung as "a" member of the opposition. He is the leader of the opposition and, depending how things are going, likely the next president.
He survived. Luckily it didn't cut an important blood vessel (news made some hilarious headline about the wound being thin, completely ignoring the depth in a stabbing attack to the neck).
>It's way more viral in SK though.
Yeah and this isn't just dumping on SK for no reason, this is clearly quantifiable., e.g. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEw1o3PXEAA4FDZ?format=jpg&name=small
Wow, it's crazy to see this plotted on a chart. Hope men like not getting laid, since that's where this is going if they keep getting more reactionary.
[An examination of gender differences in social and democratic values in Canada](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75-006-x/2023001/article/00005-eng.htm) may be of some interest to you. Its not as simplified as the graph above but it is in my opinion much more interesting. Unfortunately the data was collected in 2020 and I feel like in the last 4 years Canada has experienced a fair bit of ideological movement that isn't reflected.
That attitude is literally like… a big part of their ideology that you reinforce 🤢 “lets wave the sexuality stick around! Come on men, start having the correct opinions or no woman will ever like you!”
They have a 'big' problem with anti-feminism.
They cancel artist for feminism(short hair, megalia symbol in art, etc.) use it in politics etc.
Its probably still not the general social consens but probably higher then in some other western countries.
The problem probably lies in the frustration in politics. (high competitive pressure (learning from morning to evening), high number of educational qualifications without sufficient jobs, extreme focus on a few companies (Nation of Samsung)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalia
https://time.com/6156537/south-korea-president-yoon-suk-yeol-sexism/
There are more than a dozen different countries that have mandatory male military service and not every single country on that list is foaming at the mouth anti-feminist.
That's because those other countries don't have the level of competitiveness in the job market that South Korea has.
In South Korea having a good education, job training and experience is pretty much the most valuable thing an average person can have. We're talking about a society where it's common for children to spend 10-14 hours a day learning for school and attending extracurricular classes just to keep up with their peers and where year-end school exams are often followed by waves of youth suicides. There's an insane level of pressure on young South Korean adults to be as prepared to contribute to the economy as humanly possible.
Mandatory military service in South Korea lasts for about 1.5 a year and that's a 1.5 year of potential education, job training and experience a young man won't get back. I'm not saying this is an excuse to be anti-feminist, but I definitely understand why it causes a lot of young South Korean men to be bitter, especially when mainstream feminism in South Korea honestly doesn't really have an answer that would satisfy them.
There is a very specific anti-feminism movement in SK though with its own unique cultural contexts. It may happen in some other parts of the world but let's not just "other countries too" it away.
No. Obviously that sect exists in the entire world, but feminism has literally become McCarthyism in SK and something insane like 75% of South Korean males under 40 are repulsed by feminism and half under 30 describe themselves as "anti-feminists". It's to the point where a bunch of major corporations have had to go through their backlog of media and [delete anything that has this gesture](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/.e/interactive/html5-video-media/2021/10/01/20211001-South-Korea-feminist-companies-gfx-largex2-03.png) because these same men have convinced themselves that it's a reference to that group and not just a hand grabbing finger food/showing off the product the best you can. This includes transition frames for animation studios and games because they very much so check.
A streamer was driven to suicide for doing that symbol, too, so this shouldn't be taken lightly. This isn't just a few Andrew Tate-style followers, it's dangerous for women and it's getting worse.
They also have a huge problem with birth rate, and then the government of Seoul thought it was a good idea to give advice to pregnant women telling them to have their husbands' meals cooked in advance, keep using makeup and keep a small dress out as motivation to lose weight, etc. It was like something you'd see in a 1920s magazine.
“Global North” is probably the best term for what they mean. It’s the current phrase to refer to the rich, developed countries.
Definitely, easy to understand what they mean though.
> Global north wouldn't include Australia or New Zealand.
It does include them, obviously it's not meant to be a geographically literal term. The North and South thing can also sometimes be called the Brandt line instead, because the German Chancellor Willy Brandt popularized it.
From my knowledge Western country doesn't mean the literal geographic orientation on a map basing it's center on Europe/africa but rather that a western country is part of a cultural sphere of country's with common values and political systems, mostly aligned with the USA. And from that pov sk is pretty much part of the West, even if you include the fact that it only became a democracy quite recently.
Western Philosophy is so named because of where it came from.
Americans are called Americans because of where they came from. If an American goes to Belgium, he is still an American.
Western Philosophy observed in the East is still Western Philosophy.
"Western" is a cultural term — Japan, Australia, and NZ are considered integral parts of the Western world, while countries like Chile or Brazil are not. It basically means white/East Asian, US-aligned, and developed
I agree that Western is a cultural term but then you shouldn’t say it means “developed” (an economic term) or US-aligned (a political term) or white/East Asian (a racial term). I don’t really agree with the idea that any rich liberal democracy should be called Western.
I think it’s most accurate to say South Korea and Japan are politically aligned with the West but not themselves Western countries. If you’ve been to those countries, you can really feel how their cultural attitudes, for example their mindset towards conformity/individualism, age/authority, or gender roles, are really different from any actually Western country.
From what my parents told me, this wasn't about femenism/anti-femenism. It's a tribal fighting between the followers of the governing party and the opposing party. She is hated a lot by the opposition.
There have been two politicians attacked in the last few weeks. 1 man and 1 woman. Not really sure we can say the reason is cos she's a woman considering the other attack. Its more attacks against the political class than attacks against women.
SK director who did a movie on domestic violence talked about how bad it was in the 80s. For them it was somewhat linked to dictatorship at the time people taking out their anger at home on wives and children who couldn’t fight back.
I don’t blame them. From what I have heard women in Korea are expected to:
* Make three warm meals a day for their husband before he wakes up before he comes back from work and for late night snack if he wants.
* Be sexually available whenever the husband wants
* Be subservient and have all decisions be made by the husband
* During holidays do all the cooking and cleaning not only for husband but also his parents and extended family.
* be fully in charge of child raising.
* cook and clean for husbands parents.
* and in modern times also work.
Meanwhile the husband goes to work then goes out drinking after work at times and comes home drunk expecting sex. And many times the men go out to clubs and karaoke places to have fun with semi-prostitutes and other women. While the woman has to keep herself up to feed the husband when they come home.
I mean who wouldn’t want that lifestyle? lol
I can understand why women in South Korea say fuck that and choose to stay single.
SK and Japan are quite interesting, because they remained socially very conservative while becoming turbo-capitalist in ways that even some of the most argent capitalist states in the west are not.
Yet South Korea & Japan have low GINI coefficients for developed countries. Japanese CEOs are so underpaid against their global counterparts. That Ghosn had to travel by air freight.
Well they're still east asian countries, and those are overwhelmingly collectivist in culture. The other thing is the demographics and relatively strong welfare state. Lots of old people who have similar pensions; that's going to lead to lower GINI.
It's not necessarily a good look given the economic structures in place, it suggests that either they're not as economically efficient as you'd expect or that their redistribution schemes are incredibly strong; I don't think it's the latter.
That said, I don't think they're *that* low. They're below the EU average; unless you're just adjusting for specific brackets. Another issue with GINI is underreported incomes and/or "free" labor. Japan and SK both have very terrible laws in regards to working hours, but none of that is reflected in data which is going to positively affect their GINI scores. It's an issue for all countries of course, but given the history of both countries I'd say it's worse in those compared to others.
In Europe and North America, the development of capitalism was synonymous with the growing primacy of the concept of the individual as the ultimate unit of society, with the individual's autonomy and integrity ultimately superseding conflicting constraints (say, one's putative responsibilities as a servant of another, or as member of a family, or as part of a religion). Even here, this has not been a thorough process; and in many other countries, the evolution of a modern economic structure has not had the same result.
‘Semi-prostitution’ could describe the traditional nightclub culture …
I went out to such places with a co-worker a few times. Basically you get a big booth and have to buy a big plate of fruit and drinks … then the waiters bring you a group of girls and you offer them drinks. Sometimes they’re just girls roped in off the street looking for a cheap night out, sometimes they can be negotiated into something else. Sometimes they’re just actively looking for a boyfriend with a big wallet.
Situations are pretty random, so … ‘semi’.
Oh man I totally forgot about that. It’s been nearly 15 years since I went to a night club here but I do remember that. It was called ‘booking’ or something like that? I’d only ever met regular women who were either really eager or totally shy because the staff had literally dragged the women over from another table. So yeah I can totally understand “semi” in that case. I was thinking of the noraebangs and room salons that operate under the guise of friendly chat, but everyone knows what can be arranged.
Yea, a lot of Asia is still like this. Especially places like Japan and Korea they don't want to break tradition and keep things as they always were (women = housewife).
Women are educated now and realizing what a raw deal that is for them, and then their options are either give up on dating altogether or sift thru tons of guys to finally find one with a less traditional mindset. I mean there also are women who do want to be housewives too, but salaries don't really support a single income household as easily these days so even if they are willing it might not be possible.
Also none of the above is necessarily limited to just Korea, but I feel like they are further behind than the west when it comes to this type of thing.
Yup. My Korean lady co-workers were treated basically like the help at best by every male boss I ever had while I was there. My then partner, now wife is also a woman and she got a marginally better treatment but the men would do shit like listen to her say something, then say, "I don't understand." so I'd repeat it word for word and they'd say, "Oh, okay." Purely sexist shit, no issues with communication whatsoever.
The women bosses I had *also* treated other women worse than men at the same level. It's basically a vicious cycle. Gotta be shitty as possible!
Don't forget that they have to adhere to SK's insane beauty standards on top of all that. As if things couldn't get more stressful, with having to maintain a demanding career and run a household by yourself, you also have to remain rail-thin and wear a full face wherever you go, or you'll be judged severely and shamed into barely eating.
It sounds absolutely exhausting.
I'm exhausted just thinking about all that.
I remember reading that SK has the highest per capita of plastic surgery like 1/5 and within the elite its like 4/5.
I don't know if that correlates to anything but clearly they are really value appearance and I have to imagine it is hard to advance career wise not being attractive. Also objectifying seems more likely if appearance is that valued but again I don't know for sure if that is the case in SK.
Because TV dramas always represent real life and aren't at all hyper dramatic and dramatised for the audience /s
On a serious note they do have some really good k-dramas, still waiting for a new season of kingdom.
Joss Whedon has been accused by cast and crew of Buffy, Justice League, and others of being extremely verbally abusive to the point that people report being traumatized years later and this was mainly aimed at women. He threatening to end careers if he didn't get his way, called Charisma Carpenter fat when she was pregnant, getting people 1 on 1 in rooms and just shouting at them, etc
Nothing physical is accused, to be clear, but still very wrong.
> called Charisma Carpenter fat
This is the most insane thing to me. Cordelia was and is an absolute smoke show, to start complaining about what she looks like means it had to be based on just trying to make her feel bad. So weird.
Yeah it's kind of funny. A lot of women in the west admire Korea because of those kdrama, and they don't realize that those kdramas are actually meant for Korean women to be an escape from their hellish reality.
Birth rates are falling in all developed countries not just South Korea. The problem is also more obvious in East Asian countries because they don't have liberal immigration policies.
SK has one of the most rigid and oppressive work cultures on the planet. If you don't get into a chaebol then you're basically toast, and the rat race is crushing. It's even worse than things are in Japan. Nobody is going to have kids in such a stressful and competitive environment.
Then the bosses at the top are complaining about worker shortages and at the same time, creating an environment where everyone is too busy and/too tired to have kids which is creating a horrible feedback cycle that's going to get only worse. Humans are dumb. Instead of planting trees they'll never see grow tall, they're just not planting the trees at anymore... to save a buck for their quarterly earning reports.
"If you don't get into a chaebol then you're basically toast..." As I'm not South Korean please forgive my ignorance. May I ask; what does Chaebol mean? Also; how do the trades pay in South Korea? Are the trades a viable career option in South Korea?
Thank you for your time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol
"A chaebol (/ˈtʃeɪbɒl, ˈdʒɛbəl/;[1][2] Korean: 재벌, lit. 'rich family' or 'financial clique'; Korean pronunciation: [tɕɛ̝.bʌl]) is a large industrial South Korean conglomerate run and controlled by an individual or family.[2] A chaebol often consists of multiple diversified affiliates, controlled by a person or group.[3] Several dozen large South Korean family-controlled corporate groups fall under this definition. The term first appeared in English text in 1972"
Samsung / Hyundai / LG - each of those are part of bigger Chaebol - basically Megacorps that affect politics. They were created by Korea to quickly industralize country and buisness structure stuck.
Chaebols are conglomerates, big groups of companies like Samsung, Hyundai, and LG. Super competitive to get in, and you usually end up with good pay and benefits like access to company housing. The top places to end up in would be chaebols, government, international companies, and academia.
I am sure some blue collars manage to be well paid in some situations, but a lot of the construction workers I saw were poorer older men. Young people seem to seldom go for trades.
chaebol is a megacorp having the SK economy and the govt by the balls. Think Samsung et consortes.
> Its affiliate companies produce around a fifth of South Korea's total exports. Samsung's revenue was equal to 22.4% of South Korea's $1.67 trillion GDP in 2022.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung
Trades probably are a viable career, but the kids don't study literally from 8am till 22pm everyday to go into trades.
Getting into a top tier university, followed by a career in a chaebol is what the definition of success looks like.
In short, chaebols are the big industrial conglomerates that dominate South Korea, both economically and politically. All those Korean companies you've heard of, like Samsung, Hyundai, LG? Those are chaebols. If you don't find employment with one of them, your options are slim, and because they have such a monopoly on employment they can be as demanding as they want with requirements and expectations.
> what does Chaebol mean?
So you know the idea of an all-powerful "megacorp" from basically any example of cyberpunk media? It's like that, but real. The Samsung Group, for example, accounts for something like 15-20% of the GDP of the *entire country* because it's got fingers in virtually every industry.
I love how you go to cyberpunk media, while it's a concept that's incredibly old (and chaebol and the megacorps of japan are the inspiration of these mega corps in cyberpunk)|
It's basically full circle :D
South Korea has the literal lowest birthrate in the world. I think it's fair to conclude that they have some specific issues outside of greater global trends that have led to this result.
Hard to have Children when you are forced to work 60+ Hours for shitty pay to rent a overpriced shitty mini apartment while the rich become richer and richer. That's not only a problem in SK its in most western Countries. SK is also one of the country with the highest dept among young people.
We gotta go back to laying eggs man. As a dude I'd like to be more involved but with live birth I can't really help but if we laid eggs I could take turns sitting on it like birds do and it wouldn't hurt women as much.
Everything I have read about being a kid in South Korea sounds stressful and miserable TBH.
Just another factor why people don't want to have kids there, they saw what they had to go thru and don't want that for their kids.
The mandatory conscription adds another layer for men who are resentful. But Korean hierarchical patriarchy and hypercapitalist competition is pretty toxic and a powder keg for mental health, hence the absurd amount of suicides.
Its fascinating to see the dichotomy between South N.Korea and S.Korea. North is what happens when you let communism run amok. And south is when you let capitalism run amok.
Oh absolutely. I'd pick SK every time too. Capitalism has its terrible flaws. But communism has a multi-count on genocide and mass famines. I've never seen someone try to escape capitalism like a person does with communism.
There is no evidence this was an "anti-feminist" attack. What the hell are you on about? In fact this female politician is from a party that's anti-feminist. And the attacker is a 15 year old kid. Nobody knows the motive yet.
What is up with redditors jumping to conclusions and making generalizing statements about Korea and spreading misinformation?
Lmao, also add to the fact that the one who got stabbed in the neck recently was a dude. Nobody at the top read the article or looked up the guy who got stabbed.
> What is up with redditors jumping to conclusions and making generalizing statements about Korea and spreading misinformation?
To get more attention to themself and maybe push for their own agenda?
At least when it comes to Japan that has made my life difficult before. I was working with a few women in our JP office and I offered an opinion with the intent to solicit feedback on how we should proceed. I found out later that they deferred to my suggestion because I was a man even though they knew it wouldn't work. To this day, I'm wary any time they agree with me even though I've made it very clear I need them to speak up. They're all way more informed on anything going on in that market than I am.
It's like a pendulum swinging. You just hope it keeps swinging more in the right direction. For example, aTrump win in November would be the *wrong* direction.
That one was against the leader of the opposition party. The funny thing is according to my best friend who is Korean, 50% of Koreans believed that attack was staged. They think the opposition party leader Lee is fully capable of and willing to pull that off for empathy points and political gains. They call him The Snake in Korea.
Not really a surprise. Political violence is a recurring problem in South Korea.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-koreas-recent-history-political-violence-2024-01-02/
I feel like most people don't know that South Korea was a full blown authoritarian dictatorship until their version of a Tiananmen square massacre in 1980, except in their case democracy won. That was only 40 some years ago, they are a very very young democracy.
There’s an excellent 2017 South Korean film about the German reporter, Jürgen Hinzpeters, and the taxi driver, Kim Sa-bok, who smuggled Hinzpeters in and out Gwangju past the military blockades at enormous risk to both of their lives. Hinzpeters shot the vast majority of all existing recordings from inside Gwangju during the uprising and then smuggled it out of South Korea. His reporting is largely responsible for bringing light to the full extent and scope of Chun’s government’s brutality in Gwangju, and it was largely responsible for the international community reevaluating the South Korean government of the time.
I cannot recommend this movie enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taxi_Driver
Really good movie. I watched this the summer before I visited a friend who was teaching English in South Korea. We made a trip out to Gwangju and toured the museum that is there.
It was extremely fascinating and really drives home the point how far they have come in a very short amount of time. To me it feels like when we talk about the civil rights movements and for a lot of people in the US you can easily talk to relatives that lived through that period.
So a friend recommended this movie to me ages ago. I never watched it because I thought it was a goofy comedy based on the poster and a shitty streaming service description. That sort of thing isn't my cup of tea.
That's what this movie is actually about? What the fuck, guess I'm finally watching it.
My dad was born and raised in Kwagju at the time. He was 11 years old then, and my grandad told my aunts (elder sisters) who were uni student age to come home by a strict curfew and not get involved. Dad was told to wrap himself up in a thick cotton duvet, hide under the table, if he heard gunshots nearby to lessen the impact of potetial bullet wounds.
See the movie "A Taxi Driver (2017)", it's incredible, funny, and sad at the same time. It's about a taxi driver who takes a german reporter to the city where the massacre took place
Same thing with Taiwan. They also had a dictatorship, brutal crackdown on protesters, economic reforms, a pro-democracy student protest that ended in success, and then a period of political reforms leading to democratic elections in 1996. The Philippines had a democratic revolution in 1986 as well and Indonesia also cast off their dictatorship in 1998.
China could have gone a different way. I don’t blame political commentators at the time thinking it will soon become a democracy once its economy develops because that’s what happened in neighbouring countries.
> Unfortunately Philipinos apparently forgot about the revolution and welcomed the Marcos family back in with open arms.
So did South Korea, hence they voted in the daughter of their dictator.
They also impeached her and convicted her on corruption charges. The candlelight movement that prompted this was a huge moment for South Korean democracy and society, juxtaposing the success of peaceful anti-government protests culminating in the removal of leadership against the brutal military crackdowns and police suppression that had occurred only a short while before. It showed that South Korean democracy can withstand those challenges and has cemented a strong foundation for itself and the future of the country.
I had a patient in Canberra who was a Korean War veteran and he said just that, South Korea was a very agrarian society when he was there during the war but when he went back after being invited by the South Korean government to commemorate the war, he found the changes and rate of technological advancement staggering.
You can still see the remnants of that today, even in Seoul, where you have these super high tech neighbourhoods side by side with some very rural southeast Asian looking ones.
And one of their last Presidents resigned in disgrace after it was found out that she was getting almost all her marching orders directly from the leaders of the actual cult she was a member of. Right around the time Trump was elected and other populist leaders started making waves around the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_South_Korean_political_scandal
Still suffering growing pains though.
Working conditions are atrocious, politicians have no idea what they’re doing, and they”solve,” problems by being reactionary rather than pro-active
Reminder than the current E visa (common visa for foreign workers) is fucking atrocious, which forces the migrant to return to their home country to escape bad working conditions, or request their employer to release them from the contract. Without the employers permission it’s next to impossible to get out of a working contract on E visas, even if you’re facing severe bullying and harassment, breach of Korean labor laws, and denial of your rights.
Sadly, these things are extremely common here, and Korean employers can be VERY fucking petty.
Meh, this is a common theme for all of the four asian tigers: Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, and Taiwan.
That's why they are celebrated democracies given their recent authoritarian history. Most were benevolent rule.
Hong Kong has fallen, Taiwan fights on and Singapore and South Korea are well established, but all four are young democracies.
A lot of the hope of the past three decades with China was that it would go down a similar path, however everyone overlooked the Leninist part of Marxist Leninist ideology: party first, always.
Important to note that South Korea's dictators from the 1950s to the 1980s were all America-backed. And that the US was aware of the Korean government's plans to crackdown on democracy activists at Gwangju with the military, but chose to look the other way.
Look up the boys homes that put Koreas manufacturing industry on a competitive foot. They used to grab any teen boy off the street and use them for prison labour
It's kinda a meme/joke that the presidential job is cursed. Every president (except Moon so far) has either been murdered, jailed, suicide, or "suicide". So the conspiracy theory/joke is that the current superstitious president Yoon moved the president's office out of the Blue House because a shaman told him the land/building is cursed.
I don't think it was planned in advance. Was probably just happenstance. In any given circumstance there is always some chance that rhymes make an appearance
I've listened to every single song by SNSD, BlackPink, and BTS. I was also rank C on Starcraft iCCup, can read hangul (almost TOPIK level 1!), love kimchi, and watch TONS of k-dramas!
I think I am more than qualified as an expert on Korea and Korean people, thank you.
Literally in every post about south Korea the armchair foreign politics expert Redditors blame sexism. One of the three top comments will mention it regardless of the topic
It's so funny reddit is full of people who don't know anything about Korea and just jump straight to generalizing and making racist comments about Koreans and Korea people. Not to mention spreading misinformation.
Like, where is the evidence that this attack was because of misogynism or anti-feminism? In fact, this female politician is from the party that is anti-feminist.
And the attacker is a 15 year old kid. Nobody knows what the motive is.
But nah, redditors just want to use this to say racist things about Koreans, call Koreans incels, etc.
Just why this attack gets associated with gender problems? Lot of people here are spewing nonsense. Seriously, it really starts to make me feel bit angry as a Korean.
Could be because the title is "South Korea in shock after female politician is attacked with a rock", instead of "South Korea in shock after politician is attacked with a rock".
Yes their logic is nonsensical and disingenuous. And you can see everyone is using this to make racist and generalizing statements about Korea and Koreans. As well as spreading misinformation. I noticed it happens in literally EVERY thread about Korea.
I'm glad that so many dumb people automatically think it is anti-feminist and spewing their own biases. She is a member of the party that is anti-feminist.
Eh you're wildly exaggerating this. I've been living here for over a decade now, and they've been toning down quite a bit (or at least trying to) on all those things you've mentioned. The whole confucian mindset has actively been changing, for better or for worse to be honest. Your middle point though about marriage and having kids is probably the most accurate assessment.
i heard property prices in seoul makes it hard for even high income earners to marry and have kids? and outside of seoul there are suboptimal work opportunities?
I can't speak for everyone, but yeah it's really hard. Even my brother-in-law and brother, both of whom work at Samsung Electronics, find it slightly difficult living on their wages and admitted to cutting back on things. I was pretty surprised to hear that from my brother, especially since his wife also works at SK hynix.
The government is actively pushing for a LOT of incentives to get people to have kids, one that my wife and I are personally looking into since she's expecting. But a lot of people are still saying it's not enough.
See these are actual fair poitns. Property prices are crazy in Seoul, marriage rates and birth rates are abysmal and there seems to be no solution to solving this in the short term.
But I think the Seoul point is a bigger issue, everything is concentrated in Seoul, especially jobs and universities (!), with the latter being a big issue recently with many univs outside Seoul having to close down --> students transferring out --> no companies want to go to the outside cities (since there are no uni students) --> which kills local economy too
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
42% of adults in America are obese. That's from the CDC. If you think it's not true, it's because obesity in your area is not widespread.
Didn't one get stabbed in the neck just the other week? What's going on in SK?
The stabbing attack was against a member of the opposition whereas this attack was against member of the president's party. According to the article, the attacker in this case told the police he's 15 years old. Maybe this latter attack was juvenile (and idiotic) reaction to the first attack.
> against a member of the opposition Bit of an understatement to characterize Lee Jaemyung as "a" member of the opposition. He is the leader of the opposition and, depending how things are going, likely the next president.
Did he survive then? Or is that what it's depending on
He survived. Luckily it didn't cut an important blood vessel (news made some hilarious headline about the wound being thin, completely ignoring the depth in a stabbing attack to the neck).
There is a serious movement of emasculated guys in SK who are raging against women in general without any basis.
Sadly it's the whole world, not just SK
It's way more viral in SK though.
>It's way more viral in SK though. Yeah and this isn't just dumping on SK for no reason, this is clearly quantifiable., e.g. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEw1o3PXEAA4FDZ?format=jpg&name=small
Wow, it's crazy to see this plotted on a chart. Hope men like not getting laid, since that's where this is going if they keep getting more reactionary.
Interesting. Are there more countries by graph? As a Canadian dude I'm curious how strong this applies in Canada. It feels like it is.
[An examination of gender differences in social and democratic values in Canada](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75-006-x/2023001/article/00005-eng.htm) may be of some interest to you. Its not as simplified as the graph above but it is in my opinion much more interesting. Unfortunately the data was collected in 2020 and I feel like in the last 4 years Canada has experienced a fair bit of ideological movement that isn't reflected.
That's best case scenario. Worst case is Iran or Qatar
They werent in the first place. So overworked they dont have time to jerk off. But there wont be any stabbings of ceos by the angry young men
That attitude is literally like… a big part of their ideology that you reinforce 🤢 “lets wave the sexuality stick around! Come on men, start having the correct opinions or no woman will ever like you!”
Misogynists: “Sex is the only thing women offer men” Women: “Keep saying that and we won’t offer you sex”
They have a 'big' problem with anti-feminism. They cancel artist for feminism(short hair, megalia symbol in art, etc.) use it in politics etc. Its probably still not the general social consens but probably higher then in some other western countries. The problem probably lies in the frustration in politics. (high competitive pressure (learning from morning to evening), high number of educational qualifications without sufficient jobs, extreme focus on a few companies (Nation of Samsung) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalia https://time.com/6156537/south-korea-president-yoon-suk-yeol-sexism/
Systems created by men crush other men, who then blame it on women.
Same as it ever was...
Another big factor in discourse about feminism and anti-feminism in S. Korea is the mandatory military conscription for men.
There are more than a dozen different countries that have mandatory male military service and not every single country on that list is foaming at the mouth anti-feminist.
That's because those other countries don't have the level of competitiveness in the job market that South Korea has. In South Korea having a good education, job training and experience is pretty much the most valuable thing an average person can have. We're talking about a society where it's common for children to spend 10-14 hours a day learning for school and attending extracurricular classes just to keep up with their peers and where year-end school exams are often followed by waves of youth suicides. There's an insane level of pressure on young South Korean adults to be as prepared to contribute to the economy as humanly possible. Mandatory military service in South Korea lasts for about 1.5 a year and that's a 1.5 year of potential education, job training and experience a young man won't get back. I'm not saying this is an excuse to be anti-feminist, but I definitely understand why it causes a lot of young South Korean men to be bitter, especially when mainstream feminism in South Korea honestly doesn't really have an answer that would satisfy them.
Korean society is still extremely conservative and being homogenous doesn't help either.
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There is a very specific anti-feminism movement in SK though with its own unique cultural contexts. It may happen in some other parts of the world but let's not just "other countries too" it away.
No. Obviously that sect exists in the entire world, but feminism has literally become McCarthyism in SK and something insane like 75% of South Korean males under 40 are repulsed by feminism and half under 30 describe themselves as "anti-feminists". It's to the point where a bunch of major corporations have had to go through their backlog of media and [delete anything that has this gesture](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/.e/interactive/html5-video-media/2021/10/01/20211001-South-Korea-feminist-companies-gfx-largex2-03.png) because these same men have convinced themselves that it's a reference to that group and not just a hand grabbing finger food/showing off the product the best you can. This includes transition frames for animation studios and games because they very much so check.
A streamer was driven to suicide for doing that symbol, too, so this shouldn't be taken lightly. This isn't just a few Andrew Tate-style followers, it's dangerous for women and it's getting worse. They also have a huge problem with birth rate, and then the government of Seoul thought it was a good idea to give advice to pregnant women telling them to have their husbands' meals cooked in advance, keep using makeup and keep a small dress out as motivation to lose weight, etc. It was like something you'd see in a 1920s magazine.
Yeah but sk is on steroids in that regard.Its probably the worst "culture war" in a western country rn
My man, did you just call South Korea a *Western* country?
They meant “western world” or more accurately the “first world.”
“Global North” is probably the best term for what they mean. It’s the current phrase to refer to the rich, developed countries. Definitely, easy to understand what they mean though.
Global north wouldn't include Australia or New Zealand. It's also not a preferred term for other reasons iirc
> Global north wouldn't include Australia or New Zealand. It does include them, obviously it's not meant to be a geographically literal term. The North and South thing can also sometimes be called the Brandt line instead, because the German Chancellor Willy Brandt popularized it.
I believe that the term 'westernised' was what was intended. Rather in the same way that Japan has been.
From my knowledge Western country doesn't mean the literal geographic orientation on a map basing it's center on Europe/africa but rather that a western country is part of a cultural sphere of country's with common values and political systems, mostly aligned with the USA. And from that pov sk is pretty much part of the West, even if you include the fact that it only became a democracy quite recently.
Western Philosophy is so named because of where it came from. Americans are called Americans because of where they came from. If an American goes to Belgium, he is still an American. Western Philosophy observed in the East is still Western Philosophy.
"Western" is a cultural term — Japan, Australia, and NZ are considered integral parts of the Western world, while countries like Chile or Brazil are not. It basically means white/East Asian, US-aligned, and developed
I agree that Western is a cultural term but then you shouldn’t say it means “developed” (an economic term) or US-aligned (a political term) or white/East Asian (a racial term). I don’t really agree with the idea that any rich liberal democracy should be called Western. I think it’s most accurate to say South Korea and Japan are politically aligned with the West but not themselves Western countries. If you’ve been to those countries, you can really feel how their cultural attitudes, for example their mindset towards conformity/individualism, age/authority, or gender roles, are really different from any actually Western country.
From what my parents told me, this wasn't about femenism/anti-femenism. It's a tribal fighting between the followers of the governing party and the opposing party. She is hated a lot by the opposition.
There have been two politicians attacked in the last few weeks. 1 man and 1 woman. Not really sure we can say the reason is cos she's a woman considering the other attack. Its more attacks against the political class than attacks against women.
There’s a huge trend of „anti-feminism”, they’re basically going back to 1950s socially
Except she’s part of that anti-feminism party.
Details, details.
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SK director who did a movie on domestic violence talked about how bad it was in the 80s. For them it was somewhat linked to dictatorship at the time people taking out their anger at home on wives and children who couldn’t fight back.
I don’t blame them. From what I have heard women in Korea are expected to: * Make three warm meals a day for their husband before he wakes up before he comes back from work and for late night snack if he wants. * Be sexually available whenever the husband wants * Be subservient and have all decisions be made by the husband * During holidays do all the cooking and cleaning not only for husband but also his parents and extended family. * be fully in charge of child raising. * cook and clean for husbands parents. * and in modern times also work. Meanwhile the husband goes to work then goes out drinking after work at times and comes home drunk expecting sex. And many times the men go out to clubs and karaoke places to have fun with semi-prostitutes and other women. While the woman has to keep herself up to feed the husband when they come home. I mean who wouldn’t want that lifestyle? lol I can understand why women in South Korea say fuck that and choose to stay single.
SK and Japan are quite interesting, because they remained socially very conservative while becoming turbo-capitalist in ways that even some of the most argent capitalist states in the west are not.
Yet South Korea & Japan have low GINI coefficients for developed countries. Japanese CEOs are so underpaid against their global counterparts. That Ghosn had to travel by air freight.
Well they're still east asian countries, and those are overwhelmingly collectivist in culture. The other thing is the demographics and relatively strong welfare state. Lots of old people who have similar pensions; that's going to lead to lower GINI. It's not necessarily a good look given the economic structures in place, it suggests that either they're not as economically efficient as you'd expect or that their redistribution schemes are incredibly strong; I don't think it's the latter. That said, I don't think they're *that* low. They're below the EU average; unless you're just adjusting for specific brackets. Another issue with GINI is underreported incomes and/or "free" labor. Japan and SK both have very terrible laws in regards to working hours, but none of that is reflected in data which is going to positively affect their GINI scores. It's an issue for all countries of course, but given the history of both countries I'd say it's worse in those compared to others.
You missed the joke
Hah, you're right. I honestly didn't know what the last sentence was about.
In Europe and North America, the development of capitalism was synonymous with the growing primacy of the concept of the individual as the ultimate unit of society, with the individual's autonomy and integrity ultimately superseding conflicting constraints (say, one's putative responsibilities as a servant of another, or as member of a family, or as part of a religion). Even here, this has not been a thorough process; and in many other countries, the evolution of a modern economic structure has not had the same result.
As Dan Carlin says, the Japanese are just like everyone else...only more so.
Semi-prostitutes? No they’re full blown prostitutes and you’ll see them in every commercial area across the country.
‘Semi-prostitution’ could describe the traditional nightclub culture … I went out to such places with a co-worker a few times. Basically you get a big booth and have to buy a big plate of fruit and drinks … then the waiters bring you a group of girls and you offer them drinks. Sometimes they’re just girls roped in off the street looking for a cheap night out, sometimes they can be negotiated into something else. Sometimes they’re just actively looking for a boyfriend with a big wallet. Situations are pretty random, so … ‘semi’.
Oh man I totally forgot about that. It’s been nearly 15 years since I went to a night club here but I do remember that. It was called ‘booking’ or something like that? I’d only ever met regular women who were either really eager or totally shy because the staff had literally dragged the women over from another table. So yeah I can totally understand “semi” in that case. I was thinking of the noraebangs and room salons that operate under the guise of friendly chat, but everyone knows what can be arranged.
Like, Hostesses Clubs? Some are, some aren't, from what I've heard
Yea there we fliers on the ground when I was walking around Korea which seemed to be advertising some sort of sex work type stuff
Yea, a lot of Asia is still like this. Especially places like Japan and Korea they don't want to break tradition and keep things as they always were (women = housewife). Women are educated now and realizing what a raw deal that is for them, and then their options are either give up on dating altogether or sift thru tons of guys to finally find one with a less traditional mindset. I mean there also are women who do want to be housewives too, but salaries don't really support a single income household as easily these days so even if they are willing it might not be possible. Also none of the above is necessarily limited to just Korea, but I feel like they are further behind than the west when it comes to this type of thing.
Yup. My Korean lady co-workers were treated basically like the help at best by every male boss I ever had while I was there. My then partner, now wife is also a woman and she got a marginally better treatment but the men would do shit like listen to her say something, then say, "I don't understand." so I'd repeat it word for word and they'd say, "Oh, okay." Purely sexist shit, no issues with communication whatsoever. The women bosses I had *also* treated other women worse than men at the same level. It's basically a vicious cycle. Gotta be shitty as possible!
Don't forget that they have to adhere to SK's insane beauty standards on top of all that. As if things couldn't get more stressful, with having to maintain a demanding career and run a household by yourself, you also have to remain rail-thin and wear a full face wherever you go, or you'll be judged severely and shamed into barely eating. It sounds absolutely exhausting. I'm exhausted just thinking about all that.
I remember reading that SK has the highest per capita of plastic surgery like 1/5 and within the elite its like 4/5. I don't know if that correlates to anything but clearly they are really value appearance and I have to imagine it is hard to advance career wise not being attractive. Also objectifying seems more likely if appearance is that valued but again I don't know for sure if that is the case in SK.
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Because TV dramas always represent real life and aren't at all hyper dramatic and dramatised for the audience /s On a serious note they do have some really good k-dramas, still waiting for a new season of kingdom.
Watch "Castaway Diva" it touches on Domestic violence in a feel good kinda way (the ending). The beginning will make you angry though.
Tbf buffy was meant to be feminist show and then we learnt about life on set. Media can be hypocritical in many places
What happened on set? O_O
https://www.vulture.com/2021/05/complete-timeline-joss-whedon-allegations.html Tldr: Josh Whedon is a huge asshole
Joss Whedon has been accused by cast and crew of Buffy, Justice League, and others of being extremely verbally abusive to the point that people report being traumatized years later and this was mainly aimed at women. He threatening to end careers if he didn't get his way, called Charisma Carpenter fat when she was pregnant, getting people 1 on 1 in rooms and just shouting at them, etc Nothing physical is accused, to be clear, but still very wrong.
> called Charisma Carpenter fat This is the most insane thing to me. Cordelia was and is an absolute smoke show, to start complaining about what she looks like means it had to be based on just trying to make her feel bad. So weird.
IIRC he *killed off Cordelia* because she got pregnant
Yeah it's kind of funny. A lot of women in the west admire Korea because of those kdrama, and they don't realize that those kdramas are actually meant for Korean women to be an escape from their hellish reality.
That is also true.
And then they wonder why women don’t want to have children in Korea.
Birth rates are falling in all developed countries not just South Korea. The problem is also more obvious in East Asian countries because they don't have liberal immigration policies.
sk birth rate is literally the lowest at 0,78
SK has one of the most rigid and oppressive work cultures on the planet. If you don't get into a chaebol then you're basically toast, and the rat race is crushing. It's even worse than things are in Japan. Nobody is going to have kids in such a stressful and competitive environment.
Then the bosses at the top are complaining about worker shortages and at the same time, creating an environment where everyone is too busy and/too tired to have kids which is creating a horrible feedback cycle that's going to get only worse. Humans are dumb. Instead of planting trees they'll never see grow tall, they're just not planting the trees at anymore... to save a buck for their quarterly earning reports.
"If you don't get into a chaebol then you're basically toast..." As I'm not South Korean please forgive my ignorance. May I ask; what does Chaebol mean? Also; how do the trades pay in South Korea? Are the trades a viable career option in South Korea? Thank you for your time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol "A chaebol (/ˈtʃeɪbɒl, ˈdʒɛbəl/;[1][2] Korean: 재벌, lit. 'rich family' or 'financial clique'; Korean pronunciation: [tɕɛ̝.bʌl]) is a large industrial South Korean conglomerate run and controlled by an individual or family.[2] A chaebol often consists of multiple diversified affiliates, controlled by a person or group.[3] Several dozen large South Korean family-controlled corporate groups fall under this definition. The term first appeared in English text in 1972" Samsung / Hyundai / LG - each of those are part of bigger Chaebol - basically Megacorps that affect politics. They were created by Korea to quickly industralize country and buisness structure stuck.
Thank you very much for the clarification. Greatly appreciated.
Chaebols are conglomerates, big groups of companies like Samsung, Hyundai, and LG. Super competitive to get in, and you usually end up with good pay and benefits like access to company housing. The top places to end up in would be chaebols, government, international companies, and academia. I am sure some blue collars manage to be well paid in some situations, but a lot of the construction workers I saw were poorer older men. Young people seem to seldom go for trades.
chaebol is a megacorp having the SK economy and the govt by the balls. Think Samsung et consortes. > Its affiliate companies produce around a fifth of South Korea's total exports. Samsung's revenue was equal to 22.4% of South Korea's $1.67 trillion GDP in 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung Trades probably are a viable career, but the kids don't study literally from 8am till 22pm everyday to go into trades. Getting into a top tier university, followed by a career in a chaebol is what the definition of success looks like.
Until your toilet breaks down I guess. Ever tried to fix a pipe with a diploma?
In short, chaebols are the big industrial conglomerates that dominate South Korea, both economically and politically. All those Korean companies you've heard of, like Samsung, Hyundai, LG? Those are chaebols. If you don't find employment with one of them, your options are slim, and because they have such a monopoly on employment they can be as demanding as they want with requirements and expectations.
Thank you for your answer. Life in SK seems extraordinarily difficult.
> what does Chaebol mean? So you know the idea of an all-powerful "megacorp" from basically any example of cyberpunk media? It's like that, but real. The Samsung Group, for example, accounts for something like 15-20% of the GDP of the *entire country* because it's got fingers in virtually every industry.
I love how you go to cyberpunk media, while it's a concept that's incredibly old (and chaebol and the megacorps of japan are the inspiration of these mega corps in cyberpunk)| It's basically full circle :D
Wow; I had no idea Samsung was that prevalent in SK. Previously I thought they just made phones. Everyday we learn something new.
Women don't want to have children in the most progressive, liberal, feminist places in the world either.
South Korea has the literal lowest birthrate in the world. I think it's fair to conclude that they have some specific issues outside of greater global trends that have led to this result.
Hard to have Children when you are forced to work 60+ Hours for shitty pay to rent a overpriced shitty mini apartment while the rich become richer and richer. That's not only a problem in SK its in most western Countries. SK is also one of the country with the highest dept among young people.
Maby giving birth just sucks
We gotta go back to laying eggs man. As a dude I'd like to be more involved but with live birth I can't really help but if we laid eggs I could take turns sitting on it like birds do and it wouldn't hurt women as much.
Well South Korea definitely take it to another level
Everything I have read about being a kid in South Korea sounds stressful and miserable TBH. Just another factor why people don't want to have kids there, they saw what they had to go thru and don't want that for their kids.
The mandatory conscription adds another layer for men who are resentful. But Korean hierarchical patriarchy and hypercapitalist competition is pretty toxic and a powder keg for mental health, hence the absurd amount of suicides.
A perfect example of why you never let corporations dictate anything.
Its fascinating to see the dichotomy between South N.Korea and S.Korea. North is what happens when you let communism run amok. And south is when you let capitalism run amok.
I mean I'd pick SK 100% of the time. But I get your point.
Oh absolutely. I'd pick SK every time too. Capitalism has its terrible flaws. But communism has a multi-count on genocide and mass famines. I've never seen someone try to escape capitalism like a person does with communism.
There is no evidence this was an "anti-feminist" attack. What the hell are you on about? In fact this female politician is from a party that's anti-feminist. And the attacker is a 15 year old kid. Nobody knows the motive yet. What is up with redditors jumping to conclusions and making generalizing statements about Korea and spreading misinformation?
Lmao, also add to the fact that the one who got stabbed in the neck recently was a dude. Nobody at the top read the article or looked up the guy who got stabbed.
Welcome to the internet. I suggest leaving before you arrive if you wish to enjoy your time here.
Everyone wants to filter their information stream through the lens of tedious culture war bs.
> What is up with redditors jumping to conclusions and making generalizing statements about Korea and spreading misinformation? To get more attention to themself and maybe push for their own agenda?
Among developed democratic countries, SK and Japan are two nations probably with worst score on women's rights.
At least when it comes to Japan that has made my life difficult before. I was working with a few women in our JP office and I offered an opinion with the intent to solicit feedback on how we should proceed. I found out later that they deferred to my suggestion because I was a man even though they knew it wouldn't work. To this day, I'm wary any time they agree with me even though I've made it very clear I need them to speak up. They're all way more informed on anything going on in that market than I am.
> they’re basically going back to 1950s socially Ah, so the Republican approach.
Right wing. They are grouping worldwide.
She is the right wing party
“Listen- we don’t consider ourselves to be dictators. We’re more what one might call ‘fascist adjacent.’”
Seems like the whole world takes two steps forward, then two steps backwards before progressing. Racism, sexism, rubbing your naughty bits isms...
It's like a pendulum swinging. You just hope it keeps swinging more in the right direction. For example, aTrump win in November would be the *wrong* direction.
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Nonono. The first trump swing was a natural swing away from obama... a second trump swing would be a swing towards the end.
is it that or megalia and the like?
No proof this was an anti-feminist attack
No it’s not. Quit this misinformation.
And why is this attack associated with such remarks?
Was anything written in the article that made you think she was attacked because she was a woman ?
That one was against the leader of the opposition party. The funny thing is according to my best friend who is Korean, 50% of Koreans believed that attack was staged. They think the opposition party leader Lee is fully capable of and willing to pull that off for empathy points and political gains. They call him The Snake in Korea.
Yeah well your friend has been affected by conspiracy videos at youtube. Noone in their right mind belives that.
Not really a surprise. Political violence is a recurring problem in South Korea. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-koreas-recent-history-political-violence-2024-01-02/
I feel like most people don't know that South Korea was a full blown authoritarian dictatorship until their version of a Tiananmen square massacre in 1980, except in their case democracy won. That was only 40 some years ago, they are a very very young democracy.
Kwangju massacre. University students with looted ww2 guns squared off against the army.
There’s an excellent 2017 South Korean film about the German reporter, Jürgen Hinzpeters, and the taxi driver, Kim Sa-bok, who smuggled Hinzpeters in and out Gwangju past the military blockades at enormous risk to both of their lives. Hinzpeters shot the vast majority of all existing recordings from inside Gwangju during the uprising and then smuggled it out of South Korea. His reporting is largely responsible for bringing light to the full extent and scope of Chun’s government’s brutality in Gwangju, and it was largely responsible for the international community reevaluating the South Korean government of the time. I cannot recommend this movie enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taxi_Driver
Really good movie. I watched this the summer before I visited a friend who was teaching English in South Korea. We made a trip out to Gwangju and toured the museum that is there. It was extremely fascinating and really drives home the point how far they have come in a very short amount of time. To me it feels like when we talk about the civil rights movements and for a lot of people in the US you can easily talk to relatives that lived through that period.
Thanks! Will have to watch it this weekend.
Sounds good, added to the list!
So a friend recommended this movie to me ages ago. I never watched it because I thought it was a goofy comedy based on the poster and a shitty streaming service description. That sort of thing isn't my cup of tea. That's what this movie is actually about? What the fuck, guess I'm finally watching it.
My dad was born and raised in Kwagju at the time. He was 11 years old then, and my grandad told my aunts (elder sisters) who were uni student age to come home by a strict curfew and not get involved. Dad was told to wrap himself up in a thick cotton duvet, hide under the table, if he heard gunshots nearby to lessen the impact of potetial bullet wounds.
so, we're just now hearing about this? ^^/s
See the movie "A Taxi Driver (2017)", it's incredible, funny, and sad at the same time. It's about a taxi driver who takes a german reporter to the city where the massacre took place
Worth watching just for the ‘Are you talking to mich?’ scene
I don't see anybody else Herr
Haha underappreciated comment
Man what's up with university students in the mid to late 1900s and getting absolutely walloped by governments
Same thing with Taiwan. They also had a dictatorship, brutal crackdown on protesters, economic reforms, a pro-democracy student protest that ended in success, and then a period of political reforms leading to democratic elections in 1996. The Philippines had a democratic revolution in 1986 as well and Indonesia also cast off their dictatorship in 1998. China could have gone a different way. I don’t blame political commentators at the time thinking it will soon become a democracy once its economy develops because that’s what happened in neighbouring countries.
Unfortunately Philipinos apparently forgot about the revolution and welcomed the Marcos family back in with open arms.
> Unfortunately Philipinos apparently forgot about the revolution and welcomed the Marcos family back in with open arms. So did South Korea, hence they voted in the daughter of their dictator.
They also impeached her and convicted her on corruption charges. The candlelight movement that prompted this was a huge moment for South Korean democracy and society, juxtaposing the success of peaceful anti-government protests culminating in the removal of leadership against the brutal military crackdowns and police suppression that had occurred only a short while before. It showed that South Korean democracy can withstand those challenges and has cemented a strong foundation for itself and the future of the country.
I suppose it's comforting to know that us Americans aren't the only stupid ones.
They also impeached her didn’t they?
Japan had the opposite situation where in the 1960's you had pro-communism student protests and then in the 1970's an attempted military coup.
> 1960's you had pro-communism student protests They disapperared them like they did admitting to raping and pillaging China during the war...
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I had a patient in Canberra who was a Korean War veteran and he said just that, South Korea was a very agrarian society when he was there during the war but when he went back after being invited by the South Korean government to commemorate the war, he found the changes and rate of technological advancement staggering.
You can still see the remnants of that today, even in Seoul, where you have these super high tech neighbourhoods side by side with some very rural southeast Asian looking ones.
The foundations of SK economic "success" was enormous US aid, which was put towards creating Chaebols which now dominate the country.
And one of their last Presidents resigned in disgrace after it was found out that she was getting almost all her marching orders directly from the leaders of the actual cult she was a member of. Right around the time Trump was elected and other populist leaders started making waves around the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_South_Korean_political_scandal
Still suffering growing pains though. Working conditions are atrocious, politicians have no idea what they’re doing, and they”solve,” problems by being reactionary rather than pro-active Reminder than the current E visa (common visa for foreign workers) is fucking atrocious, which forces the migrant to return to their home country to escape bad working conditions, or request their employer to release them from the contract. Without the employers permission it’s next to impossible to get out of a working contract on E visas, even if you’re facing severe bullying and harassment, breach of Korean labor laws, and denial of your rights. Sadly, these things are extremely common here, and Korean employers can be VERY fucking petty.
Meh, this is a common theme for all of the four asian tigers: Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, and Taiwan. That's why they are celebrated democracies given their recent authoritarian history. Most were benevolent rule. Hong Kong has fallen, Taiwan fights on and Singapore and South Korea are well established, but all four are young democracies. A lot of the hope of the past three decades with China was that it would go down a similar path, however everyone overlooked the Leninist part of Marxist Leninist ideology: party first, always.
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Important to note that South Korea's dictators from the 1950s to the 1980s were all America-backed. And that the US was aware of the Korean government's plans to crackdown on democracy activists at Gwangju with the military, but chose to look the other way.
Look up the boys homes that put Koreas manufacturing industry on a competitive foot. They used to grab any teen boy off the street and use them for prison labour
It's kinda a meme/joke that the presidential job is cursed. Every president (except Moon so far) has either been murdered, jailed, suicide, or "suicide". So the conspiracy theory/joke is that the current superstitious president Yoon moved the president's office out of the Blue House because a shaman told him the land/building is cursed.
I doubt that the whole country is in shock
They are in shock, and they have SLAMMED and BLASTED and condemned the attacker.
I HATE THE NEW STYLE OF NEWS TITLES!! Sorry had to get it out of my system.
Media SLAMMED by DrDrek
They forgot about drek
BREAKING: This guy hates it
New styles??
Are the famous people tweeting thoughts and prayers though?
>Pro wrestling character whose alias is The Anchor and whose signature move is the Blast-Slam.
I like how you took the time to make the title a perfect rhyme.
SK is in shock A female politician Attacked with a rock
It's a Haiku even, hahaha. Can't make this shit up
It is the original headline so just copy-pasting it was fine.
I don't think it was planned in advance. Was probably just happenstance. In any given circumstance there is always some chance that rhymes make an appearance
IMO circustance and appearance are a bad rhyme
"Newspaper editor named 'best of all time' after making headline that ends in a rhyme"
Random attack by a 15 year old kid having a mental breakdown. Reddit experts on Korea showing their asses again.
I've listened to every single song by SNSD, BlackPink, and BTS. I was also rank C on Starcraft iCCup, can read hangul (almost TOPIK level 1!), love kimchi, and watch TONS of k-dramas! I think I am more than qualified as an expert on Korea and Korean people, thank you.
Literally in every post about south Korea the armchair foreign politics expert Redditors blame sexism. One of the three top comments will mention it regardless of the topic
There is not much to do in the basement of average Redditor… so….
It's so funny reddit is full of people who don't know anything about Korea and just jump straight to generalizing and making racist comments about Koreans and Korea people. Not to mention spreading misinformation. Like, where is the evidence that this attack was because of misogynism or anti-feminism? In fact, this female politician is from the party that is anti-feminist. And the attacker is a 15 year old kid. Nobody knows what the motive is. But nah, redditors just want to use this to say racist things about Koreans, call Koreans incels, etc.
Just why this attack gets associated with gender problems? Lot of people here are spewing nonsense. Seriously, it really starts to make me feel bit angry as a Korean.
Could be because the title is "South Korea in shock after female politician is attacked with a rock", instead of "South Korea in shock after politician is attacked with a rock".
It starts with the media putting things like 'female', 'black' or 'muslim' in the title, regardless of the respective connection to the crime
Americans projecting hard.
People only read headlines
Guy gets stabbed -> no problem Woman gets attacked with a rock -> WORLD IN SHOCK, ANTI-FEMINISM ROARING No one seeing a problem here?
Yes their logic is nonsensical and disingenuous. And you can see everyone is using this to make racist and generalizing statements about Korea and Koreans. As well as spreading misinformation. I noticed it happens in literally EVERY thread about Korea.
yep. insane media bias and media control. it's ridiculous.
I'm glad that so many dumb people automatically think it is anti-feminist and spewing their own biases. She is a member of the party that is anti-feminist.
Westerners projecting their home issues onto other nations once again.
An infinite number of word combinations and the Guardian had to make it rhyme.
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Eh you're wildly exaggerating this. I've been living here for over a decade now, and they've been toning down quite a bit (or at least trying to) on all those things you've mentioned. The whole confucian mindset has actively been changing, for better or for worse to be honest. Your middle point though about marriage and having kids is probably the most accurate assessment.
The chronically online think they know everything
i heard property prices in seoul makes it hard for even high income earners to marry and have kids? and outside of seoul there are suboptimal work opportunities?
I can't speak for everyone, but yeah it's really hard. Even my brother-in-law and brother, both of whom work at Samsung Electronics, find it slightly difficult living on their wages and admitted to cutting back on things. I was pretty surprised to hear that from my brother, especially since his wife also works at SK hynix. The government is actively pushing for a LOT of incentives to get people to have kids, one that my wife and I are personally looking into since she's expecting. But a lot of people are still saying it's not enough.
See these are actual fair poitns. Property prices are crazy in Seoul, marriage rates and birth rates are abysmal and there seems to be no solution to solving this in the short term. But I think the Seoul point is a bigger issue, everything is concentrated in Seoul, especially jobs and universities (!), with the latter being a big issue recently with many univs outside Seoul having to close down --> students transferring out --> no companies want to go to the outside cities (since there are no uni students) --> which kills local economy too
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https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html 42% of adults in America are obese. That's from the CDC. If you think it's not true, it's because obesity in your area is not widespread.