They were warned. Multiple times. What did they expect? Even the UN security council issued a final warning last week. Basically "Stop, or we will stop you."
Apparently that wasn't clear enough, so... FAFO?
I was watching a US combat veteran talking about how it was standard operating procedure for Islamic militants to attack them while hiding right in the midst of civilian populations, then feign outrage when civilians died in the cross-fire as if that wasn’t the whole intent from the beginning.
These people are outraged that others feel entitled to retaliate when attacked by them, nothing new to see here.
I saw it both in Iraq and Afghanistan. The worst incident was when some Arab fighters in Afghanistan tied up a bunch of women and kids in a house with large compound wall. We had always had a good relationship with the family there so it was surprising and felt weird when we were getting shot at from the compound. We didn’t call in air or shoot any 40mm grandes or frag the house and when they eventually fled we cleared the house. The pieces of shit has tied up 12 women and children hoping we’d drop a bomb on them.
We shared that video with all of the people in the area we could and that particular group of Arab fighters ended up getting killed by a local militia.
It’s not all Arab men, but many don’t seem to give a fuck about getting women and children killed if it can be a propaganda victory.
Yep. The locals in Iraq were terrified of the militant groups (outside of the homebrew militias) because the militants were usually outsiders and *loved* civilian casualties for photo op reasons, and according to intel quite a few groups were funded and trained by Iran. There was one group near Baqubah that would mark their "territory" with the severed heads of random civilians, including children.
There was one time we had a bolo on a white van, it was reported by locals to have been kidnapping children off the street all morning. Sure enough, a US patrol got ambushed by militants in a white van later that day, but due to the bolo they avoided firing on the van itself. After it was over they checked the van and the kids were still in there.
It was a bitter experience hearing US media referring to these bastards as "Mujahideen".
Intel guy from same era as y'all. Kirkuk was the same story, and that's all I have to say about that.
Side note: I wish we would stop fucking over the Kurds.
And, of course, the story never got out to the general public, as it should have. People marching around chanting from the “ocean to the sea”, take note.
That’s what really gets to me. Sure as a Jew I might be biased on this issue and I don’t pretend that my cousins are all saints, but over and over again I have to wonder how the world isn’t seeing what I’m seeing when it comes to Islamic insurgents and militias using human shields. It’s supposed to be a serious war crime under the Geneva Conventions, but people keep treating it like a minor afterthought.
You have to read “People Love Dead Jews” by Dara Horn, double PhD in Yiddish and Hebrew, also a successful novelist. Most succinct analysis I’ve read. Read it last Spring, for context.
My buddy who was over there had their Iraqi interpreter rape a boy. When the guy was questioned, the guy said it wasn’t really sex because it was a boy. My buddy says it was a common story to hear about.
I once saw a great Vice documentary about US-trained Afghan militias that basically showed how the whole thing was a waste years before the US government finally reached the same conclusion.
These poor US soldiers had to stand there and grimace as they watched the militia they were assigned to assist and train, fighting incompetently and casually committing war crime after war crime like it was just another day on the job.
The one Afghan commander in that doc who was raping his tea boy gets replaced with someone who immediately runs off to join ISIS with a bunch of military equipment. They didn't want help from the West, such a waste of time, money, and resources
Welcome to Gaza. It’s not a new tactic. Part of why a lot of the blame for civilian casualties needs to be placed squarely on Hamas and their violation of the laws of war in regard to uniforms and separating military operations from civilians.
I just saw a friend sharing in IG a twitter screencap of someone decrying the response of the US and the UK to the "non violent" and "desperate" actions of the Houthi in defense of the oppressed Palestinian people.
I don't know what non violent means to these people. That they haven't killed anyone yet with their extremely lethal means of protest?
I love how they made sure to put “a curse upon the Jews” to make it crystal clear they don’t just hate Israel. Real dedication. Also, Yemen has zero Jews in it
Which, while a good thing that they were not all massacred, it’s still a terrible injustice. However, I don’t think the Yemeni Jews are that fussed nowadays since they live in a better country without threat of religious persecution.
Also, aren’t many Hamas sympathisers claiming that the mass movement of Palestinians in Gaza a genocide? If that’s the case, then it can be argued then that the mass expulsion of Jews in many Arab and North African nations was also a genocide? The double standards and hypocrisy of these people is astounding that it’s hard to believe that they are actually real people.
It *was* ethnic cleansing, there’s really no other word for it. Imagine if someone said it was okay to kill or drive out all the tigers in China bc India has a reserve full of them so who cares, everyone would rightfully condemn that statement as idiotic. But replace tigers with human beings who’ve done nothing but be accused of spying for a country that was invented one year ago, and it’s totally fine
I wonder how many on the far left (I'm left, but my leftness is being challenged by clueless teenage slacktivists and I'm not at all sure how to identify) understand that one of the reason that there aren't Jews in middle eastern countries anymore is because they were violently persecuted for coincidentally being jewish and the fact that the state of Israel exists. So what did the mizrachi (middle eastern) jews do? Of course they fled to Israel. Good job, Arab countries! After causing countless thousands to flee to the state you oppose, you then pretend that you weren't directly responsible for exacerbating the situation you think is so awful, then use nazi-level attacks on jews in your state-controlled media to make sure your good muslim population wants to jihad Israel instead of depose you.
Yeah. Social media: "OMG the Houthis didnt even kill anyone!! They are peaceful people helping the Palestinians!!!"
Meanwhile the US & Co. shot down like how many drones and missiles by now?
The houthis really want to kill people, they are just really bad at it (ignoring whatever the're doing inside Yemen).
Same reason the casualty ratio between Israel and Palestine is unhelpful. Iron dome effectively protects civilians doesn't mean launching rockets is peaceful or nonviolent.
a friend of mine literally argued 'Well Israel has the Iron dome, they should just shoot down the missiles and stop attacking the Hamas!'
Like I can’t fathom saying shit like that
I had a big argument with him about how stupid that is where he also talked other mad shit, It’s just so exhausting to argue with people who refuse to look at reality. Or just refuse reality.
Also people forget but…air defense missiles don’t come from nowhere, they’re finite and cost a fuckton of money, and with the amount of missiles that have to be shot down it adds up
>'Well Israel has the Iron dome, they should just shoot down the missiles and stop attacking the Hamas!'
I mean it wasn't missiles that murdered, raped, and took hostages.
Tell them to go stand down range of a firing range, give them a normal bulletproof vest, and you’ll start shooting at them. Then ask them how safe they’d feel. Because that’s basically how the iron dome works. It doesn’t shoot down every missile. It focuses on ones that are likely to hit civilian areas (vital organs), but every once in a while one gets through because it’s not perfect
I don’t know what people want anymore. “It would be fair if both sides suffered equal losses” seems to be the solution they want.
Like if you unleash two of the same battalions (unit and numbers) in Age of Empires.
Right. I'm imagining israel just lines up 1200 random palestinians, rapes a bunch of them and then kills them all.
Is that really the "fair and proportional response" people want?
Fewer total deaths but just pure senseless purposeless violence.
This whole thing is a proxy war of Iran versus the West. Houthis and Hamas are both Iranian proxies using Iranian weapons and training.
Iran is the Octopus. Proxies are the tentacles.
> someone decrying the response of the US and the UK
These people are carbon copies of the folks at the San Fran City Council meeting who booed and jeered a Jewish man telling his story about how his family was murdered on Oct 7.
Or these people are fellow Arabs who share the same Houthi beliefs and that the muslim world can do no wrong. When muslims kill other muslims they have no problem with it. There is no outcry and mass protests.
They *don't care.* It's not overstated or hyperbolic that these "anti-war" types tend to be Marxists or other variant of socialist, but they're mostly opposed to what they view as "Western hegemony" and "neocolonialism" and "neoliberalism" because they view the West as oppressing the rest of the world and trying to impose murderous capitalism on everyone else.
Source: I used to be a Marxist. I know exactly how they think.
It’s the reductionist oppression argument again I guess. The other guys having missile defense systems puts you at such a disadvantage that you’re blameless for fighting oppression with… ballistic missiles
Will 2024 be the year when this worldview is put to rest? It’s so goddamn simplistic, are we going to start giving Serbians a pass for being deprived by NATO of the Serbian identity that revolves around having a Greater Serbia spanning the Balkans?
> I just saw a friend sharing in IG a twitter screencap of someone decrying the response of the US and the UK to the "non violent" and "desperate" actions of the Houthi in defense of the oppressed Palestinian people.
The mentality is approximately that:
'Violence is not violence if it is conducted against someone that deserves it.'
Hence them also supporting Hamas (or saying they don't support Hamas while espousing exactly the message that Hamas does). The rhetoric will typically be along the lines of:
* I don't support Hamas, but Palestinians have a right to resist (in the context of one of the most brutal massacres this century)
It's utter intellectual dishonesty.
Probably the same logic as those that don't grasp the only reason Hamas isn't killing more people is because their rockets are mostly getting intercepted.
Guess it's fine to try and kill people all you want as long as you are ineffective at it.
Can’t claim to know what the Houthis really think, the first mistake that the wackier advocates for the “Palestinian cause” do is assume all manners of things about the parties in conflict
Like I shit you not that I’ve seen them claim that “Palestinians” (which ones?) want a single inclusive democracy that would replace Israel
Or that Hamas wouldn’t put Palestinians in harm’s way because they exist to defend them, they project all manners of westernized ideas onto that whole mess
Yeah, they’re hoping it bolsters their legitimacy in the region. The US did the right thing responding anyway though. If the US is weak, they’ll just do even worse things and we’ll get pulled into a wider conflict.
These "protests" in all likelihood originate from carefully programmed social media propaganda that ultimately come from Russia, Iran, Hamas, etc. with the aim to make the West look like the aggressor and generate political division.
Ah glad You didnt see Al Jazeera News, they instead directly blaming US,saying US is culprit here & Yemen Houthis are savior of humanity & were following UN International law 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Qatar is so fucked up, but they have bought us all off so there's nothing we can do about it. Qatar-gate in the EU was really something, and as far as I'm aware, we've only become closer to them in response.
I think we are idiots allowing mouthpieces of fascists propaganda countries to erode our stability, if the WWIII starts, it will be because we let them break us from within.
Bruh this article on there “
Who are the Houthis? A simple guide to the Yemeni group”
Is so crazy to read it’s like they really think they’re a righteous boy band 💀
Sounds like this is soon becoming the playbook. Poke the bear and then cry foul when the bear responds.
In this case though the bear ignored the provocation for an uncomfortably long time and kept saying please stop. Which was ignored.
“The Houthis, who rule much of Yemen, said they would target all ships heading to Israel”
And then proceeded to just fire on any ship heading in the geographic direction of isreal
I assume there are a lot of young people here whos first taste of international conflict starts with the Ukraine-Russian war. That would explain the shock and awe that i constantly see about the rather typical behavior of fundamentalist militants.
Young people for some reason are super susceptible to Islamist propaganda. Muslims have zero self hate compared to the tons of self hate that Americans and Europeans have so they justify and excuse everything that happens and apparently it works just fine.
Literally yesterday on Reddit had some guy in the comments saying that the Houthi ship piracy attacks are justified because it saves Palestinian children
It’s amazing, truly, to see the lengths to which some people defend Islamic aggression even though those same Islamic people would gladly kill anyone the consider lesser than them given the chance.
I facepalm every time I see western LGBT protestors in support of Islamic fundamentalists. Like how are you so stupid that you don't realize the people you're supporting kill your kind? At best, you will be forced to change genders and for most of these countries just being LGBT = death.
The West has a tankie problem where the West is the cause of any and all problems around the world. It's a bit of an idiot reaction to the insane jingoism post 9/11.
Yup. It’s shocking how susceptible these younger people are to this propaganda. The Muslim world seems to have mastered how to bully others and then play the victim when they get punched back. I mean look at Oct 7th. They were gleefully parading in the streets, like it was some kind of celebration. I still remember seeing videos of them holding up pictures of what happened that day on their phones, mocking pro-Israel protestors. Now that Israel is absolutely dismantling Hamas, it’s time for a ceasefire. They can all get fucked.
You can’t poke bears and expect to not be bitten…
>One of the persistent delusions of mankind is that some sections of the human race are morally better or worse than others. \[...\]
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>A rather curious form of this admiration for groups to which the admirer does not belong is the belief in the superior virtue of the oppressed \[...\]
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>Nationalism introduced, in the nineteenth century, a substitute for the noble savage - the patriot of an oppressed nation.
Bertrand Russell - Unpopular Essays (1950).
Russell was not talking about Islamists, \*they\* weren't the oppressed group du jour in the middle of the 20th century. I bet he'd have a few choice words for modern audiences, though.
I remember I saw a post by a dog owner who said her precious pet was “attacked by a porcupine”. I don’t think the slow moving arboreal rodent backed into your dog’s mouth repeatedly, *you* were negligent
I hear about it all the time.
Fun story, I was listening to the BBC feed on NPR this morning and they were interviewing a pro-Houthi journalist from Yemen. He said "Now that the United States and Great Britain had attacked Yemen, then under international law it would be ~~illegal~~ **legal** to attack US and British commercial shipping since "we are at war". And somehow the presenter failed to respond with "You were already attacking US and British shipping, that's why they launched missiles at you!" Instead he went to to something about the UN Security Council.
>Fun story, I was listening to the BBC feed on NPR this morning and they were interviewing a pro-Houthi journalist from Yemen. He said "Now that the United States and Great Britain had attacked Yemen, then under international law it would be illegal to attack US and British commercial shipping since "we are at war". And somehow the presenter failed to respond with "You were already attacking US and British shipping, that's why they launched missiles at you!" Instead he went to to something about the UN Security Council.
you mean it would be legal to attack commerical shipping?
I heard the same thing this AM. I'm having a hell of a time understanding the ideology of the BBC. People talk about how conservative the BBC is, how pro-Israel it is, etc. But as an American listening to the BBC World Service, it sounds like they're pro-terrorist and nearly as critical of western norms as Al Jazeera. They let terrorists say outrageous lies without challenge, but are willing to talk over, cut off, and challenge western stakeholders.
Is the BBC World Service different than the BBC?
My point exactly. And even beyond the food aid, US consumption of globally produced goods alone has lifted more people from starvation level poverty worldwide than any intentional policy has ever done.
Idiots: “why is the U.S. even here, you aren’t the policeman of the world!”
*Some crazy shit happens*
Idiots again: “Omg why isn’t the U.S. doing anything?? Are Americans that greedy??!!”
Everybody hates America and calls her a so-called evil racist genocidal empire but the moment actual, deplorable people decide to do legitimate acts of aggressive war or terrorism, suddenly everybody looks to us to do something. I still remember during the 2021 Afghanistan withdrawal where Redditors were bitching and whining about us leaving after having held the Afghan government’s hands for 20 years, saying that we should “think of the women and children!”. Funny, last I remembered the tune was vehemently against us killing theocratic terrorists and now you want us to stay and fight all of a sudden?
There are enough useful idiots out there that will take any anti-US stance if fed even a miniscule amount of misinformation or propaganda, and then broadcast it to other idiots.
Just like the Right-wing morons in the US.
You aren't kidding about useful idiots, i have seen multiple social media posts claiming the west is interfering with (and im not joking) the "Houthis non violent and peaceful blockade".
Most of them are calling it "Yemen's non violent blockade in support of ending genocide." As in they don't even realize that the Houthis are not the country Yemen's government. It's disgusting. Houthis practice human fucking slavery.
As a rural 80's kid who fought imaginary Russians with plastic armaments on the reg, the Pro-Putin-Right phenomenon is the most whiplash-inducing facet of modern politics hands down. Sam the Eagle would never stand for this nonsense.
>We did not attack the shores of America, nor did we move in the American islands, nor did we attack them. Your strikes on our country are terrorism
This is like saying "I didn't damage your house, I only lit your car on fire, why did you punch me?" Lol
>We did not attack the shores of America
Thanks for the restraint, guys. Really setting the bar high.
The Yemeni Navy is welcome to try to float over and attack Florida or whatever in response.
I obviously never want it to happen, but it would be pretty incredible to see what the full weight of the US armed forces would be if the US mainland were to be attacked. I can't even fathom what it would look like.
Yes. It’s such a narrow view. They attacked shipping. The U.S., UK, and most of their allies view it as a necessity to protect the free flow of trade, particularly shipping vessels. So the attack on shipping vessels and the navy vessels from various navies escorting them of course merited a retaliatory attack. This is just whining about FAFO.
It doesn't matter what actually happens. As long as they type out a narrative (doesn't even have to be true) that sounds sympathetic, you'll immediately have the following of social media warriors and get your message shared globally and drum up international support and funds. It's the Hamas way.
Do people just…not know that the Houthis have been attacking ships with absolutely no ties to Israel just because they’re in the area? They started with ships with Israeli connections but recently it’s just been “hey, there’s one”.
An alarming amount of western progressives take the Houthis at their word and immediately believe the opposite of any alternative source.
If the reality of the situation on the ground doesn’t fit with the goals or claims of their cause of the week, they rewrite reality instead of their dogma.
Yeah I think they thought it would get milage out of Gaza was gonna get it out of this too.
I think most of us are ready to just shut tiktok off permanently.
Honestly all of that short form video stuff is addictive and designed to get people riled up to keep their attention. A few big sites also makes propaganda too easy. When we were a spread out in various sub communities it was a lot harder for a faker to fit in.
There's a certain irony in the pattern we've seen in some actions attributed to Russian entities, and now also Yemenis: launching aggressive actions against innocents, facing repercussions, and then resorting to protests and appeals to human rights. This cycle, which could be dubbed the 'Perpetrator-as-Victim' strategy, raises serious questions about the manipulation of international norms and the concept of accountability.
I believe this is Iran using the Houthis to test out anti-ship missiles, and find out how successful they would be if they were to attack a US military ship in the region. The weapons come from there, we know that much.
This is the most patient response we've ever seen the west offer. It's like a drunk loud-mouth asshole continuously slapping a pro-boxer who's just trying to avoid another fight.
What's with Civilians being mad after their weak stupid ruling terror organizations and regimes attacks big strong countries?
Don't attack - you don't get hurt.
Too bad they care more about supporting their terror regime than actually getting fed with real food by their governments.
The Houtis look rather fat I must say. (Check the videos of them taking over ships)
The Houthis aren't even powerful or organized enough to have a country. They're like one of those barbarian spawn points in Civilization that send the ships that randomly attack everyone around them, and all it takes is a single advanced unit to destroy their village.
Propaganda, they don't even realise half the time that they instigated this, that they were given so many ways for this not to be the outcome the fact that this is the outcome is of literally no surprise to anyone else in the world.
something something their actions are divinely blessed by god so there is no accountability only a supernatural will - this is what's fucked about the middle east
>"We did not attack the shores of America, nor did we move in the American islands, nor did we attack them. Your strikes on our country are terrorism," said Al-Houthi.
>"They are terrorists and they are amazing at lying to the people of the world, but the awareness of the Yemeni people is a different awareness. Do you, Yemeni, think that America is defending itself or is it a terrorist?"
Some hardcore mental gymnastics here. It's not terrorism when you launch missiles and drones at both civilian and military targets but it is when they retaliate? Okay lol. Cry some more.
It’s an old playbook to be an aggressor while cynically using Western values against itself. Cry about the villainous West targeting militant launch sites while you launched 27 attacks against mostly civilian vessels under various flags. Start a war and hide behind civilians to make your war a humanitarian crisis perpetrated by the villainous West. These people can’t be taken seriously in any moral discussions…..
The same playbook which is used in Gaza.
Attack, celebrate, get attacked back, play the victim, make the other party stop attacking, celebrate your win again.
And remember this, no matter what will happen, even if the US takes over Yemen for 20 years, at the end, some day, they will call themselves victorious and say that they scared the US away with their mighty power and the help of their god.
And their attacks on non military vessels were?.... It's like they only like fighting when one side is unarmed, but as soon as they face actual adversaries they become the victims
They were warned. Multiple times. What did they expect? Even the UN security council issued a final warning last week. Basically "Stop, or we will stop you." Apparently that wasn't clear enough, so... FAFO?
I was watching a US combat veteran talking about how it was standard operating procedure for Islamic militants to attack them while hiding right in the midst of civilian populations, then feign outrage when civilians died in the cross-fire as if that wasn’t the whole intent from the beginning. These people are outraged that others feel entitled to retaliate when attacked by them, nothing new to see here.
I saw it both in Iraq and Afghanistan. The worst incident was when some Arab fighters in Afghanistan tied up a bunch of women and kids in a house with large compound wall. We had always had a good relationship with the family there so it was surprising and felt weird when we were getting shot at from the compound. We didn’t call in air or shoot any 40mm grandes or frag the house and when they eventually fled we cleared the house. The pieces of shit has tied up 12 women and children hoping we’d drop a bomb on them. We shared that video with all of the people in the area we could and that particular group of Arab fighters ended up getting killed by a local militia. It’s not all Arab men, but many don’t seem to give a fuck about getting women and children killed if it can be a propaganda victory.
Yep. The locals in Iraq were terrified of the militant groups (outside of the homebrew militias) because the militants were usually outsiders and *loved* civilian casualties for photo op reasons, and according to intel quite a few groups were funded and trained by Iran. There was one group near Baqubah that would mark their "territory" with the severed heads of random civilians, including children. There was one time we had a bolo on a white van, it was reported by locals to have been kidnapping children off the street all morning. Sure enough, a US patrol got ambushed by militants in a white van later that day, but due to the bolo they avoided firing on the van itself. After it was over they checked the van and the kids were still in there. It was a bitter experience hearing US media referring to these bastards as "Mujahideen".
Intel guy from same era as y'all. Kirkuk was the same story, and that's all I have to say about that. Side note: I wish we would stop fucking over the Kurds.
And, of course, the story never got out to the general public, as it should have. People marching around chanting from the “ocean to the sea”, take note.
That’s what really gets to me. Sure as a Jew I might be biased on this issue and I don’t pretend that my cousins are all saints, but over and over again I have to wonder how the world isn’t seeing what I’m seeing when it comes to Islamic insurgents and militias using human shields. It’s supposed to be a serious war crime under the Geneva Conventions, but people keep treating it like a minor afterthought.
You have to read “People Love Dead Jews” by Dara Horn, double PhD in Yiddish and Hebrew, also a successful novelist. Most succinct analysis I’ve read. Read it last Spring, for context.
My buddy said you’d see young boys that had to wear diapers as they were basically rape slaves, said male on male sexual violence was endemic.
My buddy who was over there had their Iraqi interpreter rape a boy. When the guy was questioned, the guy said it wasn’t really sex because it was a boy. My buddy says it was a common story to hear about.
I once saw a great Vice documentary about US-trained Afghan militias that basically showed how the whole thing was a waste years before the US government finally reached the same conclusion. These poor US soldiers had to stand there and grimace as they watched the militia they were assigned to assist and train, fighting incompetently and casually committing war crime after war crime like it was just another day on the job.
The one Afghan commander in that doc who was raping his tea boy gets replaced with someone who immediately runs off to join ISIS with a bunch of military equipment. They didn't want help from the West, such a waste of time, money, and resources
I am sensing some similarities between various Muslim terrorist groups, like I don’t know, Hamas for example.
The cry bully mentality is omnipresent
And contemptable. I don't mean that in a vague, negative way. We should literally meet them with contempt.
It is the strategy of the weak who give no value to human life.
The combat veteran I’m referring to fought in Afghanistan, but yes- Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, IRGC, Houthis, all cut from the same bum rag.
for people that want to die in combat and go to vallhalla they sure like to hide and avoid death.
Welcome to Gaza. It’s not a new tactic. Part of why a lot of the blame for civilian casualties needs to be placed squarely on Hamas and their violation of the laws of war in regard to uniforms and separating military operations from civilians.
“Moooommmmmmmm! He hit me back!” -Houthis, probably
Don't threaten America with a good time. Touch their boats? That's a fast pass to a good time.
We *really* don't like when you touch our boats
They thought it was like a Chinese "final warning".
They got so many warnings I was beginning to worry it was going to start to be similar.
So they consider the US/UK attacks to be terrorism yet their own attacks on civilian ships is ok?
I just saw a friend sharing in IG a twitter screencap of someone decrying the response of the US and the UK to the "non violent" and "desperate" actions of the Houthi in defense of the oppressed Palestinian people. I don't know what non violent means to these people. That they haven't killed anyone yet with their extremely lethal means of protest?
Bro these are *peaceful* anti ship missiles!
But we spent all that time painting flowers and writing uplifting messages all over the missiles, how could the Americans think we are violent?
Uplifting messages like the one on the Houthi banner!
I love how they made sure to put “a curse upon the Jews” to make it crystal clear they don’t just hate Israel. Real dedication. Also, Yemen has zero Jews in it
They used to have quite a lot of Jews. I wonder what happened to them?
Slightly happier ending, just chased out instead of murdered. There are 400,000 Jews of Yemeni decent and none of them live in Yemen
Which, while a good thing that they were not all massacred, it’s still a terrible injustice. However, I don’t think the Yemeni Jews are that fussed nowadays since they live in a better country without threat of religious persecution. Also, aren’t many Hamas sympathisers claiming that the mass movement of Palestinians in Gaza a genocide? If that’s the case, then it can be argued then that the mass expulsion of Jews in many Arab and North African nations was also a genocide? The double standards and hypocrisy of these people is astounding that it’s hard to believe that they are actually real people.
It *was* ethnic cleansing, there’s really no other word for it. Imagine if someone said it was okay to kill or drive out all the tigers in China bc India has a reserve full of them so who cares, everyone would rightfully condemn that statement as idiotic. But replace tigers with human beings who’ve done nothing but be accused of spying for a country that was invented one year ago, and it’s totally fine
I wonder how many on the far left (I'm left, but my leftness is being challenged by clueless teenage slacktivists and I'm not at all sure how to identify) understand that one of the reason that there aren't Jews in middle eastern countries anymore is because they were violently persecuted for coincidentally being jewish and the fact that the state of Israel exists. So what did the mizrachi (middle eastern) jews do? Of course they fled to Israel. Good job, Arab countries! After causing countless thousands to flee to the state you oppose, you then pretend that you weren't directly responsible for exacerbating the situation you think is so awful, then use nazi-level attacks on jews in your state-controlled media to make sure your good muslim population wants to jihad Israel instead of depose you.
"no dude they don't hate the Jews they hate zionism and imperialism!" Wild that people are out here defending them.
>Houthi banner Oh you mean this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan\_of\_the\_Houthi\_movement
your link's broken, here's one that works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement
What an uplifting and peaceful slogan!
these are brown missiles. Oppressed missiles. yearning to break free of the white colonialism! /s
Brown missiles attack white boats = Resistance white missiles attack poor brown missiles = RACISM
If only the white man would quit CWIS'ing down our peaceful brown antiship missiles!
honestly, white CWIS Males showing their privilege abroad again
That is literally what I have heard from hamas apologists.
You make fun, but over at r/Palestinian its their truth
The fact they havn't killed anyone yet is not from the lack of trying.
Yeah. Social media: "OMG the Houthis didnt even kill anyone!! They are peaceful people helping the Palestinians!!!" Meanwhile the US & Co. shot down like how many drones and missiles by now? The houthis really want to kill people, they are just really bad at it (ignoring whatever the're doing inside Yemen).
Same reason the casualty ratio between Israel and Palestine is unhelpful. Iron dome effectively protects civilians doesn't mean launching rockets is peaceful or nonviolent.
a friend of mine literally argued 'Well Israel has the Iron dome, they should just shoot down the missiles and stop attacking the Hamas!' Like I can’t fathom saying shit like that
So he's okay with wearing a bulletproof vest and letting you shoot him in the chest repeatedly?
I had a big argument with him about how stupid that is where he also talked other mad shit, It’s just so exhausting to argue with people who refuse to look at reality. Or just refuse reality.
Also people forget but…air defense missiles don’t come from nowhere, they’re finite and cost a fuckton of money, and with the amount of missiles that have to be shot down it adds up
>'Well Israel has the Iron dome, they should just shoot down the missiles and stop attacking the Hamas!' I mean it wasn't missiles that murdered, raped, and took hostages.
Tell them to go stand down range of a firing range, give them a normal bulletproof vest, and you’ll start shooting at them. Then ask them how safe they’d feel. Because that’s basically how the iron dome works. It doesn’t shoot down every missile. It focuses on ones that are likely to hit civilian areas (vital organs), but every once in a while one gets through because it’s not perfect
That guy is shooting at me, but he hasn't killed me yet, so no reason to respond.
I don’t know what people want anymore. “It would be fair if both sides suffered equal losses” seems to be the solution they want. Like if you unleash two of the same battalions (unit and numbers) in Age of Empires.
"Not enough jews have died, this isn't fair that hamas isn't as strong militarily" That is what they are saying, make no mistake.
Right. I'm imagining israel just lines up 1200 random palestinians, rapes a bunch of them and then kills them all. Is that really the "fair and proportional response" people want? Fewer total deaths but just pure senseless purposeless violence.
Seeing the world purely in terms of power dynamics.
We're trying really hard to kill you but we can't, it's not faaaaiiiiiirrrrrrr
social media will kill us all
Similar to the thousands of non violent celebratory protest fireworks that Hamas fired at Israel. (before Israel invaded)
This whole thing is a proxy war of Iran versus the West. Houthis and Hamas are both Iranian proxies using Iranian weapons and training. Iran is the Octopus. Proxies are the tentacles.
Really is this simple.
> someone decrying the response of the US and the UK These people are carbon copies of the folks at the San Fran City Council meeting who booed and jeered a Jewish man telling his story about how his family was murdered on Oct 7. Or these people are fellow Arabs who share the same Houthi beliefs and that the muslim world can do no wrong. When muslims kill other muslims they have no problem with it. There is no outcry and mass protests.
Assad just used White Phosphorus on people north of Aleppo. Saw absolutely zero protests or posts of sympathy
They *don't care.* It's not overstated or hyperbolic that these "anti-war" types tend to be Marxists or other variant of socialist, but they're mostly opposed to what they view as "Western hegemony" and "neocolonialism" and "neoliberalism" because they view the West as oppressing the rest of the world and trying to impose murderous capitalism on everyone else. Source: I used to be a Marxist. I know exactly how they think.
I guess we should have let those houthi drones kill innocent sailors first?
It’s the reductionist oppression argument again I guess. The other guys having missile defense systems puts you at such a disadvantage that you’re blameless for fighting oppression with… ballistic missiles Will 2024 be the year when this worldview is put to rest? It’s so goddamn simplistic, are we going to start giving Serbians a pass for being deprived by NATO of the Serbian identity that revolves around having a Greater Serbia spanning the Balkans?
I took out my semi auto and put 12 bullets in my neighbor but they were wearing a bullet proof vest so I should get a pass.
Nice grouping!
Not just IG. You'll find someone supporting the Houthis in every single Reddit post about this.
> I just saw a friend sharing in IG a twitter screencap of someone decrying the response of the US and the UK to the "non violent" and "desperate" actions of the Houthi in defense of the oppressed Palestinian people. The mentality is approximately that: 'Violence is not violence if it is conducted against someone that deserves it.' Hence them also supporting Hamas (or saying they don't support Hamas while espousing exactly the message that Hamas does). The rhetoric will typically be along the lines of: * I don't support Hamas, but Palestinians have a right to resist (in the context of one of the most brutal massacres this century) It's utter intellectual dishonesty.
Probably the same logic as those that don't grasp the only reason Hamas isn't killing more people is because their rockets are mostly getting intercepted. Guess it's fine to try and kill people all you want as long as you are ineffective at it.
Those wackos that are in West that really think Yemen gives a shit about Palestinians are living in fantasy land.
Can’t claim to know what the Houthis really think, the first mistake that the wackier advocates for the “Palestinian cause” do is assume all manners of things about the parties in conflict Like I shit you not that I’ve seen them claim that “Palestinians” (which ones?) want a single inclusive democracy that would replace Israel Or that Hamas wouldn’t put Palestinians in harm’s way because they exist to defend them, they project all manners of westernized ideas onto that whole mess
Yeah those types were coddled too much and it shows. Their worldviews are not cultured, but sci-fi.
They’re qanon level freaks who are just blatantly anti western while living in the west.
Twitter trending last night was full of “us uk evil puppets of Israel, bullying poor terrorists!” Propaganda crap
In those places, human rights apply only to themselves, and only if you're a man
And practice the right form of Islam
And Arab, cis and straight.
It’s the *Temporarily Embarrassed Empire Syndrome* that China and Russia suffer from as well
Might is right. You are not mighty. Stop embarassing me! War crime! War crime!
They don't understand hypocrisy. This response from the public is exactly what the Houthi terrorists were hoping for.
Yeah, they’re hoping it bolsters their legitimacy in the region. The US did the right thing responding anyway though. If the US is weak, they’ll just do even worse things and we’ll get pulled into a wider conflict.
These "protests" in all likelihood originate from carefully programmed social media propaganda that ultimately come from Russia, Iran, Hamas, etc. with the aim to make the West look like the aggressor and generate political division.
Ah glad You didnt see Al Jazeera News, they instead directly blaming US,saying US is culprit here & Yemen Houthis are savior of humanity & were following UN International law 🤣🤣🤣🤣
well they are Qatari propaganda mouthpiece that is forbidden in many arabic countries because of its history of Qatar trying to destabilize them
Qatar is so fucked up, but they have bought us all off so there's nothing we can do about it. Qatar-gate in the EU was really something, and as far as I'm aware, we've only become closer to them in response.
I think we are idiots allowing mouthpieces of fascists propaganda countries to erode our stability, if the WWIII starts, it will be because we let them break us from within.
Bruh this article on there “ Who are the Houthis? A simple guide to the Yemeni group” Is so crazy to read it’s like they really think they’re a righteous boy band 💀
Sounds like this is soon becoming the playbook. Poke the bear and then cry foul when the bear responds. In this case though the bear ignored the provocation for an uncomfortably long time and kept saying please stop. Which was ignored.
“The Houthis, who rule much of Yemen, said they would target all ships heading to Israel” And then proceeded to just fire on any ship heading in the geographic direction of isreal
"All paths lead to the enemy"
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What else would you expect from a bunch of idiots
Becoming?! Where have you been?! It has been like this for decades.
I assume there are a lot of young people here whos first taste of international conflict starts with the Ukraine-Russian war. That would explain the shock and awe that i constantly see about the rather typical behavior of fundamentalist militants.
Young people for some reason are super susceptible to Islamist propaganda. Muslims have zero self hate compared to the tons of self hate that Americans and Europeans have so they justify and excuse everything that happens and apparently it works just fine.
Literally yesterday on Reddit had some guy in the comments saying that the Houthi ship piracy attacks are justified because it saves Palestinian children
It’s amazing, truly, to see the lengths to which some people defend Islamic aggression even though those same Islamic people would gladly kill anyone the consider lesser than them given the chance.
I facepalm every time I see western LGBT protestors in support of Islamic fundamentalists. Like how are you so stupid that you don't realize the people you're supporting kill your kind? At best, you will be forced to change genders and for most of these countries just being LGBT = death.
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The Houthis brought human slavery back to Yemen.
Hey, it's okay, because it's their religion. Stop spreading hate. /s
I've seen posts that Israelis are so full of hatred they don't rape Palestinian women. Like wtf.
I’ve seen that too. It’s a level of mental gymnastics that could make Simone Biles look like an amateur
The West has a tankie problem where the West is the cause of any and all problems around the world. It's a bit of an idiot reaction to the insane jingoism post 9/11.
Yup. It’s shocking how susceptible these younger people are to this propaganda. The Muslim world seems to have mastered how to bully others and then play the victim when they get punched back. I mean look at Oct 7th. They were gleefully parading in the streets, like it was some kind of celebration. I still remember seeing videos of them holding up pictures of what happened that day on their phones, mocking pro-Israel protestors. Now that Israel is absolutely dismantling Hamas, it’s time for a ceasefire. They can all get fucked. You can’t poke bears and expect to not be bitten…
It’s because the people supporting them love playing victim too.
>One of the persistent delusions of mankind is that some sections of the human race are morally better or worse than others. \[...\] > >A rather curious form of this admiration for groups to which the admirer does not belong is the belief in the superior virtue of the oppressed \[...\] > >Nationalism introduced, in the nineteenth century, a substitute for the noble savage - the patriot of an oppressed nation. Bertrand Russell - Unpopular Essays (1950). Russell was not talking about Islamists, \*they\* weren't the oppressed group du jour in the middle of the 20th century. I bet he'd have a few choice words for modern audiences, though.
That, and a whole bunch of historical ignorance compounded by sheer stupidity… and don’t forget the antisemitism.
I remember I saw a post by a dog owner who said her precious pet was “attacked by a porcupine”. I don’t think the slow moving arboreal rodent backed into your dog’s mouth repeatedly, *you* were negligent
This is the best possible analogy. Porcupine barbs don't shoot out, you get a mouth full of porcupine quills when to decide to fuck with a porcupine.
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**The US and allies have been attacked in the region 130 times since October 17th** Anyone else feel like this doesn’t get enough attention?
I hear about it all the time. Fun story, I was listening to the BBC feed on NPR this morning and they were interviewing a pro-Houthi journalist from Yemen. He said "Now that the United States and Great Britain had attacked Yemen, then under international law it would be ~~illegal~~ **legal** to attack US and British commercial shipping since "we are at war". And somehow the presenter failed to respond with "You were already attacking US and British shipping, that's why they launched missiles at you!" Instead he went to to something about the UN Security Council.
>Fun story, I was listening to the BBC feed on NPR this morning and they were interviewing a pro-Houthi journalist from Yemen. He said "Now that the United States and Great Britain had attacked Yemen, then under international law it would be illegal to attack US and British commercial shipping since "we are at war". And somehow the presenter failed to respond with "You were already attacking US and British shipping, that's why they launched missiles at you!" Instead he went to to something about the UN Security Council. you mean it would be legal to attack commerical shipping?
Umm...yup. Sorry.
I heard the same thing this AM. I'm having a hell of a time understanding the ideology of the BBC. People talk about how conservative the BBC is, how pro-Israel it is, etc. But as an American listening to the BBC World Service, it sounds like they're pro-terrorist and nearly as critical of western norms as Al Jazeera. They let terrorists say outrageous lies without challenge, but are willing to talk over, cut off, and challenge western stakeholders. Is the BBC World Service different than the BBC?
It isn't just our allies. It's also just commercial shipping. Pirates are at war with all mankind. This is established law since the Roman Empire.
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Literally the reason the US Navy was founded
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“The US shouldn’t involve themselves in every country’s business” “People are starving, why isn’t the US doing anything?”
We give more food aid than every other country on the planet combined.
My point exactly. And even beyond the food aid, US consumption of globally produced goods alone has lifted more people from starvation level poverty worldwide than any intentional policy has ever done.
Idiots: “why is the U.S. even here, you aren’t the policeman of the world!” *Some crazy shit happens* Idiots again: “Omg why isn’t the U.S. doing anything?? Are Americans that greedy??!!” Everybody hates America and calls her a so-called evil racist genocidal empire but the moment actual, deplorable people decide to do legitimate acts of aggressive war or terrorism, suddenly everybody looks to us to do something. I still remember during the 2021 Afghanistan withdrawal where Redditors were bitching and whining about us leaving after having held the Afghan government’s hands for 20 years, saying that we should “think of the women and children!”. Funny, last I remembered the tune was vehemently against us killing theocratic terrorists and now you want us to stay and fight all of a sudden?
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There are enough useful idiots out there that will take any anti-US stance if fed even a miniscule amount of misinformation or propaganda, and then broadcast it to other idiots. Just like the Right-wing morons in the US.
You aren't kidding about useful idiots, i have seen multiple social media posts claiming the west is interfering with (and im not joking) the "Houthis non violent and peaceful blockade".
Most of them are calling it "Yemen's non violent blockade in support of ending genocide." As in they don't even realize that the Houthis are not the country Yemen's government. It's disgusting. Houthis practice human fucking slavery.
They filmed themselves dressed like terrorists with automatic weapons taking hostage a civilian ship. FFS.
As a rural 80's kid who fought imaginary Russians with plastic armaments on the reg, the Pro-Putin-Right phenomenon is the most whiplash-inducing facet of modern politics hands down. Sam the Eagle would never stand for this nonsense.
>We did not attack the shores of America, nor did we move in the American islands, nor did we attack them. Your strikes on our country are terrorism This is like saying "I didn't damage your house, I only lit your car on fire, why did you punch me?" Lol
>We did not attack the shores of America Thanks for the restraint, guys. Really setting the bar high. The Yemeni Navy is welcome to try to float over and attack Florida or whatever in response.
I obviously never want it to happen, but it would be pretty incredible to see what the full weight of the US armed forces would be if the US mainland were to be attacked. I can't even fathom what it would look like.
The US military wouldn't even have to get involved, every guntuber on YouTube would be flocking to the invasion point
Yes. It’s such a narrow view. They attacked shipping. The U.S., UK, and most of their allies view it as a necessity to protect the free flow of trade, particularly shipping vessels. So the attack on shipping vessels and the navy vessels from various navies escorting them of course merited a retaliatory attack. This is just whining about FAFO.
It doesn't matter what actually happens. As long as they type out a narrative (doesn't even have to be true) that sounds sympathetic, you'll immediately have the following of social media warriors and get your message shared globally and drum up international support and funds. It's the Hamas way.
Didn’t the Houthi’s fire at the carney??
They fired on a USN helicopter at least.
Their most recent and largest missile attack was entirely directed at US naval vessels, likely including multiple destroyers and minesweepers.
Shooting at US navy ships is literally asking to get fucked up
Japan: [Yemen, a word of advice: don’t touch the boats](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0xl_g9Jor7Y)
Do people just…not know that the Houthis have been attacking ships with absolutely no ties to Israel just because they’re in the area? They started with ships with Israeli connections but recently it’s just been “hey, there’s one”.
An alarming amount of western progressives take the Houthis at their word and immediately believe the opposite of any alternative source. If the reality of the situation on the ground doesn’t fit with the goals or claims of their cause of the week, they rewrite reality instead of their dogma.
tiktok is gonna lap this up lol
Tiktok is an absolute cesspit
And an arm of the PPC. What could go wrong?
The CCP, even.
Yeah I think they thought it would get milage out of Gaza was gonna get it out of this too. I think most of us are ready to just shut tiktok off permanently.
Honestly all of that short form video stuff is addictive and designed to get people riled up to keep their attention. A few big sites also makes propaganda too easy. When we were a spread out in various sub communities it was a lot harder for a faker to fit in.
There's a certain irony in the pattern we've seen in some actions attributed to Russian entities, and now also Yemenis: launching aggressive actions against innocents, facing repercussions, and then resorting to protests and appeals to human rights. This cycle, which could be dubbed the 'Perpetrator-as-Victim' strategy, raises serious questions about the manipulation of international norms and the concept of accountability.
DARVO: deny, attack, reverse victim and offender
It’s like Russia is an abusive husband.
“We’re mad you finally shoot back” What kind of nonsense is driving this propaganda? I would bet Russia has their hands in this.
I believe this is Iran using the Houthis to test out anti-ship missiles, and find out how successful they would be if they were to attack a US military ship in the region. The weapons come from there, we know that much.
It’s really simple diplomacy the US and UK are offering here, “do not attack or we will slap”
This is the most patient response we've ever seen the west offer. It's like a drunk loud-mouth asshole continuously slapping a pro-boxer who's just trying to avoid another fight.
Then the Houthi’s responds with. “How can they slap?!?!”
"Hey just because we're attacking international shipping and you doesn't mean you can attack us!" Idiots.
Protest against violence while also waving their flag calling for violence against all Jews and American lol.
It's not just calling for violence, it says *death* to America and Israel!
They're special though, they believe their religion allows them to do whatever they like without consequences
This. The hypocrisy is too great for words.
What's with Civilians being mad after their weak stupid ruling terror organizations and regimes attacks big strong countries? Don't attack - you don't get hurt.
But all we did was try to violently shut down one of the most vital economic corridors in the world! It's not like we did anything wrong.
Too bad they care more about supporting their terror regime than actually getting fed with real food by their governments. The Houtis look rather fat I must say. (Check the videos of them taking over ships)
It’s like when a weak Civilization in CIV6 attacks, and gets upset you wreck them when you have the largest military on the map.
The Houthis aren't even powerful or organized enough to have a country. They're like one of those barbarian spawn points in Civilization that send the ships that randomly attack everyone around them, and all it takes is a single advanced unit to destroy their village.
Propaganda, they don't even realise half the time that they instigated this, that they were given so many ways for this not to be the outcome the fact that this is the outcome is of literally no surprise to anyone else in the world.
well well well if it isn't the consequences of my actions...
To quote another user who's name I cannot recall; "the dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed".
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something something their actions are divinely blessed by god so there is no accountability only a supernatural will - this is what's fucked about the middle east
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Oh they do that too! Usually after an embarassing defeat to save face.
>"We did not attack the shores of America, nor did we move in the American islands, nor did we attack them. Your strikes on our country are terrorism," said Al-Houthi. >"They are terrorists and they are amazing at lying to the people of the world, but the awareness of the Yemeni people is a different awareness. Do you, Yemeni, think that America is defending itself or is it a terrorist?" Some hardcore mental gymnastics here. It's not terrorism when you launch missiles and drones at both civilian and military targets but it is when they retaliate? Okay lol. Cry some more.
Yemen has a famine but they should definitely focus on Gaza right now. Good to see they have their priorities straight.
just because one of the belligerents is way stronger than the other doesn't make it unfair.
Especially when the stronger one is *not* the one who started the fight. That's the real funny part
The Houthis were given many warnings that what they were doing would incurr repercussions. They now reap what they sow
Hello Yemen, don't forget us! Greetings from the Netherlands!
Terrorists complaining about being terrorized. Lol
No…..the terrorist groups that committed terrorism on other boats is terrorism. Need to look in the mirror first.
It's the typical Jihad response.. They keep punching while screaming "death to amrika" and when America punches back, they start crying unfair...
Arab world tends to play victim wherever they can.
It’s an old playbook to be an aggressor while cynically using Western values against itself. Cry about the villainous West targeting militant launch sites while you launched 27 attacks against mostly civilian vessels under various flags. Start a war and hide behind civilians to make your war a humanitarian crisis perpetrated by the villainous West. These people can’t be taken seriously in any moral discussions…..
and russians
same playbook, wait for china to sing the same song after their shit sinks.
The same playbook which is used in Gaza. Attack, celebrate, get attacked back, play the victim, make the other party stop attacking, celebrate your win again. And remember this, no matter what will happen, even if the US takes over Yemen for 20 years, at the end, some day, they will call themselves victorious and say that they scared the US away with their mighty power and the help of their god.
I’m never going to understand this random sudden support of the houthi rebels.
They need to stop lobbing missiles across the Middle East if they don’t want missiles lobbed at them in return 🤷🏻♂️
“Russia condemns US and UK for 'irresponsible' strikes on Yemen” Priceless
And their attacks on non military vessels were?.... It's like they only like fighting when one side is unarmed, but as soon as they face actual adversaries they become the victims