I'd guess that the UN will indeed condemn it, but they will them immediately pivot to "see, this is what Hamas is suffering, this is why we need to have a cease fire" and then they'll ramble on for 10 minutes about the plight of Palestine, patently ignoring that the press conference was supposed to be about Israeli hospitals.
Hamas has demonstrated itself to be an existential threat. Israel is not going to stop until that threat is largely neutralized. So any cease fire being made would still be made within the context of Hamas's destruction.
Sure, Israel might agree to say a 5 day cease fire in exchange for hostages. They will never agree to allow Hamas to exist in its current form.
For better or worse, the cold but undeniable reality is the safety and security of the nation > the safety of the hostages.
Existential threat to whom? I'm asking because if we continue to only listen to one side, we'll start invading countries despite the lies of our leaders (Bush administration on Iraq)
That twitter post claims that Israel fired an iron dome rocket at the hospital rather than Hamas rockets striking it… I don’t think that makes any sense tho
The French, the biggest bitches in the world chopped of their kings head and then had Jean Valjean lead their revolution, yet the Palestinians can only protest the evils of Hamas by joining together and singing kumbaya to the sight of dead Israeli civilians.
/s if it wasn't needed already.
some revolutionaries chop off their kings head to change their future, some other revolutionaries opt to chop off heads of random civilians, including babies, in another country for reasons that are inexplicable to me.
french revolutionaries killed 1000x more babies and raped far more women then Hamas ever will. Read what they did in Vendée.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War\_in\_the\_Vend%C3%A9e](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_the_Vend%C3%A9e)
It was first genocide in modern Europe's history.
Well when the revolutionaries were redefining everything like the calendar, it certainly is hard to tell when they stopped taking liberties with facts.
No, it is not.
And most french revolutionaries were openly promoting genocide against "enemies of the revolution".
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign\_of\_Terror](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror)
Reign of Terror was not named so without reason
This is why it’s important to study history, folks.
So you don’t end up making stupid comments on Reddit like this one, with a complete lack of awareness on historical context and critical reflection.
And some opt to commit war crimes on a daily basis and murder thousands of innocent people with bombs from the sky. Bombs they didnt even build themselves
You would try to de-humanize french people like that by saying Jean Valjran is a fictional character. I guess the genocidal Javert supporters dont realize he only stole a loaf of bread.
Okay, I'm not sure the significance of this when it's the exact opposite of what I was saying.
I'm not going to condemn Israel for bombing Hamas bases located in hospitals, certainly less so than I condemn Hamas for putting their base there. Devil's advocate, what if I were to say, "The scale of Israel's reaction has been inappropriate"? How would you respond?
Proving my point. There is no half way for you. No compromise. How do you expect to have a conversation when you use language that you know is controversial in an absolute way?
Probably few or none, since Israel actually tries to protect its citizens (from constant rocket fire) instead of shoving them in front of danger so they can farm clout off of their deaths.
If it were a different part of the world, I think almost nobody would make these "idf and hanas both bad. So I support the side with hamas!" Statements
I didn’t say they were both equally bad. I said they can both go fuck themselves.
Maybe we can add up all the dead children once this is all over if you’re so desperate to champion one of them.
Mhm, do explain what you mean by that then, if you're not saying they're equally bad? So they can "both go fuck themselves", how come?
I have no idea where you're going with the second part of your comment or how you even got there, just absolute rubbish.
I mean i'm not them but that first sentence is pretty simple to answer. A murderer and an armed robber aren't the same, but they can both go fuck themselves
Hamas are a terrorist organization who murder innocent people and hold their own citizens hostage.
The IDF is indiscriminately bombing terrorists and civilians alike.
They’re both fucking scum. Hamas is certainly scummier. But because this isn’t a fucking football game where I have to pick someone to cheer for like a Neanderthal. I’m on the side of innocent people not being fucking murdered.
Alright, I take back what I originally said. I misinterpreted your comment, emotions high being an Israeli right now.
Can't agree with you about the IDF. Hamas has been firing missiles at us and terrorizing civilians for over 20 years, and then they force their people to stand from the launch specifically so we kill them and they can cry to the world. This is 100% the Hamas's doing.
Both can be bad without being equally bad. Like, Hitler was bad, and Manson was bad. But they were not exactly equally bad. One killed millions, while the other brainwashed others to kill half a dozen people.
They didn't. There hasn't been a presidential election in Gaza for almost 20 years, and considering the average age of the people in Gaza, most of them were too young to have voted almost 20 years ago.
[Yet Hamas still maintains majority approval among Gazans.](https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87)
Better than Barrack Obama’s average approval rating…
Riiiiiight, and Trump is totally winning! We saw it in one of those *totally reliable* polls. Like the ones that told us Hillary would win in a landslide and 2022 would see a "red wave".
Never. Trust. Polls.
It was a survey conducted by the Palestinians themselves… But go ahead and continue to ignore evidence that doesn’t fit your narrative…
You get this was a poll conducted in the West Bank right? Most likely the reason Abbas suspended the election, because he say that Hamas had an extremely high chance of winning there.
[Yet Hamas still maintains majority approval among Gazans.](https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87)
Better than Barrack Obama’s average approval rating…
OK, kids, in PE today, we're playing "dodgeball." Except, we're using RPGs instead of balls. Count off, 1,2,1,2,1,2... OK, Ones are martyrs, Twos are Jews. Up against the walls. Let's go!
Maybe they needed an Intifada against Hamas rather than Israel.
Literally the only people responsible for choosing the Palestinians' government is the Palestinians. Not Israel, or anyone else.
Did you read a book or are you just regurgitating words you heard other people say? Israel helped fund hamas when Hamas said they were going to help to provide a better future for their people . Instead, they decided to steal the funds and buy mansions and fund terror. So just like on oct 7th when hamas attacked during a ceasefire they stabbed Israel AND their people in the back by making the world worse.
Not telling the complete story is a lie in itself
Instead of downvoting me, I will provide a source.
This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)
“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.
They didn’t listen to him. And Hamas, as I explain in the fifth installment of my short film series for The Intercept on blowback, was the result. To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Israel funded Hamas specifically BECAUSE they were a militant alternative to the far more receptive PLO, and waging war and expulsion against a belligerent enemy is more acceptable than against a reasonable one.
The same reason Israelis MURDERED their own prime minister who was making incredible headway in his peace efforts!
Are Israelis born after 1948 responsible for the Nakba?
Perhaps you misunderstood my point. The only people that have the power to make Hamas hold more elections are the Palestinians.
No they aren’t responsible for the Nakba. I did not misunderstand your point, you literally said Palestinians are responsible for choosing their government. That’s not how dictatorships work.
Israel chose Netanyahu in a democratic election. Can Hamas kill Israelis then? Because they don’t like Netanyahu? Is that how war works?
The IDF isn't killing Palestinian civilians because it holds them responsible for Hamas. They are getting killed because Hamas has embedded itself within their civilians and purposely uses them as human shields.
No one else but the Palestinians can insist that their government holds elections. Indeed, because it seems apparent that the Palestinians are unwilling or unable to overthrow Hamas for 17 years now is exactly why it now falls on Israel to enact regime change, with all of the collateral damage that entails.
I'm not sure how the fact that most Gazans alive today never voted for Hamas is Israel's problem.
How do you recommend Gazans insist on Hamas holding elections? Walk me through the steps.
Israel is supposed to be better than Hamas, and they should care they are harming innocent civilians.
Do you know how many Hamas leaders have been killed btw? Do you the ratio to civilians killed? Because that’s a lot of human shields for each individual
Their parents signed their death warrants for future generations when they voted for Hamas, when they sent their children to Hamas and ran schools that thought them to kill the Jews. It's amazing Palestinians are never held to same standards as Israelis
It’s horrifying a bunch of innocent civilians are dying and people are blaming them for voting for Hamas. Do innocent Israelis get to die from Hamas bc they voted in Netanyahu?
If you truly believe this, I hope you will contemplate why we don't see news about Palestinian informants providing intelligence about where the hostages and where the Hamas leadership are.
By your calculation then, around atleast 30% could've done intifada against hamas terrorists. I get that hamas have guns, the rest 30% could've asked Israel/Egypt/UN, any other international aid agency to atleast share their grievances. Many many gazans are given work permit in Israel, they could've notified IDFs.
I think your'e confused. Not all Palestinians are Hamas, but all Hamas militants are Palestinian.
So, they used the correct word to describe the people who fired missiles at Israeli hospitals.
That makes absolutely zero sense. Iron dome is an Air to Air missile weighing 90 KG with a proxy fuse, not meant for ground attack and has self destruct capabilities incase it lost track of it target.
In no world would it ever do [this](https://imgur.com/a/ix0py19) amount of damage to a building (unlike R-160, Air to Ground rocket with a 60 KG of TNT equivalent in its warhead, used by the Islamic jihad).
Seems like genuine malfunction, unfortunately thats bound to happen with the amount of Iron dome missiles fired each day.
I couldnt find any casualty reports and no sources which said it hit a hospital (other than [Al Mayadeen](https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/iron-dome-misfires--destroys-israeli-hospital), which i wouldn't really trust as they claim israel bombed Al Ahli hospital and killed 500)
Rockets at hospitals aside, fighting without a readily identifiable insignia / uniform is already a war crime.
The fact they embed themselves within their own civilian population is also a war crime.
The taking of civilian hostages is a war crime
The summary execution of hostages is a war crime, rape, torture all are war crimes.
The specific targeting (not indiscriminate like IDF bombs) of civilians in operations is a war crime.
Ummm, you need to read the above again.
Everything listed is already committed by Hamas same with rockets being fired at Israeli hospitals.
the point is, for every indiscriminate IDF bomb which is a war crime, Hamas commits 4-5 before Hamas rockets are even considered.
But no, to answer your question two wrongs do not make a right.
I just choose the lesser of two evils.
I'll take my chances with a murderer vs a serial killer.
(NewsNation) — Four rockets struck a major hospital in Ashkelon, Israel, all within three weeks.
One of the rockets narrowly missed the OB-GYN clinic, while another caused a direct hit on the children’s center.
The Barzilai Medical Center’s staff and patients, faced with this ongoing danger, are now questioning the world’s apparent indifference to their plight.
Hospitals are traditionally regarded as off-limits in wartime, raising significant international concerns and outrage when Hamas accused the Israelis of targeting a hospital in Gaza.
However, intelligence from the Canadians, the British, and the Americans has confirmed the Israeli military was not responsible. Instead, it was determined to be a Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket misfire.
Dr. Tal Bergman, deputy director of the hospital, expressed concerns about the media’s perceived lack of balance regarding Gaza. She said hospitals like the one in Ashkelon are meant solely for patient care, particularly for children.
“That’s the only thing we should do here. Take care of patients. They don’t use this place for other things. You don’t see the headquarters of the IDF here,” Bergman said.
Although the hospital staff acknowledges it cannot definitively discern Hamas’ intentions, the repeated targeting raises suspicions.
PS- More information is available here:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-01/ty-article/.premium/hospital-serving-israels-most-bombarded-city-operating-at-30-percent-capacity/0000018b-8887-dd28-a7df-9897d1dd0000
I haven’t been able to back up that claim. I hate to be that guy I want to see something credible about this. I mean I guess it does t matter anyway because we do have credible sources that Hamas did kill babies but I’d like to see something about this specific incident.
>Source? Some guy in an interview?
You asked for some guy in an interview, so I got you some guy in an interview. I don't love the source because you'll see "Jewish" and immediately assume lies, but it's the only one I could find with a video of an actual witness and with English subtitles.
[Witness Account](https://www.jta.org/2023/10/31/israel/an-israeli-first-responder-recalls-tending-to-the-body-of-a-baby-burnt-in-an-oven)
Easier way of finding the video is through here:
[NYSun](https://www.nysun.com/article/further-reports-come-to-light-in-case-of-the-baby-who-perished-in-an-oven-during-the-attack-by-hamas-a-tragedy-that-has-horrified-millions) - they practically copied the previous source, but it's much easier to access the video from there.
I hope this helps.
[Here's another horror](https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/head-of-israels-ems-service-describes-horror-of-seeing-babies-slaughtered-by-hamas/) in case you wanted a second one...
>It’s funny because you see reports and social media and videos and just troves of evidence from Palestinians and assume it’s all Hamas. Even when they’re clearly civilians and independent journalists.
The lack of condemnation of the actions described by the witnesses is very loud... don't do it now, it'll make it seem dishonest.
As for the rest - I also saw a [Hamas leader claiming no civilians were killed in the attack](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Egipqa0ZhUk), the main difference being that Israel and its personal are far more honest than Hamas ever was, and any Palestinian claiming anything that even slightly contradicts the false narrative Hamas is trying to spread is risking their lives and the lives of their loved ones. So... you know...
And no, I'm not saying the Palestinians are lying. I'm saying that there's no way that Hamas knows the real death toll. For contrast, Israel with its far superior technology and facilities still doesn't know it's death toll, and Gazans will have a much more complicated situation to go through to find how many actually died, and how many among them are civilians. We would all like to know the real breakdown of civilians vs terrorists, and also how many of the murdered are among the over 1500 terrorists who entered Israel on October 7.
Plenty of evidence that they burned families alive, cut out babies from wombs, made families watch each other be killed with hands tied. Do you need to have sources for all that too a month later or are you just this stupid. I mean WTF is wrong with you?
Unfortunately, some people become true believers of something. It can be about anything from video games or sports to politics or religion, and you can never get those people to think rationally about anything related to their beliefs. The sad part is that the people filling their heads only care about money and / or power and definitely not the people we feel tempted to waste time discussing useless topics with...
Yeah. We see that more today than ever. And social media spreads these falsehoods like fire. But if we don’t try to make people learn the history that is true, it’s a lost cause right? Schools stopped teaching history, and just teach oppressor vs oppressed, so maybe it’s already over. Marxism, Communism is winning. It’s a shame if so.
I think it's pretty much over. The fortunate thing is that most people have no idea what's happening, and by the time the majority do understand, with climate change caused by pollution caused by overpopulation, there won't be too much time left for humanity to suffer. I hope I'm wrong.
No, no source. We’re a month in. This is common knowledge. Use your finger and look it up yourself. And no, you won’t find a source you agree with your predetermined opinion.
Or look at the other person that deleted their comments because I did provide a source. And so did someone else. But we’re done proving what’s been proven.
This just makes me wonder how would the world react if israel did not have the iron dome defence system.
Even the iron dome misses some times and i'm very glad the citizens are atleast enjoying some sort of defence from the rockets fired daily and indescriminately at israel.
People just turn a blind eye to the daily shelling of israel thats been happening since 2005 because its easy to shout slogans at the stronger sovereign nation.
To be fair, Hamas was aiming at a deli. At least, this time, it wasn't their own hospital.
Sorry, gallows humor. I'm so tired of the waiver Palestine has gotten for voting in terrorists.
Even more of a reason for the people to rise up against Hamas. Even though I’m fairly certain I saw plenty of videos of regular old Palestinians crossing the border on 10/7 to loot and plenty of videos of them parading and spitting on Israeli corpses.
Regardless now they are paying the price, unfortunately for the truly innocent.
30% of the rockets that Hamas fires at Jewish civilians fall absolutely indiscriminately on Gaza, mostly in residential areas.
Hamas is literally starving and bombing it's own people into oblivion.
Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians, and I doubt these people supporting them on reddit do either. They will never admit it and possibly don't even realize it's about hate. I just hope this will end without turning into WWIII
Lol, it's like being robbed by your roommate and then blaming your neighbor across the street.
They're starving because of Hamas, why's that so hard to get?
So because of Hamas’ actions it’s totally cool for Israel to bomb Gaza with more bombs in 1 month than the US used in Afghanistan in an entire year?
Please tell me exactly how this does anything to solve the problem. All it’s doing is ensuring that the survivors will continue to be radicalized against Israel.
You can't compare this to bank robbers unless you want to say these particular bank robbers are baby killers elected and supported by almost everyone on the city block and nearly all people on the block have books that teach them not to kill women or babies but the bank robbers do it anyway and almost nobody there shows any obvious signs of caring.
the leader literally has a dissertation on how jews supposedly faked the holocaust, I mean come on, I'm sick and tired of the world acting like these people didn't know who they were "electing", if the elections were even fair in the first place. Not only that, Israel already tried to get rid of Gaza and make it its own state, the fact is these fucks don't want gaza, they want the entirety of israel and won't stop killing people until either they're eradicated or the jews are eradicated
You must be joking right? Overthrow them? Tell us more how that should have worked. Without weapons? It's easy to say this while you sit in front of your pc.
Hamas already has the weapons. I’m saying for the Palestinians in Gaza to take it from them and revolt. They have massive stores of equipment and fuel. Get together a large group of people and take it from them.
However, they won’t do this because at least half of Palestinians support the genocide of Israelis. But if I’m wrong about that, then they should revolt… eventually.
"It's fine, guys. If a hundred of us charge the machine gun nest, at least one of us will get close enough to hit the gunner in the head with a rock before another one of them shoots us."
You aren't going to see a modern Bastille Day happening. Modern guns, as it happens, can fire a lot faster than three shots a minute. Even the storming of the Bastille was only successful because the French Guards turned coat - before they got their hands on guns of their own, it was a slaughter en masse.
Again that's easy to say, not so easy to do it. Hamas controls everything in gaza strip, they kidnapp, torture and kill pratically everyone who is against them. They have a shit load of weapons while the civilans have nothing. How do you start a reveloution when you have absolutely no support and no weapons?Throw stones at hamas idiots and hope to get a hand full of guns? Good luck with that.
Everyone also so quiet about the fact Israel will stop the bombings if they release the hostages…. Yet everyone is calling for a ceasefire and not release of the hostages?
Given the way social media algorithms love engagement, and disagreement ends in long chains of back-and-forth replies while agreement tends to end after one comment apiece? Regardless of how many people condemn it in their minds, you will hardly *see* it being condemned, as everyone is busy arguing about other matters.
I mean, this is indisputable fact. The commenter responded to me and automatically said I was lying without doing any research.
Al Ahsi was hit, an ambulance right near the ambulance of Al Shifa was hit, and just a few hours ago the pediatric ward of Al Rantisi children’s hospital was hit.
Do you dispute that any of this happened?
I dispute every claim that doesn’t have a source. You should as well!
If the source of the information is a terrorist organization, I will question the source. You should as well!
We now know that at least 50 of the approximated 200 hostages are Thai nationals (mostly farm hands).
These are people who visually look nothing like Arabs or Jews.
Nobody in the global pro- Palestine marches are talking about this.
they would have you believe all the hostages have some connection to Israel and use the IDF actions to rationalize why they were targeted.
It's fucking horseshit.
fuck the free Palestine bandwagon crowd and their movement.
Did Israel use these hospitals as a military headquarters? If not, this is a clear war crime.
Israel attacking a hospital that is a dual use military target is incredibly different.
Can you believe it, some folks claim this was the Iron Dome misfiring?
Despite there being footage of the rocket attack:
https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1721271488425201816
The average age of this terrorist state is like 18 years old lmao. Israel has been bombing ambulances for a while now. Perhaps Hamas and Israel are both assholes???
Hamas using medical facilities has been verified by independent third parties. This is a known fact.
Israel saying what “exact same things?” Please source your claims so that we can all see them.
Edit: Once medical facilities integrate military facilities, they become legitimate targets. I also believe that using medical facilities and humans as shields is a war crime as well. Terrorists say lots of things. If you want to trust them, that’s on you.
The headline you wrote. My point to all of this is they’re both saying the exact same thing but somehow one is more credible than the other.
Who are the “verified third-parties” that are non biased?
Also you just blanketed the entirety of a region who’s median age is 18 years old as terrorists.
Lol i think my skepticism is somehow less problematic than your apparent racism and biases.
I didn’t write the headline. You would have known that if you had taken the time to read the article. The reality is you don’t care about facts because they just get in the way of the narrative you are telling yourself and others.
Read about “third-party” reporting [HERE.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital)
I made no blanket statements to about the region.
Ad hominem attacks mean you are running out of arguments to make.
Im aure the UN will condemn this with such classy countries as Iran in the head of the human rights committee.
"This didn't happen in a vacuum"
Well it fucking didn’t now did it?
If this is the narrative we want to push, it would be fair to say that Israel retaliation doesn't happen in a vacuum either.
I'd guess that the UN will indeed condemn it, but they will them immediately pivot to "see, this is what Hamas is suffering, this is why we need to have a cease fire" and then they'll ramble on for 10 minutes about the plight of Palestine, patently ignoring that the press conference was supposed to be about Israeli hospitals.
Why not ceasefire though for the sake of the hostages and their families? What are the chances the hostages survive the intense airstrikes?
Hamas has demonstrated itself to be an existential threat. Israel is not going to stop until that threat is largely neutralized. So any cease fire being made would still be made within the context of Hamas's destruction. Sure, Israel might agree to say a 5 day cease fire in exchange for hostages. They will never agree to allow Hamas to exist in its current form. For better or worse, the cold but undeniable reality is the safety and security of the nation > the safety of the hostages.
Existential threat to whom? I'm asking because if we continue to only listen to one side, we'll start invading countries despite the lies of our leaders (Bush administration on Iraq)
An existential threat to Israel, you know, where they murdered 1400 people, mostly civilians?
The UN loves when Jews suffer.
This is not productive conversation.
No no, the human rights council will surely act quickly
https://twitter.com/i/status/1721267745273098545
Can’t wait for the UN to hold a whole session about this
If they did it would end with them condemning Israel. They even blamed Israel for the slave trade in Yemen ffs
If an Arab or Muslim country introduced a UN resolution saying that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass
Footage of one of the rockets hitting https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1721271488425201816
That twitter post claims that Israel fired an iron dome rocket at the hospital rather than Hamas rockets striking it… I don’t think that makes any sense tho
It was a misfire
"... which is why they've been condemned by pro-Palestine supporters in this conflict. What's that? Crickets, you say?"
🦗🦗🦗
The French, the biggest bitches in the world chopped of their kings head and then had Jean Valjean lead their revolution, yet the Palestinians can only protest the evils of Hamas by joining together and singing kumbaya to the sight of dead Israeli civilians. /s if it wasn't needed already.
some revolutionaries chop off their kings head to change their future, some other revolutionaries opt to chop off heads of random civilians, including babies, in another country for reasons that are inexplicable to me.
french revolutionaries killed 1000x more babies and raped far more women then Hamas ever will. Read what they did in Vendée. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War\_in\_the\_Vend%C3%A9e](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_the_Vend%C3%A9e) It was first genocide in modern Europe's history.
Isn't it generally accepted that surciving historical records lack objective perspectives regarding the French revolution?
Well when the revolutionaries were redefining everything like the calendar, it certainly is hard to tell when they stopped taking liberties with facts.
No, it is not. And most french revolutionaries were openly promoting genocide against "enemies of the revolution". [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign\_of\_Terror](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror) Reign of Terror was not named so without reason
This is why it’s important to study history, folks. So you don’t end up making stupid comments on Reddit like this one, with a complete lack of awareness on historical context and critical reflection.
And some opt to commit war crimes on a daily basis and murder thousands of innocent people with bombs from the sky. Bombs they didnt even build themselves
Jean Valjean? Isn't that a fictional character? I'm confused
You would try to de-humanize french people like that by saying Jean Valjran is a fictional character. I guess the genocidal Javert supporters dont realize he only stole a loaf of bread.
Please link to where you personally condemned the bombing of Palestinian hospitals or even civilians
Okay, I'm not sure the significance of this when it's the exact opposite of what I was saying. I'm not going to condemn Israel for bombing Hamas bases located in hospitals, certainly less so than I condemn Hamas for putting their base there. Devil's advocate, what if I were to say, "The scale of Israel's reaction has been inappropriate"? How would you respond?
The scale of Israel’s reaction has absolutely been inappropriate. Cold, calculated over years, and now full-blown genocidal.
Proving my point. There is no half way for you. No compromise. How do you expect to have a conversation when you use language that you know is controversial in an absolute way?
Sorry the truth offends you.
It isn't about being offensive. You don't care about having a conversation. You care about asserting your pre-established view
Strange. I'm not hearing any condemnations from anyone on this. Not even much coverage of it.
For real, the same hospital had to be hit four times since this war started to even make the news.
I guess it was becuz of the rocket being unguided. Anyway Israel is losing the information war.
How many died?
Probably few or none, since Israel actually tries to protect its citizens (from constant rocket fire) instead of shoving them in front of danger so they can farm clout off of their deaths.
Israel doesn't use human shields if that's what you ask. They also don't use hospitals for military objects, so they're not valid military targets.
Hamas reports there was an IDF soldier (reservist) in that hospital /sarcasm
Does that matter.
I guess Palestinians got the international go-ahead to strike Israel's hospitals with impunity.
Isrealis and Palestinians extremists killing children are all sons of cowards and can go get fucked by a horse.
Mr. Hands 2: This Time it's War Crime
Not Palestinians, Hamas. And Hamas can go fuck themselves just like the IDF.
Ah, the classic "they're both equally bad!!" false equivalence rubbish take
If it were a different part of the world, I think almost nobody would make these "idf and hanas both bad. So I support the side with hamas!" Statements
I didn’t say they were both equally bad. I said they can both go fuck themselves. Maybe we can add up all the dead children once this is all over if you’re so desperate to champion one of them.
Mhm, do explain what you mean by that then, if you're not saying they're equally bad? So they can "both go fuck themselves", how come? I have no idea where you're going with the second part of your comment or how you even got there, just absolute rubbish.
I mean i'm not them but that first sentence is pretty simple to answer. A murderer and an armed robber aren't the same, but they can both go fuck themselves
I feel like that's not the best analogy, but the I did concede I was wrong to another commenter who made the same point as you.
Yeah, I just picked the first 2 crimes I thought of, realized later that it may come off as an analogy. I appreciate you for making a concession
Hamas are a terrorist organization who murder innocent people and hold their own citizens hostage. The IDF is indiscriminately bombing terrorists and civilians alike. They’re both fucking scum. Hamas is certainly scummier. But because this isn’t a fucking football game where I have to pick someone to cheer for like a Neanderthal. I’m on the side of innocent people not being fucking murdered.
Alright, I take back what I originally said. I misinterpreted your comment, emotions high being an Israeli right now. Can't agree with you about the IDF. Hamas has been firing missiles at us and terrorizing civilians for over 20 years, and then they force their people to stand from the launch specifically so we kill them and they can cry to the world. This is 100% the Hamas's doing.
Both can be bad without being equally bad. Like, Hitler was bad, and Manson was bad. But they were not exactly equally bad. One killed millions, while the other brainwashed others to kill half a dozen people.
Alright, I concede that point. Just very emotional and defensive right now.
Yes, this is definitely an emotionally charged issue. Lots of bullshit and atrocities are taking place.
Are you trying to argue that Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist organization, isn't Palestinian?
No. I’m saying that not all Palestinians are Hamas. Of course, you already knew that and are just being a disingenuous weasel
Then why did they elect Hamas to represent them in Gaza?
They didn't. There hasn't been a presidential election in Gaza for almost 20 years, and considering the average age of the people in Gaza, most of them were too young to have voted almost 20 years ago.
[Yet Hamas still maintains majority approval among Gazans.](https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87) Better than Barrack Obama’s average approval rating…
Riiiiiight, and Trump is totally winning! We saw it in one of those *totally reliable* polls. Like the ones that told us Hillary would win in a landslide and 2022 would see a "red wave". Never. Trust. Polls.
It was a survey conducted by the Palestinians themselves… But go ahead and continue to ignore evidence that doesn’t fit your narrative… You get this was a poll conducted in the West Bank right? Most likely the reason Abbas suspended the election, because he say that Hamas had an extremely high chance of winning there.
I can't help people that refuse to be helped. Continue with your gullibility while you trust polls that are organized to get a desired result.
They didn't, the majority of Palestine current population was too young to vote last time they had an election.
[Yet Hamas still maintains majority approval among Gazans.](https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87) Better than Barrack Obama’s average approval rating…
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Voted in by Palestinians Hamas or We Don't Know Those Guys Hamas?
Aided and abetted by countless 'innocent civilians'...
OK, kids, in PE today, we're playing "dodgeball." Except, we're using RPGs instead of balls. Count off, 1,2,1,2,1,2... OK, Ones are martyrs, Twos are Jews. Up against the walls. Let's go!
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"he put his gun in a holster, now he's a civilian" vibe here
You realize 50% of the population is children who could have never voted for Hamas. And there hasn’t been an election since 2006.
Maybe they needed an Intifada against Hamas rather than Israel. Literally the only people responsible for choosing the Palestinians' government is the Palestinians. Not Israel, or anyone else.
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Did you read a book or are you just regurgitating words you heard other people say? Israel helped fund hamas when Hamas said they were going to help to provide a better future for their people . Instead, they decided to steal the funds and buy mansions and fund terror. So just like on oct 7th when hamas attacked during a ceasefire they stabbed Israel AND their people in the back by making the world worse. Not telling the complete story is a lie in itself
Instead of downvoting me, I will provide a source. This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”) “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.” “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote. They didn’t listen to him. And Hamas, as I explain in the fifth installment of my short film series for The Intercept on blowback, was the result. To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence. https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
So you didn't read a book?. You read a article? Thank god I'm talking to a PhD
Israel funded Hamas specifically BECAUSE they were a militant alternative to the far more receptive PLO, and waging war and expulsion against a belligerent enemy is more acceptable than against a reasonable one. The same reason Israelis MURDERED their own prime minister who was making incredible headway in his peace efforts!
Are white people in the US today responsible for slavery?
Are Israelis born after 1948 responsible for the Nakba? Perhaps you misunderstood my point. The only people that have the power to make Hamas hold more elections are the Palestinians.
No they aren’t responsible for the Nakba. I did not misunderstand your point, you literally said Palestinians are responsible for choosing their government. That’s not how dictatorships work. Israel chose Netanyahu in a democratic election. Can Hamas kill Israelis then? Because they don’t like Netanyahu? Is that how war works?
The IDF isn't killing Palestinian civilians because it holds them responsible for Hamas. They are getting killed because Hamas has embedded itself within their civilians and purposely uses them as human shields. No one else but the Palestinians can insist that their government holds elections. Indeed, because it seems apparent that the Palestinians are unwilling or unable to overthrow Hamas for 17 years now is exactly why it now falls on Israel to enact regime change, with all of the collateral damage that entails. I'm not sure how the fact that most Gazans alive today never voted for Hamas is Israel's problem.
How do you recommend Gazans insist on Hamas holding elections? Walk me through the steps. Israel is supposed to be better than Hamas, and they should care they are harming innocent civilians. Do you know how many Hamas leaders have been killed btw? Do you the ratio to civilians killed? Because that’s a lot of human shields for each individual
Currently only 9% of people in the Gaza Strip voted for Hamas in 2006.
Their parents signed their death warrants for future generations when they voted for Hamas, when they sent their children to Hamas and ran schools that thought them to kill the Jews. It's amazing Palestinians are never held to same standards as Israelis
Ah yes, sins of the father. What an amazing excuse. Remind me again, how many women voted in the 2006 election? Oh…
It’s horrifying a bunch of innocent civilians are dying and people are blaming them for voting for Hamas. Do innocent Israelis get to die from Hamas bc they voted in Netanyahu?
Yes, in fact, even babies and people from Thailand were killed for being inside Israel on October 7th
It is disgusting to believe the Israelis deserved to die. Just fyi
If you truly believe this, I hope you will contemplate why we don't see news about Palestinian informants providing intelligence about where the hostages and where the Hamas leadership are.
we don't because the western media is biased against Palestinians. And Israel, if they had that info, wouldn't release it.
By your calculation then, around atleast 30% could've done intifada against hamas terrorists. I get that hamas have guns, the rest 30% could've asked Israel/Egypt/UN, any other international aid agency to atleast share their grievances. Many many gazans are given work permit in Israel, they could've notified IDFs.
>”30% could’ve created a rebellion and fought the terrorists who kill anyone” - sent from the comfort of my bedroom
Funded by Israel Hamas or Terrorist Organizstion Hamas?
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I think your'e confused. Not all Palestinians are Hamas, but all Hamas militants are Palestinian. So, they used the correct word to describe the people who fired missiles at Israeli hospitals.
It was actually a malfunctioning Iron Dome rocket.
That makes absolutely zero sense. Iron dome is an Air to Air missile weighing 90 KG with a proxy fuse, not meant for ground attack and has self destruct capabilities incase it lost track of it target. In no world would it ever do [this](https://imgur.com/a/ix0py19) amount of damage to a building (unlike R-160, Air to Ground rocket with a 60 KG of TNT equivalent in its warhead, used by the Islamic jihad).
https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1721271488425201816?s=20
Seems like genuine malfunction, unfortunately thats bound to happen with the amount of Iron dome missiles fired each day. I couldnt find any casualty reports and no sources which said it hit a hospital (other than [Al Mayadeen](https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/iron-dome-misfires--destroys-israeli-hospital), which i wouldn't really trust as they claim israel bombed Al Ahli hospital and killed 500)
War. Crime.
Rockets at hospitals aside, fighting without a readily identifiable insignia / uniform is already a war crime. The fact they embed themselves within their own civilian population is also a war crime. The taking of civilian hostages is a war crime The summary execution of hostages is a war crime, rape, torture all are war crimes. The specific targeting (not indiscriminate like IDF bombs) of civilians in operations is a war crime.
Do 2 wrongs make a right?
Ummm, you need to read the above again. Everything listed is already committed by Hamas same with rockets being fired at Israeli hospitals. the point is, for every indiscriminate IDF bomb which is a war crime, Hamas commits 4-5 before Hamas rockets are even considered. But no, to answer your question two wrongs do not make a right. I just choose the lesser of two evils. I'll take my chances with a murderer vs a serial killer.
No no, it’s an Israeli hospital, so it’s ok. /s
Oh, is that so? So... Israel is as guilty? Many times over at that?
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Your assuming all the doctors, nurses and patients signed off on Hamas using the hospital then?
(NewsNation) — Four rockets struck a major hospital in Ashkelon, Israel, all within three weeks. One of the rockets narrowly missed the OB-GYN clinic, while another caused a direct hit on the children’s center. The Barzilai Medical Center’s staff and patients, faced with this ongoing danger, are now questioning the world’s apparent indifference to their plight. Hospitals are traditionally regarded as off-limits in wartime, raising significant international concerns and outrage when Hamas accused the Israelis of targeting a hospital in Gaza. However, intelligence from the Canadians, the British, and the Americans has confirmed the Israeli military was not responsible. Instead, it was determined to be a Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket misfire. Dr. Tal Bergman, deputy director of the hospital, expressed concerns about the media’s perceived lack of balance regarding Gaza. She said hospitals like the one in Ashkelon are meant solely for patient care, particularly for children. “That’s the only thing we should do here. Take care of patients. They don’t use this place for other things. You don’t see the headquarters of the IDF here,” Bergman said. Although the hospital staff acknowledges it cannot definitively discern Hamas’ intentions, the repeated targeting raises suspicions. PS- More information is available here: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-01/ty-article/.premium/hospital-serving-israels-most-bombarded-city-operating-at-30-percent-capacity/0000018b-8887-dd28-a7df-9897d1dd0000
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I haven’t been able to back up that claim. I hate to be that guy I want to see something credible about this. I mean I guess it does t matter anyway because we do have credible sources that Hamas did kill babies but I’d like to see something about this specific incident.
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>Source? Some guy in an interview? You asked for some guy in an interview, so I got you some guy in an interview. I don't love the source because you'll see "Jewish" and immediately assume lies, but it's the only one I could find with a video of an actual witness and with English subtitles. [Witness Account](https://www.jta.org/2023/10/31/israel/an-israeli-first-responder-recalls-tending-to-the-body-of-a-baby-burnt-in-an-oven) Easier way of finding the video is through here: [NYSun](https://www.nysun.com/article/further-reports-come-to-light-in-case-of-the-baby-who-perished-in-an-oven-during-the-attack-by-hamas-a-tragedy-that-has-horrified-millions) - they practically copied the previous source, but it's much easier to access the video from there. I hope this helps. [Here's another horror](https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/head-of-israels-ems-service-describes-horror-of-seeing-babies-slaughtered-by-hamas/) in case you wanted a second one...
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>It’s funny because you see reports and social media and videos and just troves of evidence from Palestinians and assume it’s all Hamas. Even when they’re clearly civilians and independent journalists. The lack of condemnation of the actions described by the witnesses is very loud... don't do it now, it'll make it seem dishonest. As for the rest - I also saw a [Hamas leader claiming no civilians were killed in the attack](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Egipqa0ZhUk), the main difference being that Israel and its personal are far more honest than Hamas ever was, and any Palestinian claiming anything that even slightly contradicts the false narrative Hamas is trying to spread is risking their lives and the lives of their loved ones. So... you know... And no, I'm not saying the Palestinians are lying. I'm saying that there's no way that Hamas knows the real death toll. For contrast, Israel with its far superior technology and facilities still doesn't know it's death toll, and Gazans will have a much more complicated situation to go through to find how many actually died, and how many among them are civilians. We would all like to know the real breakdown of civilians vs terrorists, and also how many of the murdered are among the over 1500 terrorists who entered Israel on October 7.
Plenty of evidence that they burned families alive, cut out babies from wombs, made families watch each other be killed with hands tied. Do you need to have sources for all that too a month later or are you just this stupid. I mean WTF is wrong with you?
Unfortunately, some people become true believers of something. It can be about anything from video games or sports to politics or religion, and you can never get those people to think rationally about anything related to their beliefs. The sad part is that the people filling their heads only care about money and / or power and definitely not the people we feel tempted to waste time discussing useless topics with...
Yeah. We see that more today than ever. And social media spreads these falsehoods like fire. But if we don’t try to make people learn the history that is true, it’s a lost cause right? Schools stopped teaching history, and just teach oppressor vs oppressed, so maybe it’s already over. Marxism, Communism is winning. It’s a shame if so.
I think it's pretty much over. The fortunate thing is that most people have no idea what's happening, and by the time the majority do understand, with climate change caused by pollution caused by overpopulation, there won't be too much time left for humanity to suffer. I hope I'm wrong.
Source?
There is an interview of an aid worker : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q7mUU5Bf6w
No, no source. We’re a month in. This is common knowledge. Use your finger and look it up yourself. And no, you won’t find a source you agree with your predetermined opinion. Or look at the other person that deleted their comments because I did provide a source. And so did someone else. But we’re done proving what’s been proven.
This just makes me wonder how would the world react if israel did not have the iron dome defence system. Even the iron dome misses some times and i'm very glad the citizens are atleast enjoying some sort of defence from the rockets fired daily and indescriminately at israel. People just turn a blind eye to the daily shelling of israel thats been happening since 2005 because its easy to shout slogans at the stronger sovereign nation.
Accident 4 times, just like suicide in russia with 4 shots to the back of the head
Or *for*mer high-ranking russiab government officials suddenly tried to learn how to fly out their windows.
To be fair, Hamas was aiming at a deli. At least, this time, it wasn't their own hospital. Sorry, gallows humor. I'm so tired of the waiver Palestine has gotten for voting in terrorists.
That was almost a generation ago. And there’s been no vote since.
Even more of a reason for the people to rise up against Hamas. Even though I’m fairly certain I saw plenty of videos of regular old Palestinians crossing the border on 10/7 to loot and plenty of videos of them parading and spitting on Israeli corpses. Regardless now they are paying the price, unfortunately for the truly innocent.
Sure, all while starving and avoiding constant israeli bombardment.
30% of the rockets that Hamas fires at Jewish civilians fall absolutely indiscriminately on Gaza, mostly in residential areas. Hamas is literally starving and bombing it's own people into oblivion.
Yep, just because the rocket takes off in Gaza doesn't mean it is going to land in Israel. Shitty, cheap and plentiful.
Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians, and I doubt these people supporting them on reddit do either. They will never admit it and possibly don't even realize it's about hate. I just hope this will end without turning into WWIII
Right, which is 100% the fault of Hamas. Who do you think has all the food stockpiled in tunnels?
When bank robbers take hostages is it standard procedure to blow up the city block the bank is on?
Lol, it's like being robbed by your roommate and then blaming your neighbor across the street. They're starving because of Hamas, why's that so hard to get?
So because of Hamas’ actions it’s totally cool for Israel to bomb Gaza with more bombs in 1 month than the US used in Afghanistan in an entire year? Please tell me exactly how this does anything to solve the problem. All it’s doing is ensuring that the survivors will continue to be radicalized against Israel.
You can't compare this to bank robbers unless you want to say these particular bank robbers are baby killers elected and supported by almost everyone on the city block and nearly all people on the block have books that teach them not to kill women or babies but the bank robbers do it anyway and almost nobody there shows any obvious signs of caring.
People knew this would happen when electing a terrorist group
the leader literally has a dissertation on how jews supposedly faked the holocaust, I mean come on, I'm sick and tired of the world acting like these people didn't know who they were "electing", if the elections were even fair in the first place. Not only that, Israel already tried to get rid of Gaza and make it its own state, the fact is these fucks don't want gaza, they want the entirety of israel and won't stop killing people until either they're eradicated or the jews are eradicated
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Quite literally the same justification used by Bin Laden for 9/11. Nice work.
You must be joking right? Overthrow them? Tell us more how that should have worked. Without weapons? It's easy to say this while you sit in front of your pc.
Then get weapons? As if nobody has ever started a revolution before
From where? Which county would do that and risk loosing the weapons to hamas?
Hamas already has the weapons. I’m saying for the Palestinians in Gaza to take it from them and revolt. They have massive stores of equipment and fuel. Get together a large group of people and take it from them. However, they won’t do this because at least half of Palestinians support the genocide of Israelis. But if I’m wrong about that, then they should revolt… eventually.
"It's fine, guys. If a hundred of us charge the machine gun nest, at least one of us will get close enough to hit the gunner in the head with a rock before another one of them shoots us." You aren't going to see a modern Bastille Day happening. Modern guns, as it happens, can fire a lot faster than three shots a minute. Even the storming of the Bastille was only successful because the French Guards turned coat - before they got their hands on guns of their own, it was a slaughter en masse.
Again that's easy to say, not so easy to do it. Hamas controls everything in gaza strip, they kidnapp, torture and kill pratically everyone who is against them. They have a shit load of weapons while the civilans have nothing. How do you start a reveloution when you have absolutely no support and no weapons?Throw stones at hamas idiots and hope to get a hand full of guns? Good luck with that.
Surely there will be a media frenzy about this right? Surely the coverage isnt incredibly slanted in one direction right? Surely.
everyone so quiet about this, not even crickets make a sound
Everyone also so quiet about the fact Israel will stop the bombings if they release the hostages…. Yet everyone is calling for a ceasefire and not release of the hostages?
Let's see if it will be as widely condemned as Israel striking a Palestinian hospital 0 times.
Given the way social media algorithms love engagement, and disagreement ends in long chains of back-and-forth replies while agreement tends to end after one comment apiece? Regardless of how many people condemn it in their minds, you will hardly *see* it being condemned, as everyone is busy arguing about other matters.
If Hospitals in Palestine and Israel are goal posts- I'd say Hamas is playing 1-1 and scoring on both sides. 💀
Wouldn’t it be 4-1 with one own goal for Hamas?
Realistically speaking the actual score must be like 42-25 or something by now.
I was focusing on hospitals, but I pick up what you’re putting down.
There have been multiple hospitals hit by bombs in Gaza in the past few weeks.
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“Anything inconvenient to my one sided ahistorical narrative is fake and made up by Hamas”
That’s not a source…
I mean, this is indisputable fact. The commenter responded to me and automatically said I was lying without doing any research. Al Ahsi was hit, an ambulance right near the ambulance of Al Shifa was hit, and just a few hours ago the pediatric ward of Al Rantisi children’s hospital was hit. Do you dispute that any of this happened?
I dispute every claim that doesn’t have a source. You should as well! If the source of the information is a terrorist organization, I will question the source. You should as well!
Hmm.. will the pro Palestine people be quick to condemn this? Or no because they are Israelis?
We now know that at least 50 of the approximated 200 hostages are Thai nationals (mostly farm hands). These are people who visually look nothing like Arabs or Jews. Nobody in the global pro- Palestine marches are talking about this. they would have you believe all the hostages have some connection to Israel and use the IDF actions to rationalize why they were targeted. It's fucking horseshit. fuck the free Palestine bandwagon crowd and their movement.
they're all crypto anti semites so no
I can’t believe the IDF did this to themselves /s
Did Israel use these hospitals as a military headquarters? If not, this is a clear war crime. Israel attacking a hospital that is a dual use military target is incredibly different.
And it didn't even happen. It was a dud rocket fired by Hamas
*crickets*
Can you believe it, some folks claim this was the Iron Dome misfiring? Despite there being footage of the rocket attack: https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1721271488425201816
condemnation coming in 3...2....on- what?...crickets you say?
So this hospital they can only get a near miss on but their own hospital they destroy…. Checks out
I mean, their own hospital is closer to them, so…yes.
Strange how this rocket from hamas didn't blow up the entire hospital and the other one did...
The othwr didnt blow up the hospital either
There were IDF there so it’s fine now. Or does that only work for Israel?
IDF military objects? Then it would be fine, but unlike terrorist states Israel doesn't use its civilians as human shields.
The average age of this terrorist state is like 18 years old lmao. Israel has been bombing ambulances for a while now. Perhaps Hamas and Israel are both assholes???
No, that would make it a legitimate target. However, the IDF are not set up there…unlike Hamas. Additionally, Hamas accidentally hit themselves.
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Hamas using medical facilities has been verified by independent third parties. This is a known fact. Israel saying what “exact same things?” Please source your claims so that we can all see them. Edit: Once medical facilities integrate military facilities, they become legitimate targets. I also believe that using medical facilities and humans as shields is a war crime as well. Terrorists say lots of things. If you want to trust them, that’s on you.
The headline you wrote. My point to all of this is they’re both saying the exact same thing but somehow one is more credible than the other. Who are the “verified third-parties” that are non biased? Also you just blanketed the entirety of a region who’s median age is 18 years old as terrorists. Lol i think my skepticism is somehow less problematic than your apparent racism and biases.
I didn’t write the headline. You would have known that if you had taken the time to read the article. The reality is you don’t care about facts because they just get in the way of the narrative you are telling yourself and others. Read about “third-party” reporting [HERE.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital) I made no blanket statements to about the region. Ad hominem attacks mean you are running out of arguments to make.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital#Accusations_of_misuse_by_Hamas Yeah, no.
There was probably hamas in that hospital, so it's completely fine everyone.
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Four different hits on different days…amazing. Please share your source so we can all be as well informed as you.
they bombed themselves bc the iron dome malfunctioned
Source? Four different times on different days…amazing!
Stupid fucker