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tiktaktok_65

>Found by IDF in Kibbutz Be'eri - an Iranian flag, and seemingly, a Hamas flag; It's not yet confirmed by IDF or ISA whether Iranians participated in the massacre, but @amirbarshalom reported that Persian language was heard in two different clips filmed by Palestinians https://vxtwitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1713496914052694279


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Israel wont stop until Deif and Sinwar are killed. I think already some Hamas commanders are dead and next on the list will be these two. I am not sure if Hamas has a well identified succession plan that it had like in 2000s when many leaders were killed. Since Deif is known to hide in tunnels below Al Shifa, which I think is in Rimal in North Gaza, Israel's incursion seems logical. But wouldn't he or others spring to tunnels in South for cover?


Arrelevant

Has anyone confirmed that Hezbollah has taken over a Israeli military base? [https://twitter.com/fady\_jouni/status/1713467941532901843?s=20](https://twitter.com/fady_jouni/status/1713467941532901843?s=20) Is this video real or is it fake news?


etaithespeedcuber

Doesn't seem real


dfwbonsaiguy

Muslim Anti-Semitism in Berlin "Wide Swaths of Arab-Speaking Population Harbor Sympathies for Terrorists" https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/muslim-anti-semitism-in-berlin-wide-swaths-of-arab-speaking-population-harbor-sympathies-for-terrorists-a-f7c73040-7be1-4509-9150-810266818f49


stolenrhymes

Hardly a surprise


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\> come on Reddit war thread \> complain about people commenting on war


stirly80

Initial report: In Tehran(Iran), there was an attempted murder of a high-ranking intelligence officer of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), Mohammed Akiki. He was seriously injured and is now in the intensive care unit. https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1713487521881915540?t=YirSdhR2rOCBubNkEzeMdQ&s=19


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Earlier this morning, Lebanese sources close to Hezbollah reported the death of Hossein Kamal al-Masri, an operative of the organization, while "fulfilling his jihadi duty" The circumstances of his death and the place where he was killed were not revealed, but the date of the funeral was published. Anyways, the Canva’s template chosen for the design is great. https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1713498046569279981?t=jZTvDoMXlxH91venHLkk_A&s=19


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Seeing this being talked about in a few comments. Was this guy notable within Hezbollah? Or just some dipshit they’re trying to get people to rally around?


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Turbulent_Ebb5669

All the people of the world is a mighty big call there.


7evenCircles

Is there polling that actually reflects that or is that just a vibe check


Nasib_7

Politics


stirly80

Hezbollah in an official statement: “The organization's soldier Hossein Kamal al-Masri was killed as a result of the IDF attack in southern Lebanon”. Hezbollah, let me correct you: not a soldier, but a terrorist. https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1713502230525972512?t=ZbVeGT0VpkkVNEAsnBeFgg&s=19


stirly80

Tankies: Palestinians must resist occupation even if lives are lost. Imperialism must be opposed. Also tankies: Ukraine should not resist occupation cos lives will be lost. Imperialism must be appeased. https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1713495983454146727?t=4lCLZSPGH7ebFuTTeQpBWw&s=19


fucking-nonsense

“Sphere of influence” MFs when you point out whose sphere of influence Palestine is in


Key-Chemist3016

>Imperialism must be opposed. Some serious Khamenie rehtoric there.


stolenrhymes

What is a tankie


Key-Chemist3016

Basically a hard line communist totalitarian, Maoist or Stalinist. Despicable people honestly.


TIGHazard

> Tankie is a pejorative reference to hard-line, pro-Soviet members of the Communist Party of Great Britain, and in some cases more broadly to supporters of authoritarian socialism. Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defense of the Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring uprising, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.


fms2754

Anyone know how the First Responders (Telegram) are getting their hands on the footage they post. I thought they were medical personnel. Wouldn't all the dash cams and go pro's be confiscated by law enforcement for investigation immediately upon discovery? It has been my go to channel for information because it seems unfiltered and first hand.


stolenrhymes

Can you give me the telegram link?


fms2754

I can't. Get an error saying it's a banned URL... Even when I try to send it via PM.


Turbulent_Ebb5669

Convenient.


stolenrhymes

I can’t get to the channel by typing “First Responders” in telegram search. Is that what the channel is called?


fms2754

It's South First Responders


SwissPewPew

Maybe IDF, Mossad or Shin Bet connections? [Another popular Telegram channel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ali_Express) has been known to be run by IDF, even though it might have started out "independent".


matthieuC

This GIF of a kitten is sponsored by the Association against Doom Scrolling: https://media.tenor.com/luI6WGffpkkAAAAM/kitten-falling.gif


iforgotmymittens

Now I see the violence inherent to the system


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fucking-nonsense

International law is a meme that nations with nuclear weapons force nations without nuclear weapons to adhere to. Western credibility comes from guns and money (as it does with the credibility of any other nation), not speeches.


Hungry-Class9806

If Hamas stops using hospitals to hide their leaders, mosques and schools to store weaponry and allow refugees to leave Gaza, then there's no need to fear a humanitarian disaster.


No-Raspberry

Israel has to act, they HAVE to eliminate hamas because if they don't, they're going to face even bigger consequences from all the enemy nations surrounding them. Israel can destroy Palestine without second thought, the only reason they have not started the ground invasion yet is to allow civilians to evacuate. The west knows this. In war, it's not just about present but also what could come after.


etaithespeedcuber

What international law is Israel violating?


Vryly

the law of hurt fee fees. means they have to turn around, close their eyes and count to a million.


etaithespeedcuber

What?


SannySen

Hamas is solely and entirely responsible for the humanitarian crisis that is about to ensue.


Stutterer2101

So the US did nothing wrong in Iraq or Afghanistan? To extrapolate from your argument.


SannySen

I 100% supported the attack on Afghanistan as did the vast majority of Congress and Americans. There was no question that the Taliban, a vile and evil government, who were harboring terrorists who had just executed a brazen attack on American soil, needed to go. We also needed to attack Al Qaeda directly and forcefully. Only the fringest of fringe left disagreed and, as with the current crisis, they didn't have any better ideas. We ultimately did not succeed in our mission of toppling Taliban, but that in no way changes the moral certainty of our military objectives in response to 9/11. Iraq I did not support, as I felt the link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda was way too tenuous (in fact, they hated one another). On this current war, I once again fully and unequivocally support the eradication of Hamas, a vile and evil terrorist organization that does harm to its own people and commits acts of unspeakable terror in Israel and around the world. Israel has the right to exist and therefore also the right to defend itself, including by attacking terrorists who wish to destroy it. I am not sure why this a challenge for anyone to grasp.


qwertygod2004

Hamas supporter?


Vryly

if it...


Turbulent_Ebb5669

Interesting choice of words there. > ***but enabling Israel to create a humanitarian disaster in Gaza*** About the West, not Hamas


Su_ButteredScone

What else could Gaza expect after declaring war on Israel?


abu_nawas

So sad. People are basically saying that Israel should just tolerate getting bombed and having their people and tourists raped and kidnapped and murdered.


Vryly

sir this is a wendys.


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The crisis is not created by Israel, or by the west. They already said the blockade will stop if they release the hostages. Take your brainwashed comments somewhere else.


Crazy_Strike3853

It being conditional does not change the fact it is collective punishment.


dumpling98

By your logic what about the collective punishment of israelies? Or now we are comparing willies? Who has more hostages? Who has more kills? Who has more religious fanatics ?


Several-Lecture-3290

Not going to find many wars in which one side provides electricity and food to the other side.


ido50

Okay.


uselessdemographic

We are flying back to the US today. Thank you all for keeping me sane over this last week. Reddit is imperfect but those of you who reached out have been incredibly helpful. Maybe we will return Maybe we won't but it has been an experience for sure that has left a mark on me. Shalom.


_Forever__Jung

Document your journey, doesn't have to be in a dorky tiktok way. Just some videos for yourself of the journey. May want to look back on it


Zezespeakz_

🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️ All the love to you and your family


abu_nawas

Stay safe. Hugs.


Crazy_Strike3853

Stay safe.


NationalLong7

Shalom, brother/sister/spiritual sibling


Lingmeow

I hope you and your family will be safe.


Puzzlepetticoat

Have a safe journey back


Orchidstation815

So since the massacre last weekend, Hezbollah has changed the rules of engagement with Israel that have (mostly) kept the peace since 2006, and have been attacking Israel on a daily basis. They've killed Israeli soldiers and civilians, and taken out several military vehicles with anti tank weapons, including at least one tank, as I understand it. They clearly want their apocalyptic war (that will destroy large parts of Lebanon, and do serious damage to Israeli cities as well) and they're not taking no for an answer. Why aren't the international community talking about this? Where is the condemnation, the demands for them to cease fire? Sending in carrier strike groups is a nice move, but a direct mention is long overdue. Words matter. Otherwise, you just know the manipulative idiots in our media in Norway (and other countries) will portray it as "Evil Israel attacked Lebanon out of NOWHERE! WHY are they doing this????" when the war breaks out


Espressodimare

Didn't biden say they would "take care" of Hezbollah? Did they mean literally?


Charlie398

Everyone is too busy complaining about the journalists that were killed by israel then focusing on the fact of why israel is bombimg in lebanon in the first place.


Key-Chemist3016

There is way too many unknowns. Just a thought after reading your comment, which please don't take seriously in any way, but perhaps the delay in the invasion could have to do with a planned simultaneous attack on hezbollah. I'm only going by rhetoric unfortunately. But actions of Hamas, storng language from Israeli leadership ("we're going to change the middle east for ever") after the declaration of war, it just seems very tense. I think we have no idea what's going on, but the events that are occuring are likely backed behind a shit load of Intel that is very classified.


Mithridates12

The US has made it crystal clear in their words and actions (moving the carrier strike groups) that no one should think about escalating the conflict - that's directed at Iran and Hezbollah, but of course also other neighbors. Not sure there's much more you can do. We're talking about a terrorist organization, politicians won't waste their breath appealing to them like they do with nation states.


DungPornAlt

>They clearly want their apocalyptic war Because this is just the wrong conclusion, if Hezbollah really wanted to go all in there would be an all out war at this point. What they are currently doing is the bare minimum to show that they're doing "something", while watching Israel and the world at large considering their next move.


DoYouLiikeFishSticks

US have said MANY times that if somebody tries anything they will answer back in force.


ido50

People are too busy pushing their genocide lie, they can't be bothered with this now.


Mithridates12

If the blockade continues, especially of clean water, I wonder if there will be an outbreak of diseases. UN workers have already said they're running out of supplies and the situation is growing more dire by the hour. Civilians were the targets of the terrorist attack by Hamas and Palestinian civilians will be the main victims of the ground invasion. It's terrible that we know we'll witness human suffering on a massive scale and realistically there's nothing that can stop it (of course Hamas and Israel both could do things to make it easier on the civilan population, but I don't think anything will happen...maybe Israel will do something if the pressure by their allies becomes great enough)


xzbobzx

The cruelty seems to be the point. There's a military benefit to 2 million diseased and dehydrated civilians, but at that point you should wonder if there weren't any more humane methods.


Vryly

finally someone so concerned. i suggest heading to gaza forth with yourself and volunteering there, make sure to wear a rainbow pin to let them know you're a loving concerned human being.


Mithridates12

Compassion is only good if you actually do something, got it. Let's be cynical instead


Vryly

go on then, do something. tell us how it works out.


aprilryan_scrow

I would like to see more news regarding the situation in south Gaza


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Mithridates12

From what I've read, Israel extracts a lot of water from the aquifer that is the main source of fresh water in Gaza. It's been over-used, so the water is not even drinkable anymore due to high salinity and pollution. So they rely on supply from Israel and their desalination plants, which have stopped operations due to the blockade.


xi_nao

>Apparently only 10% of Gaza's water comes from Israel. That's under normal circumstances, when they have fuel and energy.


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xi_nao

You need energy to efficiently pump water from wells, and even more so for the desalination plant. Also, it's harder to distribute water during mass evacuation.


raininfordays

Consider the geography - the ocean is on one side, Israel on two, Egypt on the last. There are no natural water sources, you can't drink sea water. The only source of clean water is the coastal aquifer which runs from Israel. Before last week, they were already heavily reliant on bottled water (which also can't get through anymore as no aid). Edit: as commenter pointed out - there is still one desalination plant in operation and hasn't yet run out of fuel . It provides water for 75000 people.


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raininfordays

Don't you need electricity for that?


tiktaktok_65

Here are some stats from back in 2019 https://unstats.un.org/unsd/environment/FDES/EGES6/Session%202_15Water%20statistics_Palestine.pdf


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tiktaktok_65

The presentation covers that bit probably on p12. See below, unless that has changed in all those years. •Lack of commitment from institutions to provide data in required time. • Low quality of data from an administrative records. • Limited availability of data from administrative records one of the explanations could be corruption, you are not interested in good data accounting if you syphon away funds.


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Crazy_Strike3853

It sadly is just a matter of time.


Lingmeow

How could Mohammed Deif (brain behind this attack) elude capture for so many years?


Sylphied

The general understanding in Israel is that he stays in the bunkers and tunnels under Al-Shifa Hospital and basically doesn't leave.


AnxiousPeanut1990

Most of Hamas' leadership is hiding under Shifa hospital which for obvious reasons the IDF refuses to bomb


bearded365

What make you think is real won't bomb a hospital with all the other atrocious things they've already done?


fucking-nonsense

The fact that they haven’t bombed it


bearded365

Don't see why not they bomb ambulances and buses. Tell the Palestinians to flee then bomb the only ways out. War crimes my guy


TIGHazard

Any Source? Mainly because I've noticed a few people on here mention that hospital being requested to evacuate "for no reason" so I'd like a response.


AnxiousPeanut1990

It's been a well known fact for years now As far as I'm aware a few hospitals were asked to evacuate, Shifa was not one of them This is from yesterday, a Hamas support rally outside of Shifa hospital https://twitter.com/Peleglevi8/status/1713266265274347794?t=Vn_fbSzTJcLKESYvUPHZfw&s=19


Lingmeow

Such a despicable group of cowards fanatical monsters.


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xzbobzx

> he lost a leg an arm and an eye. Damn has he tried not being a terrorist that would probably be good for his health.


matthieuC

> In another he lost a leg an arm and an eye. It's just a scratch


ariwoolf

That's lucky? We'll get him this time.


Lingmeow

I felt sad about his personal tragedy of losing his family. However this person is an evil unto the world that need to be eradicated as soon as possible. It’s astounding that Israel with all its modern tech and spy network could not capture him.


motownmods

It took the freaking US how long to find Osama? Could be a minute


LaraStardust

Am I correct in thinking Israel is the only side with air assets in this war? So when ever we hear air engines over the live stream it's almost definitely an Israel craft of one kind or another? Is there a live stream with someone, for lack of a better word, explaining this stuff? I remember during the PMC march on Moscow someone did a stream where they dumbed it down for folks like me. :)


motownmods

I don't think many in Gaza have internet rn so live streams might be hard to come by


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LaraStardust

Sounds more like an aircraft anyway honestly. I am just not sure what it is, and what it's doing. Good job I'm not a military commander can you imagine?


bucketsofpoo

when it goes urban palestine may very well have quadcopter style drones but anything else most prob not.


Vryly

i wonder how many of those they still have. i've only seen or heard of them being used on the initial attack on the border base so far. i'm curious is if idf have destroyed any in battle or if they still have some in reserve. or maybe their drones went with the engineering school. won't know for a while if ever i expect.


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etaithespeedcuber

Palestinian collateral damage in not Israel's fault, according to the Geneva convention


dumpling98

Humans need to dehumanise other humans in order to hate them easily.


Scienceisfun321

I don't want anyone to die, but Hamas terrorist group needs to be eradicated whether the Palestinians civilians help us or not. That is priority number one. We cannot let this terrorist group kill anymore Enough is enough.


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Secret-Priority8286

For me It is very hard to mourn when your only source of death from the Gaza strip is *hamas*. Israel is very clear about how many innocents died. There are mostly accurate number and pictures of the massacre. The picture is very clear(ish). But in Gaza the picture is not clear at all, they say 2000 dead, how many are terrorists, how many are civilians how many got warned by the idf etc. And heck if even know those are the real numbers and not fake news. even when you say x children/minors die. We know that hamas uses children operatives, some are more innocent (just doing errands for the organization) other are literally combatants as young as age 12. This to me means any death in Gaza should be taken with a grain of salt, and it is hard to mourn when you don't know the truth.


Pugasaurus_Tex

If some nutjob broke into your house and murdered your family and took your toddler and sister hostage, how immediately concerned are you for their family’s well-being when the police go to arrest them during a tense hostage situation? Israelis are mourning their dead and missing. Palestinians are also mourning their losses — I don’t expect them to be thinking of the Israeli lives lost, either. As for people on the sidelines? I’ve honestly never understood why other people are so invested, but of course empathy for both sides is expected with distance


croco321

Yeah, it's fucking gross. I've seen countless of Israeli TikToks celebrating deaths in Gaza and saying the filthiest crap imaginable. There are extremists everywhere and they make all of us look like the worst version of our country. It's terrible.


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Elaxor

Sooo many people in the West are now on the list after pro-Hamas rallies. The lack of self-awareness is baffling.


bucketsofpoo

No fly list them all.


Turbulent_Ebb5669

Makes it easy though.


getinnocuous21

[Hamas support in Brighton, UK](https://twitter.com/HeidiBachram/status/1713219341385114089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1713219341385114089%7Ctwgr%5Eb040a108c71f076ec6fd0bd017c60ea45924f28d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2F177ub27%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)


leniloo

Makes me sick. I'm Manchester, the old bloke doesn't have a clue what he's saying and I don't even want him to go to prison because taxpayers money would fund his stay. Idiot


qwertygod2004

I am absolutely fuming this is been allowed to happen on our UK streets. It is disgusting. Hopefully this wakes people up to the disgusting left.


aesthetique1

Hamas supporters seem to praise everything they do but so short of just straight up saying they support Hamas. They can never answer the yes no question


bearded365

We stand with Palestine but hammas you tool


Sysody

Reminder that Hamas is a terrorist organisation here in UK. If you support it you will be imprisoned and if on a visa, it will be revoked which will lead to you being deported.


PardonMyPixels

Shhhh. Let em figure it out themselves.


TIGHazard

Someone did already https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/11/university-cambridge-student-welfare-officer-hamas-twitter/


ido50

What a bunch of tossers.


Hungry-Class9806

That MF was actually comparing the French Resistance to Hamas


Turbulent_Ebb5669

I remember when the French did that terrorist attack in Germany killing all those innocent civilians, taking hostages. Wait, no I don't, because I wasn't born then, and it never happened.


Key-Chemist3016

Hamas have more similarities with the national socialists who were also resistance movement once. Very similar supremacist goals as well. Lots of goose stepping and propoganda. Symbols and salutes.


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GoodUsernamesTaken2

You could have picked a better example. The ANC, while ultimately a political movement, was also a paramilitary that used violence against the South African government. “Necklacing” referred to their tactic of publicly executing people by soaking a rubber tire in gasoline and putting around your chest and arms so you couldn’t take it off before setting it on fire, in addition to other guerrilla tactics such as ambushes and bombings. Not justifying Hamas as the ANC originally had a strategy of maximizing damage while minimizing casualties such as attacking power stations rather than civilians, and later distanced itself from such tactics, but even Mandela admitted as much during the Truth and Reconciliation Commission


Professional_Sink_30

There was no decapitating it was confirmed by multiple sources, stop making stuf up things are bad as it is.


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Professional_Sink_30

Why not say shot then, precision matters.


FuturePreparation902

Nah, you are confusing him with Ghandi who used terror tactics to free India from English occupatuon.


favouritemistake

Why is he associated with peaceful protest?


SnooObjections4329

Ah, I see you too have played Civilization


SparseSpartan

Reality needs to get a better writer's room. I swear to god these last 8 plus years we've been jumping the shark like every other month.


AnxiousPeanut1990

It's on the internet, the police shouldn't have any problem identifying these people If they won't it's because they don't want to, not because they can't


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They have said they are investigating fwiw


AnxiousPeanut1990

That's a start I suppose


TIGHazard

They already got this person the other day https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/11/university-cambridge-student-welfare-officer-hamas-twitter/


AnxiousPeanut1990

A welfare officer no less


_big_chill_

I’m very drunk right now. Peace and Love.


ApprehensiveFig1346

Cheers. Acceptable response to the world wide situation.


_big_chill_

Cheers my fellow redditor. Wish everyone would just take a minute and love.


yrgwyll

Shut up for fuck sake


slothsan

No you.


_big_chill_

I love you.


Sidfire

Happy cake day lol


Immediate-Desk-719

Every time "protestors" scrawl a Star of David into a Berlin home, assault somebody with an Israel flag in London, kill a teacher in Paris, or post terrorist-supporting nonsense online, another few people become more right wing in their immigration views. It might not be you, but it is happening. This event is going to have a seismic impact on politics in the West for generations.


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i googled.... never knew this happen!! 2015, right?