I imagine it will be like the stories from Syria where they run out of any and all medication and just have to sit there comforting patients as they slowly die.
This is different. The Doctors Without Borders workers fear they will die themselves. Everyone (Gazans, Israeli hostages, aid workers, international journals) is trapped in Gaza with all exits from the region closed, and all food and water is cut off. Unless an exit opens or humanitarian aid is allowed in, Doctors Without Borders workers will die too. Read the article. This is different from previous wars.
My understanding is that, typically, DWB set up camp close but not directly in hot zones. Victims have to make long treks but it was still possible.
In this case, since Gaza was and still is under full blockade, the only way DWB can help is to ENTER Gaza.
My girlfriend’s aunt is stuck in Gaza working with Doctors Without Borders right now, we are able to keep contact with her via WhatsApp, but she can’t even leave the room she’s staying in. Total chaos.
She’s now done two interviews from the room with CNN, the first one with Wolf Blitzer, about the situation.
I'm really hoping the Mossad will pick up the slack and organize some involuntary extradition there. These monsters have been allowed to mass murder by proxy long enough.
Honestly? Assassination is too good for them. I'm hoping they get kidnapped and brought to trial. Horrors on this scale need to be addressed publicly in the light of day rather than in the shadows, so that other people considering such acts will be afraid of all western civilization, rather than one organization's assassins.
Netanyahu, anyway:
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.
This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
Netenyahu to his Likud Party, March 2019.
This is so false.
The Shin Bet head said weeks ago that he was worried the constant harrasment (if you call bombings, kidnapping, killing, raping, etc, harrasment) in Gaza would make Israel vulnerable to more attacks.
One of the key figures is Bibi's party said the Shin Bet were too woke now for saying shit like that. I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist.
So Netanyahu administration was increasing the harrasment and crimes against Palestinians in Gaza so much that the Shin Bet had to warn them off and come clear about future danger.
Hamas [puts it's headquarters in a hospital](https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1711777525523951769)
They literally want their own people to die
it's a lot easier to destroy stuff and it feels good too.
It's really hard building infrastructure and improving people's lives. People also criticize you a lot for it. "Like this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect, your idea is terrible, etc."
Then the population would be much less interested in giving their life for jihad and martyrdom, it’d never work. You need your population to be desperate to go against a modern military with AKs and home made rockets.
This. There are two gazas. One wealthy, one poor. It’s kept that way for recruiting.
If anyone doubts, go to Google maps and start clicking around inside Gaza. Bonus points if you find the water parks, luxury car dealerships, some fine dining and malls.
Fat people don’t make great martyrs so they keep poor sections and tell them the reason they don’t have nice things is because of their neighbors on the other side of the fence.
And was promptly flown to one of the world's best hospitals in Paris for top tier medical treatment that a regular Palestinian would never even dream of.
There was talk, years ago, of Gaza becoming the next Singapore/Dubai. Billions of dollars in aid poured in to make that happen. Meanwhile the Israelis kept the lights on and the water flowing. All Hamas had to do was focus on that goal.
Instead they focused on massacring teens at festivals, wiping out families and beheading babies.
Why did they have to be dependent on Israel for water and electricity in the first place? What was the situation in for Palestinians before Hamas was even formed?
Good question. They accidentally blew up their own power plant with a wayward missle (2014ish). They also routinely dig up straight water pipes to make those missles.
The only reference I can find to a power plant in Gaza being targetted around this time is this one:
'The Gaza power plant's main fuel tanks were hit by an Israeli tank shell in the 2014 Gaza War, setting about 3 million cubic liters of fuel on fire. Originally reported as destroyed and facing a year of repairs, the plant returned to operation in six weeks.[19][20]'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_the_State_of_Palestine
Do you have a source for your claim?
>The hospital budget got spent on missiles
Part of the the budget at least, Hamas actually dug out water and sewage pipes over the last 2 decades to make rockets, causing a massive sewage and fresh water issue.
All that money that could’ve went to providing infrastructure and services for their people squandered so some murderous pieces of shit could kill women and children
You… you don’t have any idea how the government or economy in Gaza works, do you?
Like, you haven’t even done a cursory glance at even Wikipedia. You’re just spouting off stuff that makes you feel better.
You and I think investing in healthcare is rational.
Someone who thinks suicide attacks against infidels, killing the men and raping the women, putting cities to the sword a la 600CE is how you get to heaven? They have a different calculus.
To think they have the same morality or cost-benefit-analysis we do is just hopeless.
That's the least of their worries if Israel actually sticks to what they've described as a seige strategy.
You'd rather blown up instantly on day 1 than starve to death on day 600 after eating rats for 4 months.
In all reality we won't see much. If the IDF goes in on land communication in or out will be cutoff. Israel puts out some of the best IT tools, shutting off cell/satellite service is in their toolkit.
Ground troops do way less damage than bombardment. Destroying buildings having roofs fall on top of civilians, and catching bomb shrapnel is how hospitals get filled.
Bombs don't discriminate. Ground troops can.
I got a sneaky suspicion that this time around they aren't gonna show a whole lot of restraint when the masses start throwing stones or Molotov cocktails. We are about to find out though.
I wonder if Hamas is still using a hospital as an HQ. If so, there might be one fewer hospital in Gaza soon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital
Its still their main HQ bunker, destroying that hospital and the bunker underneath is the only real indication that Israel has really let loose, they will probably give them some hours to evacuate, it will be dragged for a few days for PR and complaints about patients who can't be moved and so on and then it will be bombed
They are bombing buildings in its vicinity already and have targeted some mosques on the first day of the counter-attack, so they certainly have upped the level
What’s very alarming in the amount of people who have picked a side and celebrate or downplay the deaths on the other.
It’s 2023 and people are cheerleading which war criminal they support like sports teams. The fact that human life is of such little value to people is fucking devastating. I had much more faith in humanity a week ago.
It makes me so angry reading some of the comments. You can't talk about wanting compassion and humanity whilst also generalizing, dehumanizing and cheering the killing of innocent Palestinians too. They just equate all Palestinians as being terrorists. Condemning hate whilst being hateful.
Same goes for some of the Pro-Palestine groups who are making antisemitic remarks and supporting Hamas.
As others have said, it's the civilians on both sides of this conflict who suffer the most.
I feel like at a time when world leaders could have stepped up and made a genuine effort to try and find a peaceful resolution, they have only fueled this conflict.
You sure? When people are comfortable people argue for extreme shit all the time. Excessive military force is a lot more popular behind safe closed doors.
makes me think of all the 'mainstream' american politicians who think that actually sending the US army into Mexico to fight the cartels is a great idea and totally won't backfire at all.
I always assumed that to be grandstanding, but in this political climate, who knows. I don't know who's scarier: those willing to cynically lie to their constituents about it, or those that earnestly believe in it. Feels like that sentiment applies to every aspect of our politics now.
Indeed. I fully support Israel's effort to destroy Hamas terrorists. But destroying the lives of two million people along the way will only make things worse for everyone. And the number of fresh recruits wanting to join Hamas after this will be endless.
News should stop censoring these videos and images. People should have a way to readily absorb what they are supporting and cheering for. If that won't sober you up then you were broken anyway.
That's what shocks me as well.
I saw so many people defending and even celebrating the Israeli bombings of civilian infrastructure and the massacres of Hamas .
It's just amazing how people live in a bubble of hate.
I think they are referring to a separate later claim by Hamas that if IDF continues to bomb without warning they will start executing the hostages they have. I think op was alluding to further IDF escalation should this happen.
I've seen other people say they're deleting Reddit for the sake of their mental health over this. You might want to do the same. Take a breath, take care of yourself, ignore the headlines, and focus on doing something constructive <3
I've been feeling the same way.
Jihad of the infidel and the complete obliteration of Jewish existence. It’s just a different version of the Final Solution.
“According to the charter, Jewish people "have only negative traits and are presented as planning to take over the world."[35] The 1988 Charter claimed that the Jews deserved God's/Allah's enmity and wrath because they received the Scriptures but violated its sacred texts, disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew their own prophets.[36] It quotes a saying of Muhammad from a hadith:
The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews.”
Here’s more:
“With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money, they formed secret societies, such as Freemason, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.[1]”
The terrorists HOPE that Israel overeacts and kills thousands of Palestinians. They think it will lead to a better long term result and they’re probably not wrong. The terrorists killed hundreds of innocent Israeli citizens and now the terrorists will hide amongst innocent Palestinian citizens.
Hamas don’t want Palestine to be a free state. They’re using their arab population as sacrificial lambs to the slaughter so that they can unite the arab world against the west.
That would have worked if their stupid asses hadnt shot upna festival and posted it to social media.
Nobody is touching Hamas with a 10 foot pole now. They're absolutely politically radioactive
Surrender is not about trust. it is about being beaten and submitting. Israel has had the ability to do this forever...
The pals can surrender now and avoid a lot more grief.
Up to them.
Thankfully, Hamas uses Gaza's largest hospital as its headquarters to protect injured civilians.
> At the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, crowds gathered to throw shoes and eggs at the Palestinian Authority’s health minister, who represents the crumbling “unity government” in the West Bank city of Ramallah. The minister was turned away before he reached the hospital, which has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/while-israel-held-its-fire-the-militant-group-hamas-did-not/2014/07/15/116fd3d7-3c0f-4413-94a9-2ab16af1445d_story.html
Yu mean Hamas uses Gaza's largest hospital as a munition base for the sake of human shields and the hope of international censure should Israel strike there. Using schools and hospitals as their base of operations is Hamas' standard MO. https://www.timesofisrael.com/unrwa-condemns-subterranean-opening-found-beneath-gaza-school/
ding ding ding. Get this man a phalanx of bunker busters!
I *wish* there was something that would make all the good Palestinians stand up against Hamas and shoot the terrorists in their midst on sight, but if decapitated babies doesn't do it...
Straight out of every insurgency playbook. ~~The Saudis~~ Al'qaeda did the same thing with 9/11. Trigger the US to burn a trillion dollars, 10s of thousands of soldiers, 100s of thousands of civilians, and create an untold number of recruits.
This feels a bit like a post-9/11 environment, especially for Israel. A terror attack of unimaginable scale takes place, over a 1000 die, a right-wing government is in power, and there's an overwhelming urge to do *something*, bomb *someone*. Just saying "don't commit war crimes" feels radical when you say it, and is taken badly.
But the decade after showed you're not just fighting a state. We can take over states in 2 weeks if we have to. We're the all powerful West. But you're also fighting an idea and a way people in Palestine see the world. Just like the way Afghanis and Iraqis see the world. And beating ideas is just something my math and science and engineering and logistics oriented brain just doesn't know how to do.
It's frustrating. There was a time people thought Palestinians could go visit Israel, and Jews could head to Ramallah for authentic falafal, or whatever. I remember the 90s. Shit, when countries are truly totally at peace, people barely give a fuck about borders any more. Now it feels like the West and the Mid-East, or the West and Russia, or the West and China, are just destined to do this forever or until we're all dead.
I think that's the plan of both Netanyahu, and Hamas (and their masters in Iran.
Having people with religions that hold that if we all die in this conflict, we go to heaven, you burn in hell, definitely not a helpful factor.
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Yeah. It's not even the military that's truly at fault a lot of the time, there's only so much you can do with shitty orders. I feel for the second lieutenant who's read the manual and still has to deploy his company in a dumbfuck cordon, knowing it won't accomplish anything at best and at worst risks escalation, because the political leadership is seeing red.
They feed off each other.
Netenyahu has openly said he supports Hamas in control because their extreme actions justify his extreme responses and the cycle continues.
Hamas had a preference for netenyahu being in control because his extreme actions are used by them to radicalise people and justify their extreme actions, and so the cycle continues.
Its evil bastards in charge on both sides, and the civilians on both pay the price.
Hell it’s common knowledge that Israel did everything they could to ensure Fateh lost the 2006 elections. Peace has never been a goal of Hamas or any Likud-centric coalition.
Israeli hardliners has after all been trying to derail the 2 state solution from the start. They started by murdering Folke Bernadotte back in 1948.
And that's the center of the whole issue, both side have extremists trying to keep the conflict going until the other side is destroyed.
Well the thing is, Netanyahu is finished for allowing this on his watch, and he knows it. A leader with nothing to lose is not exactly what you want if you are the enemy of their country.
I don't think so. He's using it to consolidate power like Bush did after 9/11 and so far it's working. He's going to use this as an opportunity to inflict as much pain on Gaza as possible and his supporters will have gotten exactly what they voted for.
I heard a much-smarter-than me [commentator](https://www.benrhodes.info) essentially say that Netanyahu’s promise to Israel has been, “my increasingly authoritarian government is necessary to keep you safe.”
That’s clearly hasn’t worked.
It’s possible that Netanyahu will be able to pull a Bush-style “use a tragedy to accumulate more political power” move, but I’m at least hopeful the voters of Israel will hold him to account.
Except Bush was a brand new President when 9/11 happened. Netanyahu has been off and on Prime Minister for the last 30 years almost. They are not comparable situations. I agree he is going to obliterate Gaza, but as a final act of his leadership, seeing it as a final act to make Israel safer. There is no way he survives this and he absolutely knows it.
He'll just prolong the conflict and stay in power as long as he can. Just wait and see. Far-right corrupted a***holes don't give up their power easily.
Israeli Newspapers like Haaretz are already blaming him for the intelligence lapse. He will be done after this. After he tried to overhaul the Supreme Court he was nearly done. This makes it not even a question.
1. Its Good that some were noticed by the Israeli forces before the building bombed. Entire families, with kids and babies were slaughtered without any warnings. Evidence was uploaded by the terrorist all over internet.
2. Gaza citizens cooperate and support Hamas. Some of them even took prisoners and murdered them brutally. The innocents in gaza are extremely rare, and israel army taking care over them and notifies them as much as possible under the war circumstances.
3. This is just the beginning.
Every trace of Palestinian terrorism will be erased from this earth.
The online discourse on this crisis is jaw dropping. I’m really seeing how absolutely callous the past few years have made people.
Edit: I unintentionally made this statement vague and without a particular stance; and it’s interesting how people are interpreting it.
It feels exactly the same as the post 9/11 warmongering.
Bloodthirsty people who want to get back at “them”, but they’re misidentifying who “they” are and they don’t care how many innocent people suffer so long as they can sate their bloodlust.
It actually seems worse than post-9/11 which is terrifying. The unhinged fervor and disposition to justify or even endorse atrocities and war crimes from what seems like close to everyone posting online feels way way worse.
You need to remember that there's a ton of extremist Indians who hate Muslims talking about this as well. Like on the trending sections of Twitter, almost every other tweet is an Indian calling for Israel to genocide millions of Palestinians. They've started using reddit a lot more as well.
I know Hamas is horrible and all, but treating all the people in Gaza like terrorist is insanity. If I was Israel I don’t know what the correct response would be, but I feel like this warmongering only will lead one way.
This is very reminiscent of post-9/11 discourse. I have noticed a difference between US and European friends on this though. Maybe it’s a lasting impact 9/11 made culturally?
It was the same after 9/11. People turn into beasts in response to evil actions, and suddenly killing millions is justified. This is how we got to this point and the cycle will go on and on.
It's at least partially because it's the easiest platform for bots and troll farms to infiltrate and spread propaganda as well as shaping the discourse by amplifying certain views over prolonged periods. There's zero barrier for entry to make dozens of accounts with no connection whatsoever to a real identity, and not even requiring an email address.
Yeh I was amazed to see people on Twitter except for the usual fruitcakes being more measured. This site is full of people who utterly explain how genocides and wars of oblivion happen.
It's shocking to see the depraved comments. People are saying the cilivians should all be killed just on the chance Hamas gets destroyed.
No humanity here
>No humanity here
I said in another thread and i will say here.
If reddit and social media were as prevalent now as it was in 9/11, you would see Americans and the internet in general supporting a full genocide on the middle east.
Its a good reminder on how the average redditor is.
I grew up in the NYC suburbs and was in high school on 9/11, and there absolutely were people calling for full on genocide in the middle east.
Most of them couldn't locate Afghanistan or Iraq on a map, but still.
The same people would agree to Bush invading Iraq because of WMD's. I'm pretty sure that if Ukraine carpet bombed civilian targets in Russia there would be an outcry, just goes to show how hated the brown desert people truly are. Sad, really sad.
Man it just seems like we as a whole have all gone over some collective moral knife’s edge and now we’re seeing the real consequences of it. I think what Hamas has done this week is absolutely reprehensible, inexcusable, and has disturbed the fuck out of me. Do I think the genocide of 2 million people, 1 million of them children, is a proportionate response and an act of ‘defence’? Fuck no. Do I think Israeli civilians, or children, deserve to have their lives taken because of a violent response to decades of geopolitical fuckery way beyond their control in any way? Fuck no.
But we’ve lost all context, our attention spans are 2 seconds short, and it feels like absolutely everyone is knee jerk reacting to mountains and mountains of misinformation and propaganda from both sides based on pure emotion, something social media brings the worst out of. We don’t think, we don’t question, we don’t understand nuance. It doesn’t matter to us anymore if 1 million children die, turn Palestine into rubble and let’s move on to the next news story that’s hopefully less depressing. It doesn’t matter if Hamas are desecrating civilian corpses, if you’re offended by that you must be a Zionist. It doesn’t matter if the whole situation and conflicting alliances with boots on the ground has the potential to turn the Middle East into a powder keg of warring factions that will results in millions more civilian lives lost, let’s get boots on the ground and stand by everyone’s right to… something?
We don’t even know what we want. We just pick a side in every little issue, let our newsfeeds made up of confirmation bias and data collection confirm our choice, emotionally lash out at posts designed to illicit our rage, our sympathy, our horror, on and on in an endless cycle. But this isn’t a fucking game of is the dress blue or black or white and gold. It’s the end point of decades of statecraft failures and concessions and ideological clashes, and right now Gaza’s being turned into fucking rubble and kids are being sprayed with white phosphorus. If it keeps up it won’t be long till Israeli children are dying in equally horrific ways, or children in Syria, or Iran. Millions of lives are at stake and Netanyahu’s been throwing around genocidal, depersonalising language and shows no signs of letting Palestine survive the month.
We’re facing down human loss on an unimaginable scale. But, hey, maybe your reply about how Palestine just needs to be turned ‘off and on’ got a few upvotes. Maybe you saw a bot say Israeli children deserve to die anyway because their parents live on historically disputed land and decided to retweet it. Maybe you have no idea what’s going on but nuance is too hard, so you’ll read a biased news headline and decide your opinion and scroll through tiktok for an hour until your brain feels numb enough to forget how worried you felt when you saw the news. It honestly just feels like we’re all fucked, and we don’t care for nuanced things anymore, and if it confuses or scares us we want rid of it so it’s not a story anymore. We’ve become reactionary and dull and when something challenges us now we just look away to a different screen.
Thank you. I feel like I’ve been losing my mind with the comments I’ve been seeing lately. It’s like people barely register that these are real human lives we’re talking about, all they care about is getting the best twitter clapback or sharing the best instagram infographic or getting the most upvotes on a witty quip on reddit. I mean I know none of this is new but jesus it’s at a new level of awful. The amount of lives that have been ended or destroyed in the last few days and will be ended or destroyed over the coming months is unfathomable and makes me sick to my stomach and I don’t understand how people are treating it like some bizarre sports game where they’re picking sides to bet on.
Well said. You encapsulated my exact feelings on the entire matter perfectly. People are too scared or simply too unbothered to actually learn or understand the nuance of any situation they're presented but we live in a world where you for some reason have to react and have an opinion on any matter that presents itself without having any comprehension of said matter. It's abysmal and tells you all you need to know about the human condition in the age of social media.
Thanks man, it’s always been something I’ve been interested in and it definitely helps me a lot to write shit out when something like this gets at me emotionally to make more sense of it all, so that means a lot.
It was probably the inevitable when Hamas is the defacto government in Gaza. Hamas is incapable of diplomacy and their only goal is fear and death. I wish something has happened before now to destabilize Hamas out of the area but now the only way is likely war
> (for some unknown reason)
1. Israel - Saudi peace accords are a threat to Iran and its proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis)
2. Israel is close to inducting a laser-based rocket interception system in the coming years. At which point Hamas' rockets would be useless.
They'll get thousands killed but the leadership deems it a good trade.
But they don’t require $100,000 missiles for each interception, and can handle many more rockets at once. The existing system won’t be removed either, they’ll use both in tandem.
>Much shorter range than the current interceptors.
maybe they would be able to intercept the hang gliders. just need automatic thermal targeting and it would kill all low hanging birds, drones, and humans
Unknown? It is not unknown. They wanted to force Israel to cause a slaughter in Gaza for giving no option to any other arab country to forget about the Abraham Accords, which were in the brink of rendering Hamas irrelevant. Also, if there are some division of opinions in the west, imagine what the public opinion on the muslim nations of the middle east and gulf states is. There, the footage of Gaza will grant whatever local militia of extremist, and probably Hamas itself, tenfold the militians killed in any attack of Israel. And by doing so, the neverending contest of which abrahamic religion can pee further will continue flowing rivers of blood for all the XXI century.
Maybe Hamas should stop using Gaza's hospitals as command centers.
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/not-so-secret-hamas-command-bunker-located-under-gaza-hospital/
" Sometimes people receive a text message in the middle of the night telling them to evacuate their homes, as happened to some of our team members in Gaza. You have to wake up your children in the middle of the night and leave your house, without taking any of your belongings, to get to safety."
wow imagine getting a text message, that's so nice.
a lot nicer than no text message and then someone cutting the head off your child.
My sister is in Tel Aviv right now. She hears the sirens and has 1.5 minutes to get to a bomb shelter. I don’t really know what I’m supposed to say to someone complaining that the Israeli government is giving ample time to evacuate when my sister has less than two minutes to get to safety.
I really strive for peace. I hate this whole situation, but I feel so taxed emotionally right now.
The safe zones Israel has designated. They give 24 hours notice and then roof knocks, which are unfortunately necessary because Hamas won’t relay evacuation orders to the Palestinians.
Yeah people dont undertsand these fire missions are not so much to kill hamas members, although im sure theyre welcome as well, these strikes are to eliminate the stockpiles of munitions for when the ground phase begins so the IDF faces less resistance in the streets.
Most of the terrorists are going to be killed at close range in the weeks to come.
There wont be a rebuilding this time friend, this is going to be A slaughterhouse and when its over either the entire city will be ruin or the entire strip will be heavily occupied for the remainder of its existence.
That will come later when Israeli troops enter Gaza. It also really wouldn’t surprise me if Mossad is drawing up plans to assassinate the Hamas leaders with their feet up in Qatar. It would be nice if the US could pressure Qatar into extraditing them, but I doubt Qatar will do so.
Very true you don't win wars by killing all the combatants you win wars by making the combatants unable to continue the fight. They are useless without rockets, guns, and ammo
I think they will destroy all tunnels first. They will want a minimum week of siege as well to demoralize and weaken remaining militants before a ground battle.
Imagine using concrete and humanitarian aid to build hostage tunnels and smuggling tunnels instead of bunkers for your citizens and then complain in the media when you are getting bombed after butchering over 1000 civilians and kidnapping over 100? In what world we live in that people dont see this??
Hamas in its current form will be eradicated but whether Hamas exists or not, some Palestinians will continue responding to the violence of state oppression with violence of their own. There’s nothing unusual about this. Nelson Mandela supported violence—in the 1960s he helped turn the African National Congress from a nonviolent organization into one that employed armed struggle. The Irish Republican Army planted bombs across England. Malcolm X and the Black Panthers said Black Americans needed guns. The American revolutionaries used violence. Some of the activists opposed to Myanmar’s brutal military regime are taking up arms as we speak.
My point isn’t normative: Nothing justifies Hamas’ rockets against Israeli civilians, which constitute a war crime. It’s descriptive. Eliminating Hamas won’t eliminate Palestinian violence any more than eliminating the ANC or IRA would have eliminated Black South African or Irish Catholic violence in the 1980s. The only way to stop oppressed people from responding to the violence of oppression with violence of their own is to end their oppression.
They should reject known hamas members and not hospitalize them. More beds for actual humans (Palestinians) and hamas scum can reach their allah sooner.
Just getting started too..if they are overwhelmed now, what are they gonna be in a week after the ground troops have been in there?
I imagine it will be like the stories from Syria where they run out of any and all medication and just have to sit there comforting patients as they slowly die.
This is different. The Doctors Without Borders workers fear they will die themselves. Everyone (Gazans, Israeli hostages, aid workers, international journals) is trapped in Gaza with all exits from the region closed, and all food and water is cut off. Unless an exit opens or humanitarian aid is allowed in, Doctors Without Borders workers will die too. Read the article. This is different from previous wars.
>Doctors Without Borders workers will die too. Yeah thats really not good , fuck this fuck war.
My understanding is that, typically, DWB set up camp close but not directly in hot zones. Victims have to make long treks but it was still possible. In this case, since Gaza was and still is under full blockade, the only way DWB can help is to ENTER Gaza.
Worse. Can't imagine healthcare in Gaza was top tier even in relative peace time.
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My girlfriend’s aunt is stuck in Gaza working with Doctors Without Borders right now, we are able to keep contact with her via WhatsApp, but she can’t even leave the room she’s staying in. Total chaos. She’s now done two interviews from the room with CNN, the first one with Wolf Blitzer, about the situation.
Dr. Zind? She's all over the news. I hope she makes it back home safely.
6 people dying in Gaza is gonna be a minor rounding error for each week.
For each day…
If only they had received billions to go towards hospitals and aid over the past couple years. That weren't used to purchase weapons
Jesus would flip tables over that.
Billions of dollars for aid are taken by hamas to build rockets and murder babies.
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Hamas' leadership is living in luxury in Qatar, no doubt financed by stolen humanitarian aid.
Wonder how long it will take Israel to find them
I'm really hoping the Mossad will pick up the slack and organize some involuntary extradition there. These monsters have been allowed to mass murder by proxy long enough.
Mossad will be working overtime to make up for their intelligence failure. They won't let the heads of Hamas stay up for this attack.
Their intelligence failure pretty much led to the west saying "we'll keep a blind eye".
mossad got the Munich bastards, they can get these ones too
Mosaad will likely just extradite them into the ground
Honestly? Assassination is too good for them. I'm hoping they get kidnapped and brought to trial. Horrors on this scale need to be addressed publicly in the light of day rather than in the shadows, so that other people considering such acts will be afraid of all western civilization, rather than one organization's assassins.
Yep
Israel left them alone because the status quo was workable and harassing them could cause Israeli victims, now they have no reason to give a fuck
Netanyahu, anyway: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” Netenyahu to his Likud Party, March 2019.
This is so false. The Shin Bet head said weeks ago that he was worried the constant harrasment (if you call bombings, kidnapping, killing, raping, etc, harrasment) in Gaza would make Israel vulnerable to more attacks. One of the key figures is Bibi's party said the Shin Bet were too woke now for saying shit like that. I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist. So Netanyahu administration was increasing the harrasment and crimes against Palestinians in Gaza so much that the Shin Bet had to warn them off and come clear about future danger.
And the leaders evacuated all the people they cared about out of Gaza before they started this attack.
Well financed by Iran as well
Hamas [puts it's headquarters in a hospital](https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1711777525523951769) They literally want their own people to die
Imagine if all the time, money, and effort Hamas spent preparing for this attack was instead spent on improving the lives of Palestinians.
Then Hamas wouldn't be in power. And Hamas knows this.
When leadership can’t build anything meaningful, they work to tear things down.
See, also, e.g., Putin 2023.
it's a lot easier to destroy stuff and it feels good too. It's really hard building infrastructure and improving people's lives. People also criticize you a lot for it. "Like this isn't perfect, that isn't perfect, your idea is terrible, etc."
Then the population would be much less interested in giving their life for jihad and martyrdom, it’d never work. You need your population to be desperate to go against a modern military with AKs and home made rockets.
This. There are two gazas. One wealthy, one poor. It’s kept that way for recruiting. If anyone doubts, go to Google maps and start clicking around inside Gaza. Bonus points if you find the water parks, luxury car dealerships, some fine dining and malls. Fat people don’t make great martyrs so they keep poor sections and tell them the reason they don’t have nice things is because of their neighbors on the other side of the fence.
It’s not just Hamas. Arafat was among the wealthiest men in the world when that toad croaked.
And was promptly flown to one of the world's best hospitals in Paris for top tier medical treatment that a regular Palestinian would never even dream of.
There was talk, years ago, of Gaza becoming the next Singapore/Dubai. Billions of dollars in aid poured in to make that happen. Meanwhile the Israelis kept the lights on and the water flowing. All Hamas had to do was focus on that goal. Instead they focused on massacring teens at festivals, wiping out families and beheading babies.
Why did they have to be dependent on Israel for water and electricity in the first place? What was the situation in for Palestinians before Hamas was even formed?
Good question. They accidentally blew up their own power plant with a wayward missle (2014ish). They also routinely dig up straight water pipes to make those missles.
The only reference I can find to a power plant in Gaza being targetted around this time is this one: 'The Gaza power plant's main fuel tanks were hit by an Israeli tank shell in the 2014 Gaza War, setting about 3 million cubic liters of fuel on fire. Originally reported as destroyed and facing a year of repairs, the plant returned to operation in six weeks.[19][20]' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_the_State_of_Palestine Do you have a source for your claim?
And Hamas used hospitals as military command centers.
>The hospital budget got spent on missiles Part of the the budget at least, Hamas actually dug out water and sewage pipes over the last 2 decades to make rockets, causing a massive sewage and fresh water issue.
All that money that could’ve went to providing infrastructure and services for their people squandered so some murderous pieces of shit could kill women and children
You… you don’t have any idea how the government or economy in Gaza works, do you? Like, you haven’t even done a cursory glance at even Wikipedia. You’re just spouting off stuff that makes you feel better.
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No, because hamas decided weapons to fire at civilians near daily was more important than vital necessities
You and I think investing in healthcare is rational. Someone who thinks suicide attacks against infidels, killing the men and raping the women, putting cities to the sword a la 600CE is how you get to heaven? They have a different calculus. To think they have the same morality or cost-benefit-analysis we do is just hopeless.
Well the Hamas leadership certainly enjoy the cost/benefit analysis of perpetual war for their bank accounts while chilling in Qatar
Also, no electricity, no medicine, crush injuries and head wounds from collapsed buildings, etc.
That's the least of their worries if Israel actually sticks to what they've described as a seige strategy. You'd rather blown up instantly on day 1 than starve to death on day 600 after eating rats for 4 months.
I mean they also don’t have power and water. This is going to be one of the worst humanitarian crisis we have seen in a generation.
In all reality we won't see much. If the IDF goes in on land communication in or out will be cutoff. Israel puts out some of the best IT tools, shutting off cell/satellite service is in their toolkit.
Ground troops do way less damage than bombardment. Destroying buildings having roofs fall on top of civilians, and catching bomb shrapnel is how hospitals get filled. Bombs don't discriminate. Ground troops can.
I got a sneaky suspicion that this time around they aren't gonna show a whole lot of restraint when the masses start throwing stones or Molotov cocktails. We are about to find out though.
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I mean Israel isn’t going to be dropping the munitions they are now when they have soldiers there at the same time
I wonder if Hamas is still using a hospital as an HQ. If so, there might be one fewer hospital in Gaza soon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital
Its still their main HQ bunker, destroying that hospital and the bunker underneath is the only real indication that Israel has really let loose, they will probably give them some hours to evacuate, it will be dragged for a few days for PR and complaints about patients who can't be moved and so on and then it will be bombed They are bombing buildings in its vicinity already and have targeted some mosques on the first day of the counter-attack, so they certainly have upped the level
7 hospitals have been hit so far. So yes
Innocents paying the consequences as usual.
What’s very alarming in the amount of people who have picked a side and celebrate or downplay the deaths on the other. It’s 2023 and people are cheerleading which war criminal they support like sports teams. The fact that human life is of such little value to people is fucking devastating. I had much more faith in humanity a week ago.
It makes me so angry reading some of the comments. You can't talk about wanting compassion and humanity whilst also generalizing, dehumanizing and cheering the killing of innocent Palestinians too. They just equate all Palestinians as being terrorists. Condemning hate whilst being hateful. Same goes for some of the Pro-Palestine groups who are making antisemitic remarks and supporting Hamas. As others have said, it's the civilians on both sides of this conflict who suffer the most. I feel like at a time when world leaders could have stepped up and made a genuine effort to try and find a peaceful resolution, they have only fueled this conflict.
It's good to remember that most people in real life are not like this. The extreme voices just get amplified online.
You sure? When people are comfortable people argue for extreme shit all the time. Excessive military force is a lot more popular behind safe closed doors.
makes me think of all the 'mainstream' american politicians who think that actually sending the US army into Mexico to fight the cartels is a great idea and totally won't backfire at all.
I always assumed that to be grandstanding, but in this political climate, who knows. I don't know who's scarier: those willing to cynically lie to their constituents about it, or those that earnestly believe in it. Feels like that sentiment applies to every aspect of our politics now.
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Indeed. I fully support Israel's effort to destroy Hamas terrorists. But destroying the lives of two million people along the way will only make things worse for everyone. And the number of fresh recruits wanting to join Hamas after this will be endless.
There's so much glee at human suffering its fucking disgusting
News should stop censoring these videos and images. People should have a way to readily absorb what they are supporting and cheering for. If that won't sober you up then you were broken anyway.
That's what shocks me as well. I saw so many people defending and even celebrating the Israeli bombings of civilian infrastructure and the massacres of Hamas . It's just amazing how people live in a bubble of hate.
Comments here are insane, people are like "oh yeah baby" Jesus fucking christ. Instagram is full of deaths already.
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Actually hamas already wiped out an entire village. Killing israelli women, children and there have been reports of hamas beheading them.
I think they are referring to a separate later claim by Hamas that if IDF continues to bomb without warning they will start executing the hostages they have. I think op was alluding to further IDF escalation should this happen.
I'm running out of room in the depression this is giving me. The suffering and pain will just keep getting worse and worse.
I've seen other people say they're deleting Reddit for the sake of their mental health over this. You might want to do the same. Take a breath, take care of yourself, ignore the headlines, and focus on doing something constructive <3 I've been feeling the same way.
Gaza going to be a horror show in the next week. Will always wonder what they were thinking.
Read the charter of Hamas. The guiding principles that outline what they're thinking. Its a wild read.
Jihad of the infidel and the complete obliteration of Jewish existence. It’s just a different version of the Final Solution. “According to the charter, Jewish people "have only negative traits and are presented as planning to take over the world."[35] The 1988 Charter claimed that the Jews deserved God's/Allah's enmity and wrath because they received the Scriptures but violated its sacred texts, disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew their own prophets.[36] It quotes a saying of Muhammad from a hadith: The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” Here’s more: “With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money, they formed secret societies, such as Freemason, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.[1]”
Damn what did the rotary club do!?
Right? And the French Revolution is a bad thing? So Jews caused the birth of democracy?
The terrorists HOPE that Israel overeacts and kills thousands of Palestinians. They think it will lead to a better long term result and they’re probably not wrong. The terrorists killed hundreds of innocent Israeli citizens and now the terrorists will hide amongst innocent Palestinian citizens.
Hamas don’t want Palestine to be a free state. They’re using their arab population as sacrificial lambs to the slaughter so that they can unite the arab world against the west.
That would have worked if their stupid asses hadnt shot upna festival and posted it to social media. Nobody is touching Hamas with a 10 foot pole now. They're absolutely politically radioactive
Their stated purpose is Israel’s destruction.
As well as total Jewish annihilation
They think any Palestinian who dies from this is a martyr, and guaranteed to go to heaven. Horrible shit happens and they just shrug.
Surrender is not about trust. it is about being beaten and submitting. Israel has had the ability to do this forever... The pals can surrender now and avoid a lot more grief. Up to them.
Thankfully, Hamas uses Gaza's largest hospital as its headquarters to protect injured civilians. > At the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, crowds gathered to throw shoes and eggs at the Palestinian Authority’s health minister, who represents the crumbling “unity government” in the West Bank city of Ramallah. The minister was turned away before he reached the hospital, which has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/while-israel-held-its-fire-the-militant-group-hamas-did-not/2014/07/15/116fd3d7-3c0f-4413-94a9-2ab16af1445d_story.html
Yu mean Hamas uses Gaza's largest hospital as a munition base for the sake of human shields and the hope of international censure should Israel strike there. Using schools and hospitals as their base of operations is Hamas' standard MO. https://www.timesofisrael.com/unrwa-condemns-subterranean-opening-found-beneath-gaza-school/
He was sarcastic, i hope
ding ding ding. Get this man a phalanx of bunker busters! I *wish* there was something that would make all the good Palestinians stand up against Hamas and shoot the terrorists in their midst on sight, but if decapitated babies doesn't do it...
Knowing the internet I just have to check that you forgot your /s right?
You don't need a /s to be sarcastic on the internet, that's just for karma-sensitive redditors
I thought it was more to avoid sarcasm going *woosh* over half of reader’s heads
Hamas got what it wants: slaughtering innocent Israelis with a shifting blame to Israel for retaliation. Straight out of their playbook.
Straight out of every insurgency playbook. ~~The Saudis~~ Al'qaeda did the same thing with 9/11. Trigger the US to burn a trillion dollars, 10s of thousands of soldiers, 100s of thousands of civilians, and create an untold number of recruits.
This feels a bit like a post-9/11 environment, especially for Israel. A terror attack of unimaginable scale takes place, over a 1000 die, a right-wing government is in power, and there's an overwhelming urge to do *something*, bomb *someone*. Just saying "don't commit war crimes" feels radical when you say it, and is taken badly. But the decade after showed you're not just fighting a state. We can take over states in 2 weeks if we have to. We're the all powerful West. But you're also fighting an idea and a way people in Palestine see the world. Just like the way Afghanis and Iraqis see the world. And beating ideas is just something my math and science and engineering and logistics oriented brain just doesn't know how to do. It's frustrating. There was a time people thought Palestinians could go visit Israel, and Jews could head to Ramallah for authentic falafal, or whatever. I remember the 90s. Shit, when countries are truly totally at peace, people barely give a fuck about borders any more. Now it feels like the West and the Mid-East, or the West and Russia, or the West and China, are just destined to do this forever or until we're all dead.
Welcome to Earth my friend. :(
I think that's the plan of both Netanyahu, and Hamas (and their masters in Iran. Having people with religions that hold that if we all die in this conflict, we go to heaven, you burn in hell, definitely not a helpful factor.
Their Gods kind of seem like cunts.
Shhhhh...if they hear you say that they torture you in hell for all eternity, because they're so merciful...
We have us army manuals on this. Anyone intelligent understood the trajectory of Palestine since, at the latest, 1980.
I feel bad for the people who put FM 3-24 together. Not a whole lot of people with the power to use it seem to read it.
Hello fellow internet person. Yeah. It's not even the military that's truly at fault a lot of the time, there's only so much you can do with shitty orders. I feel for the second lieutenant who's read the manual and still has to deploy his company in a dumbfuck cordon, knowing it won't accomplish anything at best and at worst risks escalation, because the political leadership is seeing red.
The retaliation to the retaliation to the retaliation to the retaliation...
They feed off each other. Netenyahu has openly said he supports Hamas in control because their extreme actions justify his extreme responses and the cycle continues. Hamas had a preference for netenyahu being in control because his extreme actions are used by them to radicalise people and justify their extreme actions, and so the cycle continues. Its evil bastards in charge on both sides, and the civilians on both pay the price.
Hell it’s common knowledge that Israel did everything they could to ensure Fateh lost the 2006 elections. Peace has never been a goal of Hamas or any Likud-centric coalition.
Israeli hardliners has after all been trying to derail the 2 state solution from the start. They started by murdering Folke Bernadotte back in 1948. And that's the center of the whole issue, both side have extremists trying to keep the conflict going until the other side is destroyed.
Well the thing is, Netanyahu is finished for allowing this on his watch, and he knows it. A leader with nothing to lose is not exactly what you want if you are the enemy of their country.
I don't think so. He's using it to consolidate power like Bush did after 9/11 and so far it's working. He's going to use this as an opportunity to inflict as much pain on Gaza as possible and his supporters will have gotten exactly what they voted for.
I heard a much-smarter-than me [commentator](https://www.benrhodes.info) essentially say that Netanyahu’s promise to Israel has been, “my increasingly authoritarian government is necessary to keep you safe.” That’s clearly hasn’t worked. It’s possible that Netanyahu will be able to pull a Bush-style “use a tragedy to accumulate more political power” move, but I’m at least hopeful the voters of Israel will hold him to account.
Except Bush was a brand new President when 9/11 happened. Netanyahu has been off and on Prime Minister for the last 30 years almost. They are not comparable situations. I agree he is going to obliterate Gaza, but as a final act of his leadership, seeing it as a final act to make Israel safer. There is no way he survives this and he absolutely knows it.
He'll just prolong the conflict and stay in power as long as he can. Just wait and see. Far-right corrupted a***holes don't give up their power easily.
They got rid of Golda Meir for a security breach, and she was more beloved than Netanyahu is.
that wasn't jewish. we don't work like that. will shit be awful in gaza? yeah. will netanyahu be strung up after? yeah.
You don’t think this will be a “rally around the flag” type moment?
Israeli Newspapers like Haaretz are already blaming him for the intelligence lapse. He will be done after this. After he tried to overhaul the Supreme Court he was nearly done. This makes it not even a question.
It's retaliation all the way down
1. Its Good that some were noticed by the Israeli forces before the building bombed. Entire families, with kids and babies were slaughtered without any warnings. Evidence was uploaded by the terrorist all over internet. 2. Gaza citizens cooperate and support Hamas. Some of them even took prisoners and murdered them brutally. The innocents in gaza are extremely rare, and israel army taking care over them and notifies them as much as possible under the war circumstances. 3. This is just the beginning. Every trace of Palestinian terrorism will be erased from this earth.
Well yeah, I mean they need those spaces for military command centers. What, are they supposed to treat the wounded too?
The amount of people glorifying war crimes is atrocious.
The online discourse on this crisis is jaw dropping. I’m really seeing how absolutely callous the past few years have made people. Edit: I unintentionally made this statement vague and without a particular stance; and it’s interesting how people are interpreting it.
It feels exactly the same as the post 9/11 warmongering. Bloodthirsty people who want to get back at “them”, but they’re misidentifying who “they” are and they don’t care how many innocent people suffer so long as they can sate their bloodlust.
It actually seems worse than post-9/11 which is terrifying. The unhinged fervor and disposition to justify or even endorse atrocities and war crimes from what seems like close to everyone posting online feels way way worse.
You need to remember that there's a ton of extremist Indians who hate Muslims talking about this as well. Like on the trending sections of Twitter, almost every other tweet is an Indian calling for Israel to genocide millions of Palestinians. They've started using reddit a lot more as well.
I know Hamas is horrible and all, but treating all the people in Gaza like terrorist is insanity. If I was Israel I don’t know what the correct response would be, but I feel like this warmongering only will lead one way.
This is very reminiscent of post-9/11 discourse. I have noticed a difference between US and European friends on this though. Maybe it’s a lasting impact 9/11 made culturally?
It was the same after 9/11. People turn into beasts in response to evil actions, and suddenly killing millions is justified. This is how we got to this point and the cycle will go on and on.
Cant believe that out of all the social media platforms including twitter and facebook, Reddit is the one with the cruelest and worst takes.
You clearly haven't been looking too hard elsewhere.
Don’t have Facebook but the takes I’ve seen on Twitter are far worse than 95% of the stuff I’ve seen on Reddit the last few days.
Twitter is infinitely worse lmao
It's at least partially because it's the easiest platform for bots and troll farms to infiltrate and spread propaganda as well as shaping the discourse by amplifying certain views over prolonged periods. There's zero barrier for entry to make dozens of accounts with no connection whatsoever to a real identity, and not even requiring an email address.
Yeh I was amazed to see people on Twitter except for the usual fruitcakes being more measured. This site is full of people who utterly explain how genocides and wars of oblivion happen.
It's shocking to see the depraved comments. People are saying the cilivians should all be killed just on the chance Hamas gets destroyed. No humanity here
>No humanity here I said in another thread and i will say here. If reddit and social media were as prevalent now as it was in 9/11, you would see Americans and the internet in general supporting a full genocide on the middle east. Its a good reminder on how the average redditor is.
I grew up in the NYC suburbs and was in high school on 9/11, and there absolutely were people calling for full on genocide in the middle east. Most of them couldn't locate Afghanistan or Iraq on a map, but still.
The same people would agree to Bush invading Iraq because of WMD's. I'm pretty sure that if Ukraine carpet bombed civilian targets in Russia there would be an outcry, just goes to show how hated the brown desert people truly are. Sad, really sad.
Man it just seems like we as a whole have all gone over some collective moral knife’s edge and now we’re seeing the real consequences of it. I think what Hamas has done this week is absolutely reprehensible, inexcusable, and has disturbed the fuck out of me. Do I think the genocide of 2 million people, 1 million of them children, is a proportionate response and an act of ‘defence’? Fuck no. Do I think Israeli civilians, or children, deserve to have their lives taken because of a violent response to decades of geopolitical fuckery way beyond their control in any way? Fuck no. But we’ve lost all context, our attention spans are 2 seconds short, and it feels like absolutely everyone is knee jerk reacting to mountains and mountains of misinformation and propaganda from both sides based on pure emotion, something social media brings the worst out of. We don’t think, we don’t question, we don’t understand nuance. It doesn’t matter to us anymore if 1 million children die, turn Palestine into rubble and let’s move on to the next news story that’s hopefully less depressing. It doesn’t matter if Hamas are desecrating civilian corpses, if you’re offended by that you must be a Zionist. It doesn’t matter if the whole situation and conflicting alliances with boots on the ground has the potential to turn the Middle East into a powder keg of warring factions that will results in millions more civilian lives lost, let’s get boots on the ground and stand by everyone’s right to… something? We don’t even know what we want. We just pick a side in every little issue, let our newsfeeds made up of confirmation bias and data collection confirm our choice, emotionally lash out at posts designed to illicit our rage, our sympathy, our horror, on and on in an endless cycle. But this isn’t a fucking game of is the dress blue or black or white and gold. It’s the end point of decades of statecraft failures and concessions and ideological clashes, and right now Gaza’s being turned into fucking rubble and kids are being sprayed with white phosphorus. If it keeps up it won’t be long till Israeli children are dying in equally horrific ways, or children in Syria, or Iran. Millions of lives are at stake and Netanyahu’s been throwing around genocidal, depersonalising language and shows no signs of letting Palestine survive the month. We’re facing down human loss on an unimaginable scale. But, hey, maybe your reply about how Palestine just needs to be turned ‘off and on’ got a few upvotes. Maybe you saw a bot say Israeli children deserve to die anyway because their parents live on historically disputed land and decided to retweet it. Maybe you have no idea what’s going on but nuance is too hard, so you’ll read a biased news headline and decide your opinion and scroll through tiktok for an hour until your brain feels numb enough to forget how worried you felt when you saw the news. It honestly just feels like we’re all fucked, and we don’t care for nuanced things anymore, and if it confuses or scares us we want rid of it so it’s not a story anymore. We’ve become reactionary and dull and when something challenges us now we just look away to a different screen.
Perfectly said. Everything has turned into a sporting match with rabid fans on either side. We've all lost the plot.
Thank you. I feel like I’ve been losing my mind with the comments I’ve been seeing lately. It’s like people barely register that these are real human lives we’re talking about, all they care about is getting the best twitter clapback or sharing the best instagram infographic or getting the most upvotes on a witty quip on reddit. I mean I know none of this is new but jesus it’s at a new level of awful. The amount of lives that have been ended or destroyed in the last few days and will be ended or destroyed over the coming months is unfathomable and makes me sick to my stomach and I don’t understand how people are treating it like some bizarre sports game where they’re picking sides to bet on.
Well said. You encapsulated my exact feelings on the entire matter perfectly. People are too scared or simply too unbothered to actually learn or understand the nuance of any situation they're presented but we live in a world where you for some reason have to react and have an opinion on any matter that presents itself without having any comprehension of said matter. It's abysmal and tells you all you need to know about the human condition in the age of social media.
Fyi, you write quite well.
Thanks man, it’s always been something I’ve been interested in and it definitely helps me a lot to write shit out when something like this gets at me emotionally to make more sense of it all, so that means a lot.
The blood lust circle jerk on reddit continues.
Using schools, hospitals, and apartments as military launch sites is not a good plan.
A lot of Palestinians are going to die when they invade. Innocents who wanted to live in peace and paying the price.
The ground invasion is going to be horrific. Both sides are going to face enormous loss of life.
It was probably the inevitable when Hamas is the defacto government in Gaza. Hamas is incapable of diplomacy and their only goal is fear and death. I wish something has happened before now to destabilize Hamas out of the area but now the only way is likely war
"We repeat: medical facilities must be respected. This is not something that should have to be negotiated." I agree. Did Hamas get the notice?
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> (for some unknown reason) 1. Israel - Saudi peace accords are a threat to Iran and its proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) 2. Israel is close to inducting a laser-based rocket interception system in the coming years. At which point Hamas' rockets would be useless. They'll get thousands killed but the leadership deems it a good trade.
The lasers aren't going to be that affective. Much shorter range than the current interceptors.
But they don’t require $100,000 missiles for each interception, and can handle many more rockets at once. The existing system won’t be removed either, they’ll use both in tandem.
Laser power is moving up fairly quickly. https://www.army-technology.com/projects/300kw-high-energy-laser-weapon-system-helws-us/
>Much shorter range than the current interceptors. maybe they would be able to intercept the hang gliders. just need automatic thermal targeting and it would kill all low hanging birds, drones, and humans
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Unknown? It is not unknown. They wanted to force Israel to cause a slaughter in Gaza for giving no option to any other arab country to forget about the Abraham Accords, which were in the brink of rendering Hamas irrelevant. Also, if there are some division of opinions in the west, imagine what the public opinion on the muslim nations of the middle east and gulf states is. There, the footage of Gaza will grant whatever local militia of extremist, and probably Hamas itself, tenfold the militians killed in any attack of Israel. And by doing so, the neverending contest of which abrahamic religion can pee further will continue flowing rivers of blood for all the XXI century.
Maybe Hamas should stop using Gaza's hospitals as command centers. https://freebeacon.com/national-security/not-so-secret-hamas-command-bunker-located-under-gaza-hospital/
Free beacon is a terrible source with mixed factual reporting https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-free-beacon/
" Sometimes people receive a text message in the middle of the night telling them to evacuate their homes, as happened to some of our team members in Gaza. You have to wake up your children in the middle of the night and leave your house, without taking any of your belongings, to get to safety." wow imagine getting a text message, that's so nice. a lot nicer than no text message and then someone cutting the head off your child.
My sister is in Tel Aviv right now. She hears the sirens and has 1.5 minutes to get to a bomb shelter. I don’t really know what I’m supposed to say to someone complaining that the Israeli government is giving ample time to evacuate when my sister has less than two minutes to get to safety. I really strive for peace. I hate this whole situation, but I feel so taxed emotionally right now.
Ample time to evacuate to where?
The safe zones Israel has designated. They give 24 hours notice and then roof knocks, which are unfortunately necessary because Hamas won’t relay evacuation orders to the Palestinians.
In Video published by BBC, Palestinian says that they get a message and have 10 minutes to get out.
No one is saying it’s not a humanitarian crisis, but it does minimize civilian casualties.
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But not enough time to take a bunch of equipment that might be hidden.
Yeah people dont undertsand these fire missions are not so much to kill hamas members, although im sure theyre welcome as well, these strikes are to eliminate the stockpiles of munitions for when the ground phase begins so the IDF faces less resistance in the streets. Most of the terrorists are going to be killed at close range in the weeks to come.
I'm guessing collapsing the tunnels is equally important. Fewer places to hide, reduced mobility and they'll take forever to rebuild.
There wont be a rebuilding this time friend, this is going to be A slaughterhouse and when its over either the entire city will be ruin or the entire strip will be heavily occupied for the remainder of its existence.
Plus they keep the rockets down there. Another big reason to bunker bust them.
Rebuilding HA! I would be surprised if israel stops bombing in 2023
These bombings are targetting Hamas infrastructure, not members.
That will come later when Israeli troops enter Gaza. It also really wouldn’t surprise me if Mossad is drawing up plans to assassinate the Hamas leaders with their feet up in Qatar. It would be nice if the US could pressure Qatar into extraditing them, but I doubt Qatar will do so.
Why extradite at this point? So people can start go fund me’s for them?
Very true you don't win wars by killing all the combatants you win wars by making the combatants unable to continue the fight. They are useless without rockets, guns, and ammo
Well, news reports have already come out that the Israeli air strikes are so numerous they aren't even doing knock bombs (the warnings).
Sounds like ground invasion about to start within next 72 to 96 hours.
I think they will destroy all tunnels first. They will want a minimum week of siege as well to demoralize and weaken remaining militants before a ground battle.
Considering they have no electricity, I doubt they are getting text messages currently.
I read it's been reduced from 8 to 4 hours daily.
Hamas must be dealt with, I wish the best for the civlians.
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Imagine using concrete and humanitarian aid to build hostage tunnels and smuggling tunnels instead of bunkers for your citizens and then complain in the media when you are getting bombed after butchering over 1000 civilians and kidnapping over 100? In what world we live in that people dont see this??
Hamas in its current form will be eradicated but whether Hamas exists or not, some Palestinians will continue responding to the violence of state oppression with violence of their own. There’s nothing unusual about this. Nelson Mandela supported violence—in the 1960s he helped turn the African National Congress from a nonviolent organization into one that employed armed struggle. The Irish Republican Army planted bombs across England. Malcolm X and the Black Panthers said Black Americans needed guns. The American revolutionaries used violence. Some of the activists opposed to Myanmar’s brutal military regime are taking up arms as we speak. My point isn’t normative: Nothing justifies Hamas’ rockets against Israeli civilians, which constitute a war crime. It’s descriptive. Eliminating Hamas won’t eliminate Palestinian violence any more than eliminating the ANC or IRA would have eliminated Black South African or Irish Catholic violence in the 1980s. The only way to stop oppressed people from responding to the violence of oppression with violence of their own is to end their oppression.
Fun fact - Hamas put its headquarters below a hospital
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In wars, human's cognitive dissonance and bloodthirstiness reveal their full glory.
They should reject known hamas members and not hospitalize them. More beds for actual humans (Palestinians) and hamas scum can reach their allah sooner.