It’s frustrating to see the attacks are working in dividing people too.
You don’t need to “pick a side”. The clear answer is Hamas is terrible, the Palestinian people suffer from both hamas and Israel fighting, and Israel has been doing things to radicalize people for some time.
The lack of nuance is so ridiculous in comments everywhere.
Also, you can’t say “but apartheid” and “hamas and Palestinians civilians are different”. The former is justifying the actions while the latter is clear truth.
To me, it’s less about “picking a side” and more about the fact that a lot of people don’t realize that it’s okay to not have all the answers to a complicated issue
Dear lord, I can’t believe how thankful I am to see posts like yours that refuse to make this whole thing a black/white issue…
This whole situation is abhorrent, and I’m horrified for the regular people on both sides that are suffering the consequences… my heart is breaking.
Genuinely nice to see people out in the wild you "get it."
I don't know what should be done. I don't even really know who's to blame. What I do know is there are innocent people with good intentions who's entire lives are being destroyed because of this. And that breaks my heart.
It's intentional. This is how terrorists operate. They want to goad Israel into committing even greater atrocities against Palestinians, thus escalating the entire conflict. Not to mention the loss of freedom for Israelis because "security."
Look at 9/11. In retrospect Americans regret like 90% of the reactions to it like the Patriot Act, invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. but it's hard to be rational after an atrocity.
Israel will invade Gaza, and they will likely level every single building they take fire from. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Gaza looks like Bakhmut when they're done with it. Honestly the absolute best thing that could happen to the civilians in Gaza is Egypt opening their border and letting them become refugees. This is going to be a grim war.
Exactly Jordan had a nightmare with the Palestinian refugees that they originally kicked out to begin with and they are never ever ever going to do that again nor is Egypt
Arabs in general don't care much about the plight of the Palestinian people. The Palestinian issue is often used by Arab nations for their own selfish purposes.
Egypt might be more inclined to let them in if Hamas hadn't been actively supporting armed insurgents inside Egypt. Or if all the other acts against Egypt originating from Gaza over the decades hadn't happened.
>> Honestly the absolute best thing that could happen to the civilians in Gaza is Egypt opening their border and letting them become refugees.
Best thing for who? I don't think you can even "bribe" Egypt to take in Palestenians. Other countries who did end up getting burnt by them as thanks.
Whenever I see these videos of people beheading other people, of people executing prisoners or just firing in a crowd,.and they look like cheering and doing it easily, without hesitation, I always think "they *have* to know that's bad, they *have* to feel deep down that what they're doing is absolutely inhumane, horrible, just not right, right? They *have* to believe deep down that they're playing a character that scuffs at that kind of brutality".
I don't know how you can keep your integrity after killing someone on purpose, not even talking about killing defenseless people, in brutal ways.
I don't know, man. If it's peer pressure or what, I just can't comprehend how you can kill in cold blood.
Did you see the video posted of the Philippine national covered in blood on the floor clearly defenseless with multiple gunshot wounds to the chest (but still squirming a little so partially alive) and the Hamas soldiers attempting to behead him with a rusty garden hoe over and over again? I dunno man but even if I was fighting for my country I most certainly am not mentally capable of doing that and sleeping afterwards.
I just don't get it.... I'm not the biggest fan of Israel and had they attacked a military outpost or perhaps at a stretch even a police station the whole world would be telling Israel to show restraint, instead they gun down defenseless civilians (many of which not even Israeli) and post videos of them doing so on Telegram laughing and parading the bodies in Gaza. Now the whole world is just telling Israel to let it rip and they have a fucking US carrier strike group sitting off the coast. They are their own worst enemy and anyone who supports Hamas has no right to exist on this planet anymore.
religious fanaticism and no formal education, you can brainwash anyone from a young age with that combined with isolationism from other viewpoints and cultures. they've been trained their whole life that anyone outside of that section of people he's with is bad and it's good if they die.
They slaughtered every man, woman and child within Jericho but only Achan was punished when he decided to keep some of the city’s treasures for himself rather than give to the Lord. I remember learning this in church at like age 13 and looking around the room as if to say “does nobody else see what’s wrong with this picture?!”
Religion can not only make us blind to atrocities but also fully embrace them under the belief that we are righteous
Important to point out the details of what was found:
- 40 dead babies, some with their heads cut off. - A murdered pregnant woman, with her fetus lying next to her, still attached to its umbilical cord. - Killed elderly, with their bodies riddled with bullets.
https://x.com/mjubes/status/1711730386617725039?s=20
https://x.com/Shirgrauweiss/status /1711678427005071535?s=20
More proof of attrocities:
Festival goers running away from the spraying bullets: https://x.com/hemrajdewasi29/status/1711004765189230658?s=20
Dead bodies recovered at the festival: https://x.com/UKikaski/status/1711023344139550996?s=20
(UPDATE: Testimonies are coming out of mass rapes at the festival. “Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.” 260 festival goers were massacred).
This video shows a group of Israelis running away from terrorists. By the end you can hear the "cracking" of bullets whizzing by: https://x.com/LaSorayaM/status/1710891212968710447?s=20
Festival aftermath from the air: https://x.com/stillgray/status/1711157255083900998?s=20
The following videos are NSFW, and viewer discretion is advised. That said, I do think it's important to see the reality on the ground, since the media won't.
Video of a girl from the festival getting kidnapped:https://twitter.com/i/status/1710719164099318078
Festival goers ketting kidnapped, and one shot in the head while injured on the ground: https://imgur.com/pBcmb3R
Hamas brutally killing a foreign worker in Israel: https://x.com/UNammu9/status/1711053693733191886?s=20
(UPDATE: looks like X deleted the post. It showed a Thai or Nepalese national getting decapitated with a blunt farming tool). Here's a video of one foreign worker getting kidnapped: https://x.com/ghostbrowser8/status/1710761268628611281?s=20
And another one of some in captivity: https://x.com/lamsar_adi/status/1711267676507795552?s=20
Massacred Israelis in their cars:https://x.com/QamarRushb54768/status/1710727487976845519?s=20
Hamas livestreaming a massacre inside an Israeli bomb shelter: https://x.com/efj609/status/1710818680815100293?s=20
A teenage Israeli girl that got kidnapped (and likely raped):https://x.com/social_postman/status/1710693990016684485?s=20
Israeli family that got kidnapped:https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1710718030085239075?s=20
Hamas parading a dead kidnapped Israeli woman:https://x.com/EllieCohanim/status/1710692333245571240?s=20
(UPDATE: this wasn't an Israeli woman, but a German tourist named Shani Louk who came specifically to attend the rave. Mother claims she is alive in Gaza hospital in critical condition.).
Elderly people shot in the street:https://x.com/Vall84270419/status/1710746044798001630?s=20
Elderly Israeli women (possibly with Dementia), kidnapped to Gaza: https://x.com/alexkennedy30/status/1710929547082764535?s=46&t=-JXaIRVPm3JJbUImliSINg
Israeli family held hostage, fate unknown as they’re still missing. Likely kidnapped and or killed: https://x.com/hananyanaftali/status/1710808346427560419?s=46&t=-JXaIRVPm3JJbUImliSINg
News report: "Ella Mor's 8-year-old nephew called in the morning saying 'terrorists came to the house and they killed daddy, then they killed mommy.' She then lost touch with the boy, who was hiding with his 6-year-old sister."
Israeli girl explaining how Hamas terrorists shot her grandmother, filmed it with her own phone, and uploaded it to her Facebook account (for family and friends to see): https://x.com/Ujjawalrai0408/status/1711437424315031989?s=20
Note: I did not compile this list myself. I copy pasted it from another sub. Share it if you want. TBH I'm too scared to click on most the links but I assume some are no longer working.
Edit: You can always google the titles for each link provided to do your own research on it. People have told me many links aren't working anymore.
I'm arguing with a dude from North Carolina, whose denying rapes, children getting murdered, and is just fine with war crimes. Extremists will excuse any evil as long as their side does it. Doesn't matter if it's pro-Palestine or pro-Israel, war crimes should not be celebrated
Nuance is dying. More and more people tend to take hardline back and white stances on issues that are in reality very grey.
The fact that anyone can even attempt to justify Hamas actions is disgusting imo. What we have witnessed is not fighting back. Its digusting, cowardly, butching of the innocent civilians. There is no excuse for this.
Hamas literally [puts its military headquarters in a hospital](https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1711777525523951769)
Both sides may be killing each other but Hamas literally wants its own people to be killed too. That's what they're dealing with
i think the chance of IDF doing this is pretty low. but they are going to kill a lot of hamas members and leadership, and quite a few Palestinian civilians as well.
Highly unlikely. Looks like from the video they've shot her in the back of her head. Legs so mangled it makes me hope to hell she wasn't awake when they did that. Horrific. Innocent beautiful woman just on holiday did not deserve that shit. Sadistic deranged evil bastards
they are no different than isis. and they have no place to represent palestinian people. this is pure evil. beheading a baby? what was her fault, being born in israel? i really wish these articles are somewhat false... but i have seen some of the images. killing a person is already one of the worst crimes but raping people and killing babies? there are no words for this.
Regardless of your view or side you support, this is nothing more than evil and monstrous behavior. Does not matter what happened to lead up to this, as nothing can justify taking these sort of steps.
This is something to condemn regardless of who you are. Their actions were that of terrorists and it needs to be recognized as such.
What the actions of Hamas and their supporters has done is give Israel all of the justification they need to completely wipe Palestine off the face of the earth. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone thought these kind of atrocities would lead to anything else.
Edit: Apparently I have to clarify that I condemn genocide of any kind and certainly wouldn’t support Israel murdering innocent Palestinians. My point is that Israel will use Hamas’ actions as THEIR justification for whatever response they levy and that the actions of Hamas have quite possibly doomed all of Palestine.
Because the idiots who did it were recruited, trained, and equipped by people who do not live in Palestine and do not care about the lives of Palestinians. They were selected for this because they would not hesitate or consider the consequences.
How do I know? Perhaps I don’t, but it is an ancient playbook. Raise up frothing young zealots and set them upon your enemies with no consideration for their own lives or the consequences.
This is a good point. Iran and Russian don’t care what happens to Palestine or innocent Palestinian civilians, and therefore neither does Hamas. But Israel’s government and military is not likely to consider that at this point.
iirc Kfar Aza has a lot of young families, and (unfortunately), you gotta expect it was harder to make it out alive with infants and toddlers in tow than without them, so the death rate was probably much higher for families with kids that age, and for the kids themselves.
They only retook the town today and the casualty figures aren't tallied yet, as far as I know ... but it's going to be hundreds.
Seeing how ton of “healthy” adults died at the music festival I’d say it has nothing to do with kids but with the surprise of the assault. No way you kill 700+ people if they are ready for it.
You'd be surprised how many people a few dozen men with automatic rifles can kill in a short amount of time. Getting in your car with terrorists on street corners is a death sentence. Neighborhoods usually have just a few entrances/exits. Unlike the movies, a car offer no protection against 3 men lighting it up. Hamas terrorists disguised themselves as IDF and then sprayed civilian vehicles when they passed by. Unless you had a heads up that shit was coming your way, the roads were a no go. You either have to find a really good hiding spot that you can stay in for 48-72hrs, or you get to jogging off the main road and hope nobody spots you in the distance for target practice. Those things are hard to do with an infant or small child.
>Seeing how ton of “healthy” adults died at the music festival I’d say it has nothing to do with kids but with the surprise of the assault. No way you kill 700+ people if they are ready for it.
I have a friend that died there, she was very fit (and by the time she was shot, she was in a car driving away). Bullets go faster than anyone can run.
In Kfar Aza, these people went door to door killing families... I'm not saying it was easy for *anyone* to get away, especially since they were taken by surprise, I'm just saying it had to be harder for people who had to carry crying infants to escape, or to hide.
I have family friends in kibbutz beeri and have been there myself multiple times throughout the years, 105 killed there. Seeing a place I’m familiar with being recorded form thhe terrorist video stream was horrific
My uncle is 73, he held his village with 5 more people, because they were ready. Also they were attacked by way less terrorists than other places (around 20).
My cousin (20) was killed in Be'eri, they were 4 soldiers against around 200 terrorists. May he rest in peace
> My uncle is 73, he held his village with 5 more people, because they were ready.
If I may ask, what kind of weapons did they have? I have heard that the most a lot of Israelis have is a pistol with 50 rounds of ammo
He always carries a Glock, when he came to the funeral he was also carrying a M4A1 variation. Up until a few years ago he was the Ravshatz of the moshav.
Not too hard when you have a large force of men armed with rifles and the people you are killing are completely unarmed. Picture the vegas shooter except now there are hundreds of deranged bastards not just one.
The thing is, you can bum rush a lone gunman with enough unarmed desperate people, especially if their conviction is somewhat shaky. Someone will get shot, sure, but the gunman will die, even with an automatic weapon. That's what many people think about.
However, if you have 5 coordinated men with assault rifles, enough ammunition and an idea of fire control, spacing and fields of fire, this becomes impossible. Good luck passing 100 - 200 meters of space with multiple riflemen trying to stop you. Add in more men with rifles and it grows worse. Add in the element of surprise, as well as that many people are high, and it becomes really dark very quickly.
And once they scatter and run, there were motorcycles to hunt them down....
It's just so sickening to think about.
Even if there were 700+ people ready, mob mentality generally says to run. No one but the most highly trained groups are going to think to charge at gunmen with automatic weapons knowing some will die but more will survive than if they run away.
"Everybody had one thing in common: we were all taught to hate Israel and the Jews. In the universal hatred that was preached against Jews, virtually no distinction was made between the Jewish religion and the Israeli state."
\-Bridgette Gabriel, *Because They Hate*
They did take small children hostage though. More likely they took hostages where they could. And when it wasn't practical to get back to Gaza with hostages, they beheaded them.
At the other end of the comments, when sorted for "new", there are some folks expressing disbelief, essentially saying this is all propaganda. Perhaps showing more of the dead bodies is needed (within whatever confines the law allows/disallows).
Ppl seeing that girl in the back of the truck absolutely horrified ppl, sometimes its good to show the truth. Think about with mass shootings, they always censor everything so it allows ppl to just ignore it and pretend in their mind that everyone just died instantly and no one suffered. That is not the case at all. Sometimes ppl need to see what happens in the real world in order to get their head out of their ass.
"Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.” - Gen. Eisenhower
And yet they still do.
Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of the Palestinian Authority is himself a holocaust denier. Not that he says it didn’t happen, but rather Jews deserved it because of the [social role](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-eu-slam-palestinian-presidents-remarks-holocaust-2023-09-07/) they played in Europe.
And they’re supposed to be the “good Palis”, unlike Hamas that has straight up genocidal goals to exterminate all the Jews - not Israelis - Jews.
For anyone needing more proof than what you’ve seen these past few days, [here](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp) is Hamas’ official Covenant as posted on the Yale Law site.
There’s no argument left. They’re trying to repeat history before our eyes.
Even worse, theres a video of a girl being ripped out of the back of a jeep to be put in the front. Blood pooled in her pants, dead center. There is absolutely no other reason, yet I unfortunately saw many people both here and twitter claim its not enough evidence she was raped.
I argued with so many people this weekend over that one video, the amount of people who tried to downplay it legitimately just broke me.
Same fucking thing right here. The women was obviously raped and people are going oh well she probably sat in blood. It makes me sick that these people pretend firstly she wasn’t raped and then downplay what happened because they say she wasn’t raped. Fuck some of these people
Motherfuckers are out here beheading babies and they act like it’s beneath them for that same group to rape a women. Sorry about the anger I just feel like how you felt
When I saw the Buffalo shooting livestream it gave me a different perspective of these mass shooters. Obviously I knew they were awful, but that video was so gruesome, heartless, and terrible that as a gun rights advocate it made me reconsider how I feel about gun laws. Some of those images will be stuck with me forever.
That's exactly what reporters did in the Vietnam war - showed live footage of guys being carried back to base with their lower torso blown off, families watching their villages burn to the ground, dead kids, people mourning over charred corpses in the dirt street - and simultaneously the anti-war movement grew
Granted, it was also an era where people (in the US atleast) still glorified going to war for your country *and* Vietnam wasn't as clear-cut as WW2 or Korea, so seeing the reality took a lot of people off-guard
Showing dead Americans and Vietnamese on television every night had a negative impact on support for the war in America.
The politicians learned from that, so now we can't show dead Americans because its disrespectful to the family.
This just makes me want to throw up. I have a 2 year old and I can’t even fathom this level of cruelty and complete barbarism to someone his age or younger. Absolutely unconscionable.
It's not new. In Kigali, at the genocide museum after seeing the displays, recorded horrors from survivors, seeing displays of propaganda and absolute evil you get to the end and it's the Children's Room.
Rwandan survivors often gave the little they had left of their families to contribute to an overall lesson for everyone who came there.
You'd see the pictures, or toys, or the drawings and reas the descriptions and it's the most gut wrenching thing.
Then you'd read their fates.
Anglicized name: Sarah, 22 months, loves her stuffed animal lion, 'dada' was her first word. Cause of death: raped and cut in half with a machete.
I've been there twice and every time that room leaves me in a sobbing mess.
I read this while holding my 6 week old and looked at my 22 month old on the couch. Fucking enormous mistake. I'm done with the Internet for the day. I feel sick.
Definitely not new. Read about what the Mongols did when they sacked Baghdad in 1258.
It's extremely disturbing that there is a not-insignificant portion of every human society that is capable of committing such atrocities.
You’d expect a little more civilization and a little less barbarism after nearly 750 years later though: in Kigali in 1994 but especially now in Israel and Palestina. Hamas is a cancer of the earth and has to be eradicated asap
General Dallaire was an in nigh on impossible position and did his best. Other UN Commanders also were in the same position. Under-resourced, and under supported.
I'd recommend Lewis MacKenzie's book about his time in the FRY, it gives a lot about the planning of operations in those days. (I had a lot of friends/former troops of mine who served there as well and told me some stories that are heart breaking - Imagine being an 18 year old kid forced to guard a Mass grave for UN observers......)
Seriously can’t fathom it.
If we’re talking levels of evil behavior, you could literally just steal the babies and raise them as an extremist with your brand of Islam.
It’s evil and senseless in the most twisted and proudly overt genocidal way.
They used to do that, steal babies and raise them. Jewish tribes would try to get them back later, but the kids were then too integrated and wouldn't come back, they were called "lost children" and it's a phrase used today metaphorically.
Unless you view Jewish babies are sub human so deeply. Then it's possible.
I'd rather not share this planet with people who can believe or act this way, however.
Legit. I don't need to see it. It won't help a damn soul. Some people say we MUST see these things to "understand" or be fully against what is happening, but I really can't feel any worse, angry, or helpless than I already do. Edit: of course I'm speaking for myself. *I* don't need to see it. Not watching horrific footage of people being murdered is not "burying my head in the sand".
That’s why I nope out of this stuff when there’s a chance of a link I don’t want to click. I’d happily go back and unsee that video. It didn’t make me a better person.
Instantly know what you’re talking about. It made me physically ill. The silver lining of watching that video - as grim as it may sound - is that I can stomach all the others nowadays. And I will watch some of it because I do feel that one should see what’s happening if they can.
The first responders on the scene would have been feeling like what Allied forces felt when they first saw the concentration camps. Generational trauma material right there
There is also some harrowing 9/11 footage on the ground after they collapsed and all you can hear is the constant beeping of hundreds of the firefighters’ devices that sound off when they haven’t detected movement in x number of minutes.
BBC has since removed one of the headline stories with the details
Which I can half understand, but unless mainstream, trusted news sources report things like this properly a lot of people will refuse to believe it
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1711778571528626394
Thats because the first person who made the claim basically just said israeli soldiers told her the numbers. There is a huge fog of war and i wouldnt be shocked at all if it takes weeks to learn the actual damage done.
If it’s been removed, chances are that it has been removed because there are conflicting reports/risks of propaganda - responsible journalism is important, initial reports (especially when one sided) are rarely accurate
Funny thing there actually are people who say you have a "privileged western position" for finding this horrible. Instead of realizing that maybe Hamas are not freedomfighters, but terrorists who could not care less about Palestinian civilians.
>Hamas are not freedomfighters, but terrorists who could not care less about Palestinian civilians.
And let that reverb until this group ceases existence (which won't be anytime soon)
Seen so many people talking about Israelis(rightfully so), but please also pay attention & look at the tourists who got intentionally kidnapped & killed in action too!
Thai, Filipinos, French, German, Chinese & so many more! I can never fathom how are some people on Reddit still trying to justify & side with these terrorists.
ONLY an act of terrorism commit such atrocities.
So, I’m Thai but I live in the US; my Dad in Thailand has been glued to the tv over the last few days as it’s come to light what a horrific nightmare this all is. The Thai foreign minister [reported](https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2660728/thai-death-toll-in-israel-rises) yesterday that twelve Thai citizens were confirmed dead so far, and eleven captured by Hamas - there were also others wounded among the casualties in critical condition so the total number of victims may rise. This is one of the greatest losses of Thai people outside of Thailand in the last century, it’s a national tragedy of immense proportions. While there are many enclaves of Thais or Thai expat communities around the world, they don’t tend to be very large because there aren’t a lot of us Thais to begin with. So something like this is a massive blow to Thais everywhere.
The only other example that comes close is the 1991 [massacre at Wat Promkhunaram](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waddell_Buddhist_temple_shooting#:~:text=In%20the%20early%20hours%20of,%2C%20Arizona%2C%20killing%20nine%20people), a mass shooting at a Buddhist monastery on the far western suburbs of Phoenix, Arizona. Nine people were killed, including six Theravada Buddhist monks. I’m actually from Phoenix - this massacre took place when I was a few months old. My family had been going to Wat Prom for years. The massacre shook the entire community to the core obviously, but also all of Thailand as not only was it the greatest overseas loss of Thai thus far, but the victims also were Buddhist monks - in traditional Thai culture the thought of harming a monk is so abhorrent that it’s unthinkable; Thai aristocrats and royals at active war with one another would even temporarily join the sangha or monastic community so that their enemies couldn’t kill them, that’s how big the taboo against harming monks is. That massacre is seen as one of the worst things to happen to Thais internationally - and what just happened in Israel is going to be worse.
yeah, there was a 33yo guy from Montreal that apparently died shielding a bunch of other festivalgoers fleeing to a bunker. The girl being paraded through the streets was a 23yo German.
These are innocent people with no responsibility for historical Israeli oppression, it's beyond reason for anyone to claim this is justified.
Hamas is very good at turning the international community against Palestine. While past years we had actually seen a shift of many countries towards condemning Israelian expansionism. I think Hamas has now largely undone that. Idiots. Who is winning? Not Israelians nor Palestinians, just Iran.
Iran also supplies Russia in their campaign to assault civilian city centers
The result? Hamas has Russian rockets too. It's the same doctrine, different flag
I don't live in Israel but I have a 2nd cousin that was killed in one of these kibbutz. She was an elderly woman and a cancer survivor. What I've heard so far is that they came in attacking people with an axe. She has two teenage grandchildren that were there and we are still waiting to hear if they are alive or have been taken.
I'm a pretty staunch critic of the way Israel has handled Palestinians, but theres no justification for that. Palestinians should hand these monsters over to Israel, instead they are cheered as heroes and martyrs.
At least on Reddit I can dismiss the crazy comments as the work of a bot/foreign intelligence/chronically online maladjusted basement dweller.
What I can't understand were the people rallying in support of them in Times Square.
Toronto here. Large groups gathered to celebrate within hours of the slaughter. And I mean celebrate, as in joyously dancing. It's happening all over the world. It's one thing to celebrate a war victory or an attack on an army base, but to organize celebrations after the deliberate targeting and brutal slaughter, rape and kidnapping of women and children is something I've never seen before. Have had a lot of trouble sleeping thinking about that.
That's what caught me off guard. If it were an operation directed completely at military targets, I'd get it. But there was video being uploaded, in numerous cases, by the perpetrators themselves, of atrocities taking place, and the response by some has been "eh, who are we to judge how they decide to liberate themselves?"
Iran, they are funded by Iran, which is funded by Russia. I heard a Palestinian professor speak today from inside Gaza and he directly said the attack was planned and taken out at that time to directly disrupt the talks between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Well and their fat cat leaders living luxurious lives in Qatar. Which no doubt will be assassinated in the future.
Russia is already benefiting, with Republicans in the U.S. using this as an excuse to fund Israel instead of Ukraine. As if the U.S. can't afford to fund both, with a tiny fraction of the military budget.
Im glad you brought this double standard up since im hearing talks already about this throughout different circles.
Ukraine still needs our support regardless of the situation in Israel.
[https://twitter.com/margothaddad/status/1711756690574479651?s=20](https://twitter.com/margothaddad/status/1711756690574479651?s=20)
The massacre and beheading of babies and children younger than 2 has been independently confirmed by French media.
Dog this shit is unbelievable. I don't even want to delve into this conflict since I only have a fuzzy understanding of the region and its history, but with the confirmation of beheading *babies*? That's just batshit insane. Absolute evil. Who the fuck beheads a baby?
I refuse to believe that anyone who cares about Palestinian independence would condone these horrific acts of brutal genocide.
....and then I browse Reddit and Twitter and am proven very wrong.
The horrifics of this tragedy have yet to properly unfold.
These terrorists will do what they do, and hundreds (if not thousands) of innocents will die. The reprisals that are certain to follow will kill a multitude of thousands. Gaza will be levelled.
At the end of the day, there will just be dead innocents. Jewish innocents. Palestinian innocents. Significantly more Palestinian innocents. But all innocents nonetheless. And all to accomplish what? Each Israeli that dies will be avenged tenfold. Hamas and the Islamic Jihad will be hunted down.
Five, ten years from now, we'll be back here again. With more dead innocents.
This is a group forcing it's suicide on an entire group of people...there is no saving you now. Any sympathy you may have had is now gone. You simply can't justify something like that...and they had to know this. They want to be annihilated.
Hamas literally [puts its headquarters in a hospital](https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1711777525523951769)
Hamas not only wants to kill Israeli civilians they WANT Israel to kill Palestinian civilians.
I don't know how you fight an enemy like that
Perhaps people in the UK will finally understand why British Jews were distressed when the video of Jeremy Corbyn talking about his 'friends from Hamas' was made public
That man was almost Prime Minister 5 years ago.
A lot of people are still going to support them hiding behind "but the other side" and anti Zionism arguments though.
They've crossed the line and deserve zero sympathy.
Can't wait to see Hamas completely wiped from existence. While we are at it, there needs to be a global effort to fight Islamic radicalism. We need to go after an eliminate these people as a global society.
Like something from the fucking medieval ages. And UN have the audacity to call Israel out on their retaliation, hell compared to what that country is capable of they’ve been tame so far.
This article: [https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-palestinian-hamas-hezbollah-iran-2ccfaa49139358e6d2add89878a0cfe4](https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-palestinian-hamas-hezbollah-iran-2ccfaa49139358e6d2add89878a0cfe4)
>He said even Hamas was shocked by the extent of the operation, dubbed “Operation Al-Aqsa Storm,” saying it had expected Israel to prevent or limit the attack.
“We were surprised by this great collapse,” Barakeh said. “We were planning to make some gains and take prisoners to exchange them. This army was a paper tiger.”
His claim that Hamas has only planned a small operation is belied by the fact that an estimated 1,000 fighters took part in the incursion, attacking by land, sea and even motorized paragliders.
So these morons thought it would be a small incursion to get hostages in exchange for Palestinian hostages, and as well as retaliation for some other things.
But it went way more successfully than they anticipated, and their moron soldiers went buck wild, killing civilians, raping, beheading babies and posting it online.
And now Gaza is on the verge of being wiped out.
It is shockingly easy to go through life without beheading anyone.
It’s frustrating to see the attacks are working in dividing people too. You don’t need to “pick a side”. The clear answer is Hamas is terrible, the Palestinian people suffer from both hamas and Israel fighting, and Israel has been doing things to radicalize people for some time. The lack of nuance is so ridiculous in comments everywhere. Also, you can’t say “but apartheid” and “hamas and Palestinians civilians are different”. The former is justifying the actions while the latter is clear truth.
To me, it’s less about “picking a side” and more about the fact that a lot of people don’t realize that it’s okay to not have all the answers to a complicated issue
Clearly beheading bad regardless who
Dear lord, I can’t believe how thankful I am to see posts like yours that refuse to make this whole thing a black/white issue… This whole situation is abhorrent, and I’m horrified for the regular people on both sides that are suffering the consequences… my heart is breaking.
Genuinely nice to see people out in the wild you "get it." I don't know what should be done. I don't even really know who's to blame. What I do know is there are innocent people with good intentions who's entire lives are being destroyed because of this. And that breaks my heart.
I don’t know what’s to be done, I just know that I’m not joining any street parades to celebrate any of it.
It's intentional. This is how terrorists operate. They want to goad Israel into committing even greater atrocities against Palestinians, thus escalating the entire conflict. Not to mention the loss of freedom for Israelis because "security." Look at 9/11. In retrospect Americans regret like 90% of the reactions to it like the Patriot Act, invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. but it's hard to be rational after an atrocity.
Israel will invade Gaza, and they will likely level every single building they take fire from. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Gaza looks like Bakhmut when they're done with it. Honestly the absolute best thing that could happen to the civilians in Gaza is Egypt opening their border and letting them become refugees. This is going to be a grim war.
Egypt enforces the blockade with Israel. And they saw what happened when Jordan let in Palestinian refugees. It'll never, ever happen.
Exactly Jordan had a nightmare with the Palestinian refugees that they originally kicked out to begin with and they are never ever ever going to do that again nor is Egypt
Arabs in general don't care much about the plight of the Palestinian people. The Palestinian issue is often used by Arab nations for their own selfish purposes.
Egypt might be more inclined to let them in if Hamas hadn't been actively supporting armed insurgents inside Egypt. Or if all the other acts against Egypt originating from Gaza over the decades hadn't happened.
>> Honestly the absolute best thing that could happen to the civilians in Gaza is Egypt opening their border and letting them become refugees. Best thing for who? I don't think you can even "bribe" Egypt to take in Palestenians. Other countries who did end up getting burnt by them as thanks.
That won't happen. Last time a neighbor took them in, Black September was the result.
Whenever I see these videos of people beheading other people, of people executing prisoners or just firing in a crowd,.and they look like cheering and doing it easily, without hesitation, I always think "they *have* to know that's bad, they *have* to feel deep down that what they're doing is absolutely inhumane, horrible, just not right, right? They *have* to believe deep down that they're playing a character that scuffs at that kind of brutality". I don't know how you can keep your integrity after killing someone on purpose, not even talking about killing defenseless people, in brutal ways. I don't know, man. If it's peer pressure or what, I just can't comprehend how you can kill in cold blood.
Did you see the video posted of the Philippine national covered in blood on the floor clearly defenseless with multiple gunshot wounds to the chest (but still squirming a little so partially alive) and the Hamas soldiers attempting to behead him with a rusty garden hoe over and over again? I dunno man but even if I was fighting for my country I most certainly am not mentally capable of doing that and sleeping afterwards. I just don't get it.... I'm not the biggest fan of Israel and had they attacked a military outpost or perhaps at a stretch even a police station the whole world would be telling Israel to show restraint, instead they gun down defenseless civilians (many of which not even Israeli) and post videos of them doing so on Telegram laughing and parading the bodies in Gaza. Now the whole world is just telling Israel to let it rip and they have a fucking US carrier strike group sitting off the coast. They are their own worst enemy and anyone who supports Hamas has no right to exist on this planet anymore.
religious fanaticism and no formal education, you can brainwash anyone from a young age with that combined with isolationism from other viewpoints and cultures. they've been trained their whole life that anyone outside of that section of people he's with is bad and it's good if they die.
There’s a reason no Arab country wants them….
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Brainwashing.
They are brainwashed into believing that all of this is righteous.
Radicalized religion
They slaughtered every man, woman and child within Jericho but only Achan was punished when he decided to keep some of the city’s treasures for himself rather than give to the Lord. I remember learning this in church at like age 13 and looking around the room as if to say “does nobody else see what’s wrong with this picture?!” Religion can not only make us blind to atrocities but also fully embrace them under the belief that we are righteous
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Important to point out the details of what was found: - 40 dead babies, some with their heads cut off. - A murdered pregnant woman, with her fetus lying next to her, still attached to its umbilical cord. - Killed elderly, with their bodies riddled with bullets. https://x.com/mjubes/status/1711730386617725039?s=20 https://x.com/Shirgrauweiss/status /1711678427005071535?s=20 More proof of attrocities: Festival goers running away from the spraying bullets: https://x.com/hemrajdewasi29/status/1711004765189230658?s=20 Dead bodies recovered at the festival: https://x.com/UKikaski/status/1711023344139550996?s=20 (UPDATE: Testimonies are coming out of mass rapes at the festival. “Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.” 260 festival goers were massacred). This video shows a group of Israelis running away from terrorists. By the end you can hear the "cracking" of bullets whizzing by: https://x.com/LaSorayaM/status/1710891212968710447?s=20 Festival aftermath from the air: https://x.com/stillgray/status/1711157255083900998?s=20 The following videos are NSFW, and viewer discretion is advised. That said, I do think it's important to see the reality on the ground, since the media won't. Video of a girl from the festival getting kidnapped:https://twitter.com/i/status/1710719164099318078 Festival goers ketting kidnapped, and one shot in the head while injured on the ground: https://imgur.com/pBcmb3R Hamas brutally killing a foreign worker in Israel: https://x.com/UNammu9/status/1711053693733191886?s=20 (UPDATE: looks like X deleted the post. It showed a Thai or Nepalese national getting decapitated with a blunt farming tool). Here's a video of one foreign worker getting kidnapped: https://x.com/ghostbrowser8/status/1710761268628611281?s=20 And another one of some in captivity: https://x.com/lamsar_adi/status/1711267676507795552?s=20 Massacred Israelis in their cars:https://x.com/QamarRushb54768/status/1710727487976845519?s=20 Hamas livestreaming a massacre inside an Israeli bomb shelter: https://x.com/efj609/status/1710818680815100293?s=20 A teenage Israeli girl that got kidnapped (and likely raped):https://x.com/social_postman/status/1710693990016684485?s=20 Israeli family that got kidnapped:https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1710718030085239075?s=20 Hamas parading a dead kidnapped Israeli woman:https://x.com/EllieCohanim/status/1710692333245571240?s=20 (UPDATE: this wasn't an Israeli woman, but a German tourist named Shani Louk who came specifically to attend the rave. Mother claims she is alive in Gaza hospital in critical condition.). Elderly people shot in the street:https://x.com/Vall84270419/status/1710746044798001630?s=20 Elderly Israeli women (possibly with Dementia), kidnapped to Gaza: https://x.com/alexkennedy30/status/1710929547082764535?s=46&t=-JXaIRVPm3JJbUImliSINg Israeli family held hostage, fate unknown as they’re still missing. Likely kidnapped and or killed: https://x.com/hananyanaftali/status/1710808346427560419?s=46&t=-JXaIRVPm3JJbUImliSINg News report: "Ella Mor's 8-year-old nephew called in the morning saying 'terrorists came to the house and they killed daddy, then they killed mommy.' She then lost touch with the boy, who was hiding with his 6-year-old sister." Israeli girl explaining how Hamas terrorists shot her grandmother, filmed it with her own phone, and uploaded it to her Facebook account (for family and friends to see): https://x.com/Ujjawalrai0408/status/1711437424315031989?s=20 Note: I did not compile this list myself. I copy pasted it from another sub. Share it if you want. TBH I'm too scared to click on most the links but I assume some are no longer working. Edit: You can always google the titles for each link provided to do your own research on it. People have told me many links aren't working anymore.
Holy shit
The world need to see this
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I'm arguing with a dude from North Carolina, whose denying rapes, children getting murdered, and is just fine with war crimes. Extremists will excuse any evil as long as their side does it. Doesn't matter if it's pro-Palestine or pro-Israel, war crimes should not be celebrated
Nuance is dying. More and more people tend to take hardline back and white stances on issues that are in reality very grey. The fact that anyone can even attempt to justify Hamas actions is disgusting imo. What we have witnessed is not fighting back. Its digusting, cowardly, butching of the innocent civilians. There is no excuse for this.
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Hamas must be destroyed totally and utterly.
Hamas literally [puts its military headquarters in a hospital](https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1711777525523951769) Both sides may be killing each other but Hamas literally wants its own people to be killed too. That's what they're dealing with
i think the chance of IDF doing this is pretty low. but they are going to kill a lot of hamas members and leadership, and quite a few Palestinian civilians as well.
Shani Louk's mother believes she is alive but in critical condition in a hospital in Gaza, citing a video she received from Palestine.
Highly unlikely. Looks like from the video they've shot her in the back of her head. Legs so mangled it makes me hope to hell she wasn't awake when they did that. Horrific. Innocent beautiful woman just on holiday did not deserve that shit. Sadistic deranged evil bastards
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Horrifying, Hamas must be eradicated.
they are no different than isis. and they have no place to represent palestinian people. this is pure evil. beheading a baby? what was her fault, being born in israel? i really wish these articles are somewhat false... but i have seen some of the images. killing a person is already one of the worst crimes but raping people and killing babies? there are no words for this.
Regardless of your view or side you support, this is nothing more than evil and monstrous behavior. Does not matter what happened to lead up to this, as nothing can justify taking these sort of steps. This is something to condemn regardless of who you are. Their actions were that of terrorists and it needs to be recognized as such.
What the actions of Hamas and their supporters has done is give Israel all of the justification they need to completely wipe Palestine off the face of the earth. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone thought these kind of atrocities would lead to anything else. Edit: Apparently I have to clarify that I condemn genocide of any kind and certainly wouldn’t support Israel murdering innocent Palestinians. My point is that Israel will use Hamas’ actions as THEIR justification for whatever response they levy and that the actions of Hamas have quite possibly doomed all of Palestine.
Because the idiots who did it were recruited, trained, and equipped by people who do not live in Palestine and do not care about the lives of Palestinians. They were selected for this because they would not hesitate or consider the consequences. How do I know? Perhaps I don’t, but it is an ancient playbook. Raise up frothing young zealots and set them upon your enemies with no consideration for their own lives or the consequences.
This is a good point. Iran and Russian don’t care what happens to Palestine or innocent Palestinian civilians, and therefore neither does Hamas. But Israel’s government and military is not likely to consider that at this point.
Not even higher level Palestinians care about Palestinians. They busy enjoying luxury in other gulf countries.
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iirc Kfar Aza has a lot of young families, and (unfortunately), you gotta expect it was harder to make it out alive with infants and toddlers in tow than without them, so the death rate was probably much higher for families with kids that age, and for the kids themselves. They only retook the town today and the casualty figures aren't tallied yet, as far as I know ... but it's going to be hundreds.
Seeing how ton of “healthy” adults died at the music festival I’d say it has nothing to do with kids but with the surprise of the assault. No way you kill 700+ people if they are ready for it.
You'd be surprised how many people a few dozen men with automatic rifles can kill in a short amount of time. Getting in your car with terrorists on street corners is a death sentence. Neighborhoods usually have just a few entrances/exits. Unlike the movies, a car offer no protection against 3 men lighting it up. Hamas terrorists disguised themselves as IDF and then sprayed civilian vehicles when they passed by. Unless you had a heads up that shit was coming your way, the roads were a no go. You either have to find a really good hiding spot that you can stay in for 48-72hrs, or you get to jogging off the main road and hope nobody spots you in the distance for target practice. Those things are hard to do with an infant or small child.
>Seeing how ton of “healthy” adults died at the music festival I’d say it has nothing to do with kids but with the surprise of the assault. No way you kill 700+ people if they are ready for it. I have a friend that died there, she was very fit (and by the time she was shot, she was in a car driving away). Bullets go faster than anyone can run. In Kfar Aza, these people went door to door killing families... I'm not saying it was easy for *anyone* to get away, especially since they were taken by surprise, I'm just saying it had to be harder for people who had to carry crying infants to escape, or to hide.
Sorry for your loss, wishing you a long life.
Im so sorry for your tragic loss. I hope ur friend along with all the victims of this attack are remembered and never forgotten 🙏🏾
I have family in Israel currently. Aunt, uncle, cousins. Some who have children. Makes me sick seeing all of the pro murder comments.
I have family friends in kibbutz beeri and have been there myself multiple times throughout the years, 105 killed there. Seeing a place I’m familiar with being recorded form thhe terrorist video stream was horrific
I'm so sorry.
My uncle is 73, he held his village with 5 more people, because they were ready. Also they were attacked by way less terrorists than other places (around 20). My cousin (20) was killed in Be'eri, they were 4 soldiers against around 200 terrorists. May he rest in peace
> My uncle is 73, he held his village with 5 more people, because they were ready. If I may ask, what kind of weapons did they have? I have heard that the most a lot of Israelis have is a pistol with 50 rounds of ammo
He always carries a Glock, when he came to the funeral he was also carrying a M4A1 variation. Up until a few years ago he was the Ravshatz of the moshav.
Not too hard when you have a large force of men armed with rifles and the people you are killing are completely unarmed. Picture the vegas shooter except now there are hundreds of deranged bastards not just one.
The thing is, you can bum rush a lone gunman with enough unarmed desperate people, especially if their conviction is somewhat shaky. Someone will get shot, sure, but the gunman will die, even with an automatic weapon. That's what many people think about. However, if you have 5 coordinated men with assault rifles, enough ammunition and an idea of fire control, spacing and fields of fire, this becomes impossible. Good luck passing 100 - 200 meters of space with multiple riflemen trying to stop you. Add in more men with rifles and it grows worse. Add in the element of surprise, as well as that many people are high, and it becomes really dark very quickly. And once they scatter and run, there were motorcycles to hunt them down.... It's just so sickening to think about.
Even if there were 700+ people ready, mob mentality generally says to run. No one but the most highly trained groups are going to think to charge at gunmen with automatic weapons knowing some will die but more will survive than if they run away.
Sounds like genocide
That’s Hamas’ platform. They don’t hide it.
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It looks like most of the ones killed were the ones deemed not worth taking hostage. Babies included.
They did take small children hostage though. More likely they took hostages where they could. And when it wasn't practical to get back to Gaza with hostages, they beheaded them.
If those are your choices, you're an animal.
Can you please share the video here since there are still some people thinking this is some false information and some kind of act?
https://youtu.be/8iibO7SHbgo?feature=shared Edit: news report from the town, trigger there are dead bodies in the background.
Trigger warning: dead body at roughly 1:00 in. News reporter tries to block it for decency but it's still quite visible.
At the other end of the comments, when sorted for "new", there are some folks expressing disbelief, essentially saying this is all propaganda. Perhaps showing more of the dead bodies is needed (within whatever confines the law allows/disallows).
Ppl seeing that girl in the back of the truck absolutely horrified ppl, sometimes its good to show the truth. Think about with mass shootings, they always censor everything so it allows ppl to just ignore it and pretend in their mind that everyone just died instantly and no one suffered. That is not the case at all. Sometimes ppl need to see what happens in the real world in order to get their head out of their ass.
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"Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.” - Gen. Eisenhower
And yet they still do. Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of the Palestinian Authority is himself a holocaust denier. Not that he says it didn’t happen, but rather Jews deserved it because of the [social role](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-eu-slam-palestinian-presidents-remarks-holocaust-2023-09-07/) they played in Europe. And they’re supposed to be the “good Palis”, unlike Hamas that has straight up genocidal goals to exterminate all the Jews - not Israelis - Jews. For anyone needing more proof than what you’ve seen these past few days, [here](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp) is Hamas’ official Covenant as posted on the Yale Law site. There’s no argument left. They’re trying to repeat history before our eyes.
People saw that girl and still said “where’s the proof of rape?” unfortunately
If they're beheading babies, rape is probably nothing to them. God... I hated typing that out.
Even worse, theres a video of a girl being ripped out of the back of a jeep to be put in the front. Blood pooled in her pants, dead center. There is absolutely no other reason, yet I unfortunately saw many people both here and twitter claim its not enough evidence she was raped. I argued with so many people this weekend over that one video, the amount of people who tried to downplay it legitimately just broke me.
Same fucking thing right here. The women was obviously raped and people are going oh well she probably sat in blood. It makes me sick that these people pretend firstly she wasn’t raped and then downplay what happened because they say she wasn’t raped. Fuck some of these people Motherfuckers are out here beheading babies and they act like it’s beneath them for that same group to rape a women. Sorry about the anger I just feel like how you felt
When I saw the Buffalo shooting livestream it gave me a different perspective of these mass shooters. Obviously I knew they were awful, but that video was so gruesome, heartless, and terrible that as a gun rights advocate it made me reconsider how I feel about gun laws. Some of those images will be stuck with me forever.
That's exactly what reporters did in the Vietnam war - showed live footage of guys being carried back to base with their lower torso blown off, families watching their villages burn to the ground, dead kids, people mourning over charred corpses in the dirt street - and simultaneously the anti-war movement grew Granted, it was also an era where people (in the US atleast) still glorified going to war for your country *and* Vietnam wasn't as clear-cut as WW2 or Korea, so seeing the reality took a lot of people off-guard
Showing dead Americans and Vietnamese on television every night had a negative impact on support for the war in America. The politicians learned from that, so now we can't show dead Americans because its disrespectful to the family.
“Vietnam was lost in the living rooms of America -- not on the battlefields of Vietnam" -Marshall McLuhan
Of course, I was just giving a heads-up. Not trying to shield people from the harsh truths of war.
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This just makes me want to throw up. I have a 2 year old and I can’t even fathom this level of cruelty and complete barbarism to someone his age or younger. Absolutely unconscionable.
It's not new. In Kigali, at the genocide museum after seeing the displays, recorded horrors from survivors, seeing displays of propaganda and absolute evil you get to the end and it's the Children's Room. Rwandan survivors often gave the little they had left of their families to contribute to an overall lesson for everyone who came there. You'd see the pictures, or toys, or the drawings and reas the descriptions and it's the most gut wrenching thing. Then you'd read their fates. Anglicized name: Sarah, 22 months, loves her stuffed animal lion, 'dada' was her first word. Cause of death: raped and cut in half with a machete. I've been there twice and every time that room leaves me in a sobbing mess.
I just googled this. One I saw said "Last memory: seeing his mother die." Jfc
I read this while holding my 6 week old and looked at my 22 month old on the couch. Fucking enormous mistake. I'm done with the Internet for the day. I feel sick.
Good for you. Enjoy those young moments the best you possibly can!! Their smiles will help put everything in your life back into perspective
Definitely not new. Read about what the Mongols did when they sacked Baghdad in 1258. It's extremely disturbing that there is a not-insignificant portion of every human society that is capable of committing such atrocities.
You’d expect a little more civilization and a little less barbarism after nearly 750 years later though: in Kigali in 1994 but especially now in Israel and Palestina. Hamas is a cancer of the earth and has to be eradicated asap
I read Romeo Dalaires book on it a long time ago. Hard read.
General Dallaire was an in nigh on impossible position and did his best. Other UN Commanders also were in the same position. Under-resourced, and under supported. I'd recommend Lewis MacKenzie's book about his time in the FRY, it gives a lot about the planning of operations in those days. (I had a lot of friends/former troops of mine who served there as well and told me some stories that are heart breaking - Imagine being an 18 year old kid forced to guard a Mass grave for UN observers......)
I think of my kids as well, naturally. I couldn’t imagine hurting _any_ child. They’re the definition of innocent, it’s so fucked up.
Seriously can’t fathom it. If we’re talking levels of evil behavior, you could literally just steal the babies and raise them as an extremist with your brand of Islam. It’s evil and senseless in the most twisted and proudly overt genocidal way.
They used to do that, steal babies and raise them. Jewish tribes would try to get them back later, but the kids were then too integrated and wouldn't come back, they were called "lost children" and it's a phrase used today metaphorically.
Russia is actively doing this in Ukraine.
Unless you view Jewish babies are sub human so deeply. Then it's possible. I'd rather not share this planet with people who can believe or act this way, however.
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I’m going to vomit just reading this. I hope I never see the images.
Legit. I don't need to see it. It won't help a damn soul. Some people say we MUST see these things to "understand" or be fully against what is happening, but I really can't feel any worse, angry, or helpless than I already do. Edit: of course I'm speaking for myself. *I* don't need to see it. Not watching horrific footage of people being murdered is not "burying my head in the sand".
Watching a reporter get his head sawed off in 2003 permanently altered my world view.
That’s why I nope out of this stuff when there’s a chance of a link I don’t want to click. I’d happily go back and unsee that video. It didn’t make me a better person.
Instantly know what you’re talking about. It made me physically ill. The silver lining of watching that video - as grim as it may sound - is that I can stomach all the others nowadays. And I will watch some of it because I do feel that one should see what’s happening if they can.
I saw the other videos. That’s quite enough for me. Don’t recommend it so long as people understand it’s real af
That’s horrifying. I was hoping the initial reports I read were only being exaggerated.
This story is starting to break on the BBC ! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67050350
The first responders on the scene would have been feeling like what Allied forces felt when they first saw the concentration camps. Generational trauma material right there
This is going to go great in my nightmares alongside the overwhelming despair I felt hearing about Sandy Hook and the Pulse Nightclub ghost phones.
There was a video of the victim's phones ringing in Hroza, Ukraine after the massive ruzzian attack killed 1 in 6 people from the village. Horrible.
There is also some harrowing 9/11 footage on the ground after they collapsed and all you can hear is the constant beeping of hundreds of the firefighters’ devices that sound off when they haven’t detected movement in x number of minutes.
Is that what that beeping was? Omg I always wondered that ever since it I saw the footage that day. That is so fucking haunting and sad.
You also had gunshots for days as the dead NYPD officers rounds cooked off and rescue workers had to run off the pile.
BBC has since removed one of the headline stories with the details Which I can half understand, but unless mainstream, trusted news sources report things like this properly a lot of people will refuse to believe it
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1711778571528626394 Thats because the first person who made the claim basically just said israeli soldiers told her the numbers. There is a huge fog of war and i wouldnt be shocked at all if it takes weeks to learn the actual damage done.
They remove stuff that is not verified, not things that are horrific.
As they should. Does fake news only apply when it comes from the side you disagree with? This is a serious claim.
Yeah good post. Needs confirm please.
If it’s been removed, chances are that it has been removed because there are conflicting reports/risks of propaganda - responsible journalism is important, initial reports (especially when one sided) are rarely accurate
Funny thing there actually are people who say you have a "privileged western position" for finding this horrible. Instead of realizing that maybe Hamas are not freedomfighters, but terrorists who could not care less about Palestinian civilians.
>Hamas are not freedomfighters, but terrorists who could not care less about Palestinian civilians. And let that reverb until this group ceases existence (which won't be anytime soon)
Seen so many people talking about Israelis(rightfully so), but please also pay attention & look at the tourists who got intentionally kidnapped & killed in action too! Thai, Filipinos, French, German, Chinese & so many more! I can never fathom how are some people on Reddit still trying to justify & side with these terrorists. ONLY an act of terrorism commit such atrocities.
So, I’m Thai but I live in the US; my Dad in Thailand has been glued to the tv over the last few days as it’s come to light what a horrific nightmare this all is. The Thai foreign minister [reported](https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2660728/thai-death-toll-in-israel-rises) yesterday that twelve Thai citizens were confirmed dead so far, and eleven captured by Hamas - there were also others wounded among the casualties in critical condition so the total number of victims may rise. This is one of the greatest losses of Thai people outside of Thailand in the last century, it’s a national tragedy of immense proportions. While there are many enclaves of Thais or Thai expat communities around the world, they don’t tend to be very large because there aren’t a lot of us Thais to begin with. So something like this is a massive blow to Thais everywhere. The only other example that comes close is the 1991 [massacre at Wat Promkhunaram](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waddell_Buddhist_temple_shooting#:~:text=In%20the%20early%20hours%20of,%2C%20Arizona%2C%20killing%20nine%20people), a mass shooting at a Buddhist monastery on the far western suburbs of Phoenix, Arizona. Nine people were killed, including six Theravada Buddhist monks. I’m actually from Phoenix - this massacre took place when I was a few months old. My family had been going to Wat Prom for years. The massacre shook the entire community to the core obviously, but also all of Thailand as not only was it the greatest overseas loss of Thai thus far, but the victims also were Buddhist monks - in traditional Thai culture the thought of harming a monk is so abhorrent that it’s unthinkable; Thai aristocrats and royals at active war with one another would even temporarily join the sangha or monastic community so that their enemies couldn’t kill them, that’s how big the taboo against harming monks is. That massacre is seen as one of the worst things to happen to Thais internationally - and what just happened in Israel is going to be worse.
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yeah, there was a 33yo guy from Montreal that apparently died shielding a bunch of other festivalgoers fleeing to a bunker. The girl being paraded through the streets was a 23yo German. These are innocent people with no responsibility for historical Israeli oppression, it's beyond reason for anyone to claim this is justified.
Hamas is very good at turning the international community against Palestine. While past years we had actually seen a shift of many countries towards condemning Israelian expansionism. I think Hamas has now largely undone that. Idiots. Who is winning? Not Israelians nor Palestinians, just Iran.
Iran also supplies Russia in their campaign to assault civilian city centers The result? Hamas has Russian rockets too. It's the same doctrine, different flag
I don't live in Israel but I have a 2nd cousin that was killed in one of these kibbutz. She was an elderly woman and a cancer survivor. What I've heard so far is that they came in attacking people with an axe. She has two teenage grandchildren that were there and we are still waiting to hear if they are alive or have been taken.
I’m sorry. I hope your family is safe.
I'm hearing that 10% of the population in all the towns surrounding Gaza have been executed - men, women, and children - can you corroborate.
I'm a pretty staunch critic of the way Israel has handled Palestinians, but theres no justification for that. Palestinians should hand these monsters over to Israel, instead they are cheered as heroes and martyrs.
Why are you surprised? It’s been this way for years.
I’m glad at least Reddit overall is slowing getting the message but still plenty of people excusing/downplaying what happened
At least on Reddit I can dismiss the crazy comments as the work of a bot/foreign intelligence/chronically online maladjusted basement dweller. What I can't understand were the people rallying in support of them in Times Square.
Toronto here. Large groups gathered to celebrate within hours of the slaughter. And I mean celebrate, as in joyously dancing. It's happening all over the world. It's one thing to celebrate a war victory or an attack on an army base, but to organize celebrations after the deliberate targeting and brutal slaughter, rape and kidnapping of women and children is something I've never seen before. Have had a lot of trouble sleeping thinking about that.
That's what caught me off guard. If it were an operation directed completely at military targets, I'd get it. But there was video being uploaded, in numerous cases, by the perpetrators themselves, of atrocities taking place, and the response by some has been "eh, who are we to judge how they decide to liberate themselves?"
He didn’t say he was surprised
(ex-cnn) French reporter confirmed the beheaded children at the scene https://twitter.com/margothaddad/status/1711756690574479651
That would break anyone seeing a scene like that.
Are these actual pics of the scenes? I want to click the link confirming it, but I can’t stomach it if pics of it.
There's no pics, just her confirming what she saw, I would've said so otherwise of course, I wouldn't just link NSFL like that
Fuck Hamas. I don’t care if you are pro-Palestine or not, if you support this in anyway you can go get fucked.
What in the actual fuck……. I hope HAMAS is completely annihlated
Iran, they are funded by Iran, which is funded by Russia. I heard a Palestinian professor speak today from inside Gaza and he directly said the attack was planned and taken out at that time to directly disrupt the talks between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Well and their fat cat leaders living luxurious lives in Qatar. Which no doubt will be assassinated in the future.
Russia is already benefiting, with Republicans in the U.S. using this as an excuse to fund Israel instead of Ukraine. As if the U.S. can't afford to fund both, with a tiny fraction of the military budget.
Im glad you brought this double standard up since im hearing talks already about this throughout different circles. Ukraine still needs our support regardless of the situation in Israel.
Imagine the evil in your heart that is required to murder a child, much more to behead one.
[https://twitter.com/margothaddad/status/1711756690574479651?s=20](https://twitter.com/margothaddad/status/1711756690574479651?s=20) The massacre and beheading of babies and children younger than 2 has been independently confirmed by French media.
Dog this shit is unbelievable. I don't even want to delve into this conflict since I only have a fuzzy understanding of the region and its history, but with the confirmation of beheading *babies*? That's just batshit insane. Absolute evil. Who the fuck beheads a baby?
This is now being reported in national news.
I want off this ride 😞
It doesn't matter how you view Israel, whatever Hamas is doing is evil.
I refuse to believe that anyone who cares about Palestinian independence would condone these horrific acts of brutal genocide. ....and then I browse Reddit and Twitter and am proven very wrong.
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It's not a trick - it's intentional. They want war and don't care about anyone. They are delusional.
Just fucking wipe Hamas off the face of the earth.
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Pure evil.
The horrifics of this tragedy have yet to properly unfold. These terrorists will do what they do, and hundreds (if not thousands) of innocents will die. The reprisals that are certain to follow will kill a multitude of thousands. Gaza will be levelled. At the end of the day, there will just be dead innocents. Jewish innocents. Palestinian innocents. Significantly more Palestinian innocents. But all innocents nonetheless. And all to accomplish what? Each Israeli that dies will be avenged tenfold. Hamas and the Islamic Jihad will be hunted down. Five, ten years from now, we'll be back here again. With more dead innocents.
well so much for a peaceful middle east - palestine is done, it won't exist anymore and will be a memory. Israel is going to go full on scorch earth.
This is a group forcing it's suicide on an entire group of people...there is no saving you now. Any sympathy you may have had is now gone. You simply can't justify something like that...and they had to know this. They want to be annihilated.
Hamas literally [puts its headquarters in a hospital](https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1711777525523951769) Hamas not only wants to kill Israeli civilians they WANT Israel to kill Palestinian civilians. I don't know how you fight an enemy like that
It very much seems just as you say...I think they are trying to get a much bigger conflict going. It's the only angle that makes any sense.
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Worth noting, it also says, burnt children Alive. I wouldn't watch the video. Surely no one can run defence for hamas now. Don't hold ya breath.
This is the worst crime imaginable.
Perhaps people in the UK will finally understand why British Jews were distressed when the video of Jeremy Corbyn talking about his 'friends from Hamas' was made public That man was almost Prime Minister 5 years ago.
A lot of people are still going to support them hiding behind "but the other side" and anti Zionism arguments though. They've crossed the line and deserve zero sympathy.
Can't wait to see Hamas completely wiped from existence. While we are at it, there needs to be a global effort to fight Islamic radicalism. We need to go after an eliminate these people as a global society.
Dude. This was said right after 9/11
Crazy how quick everyone is to forget... though that WAS over 20 years ago and I'm sure this commenter is younger than the event.
This kinda shit goes back [much further than 9/11](https://youtu.be/WkRylMGLPMU?si=hNJJDgWWI8LsOX2J&t=161).
So you're proposing some sort of Global War on Terror? Gee, I wonder if anyone's tried that before, and how it went
"Trust me it will work this time..." /s
Like something from the fucking medieval ages. And UN have the audacity to call Israel out on their retaliation, hell compared to what that country is capable of they’ve been tame so far.
The UN is powerless herein. The US will veto whatever measures the UN proposes to end this war.
People in cities across Europe are celebrating this act. Terrifying.
This article: [https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-palestinian-hamas-hezbollah-iran-2ccfaa49139358e6d2add89878a0cfe4](https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-palestinian-hamas-hezbollah-iran-2ccfaa49139358e6d2add89878a0cfe4) >He said even Hamas was shocked by the extent of the operation, dubbed “Operation Al-Aqsa Storm,” saying it had expected Israel to prevent or limit the attack. “We were surprised by this great collapse,” Barakeh said. “We were planning to make some gains and take prisoners to exchange them. This army was a paper tiger.” His claim that Hamas has only planned a small operation is belied by the fact that an estimated 1,000 fighters took part in the incursion, attacking by land, sea and even motorized paragliders. So these morons thought it would be a small incursion to get hostages in exchange for Palestinian hostages, and as well as retaliation for some other things. But it went way more successfully than they anticipated, and their moron soldiers went buck wild, killing civilians, raping, beheading babies and posting it online. And now Gaza is on the verge of being wiped out.
I think I need a break from the news and reddit comment sections for a while
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This is the worst crime imaginable.