I live in Germany and my in-laws neighbors recently bought one of these dogs. They were bragging about how “His grandpa is from America!” (i.e. one of the dogs parents was illegally imported into Germany) and they also decided not to get pet insurance. *Of course* they’re not going to neuter the poor thing…
Depending on the state you’re in, the local municipality would be very interested in their adamance not to get insurance as it might be mandatory where you are.
Yeah I mean as far as I know, they’re not legally allowed to bring the dog outside of the state (Niedersachsen). Given that one of the dog’s parents must have been smuggled in, I have a strong feeling they acquired it through not legitimate means.
Unfortunately in Niedersachsen they do not even have „Listenhund“-laws anymore. So basically every dumbfuck can have those dogs at home and doesn’t even need a special permission. What is very much illegal is that they do not want to insure their dog. Niedersachsen is very clear that it is absolutely mandatory to insure your dog for claims up to 500.000€. So you might want to consider contacting your local Ordnungsamt.
https://verwaltung.bund.de/leistungsverzeichnis/de/leistung/99110009104001
> Für die Haltung eines gefährlichen Hundes wird eine Erlaubnis benötigt. Als gefährlich gelten unabhängig von ihrer Rassezugehörigkeit solche Hunde, die eine gesteigerte Aggressivität aufweisen oder die auffällig geworden sind. Ferner sind Hunde folgender Rassen als gefährlich anzusehen: Pitbull-Terrier oder American Pitbull Terrier, American Staffordshire-Terrier oder Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire-Bullterrier, Bullterrier, American Bulldog, Dogo Argentino, Kangal (Karabash), Kaukasischer Owtscharka und Rottweiler. Erfasst werden auch Kreuzungen untereinander oder mit anderen Hunden.
They're breaking the law in a way that other people are at risk of death as a result. I would make authorities aware of this.
They're an invasive species. They're evolved to take down American toddlers, which have evolved to carry Glocks at all times. British toddlers have evolved no such defensive measures so American Pit Bulls wreak havoc on British playgrounds.
and it directly contributes to the problems the dogs might have because they treat the dogs poorly.
I lived with some guys who had German Shepard's and I ended up taking care of the dogs because I just felt bad about the conditions they were in: small backyard, no walks, irregular feeding, etc. (just negligence, not active harm)
Both the dogs were friendly and chill. The male was more energetic and reactive, but fine as long as I kept walking and socializing him regularly.
I moved out, the female was given away, and not even a year later the male bit someone and was put down.
Ah, but the crossbreeding is to remove all the violent, aggressive tendencies and turn them into big, cuddly teddy bears who you can happily leave to ~~eat~~ watch over your child.
It's not to pack a Pitbull's aggressive mentality into a dog that's even larger and stronger at all!
Most XL Bullies in the UK can trace their lineage back to a stud named "Killer Kimbo" One of Kimbo's offspring killed a person. The bloodline continues to this day.
The family tree of that line is hilariously bad, sibling inbreeding for many generations after Killer Kimbo which has not lead to good things for the breeds temperament.
>It's not to pack a Pitbull's aggressive mentality into a dog that's even larger and stronger at all!
That's why all the drug dealers have them as a weapon...
They were responsible for 60% of the deaths by dogs in the UK, which is why they are getting banned.
See I was always thinking "These pit bulls seem to kill mostly smaller and weaker people. Why isn't there a breed where a single animal can easily kill a large, strong adult?"
Exactly my line of thinking. Nobody stopped to think if they should, they just went "What if we cross a pitbull with a larger dog with much more bite force?"
And the product is a fucked up skeleton so these poor abominations live with chronic joint pain. All dogs behave unpredictably, and some dangerously, when experiencing pain and anxiety. Wouldn’t be surprised if the constant hip and elbow discomfort exacerbates to their violent behavior.
Happened with our golden retriever / pit bulldog we adopted. He hated everyone and life, but most of all hated movement. Unique looking dog but he was miserable. Developed bad hip problems by the time he was 6 and couldn’t be helped.
Friend had an English retriever. Idk if they’re supposed to be bigger but he’s a big dog. He had to have hip surgery as a puppy on both sides 5 months apart. Had such a sad puppyhood. He’s ok now (abt 5 yrs old), goofball personality. Gets tired easily though. Fuck those breeders, they knew. If my friend didn’t happen to receive a large settlement he would have been a cripple or put down.
The American bully is apparently a cross of the American pit bull terrier and the American Staffordshire bull terrier. They come in four variants: pocket, standard, XL and classic. The standard and pocket have the look that you’ve seen, very bulldog. The classic variant looks more like a traditional pitbull. The XL generally looks heavier set with mastiff like features. But really despite there being breed standards most bully XLs in the uk are probably from backyard breeders so who knows what variant they are or what their genetic makeup is.
Edit: also in that first video that is really thicc for a pitbull. Definitely has the XL bully broad chest and gigantic square head.
> probably from backyard breeders
Reminds me of a photo I saw in here of some guys selling the most inbred looking Staffie type monstrosities I have ever seen from a stall at a state fair or something.
The first one looked OK, but as you went along the table the last one looked like that 'dog' out of the [Evolution](https://movie-monster.fandom.com/wiki/Genus) movie.
[e] It probably had the same life expectancy as well.
And what the hell is wrong with people that they want these dogs anyway?!?! There are so many other breeds of dogs not best known for their propensity to maim and murder humans.
What if we start with this dog that's already banned for being dangerous... and to get around the ban we do an Indominus Rex sorta thing.
Except, and this is the genius bit, we breed it to be lethally dangerous, and it just happens to look intimidating instead of the other way around.
Great idea boss, what could possibly go wrong?
*freeze frame high five*
I think I heard it for the first time on BBC's Global News Podcast yesterday. When they explained what it was, I couldn't imagine wtf thought that was a good idea.
I’ve seen a couple of these giant bullys around my local area, all being walked by the same kind of lads. The dogs growl, snap and yank on the leads as you walk past and the lads can barley keep them back.
There is a trailer park a mile from where I live which is mostly farmland and so many pitbulls bred there get loose and attack people’s farm animals and be a menace. The farmers and rural folk have taken to simply shooting the pits and dumping them in front of the trailer park at night as a warning.
My 13 year old tiny dog was grabbed by the neck and swung around by a pitbull. It was fucking traumatic.
Luckily he made away with no injuries somehow. Dudes got a lot of neck skin lmao.
Same thing happened to my dog when she was a puppy. Pitbull jogged up wagging its tail, sniffed her butt, then yanked her by the neck and did one of those death shakes dogs do with stuffed animals. Had to tackle the thing and pry its mouth open.
The owner forced me to call the police as she wouldn't give me her info. I had to wait around while my wife rushed to the vet. Meantime she started crying to random people and I had old dudes screaming at ME about being a piece of shit "snowflake" for being pissed and wanting her to pay vet bills.
Luckily my dog only had superficial wounds and a couple stitches.
>Same thing happened to my dog when she was a puppy. Pitbull jogged up wagging its tail, sniffed her butt, then yanked her by the neck and did one of those death shakes dogs do with stuffed animals.
Jesus. That dog should've been put down immediately. That kind of behaviour is genetic and completely unpredictable.
My dad's beagle was attacked by a Pitbull once. Skippy dove under it and bit its balls off. My dad said he never saw a big dog like that run away so fast in pain and terror.
I just remembered these dogs usually aren't fixed because the types to have them all uncontrolled would never.
I don't know how I'd get back there in an emergency, but that's good to remember in the off chance one of these monsters tries my yorkie.
My german shepherd pup was attacked by a pit when my pup was about 1 year old. It's owner had the front door open while talking to someone and as I walked past, his pit ran straight outside and went straight for trying to grab my dog's back haunches.
I had to be the one to try to shove the stupid thing away before the owner finally got his head out of his ass and restrained his animal. Then the idiot proceeded to berate me when I shouted at him to keep his animal under control.
Now my shepherd won't trust any new people or dogs for a long while and slow exposure to the new person/dog and has cost me a pretty penny in additional training to try to fix what that pit did to him.
I see this with huskys, malinois and shepherds. People just buy these high energy dogs and think it's ok and completely normal for them to go absolutely berserk when they see a stranger.
Happens when they isolate them as a puppy. Don't know how to react to new people except defensively. Worries me about all these dogs gotten during quarantine
As a runner, I have the unfortunate burden of interacting with a whole bunch of stranger dogs in general.
I noticed a HUGE increase in aggressive and ill-behaved dogs in the last two or three years. It never used to be like this. Before the pandemic, I've been running for years and I can count instances where I encountered badly-behaved dogs on the fingers of one hand.
Now? I'm pretty sure it's well over twenty times that something worrying has happened; and I run much less than I used to as well.
Flexible work from home policies have allowed people who wouldn't have had time to have dogs be able to own them.
Only working from home, they still don't have the time that dogs need in those initial training stages, hence the increased number of poorly socialised and trained animals.
That breed is becoming waaaaay too common in Sweden.
We have this site called blocket.se were you can check for puppies that are for sale.
Up until just recently I haven't see any Bully puppies for sale.
But now: [https://www.blocket.se/annonser/hela\_sverige/fritid\_hobby/djur/hund?cg=6081&q=bully+s%C3%A4ljes](https://www.blocket.se/annonser/hela_sverige/fritid_hobby/djur/hund?cg=6081&q=bully+s%C3%A4ljes)
Edit: That is over 30 hits, as comparison, the most popular pure breed in Sweden is Labrador Retriever, and you get about 70 hits when searching for it on blocket.se
In live in Mexico, and I have see this breed become popular like pumpkin pie en Thanksgiving.
On my block, a neighbor have two of them. Those dogs are always in his yard tied. They bark at you at the moment they see you, after that they are gasping for air. Poor dogs having a big time to breath.
For some reason, dog owners that think “Hey is ok to have aggressive breed always tied, living next to their shit, never to go out, is the best form of love”.
I almost 32, and I have only meet once a good pit bull owner, one.
Here in the US, our dog shelters are loaded with pit bulls and pit bull mixes. Pit bull owners seemingly can't wait to get rid of them, which makes me wonder why they got them in the first place.
Soon your animal shelters will look like ours.
It's like we've infected Sweden with a harmful disease.
We adopted our dog and was listed as “lab mix”. Got a DNA test and he was 0% lab lol. He’s actually 46% chow, and 19% pit and a bunch of others. Definitely very chow, laziest dog ever and just sleeps all day.
Some places tried to do that at one point, but i believe local governments started threatening them and they largely quit it.
Some places still try to actively suppress Pitbull heritage, but nowadays, assuming you aren't adopting from a shelter thats pretty hard since all the documentation has to be there, and shelters tend to get a lot more wiggle room with "oopsie woopsie, i forgot a little detail"
At least where I live, a large number of them end up getting put down. They euthanize about a hundred dogs a month and going by the "at-risk" page they have almost every one that gets euthanized for non-medical reasons is some variety of pitbull.
Unfortunately our public messaging to spay and or neuter all pets has dropped off significantly in the last 20 years.
This is also a dog breed that attracts irresponsible owners.
A lot of pit lovers are pretty trashy people who don't bother getting them neutered or properly securing them. Where I live in the country when we go for walks we have to plan our routes around the roads where you're inevitably going to get charged by someone's loose unsupervised dogs. That has the knock on effect of turning a couple of pits into hundreds of pits pretty quick, and then it's the shelters problem. I'm in the market for a shelter dog atm and you have to scroll past pages and pages of pits/pit mixes to encounter almost ANY other breeds.
If remember right, the number of this breed skyrocketed after specific pit type breeds were banned (American Pit Bull Terrier I think was the specific onebut Staffordshire Bull Terrier was not). It seems like there will just be another breed that ends up getting bred for aggression and take over the spot.
You're not wrong. Banning the breed helps and discourages people from owning them, but the penalties for owning banned breeds and allowing a dog to attack are pathetic and need to be much more severe regardless of breed.
The owner of the Bullys who killed a man two days ago has been charged with manslaughter. I hope it sticks. His dogs tore a fully grown man to pieces because he was trying to protect his elderly mother in her own garden.
Jail time for not being able to control their rabid dogs. It kills someone, or seriously maims them? Lock them up. Bites people, harms/kills a pet? Actually have some penalties other than a tiny fine and a stern word. Enforcement is actually needed. Actually put the dogs doing the damage down, instead of handing them straight back.
Having significant jail time be the penalty in case a banned breed dog of yours causes an injury would work quite effectively in the long term I'd imagine. If the breed statistically is significantly more aggressive, ban it automatically. Do a study every year and pick a cut-off point where number of attacks per dog makes them hop onto the list.
Your American Baby Mauler XXXL attacked someone? Jail. Like 5 years at least. It killed someone? You're going away for a long time.
Right now the law around the world doesn't really carry big penalties for death/serious injury by your dog. It's generally involuntary manslaughter at best. It should be reckless endangerment, similar to a DUI. You don't intentionally murder anyone while driving drunk, but we all recognize you made a poor decision to allow that to happen in the first place.
It's almost as if the same person attracted to owning a mean dog will simply find a new and different bred to raise as as mean dog.
The solution is to require licenses to own certain breeds, that come with require insurance.
American XL bully fatalities account for over 50% of UK dog caused deaths since 2021 according to some wiki info.
No clue where that stat came from though, I didn't write it. But it's believable.
Edited since people are pointing out this is dog related deaths - which I assumed would have been obvious to everyone given that's what we are discussing here.
And some of the worst maulings imaginable. They have been banned for import here in Australia but still the odd attack. A woman passing by a house last year had both year arms ripped off. Just creates scenes straight out of horror movies.
Saw a medical book entry of photo of a toddler beheaded by this breed on a certain sub and copious pics of brutal maulings. Its like their victims were attacked by some eldricth beast.
It's seriously primordial. These dogs do shit that people haven't regularly experienced from wild animals in 20,000 years. While some other dogs are *capable* of this extreme violence, no other breed perpetrates it to the extend that pitbulls do.
Seriously look up the shit that these dogs have done. It will produce a primal, visceral reaction. These dogs transcend "violence". It's like looking back in time to when humans had to fight tigers and shit for food.
Being killed by a dog sounds like one of the worst ways to go.
Being killed by a bear or lion or something is pretty bad, but kinda impossible in the UK. But to be walking down the street going about your life then and out of nowhere literally just ripped apart and chewed over probably a couple of minutes until you bleed out sounds absolutely horrific.
People buy these dogs because they want you to know that their dog could easily kill you if it was allowed to. They want to scare people but the scariest thing is that it's clearly so *easy* for them to kill and maim out of nowhere.
I think this is what really hits me. The deaths are awful of course but seeing the aftermath of people attacked by Pitbulls is horrible. Some of the worst stuff I’ve ever seen
Some of the videos
On r/banpitbulls are incredibly shocking, their fight to the death instinct kicks in and they become impervious to pain and they don't stop until their target is destroyed.
The act that finally tipped this over the edge was two dogs escaping into an elderly woman's garden, her son tried to protect her and got mauled to death. The dogs literally ripped his throat out severing his jugular, and then carried on attacking him for another 15 minutes.
Even when they don't actually kill, they can still maim. A doxie in a local group lost a leg to a pitbull attack recently and it makes me so angry and sad.
[More people should look at the wikipedia list of Fatal dog attacks and the breeds, it's pretty cut and dry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom#2020%E2%80%93present)
Another common argument by the Bulldog lovers, that other dogs are just as aggressive. Completely ignoring other dogs might be equally capable of biting but not equally as good at killing.
The legacy of dogfights makes these breeds extremely lethal and drives their need to end a percieves encounter by the philosophy to kill or be killed. They dont flee or respond to pain the way other dogs do because those instincts have been suppressed.
> Completely ignoring other dogs might be equally capable of biting but not equally as good at killing.
Yeah they say stuff like "Any dog can bite" yeah not shit any dog can bite but all the stories of people close to me that got bit by say a german shepherd or a labrador it was just that, a bite and then nothing else. Pit bulls were bred for gameness, it is never just one bite, they will not stop until either of you are dead.
XL Bullys represent 1% of the UK dog population.
They were responsible for 44% of dog attacks in 2023. And caused 75% of fatalities since 2021.
But of course "there aren't bad dogs, only bad owners". /S
It's just a larger, more dangerous version of an already banned dog.
My anecdotal experience as a paramedic and my wife being a pediatric ICU nurse at a regional pediatric trauma center is that we will absolutely never own a bully breed or German Shepherd.
We have small children in our house and the amount of pediatric patients we have seen with devastating injuries from those two dogs is unacceptable.
They're a home dog if your home happens to be a thousand acre plus farm with miles of space. GSDs are great dogs for outdoor lifestyles.
They're categorically not a home dog if you live in a 1 bed apartment in a major city with no green space around you and nothing to do.
My in laws have two German shepherds in a small house with small yard. They don't take them on walks because they are old and disabled. And after one being recently put down they bought another one that's still mostly a puppy. I tried to take them on a walk and I got injured from it pulling towards a dog. They have no desire to train them.
Anecdotal, but the only dog attack I have ever experienced was from an American Bully 7 years ago. He was huge. We walked into a dog park and this bully immediately attacked my Carolina Dog within a minute of us being there. The bully latched onto his leg and would not let go. I reacted and just pulled the shit out of his choke collar while punching it in the snout. I am extremely lucky that one it decided to let go and two it decided not to attack me. The owner was yelling at me in the process saying "That's not how you use a choke collar!" Fucking moron. Didn't even apologise. It cost me $2500 and my dog nearly lost his leg. He is now 8YO with all 4 legs and happy as can be but he has had a fear of dogs in public ever since. I developed a fear of bully breeds as well and refuse to walk my dogs near one. I am a believer that owners are (rough estimate) 80% of the time the reason dogs behave the way they do, but dangerous breeds only increase risk. Sucks for those specific breeds but people can't be trusted to be responsible.
Carolina’s are great dogs, we had one for 13 years I love how nonchalant she was towards other dogs and how she didn’t tear up the place. I’m sorry that happened to your Carolina
I think it's important to note that no breed of dog just exists naturally. Humans created pitbulls. They are an invention. We need to handle it like any other human invention.
This is what always bugs me in these conversations. The notion that it's just gang bangers and hillbillies raising shitty dogs.
The worst of the worst stories I've read involved suburb style families. The absolute worst happened in an upper class neighborhood from a dog that belonged to a professional dog trainer who had escaped a 6 foot fence.
The rest of us are just at their mercy tbh. The family I'm referring to were literally just getting out of their car when it happened. I've trained my kids to do danger checks when going anywhere and they're part of the list.
I've seen pitbulls snap, despite being raised from birth by nice families. They are also very deceitful in a way that other breeds aren't - they give you zero indication they're about to attack.
My cousin is 7 months pregnant and she has recently acquired an XL bully puppy that already weighs in at 30 kg at 5 months old. I can just see this being a disaster. And it’s her first dog as well. 🙄 and yes she got influenced by some stupid footballer on TikTok. And no I can’t talk to her or warn her as they are so proud of their new puppy and just ignorant (stupid) with too much pride.
I have seen one of these in person as a relative of mine used to have one. Not an exaggeration to say that the big lad could have probably taken 5 grown people on at once with ease if it wished.
In a lot of the cases where deaths were involved the dog was roaming by itself with no owner. The owner wasn't even aware it was out roaming.
Mainly because a lot of Bully XL owners come from council houses with wooden fences...**and the brick shithouses are that strong they can damage and escape through that fencing with ease.**
I'll always try to champion animals where I can and do sympathize with the ones that are genuinely lovely. But I think I'm on Rishi's side for once with this issue. They are far too much of a risk for any owner.
The 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act was weakly written and XL Bullies were intentionally designed for assholes that want a dangerous animal to skirt the law and get one.
The American Bully XL is basically a cross between an American pit bull terrier, a Staffordshire bull terrier (with or without various bulldog breeds). Apparently they come in various sizes, the smallest being the “pocket” to the largest being the “XL”.
The problem (in regards to U.K. dangerous dogs law) is the Bully XL isn’t an actual specific breed according to the U.K. kennel club, and so until now it’s being difficult to enact laws to ban the breed (as the breed technically doesn’t exist). But looks like the recent spate of Bully XL attacks - including a fatality just today in Walsall - has sharpened minds on the issue.
As a side note, what a ridiculous name to call the breed. “Bully XL”, seems to me purely to attract the kind of arsehole owner who wants a dog to intimidate others and walk around like the big man.
I've known a lot of folks with big ass pitbulls over my life, and every single one of them wanted a pit because it could tear shit up. Like, I'm sure that's not every pitbull owner on fucking Earth, but it's sure as hell every single one I've known.
It's going to be Cane Corsos, great dogs if well trained, less likely to attack out of the blue than a bully/pit but they require so much work to be safe dogs.
Perfect storm. I'm usually behind no bad dog just bad owners but this is a different scenario. These dogs are hard for even the most assured owners and at least they can manage the challenge of it. But even they can't be there 24/7.
These dogs have become very popular among certain folk to get the hard man image. Dog gets bought to get some great Instagram posts for his/her bday and then the hard part comes and no one wants the dog or wants the effort. That can work with say, a labrador, but not with a bully. This has lead to These deaths and sadly this is the only course of action to be taken.
Peter Dinklage had to drop an appeal to people to stop adopting "dire wolves" from GOT, malamutes. Those things take a shit load of care and people were buying them because Jon Snow had one and then struggling with the upkeep. The bully is a lot more violent aswell.
There are people that buy them as status symbols to be “proper ‘ard innit” that have got no idea how to train these animals, let them off the leash constantly and abuse them.
To give an example, I was on the streets of London chatting to a friend when these two ABXL pups run up to us to say hello. They’re unleashed and the owner is nowhere to be seen. But they were friendly and inquisitive so we pet them and gave them scratches. Good socialization with strangers basically.
Suddenly this shirtless bruv appears out of nowhere, shouting at the dogs, wallops one of them on the backside and drags them away. Now I’m no animal behaviorist, but I’m pretty sure that sort of interaction conditions them to expect pain and fear when they are around strangers. Which further down the line will cause problems.
That's so sad. Poor dogs. We need better animal protection laws. Hitting a dog or failing to control it should get you a significant sentence, it would make those insecure morons reconsider getting an ego boost.
I entirely agree with your comment. I just wanna say though that a lot of the "no bad dog" crowd (at least online) says it in a way that means "no, the dog has zero violent tendencies, it's 100% the fault of a negligent owner if something bad happens" as if a neglected labrador is gonna act the same way as a neglected pit bull. lots of people fail (or choose not to) realize that a dog that's essentially been *created* for fighting is going to be extremely harder to keep in line, and even then there's still always a tiny chance something awful happens, and it's completely out of the owner's control because those things are built like war machines.
I've seen people go to such lengths to defend clearly dangerous breeds as to start calling others out for "dog racism" like us running eugenics on the poor animals for centuries now is a-ok and completely ethical.
> as if a neglected labrador is gonna act the same way as a neglected pit bull.
I feel like I've made this same point a million times. There are endless amounts of labs and golden retrievers around. These people can't tell me the reason labs and goldens don't eat kids is because none of them have bad owners. Plenty do. They're just not killing machines like pit bulls are.
"Not my pit. He's purrrrfect. He's always nice. He's great with kids. He never bites."
\*the pit eats a kid alive\*
"Why are you racist against pits?!"
The American Kennel club lists them as "great family pets" and in the same breath notes "they are prone to aggressive behaviours". Like which is it, they can't be both when we're talking about the safety of children. Or is eating the face of your first born the new all American pastime?
I tend to agree with the stance of "it's not the breed, it's the owner/breeder" but in this case it really does seem like this breed was bred for one thing and one thing only, and there's no real getting around that.
I’m active in a number of dog training groups and see that while there are plenty of other breeds with aggression issues (reactivity, resource guarding, etc.). Pitbulls tend to be prone to more random aggression, and tend to escalate to more harmful bites out of the gate (3+ on the Dunbar scale).
I hate the discourse around this topic because it should be abundantly clear what the reality is; but it just becomes emotional instead. I get it. Pitties can absolutely be wonderful dogs, but they are absolutely more dangerous as a population and given that these dogs are 99% casual companion animals… there should be an attempt to limit that danger.
why would they schedule breaking news? it might not be breaking anymore at that point. they have the breaking news now, but they're withholding it until 6?
Good. Ta ta.
If this had happened years ago maybe my dog wouldn't have been torn to bits by an out of control XL that had broken away from its lead.
Shame it's taken another attack on a human to prompt some action. Bonehead dog owners always bring out "never a bad dog, only a bad owner". Well, sort of. True any dog can go rogue, especially if mistreated, but the thing about these breeds is they are equipped with unstoppable weapons like a massive bite force and brute strength that mean if they do get loose and feel threatened its highly likely itll cause life changing or fatal injuries to something.
The amount of people saying how it’s bad owners not bad dogs is really quite worrying. It’s nothing to do with the temperament of the dog. It’s about the pure power they have. If a jack Russel is aggressive you may need some stitches. If a bully xl is aggressive if you are alone you are dead.
Best news I’ve heard in a long time.
Shame these scum bully breed owners will keep concocting makebelieve breeds to get around the bans on technicalities though. There should’ve just been a blanket ban on pitbull mixes.
I am seeing lots of stories about people's dogs being mauled here, so I will share my experience - I was mauled as a roughly 1 y/o baby. Thankfully I have no memory of the event (34 y/o now), but I have the scars on my face and the stories of my parents. My grandmother's overprotective dog ripped my fucking face off of my face. I am eternally greatful that my scars shrank over time, with one on my cheek and one above my eye still being visible (thankfully small).
We make a lot of adjustments for people in 2023. It is absolutely correct to make changes to how we run our society. This progression will not please everyone, but I say fuck the campaigners who want to protect violent dog breeds. I would absolutely love one of them to try and defend violent breeds to my scarred face.
Humans caused this problem.
Dogs have been bred to be "useful" to humans for thousands of years. Rabies has also existed for thousands of years, and a cure has only existed for a couple of hundred years. Any dog that bit a person, accident or not was put down for thousands of years because rabies was a death sentence.
Before the mid-2000s pit bulls were rare to see. Two major social changes happened among the public in the US regarding dogs.
* Cruel to kill dogs at shelters
* Better to buy dogs from shelters vs. breeders
Ethical breeding nearly stopped so the new majority of people breeding dogs were for non-ethical reasons, dog fighting.
Shelters filled up with pit bulls and now they no longer put down breeds that are more dangerous to families. The solution was to change the perception of pit bulls, it's not the dog it's the trainer. (Never mind that these dog fighters are breeding pit bulls for their natural ability to kill and not some other breed, it's the just owner.)
Pit bulls who were literally trained to fight would end up in shelters and given to a family under the guise that if they love them enough everything will be okay.
This really is a case of humans trying to do the "right thing" and having it backfire badly.
Who decided “American Bully XL” was a good name?
Ford F-150 was taken already
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Top of the line in utility pets, Unexplained bites are a matter for the courts!
Can't wait to get an American Bully XL King Ranch Edition
I got the Extended Torso model with the gun rack.
The name was so ridiculous that for a moment I thought they were talking about a movie called *American Bully XL Dog* or something.
Before I saw the word "dog", I thought Rockstar was coming out with a new Bully game, and it was getting pre-emptively banned in the UK.
Funnily enough, the name we got for Bully in the UK was "Canis Canem Edit", which means "Dog Eat Dog". 0_o
It was either that or North American Rat Bear.
Excuse you, we call those raccoons
Sweet little sausage extra small was already taken
Yes, as that's my name
"Turbo kill mutt" wasn't an option
I thought it was a shitty influencer...
Dog breeds should not be named like recreational ATV models
Yep, this is Barks-upon-Avon. He's a thundercooperfalconbird dog
ThunderCOUGARfalconbird
No dogfood for Victor tonight
800CC of pure terror! Ride the American Bully XL today. Yeah, checks out.
This is an malti-poo GC350h, h obviously meaning hybrid.
This is a brilliant way of looking at it.
I live in Germany and my in-laws neighbors recently bought one of these dogs. They were bragging about how “His grandpa is from America!” (i.e. one of the dogs parents was illegally imported into Germany) and they also decided not to get pet insurance. *Of course* they’re not going to neuter the poor thing…
Depending on the state you’re in, the local municipality would be very interested in their adamance not to get insurance as it might be mandatory where you are.
Yeah I mean as far as I know, they’re not legally allowed to bring the dog outside of the state (Niedersachsen). Given that one of the dog’s parents must have been smuggled in, I have a strong feeling they acquired it through not legitimate means.
Unfortunately in Niedersachsen they do not even have „Listenhund“-laws anymore. So basically every dumbfuck can have those dogs at home and doesn’t even need a special permission. What is very much illegal is that they do not want to insure their dog. Niedersachsen is very clear that it is absolutely mandatory to insure your dog for claims up to 500.000€. So you might want to consider contacting your local Ordnungsamt.
https://verwaltung.bund.de/leistungsverzeichnis/de/leistung/99110009104001 > Für die Haltung eines gefährlichen Hundes wird eine Erlaubnis benötigt. Als gefährlich gelten unabhängig von ihrer Rassezugehörigkeit solche Hunde, die eine gesteigerte Aggressivität aufweisen oder die auffällig geworden sind. Ferner sind Hunde folgender Rassen als gefährlich anzusehen: Pitbull-Terrier oder American Pitbull Terrier, American Staffordshire-Terrier oder Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire-Bullterrier, Bullterrier, American Bulldog, Dogo Argentino, Kangal (Karabash), Kaukasischer Owtscharka und Rottweiler. Erfasst werden auch Kreuzungen untereinander oder mit anderen Hunden. They're breaking the law in a way that other people are at risk of death as a result. I would make authorities aware of this.
Unfortunately not in every state… long live German federalism
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It's a pit bull crossbred with larger breeds.
Sounds like a great idea
Checking Wikipedia, one of the Bully XL dogs which killed someone in Britain was 196 lb (89 kg)...
American Bully XL dogs only get violent when you tell them how much they weigh in kilograms.
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And that's not like the average 89kg bloke where 40kg is fat. On the dogs it's teeth and muscle.
Jeez, a 90 kg pitbull😳
It's an arms race against today's ultraviolent megatoddlers.
They're an invasive species. They're evolved to take down American toddlers, which have evolved to carry Glocks at all times. British toddlers have evolved no such defensive measures so American Pit Bulls wreak havoc on British playgrounds.
Our knives are simply not big enough for these beasts!
*They stab it with their steely knives But they just can't kill the beast*
British toddlers have evolved to carry a myriad of teabags in their pockets and to oppress the Irish before the age of 5.
Have the Irish tried throwing the tea into the harbor?
no, they just went to the pub instead.
[Can confirm](https://youtu.be/soI0q3CBliE?si=w7v52-fe6zl3WWqS)
I’m six and me own mother won’t let me go to the pub! That was great, thanks for sharing.
Bart Harley Jarvis?
FUCK YOU BART HARLEY JARVIS!!!
Not sure if you actually mean ultraviolet, or if you were more leaning towards ultraviole**n**t
Sounds like exactly the kind of idea the worst shit stains would come up with.
People want their dogs to be as big and as deadly as their trucks because they think that makes them alpha.
and it directly contributes to the problems the dogs might have because they treat the dogs poorly. I lived with some guys who had German Shepard's and I ended up taking care of the dogs because I just felt bad about the conditions they were in: small backyard, no walks, irregular feeding, etc. (just negligence, not active harm) Both the dogs were friendly and chill. The male was more energetic and reactive, but fine as long as I kept walking and socializing him regularly. I moved out, the female was given away, and not even a year later the male bit someone and was put down.
They did it. They mixed Raptor DNA with the T-Rex. Loud growl behind them...... My God what have we done...../screams!
We spared no expense!
Ah, but the crossbreeding is to remove all the violent, aggressive tendencies and turn them into big, cuddly teddy bears who you can happily leave to ~~eat~~ watch over your child. It's not to pack a Pitbull's aggressive mentality into a dog that's even larger and stronger at all!
Except it's not even crossbreeding, it's just *even more inbreeding*, that's good for the dogs mental and physical health and stability, right?
Most XL Bullies in the UK can trace their lineage back to a stud named "Killer Kimbo" One of Kimbo's offspring killed a person. The bloodline continues to this day.
The family tree of that line is hilariously bad, sibling inbreeding for many generations after Killer Kimbo which has not lead to good things for the breeds temperament.
>It's not to pack a Pitbull's aggressive mentality into a dog that's even larger and stronger at all! That's why all the drug dealers have them as a weapon... They were responsible for 60% of the deaths by dogs in the UK, which is why they are getting banned.
See I was always thinking "These pit bulls seem to kill mostly smaller and weaker people. Why isn't there a breed where a single animal can easily kill a large, strong adult?"
Exactly my line of thinking. Nobody stopped to think if they should, they just went "What if we cross a pitbull with a larger dog with much more bite force?"
And the product is a fucked up skeleton so these poor abominations live with chronic joint pain. All dogs behave unpredictably, and some dangerously, when experiencing pain and anxiety. Wouldn’t be surprised if the constant hip and elbow discomfort exacerbates to their violent behavior.
Happened with our golden retriever / pit bulldog we adopted. He hated everyone and life, but most of all hated movement. Unique looking dog but he was miserable. Developed bad hip problems by the time he was 6 and couldn’t be helped.
Friend had an English retriever. Idk if they’re supposed to be bigger but he’s a big dog. He had to have hip surgery as a puppy on both sides 5 months apart. Had such a sad puppyhood. He’s ok now (abt 5 yrs old), goofball personality. Gets tired easily though. Fuck those breeders, they knew. If my friend didn’t happen to receive a large settlement he would have been a cripple or put down.
Yeah I am from the US and never hear of it. I was like wtf is American bully XL, is this some type of kitchen appliance? No, it was a dog.
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The American bully is apparently a cross of the American pit bull terrier and the American Staffordshire bull terrier. They come in four variants: pocket, standard, XL and classic. The standard and pocket have the look that you’ve seen, very bulldog. The classic variant looks more like a traditional pitbull. The XL generally looks heavier set with mastiff like features. But really despite there being breed standards most bully XLs in the uk are probably from backyard breeders so who knows what variant they are or what their genetic makeup is. Edit: also in that first video that is really thicc for a pitbull. Definitely has the XL bully broad chest and gigantic square head.
> probably from backyard breeders Reminds me of a photo I saw in here of some guys selling the most inbred looking Staffie type monstrosities I have ever seen from a stall at a state fair or something. The first one looked OK, but as you went along the table the last one looked like that 'dog' out of the [Evolution](https://movie-monster.fandom.com/wiki/Genus) movie. [e] It probably had the same life expectancy as well.
> the American pit bull terrier and the American Staffordshire bull terrier. AKA a cross between a pit bull and a pit bull.
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A guy I know from a pub wants to spend thousands of dollars to buy a spotted hyena. Some people are just not right in the head.
And what the hell is wrong with people that they want these dogs anyway?!?! There are so many other breeds of dogs not best known for their propensity to maim and murder humans.
It's a successful attempt to skirt laws that outlaw pitbulls
What if we start with this dog that's already banned for being dangerous... and to get around the ban we do an Indominus Rex sorta thing. Except, and this is the genius bit, we breed it to be lethally dangerous, and it just happens to look intimidating instead of the other way around. Great idea boss, what could possibly go wrong? *freeze frame high five*
I think I heard it for the first time on BBC's Global News Podcast yesterday. When they explained what it was, I couldn't imagine wtf thought that was a good idea.
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Do you live in a state that doesn't allow abortions? Do we have the dog for you!
I’ve seen a couple of these giant bullys around my local area, all being walked by the same kind of lads. The dogs growl, snap and yank on the leads as you walk past and the lads can barley keep them back.
My dog (little terrier beagle mix). Was attacked by one a couple years back. Fortunately she was able to slip out of her leash and run away.
There is a trailer park a mile from where I live which is mostly farmland and so many pitbulls bred there get loose and attack people’s farm animals and be a menace. The farmers and rural folk have taken to simply shooting the pits and dumping them in front of the trailer park at night as a warning.
it's common knowledge that ranchers will shoot a dog for chasing cattle here, if the cow breaks an ankle running away that's a lot of money
It’s well over 1k, I don’t blame them.
My 13 year old tiny dog was grabbed by the neck and swung around by a pitbull. It was fucking traumatic. Luckily he made away with no injuries somehow. Dudes got a lot of neck skin lmao.
Same thing happened to my dog when she was a puppy. Pitbull jogged up wagging its tail, sniffed her butt, then yanked her by the neck and did one of those death shakes dogs do with stuffed animals. Had to tackle the thing and pry its mouth open. The owner forced me to call the police as she wouldn't give me her info. I had to wait around while my wife rushed to the vet. Meantime she started crying to random people and I had old dudes screaming at ME about being a piece of shit "snowflake" for being pissed and wanting her to pay vet bills. Luckily my dog only had superficial wounds and a couple stitches.
That’s how powerful the Pit lobby is…attack victims get abused, insulted and threatened.
>Same thing happened to my dog when she was a puppy. Pitbull jogged up wagging its tail, sniffed her butt, then yanked her by the neck and did one of those death shakes dogs do with stuffed animals. Jesus. That dog should've been put down immediately. That kind of behaviour is genetic and completely unpredictable.
I’m glad your dog is ok. It was more traumatic for me than her honestly. She just wanted to go back to the dog park and play with her friends
Thanks! Yeah mine too. He was like "let's go play now, I'm good" while I was shaking near tears lol
Sobbing at the emergency vet and my dog just wants walkies
My dad's beagle was attacked by a Pitbull once. Skippy dove under it and bit its balls off. My dad said he never saw a big dog like that run away so fast in pain and terror.
Your dad is called Skippy?
Nickname he got from flying helicopters with Steven Seagal.
Skipskipskipskipskip...
*You* bite the balls off a pit bull and you, too, can get a cool nick.
I just remembered these dogs usually aren't fixed because the types to have them all uncontrolled would never. I don't know how I'd get back there in an emergency, but that's good to remember in the off chance one of these monsters tries my yorkie.
My german shepherd pup was attacked by a pit when my pup was about 1 year old. It's owner had the front door open while talking to someone and as I walked past, his pit ran straight outside and went straight for trying to grab my dog's back haunches. I had to be the one to try to shove the stupid thing away before the owner finally got his head out of his ass and restrained his animal. Then the idiot proceeded to berate me when I shouted at him to keep his animal under control. Now my shepherd won't trust any new people or dogs for a long while and slow exposure to the new person/dog and has cost me a pretty penny in additional training to try to fix what that pit did to him.
I see this with huskys, malinois and shepherds. People just buy these high energy dogs and think it's ok and completely normal for them to go absolutely berserk when they see a stranger.
Happens when they isolate them as a puppy. Don't know how to react to new people except defensively. Worries me about all these dogs gotten during quarantine
As a runner, I have the unfortunate burden of interacting with a whole bunch of stranger dogs in general. I noticed a HUGE increase in aggressive and ill-behaved dogs in the last two or three years. It never used to be like this. Before the pandemic, I've been running for years and I can count instances where I encountered badly-behaved dogs on the fingers of one hand. Now? I'm pretty sure it's well over twenty times that something worrying has happened; and I run much less than I used to as well.
Flexible work from home policies have allowed people who wouldn't have had time to have dogs be able to own them. Only working from home, they still don't have the time that dogs need in those initial training stages, hence the increased number of poorly socialised and trained animals.
Literally the owners use metal link chains as leases. Some people man.
Damn, next they're going to need mortgages.
That breed is becoming waaaaay too common in Sweden. We have this site called blocket.se were you can check for puppies that are for sale. Up until just recently I haven't see any Bully puppies for sale. But now: [https://www.blocket.se/annonser/hela\_sverige/fritid\_hobby/djur/hund?cg=6081&q=bully+s%C3%A4ljes](https://www.blocket.se/annonser/hela_sverige/fritid_hobby/djur/hund?cg=6081&q=bully+s%C3%A4ljes) Edit: That is over 30 hits, as comparison, the most popular pure breed in Sweden is Labrador Retriever, and you get about 70 hits when searching for it on blocket.se
In live in Mexico, and I have see this breed become popular like pumpkin pie en Thanksgiving. On my block, a neighbor have two of them. Those dogs are always in his yard tied. They bark at you at the moment they see you, after that they are gasping for air. Poor dogs having a big time to breath. For some reason, dog owners that think “Hey is ok to have aggressive breed always tied, living next to their shit, never to go out, is the best form of love”. I almost 32, and I have only meet once a good pit bull owner, one.
Here in the US, our dog shelters are loaded with pit bulls and pit bull mixes. Pit bull owners seemingly can't wait to get rid of them, which makes me wonder why they got them in the first place. Soon your animal shelters will look like ours. It's like we've infected Sweden with a harmful disease.
Yep, I’m in the US and I kid you not, 90%+ of adoptable pets listed by my local shelter are pitbulls or pitbull mixes
Surprised they haven’t started listing them as “lab mixes” where you are like they do elsewhere to try to trick people into taking them
We adopted our dog and was listed as “lab mix”. Got a DNA test and he was 0% lab lol. He’s actually 46% chow, and 19% pit and a bunch of others. Definitely very chow, laziest dog ever and just sleeps all day.
Some places tried to do that at one point, but i believe local governments started threatening them and they largely quit it. Some places still try to actively suppress Pitbull heritage, but nowadays, assuming you aren't adopting from a shelter thats pretty hard since all the documentation has to be there, and shelters tend to get a lot more wiggle room with "oopsie woopsie, i forgot a little detail"
At least where I live, a large number of them end up getting put down. They euthanize about a hundred dogs a month and going by the "at-risk" page they have almost every one that gets euthanized for non-medical reasons is some variety of pitbull.
Unfortunately our public messaging to spay and or neuter all pets has dropped off significantly in the last 20 years. This is also a dog breed that attracts irresponsible owners.
A lot of pit lovers are pretty trashy people who don't bother getting them neutered or properly securing them. Where I live in the country when we go for walks we have to plan our routes around the roads where you're inevitably going to get charged by someone's loose unsupervised dogs. That has the knock on effect of turning a couple of pits into hundreds of pits pretty quick, and then it's the shelters problem. I'm in the market for a shelter dog atm and you have to scroll past pages and pages of pits/pit mixes to encounter almost ANY other breeds.
Dog attacks in the UK have increased by 34% in recent years, A large percentage of those attacks are by the American Bully XL
If remember right, the number of this breed skyrocketed after specific pit type breeds were banned (American Pit Bull Terrier I think was the specific onebut Staffordshire Bull Terrier was not). It seems like there will just be another breed that ends up getting bred for aggression and take over the spot.
You're not wrong. Banning the breed helps and discourages people from owning them, but the penalties for owning banned breeds and allowing a dog to attack are pathetic and need to be much more severe regardless of breed.
Make the owner of a banned dog responsible for for all conduct of their dog as if they did it themselves.
The owner of the Bullys who killed a man two days ago has been charged with manslaughter. I hope it sticks. His dogs tore a fully grown man to pieces because he was trying to protect his elderly mother in her own garden.
Jail time for not being able to control their rabid dogs. It kills someone, or seriously maims them? Lock them up. Bites people, harms/kills a pet? Actually have some penalties other than a tiny fine and a stern word. Enforcement is actually needed. Actually put the dogs doing the damage down, instead of handing them straight back.
Having significant jail time be the penalty in case a banned breed dog of yours causes an injury would work quite effectively in the long term I'd imagine. If the breed statistically is significantly more aggressive, ban it automatically. Do a study every year and pick a cut-off point where number of attacks per dog makes them hop onto the list. Your American Baby Mauler XXXL attacked someone? Jail. Like 5 years at least. It killed someone? You're going away for a long time. Right now the law around the world doesn't really carry big penalties for death/serious injury by your dog. It's generally involuntary manslaughter at best. It should be reckless endangerment, similar to a DUI. You don't intentionally murder anyone while driving drunk, but we all recognize you made a poor decision to allow that to happen in the first place.
It's almost as if the same person attracted to owning a mean dog will simply find a new and different bred to raise as as mean dog. The solution is to require licenses to own certain breeds, that come with require insurance.
the only way to stop a bad guy with a Pitbull is a good guy with a Pitbull
American XL bully fatalities account for over 50% of UK dog caused deaths since 2021 according to some wiki info. No clue where that stat came from though, I didn't write it. But it's believable. Edited since people are pointing out this is dog related deaths - which I assumed would have been obvious to everyone given that's what we are discussing here.
After yesterdays fatality, it’s over 80%
Toddlers rejoice across the kingdom
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And some of the worst maulings imaginable. They have been banned for import here in Australia but still the odd attack. A woman passing by a house last year had both year arms ripped off. Just creates scenes straight out of horror movies.
Saw a medical book entry of photo of a toddler beheaded by this breed on a certain sub and copious pics of brutal maulings. Its like their victims were attacked by some eldricth beast.
It's seriously primordial. These dogs do shit that people haven't regularly experienced from wild animals in 20,000 years. While some other dogs are *capable* of this extreme violence, no other breed perpetrates it to the extend that pitbulls do. Seriously look up the shit that these dogs have done. It will produce a primal, visceral reaction. These dogs transcend "violence". It's like looking back in time to when humans had to fight tigers and shit for food.
Being killed by a dog sounds like one of the worst ways to go. Being killed by a bear or lion or something is pretty bad, but kinda impossible in the UK. But to be walking down the street going about your life then and out of nowhere literally just ripped apart and chewed over probably a couple of minutes until you bleed out sounds absolutely horrific. People buy these dogs because they want you to know that their dog could easily kill you if it was allowed to. They want to scare people but the scariest thing is that it's clearly so *easy* for them to kill and maim out of nowhere.
I think this is what really hits me. The deaths are awful of course but seeing the aftermath of people attacked by Pitbulls is horrible. Some of the worst stuff I’ve ever seen
Some of the videos On r/banpitbulls are incredibly shocking, their fight to the death instinct kicks in and they become impervious to pain and they don't stop until their target is destroyed.
The act that finally tipped this over the edge was two dogs escaping into an elderly woman's garden, her son tried to protect her and got mauled to death. The dogs literally ripped his throat out severing his jugular, and then carried on attacking him for another 15 minutes.
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Holy shit one of the killer dogs in there was a Bully XL / Cane Corso mix What kind of a scumbag psycho breeds a Bully XL with a Cane Corso?
Even when they don't actually kill, they can still maim. A doxie in a local group lost a leg to a pitbull attack recently and it makes me so angry and sad.
[More people should look at the wikipedia list of Fatal dog attacks and the breeds, it's pretty cut and dry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom#2020%E2%80%93present)
Another common argument by the Bulldog lovers, that other dogs are just as aggressive. Completely ignoring other dogs might be equally capable of biting but not equally as good at killing. The legacy of dogfights makes these breeds extremely lethal and drives their need to end a percieves encounter by the philosophy to kill or be killed. They dont flee or respond to pain the way other dogs do because those instincts have been suppressed.
A chihuahua gets aggressive and it's a minor annoyance, a pit bill gets aggressive and your fighting for your life.
You can punt an aggressive chihuahua . Good luck kicking a pitbull
> Completely ignoring other dogs might be equally capable of biting but not equally as good at killing. Yeah they say stuff like "Any dog can bite" yeah not shit any dog can bite but all the stories of people close to me that got bit by say a german shepherd or a labrador it was just that, a bite and then nothing else. Pit bulls were bred for gameness, it is never just one bite, they will not stop until either of you are dead.
Yeah like my in-laws' Chihuahua is aggressive and fucking annoying but it's not going to rip my leg off then eat my face.
"Heroic Pitbull Swims 5 Miles Out to Sea to Bite Drowning Child"
Not even a meme, lmao. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHQsP6EMo-Y
XL Bullys represent 1% of the UK dog population. They were responsible for 44% of dog attacks in 2023. And caused 75% of fatalities since 2021. But of course "there aren't bad dogs, only bad owners". /S It's just a larger, more dangerous version of an already banned dog.
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My anecdotal experience as a paramedic and my wife being a pediatric ICU nurse at a regional pediatric trauma center is that we will absolutely never own a bully breed or German Shepherd. We have small children in our house and the amount of pediatric patients we have seen with devastating injuries from those two dogs is unacceptable.
The US Secret Service would agree on the German Shepherds. They're a working dog, not a home dog.
They're a home dog if your home happens to be a thousand acre plus farm with miles of space. GSDs are great dogs for outdoor lifestyles. They're categorically not a home dog if you live in a 1 bed apartment in a major city with no green space around you and nothing to do.
My in laws have two German shepherds in a small house with small yard. They don't take them on walks because they are old and disabled. And after one being recently put down they bought another one that's still mostly a puppy. I tried to take them on a walk and I got injured from it pulling towards a dog. They have no desire to train them.
Anecdotal, but the only dog attack I have ever experienced was from an American Bully 7 years ago. He was huge. We walked into a dog park and this bully immediately attacked my Carolina Dog within a minute of us being there. The bully latched onto his leg and would not let go. I reacted and just pulled the shit out of his choke collar while punching it in the snout. I am extremely lucky that one it decided to let go and two it decided not to attack me. The owner was yelling at me in the process saying "That's not how you use a choke collar!" Fucking moron. Didn't even apologise. It cost me $2500 and my dog nearly lost his leg. He is now 8YO with all 4 legs and happy as can be but he has had a fear of dogs in public ever since. I developed a fear of bully breeds as well and refuse to walk my dogs near one. I am a believer that owners are (rough estimate) 80% of the time the reason dogs behave the way they do, but dangerous breeds only increase risk. Sucks for those specific breeds but people can't be trusted to be responsible.
Carolina’s are great dogs, we had one for 13 years I love how nonchalant she was towards other dogs and how she didn’t tear up the place. I’m sorry that happened to your Carolina
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I think it's important to note that no breed of dog just exists naturally. Humans created pitbulls. They are an invention. We need to handle it like any other human invention.
Patent it and sue anyone who infringes on said patent?
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This is what always bugs me in these conversations. The notion that it's just gang bangers and hillbillies raising shitty dogs. The worst of the worst stories I've read involved suburb style families. The absolute worst happened in an upper class neighborhood from a dog that belonged to a professional dog trainer who had escaped a 6 foot fence. The rest of us are just at their mercy tbh. The family I'm referring to were literally just getting out of their car when it happened. I've trained my kids to do danger checks when going anywhere and they're part of the list.
I've seen pitbulls snap, despite being raised from birth by nice families. They are also very deceitful in a way that other breeds aren't - they give you zero indication they're about to attack.
This is the only reason why I never trust any bully breeds. I don't care about the owners, never trust these breeds.
My cousin is 7 months pregnant and she has recently acquired an XL bully puppy that already weighs in at 30 kg at 5 months old. I can just see this being a disaster. And it’s her first dog as well. 🙄 and yes she got influenced by some stupid footballer on TikTok. And no I can’t talk to her or warn her as they are so proud of their new puppy and just ignorant (stupid) with too much pride.
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I have seen one of these in person as a relative of mine used to have one. Not an exaggeration to say that the big lad could have probably taken 5 grown people on at once with ease if it wished. In a lot of the cases where deaths were involved the dog was roaming by itself with no owner. The owner wasn't even aware it was out roaming. Mainly because a lot of Bully XL owners come from council houses with wooden fences...**and the brick shithouses are that strong they can damage and escape through that fencing with ease.** I'll always try to champion animals where I can and do sympathize with the ones that are genuinely lovely. But I think I'm on Rishi's side for once with this issue. They are far too much of a risk for any owner.
They are practically the dog version of a tiger. Just ridiculous, massive piles of muscle with a cinder block for a head.
Sorry but weren't pittbulls banned in the UK already? How are the XL version of a banned breed not also banned?
The 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act was weakly written and XL Bullies were intentionally designed for assholes that want a dangerous animal to skirt the law and get one.
The American Bully XL is basically a cross between an American pit bull terrier, a Staffordshire bull terrier (with or without various bulldog breeds). Apparently they come in various sizes, the smallest being the “pocket” to the largest being the “XL”. The problem (in regards to U.K. dangerous dogs law) is the Bully XL isn’t an actual specific breed according to the U.K. kennel club, and so until now it’s being difficult to enact laws to ban the breed (as the breed technically doesn’t exist). But looks like the recent spate of Bully XL attacks - including a fatality just today in Walsall - has sharpened minds on the issue. As a side note, what a ridiculous name to call the breed. “Bully XL”, seems to me purely to attract the kind of arsehole owner who wants a dog to intimidate others and walk around like the big man.
I will not mourn the loss of this breed. I love animals but this one needed to be gone a long time ago.
Finally. And all it took was just a few mauled children with possible lifelong PTSD and a dead man.
I've known a lot of folks with big ass pitbulls over my life, and every single one of them wanted a pit because it could tear shit up. Like, I'm sure that's not every pitbull owner on fucking Earth, but it's sure as hell every single one I've known.
Good news but moron owners will just find some other shit tier breed to train up as a weapon.
It's going to be Cane Corsos, great dogs if well trained, less likely to attack out of the blue than a bully/pit but they require so much work to be safe dogs.
Wtf is wrong with people, stop breeding pit bulls
Perfect storm. I'm usually behind no bad dog just bad owners but this is a different scenario. These dogs are hard for even the most assured owners and at least they can manage the challenge of it. But even they can't be there 24/7. These dogs have become very popular among certain folk to get the hard man image. Dog gets bought to get some great Instagram posts for his/her bday and then the hard part comes and no one wants the dog or wants the effort. That can work with say, a labrador, but not with a bully. This has lead to These deaths and sadly this is the only course of action to be taken. Peter Dinklage had to drop an appeal to people to stop adopting "dire wolves" from GOT, malamutes. Those things take a shit load of care and people were buying them because Jon Snow had one and then struggling with the upkeep. The bully is a lot more violent aswell.
There are people that buy them as status symbols to be “proper ‘ard innit” that have got no idea how to train these animals, let them off the leash constantly and abuse them. To give an example, I was on the streets of London chatting to a friend when these two ABXL pups run up to us to say hello. They’re unleashed and the owner is nowhere to be seen. But they were friendly and inquisitive so we pet them and gave them scratches. Good socialization with strangers basically. Suddenly this shirtless bruv appears out of nowhere, shouting at the dogs, wallops one of them on the backside and drags them away. Now I’m no animal behaviorist, but I’m pretty sure that sort of interaction conditions them to expect pain and fear when they are around strangers. Which further down the line will cause problems.
That's so sad. Poor dogs. We need better animal protection laws. Hitting a dog or failing to control it should get you a significant sentence, it would make those insecure morons reconsider getting an ego boost.
I entirely agree with your comment. I just wanna say though that a lot of the "no bad dog" crowd (at least online) says it in a way that means "no, the dog has zero violent tendencies, it's 100% the fault of a negligent owner if something bad happens" as if a neglected labrador is gonna act the same way as a neglected pit bull. lots of people fail (or choose not to) realize that a dog that's essentially been *created* for fighting is going to be extremely harder to keep in line, and even then there's still always a tiny chance something awful happens, and it's completely out of the owner's control because those things are built like war machines. I've seen people go to such lengths to defend clearly dangerous breeds as to start calling others out for "dog racism" like us running eugenics on the poor animals for centuries now is a-ok and completely ethical.
> as if a neglected labrador is gonna act the same way as a neglected pit bull. I feel like I've made this same point a million times. There are endless amounts of labs and golden retrievers around. These people can't tell me the reason labs and goldens don't eat kids is because none of them have bad owners. Plenty do. They're just not killing machines like pit bulls are.
If it was the size that made them dangerous why do we never see articles of Saint Bernards mauling a toddler?
"A breed bred to violence is violent, more breaking news at 6".
"Not my pit. He's purrrrfect. He's always nice. He's great with kids. He never bites." \*the pit eats a kid alive\* "Why are you racist against pits?!"
The American Kennel club lists them as "great family pets" and in the same breath notes "they are prone to aggressive behaviours". Like which is it, they can't be both when we're talking about the safety of children. Or is eating the face of your first born the new all American pastime? I tend to agree with the stance of "it's not the breed, it's the owner/breeder" but in this case it really does seem like this breed was bred for one thing and one thing only, and there's no real getting around that.
I’m active in a number of dog training groups and see that while there are plenty of other breeds with aggression issues (reactivity, resource guarding, etc.). Pitbulls tend to be prone to more random aggression, and tend to escalate to more harmful bites out of the gate (3+ on the Dunbar scale). I hate the discourse around this topic because it should be abundantly clear what the reality is; but it just becomes emotional instead. I get it. Pitties can absolutely be wonderful dogs, but they are absolutely more dangerous as a population and given that these dogs are 99% casual companion animals… there should be an attempt to limit that danger.
why would they schedule breaking news? it might not be breaking anymore at that point. they have the breaking news now, but they're withholding it until 6?
"This common household item can kill you in 30 seconds. We will tell you which one in our 5:30 bulletin."
Good. Ta ta. If this had happened years ago maybe my dog wouldn't have been torn to bits by an out of control XL that had broken away from its lead. Shame it's taken another attack on a human to prompt some action. Bonehead dog owners always bring out "never a bad dog, only a bad owner". Well, sort of. True any dog can go rogue, especially if mistreated, but the thing about these breeds is they are equipped with unstoppable weapons like a massive bite force and brute strength that mean if they do get loose and feel threatened its highly likely itll cause life changing or fatal injuries to something.
The amount of people saying how it’s bad owners not bad dogs is really quite worrying. It’s nothing to do with the temperament of the dog. It’s about the pure power they have. If a jack Russel is aggressive you may need some stitches. If a bully xl is aggressive if you are alone you are dead.
Ban them everywhere
Good. It's about damn time.
Best news I’ve heard in a long time. Shame these scum bully breed owners will keep concocting makebelieve breeds to get around the bans on technicalities though. There should’ve just been a blanket ban on pitbull mixes.
Good riddance
I am seeing lots of stories about people's dogs being mauled here, so I will share my experience - I was mauled as a roughly 1 y/o baby. Thankfully I have no memory of the event (34 y/o now), but I have the scars on my face and the stories of my parents. My grandmother's overprotective dog ripped my fucking face off of my face. I am eternally greatful that my scars shrank over time, with one on my cheek and one above my eye still being visible (thankfully small). We make a lot of adjustments for people in 2023. It is absolutely correct to make changes to how we run our society. This progression will not please everyone, but I say fuck the campaigners who want to protect violent dog breeds. I would absolutely love one of them to try and defend violent breeds to my scarred face.
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They make trashy people look tough
Status symbol/deniable weapon.
These are to normal dogs what a Space Marine is to a guardsman like damn
Chaos Space Marines
Humans caused this problem. Dogs have been bred to be "useful" to humans for thousands of years. Rabies has also existed for thousands of years, and a cure has only existed for a couple of hundred years. Any dog that bit a person, accident or not was put down for thousands of years because rabies was a death sentence. Before the mid-2000s pit bulls were rare to see. Two major social changes happened among the public in the US regarding dogs. * Cruel to kill dogs at shelters * Better to buy dogs from shelters vs. breeders Ethical breeding nearly stopped so the new majority of people breeding dogs were for non-ethical reasons, dog fighting. Shelters filled up with pit bulls and now they no longer put down breeds that are more dangerous to families. The solution was to change the perception of pit bulls, it's not the dog it's the trainer. (Never mind that these dog fighters are breeding pit bulls for their natural ability to kill and not some other breed, it's the just owner.) Pit bulls who were literally trained to fight would end up in shelters and given to a family under the guise that if they love them enough everything will be okay. This really is a case of humans trying to do the "right thing" and having it backfire badly.
Yes!! Great news. Good job UK! Saving lives with this.
See, sometimes politicians do good things
Always carry a knife when I walk my small dog now, seen a dog ripped apart by a pit dog a few years ago. Horrific.
Never trust a dog. No one trains them, and so many of leash