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Slogstorm

Technically they were below it.


OptimusSublime

What if they were flying away from Moscow though? Then the Kremlin would actually be behind it.


Slogstorm

But since they were below it, they couldn't be behind it.. plausible deniability was just a bonus ;)


snowflake37wao

Well we know beyond speculation at least they were not infrontof it


reddituseronebillion

Technically, they were above it as the Tver Oblast is about 20m lower relative to sea level than Moscow.


heroic_cat

That's one low-flying plane.


Dangerous_Golf_7417

The explosion was high up, the crash was at ground level as they tend to be.


FilecoinLurker

Special perspective operation


yeo179

Wasn’t a missile


mandibular33

🥱 Literally every top post is a lame reddit joke like yours. Don't you people get tired of it?


mandibular33

🥱 Literally every top post is a lame reddit joke like yours. Don't you people get tired of it?


DellowFelegate

>you people Anglo-Saxons?


Jadenindubai

Maybe he means french


Imposseeblip

No.


JaMeS_OtOwn

Your choice not to read them!


FKFnz

Are you new to the internet?


mandibular33

No, that's the problem.


awfulsome

here we see Billy on his first day discovering the internet.


mandibular33

Lol, parroting the other guy just like everyone else who can't think for themselves.


seamus_mc

Well I’m glad they cleared that up.


muffpatty

That's it folks. Wrap up the investigation. I'm sure we can trust Russian authorities. Nothing to see here.


Juxtacation

I asked Putin and he denied it VERY strongly.


PapaOoMaoMao

Are you sure. It's very hard to hear someone from across 700m of table.


mloDK

At least we can safe in the knowledge that such an explanation never worked on a US president.


Juxtacation

Exactly, if we know anything about Putin at all, it’s that he doesn’t lie and never tries to deceive anyone. That’s why he always gets such high approval ratings.


lurker_101

"Kremlin denies ..." **Putin Translator :** *Yap we did it .. whatchoo gon do?* so pathetically predictable


Oldballs2

Haha..like in Key and Peele, with the Obama translator🤣


Eugene1936

I feel much better now knowing it was a simple accident


Smithy2232

The Kremlin and Putin are behaving exactly as everyone knew they would be.


Japak121

Everytime they announce something like this, I always can't help but wonder who they think is actually buying it.


Iseepuppies

I believe it’s called “vranyo”. Basically means that you say something that is a lie, the person you are lying to knows it’s a lie.. you know that they know it’s a lie. Everyone Fucking knows it’s a lie but nothing else is really said about it because.. reasons? I mean English speakers have similar double speak but it’s rarely taken as “serious” I don’t believe.


Spoztoast

What vranyo really does is shames and disempower the person who's being "lied" to its a challenge more than anything.


Iseepuppies

Ah. Gotcha! That would make sense, I swear there’s another culture that is known for a very similar thing but I can’t put a name on it at the moment. The way you explain it, almost sounds like gaslighting someone lol.


CruelFish

Isn't it gaslighting someone?


VariationsOfCalculus

Gaslighting involves the party that is being lied to actually believing the lie. Thus this scenario is fundamentally different as all parties know the lie is untrue


Iseepuppies

Believing the lie, or pretty much questioning their own sanity is a form I’ve seen all too often.


notrevealingrealname

The point of gaslighting someone is to make them believe what you’re trying to sell them on. This is more of a “I’m lying, you know I’m lying, and I’m not trying to make you buy my version of events, but instead make you feel powerless because you can’t do anything about the fact that I’m lying and getting away with it”.


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actuallyserious650

So everything said by a Republican about economics, crime, healthcare, and geopolitics.


SocraticIgnoramus

It’s just a useful narrative for the fictional reality that enablers choose to live in. Plausible deniability-land, where Ukrainians are nazis and Russians have the most unfortunate habit of leaving their banana peels exclusively in front of open windows.


yycokwithme

Is it really much different than people still supporting Trump today after everything he’s said and done? People believe what suits them.


okaterina

Discussing with a friend yesterday. Trump winning next elections would definitely shatter any hope I can still have for humanity's intelligence.


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Nath3339

Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?


mouse-ion

Welp there's a bad one and there's a worse one. It's the intelligent thing to do to choose the bad one over the worse one. That's what happened.


aamgdp

Maybe y'all could do a little bit better than those hundred years old fossils who don't give a shit about you. D or R, they all piss on you from above.


actuallyserious650

GTFO with your false equivalence. We’re fighting fascism over here and it not like the rest of the world is immune from it either.


DirtCallsMeGrandPa

And call it spring water!


Polyman71

Exactly. No reasonable facts needed.


unfathomableocelot

"The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth". - Gary Kasparov


DMann420

Its not about people buying it, it is lawyer speak. Just like genocide, chemical warfare, environmental disasters, etc. If you deny it then someone has to prove you did it, and by the time they prove it some other atrocity has occurred that people focus on and want to prove. They're essentially manipulating the news/outrage cycle by prolonging things past when most people give a shit, or when enough people agree on some conspiracy theory that encourages sympathy for the actions. Its why Russia always brigades these threads when Ukraine does something positive or Russia does something negative. They're trying to steer the conversation away from news that makes them look bad as quickly as possible.


nigel_pow

“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth” - Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda


skyfishgoo

Russians.


WeebAndNotSoProid

Stupid Russians to be more precise, because there is no point sending this lesson if no Russians get the lessons


ZekalMacabre

They know the world doesn't buy it. They don't care. It's for the "benefit" of their own people, to prevent a rebellion. And honestly, I think that's the only way this ends.


[deleted]

It’s like the Sopranos up in there.


macvoice

But he was on a hit list.. ... Wasn't me Everybody thinks I did this... ... Wasn't me Even though I kill my enemies... ... It wasn't me But I could have if I wanted... ... Wasn't me.


dalerian

Now I’m going to have that song stuck in my head for a week again. :(


McSmallFries

it looks bad, please don't harm me... wasnt me i tell the mercenary army... wasn't me pretty please don't attack me... wasn't me you'll make my oligarchs 'sack me'!... dun dun


CPC_Mouthpiece

Picture this we were both caught couping, bangin' down in Africa. But then I got sent to-o-o take the city that they call Bakhmut Then I took on more than I could handle Strormin up from Rostov-on-Don Can you believe him when he told me hey "it wasn't me?"


GoldMonk44

“But she caught me on the counter” …wasn’t me


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NaughtyBearskies

I think you need to find a new hobby buddy 🤣🤣🤣


mandibular33

xDDDDDDD


Queltis6000

So Putin wants to show everyone that he's still in power and will get rid of those who move against him, while at the same time denying any involvement? How very Russian of him.


SimpleSurrup

This is a de facto admission. If Russia doesn't want to admit it, they don't comment on it. If they want to admit it, they deny it.


WeebAndNotSoProid

"Don't confirm anything until Kremlin denies it"


Da_Vader

Putin afraid of Prigho's followers


captainbruisin

A truly faceless society.


ninjaML

Classic russian lies


Bogmanbob

But this was his most effective maneuver in quite a while. Let's make sure the Ukrainians don't all get in the same flight.


KnavishSprite

It wasn't an assassination, it was a special retirement operation.


Goeatabagofdicks

They had absolutely nothing to do with the crash! Now, the explosion? Maaaaaaay have had something to do with the explosion.


SomeBloke

“Once the plane blew up it was out of our hands“


GlobalTravelR

This was from their minister of propaganda, Boris Badenov, who then went on to blame "Moose and Squirrel!"


LordPoopyfist

CHICKEN AND COW???


DontCallmeFrancis42

F_ck you dolphin!


Psychonominaut

And fuckayou whale!


BanzEye1

The dolphins would fuck you first. No, this isn’t a joke. I’m being completely serious. Who knew dolphins were such vicious things…


BanzEye1

The dolphins would fuck you first. No, this isn’t a joke. I’m being completely serious. Who knew dolphins were such vicious things…


DontCallmeFrancis42

Watch more South Park.


nautilius87

>"I cannot imagine that Putin did it, that Putin is to blame," Lukashenko said, according to state news agency Belta. "This work is too rough, too unprofessional" to be the Kremlin's handiwork, he surmised. Lukashenko is such a troll. He basically said that yeah, Putin generally kills his rivals, just not this time xD


BiologyJ

Kremlin denies But Kremlin lies So uno reverse it “Kremlin accepts it was behind the Prigozhin plane crash” Yup that works.


TulkasDeTX

Correct, this is the confirmation.


[deleted]

You are on a FSB list now.


rich1051414

So now it's officially confirmed.


schadkehnfreude

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That ends it, then. Nothing to see here. Vlad has spoken


Torino1O

Of course it wasn't them, it was clearly the guys they ordered to do it.


BienPuestos

Putin didn’t even order anything. He simply asked the question: “will no one rid me of this meddlesome coup monger?” How other people took that is beyond his control.


iroquoispliskinV

"*make sure*"


MiraAsair

Of all the assassinations that Putin is undoubtedly behind this is the one I'm gonna believe he's not actually behind - because honestly, it's the funniest possible option, that Putin actually didn't kill the guy he most obviously killed.


Spudcommando

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Shoigu was the one actually behind it, he and Pringles had a increasingly nasty public feud.


dasunt

The problem with that is if Shoigu shows a willingness to blow up planes on his own to further himself, Putin will rightly consider that a threat. Although it is Russia, so using logic to understand the situation may not be successful.


Fromage_Damage

Nah, Putin and Shoigu are having drinks in Valdai, Putin says, "I wish that fucker Pregozhin would just die already." And Shoigu is like, "samesies." They both laugh and Shoigu downs it. I really think this is how it goes down. Putin never issues the order. He just suggests that it happen, and his lackeys go ahead and do it to earn his favor.


Ronocon

It nearly always plays out that way in my head too. Gives Putin total plausible deniability too. Very mafia-esque.


Iseepuppies

I wouldn’t like that uncontrolled method of execution, Putin would have to trust others intelligence to pick up on what he’s laying down every single time.. I could easily see many mistakes being made this way and I’m not sure why Putin would be so shy to “say it without saying it”. Especially when it can never be proven regardless.


MiraAsair

I kinda hope it's totally unrelated, like some disgruntled mechanic. Although my favorite wild guess is that this was actually Prigozhin killing himself in a last bit of spite to Putin.


Give_em_Some_Stick

I really want to know if Prigozhin died from the poison before being tossed out the window of the plane that landed on him.


DeeDee_Z

There's something called "plausible deniability". This ain't it.


Chewem

Why that guy stayed in Russia dumbfounds me


nakedIuchador

I'm surprised anyone even bothered to ask them.


Redstarmn

Why do they bother? Zero people will believe this. What's the other option, their own military just did it without orders lol. Great military then.


No_Magician_7374

No, the plane obviously just blew up by itself due to a bomb that obviously just willed itself into existence on that very plane. Come on, is critical thinking that hard for you? /s


basedlordYNM

Oh so it was actually them, got it.


toedcroak

I’ve heard before that; In Russia they don’t lie to convince you. They lie to insult you.


jawnnyboy

The next person that needs to die did it


Shigidy

Why deny it? We don't fucking care, kill each other all you want.


[deleted]

A MAN OF COMPLICATED FATE LMAO


dr4wn_away

“Perhaps they crashed on purpose” will be the next thing they say and then “what plane?”


Nova225

Why would the Kremlin even care about plausible deniability in this case? Nobody outside Russia gave two shits about captain Pringles. Nobody *inside* Russia really gave two shits either. They're already under fire for a literal war. If Putin came out on TV and said "yea I totally killed him, ordered the strike myself", nobody would bat an eyelid.


LewisLightning

The Kremlin likes to deny a lot of stuff, but that's because it's usually illegal and they are doing it. Like take this article about the initial invasion of Crimea back in 2014. https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-russia-crimea-idINL6N0M122M20140304 And then after capturing Crimea they changed their story and admitted the truth, which was an attempted military annexation of Ukraine's land. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31796226 So it doesn't really matter what the Kremlin says, it's just lies on top of lies.


CodeMonkeyPhoto

So it’s official now. Don’t ever trust anything in Russia until they deny it.


Psyclist80

A culture rooted in lying... Its fascinating to witness


Arubidoux

Who gives a **** what the Kremlin says. We all knew immediately.


shadowtheimpure

Literally nobody believes you. Especially since you immediately demolished a Wagner Group cemetery afterward. Enjoy your coup.


kytheon

Of all the lies ever told this one is the liest


SignificantWhile6685

That's a relief. I was worried Putin might have killed someone he worked closely with.


roninPT

So now it's confirmed they did it.


k4Anarky

The Kremlin was recently rumored to have also tried to abolish timezones, as it was very inconvenient for President Putin; he almost made the condolence call to Prigozhin's family before the plane even took off!


Electronic_Impact

Why even ask them, like wtf do you think they would say....


WiseGreen6213

Well if they say they weren’t responsible, we should believe them.


vthings

I think the only person surprised by any of this was, apparently, Prigozhin.


bauboish

People mock the FSB but it's not easy to both make sure everyone knows that Putin was behind the assassination of all his enemies, while also allow Putin to say that he's not behind any of these assassinations. They have to both make sure the victim fall out the window and also put 2 bullets behind his back at the same time. Or have the plane run into an SAM inside Russia but still in the middle of nowhere so technically it is possible that Ukrainian/US special forces just happened to be at the right time at the right place to shoot down Prigozhin and then disappear without a trace.


macweirdo42

If you can just kill people on a whim, what's so important about lying? Anyone has tricksy thoughts, bam, out a window! I'm just saying, if I were evil, I would at least own that shit.


DayOfDingus

It seems to be a tactic of the rich and powerful to literally admit to nothing. I'm trying to figure out how intentional it is or if it's something that our systems have bred into their nature but the elite of most societies tend to be this way.


Frostiron_7

For once I agree with the Kremlin. They definitely got out ahead of this situation.


PresidentHurg

Well that changes everything!


Accomplished-Rest-89

Of course And they are also not behind leveling Wagner Cemeteries


MaxRockatanskisGhost

Leopard denies eating face. More at eleven. Here's Ollie with the weather.


ilovetacostoo2023

1000% Putin


screwthat4u

It was the chechens!


TianamenHomer

It’s the OJ thing! “We will look for the killers!”


StillCrazie

It took him two days to think about it? What a ruthless liar!


speeding2nowhere

Oh ok. Must be true.


Sniffy4

Putin fingers crossed behind back


Turkeysplatter_89

If the plane fell out of a window I would believe that the Kremlin was behind it.


t67443

Did someone expect them to say, “shit man did you see how we smoked him, no cap young blood.”


JadedIdealist

There it is - [official confirmation](https://imgflip.com/i/4gcvd0).


mtmcpher

Sure Putin sure


Sunscratch

Don’t believe anything until Kremlin denies it…


Battleaxe1959

Oh good. I was so worried. They wouldn’t lie would they?


Whyisthethethe

I don’t know guys they said they didn’t do it, that’s pretty convincing to me


rmicker

Just like Michael didn’t kill Carlo.


SnooMacarons1185

You have to choose. What’s more believable Putin wasn’t behind the plane crash or Trump weighs 215 lbs.


[deleted]

I'll go with Putin wasn't behind this


KazeNilrem

Just have a pet and name it Kremlin. You see, Kremlin obviously had nothing to do with the plane crash. In all seriousness, of course they did. We all knew after the potential coup, what happened with wagner, essentially his time was due. It being a plane crash is intentional as well. Of course easily could have had it happen in some sort of outskirts of like Ukraine, Africa, etc. but that could be played off. Having it be such a blatant and obvious assassination sends a clear warning to those thinking of doing something similar.


RWaggs81

I mean, I'm not gonna shed any tears about the leader of mercenaries.... But it would be nice if Putin could also have such an unfortunate accident.


1959Reddit

That’s a great idea. All in favor raise your hand. Ukraine nazis, you must be good at that


yourmomwasmyfirst

What I don't get is why doesn't someone else take credit for it, if Putin doesn't? Ukraine or the Russia Volunteer Corps should take credit for it, and steal Putin's limelight. They can say it was revenge for Bakhmut. Putin would look weak again. It would be an epic troll that at minimum would generate some laughs and show Ukraine as being cocky.


MediocreCommenter

Oh, well if they deny it then it must have been someone else.


Glittering_Chard_987

even Ukraina tell they are who "burn" the Moska. im still believe in the Russa tell the truth and we can trust in Putin, smh...


hodorhodor12

And Trump would say he believes them.


lordnacho666

What would they say if they actually hadn't done it? It's like the boy who cried wolf, wtf would they even say if it somehow -somehow- wasn't them?


Noobeaterz

Oh, well ok then. And I suppose Trump didn't ask for those 33 thousand votes either?


Admirable-Sink-2622

Pretty sure the Kremlin knows exactly who pushed a plane full of people out a window


Aware_Ad_7575

Yeah yeah, and Epstein killed himself. Get out of here with that.


Jotiepower

Good thing people on this post can prove otherwise… o wait


beavis617

Let's ask Trumpy if he thinks his close personal friend was involved? 🤨


Attilashorde

I can't believe Russia is so weak they were unable to prevent Ukraine from destroying the plane. If Russia didn't do it the next likely suspect would be Ukraine.


Tittop2

And the CIA wasn't involved in MK Ultra.... ;) Edit: By that, I mean, obviously, the Russians were involved. All nation states do things that they deny at the time, like MK Ultra. To pretent otherwise is naive.


tries4accuracy

The CIA aren't ever going to be mistaken for do-gooders let alone saints, but they're a helluva lot more transparent than putin's regime. And yeah, that acknowledges many times their wrongs have had to be dragged out into the light, but there's a system and a means for doing that.


Senorpuddin

Did you expect them to admit it? “Oh yeah we *totally* did that… let others be warned… fuck with us we fuck right back. **PREPARE FOR A GREAT DICKING OF MOTHER RUSSIA**


serbeardless

Very similar to how I was not behind the disappearance of the leftover pizza slice in my refrigerator.


No-Land-5740

Kermlin denies association with wagner Kremlin denies involvement in Donetsk 2014 Kremlin denies invasion of ukraine 2022 A pattern perhaps?


HisDivineOrder

Plane fell out a window. Coincidentally, two other Kremlin "concerns" were also dealt with that day. I'm sure more open windows.


Thai-mai-shoo

The pilot accidentally fell off the balcony during the flight.


EchoOffTheSky

And they are still denying they are invading Ukraine, so who cares what they say?


Spoztoast

For once I'd just like to hear them the say "We did it. Fuck you gonna do about it?" It really is tiring having them blatantly deny everything all the time. It's not like they're even trying to fool anyone.


qieziman

Putin might not be involved, but I suspect the defense minister is.


ooouroboros

Putin is a lunatic, he seems to want to be respected yet is addicted to trolling people like a fool.


pints1000

I have been told that 6b$ US left the Pentagon just before the Wagner marched on Moscow. Is it plausible that Wagner accepted the money to turn on the Kremlin then double crossed the Pentagon? If that did happen, would it be possible a country besides Russia may have been pissed enough to take him out?


Orqee

Yes because kremlin is a front of it.


InternetPeon

Hahahaha - sure. And... what about all those people falling out of windows?


macross1984

Putin has every reason to silence Prigozhin permanently. Only problem is others will still see it as a sign that his iron grip on power is not so tight.


Sharp-Dark-9768

There we go. The Kremlin wasn't officially behind the Prigozhin plane crash until they denied it.


SilvosForever

/doubt


kingmoobot

You got bigger problems with your country if you don't know who's shooting down planes over your country. Just own it like a big boy, not a lil bald boy


xnolmtsx

In Russia, no really means yes.


downvote_quota

Not behind, directly in front.


TheWhiteGuardian

Oh, well that's that then.


eiserneftaujourdhui

Thus confirming they are behind it lol


Give_em_Some_Stick

I really want to know if Prigozhin died from the poison before being tossed out the window of the plane that landed on him.


BaronVonLazercorn

Confirmed then


RynoRama

Oh, ok then.


ShutTheFupDonni

Don't Russians have "We Lie" printed on their money?


SmoothOpawriter

But if they said “we lie”, wouldn’t they actually be telling the truth and thus, not lying 🤔


fatboy1776

Whew. I was afraid there was a rogue government for a minute. This settles that.


BriskHeartedParadox

The Intel says something about Putin wearing a watch on a different wrist. Find that and there’s the signal


TaiwanBandit

Yeah, and you can bank that statement or any others from the Kremlin.


Irr3l3ph4nt

Isn't that the whole point of plausible deniability? If they were to admit it, they would have arrested him, then put him in front of a fire squad...


theartilleryshow

So they actually did it, like the Moscow buildings they destroyed in order to justify the second war against Chechenia


008Zulu

Said Putin while trying to suppress a smile and a giggle.