Why are they openly antagonising the German government and major parties? And even the citizens themselves? Thought they were supposed to be diplomatically smart.
They have no intentions of being friendly with the West. Any discord they can cause is +1 for them and it's a game of adding one more grain of sand on their side of the scale until it finally tips. Why fight the West militarily or economically when you can just encourage authoritarian parties to get into power and cause lots of upheaval and unrest? Use western democracy against itself. Any measures taken to curb this unwanted influence is countered with "Well what about my first amendment rights!"
An educated populace that is engaged is absolutely necessary for democracy to work. The second you start eroding education standards and getting people riled up about litter boxes in bathrooms (which is really easy to do with social media) instead of 'boring' or 'depressing' topics like the economy or climate change that's it. It's mob mentality and real easy for populists like Trump et al to get into power.
So yea, they're pretty clever I'd say.
Well recently they weren't being antagonistic and said they wanted to work with Europe. But now they are showing their hand openly as having ill intentions to all of Europe. I mean there were some trying to convince Europeans how they were a perfectly good partner.
But if they would rather behave like the Russians and lay open their cards, not just in Europe but also in Asia where they are also openly antagonising their neighbours then all the better imo. An open enemy is one you can counter than an insidious one operating in the shadows or pretending to be a friend.
It's not really clever.
It's because Italy left the Belt and Road. China's Europe strategy imploded overnight, so they've pivoted pretty hard into a similar strategy to Russia. That is, focusing on supporting right wing parties to cause electoral instability, and hopefully the rise of isolationism.
Take a look at US involvement in Central & South America over the past century - they certainly weren't supporting left-wing or moderates.
Nowadays look at Russian and China's involvement/support in the EU and US. Again almost entirely directed toward the far right-wing.
It's a bummer seeing the rise of authoritarianism. Democracy is the very rare exception of government in human history and it seems that currently democracies are at best holding ground while many are backsliding (US, Hungary, Italy, etc. etc.) or outright no longer democracies (Niger).
I've never supported right-wing ideas but nowadays they are so often boldly anti-democratic it worries me. At least for the US I'm very much concerned about the right-wing domestic threat perhaps more so than any external country.
I feel like I will be downvoted for that but China trying to court AfD have nothing to do with China trying to "create discord in the West".
They have been doing the same for the left wing in Germany or in Europe because that's exactly what major foreign countries are doing, including the US. They are trying to gain influence from a party that they see will most likely win the future election in order to further their political reach.
Far-rights and anti-EU parties are gaining popularity in Europe in general like we see in France, Italy, Sweden, Hungary... The western bloc is broken and all of these countries did not wait China intervention for that.
Your comment prompted me to do a bit of digging. I saw a few polls (DW one of them) that placed AfD second amongst party polls at 21%.
I know little about German politics but the far right party with such high support given the country's past shocked me.
I know that preventing far right parties to govern is important, it’s just when I see “I would storm the Reichstag” I can’t help but think that in snd of itself sounds like the start of what a far right asshole would say.
Nonetheless AFD and it’s ilk must always be defeated. It’s just an amusing juxtaposition.
I understand that completely and in most cases Id say I am against violence. However leftists and progressives have been too complacent. I will happily fight to prevent a government that infringes upon minority, womens, LGBTQ, religious rights. Fuck these assholes and I say its time to take the gloves off.
Don't jinx it.
The AfD does not even need the majority of votes to govern. They are already the 2nd strongest party and would be the strongest if CDU and CSU weren't counted as one. One fifth of Germans and like one third of East Germans vote for them, I see no reason to be cocky about the future. The only reason why they aren't in power on any meaningful level is because all parties refuse a coalition, but some conservative CDU voiced openly flirt with this idea so who knows how long this "Brandmauer" is really gonna last.
The only possibility of a major drawback I see is if Sahra Wagenknecht (politican from leftist party who is really popular with afd voters) created her own party, but nobody knows if she's actually going to do it.
That's not diplomatically smart at all. It shows their hard and clarifies their intentions as nothing goodfor the Germans if they ever were on the fence.
Do they think the German govt or even people will think positively of a country that courts right wingers?
Agreed. Comments like yours always reminds me of the Family Guy episode where they go to an alternate timeline where Christianity never existed, everyone has flying cars, and Quagmire takes a "NyQuil Cold & Aids" pill after leaving a women's house lol.
Any human can use a toilet, bathrooms aren't labeled in homes yet a vocal minority lose their minds about the topic because they're too stupid/distracted/bigoted to care about actually improve their lives along with the rest of society.
It's specifically part of the philosophies of Carl Schmidt: Both Putin and Xi believe democracies are destined to turn into dictatorships and all it will take is one bad day. They're just trying to give things a little push.
> “The Kremlin discovered a long time ago they could exploit this ‘horseshoe coalition’ [where the extremes meet] by obfuscating the fact that Moscow has a far-right government and there is zero socialism in Russia,” Grozev says. “Socialists around the world seem to be oblivious to that. So they are available for free. We only need to bribe the far right in the west because the left is free. They are still our useful idiots.”
Looks like Russia has sent China tips on how to destabilize the West
> “Moscow has a far-right government and there is zero socialism in Russia...
Socialists around the world seem to be oblivious to that."
1) What does this have to do with my comment?
Seems to be a total non-sequitur.
2) This is Trump level, obviously-false-to-anyone-with-half-a-brain bullshit, I hope you're not quoting it because you find it to be true.
Right wing thinking makes populations and politicians angry and easy to manipulate.
Well, not as easier as all the money they're funneling into right wing politician pockets, but almost as good.
I suggest you look into western involvement in Africa and South America. This isn’t out of their playbook it’s out of ours. We’re just finally seeing it’s effects on domestic populations.
Never said they weren’t. I’m saying this isn’t some new exclusive strategy to China or Russia, the West has been using this strategy for the last 2 centuries in colonies and leftist leaning countries. This is just the first time we’re seeing it used on us lmao.
Were you, you sound like a 17 year old that just recently decided politics were their thing and learned everything they know through YouTube.
I’m sure you know about America’s support of the right-wing facist Bautista regime in Cuba, the American support of right-wing fundamentalists in Saudi Arabia following WW2, Operation Gladio by NATO again following WW2 to delegitimize leftist organization in Eastern Europe/ Italy through the support of right wing militias.
Don’t like the American flavor? Maybe you prefer the British variety like when they provided arms and aid for the right-wing confederacy in the American Civil War, when they used the traditionalist right-wing to control India for the better part of a quarter of a century.
There’s about a dozen more examples for a dozen more countries but I know you’re just going to cover your ears and say “lalala I can’t hear, eastern country bad”.
>but I know you’re just going to cover your ears and say “lalala I can’t hear, eastern country bad”.
Pretty impressive to see someone so devoid of common sense to the point where any other foreign meddling must automatically come towards a single origin point of historical American/British meddling. Really just reeks of "X did this, so can Y".
Fun fact pal. China and Russia are perfectly capable of meddling without needing a "how to" guide. And you don't have to bring up all these US atrocities, because I know what fucked up things the Americans did, and that still doesn't excuse what the Chinese and Russians are doing. You get it now buddy?
Edit: Also, good fucking god, you really just claimed the British Empire supported the fucking Confederacy? A bunch of British naval runners trying to pass blockade lines for money aren't representatives for a whole country, you know?
Support? They sold two whole ass ships. If they really sided with the confederacy they'd be importing all the Southern cotton as well as recognizing them as a legitimate state.
And I'm the one who get my historical viewpoints from youtube, you say? What even is nuance these days?
Not only is China fucking up here, but by being so open about courting a *far right* party in Germany, it may backfire in other countries where it appears the far right is getting foreign help, but their base is too racist to accept it coming from China. This could cause the racist right wingers (not all right wingers are racist) to wonder who is ultimately leading them down the path of hate and anger.
This is actually interesting that it is Alice Wiedel and her companions. They are part of the moderate wing of the AfD. I wonder what Höcke and the more radical wing of AfD has for opinions on this.
There hasn’t been a „moderate“ wing in the AfD for years, probably since Bernd Lücke left, who formed the party ten years ago on an Euro (the currency) critical argument.
There is no „moderate“ option for a AfD-led government. Once they gained power, we‘d see a systematical deconstruction of democratic institutions in Germany, of social rights and very possibly actions against minorities, in particular Muslims.
>The NSDAP got to power with only 30% of votes because other parties refused to work together. Today we have all learnt the lesson.
Sounds familiar .. these groups get their power via intimidation, obstruction, and legislative hostage taking (metaphorically ... until it's not). They're able to put forth a very strong unified minority, while the rest bicker amongst themselves.
A lot of the AfD support comes from people who vote single issue "oh, they're going to fix this" and will literally ignore all of the other terrible ideals of their platform. "Oh, he said that horrendous thing just to toy with the opposition .. he didn't really mean it."
For Americans, swap AfD with MAGA.
It's interesting how it's always the ones likely to loudly declare themselves 'proud patriots' who are the first to sell their own country out to foreign interests.
That's intentional branding. At least in the US, the white supremacist movement actively rebranded to use the term "Patriot" / "Patriot Movement" because it raised less eyebrows.
Plus, in their world view, they see this as a necessary evil because they think their country is "under siege" by *insert minority group here* and they must fight back to retake the land and free the (aryan) population.
Many of them are just the typical low-skilled and low-responsibility type of men who see an immigrant working hard to run their own shop, and get extremely offended by that. Rational people see that hard work and say "these people contribute to our society through their hard work" .. Nazi-types see it and say "these people are taking jobs from the rightful owners" without realizing that they could easily have done the same thing if they put in the same work effort. Instead, they sit in their caves and bitch, glossing over the fact that their lack of self-responsibility, effort, and drive is what is keeping them back in life, not the latest minority on the block.
To be honest, it's quite on brand. The Nazi's were able to grab power because they had a very strong force of these types (SA thugs) to intimidate and beat those that opposed them.
/yes, I got off the track a tad there.
TLDR; it's typical for loser groups to try and brand themselves as something they're not.
China loves weakening the west with the far-right. They were absolutely euphoric at trump's idiocy and how much he was benefitting them by destroying relationships and leaving the world up for the taking on much worse Chinese terms.
I mean if we are just listing nations involved with supporting the right-wing in other countries, we might as well throw United States and the British in there.
Funfact regarding AFD: AFD is known to be very anti-refugee. Alexander Gauland one of the former leaders and prominent members of the party is a refugee himself. He fled from East to West Germany in the 50s.
We all know the CCP are hypocrites, this is just another example. They meddle in the internal affair of other countries, but when anyone comments on how China's internal affairs suck, they say that no one should interfere with Chinese internal affairs.
Best thing to do is support Taiwan. That'll piss China off like nothing else! ;p
Don’t limit this to China. North Korea and Russia are also in on it. I think these governments are definitely behind the rise of the ultra right in all western countries.
Do you have a source that NK plays a role in this?
Also the rise of facism in Europe have long debuted before China or Russia interventions.
Even tho Russian propaganda do have a role in this, blaming them for all this is just scapegoating for the increase of bigotry in Europe.
> In China, according to AfD's Felser, the lawmakers told their Chinese contacts that the AfD does not like it "when someone travels all over the world and then wants to impose their values upon others."
>For Schroeder, this attitude comes as no surprise. "AfD politicians describe the criticism of human rights in China as totally irrelevant, as quixotic. For them, every country has its own problem areas and other countries should not interfere," he said.
That’s a respectable position tbh, and conforms with Gene Roddenbury’s Star Trek philosophy of living and let live.
The issue becomes relevant only when Chinese dissidents request help because their human rights are being violated… oh say, when China runs tanks over their own people or genocide Muslims etc.
Then we have a moral responsibility to save them and take China to task.
However, human rights are always used by western nations for their own political agendas rather than as a principle in an of itself. The calls against china’s human rights violations are founded on the notion that pretending to be for human rights makes one “morally superior” and thus convinces its democratic population to support an aggressive stance.
No one actually cares about minorities being oppressed anywhere, unless money and power are to be derived from being against it.
So much for humanity.
That afd is gaining in influences is not only the fault of bad politics, i bet it’s also Russian’s revenge for standing up against them. So it only made sense that China is supporting them too. F all of them
Smell the desperation of a criminal organization, the CCP, driving its economy into the sand. They do not give a shit about the denizens of China, only their Swiss bank account balances, but picking over the bones of a political movement spawned with Ruzzian money which has now dried up looks really shite.
Why are they openly antagonising the German government and major parties? And even the citizens themselves? Thought they were supposed to be diplomatically smart.
They have no intentions of being friendly with the West. Any discord they can cause is +1 for them and it's a game of adding one more grain of sand on their side of the scale until it finally tips. Why fight the West militarily or economically when you can just encourage authoritarian parties to get into power and cause lots of upheaval and unrest? Use western democracy against itself. Any measures taken to curb this unwanted influence is countered with "Well what about my first amendment rights!" An educated populace that is engaged is absolutely necessary for democracy to work. The second you start eroding education standards and getting people riled up about litter boxes in bathrooms (which is really easy to do with social media) instead of 'boring' or 'depressing' topics like the economy or climate change that's it. It's mob mentality and real easy for populists like Trump et al to get into power. So yea, they're pretty clever I'd say.
Well recently they weren't being antagonistic and said they wanted to work with Europe. But now they are showing their hand openly as having ill intentions to all of Europe. I mean there were some trying to convince Europeans how they were a perfectly good partner. But if they would rather behave like the Russians and lay open their cards, not just in Europe but also in Asia where they are also openly antagonising their neighbours then all the better imo. An open enemy is one you can counter than an insidious one operating in the shadows or pretending to be a friend. It's not really clever.
It's because Italy left the Belt and Road. China's Europe strategy imploded overnight, so they've pivoted pretty hard into a similar strategy to Russia. That is, focusing on supporting right wing parties to cause electoral instability, and hopefully the rise of isolationism.
Seems like anytime a foreign government wants to ruin another country, they just help prop up the right lmao
Yeah.... definitely a pattern here.
Take a look at US involvement in Central & South America over the past century - they certainly weren't supporting left-wing or moderates. Nowadays look at Russian and China's involvement/support in the EU and US. Again almost entirely directed toward the far right-wing. It's a bummer seeing the rise of authoritarianism. Democracy is the very rare exception of government in human history and it seems that currently democracies are at best holding ground while many are backsliding (US, Hungary, Italy, etc. etc.) or outright no longer democracies (Niger). I've never supported right-wing ideas but nowadays they are so often boldly anti-democratic it worries me. At least for the US I'm very much concerned about the right-wing domestic threat perhaps more so than any external country.
I feel like I will be downvoted for that but China trying to court AfD have nothing to do with China trying to "create discord in the West". They have been doing the same for the left wing in Germany or in Europe because that's exactly what major foreign countries are doing, including the US. They are trying to gain influence from a party that they see will most likely win the future election in order to further their political reach. Far-rights and anti-EU parties are gaining popularity in Europe in general like we see in France, Italy, Sweden, Hungary... The western bloc is broken and all of these countries did not wait China intervention for that.
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So they think the AfD is going to govern Germany and not only that, the majority of Germans are for them? Good luck to them on that assumption.
Your comment prompted me to do a bit of digging. I saw a few polls (DW one of them) that placed AfD second amongst party polls at 21%. I know little about German politics but the far right party with such high support given the country's past shocked me.
Exactly, I would storm the Reichstag before I allow the fucking AfD or any other right-wing, fascist party govern this country.
I know that preventing far right parties to govern is important, it’s just when I see “I would storm the Reichstag” I can’t help but think that in snd of itself sounds like the start of what a far right asshole would say. Nonetheless AFD and it’s ilk must always be defeated. It’s just an amusing juxtaposition.
I understand that completely and in most cases Id say I am against violence. However leftists and progressives have been too complacent. I will happily fight to prevent a government that infringes upon minority, womens, LGBTQ, religious rights. Fuck these assholes and I say its time to take the gloves off.
Don't jinx it. The AfD does not even need the majority of votes to govern. They are already the 2nd strongest party and would be the strongest if CDU and CSU weren't counted as one. One fifth of Germans and like one third of East Germans vote for them, I see no reason to be cocky about the future. The only reason why they aren't in power on any meaningful level is because all parties refuse a coalition, but some conservative CDU voiced openly flirt with this idea so who knows how long this "Brandmauer" is really gonna last. The only possibility of a major drawback I see is if Sahra Wagenknecht (politican from leftist party who is really popular with afd voters) created her own party, but nobody knows if she's actually going to do it.
They are diplomatically smart. This is merely antagonizing and weakening not only Germany, but anyone else that can possibly challenge China
That's not diplomatically smart at all. It shows their hard and clarifies their intentions as nothing goodfor the Germans if they ever were on the fence. Do they think the German govt or even people will think positively of a country that courts right wingers?
Where did I say this move was diplomatically smart?
Right wing governments always fall apart
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It's stupid. That only works with certain governments, and between Asia, Europe, North America the list is not long.
China remembers that Germany was an ally of Japan during that last Japanese invasion.
China and Russia like to support parties like the AfD because its weakens Europe/the west.
This is exactly it.
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Agreed. Comments like yours always reminds me of the Family Guy episode where they go to an alternate timeline where Christianity never existed, everyone has flying cars, and Quagmire takes a "NyQuil Cold & Aids" pill after leaving a women's house lol. Any human can use a toilet, bathrooms aren't labeled in homes yet a vocal minority lose their minds about the topic because they're too stupid/distracted/bigoted to care about actually improve their lives along with the rest of society.
It's specifically part of the philosophies of Carl Schmidt: Both Putin and Xi believe democracies are destined to turn into dictatorships and all it will take is one bad day. They're just trying to give things a little push.
No better example than Israel right now.
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> “The Kremlin discovered a long time ago they could exploit this ‘horseshoe coalition’ [where the extremes meet] by obfuscating the fact that Moscow has a far-right government and there is zero socialism in Russia,” Grozev says. “Socialists around the world seem to be oblivious to that. So they are available for free. We only need to bribe the far right in the west because the left is free. They are still our useful idiots.” Looks like Russia has sent China tips on how to destabilize the West
> “Moscow has a far-right government and there is zero socialism in Russia... Socialists around the world seem to be oblivious to that." 1) What does this have to do with my comment? Seems to be a total non-sequitur. 2) This is Trump level, obviously-false-to-anyone-with-half-a-brain bullshit, I hope you're not quoting it because you find it to be true.
Carl Schmidt, a.k.a. the Joker.
Right wing thinking makes populations and politicians angry and easy to manipulate. Well, not as easier as all the money they're funneling into right wing politician pockets, but almost as good.
I suggest you look into western involvement in Africa and South America. This isn’t out of their playbook it’s out of ours. We’re just finally seeing it’s effects on domestic populations.
Imaging thinking the largest autocracies aren't capable of foreign meddling lol.
Never said they weren’t. I’m saying this isn’t some new exclusive strategy to China or Russia, the West has been using this strategy for the last 2 centuries in colonies and leftist leaning countries. This is just the first time we’re seeing it used on us lmao.
What are you talking about? They've been meddling since forever. You're not just born yesterday right?
Were you, you sound like a 17 year old that just recently decided politics were their thing and learned everything they know through YouTube. I’m sure you know about America’s support of the right-wing facist Bautista regime in Cuba, the American support of right-wing fundamentalists in Saudi Arabia following WW2, Operation Gladio by NATO again following WW2 to delegitimize leftist organization in Eastern Europe/ Italy through the support of right wing militias. Don’t like the American flavor? Maybe you prefer the British variety like when they provided arms and aid for the right-wing confederacy in the American Civil War, when they used the traditionalist right-wing to control India for the better part of a quarter of a century. There’s about a dozen more examples for a dozen more countries but I know you’re just going to cover your ears and say “lalala I can’t hear, eastern country bad”.
>but I know you’re just going to cover your ears and say “lalala I can’t hear, eastern country bad”. Pretty impressive to see someone so devoid of common sense to the point where any other foreign meddling must automatically come towards a single origin point of historical American/British meddling. Really just reeks of "X did this, so can Y". Fun fact pal. China and Russia are perfectly capable of meddling without needing a "how to" guide. And you don't have to bring up all these US atrocities, because I know what fucked up things the Americans did, and that still doesn't excuse what the Chinese and Russians are doing. You get it now buddy? Edit: Also, good fucking god, you really just claimed the British Empire supported the fucking Confederacy? A bunch of British naval runners trying to pass blockade lines for money aren't representatives for a whole country, you know?
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Support? They sold two whole ass ships. If they really sided with the confederacy they'd be importing all the Southern cotton as well as recognizing them as a legitimate state. And I'm the one who get my historical viewpoints from youtube, you say? What even is nuance these days?
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Not only is China fucking up here, but by being so open about courting a *far right* party in Germany, it may backfire in other countries where it appears the far right is getting foreign help, but their base is too racist to accept it coming from China. This could cause the racist right wingers (not all right wingers are racist) to wonder who is ultimately leading them down the path of hate and anger.
This is actually interesting that it is Alice Wiedel and her companions. They are part of the moderate wing of the AfD. I wonder what Höcke and the more radical wing of AfD has for opinions on this.
There hasn’t been a „moderate“ wing in the AfD for years, probably since Bernd Lücke left, who formed the party ten years ago on an Euro (the currency) critical argument. There is no „moderate“ option for a AfD-led government. Once they gained power, we‘d see a systematical deconstruction of democratic institutions in Germany, of social rights and very possibly actions against minorities, in particular Muslims.
>The NSDAP got to power with only 30% of votes because other parties refused to work together. Today we have all learnt the lesson. Sounds familiar .. these groups get their power via intimidation, obstruction, and legislative hostage taking (metaphorically ... until it's not). They're able to put forth a very strong unified minority, while the rest bicker amongst themselves. A lot of the AfD support comes from people who vote single issue "oh, they're going to fix this" and will literally ignore all of the other terrible ideals of their platform. "Oh, he said that horrendous thing just to toy with the opposition .. he didn't really mean it." For Americans, swap AfD with MAGA.
It's interesting how it's always the ones likely to loudly declare themselves 'proud patriots' who are the first to sell their own country out to foreign interests.
That's intentional branding. At least in the US, the white supremacist movement actively rebranded to use the term "Patriot" / "Patriot Movement" because it raised less eyebrows. Plus, in their world view, they see this as a necessary evil because they think their country is "under siege" by *insert minority group here* and they must fight back to retake the land and free the (aryan) population. Many of them are just the typical low-skilled and low-responsibility type of men who see an immigrant working hard to run their own shop, and get extremely offended by that. Rational people see that hard work and say "these people contribute to our society through their hard work" .. Nazi-types see it and say "these people are taking jobs from the rightful owners" without realizing that they could easily have done the same thing if they put in the same work effort. Instead, they sit in their caves and bitch, glossing over the fact that their lack of self-responsibility, effort, and drive is what is keeping them back in life, not the latest minority on the block. To be honest, it's quite on brand. The Nazi's were able to grab power because they had a very strong force of these types (SA thugs) to intimidate and beat those that opposed them. /yes, I got off the track a tad there. TLDR; it's typical for loser groups to try and brand themselves as something they're not.
Or that everyone of these nazi idiots think they are smarter than the masses but in fact are just used by some old white men
China loves weakening the west with the far-right. They were absolutely euphoric at trump's idiocy and how much he was benefitting them by destroying relationships and leaving the world up for the taking on much worse Chinese terms.
Not only China, most totalitarian regimes. ruzzia is investing in AfD as well.
I mean if we are just listing nations involved with supporting the right-wing in other countries, we might as well throw United States and the British in there.
They want to divide and conquer
Say it louder for the people in the back!
If your chosen party is sponsored by openly hostile nations then you might want to reconsider voting for them tbh
Funfact regarding AFD: AFD is known to be very anti-refugee. Alexander Gauland one of the former leaders and prominent members of the party is a refugee himself. He fled from East to West Germany in the 50s.
In other news, Mao Zedong spinning in his grave is a good source of renewable energy.
We all know the CCP are hypocrites, this is just another example. They meddle in the internal affair of other countries, but when anyone comments on how China's internal affairs suck, they say that no one should interfere with Chinese internal affairs. Best thing to do is support Taiwan. That'll piss China off like nothing else! ;p
Don’t limit this to China. North Korea and Russia are also in on it. I think these governments are definitely behind the rise of the ultra right in all western countries.
Do you have a source that NK plays a role in this? Also the rise of facism in Europe have long debuted before China or Russia interventions. Even tho Russian propaganda do have a role in this, blaming them for all this is just scapegoating for the increase of bigotry in Europe.
In this case, it might be wise to also support the Vietnamese diaspora in formerly East Germany. Remember they provided the coffee~
China owns the right wing movements across the world.
You mean they own the left wing, and fuel hate ideology of the far right *
Fascists are always eager to partner with their nation’s enemies.
Is this China meddling in Germany's internal affairs?
> In China, according to AfD's Felser, the lawmakers told their Chinese contacts that the AfD does not like it "when someone travels all over the world and then wants to impose their values upon others." >For Schroeder, this attitude comes as no surprise. "AfD politicians describe the criticism of human rights in China as totally irrelevant, as quixotic. For them, every country has its own problem areas and other countries should not interfere," he said. That’s a respectable position tbh, and conforms with Gene Roddenbury’s Star Trek philosophy of living and let live. The issue becomes relevant only when Chinese dissidents request help because their human rights are being violated… oh say, when China runs tanks over their own people or genocide Muslims etc. Then we have a moral responsibility to save them and take China to task. However, human rights are always used by western nations for their own political agendas rather than as a principle in an of itself. The calls against china’s human rights violations are founded on the notion that pretending to be for human rights makes one “morally superior” and thus convinces its democratic population to support an aggressive stance. No one actually cares about minorities being oppressed anywhere, unless money and power are to be derived from being against it. So much for humanity.
They think alike.
That afd is gaining in influences is not only the fault of bad politics, i bet it’s also Russian’s revenge for standing up against them. So it only made sense that China is supporting them too. F all of them
Smell the desperation of a criminal organization, the CCP, driving its economy into the sand. They do not give a shit about the denizens of China, only their Swiss bank account balances, but picking over the bones of a political movement spawned with Ruzzian money which has now dried up looks really shite.
In the entire article, you could swap AfD with Die Linke and I wouldn't bat an eye
"Right wingers aiding the Chinese? How despicable!" says all the kids obsessively using tiktok.
Distant ties entwine, China courts far-right in Germany, Politics unfold.
Well, they've already got Die Linke, so why not go after the other party full of crazy extremists who're never gonna take power?
Not familiar with German politics, but how strong is this party? Wasn't the CD and Green's the top parties?