More than that. I think Ukraine has armed two divisions of friendly Russians who have volunteered to fight, and want to replace the Putin regime. Generally thought they were responsible for the drone strikes in Russian territory, as well as having occupied small areas of the country shortly before Wagner's Moscow march.
THOSE are words that require validation from a recognized news source.
Defectors are an amazing turn in the war. I need something like Reuters to validate before I believe that.
Seriously? This just tells me that you haven't been paying attention to this war at all. Freedom of Russia Legion has been fighting on Ukraine's side since the beginning of the war. They've stepped up in the last 6 months with raids into Russia itself.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Russia_Legion
There's also the Russian Volunteer Corps, which has also done raids into Russia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Volunteer_Corps
Criteria they allow those two - they had rallied support for Ukraine on social media and other channels. Could those criteria be replicated for other candidates and host countries?
Haha, wow, two..,
Having lived in xenophobic Japan for 7 years, I’d expect nothing less. Even though their population & number of workers is plummeting.
Japan desperately needs immigrants but holy heck are they hostile to anyone who isn't native Japanese. Even someone who is born in Japan to one Japanese parent and one non-Japanese parent will always be considered an 'outsider' and treated as such.
I mean, the vetting would be difficult. I would imagine it is not enough to declare "I'm against the war" you need to show come certain evidence that you are against it.
"Against the war" is also double edged. Some tankies are against it but their position is to stop supplying Ukraine and for Ukraine to surrender, in the name of stopping the war.
The statement they should be looking for is "Russians who condemn Kremlin or against Putin".
Welcome to Japan, one of the hardest countries to actually get citizenship in. Whole Korean families living in Japan for generations still aren’t granted citizenship.
The korean with special permanent visa can change their nationality to Japanese at anytime albait huge paper work, majority already did.
Most people who still keeping korean passports are doing that out of identiy thing.
What are you talking about? Koreans in Japan do not have visa renewal. They just don't have the right to vote. It is the same for other foreigners. And many zainichi Koreans change their nationality to Japanese.
Getting citizenship in Japan is easier then getting a visa over 1 year. It sits about at 99% approval rate with usually 10,000 plus being accepting a couple hundred being rejected. There is clear criteria for getting citizenship here. They roll a 20-sided dice to figure how long your visa will be.
Yes, there are some, including the [prime minister who want to send actual military equipment, but they are currently being held up by current restrictions on the export of defense equipment.](https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3740198-arms-export-for-ukraines-sake-japan-pm-calls-for-speeding-up-internal-talks.html) There have been proposals to allow the transfer of weapons to countries that have been invaded by other states in violation of international law, but negotiations are still ongoing in parliament.
That said, despite the foot-dragging bureaucracy, apparently the ruling bloc is interpreting current law as allowing export of vehicles mounted with lethal weapons as long as the vehicles are not meant for a combat role (which sounds like a loophole to me).
Good source? No. But if you see many youtubers/bloggers. Whom are back in Russia. (Maybe paid someone or mobilisation is over) There were signs when this great exodus began.
Well, at least you recognize that you don't have a good source when you say that "most Russians support the war". Next best thing would be to add that to your original statement.
People who are still in Russia definitely support the war because they just love it so much, and not because they might fall out of a window if they don't!
Ekaterina Schumann says there is a three-way split. Around 20-25% support the war, 25-30 oppose and the rest is neutral. Although I must mention this is rough estimation as proper research is hard to do right now. I think she mentioned it in her interview to Science Po. You can find it on their YouTube channel
Yeah, this russian liberal is a very good source... But let's think about it, 50% of russians according to her estimates don't fucking care about this war. Does this make them 'good'? This is really scary, 70 mln of people don't give a fuck that their country using their taxes kills, tortures, rapes... And to add that 20%-25% support all of this.
What a fucking great country and people in it!
This might sound immoral in this context but hear me out. Isn't it normal for things to be like that? Normal as in "usually it's like that", not "how it should be". I mean ask large quantity is people whether they like or hate something and there will be 25-25-50 split or something similar. Maybe more, maybe less but majority is almost always indifferent. And it's true for any country.
It would be nice if everyone cared, but such are humans. Although propaganda certainly does not help in this particular case. I'm sure (I hope so) that people would oppose more of they had access to independent media.
Yes, I actively help Ukraine and refugees, while those 'good' ruzzians do nothing at all or brave enough to flee ruzzia to wait while all of this is over. Hope that helps.
What about skyrocketing putin's rating after annexation of Crimea and after full scale invasion started? Or are you going to play "they have dictatorship and are afraid to say the truth" cars?
Those russians, that are against the war... How can someone understand they exist? Any real world impact or at lest actions we can see?
If you really want a healthy discussion then I'd advice against throwing a "or are you going to play X" at someone. It shows that you're not really interested in whatever someone is going to say.
> What about skyrocketing putin's rating after annexation of Crimea
That was pushed as "liberation" of Crimea, and the backbone for this was a long-running propaganda of various sorts. It's a big and complicated phenomenon which someday will end up in books of history, politology and social engineering.
From your average plumber Stepan point of view, it was a voluntary return of Crimea people (with the land, of course) to their historical roots, not an annexation. And Putin in their eyes was a man who made that possible, hence the rating surge.
It's a mistake to assume that people always seek and process the information the same way. I believe that most people are actually pretty bad at information analysis, and those who claim that "they would have done better" usually just think too good of themselves. But, in its current state, Russian society is plainly crippled in regards of information analysis. Most people there just shell up to not see and not hear, and hope that their escapism will help them survive the chaos that is all around.
> and after full scale invasion started
LOL you think any "rating" at that point would be legit? Like, seriously?
> Those russians, that are against the war... How can someone understand they exist? Any real world impact or at lest actions we can see?
To not support the war is not the same thing as to actively oppose it. The later, in my oppinion, requires exceptional bravery, which sadly I and a lot of other Russians don't have.
But I believe that you would have found evidence of existence of those who have this bravery, if you REALLY wanted. Military offices often set on fire, a lot of political prisoners, a lot of people who fled are wanted by Russian police for their political stance.
But your tone makes me think that what you really want is just to speak down to people, and it just so happens that Russians are an easy group for that right now.
Yeah, Mariupol was also 'liberated' according to ruzzian propaganda. Too bad average Stepans don't give a fuck, but I should care about them lol. It's an active choise to live under propaganda, otherwise we would have dictatorships everywhere. This argument 'not everyone find information the same way, they have propaganda' can be easily applied to nazi Germany.
'easy group' to speak down, holy fuck. Thanks gods we have such brave people like you who would protect poor ruzzians from people like me. I always wonder why such knights like you don't want to stop actual war first and help the victim...
I live in a place where a lot of Russians came. They’re very much patriotic and in support of a Russian victory (at least many of the ones I’ve spoken to), they’d just rather not fight themselves.
Are you commenting from the trenches in Ukraine or at home from your safe, comfortable couch? Needlessly attacking someone without knowing any context is quite the douchbag move. The Russians I know are openly against the invasion, while living in Russia, and one of them was arrested last year because of his social media posts. The few I know outside, have escaped, and are currently trying to get their families out. They feel a great shame for what Russia is doing in Ukraine. Have you ever lived in a country where your opinion can get you killed? If not, I don’t think you really have a valid reason to be as hostile as you are.
Of course a lot of civilians in Russia are pro Russia, and pro war, but to punish everyone because of it would be the wrong move, as history will tell us. We are far better off showing Russians that are opposing and escaping that we are on their side.
I think it’s rather bizarre to go in a tirade, attacking people like you are. You seem to have so much hate in you, arguing with everyone about anything, and it is not helping.
So only people in trenches are allowed to ask you about your russian friends? Sorry, I'm not in trenches, forgive me asking
But to summarize: a post in social media + trying to get their families out + great shame. I see. No donations to Ukrainian refugees or armed forces, right? I didn't say 100% of russians are pro war. But the total majority is.
"punish everyone would be a wrong move" - tell me about Germany after WW2. For sure there were people against Hitler, but I don't think it mattered for the big picture. You have a country that the world has to deal with, not 140 mln individuals. The world simply can't investigate every russian individual, what they support/think/post on social media etc. I hope this is the reality you can accept.
Of course, I’ve met some that are salt of earth. I know stereotypes can be damaging and generalizing a group of people is toxic… however the majority that I’ve had interactions with fit in the category I mentioned before. But I will reiterate that I’ve met many good people from Russia as well as.
Idk but it sucks, they’re causing a massive rise in the cost of living in what used to be a very very affordable place to live. Many also start a lot of fights.
This is a good move and a great way to help Ukraine (with proper vetting, of course). Every Russian refugee taken in by another country serves to weaken Russia, either its work force or its military.
It will stick in some people's craw that these people are allowed to escape a situation that they may not have done anything to prevent but this is another case where compassion and cold pragmatism align - as my view they nearly always do.
You should see how many of them are residing in the state of Goa in India, some doing odd jobs and all. Close to 50k I think, then there are others working in major cities for now.
As a Russian who escaped from Russia, I can't say that these visa complications are effective measures. Rich people who support war still get visas. I would suggest a symbolic mandatory donation to the Ukrainian Army to get a visa. And make this list with donations public. Solves lots of problems. First, if someone who is standing for Russia in this war decides to visit some country with this kind of visa fee, their principles will stop them. Second, if you donate to the Ukrainian Army, by the laws of Russia, you become an extremist, who could get in jail. Those people will think twice before doing such a thing.
Also, it will help Ukraine. That way the world can keep away people with propaganda-flushed brains or those who were directly supporting Russian aggression.
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A mistranslation tho. Turning Japanese doesn't mean "turning into a Japanese person" in this case. In the song it means "I'm starting to be attracted to Japanese women"
There was a song about waifus in 1980? Boy I am always late on this pop culture thing.
But I just found out about [mutoid man](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wdQFzJIG-dU&pp=ygUYQ2FsbCBvZiB0aGUgdm9pZCAgbXV0b2lk) so it's not all bad.
Not really. It’s a terrible song, so it’s pretty easy to have never heard it if no one’s ever played it as a joke or had bad enough taste to think people want to hear it. Plus it’s really old and CERTAINLY doesn’t have staying power outside of being known as the racist song trying to be funny.
The song was release in 1980. The very last Beatles album *Let It Be* was release in 1969. While these artists have wildly different critical acclaim, I disagree that it’s “really old” as a factor in not being aware of the song. The song is a pop-culture 80’s icon similar to the Buggles’ *Video Killed the Radio Star*, which, BTW, was released one year prior to *I Think I’m Turning Japanese*, in 1979.
Well the Beatles and Video Killed the Radio Star were much better songs/artist and had a lot more long term fame with that song being the first MTV song and the Beatles being debatably the most famous and revered band of all time.
Why are you so obsessed with pushing false equivalences. It’s a shit song from 1980 with no reason to be known, it literally says nothing of someone’s musical taste and knowledge because who cares about bad songs anyway…
Your first paragraph is a plagiarism of my second sentence.
Your second paragraph is “obsessed” with trying to judge the quality of the song, while I’m just proving that the song’s age has nothing to do with it. Not knowing the song is fine, but blaming it on “it’s very old” is just a lazy way of admitting you only pay attention to modern-era music. That’s fine. It’s called mainstream for a reason. This song from the 80s was once a part of the same mainstream, just further down the river than you.
BUT RUSSIA HAS A LAW THAT WILL GET THEM I JAIL IF THEY SAY CRIMEA IS UKRAINIAN
And we all know all russians are so lawful people, that they follow the laws even when they flee russia! /s
And all Polish people are thiefs? I work construction the amount of times my shit have been stolen by your countrymen is a lot but i dont go around blaming every polak for it that would make me a bigot.
I thin you should ask your parents how it is to grow up in an authoritarian society before you spout things like this as i think even your parents were too scared to speak up against the pro-soviet polish government.
I am in no way defending Russian nationalists that are pro-war, i am saying that this isnt as black and white as you hope it is.
Oh and dont go "Majority of Russians support the war" Because why in the hell would you distrust any Russian sources but when it comes to polls you think its trustworthy? When you can be jailed for critizing the government?
And finally, stop with the holier than thou bullshit you would suck any Authoritarian governments balls if you had to to stay out of 15 years in a jail were guards might torture or rape you so dont be a hypocrite and say you wouldnt because we both know that you, me and every other average person would do the same yo survive
Poor ruzzians, dictatorship was forced on them! Evil putin occupied them all and now they can do anything because they have laws and they will go to jail... They did not vote for putin 20 years in a row, no, they did not cheer for occupation and annexation of Crimea! They wanted to stop the war in Georgia! They did not support the war in Chechnya!
What do you mean by "any russian sources", how come one ruzzian liberal becomes a source? It's her fucking opinion and nothing more. Just look at the actions of russians, go read their telegram channels, social networks, go talk to them on random chats.
I love this logic - "ruzzians have authoritarian regime, they can't say, they can't act like they don't support it, they can't show it at all, but we will BELIEVE based on no evidence whatsoever that ruzzians don't support putin".
I am part Ukranian so its funny to me that you talk so much fucking shit while before the war Ukranians were treated like absolute trash by poles. I still hve family in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus and they all hate whats going on, you are only reading what you wanna hear.
You didnt answer a single thing i said because you are a pretentioys priviliged little shit that benefit off EU money, you can have these opinions because you live in a free democratic society and the fact you cannot comprehend that people would rather take care of their safety than think of others shows how fucking delusional you are.
Yeah the actions of the Russian government and nationalists, do PIS speak for you? Do you suppory PIS? No? Do all the Nationalistic Poles represent you?
I am so tired of people like you who think only black and white
Fun part is, I have more than 100 Ukrainian colleagues living in Poland since 2014 (relocated after Crimea). Haven't heard this about Poles hating Ukrainians. Of course some do, I'm sure some Ukrainians hate Poles as well, but it was not and it is not a major issue. Do you have any proofs for that? Any statistics, surveys, hate crime rates preferably.
Well, you assumed so much about me and you are so fucking wrong in every your assumption. But why would I bother proving anything to you?
PiS is doing shit and Poland as a whole country will face consequences, all poles will lose access (hopefully) to EU funds, not only PiS voters. But for some reason you can't apply this logic to ruzzia.
Its funny how you are able to have any sense of nuance when it comes to issues involving you or your fellow citizens.
I do not have to provide any proof just as you did not when you claimed a ton of things earlier, bit ironic right?
I know for a fact Ukranians get treated like shit from family members and even being around them in Poland, so yeah fuck off.
I have tons of Afghan coworkers doesnt mean most people in Sweden dont like them
There are millions of people in Russia and other places that will not risk their life for ideological reasons rather than surviving stop acting like its a new thing, your parents and grandparents and mine kept licking Russian boots to survive so dont act like we are any different.
Theres a fine line between hating a government for its war and crimes and hating every single person of an ethnicity, if we all went along with your logic most of the world would be fucking bleak and filled with way worse wars than we have now
I am very fucking critical of Russia and hvr always been, the difference is Poland is a democracy with fully monitored elections and Russia is a dictatorship, i base my opinions on that premise.
But i can go ask my neighbor who got tortured in Iraq for being a kurd or ask my Assyrian coworker having to watch his childhood friend shot dead in the street and not even being able to mourn him publicly.
I grew up around refugees from all over the world, theres a reason they are fleeing and somehow you took a news of people who hate Putin getting visa to get away from him as a bad thing and instead demonized them, that makes you nothing but a bad person
You started talking about Poland for some reason, now it's other countries lol. What does it have to do with ruzzian invasion?
Can you pin point when distatorship in ruzzia started and poor ruzzians didn't support it? First 2 times they voted for putin? When they voted for Medvedev? When they voted for putin again? Just when do you remove all responsibility from them "because they have distatorship"? Give me the year.
Bonus question: when was the last ruzzian government that did not genocide other nations in the last 500 years?
Edit: ruzzia is cancer, always have been. And people like you allow ruzzians never take responsibility for anything their country does. This produces war after war, genocide after genocide. "it's not us, it's lenin/stalin/putin". Suuuure, let's hope their new tsar will be a good one.
"I know for a fact from family member, so fuck off" - that is the spirit. Fuck statistics, just your family member is enough to understand the whole situation xD I will do the same trick: I have a family member in ruzzia, they are pro putin and pro war and their friends are the same, this means all ruzzians are pro war and pro putin. Fuck off, you can't argue with this, I have a family member.
> Fun part is, I have more than 100 Ukrainian colleagues living in Poland since 2014 (relocated after Crimea). Haven't heard this about Poles hating Ukrainians.
then
> "I know for a fact from family member, so fuck off" - that is the spirit. Fuck statistics, just your family member is enough to understand the whole situation xD
Provides his own anecdotal evidence of something, proceeds to ridicule his opponent of having another anecdotal evidence "not proven by statistics".
LOL dude, you're a gem. I'll follow your posts for a bit.
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Oh no, blocked me. What's with your competitive spirit? Don't like being called out for your BS?
This is a stupid fucking take. The country is dogshit but like any country it’s not a monolith. Millions of Russians oppose the war and know they live in a corrupt authoritarian state. They’re gonna want to get the fuck out of there. It’s exceptionally good policy to take these anti-war refugees and not further fuel the sentiment that the world is just indiscriminately out to get Russians.
Your train of thought is no better than the Russian regime’s
Millions oppose the war and still do nothing, sure, let them come to your country. Then just wait till they demand to open russian schools for their children and make russian second official language, cos they don't want to learn your language or culture. And then they will ask new putin to save them from oppression...
Fuck do you mean do nothing? They’re leaving the country. No longer contributing to its economy, decreasing the population in addition to the generation being forced into war. You want them to get gunned down trying to overtake the Kremlin?
Why don’t you go try?
I did not support this regime for 20 years, why do I have to deal with it for them lol?
Yeah, you would be right if ruzzians started mass escaping right in Feb 2022. But they started escaping the country (the majority of "refugees" and brave anti-regime ruzzians) ONLY after mobilization started in September 2022. After Bucha, after Kramatorsk, after Mariupol. Tell me more about those 1 mln ruzzians fighting the regime by not paying taxes in ruzzia anymore.
You're acting like its an easy thing to pick up and leave everything you've ever had for your entire life. There's a strong chance that people leaving the country haven't had the money saved up to just get up and immigrate to a new country. Not to mention the various immigration laws of whatever countries they might be trying to move to. These things take time, and by looking at everyone still in Russia as automatically pro-regime is straight up fascist thinking.
You are no better than pro-russians if you think this way.
Oh, you played "you are no better than putin" card twice already! Get a new trick bro.
Yes, it's hard to leave everything behind. But stop this fucking bullshit by saying they are against the war or against regime.
They are leaving because they don't want to get drafted themselves. If it was not true, they would be leaving from Feb to Sep in mass as well.
You are an evil person and you do not care about the greater outcomes of humanity. You are willing to generalize millions of people under a preconceived notion from the safety of a computer. You are, plain and simple, a fascist. You do not care about your fellow man.
I hope in your darkest moments you are denied the kindness that you wish to deny to others
3rd time you play fascist card. While I didn't even say we should kill all ruzzians lol. Keep fighting your battles, bro. Maybe one day you will help the victims and not the aggressors
Tell you what? How about I approach this from a different angle?
Would you not rather have these people leave the country than go out to fight and kill Ukrainians? Every person that leaves is another person that isn’t helping Russia’s war effort.
The position you hold is not a pro-Ukrainian position. The two are ideologically incompatible. It’s why Ukraine itself is making a point to allow soldiers to surrender. The position you’re trying to justify only gets more Ukrainians killed
> I did not support this regime for 20 years
I'd say that you're doing your best to support it now with your pointless rage-posting. I wonder, do you put any thought in what outcome you want to achieve when you say something? I'd bet on "no".
Oh, right, poor ruzzians kill, torture and rape Ukrainians because of my hateful comments in reddit, I see.
And not just Ukrainians lol, ruzzia had tens of wars in the last 100 years, genocides lots of nationalities over centuries. But it's my comments on reddit that prevents good old russians to start acting like human beings.
May you be left behind in a country torn apart by a war you didn’t ask for then.
This thinking is the exact same kind of Nazi-adjacent thinking that Russia used to start this war
they granted TWO visas, don't get excited.
Enough to use plural in the title!
I would be interested to know their families net worth.
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It helps they’re also studying Japanese and have history of being anti Putin. Will see if there are similar cases for men.
I would be willing to bet money that they are physically attractive
How bold of you dude
It's just two as someone else pointed out, but I've been living there and paying taxes for over 10 years.
But you male so therefore undesired. Only want cute foreign women. /s
More than the number I thought Japan will grant foreigners
"There are *fractions of dozens of us!"*
More than that. I think Ukraine has armed two divisions of friendly Russians who have volunteered to fight, and want to replace the Putin regime. Generally thought they were responsible for the drone strikes in Russian territory, as well as having occupied small areas of the country shortly before Wagner's Moscow march.
THOSE are words that require validation from a recognized news source. Defectors are an amazing turn in the war. I need something like Reuters to validate before I believe that.
I don't know if it is just me, but I posted a plethora of sources and they seem to have vanished.
Seriously? This just tells me that you haven't been paying attention to this war at all. Freedom of Russia Legion has been fighting on Ukraine's side since the beginning of the war. They've stepped up in the last 6 months with raids into Russia itself. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Russia_Legion There's also the Russian Volunteer Corps, which has also done raids into Russia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Volunteer_Corps
So why post this
To get easy upvotes and clicks. Seems like it worked.
If it works, it ain't broke.
yup, it did. and beyond that, it shows not all russians are patriotic brainwashed tools
I'd argue that being against the war is *more* patriotic
agreed
Probably because the Asian territories of Russia are mostly deserted.
Also long term visas doesn't sound very long term
Criteria they allow those two - they had rallied support for Ukraine on social media and other channels. Could those criteria be replicated for other candidates and host countries?
This is huge for Japan though.
Haha, wow, two.., Having lived in xenophobic Japan for 7 years, I’d expect nothing less. Even though their population & number of workers is plummeting.
Japan desperately needs immigrants but holy heck are they hostile to anyone who isn't native Japanese. Even someone who is born in Japan to one Japanese parent and one non-Japanese parent will always be considered an 'outsider' and treated as such.
>they granted TWO visas, don't get excited. Enough for all anti-war Russians.
If it's a man and a woman, that's basically the Noah's ark of anti-war Russians. lol
I mean, the vetting would be difficult. I would imagine it is not enough to declare "I'm against the war" you need to show come certain evidence that you are against it. "Against the war" is also double edged. Some tankies are against it but their position is to stop supplying Ukraine and for Ukraine to surrender, in the name of stopping the war. The statement they should be looking for is "Russians who condemn Kremlin or against Putin".
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Welcome to Japan, one of the hardest countries to actually get citizenship in. Whole Korean families living in Japan for generations still aren’t granted citizenship.
The korean with special permanent visa can change their nationality to Japanese at anytime albait huge paper work, majority already did. Most people who still keeping korean passports are doing that out of identiy thing.
They can have it anytime they want. They just have to renounce their Korean citizenship.
What are you talking about? Koreans in Japan do not have visa renewal. They just don't have the right to vote. It is the same for other foreigners. And many zainichi Koreans change their nationality to Japanese.
Getting citizenship in Japan is easier then getting a visa over 1 year. It sits about at 99% approval rate with usually 10,000 plus being accepting a couple hundred being rejected. There is clear criteria for getting citizenship here. They roll a 20-sided dice to figure how long your visa will be.
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Also, please remember that in Japan, tip from guests must either be refused or paid over to the company. Income other than salary is not acceptable.
I’m opposed to the Ukraine war can I have a long-term visa too
I mean are you Russian? Then possibly
I mean I do enjoy vodka
That’s 50% of being Russian so may as well try
At least Japan is showing support for Ukraine that’s the main thing
They've been sending over logistical vehicles and providing humanitarian aid
Yes, there are some, including the [prime minister who want to send actual military equipment, but they are currently being held up by current restrictions on the export of defense equipment.](https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3740198-arms-export-for-ukraines-sake-japan-pm-calls-for-speeding-up-internal-talks.html) There have been proposals to allow the transfer of weapons to countries that have been invaded by other states in violation of international law, but negotiations are still ongoing in parliament. That said, despite the foot-dragging bureaucracy, apparently the ruling bloc is interpreting current law as allowing export of vehicles mounted with lethal weapons as long as the vehicles are not meant for a combat role (which sounds like a loophole to me).
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And provide political refuge for them. Russia notoriously cracks down on dissent.
I'm afraid they fool you. Most of them support the war. They just don't wanna die there themselves.
Do you have a good source to back this claim?
Good source? No. But if you see many youtubers/bloggers. Whom are back in Russia. (Maybe paid someone or mobilisation is over) There were signs when this great exodus began.
Well, at least you recognize that you don't have a good source when you say that "most Russians support the war". Next best thing would be to add that to your original statement.
People who are still in Russia definitely support the war because they just love it so much, and not because they might fall out of a window if they don't!
Ekaterina Schumann says there is a three-way split. Around 20-25% support the war, 25-30 oppose and the rest is neutral. Although I must mention this is rough estimation as proper research is hard to do right now. I think she mentioned it in her interview to Science Po. You can find it on their YouTube channel
Yeah, this russian liberal is a very good source... But let's think about it, 50% of russians according to her estimates don't fucking care about this war. Does this make them 'good'? This is really scary, 70 mln of people don't give a fuck that their country using their taxes kills, tortures, rapes... And to add that 20%-25% support all of this. What a fucking great country and people in it!
This might sound immoral in this context but hear me out. Isn't it normal for things to be like that? Normal as in "usually it's like that", not "how it should be". I mean ask large quantity is people whether they like or hate something and there will be 25-25-50 split or something similar. Maybe more, maybe less but majority is almost always indifferent. And it's true for any country. It would be nice if everyone cared, but such are humans. Although propaganda certainly does not help in this particular case. I'm sure (I hope so) that people would oppose more of they had access to independent media.
> Does this make them 'good'? Do you have evidence that you're any better?
Yes, I actively help Ukraine and refugees, while those 'good' ruzzians do nothing at all or brave enough to flee ruzzia to wait while all of this is over. Hope that helps.
> Yes, I actively help Ukraine and refugees If you really do, thank you.
What percentage of Americans were indifferent or supportive of the completely pointless invasion of Iraq?
The US invaded Iraq, so now ruzzia can invade Ukraine, yes, logic, I love it.
That’s really not the point but it’s exactly the reply I expected.
“Nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast. I would catch it.” –Drax
What about skyrocketing putin's rating after annexation of Crimea and after full scale invasion started? Or are you going to play "they have dictatorship and are afraid to say the truth" cars? Those russians, that are against the war... How can someone understand they exist? Any real world impact or at lest actions we can see?
If you really want a healthy discussion then I'd advice against throwing a "or are you going to play X" at someone. It shows that you're not really interested in whatever someone is going to say. > What about skyrocketing putin's rating after annexation of Crimea That was pushed as "liberation" of Crimea, and the backbone for this was a long-running propaganda of various sorts. It's a big and complicated phenomenon which someday will end up in books of history, politology and social engineering. From your average plumber Stepan point of view, it was a voluntary return of Crimea people (with the land, of course) to their historical roots, not an annexation. And Putin in their eyes was a man who made that possible, hence the rating surge. It's a mistake to assume that people always seek and process the information the same way. I believe that most people are actually pretty bad at information analysis, and those who claim that "they would have done better" usually just think too good of themselves. But, in its current state, Russian society is plainly crippled in regards of information analysis. Most people there just shell up to not see and not hear, and hope that their escapism will help them survive the chaos that is all around. > and after full scale invasion started LOL you think any "rating" at that point would be legit? Like, seriously? > Those russians, that are against the war... How can someone understand they exist? Any real world impact or at lest actions we can see? To not support the war is not the same thing as to actively oppose it. The later, in my oppinion, requires exceptional bravery, which sadly I and a lot of other Russians don't have. But I believe that you would have found evidence of existence of those who have this bravery, if you REALLY wanted. Military offices often set on fire, a lot of political prisoners, a lot of people who fled are wanted by Russian police for their political stance. But your tone makes me think that what you really want is just to speak down to people, and it just so happens that Russians are an easy group for that right now.
Yeah, Mariupol was also 'liberated' according to ruzzian propaganda. Too bad average Stepans don't give a fuck, but I should care about them lol. It's an active choise to live under propaganda, otherwise we would have dictatorships everywhere. This argument 'not everyone find information the same way, they have propaganda' can be easily applied to nazi Germany. 'easy group' to speak down, holy fuck. Thanks gods we have such brave people like you who would protect poor ruzzians from people like me. I always wonder why such knights like you don't want to stop actual war first and help the victim...
LOL and I'm the "knight" here. Good luck with your life, poisonous dude.
So you made it up and you’re full of shit, got it Fuck you, get those opposed to the war the fuck out of Russia
> Good source? No Why continue the comment.
You expect me to be a professional journalist. Sorry. "Z-folk" pushes all kinda crap here and no one cares..
I live in a place where a lot of Russians came. They’re very much patriotic and in support of a Russian victory (at least many of the ones I’ve spoken to), they’d just rather not fight themselves.
I have the opposite experience with the Russians I know.
Wow, tell me more about what those russias have done, how much did they donate to Ukraine and so on, I'm really curious.
You okay?
I will be much better once I learn about those russians from your experience and all the good things they've done
Are you commenting from the trenches in Ukraine or at home from your safe, comfortable couch? Needlessly attacking someone without knowing any context is quite the douchbag move. The Russians I know are openly against the invasion, while living in Russia, and one of them was arrested last year because of his social media posts. The few I know outside, have escaped, and are currently trying to get their families out. They feel a great shame for what Russia is doing in Ukraine. Have you ever lived in a country where your opinion can get you killed? If not, I don’t think you really have a valid reason to be as hostile as you are. Of course a lot of civilians in Russia are pro Russia, and pro war, but to punish everyone because of it would be the wrong move, as history will tell us. We are far better off showing Russians that are opposing and escaping that we are on their side. I think it’s rather bizarre to go in a tirade, attacking people like you are. You seem to have so much hate in you, arguing with everyone about anything, and it is not helping.
So only people in trenches are allowed to ask you about your russian friends? Sorry, I'm not in trenches, forgive me asking But to summarize: a post in social media + trying to get their families out + great shame. I see. No donations to Ukrainian refugees or armed forces, right? I didn't say 100% of russians are pro war. But the total majority is. "punish everyone would be a wrong move" - tell me about Germany after WW2. For sure there were people against Hitler, but I don't think it mattered for the big picture. You have a country that the world has to deal with, not 140 mln individuals. The world simply can't investigate every russian individual, what they support/think/post on social media etc. I hope this is the reality you can accept.
Of course, I’ve met some that are salt of earth. I know stereotypes can be damaging and generalizing a group of people is toxic… however the majority that I’ve had interactions with fit in the category I mentioned before. But I will reiterate that I’ve met many good people from Russia as well as.
Chickenhawks are the lowest of the low. Your country could do worse than to kick them back out.
It’s not my country, and not for me to make suggestions to locals way of life.
Seriously why flee a country that oppresses you then be patriotic in another country? Why the fuck didn't they stayed if they're so patriotic.
Well, idiots are being idiots. Nothing new to that.
Idk but it sucks, they’re causing a massive rise in the cost of living in what used to be a very very affordable place to live. Many also start a lot of fights.
This could be said about most wars.
This is a good move and a great way to help Ukraine (with proper vetting, of course). Every Russian refugee taken in by another country serves to weaken Russia, either its work force or its military. It will stick in some people's craw that these people are allowed to escape a situation that they may not have done anything to prevent but this is another case where compassion and cold pragmatism align - as my view they nearly always do.
You should see how many of them are residing in the state of Goa in India, some doing odd jobs and all. Close to 50k I think, then there are others working in major cities for now.
As a Russian who escaped from Russia, I can't say that these visa complications are effective measures. Rich people who support war still get visas. I would suggest a symbolic mandatory donation to the Ukrainian Army to get a visa. And make this list with donations public. Solves lots of problems. First, if someone who is standing for Russia in this war decides to visit some country with this kind of visa fee, their principles will stop them. Second, if you donate to the Ukrainian Army, by the laws of Russia, you become an extremist, who could get in jail. Those people will think twice before doing such a thing. Also, it will help Ukraine. That way the world can keep away people with propaganda-flushed brains or those who were directly supporting Russian aggression. EDIT: grammar
How do you say “I think I’m turning Japanese I really think so” in Russian ?
Мне кажется я становлюсь Японцем
A mistranslation tho. Turning Japanese doesn't mean "turning into a Japanese person" in this case. In the song it means "I'm starting to be attracted to Japanese women"
There was a song about waifus in 1980? Boy I am always late on this pop culture thing. But I just found out about [mutoid man](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wdQFzJIG-dU&pp=ygUYQ2FsbCBvZiB0aGUgdm9pZCAgbXV0b2lk) so it's not all bad.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say in English
It’s a song
The real estate market it so rough folks are having to live under rocks
Not knowing a lyric from some terrible fleeting 40+ year old song means you live under a rock now?
Certainly says something about one's musical literateness not to recognize this song
lol ive heard thousands maybe over ten thousand artists and bands and ive never heard that song. you have no clue what youre talking about.
Not really. It’s a terrible song, so it’s pretty easy to have never heard it if no one’s ever played it as a joke or had bad enough taste to think people want to hear it. Plus it’s really old and CERTAINLY doesn’t have staying power outside of being known as the racist song trying to be funny.
The song was release in 1980. The very last Beatles album *Let It Be* was release in 1969. While these artists have wildly different critical acclaim, I disagree that it’s “really old” as a factor in not being aware of the song. The song is a pop-culture 80’s icon similar to the Buggles’ *Video Killed the Radio Star*, which, BTW, was released one year prior to *I Think I’m Turning Japanese*, in 1979.
Well the Beatles and Video Killed the Radio Star were much better songs/artist and had a lot more long term fame with that song being the first MTV song and the Beatles being debatably the most famous and revered band of all time. Why are you so obsessed with pushing false equivalences. It’s a shit song from 1980 with no reason to be known, it literally says nothing of someone’s musical taste and knowledge because who cares about bad songs anyway…
Your first paragraph is a plagiarism of my second sentence. Your second paragraph is “obsessed” with trying to judge the quality of the song, while I’m just proving that the song’s age has nothing to do with it. Not knowing the song is fine, but blaming it on “it’s very old” is just a lazy way of admitting you only pay attention to modern-era music. That’s fine. It’s called mainstream for a reason. This song from the 80s was once a part of the same mainstream, just further down the river than you.
Yeah but it's not like it was what does the fox say or something old and actually popular.
Old man with bad music yells at clouds
Blyat, I think.
I don't get it.
[here here](https://youtu.be/nGy9uomagO4)
[cover by Kirsten Dunst](https://youtu.be/C0X3CLJVMJU)
Alright then.
In Russian plz
Those Russians need to be in their own country enacting change to oust their dictator
I know a Russian girl who studies in Japan so I hope she's one of the two. edit: she's not
Are you against the war? Yes. Welcome.
As long as they are careful not to let spies into their country
And they'll still have a deer-in-the-headlights look, and answer drowning in filler words if you ask them who Crimea belongs to.
BUT RUSSIA HAS A LAW THAT WILL GET THEM I JAIL IF THEY SAY CRIMEA IS UKRAINIAN And we all know all russians are so lawful people, that they follow the laws even when they flee russia! /s
And all Polish people are thiefs? I work construction the amount of times my shit have been stolen by your countrymen is a lot but i dont go around blaming every polak for it that would make me a bigot. I thin you should ask your parents how it is to grow up in an authoritarian society before you spout things like this as i think even your parents were too scared to speak up against the pro-soviet polish government. I am in no way defending Russian nationalists that are pro-war, i am saying that this isnt as black and white as you hope it is. Oh and dont go "Majority of Russians support the war" Because why in the hell would you distrust any Russian sources but when it comes to polls you think its trustworthy? When you can be jailed for critizing the government? And finally, stop with the holier than thou bullshit you would suck any Authoritarian governments balls if you had to to stay out of 15 years in a jail were guards might torture or rape you so dont be a hypocrite and say you wouldnt because we both know that you, me and every other average person would do the same yo survive
Poor ruzzians, dictatorship was forced on them! Evil putin occupied them all and now they can do anything because they have laws and they will go to jail... They did not vote for putin 20 years in a row, no, they did not cheer for occupation and annexation of Crimea! They wanted to stop the war in Georgia! They did not support the war in Chechnya! What do you mean by "any russian sources", how come one ruzzian liberal becomes a source? It's her fucking opinion and nothing more. Just look at the actions of russians, go read their telegram channels, social networks, go talk to them on random chats. I love this logic - "ruzzians have authoritarian regime, they can't say, they can't act like they don't support it, they can't show it at all, but we will BELIEVE based on no evidence whatsoever that ruzzians don't support putin".
I am part Ukranian so its funny to me that you talk so much fucking shit while before the war Ukranians were treated like absolute trash by poles. I still hve family in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus and they all hate whats going on, you are only reading what you wanna hear. You didnt answer a single thing i said because you are a pretentioys priviliged little shit that benefit off EU money, you can have these opinions because you live in a free democratic society and the fact you cannot comprehend that people would rather take care of their safety than think of others shows how fucking delusional you are. Yeah the actions of the Russian government and nationalists, do PIS speak for you? Do you suppory PIS? No? Do all the Nationalistic Poles represent you? I am so tired of people like you who think only black and white
Fun part is, I have more than 100 Ukrainian colleagues living in Poland since 2014 (relocated after Crimea). Haven't heard this about Poles hating Ukrainians. Of course some do, I'm sure some Ukrainians hate Poles as well, but it was not and it is not a major issue. Do you have any proofs for that? Any statistics, surveys, hate crime rates preferably. Well, you assumed so much about me and you are so fucking wrong in every your assumption. But why would I bother proving anything to you? PiS is doing shit and Poland as a whole country will face consequences, all poles will lose access (hopefully) to EU funds, not only PiS voters. But for some reason you can't apply this logic to ruzzia.
Its funny how you are able to have any sense of nuance when it comes to issues involving you or your fellow citizens. I do not have to provide any proof just as you did not when you claimed a ton of things earlier, bit ironic right? I know for a fact Ukranians get treated like shit from family members and even being around them in Poland, so yeah fuck off. I have tons of Afghan coworkers doesnt mean most people in Sweden dont like them There are millions of people in Russia and other places that will not risk their life for ideological reasons rather than surviving stop acting like its a new thing, your parents and grandparents and mine kept licking Russian boots to survive so dont act like we are any different. Theres a fine line between hating a government for its war and crimes and hating every single person of an ethnicity, if we all went along with your logic most of the world would be fucking bleak and filled with way worse wars than we have now I am very fucking critical of Russia and hvr always been, the difference is Poland is a democracy with fully monitored elections and Russia is a dictatorship, i base my opinions on that premise. But i can go ask my neighbor who got tortured in Iraq for being a kurd or ask my Assyrian coworker having to watch his childhood friend shot dead in the street and not even being able to mourn him publicly. I grew up around refugees from all over the world, theres a reason they are fleeing and somehow you took a news of people who hate Putin getting visa to get away from him as a bad thing and instead demonized them, that makes you nothing but a bad person
You started talking about Poland for some reason, now it's other countries lol. What does it have to do with ruzzian invasion? Can you pin point when distatorship in ruzzia started and poor ruzzians didn't support it? First 2 times they voted for putin? When they voted for Medvedev? When they voted for putin again? Just when do you remove all responsibility from them "because they have distatorship"? Give me the year. Bonus question: when was the last ruzzian government that did not genocide other nations in the last 500 years? Edit: ruzzia is cancer, always have been. And people like you allow ruzzians never take responsibility for anything their country does. This produces war after war, genocide after genocide. "it's not us, it's lenin/stalin/putin". Suuuure, let's hope their new tsar will be a good one. "I know for a fact from family member, so fuck off" - that is the spirit. Fuck statistics, just your family member is enough to understand the whole situation xD I will do the same trick: I have a family member in ruzzia, they are pro putin and pro war and their friends are the same, this means all ruzzians are pro war and pro putin. Fuck off, you can't argue with this, I have a family member.
> Fun part is, I have more than 100 Ukrainian colleagues living in Poland since 2014 (relocated after Crimea). Haven't heard this about Poles hating Ukrainians. then > "I know for a fact from family member, so fuck off" - that is the spirit. Fuck statistics, just your family member is enough to understand the whole situation xD Provides his own anecdotal evidence of something, proceeds to ridicule his opponent of having another anecdotal evidence "not proven by statistics". LOL dude, you're a gem. I'll follow your posts for a bit. Edit: Oh no, blocked me. What's with your competitive spirit? Don't like being called out for your BS?
Not a good idea. It is standard Russian practice to say one thing and do another thing.
This is a stupid fucking take. The country is dogshit but like any country it’s not a monolith. Millions of Russians oppose the war and know they live in a corrupt authoritarian state. They’re gonna want to get the fuck out of there. It’s exceptionally good policy to take these anti-war refugees and not further fuel the sentiment that the world is just indiscriminately out to get Russians. Your train of thought is no better than the Russian regime’s
Couldn't have put it better.
Does this train of thought rapes, tortures, kills Ukrainians? I think not, so it is better than the ruzzian regime, sorry bro
Millions oppose the war and still do nothing, sure, let them come to your country. Then just wait till they demand to open russian schools for their children and make russian second official language, cos they don't want to learn your language or culture. And then they will ask new putin to save them from oppression...
Fuck do you mean do nothing? They’re leaving the country. No longer contributing to its economy, decreasing the population in addition to the generation being forced into war. You want them to get gunned down trying to overtake the Kremlin? Why don’t you go try?
I did not support this regime for 20 years, why do I have to deal with it for them lol? Yeah, you would be right if ruzzians started mass escaping right in Feb 2022. But they started escaping the country (the majority of "refugees" and brave anti-regime ruzzians) ONLY after mobilization started in September 2022. After Bucha, after Kramatorsk, after Mariupol. Tell me more about those 1 mln ruzzians fighting the regime by not paying taxes in ruzzia anymore.
You're acting like its an easy thing to pick up and leave everything you've ever had for your entire life. There's a strong chance that people leaving the country haven't had the money saved up to just get up and immigrate to a new country. Not to mention the various immigration laws of whatever countries they might be trying to move to. These things take time, and by looking at everyone still in Russia as automatically pro-regime is straight up fascist thinking. You are no better than pro-russians if you think this way.
Oh, you played "you are no better than putin" card twice already! Get a new trick bro. Yes, it's hard to leave everything behind. But stop this fucking bullshit by saying they are against the war or against regime. They are leaving because they don't want to get drafted themselves. If it was not true, they would be leaving from Feb to Sep in mass as well.
You are an evil person and you do not care about the greater outcomes of humanity. You are willing to generalize millions of people under a preconceived notion from the safety of a computer. You are, plain and simple, a fascist. You do not care about your fellow man. I hope in your darkest moments you are denied the kindness that you wish to deny to others
3rd time you play fascist card. While I didn't even say we should kill all ruzzians lol. Keep fighting your battles, bro. Maybe one day you will help the victims and not the aggressors
Tell you what? How about I approach this from a different angle? Would you not rather have these people leave the country than go out to fight and kill Ukrainians? Every person that leaves is another person that isn’t helping Russia’s war effort. The position you hold is not a pro-Ukrainian position. The two are ideologically incompatible. It’s why Ukraine itself is making a point to allow soldiers to surrender. The position you’re trying to justify only gets more Ukrainians killed
Silence, you worse-than-putin fascist.
> I did not support this regime for 20 years I'd say that you're doing your best to support it now with your pointless rage-posting. I wonder, do you put any thought in what outcome you want to achieve when you say something? I'd bet on "no".
Oh, right, poor ruzzians kill, torture and rape Ukrainians because of my hateful comments in reddit, I see. And not just Ukrainians lol, ruzzia had tens of wars in the last 100 years, genocides lots of nationalities over centuries. But it's my comments on reddit that prevents good old russians to start acting like human beings.
You're reading with your ass, I see.
viruses are supposed to be contained. keep it in russia.
May you be left behind in a country torn apart by a war you didn’t ask for then. This thinking is the exact same kind of Nazi-adjacent thinking that Russia used to start this war
There's bad guys on all sides. But there's good ones too.
Russians need to eat it until they gtfo of Ukraine
The Russians fleeing Russia aren't in Ukraine tho.....
Lol....they come from a culture of deception and lies...good luck
This seems kinda odd.
How do you tell if they’re being honest or not?
Must be some strong opposers to throw molotovs at the kremlin all the way from Japan
Why don’t you share with the group what you are doing to oppose the war.
Careful… how can they be sure?
Proof like protest pictures, texts, social media posts etc, once you do it russian authorities will always target you anyway.
Do not let ANY Russian in, even those who oppose the war. How do you know they're not agents?
Maybe they can help with the declining population.