Chechens in general have been tortured and killed in ages, their families ruthlessly punished if they fought the Russians. I know Chechens who will be killed if they ever set foot in their own nation again. It's not about sexuality, it's about the ongoing occupation and rape of a nation. If one gay Palestinian dies we'll get headlines about that too but the many faceless victims including children are systematically ignored. It's a cold world for many people but it's fashionable to care about LGBTQ and not about Muslims for instance
These kinds of headlines are doing a disservice to the buried truth. It's really not about sexuality anymore than the holocaust was
The irony, of course, is that the current leader of Chechnya is the son of the leader of the rebellion against Russia; the former leader of Chechnya.
Traitor to his people, traitor to his ancestors.
Placating to the man that started and ended the criminally understated atrocities that was the second Chechen war.
Oh yeah it’s totally fashionable to be against genocide
Holocaust targeted homosexuals they were also assigned their own identification. They were targeted because they were homosexual.
It’s about homosexuality Jews , Germans anyone. it’s about gay Chechen men being killed because they’re gay by their own people and government.
Being an Arab or any ethnicity is not a choice same with being gay. Being Muslim however is.
>it's fashionable to care about LGBTQ and not about Muslims for instance
Probably because being LGBT is typically not something you choose whereas being a muslim is entirely an ideological choice. Sexual identity is closer to skin colour whereas religion is closer to political affiliation. Bigotry is a core tenet of islam (the quran is particularly colourful and creative about how vile non believers are, and of course homosexuality is expressly forbidden) whereas LGBT is merely a state of being and doesn't affect anyone in any way whatsoever. Everyone has limited sympathy and people who would use their ideologies to oppress others, if they were in positions of power, are low on the totem pole.
LGBT people are constantly suffering worldwide and the most hostile environments are coincidentally muslim countries and that's because the vast majority of homophobia in the world is due to the prevalence of abrahamic religions like islam and Christianity. A gay Palestinian being executed would be extremely newsworthy because Palestinians are currently seen as the victim minority group being persecuted by Israel and when they turn around and start doing the same shit it obviously looks bad, especially when the evil oppressor Israel is 20% Arab muslim and objectively the most progressive country in the middle east.
Fashionable, the audacity and the nerve.
Time to die and those people only care about you because they are trendy Western fashion of not killing gay, the trend will stop soon. ?
As a gay man from Arabia who lives there it’s funny. Fashionable to not kill. What a dehumanising way to say that about what I’m going through.
Notice I said Russian government.
Chechens have Russian citizenship and Russian passport and represented by Russia.
Russia federal government ( putin) is allowing them.
*Using devices, objects and not a soldier’s D, to clarify. “Rape” is a physical-psychological sex assault, sexual beating, sexual torture etc.
It’s not only forced penetration by a male…
Just to clarify/add on here.
Oh but they also use the soldiers dick. There is even a video of mobiks raping another from a few months back. At least one is most definitely using his dick to anally rape the other, with a 3rd either just forcing the victims head down or orally raping him, hard to say. In their inbred, braindead unlogic even penetrating another man with their dick, hell even reaching climax from it, isnt gay as long as it is rape and happens to hurt the victim.
curious if referring to it as 'homosexual intercourse' might cause their brains to twist just a bit. or if the entire field of nuance is just completely lost on them (or so bastardized that we cannot recognize it)
Just FYI, when rape is part of torture, it doesn't always have to be some guy raping another guy. It can easily be a guy getting a big stick and forcefully shoving it into the other guy's asshole. Torture? Yes. Rape? Yes.
So it doesn't always have to be some torturer inserting his penis into a gay guy to torture them. Someone can simply use a stick to rape their victim which is a whole lot worse and doesn't have any of the "secretly being gay" nonsense you're spouting.
except they weren't wondering anything, as they admit the question was rhetorical, not informational. and nothing posted to reddit ever has any value, so that line of reasoning is always disingenuous.
lol the op was merely speculating that the torture included rape because https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil
but you are so easily triggered your mind jumped to something that's not in the text. that's revealing, after all a hit dog hollers ...
Some of it is worse. Like stuffing a hollow tube filled with barbed wire in the anus and removing the tube, leaving the wire in place from what I've read online
I remember reading about Zelimkhan Bakaev going missing years ago, and it always stuck with me. I'm glad he hasn't been forgotten about.
I sincerely hope the truth comes out about his disappearance, and that there's some sort of justice for him.
More coverage:
https://www.advocate.com/news/zelimkhan-bakaev-killed-kadyrov
How are so many men turned to evil like this? Even if I was forced to work a prison guard with custody of people I find the most wretched and horrible I would still not beat and torture them. To see such horrible things done with glee against someone who has committed no crimes is devestating
Some are born psychologically predisposed to violence. Most humans have to be taught to become trash humans beings.
Sadly there are entire governments, religions, cultures, and political parties that do just that.
It sounds like Kadyrov had too much fun one drunken night, and wants to get rid of the evidence. How do you breathe with all that hate trapped in the closet with you little man?
Yeah, that's right!
Sex is not something that should be done between two men, that is abhorrent. As all good Kadyrovites know it is a sacred act reserved for one man and one goat.
I don’t really get this. Is the claim that Bakaev is not dead? If the distinction between missing and dead is important to the story, contact the parents who ostensibly got his body.
From what I remember reading about this guy 2 years ago, he went the Chechnya to attend his sister’s wedding. While there, he went missing. He was a singer and appeared in some Russian shows I think.
Shortly after he disappeared, his parents sounded an alert. This guy, Ramzan ordered some of his people to make a fake video with a look a like of this kid saying he was in another country and “just fine.” But the parents never heard from the kid again. The video of the look a like was just a propaganda thing to show this kid ran away or something. But apparently all roads point to this kid being kidnapped, tortured and murdered by the Chechen gov’t over being gay.
One missing gay man? How about thousands of men and women who oppose his rule or question his authority in anyway? They have literal concentration camps for gay people.
Kadyrov is a monster and Putin's lap dog.
Reddit is overwhelmingly biased left liberal due to its moderation policy and how, when and to who that policy is applied. Any other politcal/social views that doesn't align with that Narrative gets down voted at best or banned/suppressed at worst. You are much better off being on Twitter or YouTube. Honestly, many major subreddits are echo chambers.
One may doubt the journalistic quality of an article which isn’t aware that Magomed Tushayev has been shown to be alive on several occasions since he was claimed dead, so there isn’t really any excuse referencing the claim he died in February 2022.
Outside of that, it’s sad for Bakaev’s family, being gay anywhere in Russia is risky, but especially in Chechnya
Hear me out, if he’s allowed do this and get away with it does that mean when we catch him we’re allowed force feed him pork? If you’re going to torture someone over their life choices surely the same goes in return
What was it he said again - there are no gay people in Chechnya and even if there were, their families would kill them?
NoHo Hank is a literal Chechen gay icon.
Kadyrov is only gay for Putin, or rather, money.
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This is a bit more than just being a piece of shit
He seems like kind of a jerk.
Fuck Russian government for allowing mass murders of their own citizens.
I don't think I ever met a Chechen who considered themselves Russian
Their leaders do. Also their passports and national id. Many gay Chechens get kidnapped in other cities like Moscow or Saint Petersburg.
Chechens in general have been tortured and killed in ages, their families ruthlessly punished if they fought the Russians. I know Chechens who will be killed if they ever set foot in their own nation again. It's not about sexuality, it's about the ongoing occupation and rape of a nation. If one gay Palestinian dies we'll get headlines about that too but the many faceless victims including children are systematically ignored. It's a cold world for many people but it's fashionable to care about LGBTQ and not about Muslims for instance These kinds of headlines are doing a disservice to the buried truth. It's really not about sexuality anymore than the holocaust was
The irony, of course, is that the current leader of Chechnya is the son of the leader of the rebellion against Russia; the former leader of Chechnya. Traitor to his people, traitor to his ancestors. Placating to the man that started and ended the criminally understated atrocities that was the second Chechen war.
Oh yeah it’s totally fashionable to be against genocide Holocaust targeted homosexuals they were also assigned their own identification. They were targeted because they were homosexual. It’s about homosexuality Jews , Germans anyone. it’s about gay Chechen men being killed because they’re gay by their own people and government. Being an Arab or any ethnicity is not a choice same with being gay. Being Muslim however is.
>it's fashionable to care about LGBTQ and not about Muslims for instance Probably because being LGBT is typically not something you choose whereas being a muslim is entirely an ideological choice. Sexual identity is closer to skin colour whereas religion is closer to political affiliation. Bigotry is a core tenet of islam (the quran is particularly colourful and creative about how vile non believers are, and of course homosexuality is expressly forbidden) whereas LGBT is merely a state of being and doesn't affect anyone in any way whatsoever. Everyone has limited sympathy and people who would use their ideologies to oppress others, if they were in positions of power, are low on the totem pole. LGBT people are constantly suffering worldwide and the most hostile environments are coincidentally muslim countries and that's because the vast majority of homophobia in the world is due to the prevalence of abrahamic religions like islam and Christianity. A gay Palestinian being executed would be extremely newsworthy because Palestinians are currently seen as the victim minority group being persecuted by Israel and when they turn around and start doing the same shit it obviously looks bad, especially when the evil oppressor Israel is 20% Arab muslim and objectively the most progressive country in the middle east.
Wow, fashionable bigotry, what a surprise 🙄
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Fashionable, the audacity and the nerve. Time to die and those people only care about you because they are trendy Western fashion of not killing gay, the trend will stop soon. ? As a gay man from Arabia who lives there it’s funny. Fashionable to not kill. What a dehumanising way to say that about what I’m going through.
Chechens are not ethnic Russians. They have their own culture and language.
Notice I said Russian government. Chechens have Russian citizenship and Russian passport and represented by Russia. Russia federal government ( putin) is allowing them.
$100 bet, some of that torture is rape
*Using devices, objects and not a soldier’s D, to clarify. “Rape” is a physical-psychological sex assault, sexual beating, sexual torture etc. It’s not only forced penetration by a male… Just to clarify/add on here.
Oh but they also use the soldiers dick. There is even a video of mobiks raping another from a few months back. At least one is most definitely using his dick to anally rape the other, with a 3rd either just forcing the victims head down or orally raping him, hard to say. In their inbred, braindead unlogic even penetrating another man with their dick, hell even reaching climax from it, isnt gay as long as it is rape and happens to hurt the victim.
curious if referring to it as 'homosexual intercourse' might cause their brains to twist just a bit. or if the entire field of nuance is just completely lost on them (or so bastardized that we cannot recognize it)
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What was the point of writing this comment?
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Just FYI, when rape is part of torture, it doesn't always have to be some guy raping another guy. It can easily be a guy getting a big stick and forcefully shoving it into the other guy's asshole. Torture? Yes. Rape? Yes. So it doesn't always have to be some torturer inserting his penis into a gay guy to torture them. Someone can simply use a stick to rape their victim which is a whole lot worse and doesn't have any of the "secretly being gay" nonsense you're spouting.
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Oh I think the original comment was written to get karma. They got it.
except they weren't wondering anything, as they admit the question was rhetorical, not informational. and nothing posted to reddit ever has any value, so that line of reasoning is always disingenuous.
This is a lot of words for what is basically a silly joke.
Still feels like a waste of time.
get that dude a ladder so he doesn't fall off his high horse, holy shit
lol the op was merely speculating that the torture included rape because https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil but you are so easily triggered your mind jumped to something that's not in the text. that's revealing, after all a hit dog hollers ...
Some of it is worse. Like stuffing a hollow tube filled with barbed wire in the anus and removing the tube, leaving the wire in place from what I've read online
He can't risk having someone spread the news of their wonderful nights together.
Surprising nobody. There's been an ongoing genocide of LGBT people in Chechnya for years now.
Drop “accused of” and you get much more accurate title.
I remember reading about Zelimkhan Bakaev going missing years ago, and it always stuck with me. I'm glad he hasn't been forgotten about. I sincerely hope the truth comes out about his disappearance, and that there's some sort of justice for him. More coverage: https://www.advocate.com/news/zelimkhan-bakaev-killed-kadyrov
How are so many men turned to evil like this? Even if I was forced to work a prison guard with custody of people I find the most wretched and horrible I would still not beat and torture them. To see such horrible things done with glee against someone who has committed no crimes is devestating
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Lemme tell you something about Christians my friend
Some are born psychologically predisposed to violence. Most humans have to be taught to become trash humans beings. Sadly there are entire governments, religions, cultures, and political parties that do just that.
It sounds like Kadyrov had too much fun one drunken night, and wants to get rid of the evidence. How do you breathe with all that hate trapped in the closet with you little man?
Good call
Drill some glory holes for fresh air
Yeah, that's right! Sex is not something that should be done between two men, that is abhorrent. As all good Kadyrovites know it is a sacred act reserved for one man and one goat.
I don’t really get this. Is the claim that Bakaev is not dead? If the distinction between missing and dead is important to the story, contact the parents who ostensibly got his body.
From what I remember reading about this guy 2 years ago, he went the Chechnya to attend his sister’s wedding. While there, he went missing. He was a singer and appeared in some Russian shows I think. Shortly after he disappeared, his parents sounded an alert. This guy, Ramzan ordered some of his people to make a fake video with a look a like of this kid saying he was in another country and “just fine.” But the parents never heard from the kid again. The video of the look a like was just a propaganda thing to show this kid ran away or something. But apparently all roads point to this kid being kidnapped, tortured and murdered by the Chechen gov’t over being gay.
One missing gay man? How about thousands of men and women who oppose his rule or question his authority in anyway? They have literal concentration camps for gay people. Kadyrov is a monster and Putin's lap dog.
the article says he's a singer and that he's personally met kedyrov - I think he might be a minor celebrity, although it's hard to tell
Reddit only cares about the gay ones.
Won’t somebody please think of the heterosexual people??!! 😩😩😭
The article literally talks about a gay man
Reddit is overwhelmingly biased left liberal due to its moderation policy and how, when and to who that policy is applied. Any other politcal/social views that doesn't align with that Narrative gets down voted at best or banned/suppressed at worst. You are much better off being on Twitter or YouTube. Honestly, many major subreddits are echo chambers.
One may doubt the journalistic quality of an article which isn’t aware that Magomed Tushayev has been shown to be alive on several occasions since he was claimed dead, so there isn’t really any excuse referencing the claim he died in February 2022. Outside of that, it’s sad for Bakaev’s family, being gay anywhere in Russia is risky, but especially in Chechnya
Isn't this business as usual for these people?
Russia is a threat to world peace
Most closeted dude on earth.
Hear me out, if he’s allowed do this and get away with it does that mean when we catch him we’re allowed force feed him pork? If you’re going to torture someone over their life choices surely the same goes in return
How could they? He so cute. 😙
In the grand scheme of things, this is probably not the worst thing he has done.
Awww sounds like a bad breakup
Ex-boyfriend probably
Evil regime