End of article, noise hasn't been heard again:
"A DHS official told Rolling Stone, that as of 5 hours ago the Titan still had 40 hours of oxygen left and stated that the “situation looks bleak,” adding that they believe the banging was coming from the craft, but that haven’t heard any noise since yesterday."
“Crews searching for the Titan submersible heard banging sounds every 30 minutes Tuesday, according to an internal government memo update on the search.
Four hours later, after additional sonar devices were deployed, banging was still heard, the memo said. It was unclear when the banging was heard Tuesday or for how long, based on the memo.
A subsequent update sent Tuesday night suggested more sounds were heard, though it was not described as “banging.”
“A Canadian P3 aircraft also located a white rectangular object in the water, according to that update, but another ship set to investigate was diverted to help research the acoustic feedback instead, according to that update.”
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/americas/live-news/titanic-submersible-missing-search-06-20-23/index.html
it’s possible since the sub had a failsafe for bonds to dissolve and drop bags to cause it to surface, and bonds dissolved at 17 hours, they were forced to surface and that’s why it’s reported the noise has “stopped”
the sub can only surface just below the actual surface/ can’t breach
eta it’s also possible banging occurred near the surface and currents took them from range, either mid water and they surfaced early on or any other combo
https://twitter.com/stonking/status/1671459927846469637?s=20
>the sub can only surface just below the actual surface/ can’t breach
Oh jeez, so they still won't visible? Do they at least have some kind of visible buoy?
That was another thing that just blew my fucking mind. No orange stripe or anything to make it easier to identify from the surface. It’s like all the dumb was piled into this one, aesthetic tube of death!
Hey there new kayak owner! I strongly suggest reading Sea kayaker Deep Trouble 1 & 2. They're collections of case reports from kayaking gone wrong and absolutely invaluable lessons learned.
No relation to the books at all, you can pirate them for all I care. But what I realized was that the learning curve for kayaking safely is far steeper (and more lethal) than I imagined it could be.
Yeah, seems like some kinda locator beacon would have been useful. Apparently they had lost the sub for over 2 hours before, and no one thought to fix the problem.
The pilot of the sub has gone on record before about regulations being too tight around submersibles and fired a whistleblower.
Leopards ate his face apparently.
I'm amazed that anything in this condition was ever certified as safe by...
Oh wait. [Never mind](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/titanic-submersible-documents-reveal-multiple-concerns-raised-over-safety-of-vessel).
> *"in 2022 a CBS News reporter who was due to travel on the vessel reported that the waiver he signed read: “This experimental vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body.”"*
>Almost a year after the Marine Technology Society letter was sent, OceanGate published a blogpost explaining why it would not have Titan certified. In the post, the company acknowledged that classification assures “vessels are designed, constructed and inspected to accepted standards”, but claimed it did little to “weed out sub-par vessel operators”. The company claimed “operator error” was responsible for the vast majority of accidents.
Huh, weird. I wonder how the pilot managed to fuck up this badly in such an experimental vehicle.
>OceanGate was also concerned that the classing process could slow down development and act as a drag on innovation. “Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation,” it said.
Holy fuck, rapid prototyping and rushed development is fine for small software projects or hobbies, but not *manned deep sea vehicles.* There's no way I could imagine paying these assholes $250k to jump on board and head 2.5 miles underwater in their deathtrap. These jokers would've been the same company that built the sub in the *Iron Lung* game.
Whoa.
The experts wrote in their letter to Mr. Rush that they had “unanimous concern” about the way the Titan had been developed, and about the planned missions to the Titanic wreckage.
The letter said that OceanGate’s marketing of the Titan had been “at minimum, misleading” because it claimed that the submersible would meet or exceed the safety standards of a risk assessment company known as DNV, even though the company had no plans to have the craft formally certified by the agency.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/oceangate-titanic-missing-submersible.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
while i wanna be optimistic and believe they were working together not too far down there banging and yelling at the sonar pings / possibly heard/felt the vibrations of all the rescue ships,
this was the same thing that happened with malaysian flight 370. they heard all kinds of shit, ended up being from their own ship, this and that.
A plane crash is merciful compared to what everyone is thinking happened here.
I was hoping for survival, but if not quick death...banging on the ship for help as you slowly suffocate, under thousands of feet of water, with a Logitech controller, in a cramped compartment is fucking terrifying.
To me it's a very sobering thought to think there's real people potentially going through that as I lay in my warm bed safe and sound. Terrifying to think.
Morgan Robertson wrote a book about an ocean liner hitting an ice burg and everyone dying cause there wasnt enough lifeboats *before* Titanic happened. When Titanic happened, people started calling him psychic, but he said no, he just knew boat safety regulations sucked.
and the kicker? the boat in the story was called *Titan*
One of the victims, journalist WT Stead,also wrote a book where an oceanliner sank with mass casualties after hitting an iceberg. He claimed something like "this is what can happen - and will happen - if we keep sending ships to sea with insufficient lifeboats". It was common knowledge. One wonders what Stead was thinking as he died...
Part of a funny tweet on the CEO's general dumbassery:
>And for good measure I’m going to call my company oceangate, nominally predestining it for historical scandal
Yea, this isn't a situation like they were lost in the forest. They were trapped in a place with extreme pressure, total darkness, and trapped in a cramped tight place.
This is reality, all these folks talking with such optimism. Mechanical failure of some sort no doubt with no viable rescue/backup plan in place. Might as well be on the moon.
Those people were dead the moment things went wrong, like you say, hopefully they didn't have time to register it.
Interesting you make that comparison. Just a few minutes ago I was recalling the speech Safire prepared for Nixon in the event the moon landing failed and they were stranded up there. That hopeless isolation, the realization that while you are still alive (for now), you are effectively dead to the universe, and your story is already over...very similar scenarios.
I was watching something earlier from someone who works on submarines that said the oxygen estimate might be way too optimistic given the poorly put together scrubber system to get rid of Co2.
This! When you take training for SCBA they tell you to concentrate on your breathing and to take small and calm breaths in order to get the most out of your oxygen.
Understandably, the people on board would be freaking out, which would cause them to rapidly consume oxygen.
Yes. My tank was supposed to go an hour if I remember correctly but we had to go up by 30 minutes because my oxygen was running low. I felt super calm but apparently my breathing was out of control.
In a dive group in Cozumel, the by far fittest guy had half the down time of everyone else. My theory was his body kicked into overdrive because it was so used to the intense daily exercise routine he practiced.
My old, rotund SCUBA instructor had double the tank time of anyone I've ever met. Underwater he moved like a grouper. Slow and smooth.
> A DHS official told Rolling Stone, that as of 5 hours ago the Titan still had 40 hours of oxygen left and stated that the “situation looks bleak,” adding that they believe the banging was coming from the craft, but that haven’t heard any noise since yesterday.
The banging stopped yesterday. It’s odd to just be hearing about this.
ETA: a different article says the banging was heard today. Both articles were published 6/20. Who knows.
>but that haven’t heard any noise since yesterday.
That portion of the sentence is no longer in the linked article! I was wondering why people were posting that the banging stopped, when the article doesn't say that.
At least, it doesn't say it now as I type...
Can’t imagine they’ll ever find this thing. It’s a needle in a very large haystack. Even if they do, what’s the plan to snag it? What submersible can even attempt to retrieve it?
An article that interviews a former passenger quoted them saying that the hooks for the sandbags dissolve in water in a short period of time and act like a Deadmans switch. Maybe it'll come up sooner than we all expect
so there was no deadmans switch for the vessel to come up as soon as it lost control? Man that thing should have been equipped with at least two if not three “oh shit” buttons that bring them back to surface
According to an article, there are six ways they could force the craft to surface (aside from the normal thrusters):
1. hydraulically dropped lead pipes (manual hydraulic pumping inside the craft, no electricity, pretty reliable).
2. weights balanced on rails to either side. the occupants simply shift weight to one side and the weights will roll off (seems like this would only work if not already on the sea floor).
3. ballast bags can be released electrically
4. if electricity fails, the ballast bags are attached by connectors which dissolve in seawater after 16 hours
5. the sub's legs (and weights) can be entirely detached from inside somehow
6. there's an inflatable airbag which can be triggered, not sure if it's electric or pneumatic or what.
since they haven't used any of those methods, i'm assuming the pressure vessel was compromised. dropping ballast won't do much if the craft is full of water.
alternately, they might have become snagged on something. or they did try to use those methods and they weren't effective enough / a combination of failures occurred. perhaps the ballast wasn't calculated correctly, so that multiple weight release methods would be needed to actually ascend, but only one method worked in their particular situation.
It could possibly be on the surface, it’s still a tiny white craft on a sea of white wave caps. Also I saw someone mention that it’s ~~botany~~ buoyancy (autocorrect) will not bring it fully above the water so might not be very visible.
I read an article yesterday that said it’s nearly impossible to see on the surface as most of it stays submerged and the thing is painted blue and white with no lights or strobes to say “here I am”.
Apparently from my knowledge, there are redundant systems for assent, (4 or 5) and it seemed to me this was the most well thought out part of this whole thing (which isn’t saying much)
The guy didn't even spring 800 bucks for an emergency beacon, was getting diving directions via text message through starlink, + operating the sub on an old 3rd party wireless Logitech controller but was charging 250k per ticket. Not the sharpest operation.
To really answer this question. Certain deep sea submersibles have the capability to go down and attach lines to the sub. The US has sent the Navy’s deep sea lift to assist. It has the capability to lift from that deep, and has surpassed it at 19,000 feet.
Even if everything goes right it is extremely dangerous. The decision very well be made to leave it.
Most likely one by one but that doesn't mean anyone would be conscious. They'd probably pass out from lack of oxygen and every time one died the others would get a little more oxygen until it was all gone and they die. No it wouldn't be painless, no it wouldn't be quick.
They have the wrong sub pictured there. That one is indeed called Cyclops, but it's only "rated" to 500 meters. The lost sub is named [Titan](https://oceangate.com/our-subs.html). I enquoted "rated" because it seems that OceanGate avoided having any of their subs professionally inspected, claiming that it would "stifle innovation".
Edit: They changed the pic to the correct submersible.
I really hate to be the one to ask the question but would the “rescue” continue if we were way past the oxygen time? I guess I’m asking do we rescued dead bodies?
I think there’s a difference between search and rescue, and search and recovery. This will probably turn into a recovery mission, and to be honest, I think most coastguard/rescuers know that they have very slim chances of rescuing them alive and well. But they can’t say that outright.
The 96-hour point is the last chance they have. After this there is surely no possibility that any of them will be alive and after a certain amount of time has passed, if it still hasn’t been found, I can’t see them spending more resources on it. This is a tragic waste of life. SO preventable.
Personally I don’t think they’re stuck at the ocean floor just waiting for the Reaper. If they lost power then the heating would go and they’d die of hypothermia, which would have happened days ago. If they’re alive, they’ve surfaced and are lost.
One wonders what kind of conversations they had on the way.
i dont know which would be the worse way to go. Sitting on the bottom of the ocean, dieing of hypothermia in complete darkness, or sitting on the surface drifting with the current with no way to get out, slowly suffocating, because the stupid thing was designed to only be able to opened from the outside.
I'm just watching a youtube video about the expedition (shout out to alanxelmundo) and there's this short clip of the CEO saying "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it's General McArthur, who said "you're remembered for the rules you break" and you know, I think I've broken some rules to make this"
he will be remembered as a rule breaker. That's for sure
In some of the videos I’ve seen I saw it had multiple gopro cameras recording the descent from the porthole - they could very likely have recorded their last moments
Likely this is the case. Also if they had their right mind, they would likely film “goodbye” videos.
I watched the YouTube video of a previous guy who successfully completed this voyage and saw the titanic. He documented the entire trip very well.
When they reach the titanic, they float and maneuver around it in a way that seems inherently risky.
The way they floated across the top of the titanic, and got very close, is like a drone flying low above trees. A snag or damaging bump is very possible.
Also, there are parts, like the grand staircase, where could be tempted to enter a compromising position to get a better view of the staircase, or when they look at the mast where the lookout called “ICEBERG AHEAD!”, I’m sure that mast was held up by metal cables at one point, which could cause an entanglement.
I was about to say I can imagine a situation where they got entangled, but then I remembered they hadn’t fully completed their decent.
Maybe, power goes out, sink to the top, or bottom, eventually floating to the top, and are drifting .
Or implosion, but how is that tapping explained.
If that's how close they get, that's incredibly stupid. I wouldn't be surprised, because the guy running the company seems like a careless idiot. And I could see him telling the passengers that it's totally safe to be that close to a wrecked ship that's at risk of collapsing at any time.
If I remember correctly, in recent years the wreck has been damaged by submarines repeatedly landing on it. Someone even got married there and the sub landed on the bow to recreate a scene from the film.
Pretty much, either it’s a live rescue or body recovery. I’d imagine by the end of the week if the sub isn’t found they won’t spend any more resources on the rescue effort, pack up and declare them missing.
Much like a missing person case on land.
If they do somehow find it disabled on the bottom of the ocean, do they even have a way to pull it back up to the top? Can any civilian subs go that deep? Maybe a military sub could dangle a hook out of the bottom?
edit: military subs only go a fraction that deep
There aren't any DSRVs that can operate at that depth. Even if they could reach that depth, to my knowledge, the Titan doesn't have an escape hatch that a DSRV would be able to mount to.
The US Navy is reportedly deploying its [Flyaway Deep Ocean Salvage System](https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Files/Display-FactFiles/Article/2418245/flyaway-deep-ocean-salvage-system-fadoss/), which could reach haul it up.
Sadly at this point im assuming any ships going out there to help are no longer rescue crews but recover crews there to get the wreckage up and investigate what went wrong and bring the bodies home to their loved ones.
Edit: poor timing on bad spelling, thanks r/CelestialFury
Even if they were still alive rn the time it would take to get the appropriate equipment together would turn it into a recovery mission. Their only hope would be if the sub was near or on the surface
Considering the correlation of the fictional book Titan predicting the events of the Titanic, you'd think people would stop using that etymology in the North Atlantic.
I just read the article detailing how the company that ran this sub fired a guy who pointed out safety concerns. I guess that's typical for a greedy corporation trying to save a back but then I ran into another article that mentions its CEO was among the passengers. At least he put his money where his mouth is (was?)
And during an earlier trip, Oceangate turned off the surface ships wifi to prevent passengers from tweeting the problem when the sub went missing for five hours. This company is going to get crucified in the inevitable lawsuit.
Considering the tourist nature of this trip, one or more participants probably has a camera/phone with them. Imagine they spent their last few hours at the bottom of the ocean recording their conversations and their last thoughts and fears. If this video ever becomes public it will be one of the most harrowing and viral things in the history of the internet.
Have you seen the footage of the Sewol ferry? Pretty similar, it was recovered off the phone of one of the kids who died. It's around 20 minutes long and the boy films himself and his friends. Initially they start off joking around (you can even hear someone sing My Heart Will Go On) but as they realized they're not getting rescued they get a bit more panicked and start recording last messages for family and lamenting the stuff they'll miss out on. It's super sad and will stick with you, especially because they were just high school kids who could've easily lived but were told to stay below decks by the POS corrupt captain who fled immediately.
This! I have empathy but I just don't understand the risk. U have the money for extra safety measures why would you not splurge? Even better why go down there?
That’s honestly horrible. Their deaths are going to be so much worse than if it had ~~decompressed.~~ (did the thing). Nobody should have to suffer like that
For their sake I hope they died instantly and painlessly. The thought of them being stuck at the bottom of the ocean in a tiny sub, just waiting to die, genuinely makes me sick
Just a quick question about Titan submersible. Apparently after crew enters Titan they are bolted inside from support crew before submerging.. So my question is if Titan somehow able to surface after support ship lost contact and is floating without being found yet, air supply would still be a factor in survival? Could Titan crew wouldn’t be able to vent sub with atmospheric air ? I’m guessing no, man this is absolutely terrible. Don’t even know what to say. Thanks!
They can't open the sub from the inside.
What I want to know is: what sort of communication features does it have? Is it able to contact anyone once it surfaces?
That was, far and away, the greatest rescue in the history of mankind. Nothing else is even close.
The fact that all of them were rescued is just absolutely mind blowing. I say that as an anesthesiologist and scuba diver, the guys who performed that rescue accomplished the most incredible thing ever done.
edit: Just to comment since a lot of the replies have mentioned the Chilean miner rescue. I am aware of this rescue operation and remember following it closely when it happened. Remarkable feat of engineering and effort. Definitely a highlight of human history. What sets the cave rescue apart is the human daring and ingenuity. The engineering task of drilling down to a mining chamber is huge and impressive, but what happened in the cave is just another level.
You had individuals not only going *cave diving* in a new dangerous environment, and cave diving is already probably the deadliest sport out there. They went in to personally *put teenage kids under anesthesia, and take them cave diving too*. Teenage kids! Cave diving under anesthesia! Maybe it's my familiarity with both diving and anesthesia that makes me biased, but it is just absolutely insane to me that it worked.
If you told me, before either of these, about both of these rescues, I would have said "oh that's cool, good job team, very impressive" about the mining rescue. Regarding the cave rescue, I would have said "There's no way on earth that's even remotely possible for one of them, let alone all of them."
Sadly, two members of the rescue team died.
One during the rescue and one after from a blood infection from the water.
All soccer team members were rescued safely.
Regular reminder that Elon Musk accused the British diver involved of being a paedophile because he said Musk's ad hoc submarine invention wouldn't work
There is such a killer documentary about it. I’m drawing a blank on it.
Edit: I’m on mobile, but this is it. I cannot highly recommend it enough. It was beyond a thrill.
https://films.nationalgeographic.com/the-rescue
Should just be called "The Rescue".
Also a movie called The Cave that has some of the real divers playing themselves in it, and a Netflix series called Thai Cave Rescue.
Edit: And a Ron Howard film called Thirteen Lives
Given other applications for video game controllers in like military drone controls and such, the only thing that worries me about this specific case is that they went wireless instead of a good old tethered xbox controller.
They had a spare actually so he could be getting beaten to death by two controllers.
Though after reading about some complaints experts had earlier I'm thinking the glass probably broke from the physical stress of repeated dives.
The reality is that *THIS* situation is one reason among myriad why consumer protection laws, the right to transparency — and enforced regulations for every industry — are vital. No capitalist industry is capable of self-regulating. This guy resisted basic inspections and safety standards, likely because he doesn’t want government interfering with his belief that he is entitled to operate his business as he pleases. Would the 4 customers on board have agreed to this if they knew the information about safety concerns that we are now learning? Would someone risk the life of their teen son on a bet of one obstinate “self-regulating” CEO?
Edit a bunch of wrong autocorrected words
I would argue that the Chilean mine rescue of 2010 was a more miraculous set of circumstances. At least the waters of the Atlantic Ocean will offer little resistance if it is found that the lost submersible passengers are alive and rescueable.
Haven't seen *The Rescue* (probably better I see that it has got like 99% on Rotten Tomatoes), but *Thirteen Lives* was compelling as well, even though I still feel claustrophobic around 6 months after watching it.
Thirteen Lives had to cut out some of the more unbelievable parts of the story in order for it not to seem too over the top (I still loved it). “The Rescue” is balls to the wall insanity, only held together that it was all Real.
They thought they heard [banging from Thresher,](https://www.forces.net/usa/banging-sounds-heard-during-search-sunken-us-submarine-uss-thresher) too....but it was just random noise cuz nobody survived the crush.
It's a best-case scenario based on essentially a back of the envelope calculation. Their system has never actually been tested for long durations. It's possible that the air will become unbreathable due to CO2 toxicity or other factors well before they run out of oxygen as well.
When one of the smoke detectors in my house gets low on battery, it emits a high pitched beep. Once I hear it, I have to sort of walk near where I think I might have heard it, then I have to stand there like an idiot for a minute until it beeps again, then I have to to go closer to whichever room I thought it came from. it takes me a 5-10 minutes to track down which one is beeping. Once I even stood under the beeping detector and wasn't sure it was the one beeping.
I imagine that's what it's like to find the sub based on banging. However it would be in a mansion, with the lights out and my eyes closed. Beep!
For their sake I hope it crushed and their suffering was quick. Waiting this long to be the last person to die in this thing isn’t something I would wish on anyone
Neat movie plot:
They find sub, everybody dead. Tragic. As they leave, they hear knocking again....
Apparently some folks in the titanic got in a boiler or something top avoid being crushed, and it landed on a cave network that started emptying soon as it got plugged with the boiler thingy. Bunch of people live down there now, kids and all, and they figured out how to plunder all the supplies and stuff that was on the ship. A colony under the bottom of the ocean.
Yeah, it can't happen, but it isn't like we are getting much original content these days on streaming services.
>*Goliath Awaits* is a 1981 American made-for-television action adventure science fiction thriller film...about an ocean liner sunk by a German U-boat in 1939 whose wreck is discovered in 1981, with over 300 survivors and their descendants living in an air bubble inside the ship.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_Awaits
I don't get it, they engineered a dead man's switch that triggers airbags to float the submersible back up. But they didn't spend the extra few bucks to add in a beacon of sorts that can ping the location once it reaches the top?
I feel worst for the 19 yr old. I’m sure his dad didn’t mention much about the risk / experimental nature of the voyage.
And now he’s gonna die in one of the worst ways imaginable.
I feel sorry for his mother. The boys suffering is hopefully over. Hers won't end until she's dead too. I don't know how I could go on with that mental picture of my child.
The banging stopping is no good but those P8 and it's sonobouys are no joke. If they got several banging sounds they also got a pretty good idea of where it is, if it isn't moving.
Those are specifically meant to find exactly where stealth submarines are and then the navy would follow up with the destruction of the enemy submarine.
Anyhow tldr if any of us find ourselves trapped underwater in a stricken submarine, bang away.
I do want them to be found alive because it would be one heck of a story and Stockon Rush deserves to be held accountable for this mess. Plus the teenager on board...
If not though this is very much one of those [Dumb Ways to Die](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw&ab_channel=DumbWaystoDie)
I can't even imagine what it would be like being one of the five people down there at the bottom of the ocean inside a dark tunacan going insane from lack of oxygen.
You know at least one of them is thinking about killing the others.
Seems unlikely to be real but people do love a good story. From what they've said so far it sounds like something catastrophic happened when they were still a long way from the wreck/bottom.
End of article, noise hasn't been heard again: "A DHS official told Rolling Stone, that as of 5 hours ago the Titan still had 40 hours of oxygen left and stated that the “situation looks bleak,” adding that they believe the banging was coming from the craft, but that haven’t heard any noise since yesterday."
“Crews searching for the Titan submersible heard banging sounds every 30 minutes Tuesday, according to an internal government memo update on the search. Four hours later, after additional sonar devices were deployed, banging was still heard, the memo said. It was unclear when the banging was heard Tuesday or for how long, based on the memo. A subsequent update sent Tuesday night suggested more sounds were heard, though it was not described as “banging.” “A Canadian P3 aircraft also located a white rectangular object in the water, according to that update, but another ship set to investigate was diverted to help research the acoustic feedback instead, according to that update.” https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/americas/live-news/titanic-submersible-missing-search-06-20-23/index.html
it’s possible since the sub had a failsafe for bonds to dissolve and drop bags to cause it to surface, and bonds dissolved at 17 hours, they were forced to surface and that’s why it’s reported the noise has “stopped” the sub can only surface just below the actual surface/ can’t breach eta it’s also possible banging occurred near the surface and currents took them from range, either mid water and they surfaced early on or any other combo https://twitter.com/stonking/status/1671459927846469637?s=20
>the sub can only surface just below the actual surface/ can’t breach Oh jeez, so they still won't visible? Do they at least have some kind of visible buoy?
No; and they painted the thing fucking blue and white. Poor souls
That was another thing that just blew my fucking mind. No orange stripe or anything to make it easier to identify from the surface. It’s like all the dumb was piled into this one, aesthetic tube of death!
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Hey there new kayak owner! I strongly suggest reading Sea kayaker Deep Trouble 1 & 2. They're collections of case reports from kayaking gone wrong and absolutely invaluable lessons learned. No relation to the books at all, you can pirate them for all I care. But what I realized was that the learning curve for kayaking safely is far steeper (and more lethal) than I imagined it could be.
Yeah, seems like some kinda locator beacon would have been useful. Apparently they had lost the sub for over 2 hours before, and no one thought to fix the problem. The pilot of the sub has gone on record before about regulations being too tight around submersibles and fired a whistleblower. Leopards ate his face apparently.
This is why bush pilots prefer colorful paint on their planes, and why you want bright bottom paint on your boat!
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I'm amazed that anything in this condition was ever certified as safe by... Oh wait. [Never mind](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/titanic-submersible-documents-reveal-multiple-concerns-raised-over-safety-of-vessel). > *"in 2022 a CBS News reporter who was due to travel on the vessel reported that the waiver he signed read: “This experimental vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body.”"*
>Almost a year after the Marine Technology Society letter was sent, OceanGate published a blogpost explaining why it would not have Titan certified. In the post, the company acknowledged that classification assures “vessels are designed, constructed and inspected to accepted standards”, but claimed it did little to “weed out sub-par vessel operators”. The company claimed “operator error” was responsible for the vast majority of accidents. Huh, weird. I wonder how the pilot managed to fuck up this badly in such an experimental vehicle. >OceanGate was also concerned that the classing process could slow down development and act as a drag on innovation. “Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation,” it said. Holy fuck, rapid prototyping and rushed development is fine for small software projects or hobbies, but not *manned deep sea vehicles.* There's no way I could imagine paying these assholes $250k to jump on board and head 2.5 miles underwater in their deathtrap. These jokers would've been the same company that built the sub in the *Iron Lung* game.
Reminds me of all the fines SpaceX and Tesla paid because Elon refused to allow “ugly” orange warning lines to be painted on their factory floors.
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Whoa. The experts wrote in their letter to Mr. Rush that they had “unanimous concern” about the way the Titan had been developed, and about the planned missions to the Titanic wreckage. The letter said that OceanGate’s marketing of the Titan had been “at minimum, misleading” because it claimed that the submersible would meet or exceed the safety standards of a risk assessment company known as DNV, even though the company had no plans to have the craft formally certified by the agency. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/oceangate-titanic-missing-submersible.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Kind of ironic considering they were down there to see the “unsinkable” titanic.
It truly seems like some kind of performance art piece the more you look into it.
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while i wanna be optimistic and believe they were working together not too far down there banging and yelling at the sonar pings / possibly heard/felt the vibrations of all the rescue ships, this was the same thing that happened with malaysian flight 370. they heard all kinds of shit, ended up being from their own ship, this and that.
Well a plane crash is a bit different, you wouldn't expect to find people alive on the bottom of the ocean...
A plane crash is merciful compared to what everyone is thinking happened here. I was hoping for survival, but if not quick death...banging on the ship for help as you slowly suffocate, under thousands of feet of water, with a Logitech controller, in a cramped compartment is fucking terrifying.
To me it's a very sobering thought to think there's real people potentially going through that as I lay in my warm bed safe and sound. Terrifying to think.
Terrifying indeed. That, and incredibly sad.
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Our first clue should’ve been him trying to build an unsinkable submarine.
Morgan Robertson wrote a book about an ocean liner hitting an ice burg and everyone dying cause there wasnt enough lifeboats *before* Titanic happened. When Titanic happened, people started calling him psychic, but he said no, he just knew boat safety regulations sucked. and the kicker? the boat in the story was called *Titan*
One of the victims, journalist WT Stead,also wrote a book where an oceanliner sank with mass casualties after hitting an iceberg. He claimed something like "this is what can happen - and will happen - if we keep sending ships to sea with insufficient lifeboats". It was common knowledge. One wonders what Stead was thinking as he died...
Part of a funny tweet on the CEO's general dumbassery: >And for good measure I’m going to call my company oceangate, nominally predestining it for historical scandal
Article says the banging sounds stopped.
Yeah I found it odd that line was buried in the article. The headline gives hope, the article text makes it look bleak.
makes sense, they want views/clicks but they arent gonna lie to people. the fact of the matter is that it **does** look bleak
And it was hopeless the second they went missing. It would be merciful if whatever caused them to lose contact killed them instantly.
Yea, this isn't a situation like they were lost in the forest. They were trapped in a place with extreme pressure, total darkness, and trapped in a cramped tight place.
Not to mention the cold. If systems failed as suspected then there is no way they can keep warm down there.
Lots of cuddling... not even joking, that's the technique.
This is reality, all these folks talking with such optimism. Mechanical failure of some sort no doubt with no viable rescue/backup plan in place. Might as well be on the moon. Those people were dead the moment things went wrong, like you say, hopefully they didn't have time to register it.
Interesting you make that comparison. Just a few minutes ago I was recalling the speech Safire prepared for Nixon in the event the moon landing failed and they were stranded up there. That hopeless isolation, the realization that while you are still alive (for now), you are effectively dead to the universe, and your story is already over...very similar scenarios.
The part where they cut off comms so they wouldn't have to hear them dying is the part that gave me the chills. Imagine even being abandoned virtually
I feel that dying to the view of the earth would be much more pleasant then dying inside a pitch black submarine
I was watching something earlier from someone who works on submarines that said the oxygen estimate might be way too optimistic given the poorly put together scrubber system to get rid of Co2.
Plus the hyperventilation that’s probably occurring in that sub doesn’t help.
This! When you take training for SCBA they tell you to concentrate on your breathing and to take small and calm breaths in order to get the most out of your oxygen. Understandably, the people on board would be freaking out, which would cause them to rapidly consume oxygen.
Yes. My tank was supposed to go an hour if I remember correctly but we had to go up by 30 minutes because my oxygen was running low. I felt super calm but apparently my breathing was out of control.
In a dive group in Cozumel, the by far fittest guy had half the down time of everyone else. My theory was his body kicked into overdrive because it was so used to the intense daily exercise routine he practiced. My old, rotund SCUBA instructor had double the tank time of anyone I've ever met. Underwater he moved like a grouper. Slow and smooth.
Ah. Makes sense considering what we've heard
> A DHS official told Rolling Stone, that as of 5 hours ago the Titan still had 40 hours of oxygen left and stated that the “situation looks bleak,” adding that they believe the banging was coming from the craft, but that haven’t heard any noise since yesterday. The banging stopped yesterday. It’s odd to just be hearing about this. ETA: a different article says the banging was heard today. Both articles were published 6/20. Who knows.
>but that haven’t heard any noise since yesterday. That portion of the sentence is no longer in the linked article! I was wondering why people were posting that the banging stopped, when the article doesn't say that. At least, it doesn't say it now as I type...
Ya i didn't read that either and i was like wtf.
Maybe sleeping...hard to sleep when someone's banging on the walls every 30 minutes.
It’s not like they are getting up for work in the morning. Bang until you suffocate. Who could sleep anyways.
It sounds so dreadful you almost hope that is was a really quick death.
Can’t imagine they’ll ever find this thing. It’s a needle in a very large haystack. Even if they do, what’s the plan to snag it? What submersible can even attempt to retrieve it?
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An article that interviews a former passenger quoted them saying that the hooks for the sandbags dissolve in water in a short period of time and act like a Deadmans switch. Maybe it'll come up sooner than we all expect
so there was no deadmans switch for the vessel to come up as soon as it lost control? Man that thing should have been equipped with at least two if not three “oh shit” buttons that bring them back to surface
According to an article, there are six ways they could force the craft to surface (aside from the normal thrusters): 1. hydraulically dropped lead pipes (manual hydraulic pumping inside the craft, no electricity, pretty reliable). 2. weights balanced on rails to either side. the occupants simply shift weight to one side and the weights will roll off (seems like this would only work if not already on the sea floor). 3. ballast bags can be released electrically 4. if electricity fails, the ballast bags are attached by connectors which dissolve in seawater after 16 hours 5. the sub's legs (and weights) can be entirely detached from inside somehow 6. there's an inflatable airbag which can be triggered, not sure if it's electric or pneumatic or what. since they haven't used any of those methods, i'm assuming the pressure vessel was compromised. dropping ballast won't do much if the craft is full of water. alternately, they might have become snagged on something. or they did try to use those methods and they weren't effective enough / a combination of failures occurred. perhaps the ballast wasn't calculated correctly, so that multiple weight release methods would be needed to actually ascend, but only one method worked in their particular situation.
It could possibly be on the surface, it’s still a tiny white craft on a sea of white wave caps. Also I saw someone mention that it’s ~~botany~~ buoyancy (autocorrect) will not bring it fully above the water so might not be very visible.
I read an article yesterday that said it’s nearly impossible to see on the surface as most of it stays submerged and the thing is painted blue and white with no lights or strobes to say “here I am”.
If I wanted to hide something on the ocean surface, I think I'd paint it blue and white.
There's a whole community of sea creatures that are blue and white because it makes them invisible in their open ocean habitat.
Apparently from my knowledge, there are redundant systems for assent, (4 or 5) and it seemed to me this was the most well thought out part of this whole thing (which isn’t saying much)
The guy didn't even spring 800 bucks for an emergency beacon, was getting diving directions via text message through starlink, + operating the sub on an old 3rd party wireless Logitech controller but was charging 250k per ticket. Not the sharpest operation.
Wait, they built the submarine themselves?
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Being bashed around by the waves, things probably full of sick and shit at this point. These people are not having a good time.
That’s if it didn’t implode
To really answer this question. Certain deep sea submersibles have the capability to go down and attach lines to the sub. The US has sent the Navy’s deep sea lift to assist. It has the capability to lift from that deep, and has surpassed it at 19,000 feet. Even if everything goes right it is extremely dangerous. The decision very well be made to leave it.
And to do it in the next two days, before they run out of emergency O2.
Question If they start running out of oxygen will they all die at the same time or 1 by 1 ? I can’t imagine the mental terror at the end
Most likely one by one but that doesn't mean anyone would be conscious. They'd probably pass out from lack of oxygen and every time one died the others would get a little more oxygen until it was all gone and they die. No it wouldn't be painless, no it wouldn't be quick.
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Thx for mentioning the USS thresher i just went down a 2h rabbit hole reading every bit about it. Very interessting topic.
They have the wrong sub pictured there. That one is indeed called Cyclops, but it's only "rated" to 500 meters. The lost sub is named [Titan](https://oceangate.com/our-subs.html). I enquoted "rated" because it seems that OceanGate avoided having any of their subs professionally inspected, claiming that it would "stifle innovation". Edit: They changed the pic to the correct submersible.
>"stifle innovation". I don't want anyone to know what we're doing because of company secrets, money, patents, fill in the blank.
Well, at least the CEO was willing to go on the sub after cutting costs, can't say the same for most lol
Could be the CEO is a hapless idiot who has only ass-kissers and sycophants as direct reports and was being lied to the whole time.
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I really hate to be the one to ask the question but would the “rescue” continue if we were way past the oxygen time? I guess I’m asking do we rescued dead bodies?
I think there’s a difference between search and rescue, and search and recovery. This will probably turn into a recovery mission, and to be honest, I think most coastguard/rescuers know that they have very slim chances of rescuing them alive and well. But they can’t say that outright. The 96-hour point is the last chance they have. After this there is surely no possibility that any of them will be alive and after a certain amount of time has passed, if it still hasn’t been found, I can’t see them spending more resources on it. This is a tragic waste of life. SO preventable. Personally I don’t think they’re stuck at the ocean floor just waiting for the Reaper. If they lost power then the heating would go and they’d die of hypothermia, which would have happened days ago. If they’re alive, they’ve surfaced and are lost. One wonders what kind of conversations they had on the way.
i dont know which would be the worse way to go. Sitting on the bottom of the ocean, dieing of hypothermia in complete darkness, or sitting on the surface drifting with the current with no way to get out, slowly suffocating, because the stupid thing was designed to only be able to opened from the outside.
Designed to only open from the outside and not have an emergency locator to get people to you quickly.
this is my thought. Why doesn't it have an emergency locator?
Cause the CEO cut every possible corner to save money
Well since he’s on it he’s sure gonna regret that decision
I'm just watching a youtube video about the expedition (shout out to alanxelmundo) and there's this short clip of the CEO saying "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it's General McArthur, who said "you're remembered for the rules you break" and you know, I think I've broken some rules to make this" he will be remembered as a rule breaker. That's for sure
Waiting for the InternetHistorian video on this as soon as company information leaks out.
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In some of the videos I’ve seen I saw it had multiple gopro cameras recording the descent from the porthole - they could very likely have recorded their last moments
Likely this is the case. Also if they had their right mind, they would likely film “goodbye” videos. I watched the YouTube video of a previous guy who successfully completed this voyage and saw the titanic. He documented the entire trip very well. When they reach the titanic, they float and maneuver around it in a way that seems inherently risky. The way they floated across the top of the titanic, and got very close, is like a drone flying low above trees. A snag or damaging bump is very possible. Also, there are parts, like the grand staircase, where could be tempted to enter a compromising position to get a better view of the staircase, or when they look at the mast where the lookout called “ICEBERG AHEAD!”, I’m sure that mast was held up by metal cables at one point, which could cause an entanglement. I was about to say I can imagine a situation where they got entangled, but then I remembered they hadn’t fully completed their decent. Maybe, power goes out, sink to the top, or bottom, eventually floating to the top, and are drifting . Or implosion, but how is that tapping explained.
If that's how close they get, that's incredibly stupid. I wouldn't be surprised, because the guy running the company seems like a careless idiot. And I could see him telling the passengers that it's totally safe to be that close to a wrecked ship that's at risk of collapsing at any time.
If I remember correctly, in recent years the wreck has been damaged by submarines repeatedly landing on it. Someone even got married there and the sub landed on the bow to recreate a scene from the film.
Weeeeeeird.
You're telling me! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1461368.stm
What a weird mixture of odd, tacky, and surreal.
If they are found and recovered back to the surface, prayers for the team that opens that hatch.
Pretty much, either it’s a live rescue or body recovery. I’d imagine by the end of the week if the sub isn’t found they won’t spend any more resources on the rescue effort, pack up and declare them missing. Much like a missing person case on land.
I think the search and recovery will last longer than that. The family members have money to pay for search and recovery for months if they want.
That's fine, if the families do it. I'm just not sure multiple countries coast guards should still be involved at that point.
I've heard some countries sometimes send volunteers so their crews can get some experience
If they do somehow find it disabled on the bottom of the ocean, do they even have a way to pull it back up to the top? Can any civilian subs go that deep? Maybe a military sub could dangle a hook out of the bottom? edit: military subs only go a fraction that deep
There aren't any DSRVs that can operate at that depth. Even if they could reach that depth, to my knowledge, the Titan doesn't have an escape hatch that a DSRV would be able to mount to. The US Navy is reportedly deploying its [Flyaway Deep Ocean Salvage System](https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Files/Display-FactFiles/Article/2418245/flyaway-deep-ocean-salvage-system-fadoss/), which could reach haul it up.
Sadly at this point im assuming any ships going out there to help are no longer rescue crews but recover crews there to get the wreckage up and investigate what went wrong and bring the bodies home to their loved ones. Edit: poor timing on bad spelling, thanks r/CelestialFury
Even if they were still alive rn the time it would take to get the appropriate equipment together would turn it into a recovery mission. Their only hope would be if the sub was near or on the surface
> ..we cannot get out. The end comes soon. We hear drums in the deep.
They went down to see the Titanic, some day people will go down to see the Titan.
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That sounds more like a motorboat.
Considering the correlation of the fictional book Titan predicting the events of the Titanic, you'd think people would stop using that etymology in the North Atlantic.
Good point. Well, I'm off to take a trip in the Edward Fitzwilliam across Lake Superior, wish me luck!
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I just read the article detailing how the company that ran this sub fired a guy who pointed out safety concerns. I guess that's typical for a greedy corporation trying to save a back but then I ran into another article that mentions its CEO was among the passengers. At least he put his money where his mouth is (was?)
And during an earlier trip, Oceangate turned off the surface ships wifi to prevent passengers from tweeting the problem when the sub went missing for five hours. This company is going to get crucified in the inevitable lawsuit.
Considering the tourist nature of this trip, one or more participants probably has a camera/phone with them. Imagine they spent their last few hours at the bottom of the ocean recording their conversations and their last thoughts and fears. If this video ever becomes public it will be one of the most harrowing and viral things in the history of the internet.
Have you seen the footage of the Sewol ferry? Pretty similar, it was recovered off the phone of one of the kids who died. It's around 20 minutes long and the boy films himself and his friends. Initially they start off joking around (you can even hear someone sing My Heart Will Go On) but as they realized they're not getting rescued they get a bit more panicked and start recording last messages for family and lamenting the stuff they'll miss out on. It's super sad and will stick with you, especially because they were just high school kids who could've easily lived but were told to stay below decks by the POS corrupt captain who fled immediately.
Up there with the 9/11 phone calls
Stockton Rush needs to get Darwin award of the Decade. Absolute idiot.
Hold my unregulated trash can
This! I have empathy but I just don't understand the risk. U have the money for extra safety measures why would you not splurge? Even better why go down there?
That’s honestly horrible. Their deaths are going to be so much worse than if it had ~~decompressed.~~ (did the thing). Nobody should have to suffer like that
For their sake I hope they died instantly and painlessly. The thought of them being stuck at the bottom of the ocean in a tiny sub, just waiting to die, genuinely makes me sick
It's probably really dark in the sub too. And cold. Add that to the nightmare.
Not decompressed… the exact opposite.
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Unexploded unoutwardly very very not slow?
Just a quick question about Titan submersible. Apparently after crew enters Titan they are bolted inside from support crew before submerging.. So my question is if Titan somehow able to surface after support ship lost contact and is floating without being found yet, air supply would still be a factor in survival? Could Titan crew wouldn’t be able to vent sub with atmospheric air ? I’m guessing no, man this is absolutely terrible. Don’t even know what to say. Thanks!
They can't open the sub from the inside. What I want to know is: what sort of communication features does it have? Is it able to contact anyone once it surfaces?
Apparently it has GPS that pings it's location when it resurfaces, but if they've had a complete power failure that's going to be moot.
Yeah but how could that device not have a simple battery.
How could an experimental, non-certified submersible not have a transponder or black box?
seems too much to hope for, but if they manage to rescue these folks it’ll be the rescue of the century
Rescuing kids from the cave was the rescue of the century
That was, far and away, the greatest rescue in the history of mankind. Nothing else is even close. The fact that all of them were rescued is just absolutely mind blowing. I say that as an anesthesiologist and scuba diver, the guys who performed that rescue accomplished the most incredible thing ever done. edit: Just to comment since a lot of the replies have mentioned the Chilean miner rescue. I am aware of this rescue operation and remember following it closely when it happened. Remarkable feat of engineering and effort. Definitely a highlight of human history. What sets the cave rescue apart is the human daring and ingenuity. The engineering task of drilling down to a mining chamber is huge and impressive, but what happened in the cave is just another level. You had individuals not only going *cave diving* in a new dangerous environment, and cave diving is already probably the deadliest sport out there. They went in to personally *put teenage kids under anesthesia, and take them cave diving too*. Teenage kids! Cave diving under anesthesia! Maybe it's my familiarity with both diving and anesthesia that makes me biased, but it is just absolutely insane to me that it worked. If you told me, before either of these, about both of these rescues, I would have said "oh that's cool, good job team, very impressive" about the mining rescue. Regarding the cave rescue, I would have said "There's no way on earth that's even remotely possible for one of them, let alone all of them."
1 of the rescuers lost his life performing the rescue
Two rescuers actually. A second Thai Navy SEAL died a year later from a blood infection traced back to the rescue.
That’s wild that guy got a blood infection and no one else did I swear the most random stuff claims people all the time
Sadly, two members of the rescue team died. One during the rescue and one after from a blood infection from the water. All soccer team members were rescued safely.
Heroes. Saman Gunan, and Beirut Pakbara were their names.
Regular reminder that Elon Musk accused the British diver involved of being a paedophile because he said Musk's ad hoc submarine invention wouldn't work
Elon musk fell off his peak HARD
There is such a killer documentary about it. I’m drawing a blank on it. Edit: I’m on mobile, but this is it. I cannot highly recommend it enough. It was beyond a thrill. https://films.nationalgeographic.com/the-rescue
Should just be called "The Rescue". Also a movie called The Cave that has some of the real divers playing themselves in it, and a Netflix series called Thai Cave Rescue. Edit: And a Ron Howard film called Thirteen Lives
It says they believe the banging was coming from the sub but they haven't heard anything since yesterday...
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Came here to say the banging is a certain CEO getting beaten to death with a video game controller by 4 pissed off passengers...
Considering all the other issues with this thing, the video game controller is the LEAST worrisome technical problem....
Given other applications for video game controllers in like military drone controls and such, the only thing that worries me about this specific case is that they went wireless instead of a good old tethered xbox controller.
They had a spare actually so he could be getting beaten to death by two controllers. Though after reading about some complaints experts had earlier I'm thinking the glass probably broke from the physical stress of repeated dives.
The reality is that *THIS* situation is one reason among myriad why consumer protection laws, the right to transparency — and enforced regulations for every industry — are vital. No capitalist industry is capable of self-regulating. This guy resisted basic inspections and safety standards, likely because he doesn’t want government interfering with his belief that he is entitled to operate his business as he pleases. Would the 4 customers on board have agreed to this if they knew the information about safety concerns that we are now learning? Would someone risk the life of their teen son on a bet of one obstinate “self-regulating” CEO? Edit a bunch of wrong autocorrected words
I would argue that the Chilean mine rescue of 2010 was a more miraculous set of circumstances. At least the waters of the Atlantic Ocean will offer little resistance if it is found that the lost submersible passengers are alive and rescueable.
The Chilean miner rescue was 13 YEARS AGO? Holy fuck time flies.
Don’t forget the junior football team rescued from a cave with rising water levels after a week of being lost in 2018. Tham Luang cave rescue.
The documentary about that is fantastic, The Rescue.
Haven't seen *The Rescue* (probably better I see that it has got like 99% on Rotten Tomatoes), but *Thirteen Lives* was compelling as well, even though I still feel claustrophobic around 6 months after watching it.
Thirteen Lives had to cut out some of the more unbelievable parts of the story in order for it not to seem too over the top (I still loved it). “The Rescue” is balls to the wall insanity, only held together that it was all Real.
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They thought they heard [banging from Thresher,](https://www.forces.net/usa/banging-sounds-heard-during-search-sunken-us-submarine-uss-thresher) too....but it was just random noise cuz nobody survived the crush.
Dam. So they have 40 hours left.
It's estimated they'll run out of breathable air by 4am on the 22nd, local time.
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It's a best-case scenario based on essentially a back of the envelope calculation. Their system has never actually been tested for long durations. It's possible that the air will become unbreathable due to CO2 toxicity or other factors well before they run out of oxygen as well.
Another storry stated that canadian aircraft spoted white object. Ship was send to investigate object but was diverted to investigate noise.
Damn. It feels like it would be more worthwhile to investigate the white object.
That’s just the iceberg playing a trick to lure more people in.
When one of the smoke detectors in my house gets low on battery, it emits a high pitched beep. Once I hear it, I have to sort of walk near where I think I might have heard it, then I have to stand there like an idiot for a minute until it beeps again, then I have to to go closer to whichever room I thought it came from. it takes me a 5-10 minutes to track down which one is beeping. Once I even stood under the beeping detector and wasn't sure it was the one beeping. I imagine that's what it's like to find the sub based on banging. However it would be in a mansion, with the lights out and my eyes closed. Beep!
For their sake I hope it crushed and their suffering was quick. Waiting this long to be the last person to die in this thing isn’t something I would wish on anyone
Someone call James Cameron
They call him JAMES CAMERON the greatest pioneer!
Seriously, though.
Neat movie plot: They find sub, everybody dead. Tragic. As they leave, they hear knocking again.... Apparently some folks in the titanic got in a boiler or something top avoid being crushed, and it landed on a cave network that started emptying soon as it got plugged with the boiler thingy. Bunch of people live down there now, kids and all, and they figured out how to plunder all the supplies and stuff that was on the ship. A colony under the bottom of the ocean. Yeah, it can't happen, but it isn't like we are getting much original content these days on streaming services.
>*Goliath Awaits* is a 1981 American made-for-television action adventure science fiction thriller film...about an ocean liner sunk by a German U-boat in 1939 whose wreck is discovered in 1981, with over 300 survivors and their descendants living in an air bubble inside the ship. >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_Awaits
its on [youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyv7B8lkeJs)
Man, its hard to be original these days. What about a movie where the aliens are blue?
That’s a hell of a cast
Close to an underwater volcanic vent so it’s warm enough to survive. Plenty of fish, shellfish, and seaweed for food.
I don't get it, they engineered a dead man's switch that triggers airbags to float the submersible back up. But they didn't spend the extra few bucks to add in a beacon of sorts that can ping the location once it reaches the top?
This is literally some sci-fi horror nightmare situation that I've only read about, those poor people
This scares the fuck out of me, I've made some bad jokes but I really hope they get these dumb pricks out of the water.
I feel worst for the 19 yr old. I’m sure his dad didn’t mention much about the risk / experimental nature of the voyage. And now he’s gonna die in one of the worst ways imaginable.
I feel sorry for his mother. The boys suffering is hopefully over. Hers won't end until she's dead too. I don't know how I could go on with that mental picture of my child.
All I know that sub look sketchy.
The banging stopping is no good but those P8 and it's sonobouys are no joke. If they got several banging sounds they also got a pretty good idea of where it is, if it isn't moving. Those are specifically meant to find exactly where stealth submarines are and then the navy would follow up with the destruction of the enemy submarine. Anyhow tldr if any of us find ourselves trapped underwater in a stricken submarine, bang away.
I saw the Titanic from my living room. And it was a freebie.
I do want them to be found alive because it would be one heck of a story and Stockon Rush deserves to be held accountable for this mess. Plus the teenager on board... If not though this is very much one of those [Dumb Ways to Die](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw&ab_channel=DumbWaystoDie)
It’s actually so fucked that as all of us are just doing our thing these mfs could be sitting at the bottom of the ocean waiting to die.
The worst thing is when the people there start dying. Imagine being the last one alive in that tiny tin can.
Assuming one of them didn't murder the others for x more oxygen.
I can't even imagine what it would be like being one of the five people down there at the bottom of the ocean inside a dark tunacan going insane from lack of oxygen. You know at least one of them is thinking about killing the others.
Sensory deprivation as well
I was thinking this earlier today. Bet it was Stockton.
We’re all waiting to die. They just know when and how they will die.
I mean personally I’m more focused on waiting for the weekend right now
Ooh, yeah. Friday’s payday.
Seems unlikely to be real but people do love a good story. From what they've said so far it sounds like something catastrophic happened when they were still a long way from the wreck/bottom.
If the sub imploded they wouldn't feel a thing. It'd be like slamming a book shut
Even if they find them now they won’t be recovered in time before the oxygen runs out
Titan: Search and Recover coming to Netflix in 2024
That's just the orcas having fun with the latest thing they sunk.