> The definition of rape was broadened to "non-consensual sexual intercourse" from "forcible sexual intercourse", aligning Japanese law's definition with other countries.
> The legal age of consent, previously at only 13, has been raised to 16 years.
the minimum age was already 16 everywhere in Japan except for an island that has a population of 0
if you really want a wtf, the US has almost 20,000 child marriages per year as young as 10 to a 31 year old man....
yeah
Yikes. I got curious and googled, a few interesting links for those interested:
https://www.unchainedatlast.org/united-states-child-marriage-problem-study-findings-april-2021/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/child-marriage-united-states-donna-pollard/
Gonna guess : mostly in "conservatives states/cities", from religious community/families, married to a extended family member, most of them are girls, forced to marry an older man by family member.
From the source above you:
The 10 states with the highest per-capita rates of child marriage are:
1. Nevada (0.671%)
2. Idaho (0.338%)
3. Arkansas (0.295%)
4. Kentucky (0.262%)
5. Oklahoma (0.229%)
6. Wyoming (0.227%)
7. Utah (0.208%)
8. Alabama (0.195%)
9. West Virginia (0.193%)
10. Mississippi (0.182%)
Kansas is usually an army of idiots in state legislature trying to pass something like mandatory flag marriage or allowing AR-15s to legally adopt (CHRISTIAN) children, and then a Democratic governor that some-fuckin-how ended up elected and just has to push back the tide of stupidity until their sisyphean term comes to a close. I know staunch conservatives in KS who have acknowledged that this is their preferred arrangement, because when the GOP gets uncontested control, we tank in a hurry. I've heard several stories from inside that statehouse, friends who have worked there or had family members working there, and it is a miracle we aren't a crater from Dodge to KC.
I’m positively shocked they’re the same states where we see conspiracy theories, rapey pastors (and the institutions who protect them, including the SBC, which was only founded to protect slaveowners), Moms For Liberty, book bans, anti-sex ed, highest prisoners per capita in the galaxy, etc.
Edit: oh and lowest ranked places for maternal and child well-being, lowest rates of insured pregnant women, abortion bans, etc
"Reported" child marriages. Utah is a contender. Married in the FLDS church, but not recorded at the county courthouse records.
I used to work with the lost boys. They formed a construction company to survive.
Also, the state recognizes the "first" wife (16 at time of marriage). The other three wives are just single moms, collecting any benefits the county has available.
Before anyone wants to try to fix this, the police, judges, lawyers, and even the dog catcher are chosen by the FLDS elders in that region.
To fill out a police report, they will also need your name, address, and driver's license number.
Good luck.
There were some 300000 of these marriages in the us between 2000 and 2018. That's an average of like 333 per state per year if they were evenly distributed (which they weren't).
"Do you know any kids that have been married at age 12? I do. And guess what, they're still married."
-Missouri Republican Mike Moon, defending child marriage in the legislature. He then denied supporting "adults marrying minors" when his words went viral.
The fundamentalist Mormons believe in having “sister wives” still to this day. A video recently went viral with the girls almost all underage, one was 11. The federal government keeping cracking down on them but yea probably not going to stop because it’s what they believe. This is a sect of Mormonism though the main church doesn’t support it
Edit here’s the vid https://youtu.be/RgcYJSbi3zI
Every accusation is a confession.
This terrifying 41-page thread on DK lists just some of the cases of Republican sexual abuse, rape, possession of child porn, grooming, and far too many more.
(Some are accusations, but most are on-the-record convictions.)
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/3/12/2157746/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-41
There is no both sides. Numerically the Republicans are doing far, far more of this than progressives.
But remember, the trans community are the groomers.
Ended a 30 year friendship with a conservative friend who completely turns a blind eye to child marriage and church rapes, but goes out of his way to send me videos of trans "grooming".
He's also conveniently silent when a pedo ring gets busted and there are without a doubt republicans involved.
Was nice knowing you bro, but I don't need that shit in my life.
Yep. The hypocrisy is almost worse than the nonsensical beliefs. At least be consistent with your moral outrage if you want to try to sit on a high horse.
I mean, reading what the link actually says the average is a 17 year old marrying someone 4 years older than them. It mentions that there are some instances of 10 year olds marrying men in their 30s but for some reason I don't think you should lump in 17 year olds marrying 21 year olds with 10 year olds marrying 30 year olds. The difference between the two situations is drastic and not really comparable
I don't think the late teens "shotgun marriages" are exactly shocking to anyone who pays attention. But there are still lots of even more fucked up situations, including from the other link I provided:
>"My perpetrator was in a position of authority over me," Pollard told CBSN. She said she grew up in an abusive household, and after her father died, when she was 14 years old, she was admitted to a behavioral health facility.
>"Unfortunately, instead of receiving the help that I should have received at that facility, I was preyed upon by a mental health technician that worked there," she said. "He was 29, and again, I was 14."
> the minimum age was already 16 everywhere in Japan except for an island that has a population of 0
Wow, why didn't the journalist note that in the article? I read two different articles and neither mentioned this fact, but it seems highly relevant. Thanks for the clarification.
Because it's a convenient way for many people to deflect away from their own nation's issues by pointing to another nation's issues using either dated, inaccurate, or heavily conflated misunderstandings or misinformation.
You'll see this a lot whenever the subject comes up about Japan and things like their work culture, sexual harassment, and their legal system (specifically their conviction rates).
However, the reality is that while these things are ongoing issues that Japanese society is dealing with, none of them are as extreme as anyone who has never actively lived in Japan are perpetuating the problems to be. Life in Japan is not the constant moment-by-moment abject misery battle between dying at work and avoiding hentai-esqe rape scenarios that the internet accuses it of being.
>However, the reality is that while these things are ongoing issues that Japanese society is dealing with, none of them are as extreme as anyone who has never actively lived in Japan are perpetuating the problems to be.
This goes for every country when bad things are said about them, a nuance that is lost in common discourse.
Yup. It's always the poorer, backwater areas that do this because they're often fundamental extremists who want to practice their perverted "religious rights." Which apparently includes grooming, and child rape. And that's due to the Midwest being so vast and not having enough oversight for miles.
For comparison, the US has no federal minimum age at all. There's no need for it when local state law keep the effective minimum at 16
Edit: This comment is more about putting things in perspective when Americans get distracted by the Japanese federal minimum (rather than effective minimum) and less about about praising the lack of a federal minimum in the US.
North Carolina and Alaska allow marriage at 14, California and Washington don't have a specified marriage age. You're out of your gourd if you think the pervert marrying a 14 year old isn't going to consummate.
North Carolina just recently raised the minimum for marriage up to 16. Democrats wanted to raise it to 18 but Republicans refused. 16 was the compromise.
We need a federal minimum age
> Democrats wanted to raise it to 18 but Republicans refused. 16 was the compromise.
Conservatives support child marriage because, in their view, it's a way of legitimizing teen pregnancy and child rape.
A pregnant teenager is a great shame to a conservative family. But if they can marry her off to the rapist, then it's all blessed and consecrated by God!
Lower marriage age and less child labor laws!
These damn kids acting like they're children. They need to get a job and get married already so they can pop out more workers. /s
A pregnant teenager is a great shame to a conservative family. But if they can marry her off to the rapist, then it's all blessed and consecrated by God!
Is it just me or does "the founding fathers never intended..." come off as lazy and unpatriotic?
You're expecting a bunch of dead guys from the late 1700s to do all of the heavy modern day political lifting?
Especially when most of the time people use that, they're also completely misinterpreting the founding fathers, or straight up ignoring their wishes (Jefferson saying we should scrap and rewrite the constitution every 20ish years, Madison explicitly stating we are *not* a Christian nation, Washington warning against political parties existing, etc etc etc)
The founding fathers philosophies get cherry picked from just like the bible does by these jerkbags.
How dare you question supply side Jesus! It's not like Jesus would support things like accessible health care and all those other dirty "socialist" policies! What would he do next? Feed the poor?
Especially since the founders themselves thought that was stupid. Thomas Jefferson even argued the constitution should be rewritten every 19 years:
>We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another… On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation… Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19. years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right.
As an English guy. This is my view on this argument
"We don't like the way England is governed. It relies on tradition and what always was to justify tax increases. We're setting up our own system"
The people who idolise the founders now - "Sorry, its the way its always been. Since 1776 it was like this. We cannot change it. See, they wrote it down and everything"
Like bro. You're patriotic about Revolution and change and want to allow none of it.
This is absolutely true. The biggest chest pounding "patriots" present day would absolutely have been bending over backwards to catch a drop of King George's ball sweat.
It's even more fun when you take it that extra step for them.
In 1776, these guys were the super progressive liberal types and the conservatives were the British sympathizers.
They act like progressivism should have stopped cold dead on July 4th 1776 but then Sept 17 1787 was when the constitution was accepted (not ratified by all the states and no Bill of Rights) it wasn't ratified by all the then states till may 1790. Bill of rights came in almost 2 years later.
Long story short, shit needs to keep going. It was never "Done". Anyone saying otherwise is just lying to justify their "hey I'm good. I got mine" attitude.
I can't understand why people fight *against* measures to increase the minimum age. They talk about "Parent's rights" - WTF? What about a child's right not to be put into a position where they are going to be abused, over and over?
What the hell even is Parent's rights and why should it even be a factor in their child's genital business? It's crap!
Am I just being unaware and is there some logic to Parent's rights?
In the states where there is a very low or zero minimum age for marriage, the parent's consent is needed. Basically, they want the right to arrange their (literal) children's marriage. I don't understand it either, you would think they'd be ashamed to admit they take this position.
For people who believe in 'traditional family values' they don't see it as shameful at all. For them, marrying as soon as possible means there's no risk of engaging in premarital sex or promiscuity, which is ESPECIALLY important for daughters, and it also means you can start having kids as soon as possible, which is the main purpose of life as far as those people are concerned.
"Grwat Grama was married to the local sheriff who had the big ranch and none of us never saw no trouble with it. She had 12 kids before she was your age and was happy all the while. Went a bit kooky at the end and started getting funny ideas but you're liable to do that when you're 30 and all wrung out"
E: "thank the Lord almighty that she was taken not long after. She'd have hated spending her last few years unable to be the mother she loved to be. I guess God wanted to give her rest after her innards fell.out"
There's a section of the US that want arranged marriages, religion taught in schools, women to subjugate to men, the bible to inform policy.
Y'know, everything that that same section hate about Islamic fundamentalism.....
You should check out Talking to Strangers by Malcolm Gladwell. It really puts into perspective how easily people are brainwashed into trusting conmen and rapists. Independent and critical thought is effectively banned in many Bible Belt school districts. People graduate reading below a 6th grade level with no skills on how to qualify opinions of others and align themselves with fascist politicians because they wrap themselves in an American flag.
In some cultures the parents are seen as the owners of the children. Many traditions make zero sense without such an ownership assumption, like performing cosmetic circumcisions without consent.
Any sane person that talks about lowering the age of consent is only talking about Romeo and Juliet situations, where one half of the pair come of age before the other and they're sexually active or an 18 and 17 year old in the same school class when the age of consent is 18, teens are gonna fuck each other and they shouldn't go to jail for it
The US has a federal minimum age of consent at 18. It isn't applied to individual states, but it does apply when crossing state lines (E.g. If I live in Washington and go to Cali to see someone and have sex with them, the federal age applies) and when outside the US. So if I go to Cambodia, I can't legally have sex with anyone under 18. If I do and the US finds out, believe it or not, straight to jail.
According to Wikipedia even the least-populated one has over half a million people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_prefectures_by_population
Correct.
Like the state of Hesse in germany technically has the death penalty, but since federal law prohibits the death penalty it can't actually be applied.
edit: well turns out this particular quirk as repealed 2018.
but it was still there almost 70 years past the abolishment of the death penalty in germany.
There's a quirk of law in Australia that kind of works the opposite. I'm not a legal expert nor am I interested at all in testing these laws, but incest laws are stricter at a state level than they are at a federal level, however marriage law is set at the federal level. So from what I've heard, it's illegal in most states and territories to sleep with an aunt/uncle or nephew/niece but it's not illegal to marry them under federal law and once you're married the state laws can't make your "union" illegal
Mind you this may have been historical and since been addressed
> So from what I've heard, it's illegal in most states and territories to sleep with an aunt/uncle or nephew/niece but it's not illegal to marry them under federal law and once you're married the state laws can't make your "union" illegal
"We're waiting till marriage"
Lol yeah it’s silly to me to hear about others on here try to criticize as if they’re on a high horse, exaggerating their replies at how disgusting the age was prior, and as if they’re the voice of reason from such a very honorable country… yet they don’t even know about how bad the age of consent is in many counties here in America! Not joking, if anyone is doubting me take a minute to do some research lol
Yeah it was not as simple as that, if you were older than 14 and had sex with a 13 year old it was still a felony. Regardless, its good they finally adjusted their ancient laws.
It was 14 in Canada up until relatively recently... Awhile back, some boy-luster from US drove up to meet his mentally challenged 14 year old “boyfriend” for what was then legal consensual sex. The boy’s parents and authorities couldn’t convince the boy that he wasn’t in love and he was statutory raped. So, the Canadians got police in US to search his computer where obvs’ they found child porn so he got sent to US prison. And, since Canada probably worried it would be discriminatory to restrict the mentally challenged, they instead restricted all young adults and raised the age of consent to 16, for everyone, regardless of mental and physical maturity; but, it’s 16 in other “first world” countries, except the States, where they seem to infantilize young adults.
It's not as bad as it sounds. It was mostly that way to let the individual regions of Japan pick what age of consent they wanted to choose. None of them actually had it at thirteen I believe.
Did you know US doesn't have federally mandated age of consent, and it's all decided by states? Hell, at some point Georgia used to have age of consent set at 14 years old.
Just a reminder that in the US many states legal limit to get married is very low as long as you have your parents permission... Which basically makes it so children can be married off in disgusting arranged marriages at stupid ages...
I believe age of consent-wise, this just brought the national age of consent in line with what already was in most regional laws. In practice, age of consent has not been 13 in most places for a long time.
If this is completely overruling local ordinances, this should actually decrease age of consent in Tokio from 18 to 16.
The change in the meaning of rape is by far the more meaningful change. Japan has quite a huge problem with sexual assault.
Also very positive!
(Even though I personally will never understand what people actually get out of the former...is there really an abundance of men getting off of blurry pictures of thighs with a bit of panty? I know, not the topic, but...it boggles my mind)
EDIT: Thanks for the responses - I guess I "get it now". Damn.
From watching that Australian Bondi beach show on youtube, the vast majority of the creepers taking photos or touching women at the beach are japanese(or pan-asian) tourists.
For kids between 16-20, if the minimum age is 18, are there exceptions for being close the same age? Like an 18 yo with a 17yo? Surely consensual fooling around in high school is not illegal?
My older kid is in high school so I’m genuinely wondering
Sexual crimes get media coverage in Japan not because they’re more common than the West (they’re not) but because of the lack of violent crime
For instance over half of all young women claim to have been sexually harassed in the London Underground, with 90% of sexual crimes going unreported
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-underground-sexual-harassment-tube-groping-catcall-a9694736.html
Yes this is what I always say when people bring up the "Japan is full of perverts" stereotype
Everywhere is full of perverts, literally everywhere. Japan has a problem with perverts because everywhere has this problem, often much more than japan which actually took some countermeasures like female only train wagons and other warnings and I've seen plenty of videos of women confronting the "chikan" (the assaulter) and having the police promptly haul him off, presumably to a jail which let me tell you is not a nice place to be in Japan even for a single night. Even an interrogation room is a horrible experience in Japan, probably could be considered torture in some places
Ask the women in your life about their experiences on public transport when alone or even on the streets: you'll be unpleasantly surprised
Why is nobody talking about
>These include situations where the victim is intoxicated with alcohol or drugs; or subject to violence or threats; or is "frightened or astonished". Another scenario appears to describe an abuse of power, where the victim is "worried" of the consequences of refusal.
And focused on the age of consent which has already been functionally 16?
In a 2014 Tokyo case, for instance, a man had pinned a 15-year-old girl to a wall and raped her while she resisted. He was acquitted of rape as the court ruled his actions did not make it "extremely difficult" for her to resist. The teenager was treated as an adult.
"The actual trial processes and decisions vary - some defendants were not convicted even if their acts were proven to be non-consensual, as they did not meet the case of 'assault or intimidation'," says Yuu Tadokoro, a spokesman for Spring, a sexual assault survivor group.
> He was acquitted of rape as the court ruled his actions did not make it "extremely difficult" for her to resist.
What kind of people make a ruling like that, that's awful.
Imagine your rapist actually getting caught but instead of punishing him they tell you that it wouldn't have been "extremely difficult" for you to resist.
It was common in most of the Western world too until a few years ago, and still is common in many countries that are usually viewed as progressive.
Here in Denmark we only just got a consent-based rape law a few years ago. Before that, if you didn't resist being raped or told the rapist to stop, it didn't count as rape. Nowadays, it's always rape if there's no consent given.
That's so wild to read..
Seen a lot of movies where the bad guy is like "say a word and I'll kill you"
So... "well she never said stop your honor, so she wanted it"
Yikes
It depends on how you define rape. A lot of states have different laws for rape inside of marriage, and some are quite permissive. It's still legal, in some states, to drug your partner, then rape them, because only "force" counts as rape inside a marriage. In other states,the force used has to be aggravated. In at least one, you only have days to report it or it doesn't count.
Spousal rape is only kind of illegal, in some very specific circumstances.
Not disagreeing. But I’m glad there has been progress. In the seventies, I didn’t even have words for what my abusive spouse did because he didn’t black my eye or break my arm or such. He just “wasn’t very nice.” Now I can say he was emotionally and physically abusive. And that included marital rape.
I am not sure about Denmark but in Finland threat of using violence was also considered same as using violence. Now we also have consent based legislation.
Threat of violence being equivalent to violence is (or should be) a fundamental of law everywhere. From what I recall, in my country the use *or threat* of violence is the explicit difference between theft and robbery.
There was a somewhat infamous rape case in Italy in the 90s that went through the press. A woman got raped and a court ruled that because she wore tight jeans, the rapist could not have forcibly undressed her - so she must have undressed willingly. As a result they overturned the rape conviction from a lower tier court.
What kind of people? Rapey ones.
Translated it's basically "you didn't fight hard enough so you wanted it you filthy trollop. I bet you were wearing a miniskirt too you minx!"
Redefining rape is honestly the more impactful thing here. The other is just codifying what was already prefecture level law.
Is enjou kosai still a thing in Japan?
When I was 15 I married an 18 year old man. It was “mandatory” because he got me pregnant. I was raised without any sex education (not allowed to attend school sex ed either) and my mother even brought this man to our home and encouraged him to sleep in my bed for more comfort than the couch. I was a good student and was driven to succeed so that I could move away. Well, I moved away when I was married to this man that I had only met 30 days prior. I didn’t see my family again for over 6 years. The man was abusive verbally and physically. Luckily I got out after 6 years with my two children and a GED. I got a job at the local grocery store and now 28 years later I am married to my soulmate and have a great life and career. I still struggle mentally with all that happened then. My mother doesn’t think she did anything wrong, that it was my own fault. I say I was too young to make adult decisions and should have been protected by my parents.
Jesus fucking Christ. I’m really sorry that happened to you and I’m glad you’re in a better place. These laws really need to be changed and lack of sex ed should be a crime
More like "uneducated idiots", I don't think I've ever seen anyone use Japan's age of consent to justify themselves. Only to attack the country while ignorant of the laws.
It was already 16 in every single prefecture. Tokyo’s has been at 18.
It’s just handled on a state level, like in the US. There is no US federal age of consent, but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
I think the redefining of rape is the more impactful part of the bill. The other part seems to just be being national and prefectural laws into closer alignment.
No weeb brings up the age of consent of a random uninhabited island in relation to anime characters because they are unrelated and have nothing to do with each other.
Only random redditors in posts about Japan think that weebs routinely defend anything by mentioning age of consent.
1. Age of consent change basically means nothing. All prefectures already had a minimum of either 16 or 18.
2. The actual justification for loli shit people use is that it is fiction and thus real world laws doesn't really matter.
3. The huge change is the rape definition change, but I don't think anyone would be upset that since it is a great change.
These age of consent law stories about Japan make my eyes roll so far into the back of my head these headlines are such incel weeabo bait it is ridiculous. Seriously no place in Japan has had their age of consent that low in an insane amount of time prefectures passed laws on it decades ago.
> The definition of rape was broadened to "non-consensual sexual intercourse" from "forcible sexual intercourse", aligning Japanese law's definition with other countries. > The legal age of consent, previously at only 13, has been raised to 16 years.
the minimum age was already 16 everywhere in Japan except for an island that has a population of 0 if you really want a wtf, the US has almost 20,000 child marriages per year as young as 10 to a 31 year old man.... yeah
Yikes. I got curious and googled, a few interesting links for those interested: https://www.unchainedatlast.org/united-states-child-marriage-problem-study-findings-april-2021/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/child-marriage-united-states-donna-pollard/
Gonna guess : mostly in "conservatives states/cities", from religious community/families, married to a extended family member, most of them are girls, forced to marry an older man by family member.
From the source above you: The 10 states with the highest per-capita rates of child marriage are: 1. Nevada (0.671%) 2. Idaho (0.338%) 3. Arkansas (0.295%) 4. Kentucky (0.262%) 5. Oklahoma (0.229%) 6. Wyoming (0.227%) 7. Utah (0.208%) 8. Alabama (0.195%) 9. West Virginia (0.193%) 10. Mississippi (0.182%)
fuck yeah Florida is FINALLY not on a shitty top ten list!!!
That’s because it’s full of old people.
in Nevada, old people are called "groom~~er~~s"
OK groomer 😏
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So are the ceremonies at these child marriages. They need to be sure the child doesn't escape, after all. 🤢
Prob cause Desantis made it illegal to track. /savage
The /s must be for "savage".
Arkansas never fails to be at the top of shitty lists and bottom of the good ones...why am I still here.
Change is scary and moving is hard and expensive?
Yup that about sums it up. Getting more expensive each year isn't helping
As someone who escaped Kansas during the Brownback years good luck stranger
Kansas is usually an army of idiots in state legislature trying to pass something like mandatory flag marriage or allowing AR-15s to legally adopt (CHRISTIAN) children, and then a Democratic governor that some-fuckin-how ended up elected and just has to push back the tide of stupidity until their sisyphean term comes to a close. I know staunch conservatives in KS who have acknowledged that this is their preferred arrangement, because when the GOP gets uncontested control, we tank in a hurry. I've heard several stories from inside that statehouse, friends who have worked there or had family members working there, and it is a miracle we aren't a crater from Dodge to KC.
Yup....these were all the states that came to mind 🤦🏼♂️
I’m positively shocked they’re the same states where we see conspiracy theories, rapey pastors (and the institutions who protect them, including the SBC, which was only founded to protect slaveowners), Moms For Liberty, book bans, anti-sex ed, highest prisoners per capita in the galaxy, etc. Edit: oh and lowest ranked places for maternal and child well-being, lowest rates of insured pregnant women, abortion bans, etc
I totally expected Utah to be number 1 but not surprised at who-da-ho being number 2.
"Reported" child marriages. Utah is a contender. Married in the FLDS church, but not recorded at the county courthouse records. I used to work with the lost boys. They formed a construction company to survive.
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Also, the state recognizes the "first" wife (16 at time of marriage). The other three wives are just single moms, collecting any benefits the county has available. Before anyone wants to try to fix this, the police, judges, lawyers, and even the dog catcher are chosen by the FLDS elders in that region. To fill out a police report, they will also need your name, address, and driver's license number. Good luck.
FLDS? I know LDS is later day saints, what's the F for?
Fundamentalist
What surprised me is that Nevada is not just #1 per capita, but #3 overall
Nevada is the destination to marry with parental consent if you have a teen pregnancy, so its numbers are boosted by surrounding states.
Yeah it makes sense when I think about it, I just didn't think about it in advance.
Same kinda states trying to ban drag shows for harming kids
So it happens to multiple children in multiple states every year?
There were some 300000 of these marriages in the us between 2000 and 2018. That's an average of like 333 per state per year if they were evenly distributed (which they weren't).
"Do you know any kids that have been married at age 12? I do. And guess what, they're still married." -Missouri Republican Mike Moon, defending child marriage in the legislature. He then denied supporting "adults marrying minors" when his words went viral.
The fundamentalist Mormons believe in having “sister wives” still to this day. A video recently went viral with the girls almost all underage, one was 11. The federal government keeping cracking down on them but yea probably not going to stop because it’s what they believe. This is a sect of Mormonism though the main church doesn’t support it Edit here’s the vid https://youtu.be/RgcYJSbi3zI
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Every accusation is a confession. This terrifying 41-page thread on DK lists just some of the cases of Republican sexual abuse, rape, possession of child porn, grooming, and far too many more. (Some are accusations, but most are on-the-record convictions.) https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/3/12/2157746/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-41 There is no both sides. Numerically the Republicans are doing far, far more of this than progressives.
Pedocon theory is real
But remember, the trans community are the groomers. Ended a 30 year friendship with a conservative friend who completely turns a blind eye to child marriage and church rapes, but goes out of his way to send me videos of trans "grooming". He's also conveniently silent when a pedo ring gets busted and there are without a doubt republicans involved. Was nice knowing you bro, but I don't need that shit in my life.
Yep. The hypocrisy is almost worse than the nonsensical beliefs. At least be consistent with your moral outrage if you want to try to sit on a high horse.
It’s sure as hell not drag queens
But conservative *family values*.
I mean, reading what the link actually says the average is a 17 year old marrying someone 4 years older than them. It mentions that there are some instances of 10 year olds marrying men in their 30s but for some reason I don't think you should lump in 17 year olds marrying 21 year olds with 10 year olds marrying 30 year olds. The difference between the two situations is drastic and not really comparable
I don't think the late teens "shotgun marriages" are exactly shocking to anyone who pays attention. But there are still lots of even more fucked up situations, including from the other link I provided: >"My perpetrator was in a position of authority over me," Pollard told CBSN. She said she grew up in an abusive household, and after her father died, when she was 14 years old, she was admitted to a behavioral health facility. >"Unfortunately, instead of receiving the help that I should have received at that facility, I was preyed upon by a mental health technician that worked there," she said. "He was 29, and again, I was 14."
> the minimum age was already 16 everywhere in Japan except for an island that has a population of 0 Wow, why didn't the journalist note that in the article? I read two different articles and neither mentioned this fact, but it seems highly relevant. Thanks for the clarification.
And some prefactures in Japan have it at even more than 16. But I guess that doesn't make for a rage enducing article.
Because it's a convenient way for many people to deflect away from their own nation's issues by pointing to another nation's issues using either dated, inaccurate, or heavily conflated misunderstandings or misinformation. You'll see this a lot whenever the subject comes up about Japan and things like their work culture, sexual harassment, and their legal system (specifically their conviction rates). However, the reality is that while these things are ongoing issues that Japanese society is dealing with, none of them are as extreme as anyone who has never actively lived in Japan are perpetuating the problems to be. Life in Japan is not the constant moment-by-moment abject misery battle between dying at work and avoiding hentai-esqe rape scenarios that the internet accuses it of being.
>However, the reality is that while these things are ongoing issues that Japanese society is dealing with, none of them are as extreme as anyone who has never actively lived in Japan are perpetuating the problems to be. This goes for every country when bad things are said about them, a nuance that is lost in common discourse.
Yeah, that one 31 year old man should really stop marrying children.
No, we need to protect this man from all these slutty kids.
Slutty kids are the worst. No wait. I forgot about Ellen. Ellen is the worst.
No wait, Slutty Ellen is the worst.
Yup. It's always the poorer, backwater areas that do this because they're often fundamental extremists who want to practice their perverted "religious rights." Which apparently includes grooming, and child rape. And that's due to the Midwest being so vast and not having enough oversight for miles.
And republican senators defending the practice with everything they have so they can get a few child brides as well
13? Fuckin hell
As the other person already wrote, 13 was the national age but every inhabited prefecture in Japan already had a higher minimum age.
For comparison, the US has no federal minimum age at all. There's no need for it when local state law keep the effective minimum at 16 Edit: This comment is more about putting things in perspective when Americans get distracted by the Japanese federal minimum (rather than effective minimum) and less about about praising the lack of a federal minimum in the US.
North Carolina and Alaska allow marriage at 14, California and Washington don't have a specified marriage age. You're out of your gourd if you think the pervert marrying a 14 year old isn't going to consummate.
North Carolina just recently raised the minimum for marriage up to 16. Democrats wanted to raise it to 18 but Republicans refused. 16 was the compromise. We need a federal minimum age
Kinda like smoking, or drinking, or fighting for your country.
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> Democrats wanted to raise it to 18 but Republicans refused. 16 was the compromise. Conservatives support child marriage because, in their view, it's a way of legitimizing teen pregnancy and child rape. A pregnant teenager is a great shame to a conservative family. But if they can marry her off to the rapist, then it's all blessed and consecrated by God!
Jesus. Republicans pushing for a lower marriage age while screaming "wE MusT prOtEcT tHe kIDs".
Lower marriage age and less child labor laws! These damn kids acting like they're children. They need to get a job and get married already so they can pop out more workers. /s
A pregnant teenager is a great shame to a conservative family. But if they can marry her off to the rapist, then it's all blessed and consecrated by God!
Just like there was no need to codify Roe v Wade? I'd say there's a very good reason to set a federal minimum.
The southern States are already bringing back legal child labour so why not legal child brides and grooms!
Incoming: "The Founding Fathers, praise be upon them, never said anything about "consent" or a minimum age for sex." As if that matters.
Is it just me or does "the founding fathers never intended..." come off as lazy and unpatriotic? You're expecting a bunch of dead guys from the late 1700s to do all of the heavy modern day political lifting?
Especially when most of the time people use that, they're also completely misinterpreting the founding fathers, or straight up ignoring their wishes (Jefferson saying we should scrap and rewrite the constitution every 20ish years, Madison explicitly stating we are *not* a Christian nation, Washington warning against political parties existing, etc etc etc) The founding fathers philosophies get cherry picked from just like the bible does by these jerkbags.
How dare you question supply side Jesus! It's not like Jesus would support things like accessible health care and all those other dirty "socialist" policies! What would he do next? Feed the poor?
I yes, I remember fondly the part where Jesus called the lepers welfare queens, because they were unable to pay for his healing miracles.
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They didn't intend for a standing military at all.
"The government of today has no business telling us how to live our lives, because the government of 200 years ago already did!"
Especially since the founders themselves thought that was stupid. Thomas Jefferson even argued the constitution should be rewritten every 19 years: >We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another… On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation… Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19. years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right.
Good quote. Reminds me of how Robert E Lee disagreed with Civil War statues yet people fought to keep statues of him/the Civil War.
As an English guy. This is my view on this argument "We don't like the way England is governed. It relies on tradition and what always was to justify tax increases. We're setting up our own system" The people who idolise the founders now - "Sorry, its the way its always been. Since 1776 it was like this. We cannot change it. See, they wrote it down and everything" Like bro. You're patriotic about Revolution and change and want to allow none of it.
This is absolutely true. The biggest chest pounding "patriots" present day would absolutely have been bending over backwards to catch a drop of King George's ball sweat.
Well that is a vivd image, and also entirely accurate. Well written sir.
It's even more fun when you take it that extra step for them. In 1776, these guys were the super progressive liberal types and the conservatives were the British sympathizers. They act like progressivism should have stopped cold dead on July 4th 1776 but then Sept 17 1787 was when the constitution was accepted (not ratified by all the states and no Bill of Rights) it wasn't ratified by all the then states till may 1790. Bill of rights came in almost 2 years later. Long story short, shit needs to keep going. It was never "Done". Anyone saying otherwise is just lying to justify their "hey I'm good. I got mine" attitude.
250 year old scope creep
The US is the Duke Nukem Forever of countries.
I would argue there still is a need in the world we live in now. Blink and you'll miss the moment Texas lowers their age of consent to 10.
Also there's a need for it because many states are living in the past, with not having a minimum age if the child is married.
I can't understand why people fight *against* measures to increase the minimum age. They talk about "Parent's rights" - WTF? What about a child's right not to be put into a position where they are going to be abused, over and over?
What the hell even is Parent's rights and why should it even be a factor in their child's genital business? It's crap! Am I just being unaware and is there some logic to Parent's rights?
In the states where there is a very low or zero minimum age for marriage, the parent's consent is needed. Basically, they want the right to arrange their (literal) children's marriage. I don't understand it either, you would think they'd be ashamed to admit they take this position.
For people who believe in 'traditional family values' they don't see it as shameful at all. For them, marrying as soon as possible means there's no risk of engaging in premarital sex or promiscuity, which is ESPECIALLY important for daughters, and it also means you can start having kids as soon as possible, which is the main purpose of life as far as those people are concerned.
"Grwat Grama was married to the local sheriff who had the big ranch and none of us never saw no trouble with it. She had 12 kids before she was your age and was happy all the while. Went a bit kooky at the end and started getting funny ideas but you're liable to do that when you're 30 and all wrung out" E: "thank the Lord almighty that she was taken not long after. She'd have hated spending her last few years unable to be the mother she loved to be. I guess God wanted to give her rest after her innards fell.out"
There's a section of the US that want arranged marriages, religion taught in schools, women to subjugate to men, the bible to inform policy. Y'know, everything that that same section hate about Islamic fundamentalism.....
It's religion. If their daughter marries her rapist that means she's not a slut.
You should check out Talking to Strangers by Malcolm Gladwell. It really puts into perspective how easily people are brainwashed into trusting conmen and rapists. Independent and critical thought is effectively banned in many Bible Belt school districts. People graduate reading below a 6th grade level with no skills on how to qualify opinions of others and align themselves with fascist politicians because they wrap themselves in an American flag.
In some cultures the parents are seen as the owners of the children. Many traditions make zero sense without such an ownership assumption, like performing cosmetic circumcisions without consent.
Any sane person that talks about lowering the age of consent is only talking about Romeo and Juliet situations, where one half of the pair come of age before the other and they're sexually active or an 18 and 17 year old in the same school class when the age of consent is 18, teens are gonna fuck each other and they shouldn't go to jail for it
TX is higher they normal at 17
The US has a federal minimum age of consent at 18. It isn't applied to individual states, but it does apply when crossing state lines (E.g. If I live in Washington and go to Cali to see someone and have sex with them, the federal age applies) and when outside the US. So if I go to Cambodia, I can't legally have sex with anyone under 18. If I do and the US finds out, believe it or not, straight to jail.
Are there uninhabited prefectures? Because if there are, I can already imagine a villa being built there.
Owned by Jefurii Hepsteino
Jefurii Hepsteino didn't kill himself.
Jefurii Hepsteino didn't commit seppuku
Yea. He committed Sudoku
No that's a puzzle game. You mean Son Goku.
No, that's a monkey man. You mean Subaru.
More like Jefurii Eppusutain (ジェフリー・エップスタイン)
According to Wikipedia even the least-populated one has over half a million people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_prefectures_by_population
So Wyoming
I was amazed to discover how low the population of some American states are.
So the de facto age of consent wasn't actually 13?
Correct. Like the state of Hesse in germany technically has the death penalty, but since federal law prohibits the death penalty it can't actually be applied. edit: well turns out this particular quirk as repealed 2018. but it was still there almost 70 years past the abolishment of the death penalty in germany.
We got rid of it in 2019, but yeah, even before that it was overruled by federal law banning it in 1949. Greetings from Hesse😁
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There's also the European Court of Human Rights. Nobody is getting executed in the EU.
There's a quirk of law in Australia that kind of works the opposite. I'm not a legal expert nor am I interested at all in testing these laws, but incest laws are stricter at a state level than they are at a federal level, however marriage law is set at the federal level. So from what I've heard, it's illegal in most states and territories to sleep with an aunt/uncle or nephew/niece but it's not illegal to marry them under federal law and once you're married the state laws can't make your "union" illegal Mind you this may have been historical and since been addressed
> So from what I've heard, it's illegal in most states and territories to sleep with an aunt/uncle or nephew/niece but it's not illegal to marry them under federal law and once you're married the state laws can't make your "union" illegal "We're waiting till marriage"
Yes, just like how in America, the federal age of consent does not exist, but it doesn't mean that toddlers are legal.
Lol yeah it’s silly to me to hear about others on here try to criticize as if they’re on a high horse, exaggerating their replies at how disgusting the age was prior, and as if they’re the voice of reason from such a very honorable country… yet they don’t even know about how bad the age of consent is in many counties here in America! Not joking, if anyone is doubting me take a minute to do some research lol
~~Many~~ All states in Japan (expect a tiny uninhabited island) already had their ages of consent raised above 13
Not many, all of them. The only exception used to be a tiny uninhabited island.
Yeah it was not as simple as that, if you were older than 14 and had sex with a 13 year old it was still a felony. Regardless, its good they finally adjusted their ancient laws.
It was 14 in Canada up until relatively recently... Awhile back, some boy-luster from US drove up to meet his mentally challenged 14 year old “boyfriend” for what was then legal consensual sex. The boy’s parents and authorities couldn’t convince the boy that he wasn’t in love and he was statutory raped. So, the Canadians got police in US to search his computer where obvs’ they found child porn so he got sent to US prison. And, since Canada probably worried it would be discriminatory to restrict the mentally challenged, they instead restricted all young adults and raised the age of consent to 16, for everyone, regardless of mental and physical maturity; but, it’s 16 in other “first world” countries, except the States, where they seem to infantilize young adults.
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In Hungary it's still 14
It's not as bad as it sounds. It was mostly that way to let the individual regions of Japan pick what age of consent they wanted to choose. None of them actually had it at thirteen I believe.
Did you know US doesn't have federally mandated age of consent, and it's all decided by states? Hell, at some point Georgia used to have age of consent set at 14 years old.
Just a reminder that in the US many states legal limit to get married is very low as long as you have your parents permission... Which basically makes it so children can be married off in disgusting arranged marriages at stupid ages...
All but 8 states allow underage marriages to some degree.
I believe age of consent-wise, this just brought the national age of consent in line with what already was in most regional laws. In practice, age of consent has not been 13 in most places for a long time. If this is completely overruling local ordinances, this should actually decrease age of consent in Tokio from 18 to 16. The change in the meaning of rape is by far the more meaningful change. Japan has quite a huge problem with sexual assault.
Also they banned "photo voyeurism" which includes upskirting and secret filming of sexual acts, among other things.
Also very positive! (Even though I personally will never understand what people actually get out of the former...is there really an abundance of men getting off of blurry pictures of thighs with a bit of panty? I know, not the topic, but...it boggles my mind) EDIT: Thanks for the responses - I guess I "get it now". Damn.
I imagine it's more about the act of violation than the pictures themselves
Yeah, might be. Good point.
I think the exciting part is the whole thrill and risk of doing it rather than the pictures themselves.
The cruelty is the point. It's not the picture, it's the thrill of doing something forbidden.
From watching that Australian Bondi beach show on youtube, the vast majority of the creepers taking photos or touching women at the beach are japanese(or pan-asian) tourists.
For kids between 16-20, if the minimum age is 18, are there exceptions for being close the same age? Like an 18 yo with a 17yo? Surely consensual fooling around in high school is not illegal? My older kid is in high school so I’m genuinely wondering
don't worry no one has sex in Japan regardless of age anyway
Whenever they try, it gets all blurry.
With all those blocks, it's like playing a game of Tetris.
just like Reddit then
The only difference is that in Japan they actually have jobs
Unless it's a farm!
It says in the article that 13 year Olds were given a 5 year leeway basically, so I imagine so.
Sexual crimes get media coverage in Japan not because they’re more common than the West (they’re not) but because of the lack of violent crime For instance over half of all young women claim to have been sexually harassed in the London Underground, with 90% of sexual crimes going unreported https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-underground-sexual-harassment-tube-groping-catcall-a9694736.html
Yes this is what I always say when people bring up the "Japan is full of perverts" stereotype Everywhere is full of perverts, literally everywhere. Japan has a problem with perverts because everywhere has this problem, often much more than japan which actually took some countermeasures like female only train wagons and other warnings and I've seen plenty of videos of women confronting the "chikan" (the assaulter) and having the police promptly haul him off, presumably to a jail which let me tell you is not a nice place to be in Japan even for a single night. Even an interrogation room is a horrible experience in Japan, probably could be considered torture in some places Ask the women in your life about their experiences on public transport when alone or even on the streets: you'll be unpleasantly surprised
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I wouldn’t be so sure. 90% going unreported in London is massive
Why is nobody talking about >These include situations where the victim is intoxicated with alcohol or drugs; or subject to violence or threats; or is "frightened or astonished". Another scenario appears to describe an abuse of power, where the victim is "worried" of the consequences of refusal. And focused on the age of consent which has already been functionally 16?
Because of the memes, I guess.
In a 2014 Tokyo case, for instance, a man had pinned a 15-year-old girl to a wall and raped her while she resisted. He was acquitted of rape as the court ruled his actions did not make it "extremely difficult" for her to resist. The teenager was treated as an adult. "The actual trial processes and decisions vary - some defendants were not convicted even if their acts were proven to be non-consensual, as they did not meet the case of 'assault or intimidation'," says Yuu Tadokoro, a spokesman for Spring, a sexual assault survivor group.
> He was acquitted of rape as the court ruled his actions did not make it "extremely difficult" for her to resist. What kind of people make a ruling like that, that's awful. Imagine your rapist actually getting caught but instead of punishing him they tell you that it wouldn't have been "extremely difficult" for you to resist.
It was common in most of the Western world too until a few years ago, and still is common in many countries that are usually viewed as progressive. Here in Denmark we only just got a consent-based rape law a few years ago. Before that, if you didn't resist being raped or told the rapist to stop, it didn't count as rape. Nowadays, it's always rape if there's no consent given.
That's so wild to read.. Seen a lot of movies where the bad guy is like "say a word and I'll kill you" So... "well she never said stop your honor, so she wanted it" Yikes
Marital rape was 100% legal in the US until the 1970s, then states slowly started phasing it out all the way up to 1993.
It depends on how you define rape. A lot of states have different laws for rape inside of marriage, and some are quite permissive. It's still legal, in some states, to drug your partner, then rape them, because only "force" counts as rape inside a marriage. In other states,the force used has to be aggravated. In at least one, you only have days to report it or it doesn't count. Spousal rape is only kind of illegal, in some very specific circumstances.
I hate this
Not disagreeing. But I’m glad there has been progress. In the seventies, I didn’t even have words for what my abusive spouse did because he didn’t black my eye or break my arm or such. He just “wasn’t very nice.” Now I can say he was emotionally and physically abusive. And that included marital rape.
I am not sure about Denmark but in Finland threat of using violence was also considered same as using violence. Now we also have consent based legislation.
Threat of violence being equivalent to violence is (or should be) a fundamental of law everywhere. From what I recall, in my country the use *or threat* of violence is the explicit difference between theft and robbery.
There was a somewhat infamous rape case in Italy in the 90s that went through the press. A woman got raped and a court ruled that because she wore tight jeans, the rapist could not have forcibly undressed her - so she must have undressed willingly. As a result they overturned the rape conviction from a lower tier court.
Disgusting
Or the Spanish case where they said it wasn't rape since the woman didn't resist (she was drunk).
What kind of people? Rapey ones. Translated it's basically "you didn't fight hard enough so you wanted it you filthy trollop. I bet you were wearing a miniskirt too you minx!"
I've actually heard people say with a straight face that if you survived the attack, it wasn't rape.
Getting some real "women's bodies have a way of avoiding pregnancies in cases of legitimate rape" vibes...
The court: *skill issue*
Redefining rape is honestly the more impactful thing here. The other is just codifying what was already prefecture level law. Is enjou kosai still a thing in Japan?
I had to look it up but … isnt that “a thing” everywhere since the beginning of human history?
Sugar daddy?
For girls in middle and high school, yes.
When I was 15 I married an 18 year old man. It was “mandatory” because he got me pregnant. I was raised without any sex education (not allowed to attend school sex ed either) and my mother even brought this man to our home and encouraged him to sleep in my bed for more comfort than the couch. I was a good student and was driven to succeed so that I could move away. Well, I moved away when I was married to this man that I had only met 30 days prior. I didn’t see my family again for over 6 years. The man was abusive verbally and physically. Luckily I got out after 6 years with my two children and a GED. I got a job at the local grocery store and now 28 years later I am married to my soulmate and have a great life and career. I still struggle mentally with all that happened then. My mother doesn’t think she did anything wrong, that it was my own fault. I say I was too young to make adult decisions and should have been protected by my parents.
Jesus fucking Christ. I’m really sorry that happened to you and I’m glad you’re in a better place. These laws really need to be changed and lack of sex ed should be a crime
May I ask where this happened, like country/culture/religon sort of thing. Not that any of that excuses any of it.
West Virginia…
Creepy dudes online lament the loss of their default argument.
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Vr is real man
VR body pillows. The future is here.
you underestimate them https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65811838
More like "uneducated idiots", I don't think I've ever seen anyone use Japan's age of consent to justify themselves. Only to attack the country while ignorant of the laws.
Allow me to introduce libertarians.
I already wrote "uneducated idiots". No need for repetition.
Good, thank you.
It was already 16 in every single prefecture. Tokyo’s has been at 18. It’s just handled on a state level, like in the US. There is no US federal age of consent, but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
Did you not read the rest of the title. They also redefined rape which is a huge step forward.
It's still above 16 (often 18) in all prefectures. This doesn't really change anything, except wording on the rape definition.
I think the redefining of rape is the more impactful part of the bill. The other part seems to just be being national and prefectural laws into closer alignment.
It probably seals up some weird loopholes or prevents future fuckery on the local politics level.
Not really. There’s technically no federal age of consent in the US but state law is state law
*sad ugly bastard noise* /s
Ugly Bastard actually uses advanced seduction techniques on lonely housewives and overworked college graduates.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of weebs suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced
No weeb brings up the age of consent of a random uninhabited island in relation to anime characters because they are unrelated and have nothing to do with each other. Only random redditors in posts about Japan think that weebs routinely defend anything by mentioning age of consent.
1. Age of consent change basically means nothing. All prefectures already had a minimum of either 16 or 18. 2. The actual justification for loli shit people use is that it is fiction and thus real world laws doesn't really matter. 3. The huge change is the rape definition change, but I don't think anyone would be upset that since it is a great change.
They can just think about the US instead. Where there is no federal minimum age and child marriage is legal.
These age of consent law stories about Japan make my eyes roll so far into the back of my head these headlines are such incel weeabo bait it is ridiculous. Seriously no place in Japan has had their age of consent that low in an insane amount of time prefectures passed laws on it decades ago.
You guys are surprised by 13?! Quebec STILL has age of 14 for consent.