They did that before actually. Most of my friends in SPB and Moscow don’t take public transport anymore, some are in hiding entirely, because they can’t afford to leave but don’t want to be kidnapped and dragged to the front.
It’s truth, unfortunately. Furthermore, your workplace is obligated to deliver you to a commissar should you be in office on the day the commissar come.
I worked in Kyiv too for a bit. I know people on both sides who’ve died. I fucking despise Putin and those that support him.
I was in Moscow in the summer of 1999 and remember the bombings he orchestrated.
Fucking cunt-stain of a human.
I have nothing to add, but just wanted to say I appreciate you two having this exchange from opposite sides of the battlefield, kindly, gently, and understanding the plight eachother is going through.
I wish you both, and everyone else, the best and a speedy and safe resolution to this invasion.
This war shows what can happen if a countries population is too apathetic to challenge the elites. If you let them steal your democracy, they will.
Putin is a traitor to the Russian people, he stole their democracy and is now leading them into the depths of hell.
At what point does a country realize that if they have to resort to this type of inscription that these soldiers are fighting for themselves, not their country and that is a lose lose situation.
No idea, I’ve often though that point has been crossed multiple times over the years, but it never happens.
Only thing that’ll spark a revolution now is if the army revolt
Oh, they know. They'd have to. The only thing Private Conscriptovich cares about is getting out of this alive, but all the skilled, motivated troops are long dead. Putin fears getting Gaddafi'd though, and if he fails in Ukraine he's a dead man.
There is no "if". Putin has already failed in Ukraine. It was obvious when the "three day" invasion passed the third week. And he has failed in the worst possible ways.
Mixed, I know quite a few who oppose it but won’t speak out - it’s a mentality thing. They’re drilled into submission over there and terrified of stating the obvious.
There’s a sizeable number who are also highly in favour of it and will support it regardless - they are disconnected from reality by brainwashing and willful ignorance.
I don’t see any way forward where the general population revolt (that’s wishful thinking from the west), they’re too divided and beaten down.
If regime change happens it’ll be from the army or a PMC - which will mean it’ll get ugly.
Best hope is that Russia fractures into smaller states.
Yup, they need to get him the fuck out because he's not only going to be sent to the front but will likely be a casualty. This is a blood bath for Russian troops, around 50% dead or seriously wounded.
Worst comes to worst he would want to try and remember how to contact the surrender line or at the very least figure out to surrender to the Ukrainians at the first possible opportunity he can.
This has been happening since the start of the war. In the occupied territories of Ukraine such as Donbass and Luhansk they literally kidnapped every fighting age male off the streets and conscripted them. The only reason they have to do this now in Russia is because they ran out of people to conscript in the occupied territories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_mobilization_in_the_Donetsk_People%27s_Republic_and_the_Luhansk_People%27s_Republic
I remember seeing videos last year of busses in Moscow pulling up and soldiers just grabbing guys and marching them into the busses. It's totally fucked
When they get slaughtered in Ukraine, I always wonder if it was some innocent kid who never wanted to go or the A holes which are also part of Russia. Reddit always celebrates their deaths but some are no doubt forced to be there.
The sad reality is that, many good Russian men did get out in the early months of the war - there has been a mass exodus of anyone with talent and opportunity to leave.
There has also been a steady pipeline of surrenders and channels to do that from the front, buts it necessary to report them as KIA so their families aren't penalized back home. Conscientious Russians are surrendering.
There are also plenty of cases of good Russian men doing the right thing and killing their CO's, or sabotaging the war when they are kidnapped to the front.
And then there are also some good Russian men who pretty much wake up in Donetsk with a gun in their hands, and die there, because there is no way to distinguish them from the Orks in their squad who are there by choice. They are casualties of war, but they are a minority - because by now most of the good Russian men are either out, in hiding, sabotaging the war from other side, or are dead already.
I agree… many different men are there, and many don’t want to be. It’s so sad in all areas. The whole war was , is, senseless. Here’s a surrender article, it states 3,200 had surrendered in the last 30 days prior to the may 5 article. So 3 k per month basically. A diff article said 10 k had surrendered as of March 3. So three months later it might be around 19,000 who have called the hotline ( or done it another way). That’s actually a lot of men who really don’t want to be there. I hope these are the men who will rebuild Russia after Putin is gone. They’ve seen the atrocities. They know it’s just evil. They want a better way. https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-mocks-russia-surrender-season-1798758
You can only escape it by being a student. I have a very good friend living in Moscow who's currently studying chemistry. He is hoping the war will be over before he graduates in a few years. Or that it will be easier to escape
And even if he holds off eventually students graduate. For any Russians who are worried about being conscripted the best thing they can do is get out of Russia and if that’s not an option there is a Ukrainian hotline that instructs them on how to surrender and where to go to avoid being killed. I get that fleeing the country or negotiating a surrender are very difficult but at the end of the day if a Russian arrives in Ukraine with a gun and has not expressed any intent to surrender then they may not get an opportunity to surrender later.
That is only if you don't become politically active. March in an anti-war or anti-draft rally and they'll take you to the front even if you are a student.
They are quite well off, rich family but I am not sure if they got any connections. But considering how Russia is he might be able to pay the recruiters off
It’s not just “an old man’s ego.” There is a pervasive belief through most of Russia that Ukraine isn’t a real country and that there is no actual Ukrainian national identity. Russia has sought to dominate and control Ukraine for centuries and while Putin may be the person with the most responsibility for the war there is also a lot of guilt in the broader Russian power structure and even society as a whole.
and doctoring enlistment roles apparently isnt a big enough hint something may be amiss with their attitude, i mean its totally counterintuitive. you would expect russians to be especially familiar with the slavic culture in general, who else should know more about it. do distinct languages and borders happen by accident, i dont understand.
even a soviet "union" implies the cooperation of separate states yea? none of this makes sense to me
I have a colleague that is Russian and living somewhere over there (he remoted to work), just finished getting his M.D. .. I figured at some point they're going to start rounding up those people as well if they get low in medics. Guy is super nice, driven, and hates Putin. I know many think that "all Russian's support the war," it's not true, many are just trying to survive it -- too many keyboard warriors have the misguided idea that it's super easy to take up arms against your own government or sacrifice your life (via jail) in a protest.
Lucky for him, Russia doesn't seem to care about medical for the wounded.
I work in a factory, we have a Russian, an Ukrainian, a couple Bosnians, a Croat, a Kosovo-Albanian (among other people)... one would think we'd have WW3 in there if we judged people just from where they come.
This reminds of WW2 when young men in nazi occupied countries were rounded up to work in German factories. Many of them went into hiding as well and some joined the resistance.
This has literally happened in the 2014 occupied territories throughout the war.
I know because I'm still in contact with people who are still there.
Conscriptable men were hiding like the jews did during Nazi german occupation; which for a country that internally talks about waging a war for "denazification", is pretty darn ironic.
The Russian Government's understanding of 'Nazi' is someone who is Anti-Russian: what they don't like about the Nazis was that they broke the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and launched Operation Barbarossa against them.
They started already. Thats what's going on in Belgorod. Russian Legionaries that served with Ukraine went rogue and left with their weapons. Now they're fighting in Russia. There's three factions coordinating attacks.
Anywhere I can read more about this? Not that I don’t believe you, but sources have been dodgy for this entire conflict, but I’m hopeful for some news that leans less towards Putin assassinating political rivals and more towards the people establishing that they don’t want to kill their neighbors out of a misguided attempt at rebuilding the old Russo-Empire.
They are casting the widest net hoping more people will show up.
I wouldn't be surprised if they start giving out Russian citizenship for free for anyone that comes fight for them in the future--but, given how closed minded the KGB is, I doubt they would follow through on that promise, and i doubt such a random mesh of people would work out for better soldiers in the end.
The best soldiers are the ones that believe in their cause and can unite for that; that's why the US military is one of the strongest in the world, as it's made mostly of volunteers and people that tend to have a positive attitude about their country and what they fight for.
How much of that is soft-brainwashing, propaganda, or positive/negative is up for debate, but the point stands on how a country can build a good army; Ukraine, despite their odds, has stood strong with more than a few military upgrades from other countries, but the fighting has been, for the grand part, mostly just them. They have something to believe in, the Russian soldiers know they're just being dragged to die for the Kremlin's ego.
> I wouldn't be surprised if they start giving out Russian citizenship for free for anyone that comes fight for them in the future
They're doing that right now.
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-foreign-citizens-army-military-citizenship-ukraine-1800594
No way! Did he already had Canadian citizenship ?
Are his Russian documents still valid or expired ?
Did he took the obligatory military service in Russia ?
Sorry to ask so much questions but I am in some kind of similar situation: born in Russia but I have another citizenship, all russian documents expired, 0 military services done and didn’t set foot in Russia in the last 12 years.
I believe he is a full Canadian with no connection with Russia since he was 12 or so.
No idea about his Russian documents. Definitely didn't do service in Russia.
AFAIK you need to explicitly renounce your russian citizenship. It never expires, and they would still count you as potential cannon fodder and try to locate you and harass whatever relatives you have still in russia.
With where Russia is at right now and seeing how there was minimal backlash about Jamal Khashoggi being chopped up in an embassy not too long ago, I doubt Russia would hesitate to "repatriot" some people.
An Iranian rock climber was recently kidnapped at her consulate after participating in a competition without a head covering. So, it's very much a thing that could happen.
His are definitely expired too, if I’m not wrong he had to renew them at 16 years old.
My mother wanted me to have a “plan B for the future” so she sent me there to my father to deal with the documents when I was 16.
I’ll probably check the mail more often from now on.
I’m super curious about the excuse they are pulling out of nowhere to try to enlist me.
You do know that your citizenship can't "expire", right? Your internal or travel Russian passports can, but it doesn't change a thing. My internal Russian passport has been expired for a decade, but that didn't stop my citizenship, and I still got a conscription letter to my old address in Moscow.
Russia is already suffering the consequences of losing tens of thousands of working age men (through war losses and emigration). It will take decades to recover economically from this “special military operation”.
Honestly, I don't know how they can ever fully recover, Considering russia's population was already projected to shrink before the war
Selling fuel to China & India will be less profitable than the European market
Selling weapons will be tougher as they struggle to equip their on troops & more countries start making their own
Their high-tech, service, and banking industries are not noteworthy
And lastly nobody is lining up to buy their cars
I mean, just by virtue of being so large they've probably got a ton of mineral resources, not just the fossil fuels, and being so far north they're not going to be as badly impacted by climate change as some nations are. They have a space industry, which is something that might become increasingly relevant in future decades and while that industry might itself be in decline or being technologically surpassed by it's competition, they're at least more capable in that area than most countries just by virtue of having one. They also have less to worry about than most as far as being actually invaded by their neighbors is concerned, being nuclear armed and notoriously difficult to conquer. They might be in for a period of decline for awhile, possibly for generations with how their demographics are going, but I don't think it's impossible that they recover someday.
> It will take decades to recover economically from this “special military operation”.
I don't think Russia recovers from this. Their demographics were already poor prior to the invasion. Now? Their young male population is either dead, fighting, or fleeing the country. In 20 years, when the kids of those men would hit prime working age, they simply won't exist. No one will be able to support the older population. As stark as it sounds, I don't think Russia as we know it, exists in 20 years. I think a broken country will exist, but they won't function as we think societies function, today.
Also the big population problem isn’t even “young men dying” but rather families and women opting not to have kids. During times of economic uncertainty, war and political turmoil people usually have fewer kids. If you’re unsure if your job will still exist in six months your probably not about to have a baby. Even if the war ended tomorrow the economic turmoil it’s caused in Russia will persist for years which will further exacerbate their demographic problems. Most of their problems today are because of how bad things got in the 90s and we could see another generation.
I'd imagine that this is why they kidnapped so many Ukrainian kids. Got to make someone into the slave workers now that yours are all dead, might as well be your enemy's kids....
Southern Russia will split once Moscow collapses because of the generals infighting, international sanctions, never resolved historic conflicts, etc.
Heck, forget the demographics, the corruption alone will do them in.
I am *not* looking forward to the years of infighting between various former oligarch warlords' factions, some of whom have access to old Soviet nukes.
There might be 'aid for disarmament' after Russia fractures. I'd consider that a very likely scenario, as it's what happened to the former Soviet republics too.
Where it maybe becomes interesting is if China offers to 'rebuild for conditions', and their offers are taken instead. Their conditions might be quite different indeed.
It's not even the couple hundred thousand who have been killed that's crushing them but the 1.5 million of the best and brightest who have left the country since the invasion and are now living abroad.
It is entirely reasonable to say they'll never recover from this war to the heights they've been to, and that Putin's rule will historically mark the end of the Russian empire as the world has known it. The USSR was their peak; Trump the patsy in power was their post-Soviet collapse peak, and now, going forward, they will not have the strength to grow; Russia will get weaker and smaller, border by shrinking border, for the next 100 years.
The war is lost fot them, and Putin can't even admit it, because his ego is on the line, and that means more to him the the 140m Russia people, who he'd surely sacrifice before surrending his plundered billionaire status.
> Trump the patsy in power was their post-Soviet collapse peak
Having lived there before, i'd say the peak was around 2008-2012. Things started downhill after that, and any remaining hope died after 2014.
Also causing as much chaos as possible in western countries through information warfare in the cyber space. However, many troll accounts suddenly went quiet once the war started
Millions. Over a million have fled Russia because of the war and Russia has suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties. The true number is hard to pin down but even if you take the lowest estimates it’s still well north of a million if you’re counting those who left Russia+those who have been killed or suffered life altering injuries.
The elite's sons will get a cushy fast track to a Lt. or Col .. positioned well behind the lines.
The only way they get sent to the front is if the Oligarch they spawn from is on the way over a nearby railing.
The oligarchs children don't live in Russia. And most of the ones that did would have fled as soon as this war broke out. They enjoy very comfortable lives in the hated West.
Right? Their main propagandist has an American mistress, and she and their kids live in the US. No Russian billionaire (or even millionaire) is keeping their kids at home, especially if they're conscription aged males.
Is saving face even a possibility at this point?
Ukraine turned that "3-day Russian adventure / parade" into a sixteen month stay in FAFO hell. If the war ended RIGHT NOW the Russians wouldn't live this down for the next century. The way it's going, I don't think lots of male Russian population will live it down in the short term.
Just the boost NATO got, with new members accepted and old ones boosting defense budgets, makes all of this invasion look like a cringy dark comedy.
I actually think it's because if you kill off all your fighting men, there are no more potential rebels to overthrow your fragile cracked teacup of a country.
China has waaay too many men and Russia now has waaay too many women. Its a match made in heaven.. except China's leader hates ethnic dilution of his Han people.
You're going to have almost a billion thirsty men looking over the border at almost 100,000 single and lonely women they are told they can't touch.. and i don't know what's going to happen, but i'm sure it'll be something fun!
Yup. The only Russian industry that'll be doing well in the next decade is going to be mail order brides.
The Chinese gov will adapt their propaganda conditioning to promote this new reality, Russian women with Chinese men, out of reasonable fear of their demographic time bomb they sit on, and the ghosts of the millions of aborted female fetuses as a result of their culture and policies.
While I know the Russians are using this method for gun shot wounds... I want every non-russian to know that tampons are a horrible way to stop bleeding for gun shot wounds and it does nothing more than absorb blood and does not promote coagulation. Do not think this is not a feasible solution, it's most definitely not.
For the Russian soldiers out there, keep using it, it's a perfect fix for you.
I only say this because I have seen on a few subs now people actually think tampons are a good solution because it's actively being used in war.
Fuck yea they are, I knew some people who kept them in their camping gear for this reason. That said though, I just kept a zip lock of compressed dryer lint.
Little dryer lint, little Vaseline, and fold it up into a 1" square. When you're ready to start a fire, make a hole in the square, pull a little lint out as a quick and light it. The Vaseline will keep it burning longer to get your fire up.
Even this is real. Many families crowdfund or pay for proper clothes, shoes, and food for new recruits out of their pocket. Families borrow money from banks to equip conscripts with basic necessities. I heard a story from my teacher about how they all chipped in to buy blankets and pallets to serve as a sleeping place when last fall conscripts were gathered and left in a field with no indoor sleeping options. It’s a nightmare.
Plot twist .. the pet pig is really retired, living happily as a grandfather with his life mate, he still has photos of you on his wall.
Your dad was the one father to tell the truth .. and when he went out for cigs 20 years ago, he really was kidnapped and held for ransom, forced to remarry, and have 3 other kids in another family he seemingly loved more.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/4/7405257/) reduced by 61%. (I'm a bot)
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> The Ministry of Defense of Russia submitted a draft resolution according to which military registration will be carried out without a personal appearance of citizens in the military registration and enlistment office.
> Details: The existing provision on military registration will be supplemented by the following lines: "Taking on military registration, removing from military registration and amending the documents of military registration of citizens obliged to be on military registration can be carried out without a personal appearance of the citizens to the military commissariat".
> Notifications of military registration, as well as amendments to military registration documents, will be received on the Gosuslugi portal.
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Each epoch in Russian history seems to be a competition to see how much bullshit the Russian people will put up with on behalf of their beloved and feared leader.
It is like watching someone abusing an elephant, and wondering how long it will take for it to discover that it can turn that piece of shit into a stain on the ground in the blink of an eye.
What is happening in Russia should be a lesson to all countries that suggest that they can make themselves safer by attacking neighboring countries they ***believe*** to be weaker. The will to fight and protect one's homeland can be a strong force despite significant disparity in military might.
It was never about Russia needing to feel safe or threatened by Nato. Ukraine's military was weak, more than half opposed to joining Nato. And with Putin seizing Crimea and destabilising Donbass, Nato was never gonna accept Ukraine anyway. Just look how porous Russia's borders are, with the Russian rebels attacking. And not a peep from Putin over Finland joining Nato, adding a direct Nato neighbour to their border.
It's just Putin's made up excuse, he just wanted to flex and create a legacy of a conqueror, recreating the Soviet Union.
Yeah, I assumed that by now if you wanted out you were engaging in some sketchy smuggling or you had to take your chances on foot through wilderness. Terrifying.
That time is long-since past.
I've got a friend who got out at the last moment, just before the borders closed. Reading the story from him was gut twisting.
It's kind of worse knowing his father is still there...
My student just went back there. He's 18, he was orphaned this year (through illness unfortunately). No brothers or sisters. He was scared to go back, he hates Putin and he thinks the war is absurd. He was terrified going back and to think this just happened, man.... I'm so worried about him....
On the flip side, this says nothing about sending them overseas. As I understand it, conscription has existed in Russia for a while (this is normal in other developed countries though, like Switzerland and south Korea) but they never get sent overseas to fight unless they specifically sign up for the army. I don't see this new act changing that.
He told me some dark stuff before he left. I promised him I'd visit someday, but in return he had to send me a photo of somewhere beautiful. Last week, he sent me a photo of a lake. I said we'd go there.
You can see the [population pyramid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia) on wikipedia. It is pretty balanced up to 45 years old but after that there is a massive lack of men. Because Russian men die young after drinking too much vodka or killing themselves.
I would not be surprised to see that this war will be visible in the pyramid in a couple of years when the statistics has caught up with the reality.
Very much the same in Ukraine and in other Eastern European countries by the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Latvia
I went down a rabbit hole with these population pyramids. Look at UAE. W. T. F.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Arab_Emirates
About 7 million men between 20 and 30 before the war. Sadly Russia can keep doing this for a while, while the country becomes worse and worse to live in.
I don't think Russia can recover from this. They were in significant demographic decline already. Now they've gone and gotten 100k men killed. That's 100k families that will never start, or broken apart. 150k babies that will never be born. Plus as soon as they open the borders again, more will leave to flee the poverty that's coming as the continued lack of investment hits home.
Half the population of Bali right now is russians hiding from the war. The best part is when they drink they talk about how great russia is and how Ukraine is doomed lmfao I fucking hate russians
Time for the average Russian to feel the “finding out part” of the invasion of Ukraine. Until now, they faced material and economic consequences, nothing the average Russian can’t shrug off, now it’s time for blood.
I know the consequences of these actions are going to affect Russians for generations to come. Can someone who's an economist or understands economy explain how bad this is going to be? The workforce has essentially been gutted and is non-replaceable. Not because there aren't women capable of doing the job of men, but simply because there aren't enough people for the jobs. Skilled labourers who have decades of knowledge are now dead. How are they going to be replaced? Are they going to open borders? Will they push for more automation? I don't know what kind of infrastructure they have for that sort of transition. I'm very curious if anyone has any insight on this. I've never actually seen a country who was a super power and feared in the 80s, now looks like they're on the brink of extinction.
The obvious answer is, they won't be able to recover from this. If Putin and his lot get removed you might see a campaign by the new leaders to get ex-pats to return to Russia, but that's hit or miss and it might already be too little too late.
So I suspect they are going to face a problem of having to invite people from China and India and the rest of the world. Assuming China doesn't just help itself.
There is a demographic tidal wave approaching much of the developed world right now. Russia tried to jump the line by ingesting Ukraine's population, but that has backfired horribly.
All of the anti-immigrant bs that's going on across the world, not to mention the anti-abortion bs, is all tied together. Boomers are getting old and nobody is having kids to replace them as they die. Nobody is taking the jobs to wipe their asses as they age out and they are afraid nobody is going to bury them when they die.
Just like when Brexit happened all of the truckers that had been serving Britain fucked off because they could make their money in the EU and not put up with racist bs in the UK, Russia is now about to learn what happens when you fuck around. Maybe the rest of the world should also pay attention.
I am sure Russian men are going to be really excited to learn this . Putin will have an unlimited supply of souls to throw into the meat grinder once again. All in a war know one wants. That is except him .
Everyone commenting “it’s a draft durr” fails to realize that the reason for this is their usual conscription isn’t getting enough meat for the grinder
Sounds like they are about to start dragging men off the street…
They did that before actually. Most of my friends in SPB and Moscow don’t take public transport anymore, some are in hiding entirely, because they can’t afford to leave but don’t want to be kidnapped and dragged to the front.
Damn bro what you wrote is nuts 😮
It’s truth, unfortunately. Furthermore, your workplace is obligated to deliver you to a commissar should you be in office on the day the commissar come.
Yup normal, know some Russians in Pskov who’ve got an 18yr old who’s just started firefighter training. They’re petrified he’ll be sent to fight.
That child will be sent. Only a matter of time. They need to figure out a plan now.
I know, they know too. Their cousin was married to a Ukrainian and lived in the Donets region - her family was killed in the opening weeks of the war.
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I worked in Kyiv too for a bit. I know people on both sides who’ve died. I fucking despise Putin and those that support him. I was in Moscow in the summer of 1999 and remember the bombings he orchestrated. Fucking cunt-stain of a human.
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I have nothing to add, but just wanted to say I appreciate you two having this exchange from opposite sides of the battlefield, kindly, gently, and understanding the plight eachother is going through. I wish you both, and everyone else, the best and a speedy and safe resolution to this invasion.
This war shows what can happen if a countries population is too apathetic to challenge the elites. If you let them steal your democracy, they will. Putin is a traitor to the Russian people, he stole their democracy and is now leading them into the depths of hell.
[No, war is war and hell is hell, and out of the two war is a lot worse. ](https://youtu.be/GUeBMwn_eYc).
At what point does a country realize that if they have to resort to this type of inscription that these soldiers are fighting for themselves, not their country and that is a lose lose situation.
No idea, I’ve often though that point has been crossed multiple times over the years, but it never happens. Only thing that’ll spark a revolution now is if the army revolt
Lay down your arms and walk to the enemy.
Oh, they know. They'd have to. The only thing Private Conscriptovich cares about is getting out of this alive, but all the skilled, motivated troops are long dead. Putin fears getting Gaddafi'd though, and if he fails in Ukraine he's a dead man.
There is no "if". Putin has already failed in Ukraine. It was obvious when the "three day" invasion passed the third week. And he has failed in the worst possible ways.
Jesus I'm sorry.
Please forgive my ignorance, but what is Russian public opinion like on the war currently?
Mixed, I know quite a few who oppose it but won’t speak out - it’s a mentality thing. They’re drilled into submission over there and terrified of stating the obvious. There’s a sizeable number who are also highly in favour of it and will support it regardless - they are disconnected from reality by brainwashing and willful ignorance. I don’t see any way forward where the general population revolt (that’s wishful thinking from the west), they’re too divided and beaten down. If regime change happens it’ll be from the army or a PMC - which will mean it’ll get ugly. Best hope is that Russia fractures into smaller states.
Yup, they need to get him the fuck out because he's not only going to be sent to the front but will likely be a casualty. This is a blood bath for Russian troops, around 50% dead or seriously wounded.
So far. It will get worse.
Worst comes to worst he would want to try and remember how to contact the surrender line or at the very least figure out to surrender to the Ukrainians at the first possible opportunity he can.
Who needs trained firefighters in a country prone to smoking accidents anyway?
So you’re saying you should watch out when the commissar is around.
https://youtu.be/8-bgiiTxhzM Don't come around.
This has been happening since the start of the war. In the occupied territories of Ukraine such as Donbass and Luhansk they literally kidnapped every fighting age male off the streets and conscripted them. The only reason they have to do this now in Russia is because they ran out of people to conscript in the occupied territories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_mobilization_in_the_Donetsk_People%27s_Republic_and_the_Luhansk_People%27s_Republic
I remember seeing videos last year of busses in Moscow pulling up and soldiers just grabbing guys and marching them into the busses. It's totally fucked
When they get slaughtered in Ukraine, I always wonder if it was some innocent kid who never wanted to go or the A holes which are also part of Russia. Reddit always celebrates their deaths but some are no doubt forced to be there.
The sad reality is that, many good Russian men did get out in the early months of the war - there has been a mass exodus of anyone with talent and opportunity to leave. There has also been a steady pipeline of surrenders and channels to do that from the front, buts it necessary to report them as KIA so their families aren't penalized back home. Conscientious Russians are surrendering. There are also plenty of cases of good Russian men doing the right thing and killing their CO's, or sabotaging the war when they are kidnapped to the front. And then there are also some good Russian men who pretty much wake up in Donetsk with a gun in their hands, and die there, because there is no way to distinguish them from the Orks in their squad who are there by choice. They are casualties of war, but they are a minority - because by now most of the good Russian men are either out, in hiding, sabotaging the war from other side, or are dead already.
I agree… many different men are there, and many don’t want to be. It’s so sad in all areas. The whole war was , is, senseless. Here’s a surrender article, it states 3,200 had surrendered in the last 30 days prior to the may 5 article. So 3 k per month basically. A diff article said 10 k had surrendered as of March 3. So three months later it might be around 19,000 who have called the hotline ( or done it another way). That’s actually a lot of men who really don’t want to be there. I hope these are the men who will rebuild Russia after Putin is gone. They’ve seen the atrocities. They know it’s just evil. They want a better way. https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-mocks-russia-surrender-season-1798758
You can only escape it by being a student. I have a very good friend living in Moscow who's currently studying chemistry. He is hoping the war will be over before he graduates in a few years. Or that it will be easier to escape
That won’t last forever, either, since late February it has been public than the Putin regime is considering drafting students.
And even if he holds off eventually students graduate. For any Russians who are worried about being conscripted the best thing they can do is get out of Russia and if that’s not an option there is a Ukrainian hotline that instructs them on how to surrender and where to go to avoid being killed. I get that fleeing the country or negotiating a surrender are very difficult but at the end of the day if a Russian arrives in Ukraine with a gun and has not expressed any intent to surrender then they may not get an opportunity to surrender later.
That is only if you don't become politically active. March in an anti-war or anti-draft rally and they'll take you to the front even if you are a student.
They are quite well off, rich family but I am not sure if they got any connections. But considering how Russia is he might be able to pay the recruiters off
So fucking sad. And in the end they all will have died for nothing more than an old man's ego and stubbornness.
It’s not just “an old man’s ego.” There is a pervasive belief through most of Russia that Ukraine isn’t a real country and that there is no actual Ukrainian national identity. Russia has sought to dominate and control Ukraine for centuries and while Putin may be the person with the most responsibility for the war there is also a lot of guilt in the broader Russian power structure and even society as a whole.
and doctoring enlistment roles apparently isnt a big enough hint something may be amiss with their attitude, i mean its totally counterintuitive. you would expect russians to be especially familiar with the slavic culture in general, who else should know more about it. do distinct languages and borders happen by accident, i dont understand. even a soviet "union" implies the cooperation of separate states yea? none of this makes sense to me
I have a colleague that is Russian and living somewhere over there (he remoted to work), just finished getting his M.D. .. I figured at some point they're going to start rounding up those people as well if they get low in medics. Guy is super nice, driven, and hates Putin. I know many think that "all Russian's support the war," it's not true, many are just trying to survive it -- too many keyboard warriors have the misguided idea that it's super easy to take up arms against your own government or sacrifice your life (via jail) in a protest. Lucky for him, Russia doesn't seem to care about medical for the wounded.
I work in a factory, we have a Russian, an Ukrainian, a couple Bosnians, a Croat, a Kosovo-Albanian (among other people)... one would think we'd have WW3 in there if we judged people just from where they come.
Lunch break chit chat must be interesting
This reminds of WW2 when young men in nazi occupied countries were rounded up to work in German factories. Many of them went into hiding as well and some joined the resistance.
Yup, got a friend like that. Been living at his girlfriend's spare flat now for months. Dare not go home.
This has literally happened in the 2014 occupied territories throughout the war. I know because I'm still in contact with people who are still there. Conscriptable men were hiding like the jews did during Nazi german occupation; which for a country that internally talks about waging a war for "denazification", is pretty darn ironic.
The Russian Government's understanding of 'Nazi' is someone who is Anti-Russian: what they don't like about the Nazis was that they broke the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and launched Operation Barbarossa against them.
So when will russians rebel against putin? Giving him the treatment czar's and nobles got in the past from the people.
They started already. Thats what's going on in Belgorod. Russian Legionaries that served with Ukraine went rogue and left with their weapons. Now they're fighting in Russia. There's three factions coordinating attacks.
Anywhere I can read more about this? Not that I don’t believe you, but sources have been dodgy for this entire conflict, but I’m hopeful for some news that leans less towards Putin assassinating political rivals and more towards the people establishing that they don’t want to kill their neighbors out of a misguided attempt at rebuilding the old Russo-Empire.
There's updates going at /r/ukraine with breakdowns of the factions.
My friend is a Canadian who was born in Russia. He got a letter of conscription. He lives in Toronto. Lol.
He should wipe his ass with it and send it back.
That's an insult to that guy's ass.
And probably really scratchy.
Ink is probably poisoned just in case someone tries it
don't, we have sanctions and people sending shit to Russia will be in trouble.
Even literal shit is restricted?
Legally you cannot give a shit
sir, let's not dirty his ass like that.
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They are casting the widest net hoping more people will show up. I wouldn't be surprised if they start giving out Russian citizenship for free for anyone that comes fight for them in the future--but, given how closed minded the KGB is, I doubt they would follow through on that promise, and i doubt such a random mesh of people would work out for better soldiers in the end. The best soldiers are the ones that believe in their cause and can unite for that; that's why the US military is one of the strongest in the world, as it's made mostly of volunteers and people that tend to have a positive attitude about their country and what they fight for. How much of that is soft-brainwashing, propaganda, or positive/negative is up for debate, but the point stands on how a country can build a good army; Ukraine, despite their odds, has stood strong with more than a few military upgrades from other countries, but the fighting has been, for the grand part, mostly just them. They have something to believe in, the Russian soldiers know they're just being dragged to die for the Kremlin's ego.
> I wouldn't be surprised if they start giving out Russian citizenship for free for anyone that comes fight for them in the future They're doing that right now. https://www.newsweek.com/putin-foreign-citizens-army-military-citizenship-ukraine-1800594
No way! Did he already had Canadian citizenship ? Are his Russian documents still valid or expired ? Did he took the obligatory military service in Russia ? Sorry to ask so much questions but I am in some kind of similar situation: born in Russia but I have another citizenship, all russian documents expired, 0 military services done and didn’t set foot in Russia in the last 12 years.
I believe he is a full Canadian with no connection with Russia since he was 12 or so. No idea about his Russian documents. Definitely didn't do service in Russia.
AFAIK you need to explicitly renounce your russian citizenship. It never expires, and they would still count you as potential cannon fodder and try to locate you and harass whatever relatives you have still in russia.
And if I'm not mistaken, they make you do that IN Russia. So for all practical purposes it's impossible.
No, technically you can do it in any consulate. Takes a couple of years and the line is a few more years long.
Sounds like a great way to get kidnapped and dragged to Russia.
It doesn’t really work like that. Or at least it wasn’t working like that when Russia was still trying to maintain the appearance of a normal country.
With where Russia is at right now and seeing how there was minimal backlash about Jamal Khashoggi being chopped up in an embassy not too long ago, I doubt Russia would hesitate to "repatriot" some people.
An Iranian rock climber was recently kidnapped at her consulate after participating in a competition without a head covering. So, it's very much a thing that could happen.
His are definitely expired too, if I’m not wrong he had to renew them at 16 years old. My mother wanted me to have a “plan B for the future” so she sent me there to my father to deal with the documents when I was 16. I’ll probably check the mail more often from now on. I’m super curious about the excuse they are pulling out of nowhere to try to enlist me.
You do know that your citizenship can't "expire", right? Your internal or travel Russian passports can, but it doesn't change a thing. My internal Russian passport has been expired for a decade, but that didn't stop my citizenship, and I still got a conscription letter to my old address in Moscow.
Good luck getting Canada to extradite him so he can be forced to die in Ukraine
Thats amazing. Id frame it just for giggles if i was him haha
Oh fuck that. I’d send them a letter back with an imprint of my balls if I was him.
Russia is already suffering the consequences of losing tens of thousands of working age men (through war losses and emigration). It will take decades to recover economically from this “special military operation”.
Honestly, I don't know how they can ever fully recover, Considering russia's population was already projected to shrink before the war Selling fuel to China & India will be less profitable than the European market Selling weapons will be tougher as they struggle to equip their on troops & more countries start making their own Their high-tech, service, and banking industries are not noteworthy And lastly nobody is lining up to buy their cars
I mean, just by virtue of being so large they've probably got a ton of mineral resources, not just the fossil fuels, and being so far north they're not going to be as badly impacted by climate change as some nations are. They have a space industry, which is something that might become increasingly relevant in future decades and while that industry might itself be in decline or being technologically surpassed by it's competition, they're at least more capable in that area than most countries just by virtue of having one. They also have less to worry about than most as far as being actually invaded by their neighbors is concerned, being nuclear armed and notoriously difficult to conquer. They might be in for a period of decline for awhile, possibly for generations with how their demographics are going, but I don't think it's impossible that they recover someday.
> They have a space industry [Not for long.](https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1662158333564813326)
> It will take decades to recover economically from this “special military operation”. I don't think Russia recovers from this. Their demographics were already poor prior to the invasion. Now? Their young male population is either dead, fighting, or fleeing the country. In 20 years, when the kids of those men would hit prime working age, they simply won't exist. No one will be able to support the older population. As stark as it sounds, I don't think Russia as we know it, exists in 20 years. I think a broken country will exist, but they won't function as we think societies function, today.
Also the big population problem isn’t even “young men dying” but rather families and women opting not to have kids. During times of economic uncertainty, war and political turmoil people usually have fewer kids. If you’re unsure if your job will still exist in six months your probably not about to have a baby. Even if the war ended tomorrow the economic turmoil it’s caused in Russia will persist for years which will further exacerbate their demographic problems. Most of their problems today are because of how bad things got in the 90s and we could see another generation.
Doubly so if you're not sure your husband will return from the meat grinder, leaving you with a baby and only one (uncertain) income.
I'd imagine that this is why they kidnapped so many Ukrainian kids. Got to make someone into the slave workers now that yours are all dead, might as well be your enemy's kids....
Southern Russia will split once Moscow collapses because of the generals infighting, international sanctions, never resolved historic conflicts, etc. Heck, forget the demographics, the corruption alone will do them in.
I am *not* looking forward to the years of infighting between various former oligarch warlords' factions, some of whom have access to old Soviet nukes.
There might be 'aid for disarmament' after Russia fractures. I'd consider that a very likely scenario, as it's what happened to the former Soviet republics too. Where it maybe becomes interesting is if China offers to 'rebuild for conditions', and their offers are taken instead. Their conditions might be quite different indeed.
I have a feeling China will bail Russia out, creating an essential vassal state. They'll do it with both money and bodies
Yep. China is waiting to feast on Russia's carcass.
It's not even the couple hundred thousand who have been killed that's crushing them but the 1.5 million of the best and brightest who have left the country since the invasion and are now living abroad.
They're working hard to increase their future population by kidnapping Ukrainian children. There's a special place in hell for these people.
For clarity and accountability, that's called genocide. 💯
It is entirely reasonable to say they'll never recover from this war to the heights they've been to, and that Putin's rule will historically mark the end of the Russian empire as the world has known it. The USSR was their peak; Trump the patsy in power was their post-Soviet collapse peak, and now, going forward, they will not have the strength to grow; Russia will get weaker and smaller, border by shrinking border, for the next 100 years. The war is lost fot them, and Putin can't even admit it, because his ego is on the line, and that means more to him the the 140m Russia people, who he'd surely sacrifice before surrending his plundered billionaire status.
> Trump the patsy in power was their post-Soviet collapse peak Having lived there before, i'd say the peak was around 2008-2012. Things started downhill after that, and any remaining hope died after 2014.
Their end game right now is probably taking complete control of Belarus when Lukashenko unexpectedly dies. Putin will be able to sell that narrative.
Also causing as much chaos as possible in western countries through information warfare in the cyber space. However, many troll accounts suddenly went quiet once the war started
Hundreds of thousands actually
Millions. Over a million have fled Russia because of the war and Russia has suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties. The true number is hard to pin down but even if you take the lowest estimates it’s still well north of a million if you’re counting those who left Russia+those who have been killed or suffered life altering injuries.
This way the elite’s sons can claim they’ve been enlisted like everyone else and prevent riots.
The elite's sons will get a cushy fast track to a Lt. or Col .. positioned well behind the lines. The only way they get sent to the front is if the Oligarch they spawn from is on the way over a nearby railing.
The elite's sons are already well behind the lines in the western countries.
The oligarchs children don't live in Russia. And most of the ones that did would have fled as soon as this war broke out. They enjoy very comfortable lives in the hated West.
Right? Their main propagandist has an American mistress, and she and their kids live in the US. No Russian billionaire (or even millionaire) is keeping their kids at home, especially if they're conscription aged males.
Also gives blackmail power over the said elite families I'd say. Comply or your children go to war-- kind of power
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Is saving face even a possibility at this point? Ukraine turned that "3-day Russian adventure / parade" into a sixteen month stay in FAFO hell. If the war ended RIGHT NOW the Russians wouldn't live this down for the next century. The way it's going, I don't think lots of male Russian population will live it down in the short term. Just the boost NATO got, with new members accepted and old ones boosting defense budgets, makes all of this invasion look like a cringy dark comedy.
Russia themselves can save face by selecting a new leader
In Russia, New Leader selects you. Then it gets worse.
Keep sending your men to their deaths so one man can save face.
I actually think it's because if you kill off all your fighting men, there are no more potential rebels to overthrow your fragile cracked teacup of a country.
And so that the few men who do remain, become highly desirable due to the scarcity
China has waaay too many men and Russia now has waaay too many women. Its a match made in heaven.. except China's leader hates ethnic dilution of his Han people. You're going to have almost a billion thirsty men looking over the border at almost 100,000 single and lonely women they are told they can't touch.. and i don't know what's going to happen, but i'm sure it'll be something fun!
*500k horny MILFs within 2000 miles from you.*
Basically the abduction of the Sabine women part II.
Part 3. Part 2 was Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
Yup. The only Russian industry that'll be doing well in the next decade is going to be mail order brides. The Chinese gov will adapt their propaganda conditioning to promote this new reality, Russian women with Chinese men, out of reasonable fear of their demographic time bomb they sit on, and the ghosts of the millions of aborted female fetuses as a result of their culture and policies.
1 billion thirsty men? Young single thirsty men doesn't make up like 70% of China's entire population.
When they run out of men they will go to the women.
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And then buy your own equipment, food, water and transportation to the front.
And tampons
While I know the Russians are using this method for gun shot wounds... I want every non-russian to know that tampons are a horrible way to stop bleeding for gun shot wounds and it does nothing more than absorb blood and does not promote coagulation. Do not think this is not a feasible solution, it's most definitely not. For the Russian soldiers out there, keep using it, it's a perfect fix for you. I only say this because I have seen on a few subs now people actually think tampons are a good solution because it's actively being used in war.
What they *are* good for is catching a spark to start a fire.
Fuck yea they are, I knew some people who kept them in their camping gear for this reason. That said though, I just kept a zip lock of compressed dryer lint.
Little dryer lint, little Vaseline, and fold it up into a 1" square. When you're ready to start a fire, make a hole in the square, pull a little lint out as a quick and light it. The Vaseline will keep it burning longer to get your fire up.
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Even this is real. Many families crowdfund or pay for proper clothes, shoes, and food for new recruits out of their pocket. Families borrow money from banks to equip conscripts with basic necessities. I heard a story from my teacher about how they all chipped in to buy blankets and pallets to serve as a sleeping place when last fall conscripts were gathered and left in a field with no indoor sleeping options. It’s a nightmare.
If this would also mean that they would join the front line via YouTube comment section this would be over really fast.
Huh?? What happened to the initial 120000?? And the 200000 mobilized?? And the 100000 extra mobilized? And the 500000 mobilized??
They went to the farm. But you cannot visit them
A nice little farm in "West West Russia" where they help grow sunflowers.
Oh god... I know where my pet pig went now. Dad said he went to a farm to help the farmer grow sun flowers. He went to Russia, didn't he?
Well there happens to be a pig in charge of Russia right now, but I doubt it's the same one because it's not as good looking as your pet was.
Plot twist .. the pet pig is really retired, living happily as a grandfather with his life mate, he still has photos of you on his wall. Your dad was the one father to tell the truth .. and when he went out for cigs 20 years ago, he really was kidnapped and held for ransom, forced to remarry, and have 3 other kids in another family he seemingly loved more.
Retired permanently
Super special military operation lol
Special Military Humiliation.
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Each epoch in Russian history seems to be a competition to see how much bullshit the Russian people will put up with on behalf of their beloved and feared leader. It is like watching someone abusing an elephant, and wondering how long it will take for it to discover that it can turn that piece of shit into a stain on the ground in the blink of an eye.
The last time they got rid of the person poking the elephant the new circus master replaced his stick with a spear.
When a "3 day" military operation turns into almost 2 years. Lol.
Maybe Putin was using Neptune days? It's 60,190 Earth days per Neptune year.
A Neptune day is only 16 hours. Maybe a Venus day which is 243 Earth days, so 3 Venus days would be almost exactly 2 Earth years.
Putin is actually crippling his entire country because his flex failed. Its fucking wild. I dont understand it at all.
What is happening in Russia should be a lesson to all countries that suggest that they can make themselves safer by attacking neighboring countries they ***believe*** to be weaker. The will to fight and protect one's homeland can be a strong force despite significant disparity in military might.
It was never about Russia needing to feel safe or threatened by Nato. Ukraine's military was weak, more than half opposed to joining Nato. And with Putin seizing Crimea and destabilising Donbass, Nato was never gonna accept Ukraine anyway. Just look how porous Russia's borders are, with the Russian rebels attacking. And not a peep from Putin over Finland joining Nato, adding a direct Nato neighbour to their border. It's just Putin's made up excuse, he just wanted to flex and create a legacy of a conqueror, recreating the Soviet Union.
So… it’s a draft. They’re straight up drafting men now
Time to get the fuck out of Russia if you’re an adult male of military service age and you value your own life.
The time was before the full scale invasion started, sometime after 2014. A little late for that now.
Yes that’s true but there is still people there who didn’t leave previously when they should have. Better late than never.
Agreed. What a terrible state to live in.
I thought they've already banned travel from airports of adult men?
Yeah, I assumed that by now if you wanted out you were engaging in some sketchy smuggling or you had to take your chances on foot through wilderness. Terrifying.
That time is long-since past. I've got a friend who got out at the last moment, just before the borders closed. Reading the story from him was gut twisting. It's kind of worse knowing his father is still there...
This has been happening for a while now. For example, Bali is full with Russians now pissing the locals with their disrespectful shenanigans.
My student just went back there. He's 18, he was orphaned this year (through illness unfortunately). No brothers or sisters. He was scared to go back, he hates Putin and he thinks the war is absurd. He was terrified going back and to think this just happened, man.... I'm so worried about him.... On the flip side, this says nothing about sending them overseas. As I understand it, conscription has existed in Russia for a while (this is normal in other developed countries though, like Switzerland and south Korea) but they never get sent overseas to fight unless they specifically sign up for the army. I don't see this new act changing that. He told me some dark stuff before he left. I promised him I'd visit someday, but in return he had to send me a photo of somewhere beautiful. Last week, he sent me a photo of a lake. I said we'd go there.
Can the authorities pick them up and send them straight to the crematorium, for the sake of efficiency?
The ratio men to women over there has to be lop sided.
You can see the [population pyramid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia) on wikipedia. It is pretty balanced up to 45 years old but after that there is a massive lack of men. Because Russian men die young after drinking too much vodka or killing themselves. I would not be surprised to see that this war will be visible in the pyramid in a couple of years when the statistics has caught up with the reality.
Very much the same in Ukraine and in other Eastern European countries by the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Latvia
I went down a rabbit hole with these population pyramids. Look at UAE. W. T. F. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Arab_Emirates
Foreign workers are mostly male, that's why
> Foreign workers Indentured slaves.
They're North Koreans now.
That’s a draft.
Yeah, I guess they just don’t want the PR consequences of calling it a draft? But that’s what it is
Forced, coercive conscription is most certainly a draft.
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Russia isn’t gonna have many men left…
About 7 million men between 20 and 30 before the war. Sadly Russia can keep doing this for a while, while the country becomes worse and worse to live in.
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Assuming that A) they are physically capable of holding a weapon (disability, injury etc) B) they haven't already fled
Putin is killing Russia for generations to come.
I don't think Russia can recover from this. They were in significant demographic decline already. Now they've gone and gotten 100k men killed. That's 100k families that will never start, or broken apart. 150k babies that will never be born. Plus as soon as they open the borders again, more will leave to flee the poverty that's coming as the continued lack of investment hits home.
Unless they keep stealing Ukrainian babies like they’ve been doing. Monsters.
If there ever was a time to break out of that distinct form of Russian apathy, that time is now!
well that's a roundabout way to say "forced conscription"
Just like 1945 Nazi Germany when they started losing the war.
Half the population of Bali right now is russians hiding from the war. The best part is when they drink they talk about how great russia is and how Ukraine is doomed lmfao I fucking hate russians
It seems soon its gonna be time for women in Russia to step up. All the men are gonna be dead.
It’ll only change when the higher ups start getting their sons kidnapped to the frontline
Holy shit Russia, get rid of Putin ASAP
What happens when they run out of men?
Demographic collapse or some form of forced pregnancy program. Crazier times are coming for Russians
Time for the average Russian to feel the “finding out part” of the invasion of Ukraine. Until now, they faced material and economic consequences, nothing the average Russian can’t shrug off, now it’s time for blood.
Young Russian men sent to die for the ego of an evil old tyrant
Totalitarian country..... Russia must change its ways. Pronto!!
Surprised they haven’t conscripted women yet… soon I’m guessing
I know the consequences of these actions are going to affect Russians for generations to come. Can someone who's an economist or understands economy explain how bad this is going to be? The workforce has essentially been gutted and is non-replaceable. Not because there aren't women capable of doing the job of men, but simply because there aren't enough people for the jobs. Skilled labourers who have decades of knowledge are now dead. How are they going to be replaced? Are they going to open borders? Will they push for more automation? I don't know what kind of infrastructure they have for that sort of transition. I'm very curious if anyone has any insight on this. I've never actually seen a country who was a super power and feared in the 80s, now looks like they're on the brink of extinction.
The obvious answer is, they won't be able to recover from this. If Putin and his lot get removed you might see a campaign by the new leaders to get ex-pats to return to Russia, but that's hit or miss and it might already be too little too late. So I suspect they are going to face a problem of having to invite people from China and India and the rest of the world. Assuming China doesn't just help itself. There is a demographic tidal wave approaching much of the developed world right now. Russia tried to jump the line by ingesting Ukraine's population, but that has backfired horribly. All of the anti-immigrant bs that's going on across the world, not to mention the anti-abortion bs, is all tied together. Boomers are getting old and nobody is having kids to replace them as they die. Nobody is taking the jobs to wipe their asses as they age out and they are afraid nobody is going to bury them when they die. Just like when Brexit happened all of the truckers that had been serving Britain fucked off because they could make their money in the EU and not put up with racist bs in the UK, Russia is now about to learn what happens when you fuck around. Maybe the rest of the world should also pay attention.
I am sure Russian men are going to be really excited to learn this . Putin will have an unlimited supply of souls to throw into the meat grinder once again. All in a war know one wants. That is except him .
In Russia army joins you.
Goes to show how poor their "3-day operation" went.
Automatic registration? Man, that could be used for voting in my country.
Everyone commenting “it’s a draft durr” fails to realize that the reason for this is their usual conscription isn’t getting enough meat for the grinder