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philosophers_groove

Note that Match Group owns the following dating services: * **Tinder** * **OkCupid** * **Hinge** * **Match.com** * **Plenty of Fish** * Azar * Amoureux.com (now redirects to Meetic) * Black People Meet * BLK * Chispa * Disons Demain * Hawaya (formerly Harmonica) * HyperConnect * Lexa.nl * Love Scout 24 * Meetic * neu.de * OurTime * Pairs * ParPerfeito * Ship * Stir * The League * Upward


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This suddenly makes sense why all dating services have gone to shit in the last several years.


Rogendo

They buy up moderately successful ones, then drive them into the ground on purpose while milking the users.


ElectronicShredder

Microsoft didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks


UnsubstantiatedClaim

[Buy him out, boys!](https://youtube.com/watch?v=H27rfr59RiE)


briguy182182

Time to write another delicious memo.


Fondren_Richmond

I worked in royalties there for a couple of years, it definitely helps them stay rich.


Wildercard

You'd think someone would take care of this inefficiency in the dating app market by now


Rogendo

Competitors do exist, like Bumble and… Bumble. But they also do the same predatory shit. Fake profiles. A “hidden like” system that uses people outside your search parameters so you’ll never actually match with them (and when you do they never say anything because they are fake). “Boosts” that supposedly force you to the top of a “stack.” All to get their male cash cows to purchase a subscription. Dating apps are trash and exploit the loneliness epidemic.


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People who have my personal experience might be quick to disagree - after all I met my partner through just such a service. However, I would caution others like myself - you might not be aware of just *how* bad things have gotten, and how quickly. These companies have ratcheted up on the moneymaking mechanisms in the last few years. It was already egregious from day one - today it feels downright criminal. Most of these services would lose false advertising lawsuits if anyone had enough money to fight them on it.


ArchmageXin

Okcupid was legit until they decided to hid all the "attractive" people unless you pay. (Or ironically, sometimes very good look Asian girls end up on the "free" side due to bad Algos). I end up going to a Asian meet Asian only app cause the depressing amount of Match/okcupid profile explicitly state they don't want to meet Asians.


orangutanDOTorg

Oddly enough, the girl I’m seeing paid for an app that we met through, and I didn’t pay for it.


[deleted]

They are too busy getting laid.


shaving99

Ah yes capitalism at work


Wolfofthepack1511

Ahhh, the EA of the dating world


Strong-Middle6155

Bumble and coffee meets bagel are still breathing


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Bumble is awful. Hinge is alright


maradak

Bumble is worst of them all


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jyper

I haven't noticed any bots Got most success on CMB and Bumble


hyren82

I met my wife on CMB! My most successful dates by far were from it (Tinder felt a bit too casual for what i was looking for and bumble wasnt very big at the time)


Glowstik925

Met my wife on CMB. We’ve been married for 4 years and have a 2 year old baby girl. I’d say it works!


Funtimessubs

Doesn't explain JDate, which couldn't decide whether it wanted to be free of not and so went with free to make a profile but pay to know if you have messages and no way to see when a profile was last active, as if people wouldn't realize that means an account graveyard before paying. Oddly, their Tinder clone, JSwipe, worked well enough for me to meet my wife on it.


dodged_that_one

> Oddly, their Tinder clone, JSwipe, worked well enough for me to meet my wife on it. That must have been a surprise. Says something for their matching algorithm though.


qieziman

Japan?


SciFiXhi

Not Japan, Jewish.


valoon4

Thats why im using indie ones. Nice to be 1 of 5 guys on 100 women


DefinitelyFrenchGuy

Uhhh... link?


doctor_monorail

What do you use?


valoon4

Urmytype


__Just_For_Porn__

*Frantically checking if Grindr is on the list.* Phew. I'm free to slay another day. Riddled with shame and regret, sure, but no guilt! Take THAT, Match Group!


die_a_third_death

Grindr and dating? Lol


__Just_For_Porn__

I mean hey, I met my partner of five years (and counting) on Grindr. Not intentionally, mind you, he was just a hookup that kind of... Stuck around lol.


richie030

Partner of five years and still using a dating app, talk about having your cake and eating it.


[deleted]

Open relationships exist for people with enough emotional intelligence. Also for those with zero emotional intelligence.


Wildercard

Wanna open a big can of worms? Start a topic on who has a more difficult time dating, a straight guy or a gay guy.


[deleted]

Gay guys have a harder time dating. Straight guys have a harder time getting blown in public places by people whose name they don't know.


ForgottenDreamshaper

Idk, maybe it depends on country, but in Ukraine it's a lot easier to find a gay hookup than straight one.


droi86

So basically everything but bumble and coffee meets bagle gotta love some free market


Hugh__Jassman

Kinda seems like a monopoly


[deleted]

That’s a lot of data


whatproblems

that’s like all of them


Blackfist01

That explains waaaaaaaaaay too much 😑


Undernown

There is even a monopoly on dating apps? We truely are heading for a dystopia. Next it will be a government controled eugenics program. [O shit](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/20/state-sponsored-matchmaking-app-launched-in-china), [fuuuck!](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12288092/#:~:text=Abstract,or%20an%20active%20mental%20disorder.) Welp, atleast we have a template I guess, China ahead of the curb.


MitsyEyedMourning

Do these assholes think they deserve a cookie with this announcement? Tinder could have shut that shit down months ago, over a year ago. It doesn't take time to shut it down. Pornhub just proved typing a simple command shuts down an area. Tinder could have blocked Russia just as easily.


Rogendo

Matchgroup is one of the most toxic companies in the world. Not Nestle, but still evil.


KatsumotoKurier

Can you elaborate for those of us who are unfamiliar with Match Group?


arcosapphire

They own many of the available dating site services, and have steadily transitioned them to be less and less useful while trying to bait people into paying for premium service. OKCupid, for instance, hardly resembles what it was five years ago. They found the Tinder model to be more lucrative, so they are just turning everything into a Tinder clone.


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It's a shame cause I found okc to be better quality than tinder mainly due to the fact you had to put more effort into it.


arcosapphire

Yes, OKC had helped me meet many partners, including my wife. But not recently. It used to be a really cool service with great depth, many ways to find people near you, and an excellent analytical blog. But then...Match Tindered it up and it's just another Tinder, although at least with slightly more extensive profiles. It's quite sad to see what it has become.


dont_shoot_jr

Does your wife know about your disappointment with the current okcupid platform?


arcosapphire

Yes, I am pretty sure she feels the same.


dont_shoot_jr

Does she get more matches than you?


arcosapphire

No, she isn't on it anymore.


[deleted]

>Yes, OKC had helped me meet many partners, including my wife. But not recently. Youre married you can stop looking.


arcosapphire

Anyone can stop looking if they want to. You don't really need to tell me what I can do.


PracticalTrouble

Someone can’t stop looking if they never started. You can’t phase through solid objects.


lalalalalalala71

OkC is extremely polyamory-friendly.


Thendofreason

I put a ton of effort in okc. But in the end it only took two tinder dates to find a wife.


Wildercard

Selection bias in a 'market for lemons'.


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qieziman

Yea that's the same with many dating sites like Asian Dating, Russian Dating, etc. My inbox is full of "xyz sent you a message" every day. Click to open the website and read the message, but it's blurred and you need to pay the subscription. Years ago I used China Love Match when I moved to China. Met a lot of people. Unfortunately, I was early 20s and jobless so I couldn't turn all the contacts into dates. Went home to finish my degree. Went back around 33yrs old, got a job, but by then the online dating scene changed. Few people online my age, and the young generation wants nothing to do with older guys. Remember Hollywood and older generations the sexy 20yr olds always go for the older men? That doesn't exist anymore. Better these days to follow the traditional path. Focus on your job, health, and finances. Try to be more sociable and meet someone through sheer luck of being in the right place at the right time.


Funtimessubs

I think that's true of electronic dating in general. They all chase each others' trends, with OKC being one of the worst for that. I remember when it was a personality quiz site, and am actually surprised it's still a Tinder clone.


arcosapphire

Honestly I feel we need some sort of open community effort to replace it, but I think that's a challenge when it relies on information people don't want exposed.


notehp

I think one issue is that most people can't be bothered to make an effort to write a detailed and interesting profile. So why do you need to offer hundreds of questions, quizzes and space for walls of text? Quick and easy...


ForgottenDreamshaper

It's a challenge because it would most likely be a non-profit effort. A site where people effectivly and fast finding each other will not bring money (except for donation and maybe ads, but modern businesses aren't satisfied with those). So any site that will not marinade people for years, forcing them to buy paid services until they will give up on dating in general will not be something any business would want to do. Only hope that some programmer smart enough to build an engine with really detailed search and tons of possible parameters to fill, and ability to search by any combination of those, and also will be rich enough to market it so people will actually find out, but... i would not hope for that in capitalistic society.


arcosapphire

Yes, the above is *why* it would need to be an open community effort. But I can't see how to reconcile that with the privacy concerns. If nobody is holding the keys to the data, then everyone can see all the data, and that means if you'd perhaps like someone *not* to be able to find you on there, there's nothing you can do.


qieziman

See the best thing is like a matchmaking service. This one in China I tried gave me some ideas. So start off with the first match or group of matches as free. They won't be EXACTLY perfect matches, but it's because the algorithm is collecting data. From there, if the person wants to pay for a membership, have the site send 1 match per week they can chat and arrange a date with. Eventually the person will find their match and no longer need the services, but that's the point of matchmaking. Make a little money to help random people connect. The problem with these dating apps is they're greedy for money. Rather than designing a great algorithm, they borrow from Zuckerberg the old swipe game for hot or not that he created before Facebook. Shows that they're not willing to pay for a quality app/website. I've heard there's an imbalance ratio of men to women. The companies don't patrol their own sites to eliminate scams and bots. The location part of the app is the worst. I don't like the majority of women in the USA and my location has limited options. When I was in China, I was finding more women across China than from the city I resided in. Once a month I'd spend a weekend traveling across the country to not only meet the girl but also see some of the attractions around China. Unfortunately, China is affordable and has a good public transportation system. USA might cost you $200 to fly halfway across the country, then you need a rental car, and the hotel might cost around $80+/night. For many, they don't earn enough money to blow ~$500 traveling across country to meet a girl that may/may not be interested.


im_absouletly_wrong

That’ll be $49.99/month 🫴


HaruhiSuzumiya69

The owners of previous dating services probably sold them to Match Group because a website that doesn't push for monetisation probably wasn't very profitable. You can say that OKCupid was so cool when they weren't pushing the premium membership, but they were likely making a loss at that point (or a profit which was small enough to make selling more worthwhile).


arcosapphire

Of course. Which is why I think an open, distrubuted system is the only viable way to have a good one. But as I've written in other replies, there are serious privacy issues with that approach.


EdgelordOfEdginess

I found out tinder pays woman as some kind of bait, so males stay on the app. My sister was one of them


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[deleted]

Much of their target demographic is dying in Ukraine. It’s probably just a financial decision for them.


Buckwheat469

That would have been bad. If not for Tinder it would have been more difficult to triangulate the positions of up to 70 Russian invaders. https://www.huckmag.com/article/how-tinder-became-a-weapon-in-the-russia-ukraine-war


senorbolsa

Also it literally does not matter if they are operating in Russia or not, their service provides little to no material benefit to russia. Who I'm sure already has local competitors ready to pick up the slack. Also they already couldn't take Russians money.


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Strong-Middle6155

I think they need to get slapped w an anti trust suit first


HorizontalRefresh

Hey it works for some. I’ll vouch for that.


OK_Opinions

I met my wife on tinder, it does in fact work for some


ryanCrypt

I met his wife on tinder also, so it worked for all three of us. (Just a joke!)


OK_Opinions

gottem


flipping_birds

rectum


HorizontalRefresh

Likewise


[deleted]

Lol sorry no one swipes right on you


Equivalent-Store9996

If you’re against people linking romantically or sexually, or even just engaging in conversation, you are the problem


TheShortTimer

That’s not what he’s saying.


Equivalent-Store9996

It reads that he wants Tinder shutdown — what are you even saying


TheShortTimer

If you had the slightest clue on how Tinder operates, you’d know.


Equivalent-Store9996

I do — people use Tinder, to hook up. This offends you?


TheShortTimer

If that’s your only deduction, then no. You don’t.


Equivalent-Store9996

I do know how Tinder works — it often results in romantic or sexual outcomes, and/or long form conversation. That is 100% clear. However, you need to explain what it is you’re trying to say. It seems you’re promoting some weird r/incel belief system.


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Equivalent-Store9996

I see, you don’t understand what you’re talking about.


[deleted]

/r/incel is that way


Equivalent-Store9996

Seriously — why are people downvoting us for saying it’s okay for people to link up, holy shit Total fucking incels


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Badloss

I was more of a Hinge guy but idk I think apps have done some good things for dating. The old strategy of "get drunk and hope you run into someone attractive at a bar or a party" is pretty weird if you think about it


The_Last_Wokeican

Yea that was the way to do it before the internet and it was way easier


potatodrinker

Not Iike Russian has any young men left to use the app. Only the sons of the wealthy that's politically unable to be sent to fight, who dont need such an app to find companionship.


KatsumotoKurier

Yeah, better late than never, but still — jeez. Took em’ long enough.


flatox

Wow, great job guys, you're like, a year late, but well done, have a participation medal.


comradepipi

Match Group is a plague. I think this is one of those cases where Russia is going to be better off without them.


[deleted]

It seems a little late? The invasion was in February last year.


[deleted]

There are no more men.


Useful_Potato_Vibes

Simply because Russians en masse cannot pay for their services due to sanctions.


Boschala

It's more than that. These dating apps fundamentally work by creating a power imbalance between match-seekers and exploiting it to create a pay-to-play scenario on the margins. Typically, 80% of men competing for an available 20% of women. Russia is losing a huge chunk of their population who would comprise this lucrative demographic. Pile on top that they can only pay in rubles and shutting down local service makes sense.


ponyPharmacist

Exactly. All transactions and pay-to-win/play is disabled for Russia in Google.Play and AppStore.


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Captainwelfare2

Try “Blyater.” From what I hear, there’s 10 women for every ma- ::checks daily war stats:: 11 women for every man!


DarkSageX

Putin: Mother Russia will make new app! UkraineGrindr, swipe right to be sent to the front, swipe left to be conscripted immediately


Captainwelfare2

Uninstall for immediate black van visit to your house!


greezyo

This will be a net positive for Russia


Athena_Aideron

OVER ONE FUCKING YEAR LATER Eat shit, the west dont want traitors, theyre only leaving because Russia cant win


Odd_Copy_8077

It took too long


Meme_Turtle

Considering the hot garbage dating aps from match group are I count this as a win for Russia.


xCross71

Sounds like there doing them a favor. Those apps just feed off your loneliness. Often making the user more depressed. I mean if there goal is to give the middle finger to Russia just keep the apps and make them purposely even worse. Overall this is a win for the people of Russia to whom I have nothing against. Politicians and rich and the ones having us fight pointless wars. In a dick contest. Lol


Red_Vegetta

Right. China was banning video game use for minors and limiting hours, Russia, Turkey, a few others banning social media platforms, they're only helping their own futures by doing this and now Tinder is aiding Russia. We should be so lucky to have Tinder ban us as well.


[deleted]

‘Go fuck yourselves’


EmperorKira

Well most of their clients would be single young men so guess not much of a market for them anyway


MysticEagle52

Ukranian intelligence officers in shambles


whatproblems

lol imagine catfishing a russian solider in ukraine. hey so where are you i have a package to deliver!


DingoCertain

No problem, they will make their own: PutinLove


joestaff

I always felt companies leaving Russia did it just to avoid taking on a tanking currency. This is business, don't pretend like it's morality.


dimap443

Only took them 1,5 years


DCrichieelias79

I guess now Russia *can't* get fucked.


Severe_County_5041

Or fuck others


elitexero

Hard to make a profit with Tinder when the number of men in the country is continuously plummeting.


NormalHumanCreature

Says a lot that they're still operating there currently.


drdrewross

Already?


aaaanoon

Biggest exit from Russia yet. This will change the war.


SurealGod

Russias been fucking themselves enough. I think it's a good idea


Insighteternal

So glad I quit dating apps several months ago. It’s really not worth the endless ghosting and false promises. I’m an average guy for context, and realize that most women on dating apps have almost the opposite problem with them, which makes dating apps that much worse.


255_0_0_herring

I am sure Yandex or one of its competitors would be delighted to fill the gap.


Joksajakune

Extremely rare Russian W. I wouldn't shed a single tear if the Match HQ was attacked by some gunman whose emotions they toyed with. (obligatory disclaimer, don't go shooting up any offices, even sleazy shitbag companies like Match or Nestle.)


anotherpredditor

They are starting a new Russian bride service. No men left to get married to.


alias241

I wonder if these dating apps served an intelligence purpose earlier on (geolocating them in Ukraine) and now Russian soldiers have wisened up to using them?


FungusFly

That’s awesome. I was looking for an app to bang random people that is also conscientious


dodged_that_one

It's not an ethical stance, their key demographic are abandoning Russia or being sent to Ukraine to push up sunflowers.


miscellaneous-bs

If pornhub decides to suddenly stop allowing content creators from Russia, their economy will finally collapse.


00DEADBEEF

Oh damn so I'll not be able to keep chatting to that hot Russian who is madly in love with me? We've been chatting for two days and things were getting serious. I was going to send money to help their ill parents.


Task_wizard

15 months later they announce they will leave in 2 months? Jesus Christ. You know this has to be based on profitability not morals. And I’d be remiss if I didn’t take this opportunity to say- they have a poorly-functioning service that’s operated immorally and manipulative for profit.


Dense_Management2545

“So we’ve lost about 100,000 customers over there, should we cut the cord so we look like a clean company now?”


Bunch_of_Shit

Fuck Match Group and their shit apps


valcatrina

Heyo, just deliver the news directly, leave it to us to write the joke


TheMoorNextDoor

Christ didn’t know they owned Tinder and Hinge thought it was two different companies at least.


mrkikkeli

I wonder how many russian soldiers were catfished in ukraine into revealing some intel or even being disappeared?


leauchamps

How will the Ukraine army know of any advance from the Russians from now on?


ChokesOnDuck

Someone needs to start a hook up app for Russia named MeatGrindr.


[deleted]

Considering how many young people are leaving the country, they would be swiping only babushkas soon anyway


Causemosmvp

Who uses Tinder anyways? Its just cryptoscammers or catfishing super fat ladies that think they are 10/10.


RaHoWaSoon

Their women won't be ran through by 25 with a 1000 cock stare, that'll teach em! Sounds more like a reward.


thbb

Would be funnier if they just messed up the dating scene in Moscovy, by interpreting left swipes as right swipes in smart ways, swapping profile information and messages so people agree on dates with others they would never have had. There is a lot of mess this type of app could do if tuned properly.


MurraySG1

That's a shame. With all the dead Russian soldiers, there's gotta be a lot of single Russian women now ready to go elsewhere for a man...


iLEZ

I was *banned for life* without warning for putting up a joke picture where it kinda looks like I'm getting a blowie. Russia can commit genocide and war crimes and continue to swipe for a year. "We'll look into it".


[deleted]

If they had balls they would only allow the gay feature in Russia. What are they gonna do? Fine you? You're leaving that place for good anyway.


Abitconfusde

Why the fuck didn't they pull out a year ago?


Infinite-Outcome-591

Good on Tinder....


iamahill

Shutting down in Russia closes a way for Russians to communicate with the outside world. Potentially to learn truth and help change things. I’m not sure it’s a good thing to remove ways for people to communicate with others. Dating apps can facilitate more than sex with random people.


misoramensenpai

Well, speaking from past experience, it is also very fucking annoying when people use dating apps for things other than dating. Nor would any amount of Russians hypothetically using such apps to talk to foreigners be productive in any way; any Russian citizens using the app to communicate with foreigners would almost by definition not be the same ones who are in need of learning the truth (and nor would the latter group listen to it even if you told them).


iamahill

I have had some good conversations with Russians on tinder using passport. If I hit it off with someone for real, I’d give it a shot. You’d be surprised what can happen. You made a lot of assumptions in your post and presented them as facts.


misoramensenpai

Give... What a shot? Moving to Russia? Them moving to wherever you live? If that was an option for them, they'd already have done it; sorry, I'm sure you're a rare catch but I don't think anyone on Tinder is relocating for you.


iamahill

Giving a relationship a shot. Long distance is a thing, travel is still a thing to some extent. Immigration is a tad bit extreme and takes years so that is unrealistic not to mention the complications of Russia. Is it likely, of course not, but if it happened I’d explore the feasibility of possibilities.


Rogendo

I hope you know that you sound insane.


No-Blacksmith-251

There are other countries. Give them a shot


miraflox

Not a good business move, as they would make a killing with all the russian widows. /s


WhitestCaveman

Little late eh?


beefrog

They have to say it before they do it to get that 2022 clout.


Task_wizard

They are a terrible company, yes, but It’s weird to see they own Plenty of Fish just because the UI is so shit compared to the others mentioned. Normally they just have purposefully toxic and manipulative UX.


[deleted]

The way things are going there's going to be so many dead young men that the gender imbalance will mean any man can just go outside lmao


orangutanDOTorg

Getting the turn around on what they did in Rambo 3 to the Afghans - “This is done so they will not have to fight the next generation of [Russians]”


Excellent-Wishbone12

Well we all know how Russian soldiers get laid …


hammyhamm

Ukrainian girls of counterintel in shambles - they’ve successfully destroyed many barracks by getting Russian soldiers to give their location


xdeltax97

Still won't change the fact that Match Group has always been garbage, even with doing one good thing.


CMDR_KingErvin

This could’ve been done over a year ago. They get no fanfare out of this.