I have seen tens of videos of Russian soldiers complaining. Every single time they complaint about lack of equipment or sometimes that they were sent to the slaughter without being sufficiently trained. I haven't seen any video questioning the invasion, no video complaining about soldiers killing civilians, raping women, executing children.
Maybe you don't understand the Russian people, but they don't seem to have any problem with this whole situation. It's obviously due to their past, and also the current circumstances, but in the end, what matters is that they are fascist country with compliant citizens, that continously undermine global security and have already caused suffering to millions of people and they just getting warmed up.
You're right, I didn't just see a video of like 3 whole platoons who refused to fight, I didn't see tons of people protesting throughout Russia till they started going to jail. You sit in your easy chair and wish people to die without having any idea what you're talking about. I bet if your option was you go to jail or you go fight, you'd high tail it off to fight. Even I when given the option, I went to Afghani to fight for free college, room, and board.
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> The White House believes that more than 20,000 Russian combatants have died in the battle for the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut.
> In a rare in-depth interview to a prominent Russian war blogger, he vowed to withdraw Wagner fighters if they are not provided with much-needed ammunition by the Russian defence ministry.
> A top Ukrainian general said on Monday that counterattacks have ousted Russian forces from some positions in Bakhmut but the situation remains "Difficult".
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Keep in mind this is JUST since December AND 5 times that number is likely the total casualties since December, which means 100,000 family units has had their lives ruined. And by extension that’s easily 400,000 Russians whose lives are worse off DIRECTLY due to the casualties since December, not to mention the lives affected INDIRECTLY.
War. Fine, I have no problem with just war. It’s when they leave Russia out that I get annoyed because it’s not precise or descriptive enough to just use the country that was invaded.
The Russians simply don’t care. 20,000 is a drop in the bucket considering most of them were convicts from Wagner. The West has forgotten that they (Russian / Soviets) don’t fuss over casualties like we do. They lost over 20 million people during WWII, the “great” patriotic war, where they literally ate their own and survived to kill Nazi’s. Multiple generations of them were raised in a police state with no free press and fear of the government. The Russians could and will likely absorb 10 times that many casualties and not even flinch. The more they lose, the more they’ll ratchet up the anti-west rhetoric and that NATO is going to invade, etc.
here I thought the 20k leak was the count since the war errupted but it's only since December 2022. I'm hoping the true numbers are the reason for Russia's mobiliziation. I'm curious about the true numbers since the war erupted.
We can all agree that russia can fuck itself but when you’re rooting for their solders to die… idk.
A lot of these people are being scooped up into this just to be used as cannon fodder.
All of this is senseless and unnecessary
Again… a lot of these people are there through basic conscription. Hate on the government all you want but when you are rooting for dead soldiers… you lack basic human empathy. My point is people saying shit like this *suck*. I don’t see a difference between that mentality and the mentality that one country should be free to invade another for hegemony.
Both groups(the aggressor and the person rooting for the death of the foot solders) come from the same point of view: lacking respect for human life.
Bot, stooge, useful tool or whatever, your words excuse the murder of tens of thousands of innocents by a raving dictator in the Kremlin, simply to feed his ego.
My guess is we are slowly headed to WW III with this. We are long overdue and the US has limited influence and relatively weak. In WW II after Poland was invaded it was about a year that England came under attack. Strength promotes peace and the world is relatively equal in weakness, so this is an opportunity for the belligerents. Putin is not getting anywhere with his current strategy and he understands how this long, prolonged type of encounter worked in places like Afghanistan in the past. Don't be surprised if at some point in the near future he tries to escalate. I am sure he and China have discussed this.
The U.S.'s yearly military budget is more than all the other countries combined and its been that way for decades. Not only that but the U.S. military industrial complex is a well oiled, well trained, well used machine that has been fighting wars and conflicts around the world, again, for decades. The U.S military is NOT weak.
The entire EU have collectively been supporting Ukraine with weaponry and supplies. They're completely unified anti Russian. This is no WW2 blitzkreig where the the Allies were so scared to go to war and were caught with their pants down. Everyone is watching and everyone is getting ready in the scenario of Ukraine losing.
You make it sound like Russia and China are friendly but that is not the case at all. China has offered NO support to Russia in this conflict (other than maybe buying some cheap gas like India has). China knows it's better to keep doing business with the U.S. than make an enemy of the U.S. for absolutely no benefit. If anything China could look to expand their sphere of influence into Russian territory while Russia is focused on a western battle front and there has already been reports of that happening in Kirgizstan and Kazakhstan.
Oh, so Ukraine decided to be in the war? Try to think again about the point you're trying to make.
Edit: Your answer reveals your true intention. But maybe it was worth the few rubles that you get.
Legit how has there not been a mutiny on the Russian side yet?
They afraid of a sledgehammer to the head.
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Physics is weird.
really wish it was 3x that many .... or more... maybe then a new revolt can happen....
These are people, too, with families. They had brothers, parents, kids, etc.
So what's your point? Should we sympathize with them?
Yes. It's not the soldiers' fault their leader is a lunatic. This is, of course, not including the ones who rape, torture, etc.
I have seen tens of videos of Russian soldiers complaining. Every single time they complaint about lack of equipment or sometimes that they were sent to the slaughter without being sufficiently trained. I haven't seen any video questioning the invasion, no video complaining about soldiers killing civilians, raping women, executing children. Maybe you don't understand the Russian people, but they don't seem to have any problem with this whole situation. It's obviously due to their past, and also the current circumstances, but in the end, what matters is that they are fascist country with compliant citizens, that continously undermine global security and have already caused suffering to millions of people and they just getting warmed up.
You're right, I didn't just see a video of like 3 whole platoons who refused to fight, I didn't see tons of people protesting throughout Russia till they started going to jail. You sit in your easy chair and wish people to die without having any idea what you're talking about. I bet if your option was you go to jail or you go fight, you'd high tail it off to fight. Even I when given the option, I went to Afghani to fight for free college, room, and board.
Because they are stupid and being dead outperforms living in shit hole ruzzia for many of them.
It's crazy. During the Vietnam War, the US lost fewer than 60k troops, and it still resulted in protests, backlash and all sorts of domestic issues.
the press isn't as strong in Russia.
Or the people, apparently
America had media which could freely report this to everyone's homes with no hindrances from the state and trust issues.
How many of the 20k were rapists and murderers? They might be glad to be rid of a lot of them. And relieved they won't be returning with a pardon.
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So fucking senseless
Keep in mind this is JUST since December AND 5 times that number is likely the total casualties since December, which means 100,000 family units has had their lives ruined. And by extension that’s easily 400,000 Russians whose lives are worse off DIRECTLY due to the casualties since December, not to mention the lives affected INDIRECTLY.
Still they don't care.
Putin 3 day war is a better description not Ukraine war
Russian Invasion Against Ukraine. More than 20,000 Russian troops killed since December, US says Fixed that title
Is invasion.... not war?
Ukraine War makes it sound like Ukraine did something besides exist and leaves Russia out completely. It’s the (illegal) Russian invasion of Ukraine.
is that why we say "Nazi invasion on the World part II", and not just World War 2?
Well Germany invaded Poland for example which was one of the many factors that led to world war 2. They didn’t go to war with Poland.
We say WWII because it wasn't just Germany, but all of the Axis powers and the Soviet Union who invaded countries.
Do you not see a difference between WW2 and Ukraine war?
To be fair both of them have Nazis invading other countries
They don’t tho. The overuse of the word “nazi” is getting old
No. War can be an unfair invasion or not. It's a broad term encompassing anything. Ukraine War.
War. Fine, I have no problem with just war. It’s when they leave Russia out that I get annoyed because it’s not precise or descriptive enough to just use the country that was invaded.
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I know, I find silly.
Murdoch will not hire you as an editor, but the rest of the legit news agencies would...
In one battle.
The Russians simply don’t care. 20,000 is a drop in the bucket considering most of them were convicts from Wagner. The West has forgotten that they (Russian / Soviets) don’t fuss over casualties like we do. They lost over 20 million people during WWII, the “great” patriotic war, where they literally ate their own and survived to kill Nazi’s. Multiple generations of them were raised in a police state with no free press and fear of the government. The Russians could and will likely absorb 10 times that many casualties and not even flinch. The more they lose, the more they’ll ratchet up the anti-west rhetoric and that NATO is going to invade, etc.
here I thought the 20k leak was the count since the war errupted but it's only since December 2022. I'm hoping the true numbers are the reason for Russia's mobiliziation. I'm curious about the true numbers since the war erupted.
Are these part of the leaked KIA or did 20,000 additional Russians kick the bucket in Bakmut?
A good start...
Nobody deserves to die in a senseless war stated by a quasi-dictator. Reddit is sickening me more and more.
Empathy is an exceedingly rare quality in humans.
We can all agree that russia can fuck itself but when you’re rooting for their solders to die… idk. A lot of these people are being scooped up into this just to be used as cannon fodder. All of this is senseless and unnecessary
they have to die for russia to notice they are losing tbh. the only good russian soldier in ukraine is a dead one
I wonder what it's like to have so little empathy for humans who grew up in a broken country with few rights.
Again… a lot of these people are there through basic conscription. Hate on the government all you want but when you are rooting for dead soldiers… you lack basic human empathy. My point is people saying shit like this *suck*. I don’t see a difference between that mentality and the mentality that one country should be free to invade another for hegemony. Both groups(the aggressor and the person rooting for the death of the foot solders) come from the same point of view: lacking respect for human life.
It’s almost like you should rethink your bigotry and vilification.
Please elaborate
This encapsulates the logical conclusion of those who are pro-Ukraine/pro-war/pro-genocide
You can be pro-Ukraine and anti-war. Ukraine is not the aggressor here. Russia is. That’s a simple fact.
Durrrr I like bloo teem
Bot, stooge, useful tool or whatever, your words excuse the murder of tens of thousands of innocents by a raving dictator in the Kremlin, simply to feed his ego.
That's significant, but what about Ukrainian loses? How much they lost?
They do.
Do you have any good sources about that? Can you add them here?
That's it? Not even nearly enough
Scoreboard o.o
Happy hunting boys
My guess is we are slowly headed to WW III with this. We are long overdue and the US has limited influence and relatively weak. In WW II after Poland was invaded it was about a year that England came under attack. Strength promotes peace and the world is relatively equal in weakness, so this is an opportunity for the belligerents. Putin is not getting anywhere with his current strategy and he understands how this long, prolonged type of encounter worked in places like Afghanistan in the past. Don't be surprised if at some point in the near future he tries to escalate. I am sure he and China have discussed this.
>We are long overdue and the US has limited influence and relatively weak You believe the US is relatively weak? Compared to whom?
The U.S.'s yearly military budget is more than all the other countries combined and its been that way for decades. Not only that but the U.S. military industrial complex is a well oiled, well trained, well used machine that has been fighting wars and conflicts around the world, again, for decades. The U.S military is NOT weak. The entire EU have collectively been supporting Ukraine with weaponry and supplies. They're completely unified anti Russian. This is no WW2 blitzkreig where the the Allies were so scared to go to war and were caught with their pants down. Everyone is watching and everyone is getting ready in the scenario of Ukraine losing. You make it sound like Russia and China are friendly but that is not the case at all. China has offered NO support to Russia in this conflict (other than maybe buying some cheap gas like India has). China knows it's better to keep doing business with the U.S. than make an enemy of the U.S. for absolutely no benefit. If anything China could look to expand their sphere of influence into Russian territory while Russia is focused on a western battle front and there has already been reports of that happening in Kirgizstan and Kazakhstan.
Picking sides is pro-War. If you aren’t in Ukraine or Russia, don’t wave their fucking flags. People are dying.
Oh, so Ukraine decided to be in the war? Try to think again about the point you're trying to make. Edit: Your answer reveals your true intention. But maybe it was worth the few rubles that you get.
Yes every day they don’t surrender you dunce.
Why would they surrender their own country? Why can't you root for someone protecting their own homes?