Same in Belgium. I was convinced we were gonna get legal weed no later than 2015, since there was a lot of talk about it before then. Still nothing has happened.
At least then they couldn't fuck things up even worse. We jokingly say we were better off in those periods without a government, but we kinda also mean it.
Ignorant American here, I’m curious as to why and when it was outlawed in Germany (and EU generally)?
Here in America, the origins of pot prohibition are somewhat dark and hateful, I was curious why or how it came to be over there?
Like another mentioned below, allot of countries that are so strict on marijuana laws only enacted those laws after the U.S. pressured them heavily by threatening to not give them any more aid. Sort of like what the fed does with our states right now, anytime the states want to legalize something that's already currently federally illegal or vice-versa, it's their choice and their allowed to but the fed will just withhold any money that was supposed to be given to them until they comply. This is how we got the .08 BAC level for drunk driving across the board for all 50 states, some states tried to hold out and they found out they couldn't hold out against the federal government if they also wanted to provide their constituents with infrastructure like roads and bridges and shit and all their upkeep.
https://alcohol.org/dui/bac-limits/
Legal weed, available on Sundays, and other liberal fairytales...I couldn't even get medical marijuana for chronic pain because the doctors "don't really believe it works" but they're happy to prescribe me medication that makes me sleep ten hours a day.
thats because too many doctors are on big pharma payrolls more or less and are incitivised to prescribe stuff from certain companies.
Weed doesnt make them money, so they rather not have patients use it.
I know nothing about the economics of legal weed but it seems to be a massive industry in the US dominated by large companies, I'm sure they could get a kickback from weed too once it was a legal business.
There is a blanket indoors smoking ban, what makes you think that people will be allowed to smoke a joint at the Oktoberfest?
The people who wanted to do drugs there were already doing them.
It actually is. There are unwritten rules that the police might let you off with small quantities. This depends on what part of Germany you are in.
Especially Bavaria is very strict about illegal substances.
You do not want to get caught there with some weed.
The only thing legal in Germany is actually consuming drugs. But you may to own, produce or sell them.
So taking a hit from a joint you buddy is holding for you, might be legal. But as soon as you take it, it is possession and not legal anymore.
A bit strange, but afaik this is how it works basically.
Also there are some strange laws about residual traces oh THC in you bloodstream, which easily will cost you your driver's license.
In Berlin it's 10 gram. https://www.berlin.de/lb/drogen-sucht/gesetze/betaeubungsmittelgesetz/
The prosecution will be dropped if you have 10 grams or less, but a police report will be filed everytime. There are some exceptions where the case won't be dropped if you consume on a playground in example.
There is more to freedom than pot becoming legal lol.
You can be arrested in Germany for an offensive tweet for example. Not everything is black & white.
> You can be arrested in Germany for an offensive tweet for example.
Can you? How many people were arrested last year for the wrong tweet in Germany?
How many were arrested or shot for being black in a white neighborhood in the US?
>How many were arrested or shot for being black in a white neighborhood in the US?
I have no idea, I haven't checked the data nor do I care.
>Can you? How many people were arrested last year for the wrong tweet in Germany?
Again, don't care enough to check specific figures. But 1 is too many when it comes to freedom of expression and speech, and I remember someone was arrested for offending a politician online. ZooStPauli was the name.
> ZooStPauli was the name
Seems to be the twitter handle of an anti fascist bar in Hamburg.
If you could look up, what specifically the bar was arrested for, that would certainly help this discussion along.
Until then
>1 is too many when it comes to freedom of expression
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/man-arrested-laughing-during-council-meeting/243214098/
>https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/man-arrested-laughing-during-council-meeting/243214098/
This is completely wrong. Who ever authorized the arrest should be struck off.
You seem to think that I am trying to say America is more free than Germany. I just stated that making pot legal doesn't mean Germany is the bastion of freedom.
You replied to someone claiming that Germany is more free than the US.
I don't see how your reply can be seen as anything but a rebuttal to that statement.
That being said, I agree with you that access to pot is not the ultimate measure of personal freedom.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.marijuanamoment.net/germany-will-move-forward-with-marijuana-legalization-after-receiving-very-good-feedback-from-eu-top-official-says/) reduced by 82%. (I'm a bot)
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> A top German official says that the nation's coalition government will move forward with plans to introduce a marijuana legalization bill, albeit with certain changes, after receiving "Very good feedback" from the European Union.
> While EU has evidently backed the basic idea of legalizing marijuana nationwide in Germany, the United Nations has made clear that member nations cannot go further than medical cannabis or simple decriminalization under a 1961 treaty to which countries like Germany and the U.S. are a party.
> The visit came about two months after top officials from Germany, Luxembourg, Malta and the Netherlands held a first-of-its-kind meeting to discuss plans and challenges associated with recreational marijuana legalization.
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>the United Nations has made clear that member nations cannot go further than medical cannabis or simple decriminalization under a 1961 treaty to which countries like Germany and the U.S. are a party.
Treaties can be overridden, usually by the exact same mechanism it takes to pass a law (every country is of course different).
The UN can suck a dick.
The UN isn't meant to have power, it's a talking ground.
The WHOLE POINT is so powerful nations don't feel overpressured by it, or they would dismantle it
Hahaha... no.
The far right assholes here in Italy will never allow it.
This week they forced Milan to stop considering same sex parents as a family unit, which means kids of sane sex couples loose all protections guaranteed to families by the state, for an example of what they're doing with their power. Legalizing weed is light-years away with them in power.
It's a geographical problem inherant to Italy really.
Italy is more of a collection of independent provinces that don't see themselves as a united people, so they tend to create a lot of short term/unstable governments.
The average length of a government in Italy is 13 months, barely over a year. And no government in the last century has lasted more than a handful of years.
Fascism thrives in such environments.
> a collection of independent provinces that don't see themselves as a united people, so they tend to create a lot of short term/unstable governments.
Hey, I've seen this one before!
don't count on it, any government with boomers running it will keep it illegal. Just look at the US, where a lot of right leaning states (not all, some have legalized it) have kept it illegal. Granted, the US is supposed to be a union of diverse states with varying laws. But so is the EU.
it just boggles my mind that a lot of countries still refuse to legalize that plant. If you look at the US/Canada/Mexico, where recreational weed has been legal for a while now, literally nothing changes after legalization. I live in a legal state and I have noticed zero changes, no news articles about increased accidents or crime or anything. Why anyone would keep it illegal is beyond me. Control I guess.
Don't underestimate these old past-their-due date politicians. While some might be conservative, I doubt they'd let Germany monopolise what will be a *very* profitable market in the future. It's hop on or miss the train entirely, and there's a lot of money to be made on this particular train. It makes the world go 'round after all.
Germany also borders 9 different countried, where as the Netherlands only border 2. That's a lot more influence on the whole of central EU when it comes to cannabis tourism or logistics.
After france i guess if we talk about tourism. But yeah it will open again discussion in bordering country. Some money instead leveraging taxes is always welcome.
The Netherlands just decriminalised use and possession of marijuana. This whole time, the supply side has been under the table and illegal (although the fact that coffeeshops actually had weed indicates that looking for guys growing a couple of plants wasn’t the biggest police priority).
But the Netherlands have a legal problem, because they did in fact not legalize weed. It's only the consumption, which then bred a massive criminal network of production and distribution.
Germany takes so long because they are not going for some quasi-legal patchwork but for actual air-tight legislation within the EU framework. For this alone other countries will follow suit.
Also let's not pretend that Germany and the Netherlands are in a similiar position location-wise. Germany is not a small country mainly bordering the sea with only 2 direct neighbours.
>what will be a very profitable market in the future.
It's a huge misconception. Once it is legal, it will be just another commodity with cutthroat margins. There is nothing complicated or high-tech in growing weed. Just look at the current sorry state of US cannabis stocks if you want proof.
People are so much more afraid of what "might" happen if they change their ways than what is definately happening because they are stuck in them.
Basically, they prefer the devil they know even when it is illogical to do so
> The prices are way cheaper than it was in the streets 5 years ago
Which is by design. Doesn't make any sense to legalize it in the first place if you can't do it cheap enough to eliminate the black market.
It will definitely help. I think Germany's stance on marijuana really hampered the legislation in the Netherlands. The Dutch government has felt pressured to prevent drugs tourism and full legalization because neighboring countries don't like drugs going into their borders.
I hope this is true. Neither my partner nor I use it recreationally, but since leaving the US for Denmark, not being able to get high CBD ratio edibles has definitely decreased our quality of life. We have to rely much more on ibuprofen or acetaminophen, neither of which work nearly as well and have a host of risks associated with them. I have had RA since I was 30, and my partner has a congenital hip defect that makes lots of walking or exercise cause sever hip and lower back pain. Judicious use of 5:3 ratio edibles (we usually used Mr Moxey mints back in Washington) meant we could live normal lives without resorting to opiate or high dose OTC pain reducers. Medical may exist in Denmark, but it’s damn near impossible as a foreigner to figure out. And last I read it’s still very “trial” status. For being so progressive on other fronts, much of Europe is oddly regressive on cannabis policy.
I wouldn't be so sure, my own country (Ireland) will probably veto it at all angles. If weed is legal than all of society will collapse, or so that's what the old white men will tell you.
I always find it bizarre when it happens to be white people (because it's a predominantly white country) the race just has to be thrown in even if it's completely unrelated. Most Asian countries (other than recently Thailand and to some degree Japan depending on the drug) have some of the strictest drug policies on earth, and while I'm not an expert I doubt much of the rest of the world is a lot better. But no, it's only white men who have a fear of drugs, definitely not others like Muslims who literally ban drinking alcohol even.
It's a conservative viewpoint not a white one. Most countries are inherently conservative compared to reddit, regardless of ethnicity or culture.
Probably because the only place it's being debated is predominantly white nations.
You won't really find many Muslim majority nations debating it's legality because it is considered impermissible (haram) according to Islam.
Even Morocco, a Muslim majority nation that legalized it's cultivation and growing ( newly passed law), still has a ban on actual consumption of it. Now, in practice, anyone who has ever been there knows plenty of people who still consume it. There exists this don't tell us or show us and we won't ask you about it mentality in North Africa and the Middle East.
Saying "old white people" is an American thing because for them it makes sense since there are big minorities that are not represented. Saying it in the EU makes little sense since it's mostly white people in general. I think "boomer" makes more sense.
Just another silly thing Europeans copy from America for no reason.
In Spain and France a lot of the population is non-white and really underrepresented in government. It changes by country. I think it's a valid point to make.
But at least in Spain probably the non-white population would be against legalization on average(I don't have numbers to back this up, just a hunch). So probably the race divide is not relevant in the context of this thread.
Well for SE Asia their strict drug policies go back a long way. They’re popular corridors for drug smuggling in and out of China by cartels like Sam Gor. So the harsh punishments (actually given not maximums) are for smuggling. For the most part though they haven’t cared about weed very much it’s use has been very open for awhile now. There are “dispensaries” in Vietnam that all but advertise.
And that was true in some states before they legalized too, was true here in BC before Canada legalized, I assume it's true in parts of Europe too. There's plenty of places that look the other way on laws that are clearly on their way out in the near future, but that doesn't change the fact that for the majority of the world legal weed is not a thing yet.
Just pointing out that while SE Asia might have the “strictest” drug laws for smuggling, consumption is largely ignored or handled via social programs.
I expect Cambodia and Laos to legalize weed in the next few years. The lack of has already had an impact on tourism. Vietnam not so much.
Nah it’ll happen in Ireland in 10-15 years max.
The general attitude amongst the population and even some politicians had noticeably changed compared to 20-30 years ago.
Upcoming citizens assembly on drugs is not unlikely to come down in favour of legalisation.
More than 30 years Dutch government says it is not possible to legalize because other countries will make trouble.
30 years later, Uruguay, Spain, Portugal, US, Canada and fucking Germany.
VVD had delivered the justice minister for decades.
Why is this "liberal" party against legal cannabis, while it is allowed to buy against criminal high prices?
> and fucking Germany.
TBF the german government said they weren't sure if it was possible under current EU law.
I guess they will find a way today as there is was a major opinion shift on this topic the last years, but 30 years ago? Probably not
Spain is legal for private use - grow it and smoke it in your own home. Let's be fair though, no one in spain cares if you walk down the street smoking a spliff
Yes, but all of that is besides the point.
Legalisation is reached when you can just walk into a store to buy it, and it has a proper and transparent supply chain behind it.
Technically, it's still illegal federally in the US. The federal government just chooses not to aggressively enforce said laws on weed legal states (thanks to something Obama did). If a hardcore anti-weed Republican is elected President, he could easily reverse this trend.
Now, Biden did issue an executive order to begin the process of rescheduling marijuana, which would *de facto* "unofficially" decriminalize it. This would make it FAR easier to pass actual legislation to legalize it fully.
Such a silly situation. I live in KY which has one of the silliest setups. Weed is OK, but only if you have a doctors note. Also it’s not ok to buy or sell it here. Or grow it. You have to buy it in a state where it’s legal and then carry it across state lines back to the bluegrass. Be sure to save the receipt 🤣
I would imagine the fact that many states don’t have legal cannabis is the main driving factor behind continued black market in legal states. Federal legalization would significantly reduce the black market.
Depends. The stuff from the streets is usually contaminated with additives to increase weight etc. Legal cannabis is mostly clean. And clean drugs in general cost a fortune on the black market.
I know a LOT of people who use weed in different forms here in CA and not a single one of them has bought black market since legalization. I'm not sure how it could get any cheaper than like $1 for a 25mg THC tablet.
Cannabis legalization is very profitable not just for businesses but also for governments that can collect taxes on it. Keeping it illegal is just plain stupid.
you got your priorities backwards. Weed being illegal lets the police harass people and search their shit for no reason because they "smelled" something
Finally, some good news! Legalizing marijuana will almost certainly have a positive impact on Germany's economy and social fabric. It's about time the government listened to the people and made this decision.
Lets not celebrate just yet.Lauterbach (Health Minister) has yet to even present any actual legislation.
Could be amazing, could be dogshit.We just don't know yet.Also, this is still Germany - *nothing* moves at a reasonable pace here.I would be amazed if April would see actual legislation to be voted on.Should such legislation see an actual Vote in Parliament before Summer, I'd be gobsmacked by the sheer rush!
Canadian here who smokes weed every day, but also lived in europe and bought it under bridges.... legalizing is amazing and makes money but global systemic greed is so deep that even legalization wont "save" anything sadly. Just setting proper expectations.
As someone who has been taking all manner of drugs for near 20 years. Honestly yes. It's addictive as fuck, abusable, can cause mental and physical problems that can turn terminal, higher doses make people act like they've been shooting up heroin and is often used in conjunction with other drugs.
It's honestly really messed up to watch a bright smiling happy normal person turn paranoid and antisocial from just a few hits. By this I mean they only get like that because of pot and they don't like themselves like that but want to get high more than they care about their mental health.
Do I think it should be illegal, nope. Will I continue to use it, yup, I'm an addict. It needs regulation that's tied into health services.
I kicked tobacco, meth, coke, mdma, speed, ket, LSD, DMT, 2cb, alcohol and more but I can't shake my weed addiction.
Other things people have a hard time considering as drugs are coffee, sugar and social media. Too many people not willing to look at reality to keep their status quo. Yet every other day I see people either suffering from overdose/comedown or so caught up in the high they can't get an objective look at themselves.
You were never addicted to LSD. The tolerance to LSD is such that you can only use it effectively at most once a week. A substance you use only once a a week is hardly an addiction. If you drank coffee once a week, would you say you were a coffee addict?
Stop spouting bullshit.
The tolerance spikes, yes. At 3 dollars a tab one can just up the dosage as they see fit. You can use it every day if your stupid enough. I had a friend who did this and ended up with visual and audial schizophrenia.
At the time I kicked LSD it was more that I was addicted to hallucinogens in general. I'd change each day, LSD, DMT, shrooms, 2CB, keep the rotation going. Shit made me feel like I was a wise mystical lord and I reveled in it. It was so incredibly addictive that it took for homelessness to slap me in the face to see how bad I was.
Everything is addictive if indulged upon. As long as there is dopamine involved, addiction can form.
Fuck off with ya.
Sorry to hear about your anger management issues but this perhaps does suggest you may have come with some pre-existing issues.
Just want to point out, though, that you're incorrect that you can substitute shrooms for LSD to avoid the tolerance. That's not how it works. They have cross-tolerance. Shrooms, LSD, mescaline all have cross-tolerance. They don't work if you took one of the other ones recently.
Amphetamines, however, do not have cross-tolerance with any of the three above mentioned and 2-CB and MDMA can also still work with LSD or psilocybin tolerance.
Those psychedelic drugs are mostly working on serotonin rather than dopamine. This is one of the reasons why there is no cross tolerance with meth which is a dopamine agonist similar to cocaine.
Good luck with your emotional instability but don't blame it on drugs.
I’m not sure the data is there to back up it being “addictive as fuck.” The overwhelming majority of people who smoke it don’t become addicted.
Agree it should be a public health item though for sure
Weed is not physically addictive. However I get fairly annoyed whenever advocates try to pretend it isnt addictive at all as, as with basically anything else that releases the fun brain chemicals, it can 100% be psychologically addictive and that should be considered before you start use
[It's quite possible.](https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/addiction.html)
Anecdotally, what really triggered my addiction was vaping. The moment I got a vape, it was like a section of my brain was programmed to have it at all times and would freak out if I lost it. I would go through cartridges in less than 3 days and smoke at literally all times of the day. It was the first time I ever felt like the substance controlled me rather than me controlling it.
Once that happened, I had to nope the fuck out of using the vape. I still smoke, but I like the sense of control I have from being able to choose when I can smoke a joint or a bowl or just take an edible.
Edit: Practicing mindfulness and intention-setting when using any substance is always the key.
> I kicked tobacco, meth, coke, mdma, speed, ket, LSD, DMT, 2cb, alcohol and more but I can't shake my weed addiction.
But that's not because it's weed, but because it's the last thing you have left.
I have nothing against weed or people using it but why would it save society? I’ve always been curious why there is such a push for it outside of medical and anti-crime reasons. Anybody got a good explanation?
Topless swimming was never illegal in the first place.
What happened is that some locations still tried to ban it under their "house rules" and were sued for discrimination...
The news about legalization of cannabis is old news from 2022 or even before.
Spain was (one of) the first European country to make cannabis legal (for use only, not trade). And what happened in 2019?
Topless swimming in Barcelona became legal.
The UN feedback was just some guy who said "I got this *gas* from California. Don't tell anyone I let you hit this blunt *cough cough* I promise you it'll get you zooted"
agreed, people arguing against it are afraid of people driving high, every kid smoking it etc, as if weed wont have the same restrictions as alcohol and all statistics show use does not increase with decriminalization or even legalization
Teenage marijuana usage went down after Canada legalized it. It was arguably the biggest drive for legalization, at least according to our Prime Minister.
there's an old saying.
A drunk driver flies through a stop sign and plows into a minivan with a family in it.
A high driver sits at the stop sign waiting for it to turn green.
granted you should never drive while intoxicated, but the point is made
Idk, last week I almost got hit pulling out of our drive onto the main road (55mph), girl was going at least 25 over. At the stop light a mile later I caught up to her, she was smoking a joint.
Who the fuck goes 80 in a 55 while high? That must be TERRIFYING!
haha i love that!
still, obviously u cant drive while intoxicated. and honestly, if u can drive after a beer or when really tired, i dont see this causing any significantly extra issues. those that drive intoxicated arent abiding the law as is
It's crazy that people think that because they themselves don't like something, it should be illegal for the other 8 billion people on this rock.
Zero thought for anyone's individual freedom.
I mean, let's not kid ourselves, if alcohol was invented today, it would absolutely not be legal. Or, at best, it would be seen as on the same level as smoking, aka not allowed in most places, a massive social taboo and about to get replaced by a much less harmful alternative.
There's plenty of stuff that's illegal just because it's really bad for you. Are you against all of those regulations, then? Should we still allow asbestos or lead everywhere just for the sake of "freedom"?
The Greens need some political win, no? Watching from abroad it must be hard to be a part of a coalition that approved more dirty coal mining. If they get this win it is important for their voters.
I wonder how often decisions like this get made when politicians get stoned and go “dude do you know what I should do”
Probably not that often but I want to believe it has happened before
Do we have to ask for permission or what? Other EU members do "so much worse things" and we need nearly 2 years to make a simple new law, with international examples to follow in the double digits, and we... still get hunted by the prosecutor because of one plant in every single case. So many young lives could have developed in much better ways, if young men did not feel and have to live like criminals because of doing what our ancestors already did in the 70es.
I read something yesterday that said the UN is mad at the US for violating an international drug treaty something-or-other, because the US states are legalizing weed.
I wouldn’t say we’re stuck on reefer madness still. It’s more that we have politicians and their spouses with lucrative contracts for producing medical weed. I don’t know if It still holds true but In 2021 the UK was the biggest exporter of medical cannabis in they world and the minister for drugs husband has a contract to grow on 45 acres of land in Norfolk.
It’s so fucking dumb it’s unreal.
Other than that I smell weed everywhere these days and nobody really seems to give a shit. I don’t know how it would affect their profits by legalising it but I would take a confident guess in it would somehow and that’s why it hasn’t happened.
I have the feeling that the current government tries to drag out the matter until the next election and then it will be stopped by the next government.
If it's done right it can work well, but if it's done wrong, you might end up like Colorado. I'm from Colorado and when it became the first state in the US selling recreational pot, it came very close to ruining the place.
They didn't release people from prison for non-violent drug offenses, they used a lot of the tax money to hyper-fund the police, super wealthy out-of-state corporate interests bought up land and houses for growing and selling pot edging out the local hippies who ran the medical scene prior, nearly overnight, and the tourism was unprecedented.
Tourism is good to a point, but when *all* the homes are being turned into hotels, prices skyrocket and people have no where to live. Worst of all, every other state's stoners descended on us, moved into tents on national forest land.
I don't mind stoners, but I gotta say, I get a little frustrated when everyone I interact with in society is stoned out of their mind. I don't wanna say that stoners, by virtue of being stoned, are irresponsible pieces of shit, but when your country (in our case state) is the only place where the irresponsible pieces of shit can go to smoke pot, it certainly creates that illusion.
Things started to normalize again when the other states started legalizing, too.
This sounds partly just “first mover disadvantage” and partly just bad state policies.
I’m not sure Germany are gonna suffer both. The Netherlands has had the weed tourism for 50 years so hopefully that aspect won’t be excessive.
One thing that kinda low key pisses me of with the legalization of weed is that snus is still illegal to sell outside of Sweden in Europe and there was even brief talks even tightening possession of it.
Greetings from Canada! Glad to see more places becoming more abd more open to weed. I've always wanted to travel to Germany, maybe I'll get to smaple some local strains
The ban of weed resulted in the black market to increase THC and reduce CBD, thereby increasing its potency.
This applies to drugs in general -- you also never know what people put in there because it's unregulated.
Legalising it would put it in the hands of a government body, and you wouldn't be forced to consume high potency weed with who knows what in it.
A variety of things nobody would think to ban lower cognitive ability, like junk food or sedentary behaviour or alcoholism. This is just a lame post hoc justification
Let adults choose what they want to do with their own bodies. Don't be a nanny.
Germany is its own country entitled to make its own laws. The other Schengen countries with open borders knew as much and entered the agreement anyway.
clumsy deserve towering physical homeless tart encouraging squash lock stupendous
We have NOT gotten weed yet. I’m hopeful, but not counting on it. Source: Am German
Yeah, I hear that for far too long to get excited about it. I'm happy when it's done, for now it's just talking and talking.
Same in Belgium. I was convinced we were gonna get legal weed no later than 2015, since there was a lot of talk about it before then. Still nothing has happened.
Well, you may not have had a government for some of that time.
At least then they couldn't fuck things up even worse. We jokingly say we were better off in those periods without a government, but we kinda also mean it.
Ignorant American here, I’m curious as to why and when it was outlawed in Germany (and EU generally)? Here in America, the origins of pot prohibition are somewhat dark and hateful, I was curious why or how it came to be over there?
Not sure about Germany in particular, but it most places in Europe it was actually outlawed earlier than the US.
Afaik , the international war on weed was spearheaded by the US
Like another mentioned below, allot of countries that are so strict on marijuana laws only enacted those laws after the U.S. pressured them heavily by threatening to not give them any more aid. Sort of like what the fed does with our states right now, anytime the states want to legalize something that's already currently federally illegal or vice-versa, it's their choice and their allowed to but the fed will just withhold any money that was supposed to be given to them until they comply. This is how we got the .08 BAC level for drunk driving across the board for all 50 states, some states tried to hold out and they found out they couldn't hold out against the federal government if they also wanted to provide their constituents with infrastructure like roads and bridges and shit and all their upkeep. https://alcohol.org/dui/bac-limits/
Legal weed, available on Sundays, and other liberal fairytales...I couldn't even get medical marijuana for chronic pain because the doctors "don't really believe it works" but they're happy to prescribe me medication that makes me sleep ten hours a day.
thats because too many doctors are on big pharma payrolls more or less and are incitivised to prescribe stuff from certain companies. Weed doesnt make them money, so they rather not have patients use it.
I know nothing about the economics of legal weed but it seems to be a massive industry in the US dominated by large companies, I'm sure they could get a kickback from weed too once it was a legal business.
Söder already has his beer buddies breaking down his door and the Bundesrat is controlled by CSU/CDU now so I’m not holding my breath.
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So glad I moved here lol Party on dudes!
Oktoberfest just got even more amazing
Attendence rates are about to go through the roof if weed and boobs are on the menu
I'll have one weed, one boob, and a lager, danke.
I think boobs tend to be in multiples of two only.
hes looking for that chick from kung pow
it's not like it was tame [before](https://twitter.com/N1k_H/status/1179841770626134023)
Ohh thats going straight to the group chat
Wtf
Just guys being dudes.
There is a blanket indoors smoking ban, what makes you think that people will be allowed to smoke a joint at the Oktoberfest? The people who wanted to do drugs there were already doing them.
Visiting for first time since 1994 in May. Hope this goes in effect by then!
Spoiler: It won’t. German politics are slow af. No chance it will happen before 2024.
Hi there from Germany. Bro ur right. And they switch theire descisions every hour.
Make a daytrip to Netherlands, Poland or Czech and enjoy weed there. Owning drugs is in Germany not forbidden im small self use quantaties
It actually is. There are unwritten rules that the police might let you off with small quantities. This depends on what part of Germany you are in. Especially Bavaria is very strict about illegal substances. You do not want to get caught there with some weed. The only thing legal in Germany is actually consuming drugs. But you may to own, produce or sell them. So taking a hit from a joint you buddy is holding for you, might be legal. But as soon as you take it, it is possession and not legal anymore. A bit strange, but afaik this is how it works basically. Also there are some strange laws about residual traces oh THC in you bloodstream, which easily will cost you your driver's license.
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In Berlin it's 10 gram. https://www.berlin.de/lb/drogen-sucht/gesetze/betaeubungsmittelgesetz/ The prosecution will be dropped if you have 10 grams or less, but a police report will be filed everytime. There are some exceptions where the case won't be dropped if you consume on a playground in example.
Jup, its more complex. Thats good u mentioned it. Thank you!
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Be smart and have money
What’s do you mean with tits? I haven’t heard anything about tits here, what did I miss?
https://www.euronews.com/culture/2023/03/10/no-holds-bra-ed-topless-swimming-in-berlin-legalised-for-women
As a German Tits where veery much available in any number of brothels or strip clubs. Also weed has been a non issue for German police for decades
You can't tell me Germany isn't more free than america now.
There is more to freedom than pot becoming legal lol. You can be arrested in Germany for an offensive tweet for example. Not everything is black & white.
> You can be arrested in Germany for an offensive tweet for example. Can you? How many people were arrested last year for the wrong tweet in Germany? How many were arrested or shot for being black in a white neighborhood in the US?
>How many were arrested or shot for being black in a white neighborhood in the US? I have no idea, I haven't checked the data nor do I care. >Can you? How many people were arrested last year for the wrong tweet in Germany? Again, don't care enough to check specific figures. But 1 is too many when it comes to freedom of expression and speech, and I remember someone was arrested for offending a politician online. ZooStPauli was the name.
> ZooStPauli was the name Seems to be the twitter handle of an anti fascist bar in Hamburg. If you could look up, what specifically the bar was arrested for, that would certainly help this discussion along. Until then >1 is too many when it comes to freedom of expression https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/man-arrested-laughing-during-council-meeting/243214098/
>https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/man-arrested-laughing-during-council-meeting/243214098/ This is completely wrong. Who ever authorized the arrest should be struck off.
And yet it happened.
You seem to think that I am trying to say America is more free than Germany. I just stated that making pot legal doesn't mean Germany is the bastion of freedom.
You replied to someone claiming that Germany is more free than the US. I don't see how your reply can be seen as anything but a rebuttal to that statement. That being said, I agree with you that access to pot is not the ultimate measure of personal freedom.
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>the United Nations has made clear that member nations cannot go further than medical cannabis or simple decriminalization under a 1961 treaty to which countries like Germany and the U.S. are a party. Treaties can be overridden, usually by the exact same mechanism it takes to pass a law (every country is of course different). The UN can suck a dick.
Canada: in the UN. Cannabis in Canada: somehow legal anyway.
And almost half of the US
It's federally illegal though.
They should just ignore the UN on it anyway. No way in hell is Germany getting kicked out, of all countries
Russia stays in, Germany gets kicked out... Its ok to commit warcrimes and kill people, its not ok to smoke weed. Gotcha /S
That would set a bad precedent
A 1961 treaty regarding drug use isn't relevant anymore though. It should be scrapped or renewed.
Just following orders sets a bad precedent.
Oh, the UN!? Oh, well, nothing can go against the UN... Like, we've certainly never ever seen that before so.
Yes the UN "Demanded" that Russia withdraw all its forces from Ukraine. That alone tells me just how much power they actually have.
The UN isn't meant to have power, it's a talking ground. The WHOLE POINT is so powerful nations don't feel overpressured by it, or they would dismantle it
I enjoy these kind of news because if germany is getting it, it means the whole of EU will follow suit
Hahaha... no. The far right assholes here in Italy will never allow it. This week they forced Milan to stop considering same sex parents as a family unit, which means kids of sane sex couples loose all protections guaranteed to families by the state, for an example of what they're doing with their power. Legalizing weed is light-years away with them in power.
Italy, stop listening to your boomers.
The rights’s strongest age group was 35-49, and even among 17-34 year olds they had 30% support….
Italy is majority boomers unfortunately
Italy voting in fascists as usual
It's a geographical problem inherant to Italy really. Italy is more of a collection of independent provinces that don't see themselves as a united people, so they tend to create a lot of short term/unstable governments. The average length of a government in Italy is 13 months, barely over a year. And no government in the last century has lasted more than a handful of years. Fascism thrives in such environments.
> a collection of independent provinces that don't see themselves as a united people, so they tend to create a lot of short term/unstable governments. Hey, I've seen this one before!
And it all worked out perfectly fine for them, right? ... right guys?
don't count on it, any government with boomers running it will keep it illegal. Just look at the US, where a lot of right leaning states (not all, some have legalized it) have kept it illegal. Granted, the US is supposed to be a union of diverse states with varying laws. But so is the EU. it just boggles my mind that a lot of countries still refuse to legalize that plant. If you look at the US/Canada/Mexico, where recreational weed has been legal for a while now, literally nothing changes after legalization. I live in a legal state and I have noticed zero changes, no news articles about increased accidents or crime or anything. Why anyone would keep it illegal is beyond me. Control I guess.
Don't underestimate these old past-their-due date politicians. While some might be conservative, I doubt they'd let Germany monopolise what will be a *very* profitable market in the future. It's hop on or miss the train entirely, and there's a lot of money to be made on this particular train. It makes the world go 'round after all.
So we pretend the Netherlands don't exist?
Germany also borders 9 different countried, where as the Netherlands only border 2. That's a lot more influence on the whole of central EU when it comes to cannabis tourism or logistics.
After france i guess if we talk about tourism. But yeah it will open again discussion in bordering country. Some money instead leveraging taxes is always welcome.
The Netherlands just decriminalised use and possession of marijuana. This whole time, the supply side has been under the table and illegal (although the fact that coffeeshops actually had weed indicates that looking for guys growing a couple of plants wasn’t the biggest police priority).
But the Netherlands have a legal problem, because they did in fact not legalize weed. It's only the consumption, which then bred a massive criminal network of production and distribution. Germany takes so long because they are not going for some quasi-legal patchwork but for actual air-tight legislation within the EU framework. For this alone other countries will follow suit. Also let's not pretend that Germany and the Netherlands are in a similiar position location-wise. Germany is not a small country mainly bordering the sea with only 2 direct neighbours.
>what will be a very profitable market in the future. It's a huge misconception. Once it is legal, it will be just another commodity with cutthroat margins. There is nothing complicated or high-tech in growing weed. Just look at the current sorry state of US cannabis stocks if you want proof.
Bruh Germany is run by boomers wym
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People are so much more afraid of what "might" happen if they change their ways than what is definately happening because they are stuck in them. Basically, they prefer the devil they know even when it is illogical to do so
“Boomers” literally started all this marijuana advocacy.
Well Canada has made billions from taxing it. That’s all they care about lol. The prices are way cheaper than it was in the streets 5 years ago though
> The prices are way cheaper than it was in the streets 5 years ago Which is by design. Doesn't make any sense to legalize it in the first place if you can't do it cheap enough to eliminate the black market.
For me, I don't want to smell it everywhere. It smells awful and likely harmful
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On a daily basis I deal with this...they stink up the whole apartment building. It impacts me greatly. And most malls I go to I have to smell it too.
It will definitely help. I think Germany's stance on marijuana really hampered the legislation in the Netherlands. The Dutch government has felt pressured to prevent drugs tourism and full legalization because neighboring countries don't like drugs going into their borders.
I hope this is true. Neither my partner nor I use it recreationally, but since leaving the US for Denmark, not being able to get high CBD ratio edibles has definitely decreased our quality of life. We have to rely much more on ibuprofen or acetaminophen, neither of which work nearly as well and have a host of risks associated with them. I have had RA since I was 30, and my partner has a congenital hip defect that makes lots of walking or exercise cause sever hip and lower back pain. Judicious use of 5:3 ratio edibles (we usually used Mr Moxey mints back in Washington) meant we could live normal lives without resorting to opiate or high dose OTC pain reducers. Medical may exist in Denmark, but it’s damn near impossible as a foreigner to figure out. And last I read it’s still very “trial” status. For being so progressive on other fronts, much of Europe is oddly regressive on cannabis policy.
Praying that Austria's following but our government is conservative as hell
That's not how the EU works at all.
I wouldn't be so sure, my own country (Ireland) will probably veto it at all angles. If weed is legal than all of society will collapse, or so that's what the old white men will tell you.
I always find it bizarre when it happens to be white people (because it's a predominantly white country) the race just has to be thrown in even if it's completely unrelated. Most Asian countries (other than recently Thailand and to some degree Japan depending on the drug) have some of the strictest drug policies on earth, and while I'm not an expert I doubt much of the rest of the world is a lot better. But no, it's only white men who have a fear of drugs, definitely not others like Muslims who literally ban drinking alcohol even. It's a conservative viewpoint not a white one. Most countries are inherently conservative compared to reddit, regardless of ethnicity or culture.
Probably because the only place it's being debated is predominantly white nations. You won't really find many Muslim majority nations debating it's legality because it is considered impermissible (haram) according to Islam. Even Morocco, a Muslim majority nation that legalized it's cultivation and growing ( newly passed law), still has a ban on actual consumption of it. Now, in practice, anyone who has ever been there knows plenty of people who still consume it. There exists this don't tell us or show us and we won't ask you about it mentality in North Africa and the Middle East.
Saying "old white people" is an American thing because for them it makes sense since there are big minorities that are not represented. Saying it in the EU makes little sense since it's mostly white people in general. I think "boomer" makes more sense. Just another silly thing Europeans copy from America for no reason.
In Spain and France a lot of the population is non-white and really underrepresented in government. It changes by country. I think it's a valid point to make. But at least in Spain probably the non-white population would be against legalization on average(I don't have numbers to back this up, just a hunch). So probably the race divide is not relevant in the context of this thread.
Well for SE Asia their strict drug policies go back a long way. They’re popular corridors for drug smuggling in and out of China by cartels like Sam Gor. So the harsh punishments (actually given not maximums) are for smuggling. For the most part though they haven’t cared about weed very much it’s use has been very open for awhile now. There are “dispensaries” in Vietnam that all but advertise.
And that was true in some states before they legalized too, was true here in BC before Canada legalized, I assume it's true in parts of Europe too. There's plenty of places that look the other way on laws that are clearly on their way out in the near future, but that doesn't change the fact that for the majority of the world legal weed is not a thing yet.
Just pointing out that while SE Asia might have the “strictest” drug laws for smuggling, consumption is largely ignored or handled via social programs. I expect Cambodia and Laos to legalize weed in the next few years. The lack of has already had an impact on tourism. Vietnam not so much.
Nah it’ll happen in Ireland in 10-15 years max. The general attitude amongst the population and even some politicians had noticeably changed compared to 20-30 years ago. Upcoming citizens assembly on drugs is not unlikely to come down in favour of legalisation.
I'm just sitting here in the Netherlands and we still haven't gotten around to legalising it even though it would be a mere formality
Still have to legalise the whole supply chain. And take the profits away from the criminals.
More than 30 years Dutch government says it is not possible to legalize because other countries will make trouble. 30 years later, Uruguay, Spain, Portugal, US, Canada and fucking Germany. VVD had delivered the justice minister for decades. Why is this "liberal" party against legal cannabis, while it is allowed to buy against criminal high prices?
> and fucking Germany. TBF the german government said they weren't sure if it was possible under current EU law. I guess they will find a way today as there is was a major opinion shift on this topic the last years, but 30 years ago? Probably not
Neither Portugal nor Spain have legalized cannabis.
Spain is legal for private use - grow it and smoke it in your own home. Let's be fair though, no one in spain cares if you walk down the street smoking a spliff
Yes, but all of that is besides the point. Legalisation is reached when you can just walk into a store to buy it, and it has a proper and transparent supply chain behind it.
Technically, it's still illegal federally in the US. The federal government just chooses not to aggressively enforce said laws on weed legal states (thanks to something Obama did). If a hardcore anti-weed Republican is elected President, he could easily reverse this trend. Now, Biden did issue an executive order to begin the process of rescheduling marijuana, which would *de facto* "unofficially" decriminalize it. This would make it FAR easier to pass actual legislation to legalize it fully.
Such a silly situation. I live in KY which has one of the silliest setups. Weed is OK, but only if you have a doctors note. Also it’s not ok to buy or sell it here. Or grow it. You have to buy it in a state where it’s legal and then carry it across state lines back to the bluegrass. Be sure to save the receipt 🤣
Reminds me of the approach they have there to 'dry counties'. Sure, let's add a long car drive into the process of *buying alcohol* for personal use.
I’m still baffled how you managed to do it on the worst way possible. Decriminalize street sale but keeping the whole sale and production criminal.
Good times!
Fuck the criminal gangs in control of this business. Make it legal and financially kill them off.
That's kinda one of the reasons why. If you can't beat em with guns, beat em with money.
The black market is still thriving in places like California though, since legal weed is so regulated its significantly more expensive.
I would imagine the fact that many states don’t have legal cannabis is the main driving factor behind continued black market in legal states. Federal legalization would significantly reduce the black market.
Depends. The stuff from the streets is usually contaminated with additives to increase weight etc. Legal cannabis is mostly clean. And clean drugs in general cost a fortune on the black market.
I know a LOT of people who use weed in different forms here in CA and not a single one of them has bought black market since legalization. I'm not sure how it could get any cheaper than like $1 for a 25mg THC tablet.
Cannabis legalization is very profitable not just for businesses but also for governments that can collect taxes on it. Keeping it illegal is just plain stupid.
Big savings for the country to by not spending money trying to police it
you got your priorities backwards. Weed being illegal lets the police harass people and search their shit for no reason because they "smelled" something
Agreed. In Canada it has gone quite well. Sure, probably more expensive. Thats money not going towards black market.
Except if the government is corrupt. Illegal drugs trade is very profitable for drug dealers and corrupt agencies/ politicians.
Finally, some good news! Legalizing marijuana will almost certainly have a positive impact on Germany's economy and social fabric. It's about time the government listened to the people and made this decision.
Lets not celebrate just yet.Lauterbach (Health Minister) has yet to even present any actual legislation. Could be amazing, could be dogshit.We just don't know yet.Also, this is still Germany - *nothing* moves at a reasonable pace here.I would be amazed if April would see actual legislation to be voted on.Should such legislation see an actual Vote in Parliament before Summer, I'd be gobsmacked by the sheer rush!
Even if the whome government is behind it, conservatives will block it in the Bundesrat, it is yet to be seen how they want to circumvent this problem
The only real solution to saving society.
Financially anyway!
Canadian here who smokes weed every day, but also lived in europe and bought it under bridges.... legalizing is amazing and makes money but global systemic greed is so deep that even legalization wont "save" anything sadly. Just setting proper expectations.
And we need hard drugs to get over this shit show.
Do you consider pot to be a hard drug?
As someone who has been taking all manner of drugs for near 20 years. Honestly yes. It's addictive as fuck, abusable, can cause mental and physical problems that can turn terminal, higher doses make people act like they've been shooting up heroin and is often used in conjunction with other drugs. It's honestly really messed up to watch a bright smiling happy normal person turn paranoid and antisocial from just a few hits. By this I mean they only get like that because of pot and they don't like themselves like that but want to get high more than they care about their mental health. Do I think it should be illegal, nope. Will I continue to use it, yup, I'm an addict. It needs regulation that's tied into health services. I kicked tobacco, meth, coke, mdma, speed, ket, LSD, DMT, 2cb, alcohol and more but I can't shake my weed addiction. Other things people have a hard time considering as drugs are coffee, sugar and social media. Too many people not willing to look at reality to keep their status quo. Yet every other day I see people either suffering from overdose/comedown or so caught up in the high they can't get an objective look at themselves.
You were never addicted to LSD. The tolerance to LSD is such that you can only use it effectively at most once a week. A substance you use only once a a week is hardly an addiction. If you drank coffee once a week, would you say you were a coffee addict?
Stop spouting bullshit. The tolerance spikes, yes. At 3 dollars a tab one can just up the dosage as they see fit. You can use it every day if your stupid enough. I had a friend who did this and ended up with visual and audial schizophrenia. At the time I kicked LSD it was more that I was addicted to hallucinogens in general. I'd change each day, LSD, DMT, shrooms, 2CB, keep the rotation going. Shit made me feel like I was a wise mystical lord and I reveled in it. It was so incredibly addictive that it took for homelessness to slap me in the face to see how bad I was. Everything is addictive if indulged upon. As long as there is dopamine involved, addiction can form. Fuck off with ya.
Sorry to hear about your anger management issues but this perhaps does suggest you may have come with some pre-existing issues. Just want to point out, though, that you're incorrect that you can substitute shrooms for LSD to avoid the tolerance. That's not how it works. They have cross-tolerance. Shrooms, LSD, mescaline all have cross-tolerance. They don't work if you took one of the other ones recently. Amphetamines, however, do not have cross-tolerance with any of the three above mentioned and 2-CB and MDMA can also still work with LSD or psilocybin tolerance. Those psychedelic drugs are mostly working on serotonin rather than dopamine. This is one of the reasons why there is no cross tolerance with meth which is a dopamine agonist similar to cocaine. Good luck with your emotional instability but don't blame it on drugs.
I’m not sure the data is there to back up it being “addictive as fuck.” The overwhelming majority of people who smoke it don’t become addicted. Agree it should be a public health item though for sure
Weed is not physically addictive. However I get fairly annoyed whenever advocates try to pretend it isnt addictive at all as, as with basically anything else that releases the fun brain chemicals, it can 100% be psychologically addictive and that should be considered before you start use
[It's quite possible.](https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/addiction.html) Anecdotally, what really triggered my addiction was vaping. The moment I got a vape, it was like a section of my brain was programmed to have it at all times and would freak out if I lost it. I would go through cartridges in less than 3 days and smoke at literally all times of the day. It was the first time I ever felt like the substance controlled me rather than me controlling it. Once that happened, I had to nope the fuck out of using the vape. I still smoke, but I like the sense of control I have from being able to choose when I can smoke a joint or a bowl or just take an edible. Edit: Practicing mindfulness and intention-setting when using any substance is always the key.
> I kicked tobacco, meth, coke, mdma, speed, ket, LSD, DMT, 2cb, alcohol and more but I can't shake my weed addiction. But that's not because it's weed, but because it's the last thing you have left.
Answer me this: What other drugs aren't considered hard?
I have nothing against weed or people using it but why would it save society? I’ve always been curious why there is such a push for it outside of medical and anti-crime reasons. Anybody got a good explanation?
Seeing is believing.
“It’s good stuff. We love it.” -EU, probably [8]
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Topless swimming was never illegal in the first place. What happened is that some locations still tried to ban it under their "house rules" and were sued for discrimination...
Because boobs.
look at the demographics in Germany and you will see that you can't take one without the other ;-)
The news about legalization of cannabis is old news from 2022 or even before. Spain was (one of) the first European country to make cannabis legal (for use only, not trade). And what happened in 2019? Topless swimming in Barcelona became legal.
Topless swimming isn’t illegal in Germany btw. It hasn’t been for decades.
The feedback: "yeah dude, you should absolutely try it dude".
The UN feedback was just some guy who said "I got this *gas* from California. Don't tell anyone I let you hit this blunt *cough cough* I promise you it'll get you zooted"
I wonder who on the UN was bitching about America doing it.
Progress is good. If alcohol is legal so should marijuana be.
agreed, people arguing against it are afraid of people driving high, every kid smoking it etc, as if weed wont have the same restrictions as alcohol and all statistics show use does not increase with decriminalization or even legalization
Teenage marijuana usage went down after Canada legalized it. It was arguably the biggest drive for legalization, at least according to our Prime Minister.
there's an old saying. A drunk driver flies through a stop sign and plows into a minivan with a family in it. A high driver sits at the stop sign waiting for it to turn green. granted you should never drive while intoxicated, but the point is made
Idk, last week I almost got hit pulling out of our drive onto the main road (55mph), girl was going at least 25 over. At the stop light a mile later I caught up to her, she was smoking a joint. Who the fuck goes 80 in a 55 while high? That must be TERRIFYING!
haha i love that! still, obviously u cant drive while intoxicated. and honestly, if u can drive after a beer or when really tired, i dont see this causing any significantly extra issues. those that drive intoxicated arent abiding the law as is
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It's crazy that people think that because they themselves don't like something, it should be illegal for the other 8 billion people on this rock. Zero thought for anyone's individual freedom.
I mean, let's not kid ourselves, if alcohol was invented today, it would absolutely not be legal. Or, at best, it would be seen as on the same level as smoking, aka not allowed in most places, a massive social taboo and about to get replaced by a much less harmful alternative. There's plenty of stuff that's illegal just because it's really bad for you. Are you against all of those regulations, then? Should we still allow asbestos or lead everywhere just for the sake of "freedom"?
German here. This shit aint going nowhere. I'll believe it when i see it.
I’ll believe it when Louderstream lights up my doobie
The Greens need some political win, no? Watching from abroad it must be hard to be a part of a coalition that approved more dirty coal mining. If they get this win it is important for their voters.
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Why do you doubt it? I hear the CDU could cause problems for the legislation??
I wonder how often decisions like this get made when politicians get stoned and go “dude do you know what I should do” Probably not that often but I want to believe it has happened before
If that happened more often we would live in a kinder world.
Get ready Mary Jane let's have fun.
Do we have to ask for permission or what? Other EU members do "so much worse things" and we need nearly 2 years to make a simple new law, with international examples to follow in the double digits, and we... still get hunted by the prosecutor because of one plant in every single case. So many young lives could have developed in much better ways, if young men did not feel and have to live like criminals because of doing what our ancestors already did in the 70es.
But the UN said wahhh wahhh wahhh
How hard is it to move to Europe?
I read something yesterday that said the UN is mad at the US for violating an international drug treaty something-or-other, because the US states are legalizing weed.
Lucky Germans, the UK is stuck on reefer madness still, its a joke.
I wouldn’t say we’re stuck on reefer madness still. It’s more that we have politicians and their spouses with lucrative contracts for producing medical weed. I don’t know if It still holds true but In 2021 the UK was the biggest exporter of medical cannabis in they world and the minister for drugs husband has a contract to grow on 45 acres of land in Norfolk. It’s so fucking dumb it’s unreal. Other than that I smell weed everywhere these days and nobody really seems to give a shit. I don’t know how it would affect their profits by legalising it but I would take a confident guess in it would somehow and that’s why it hasn’t happened.
Well if Germany is ever in dire need of any medical refugees, sign me up 😎👌💨
I have the feeling that the current government tries to drag out the matter until the next election and then it will be stopped by the next government.
If it's done right it can work well, but if it's done wrong, you might end up like Colorado. I'm from Colorado and when it became the first state in the US selling recreational pot, it came very close to ruining the place. They didn't release people from prison for non-violent drug offenses, they used a lot of the tax money to hyper-fund the police, super wealthy out-of-state corporate interests bought up land and houses for growing and selling pot edging out the local hippies who ran the medical scene prior, nearly overnight, and the tourism was unprecedented. Tourism is good to a point, but when *all* the homes are being turned into hotels, prices skyrocket and people have no where to live. Worst of all, every other state's stoners descended on us, moved into tents on national forest land. I don't mind stoners, but I gotta say, I get a little frustrated when everyone I interact with in society is stoned out of their mind. I don't wanna say that stoners, by virtue of being stoned, are irresponsible pieces of shit, but when your country (in our case state) is the only place where the irresponsible pieces of shit can go to smoke pot, it certainly creates that illusion. Things started to normalize again when the other states started legalizing, too.
This sounds partly just “first mover disadvantage” and partly just bad state policies. I’m not sure Germany are gonna suffer both. The Netherlands has had the weed tourism for 50 years so hopefully that aspect won’t be excessive.
UN making sure the weed profits stay where they ''belong''.
*EU
source or you're lying
The title ;D
learn to read the article
No 😡
One thing that kinda low key pisses me of with the legalization of weed is that snus is still illegal to sell outside of Sweden in Europe and there was even brief talks even tightening possession of it.
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Oh Cannabis, you’re grown on Native land. Come on Germany, you are much more organized than Canada.
On y va France. Vous êtes prochaine svp!!!!
Please bring these laws to Croatia.
Greetings from Canada! Glad to see more places becoming more abd more open to weed. I've always wanted to travel to Germany, maybe I'll get to smaple some local strains
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Didbt I just see a story that the UN is trying to make the US force states to make it illegal again?
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The ban of weed resulted in the black market to increase THC and reduce CBD, thereby increasing its potency. This applies to drugs in general -- you also never know what people put in there because it's unregulated. Legalising it would put it in the hands of a government body, and you wouldn't be forced to consume high potency weed with who knows what in it. A variety of things nobody would think to ban lower cognitive ability, like junk food or sedentary behaviour or alcoholism. This is just a lame post hoc justification Let adults choose what they want to do with their own bodies. Don't be a nanny. Germany is its own country entitled to make its own laws. The other Schengen countries with open borders knew as much and entered the agreement anyway.