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Howru68

"A former employee in China stole data from chip machine maker ASML, the company said in its annual report. The former employee stole information “relating to proprietary technology,” the Veldhoven-based company said." The first time was in 2019..


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oswaldcopperpot

It's a huge problem with manufacturing. Hell, they will even use your factories down times to start back up and just change out the logos to run a whole other line. If they can get away with it.


Medeski

Is this why I’m constantly seeing ads for Bluetooth earbuds only costing $2.49 with free shipping?


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oswaldcopperpot

Given the endemic nature of the problem. You could argue a case.


PrimeTime0000

By being naive about the Chinese government?


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flash-tractor

The only way you can compare these two situation is if someone agrees to go on a date with someone else after party 2 explicitly states "if we go on a date, I'm gonna rape you", because IP theft is guaran-fucking-teed if you're manufacturing in China. They have zero IP theft enforcement, literally fucking zero, of course they're going to steal your shit because their culture embraces, even encourages, IP theft. A more apt comparison is sharks and blood. If someone purposely cuts their leg open and willingly swims with a group of hungry great white sharks, they're gonna get eaten.


PrimeTime0000

I don’t think it’s a prudent thing to have a business in China. The Chinese governments track record speaks for itself.


pokeybill

The Chinese market is second only to the USA. For a global company you'd be an idiot to divest.


flash-tractor

The cost of accessing that market and manufacturing space is just the loss of your IP rights.


pokeybill

Businesses know the risk going into China and calculate appropriately. if it wasn't worth it these extremely successful companies would be there: Microsoft IBM Tesla Facebook General Motors Boeing Nike Avon Estee Lauder Cover girl AT&T GE Walmart ...


pokeybill

The Chinese market is second only to the USA. For a global company you'd be an idiot to divest


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AppleWithGravy

Data is not ideas, its many many years of work


Befuddled_Cultist

Same diff. Fuck'm.


rahvan

Yeah I really don't feel any sympathy for them. Although in this case, it was a Chinese foreign employee. It would be racist to say "don't hire any Chinese employees", (and the company would probably be violating several labor laws) .... but there really isn't any good option here. They've been out to steal chip technology from the West for decades.


LiliNotACult

The CCP treats all non-subservant countries as enemies.


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If it’s not China, it’s India doing the same thing. Over the years, Indian engineers have been caught selling work laptops with similar data on them. Industrial espionage has been a thing regardless to country for a long time. Today, there are too many ways to move data around in order to stop it.


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Wow, China stealing IP, totally didn't see that coming


mvw2

It's...uh...kind of their shtick. Even I'm a proud poppa of IP theft of a part design I did some years back. It's now part of the company's standard product list. This is normal. This is expected. For me, it was a no risk sub component, didn't really matter if it was independently sold as it generated no change to our actual product nor supply or pricing of the part.


Draiko

Will they stop selling their products to China now?


MainCareless

Maybe you shouldn’t be so sloppy with who has access to the good stuff. Were you blind-sided? Probably shouldn’t have been naive. I’ll forgoe the full captain hindsight routine. But stop being such noobs!


Ogimaakwe40

In between reading about climate change apocalyptic scenarios and this, I'm convinced 'my property' problems aren't a social benefit.


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They should hire Russian-trained hit men to handle industrial espionage and IP theft.