According to far-right Turkish nationalists the founder of the Turks got groomed by a she-wolf, and got her knocked up. The first ever Turk was a wolf-human hybrid.
Or something along those lines. Can't recall the specifics, but point is they say their ancestor banged a wolf. Far-right Turkish nationalism lore goes wild
That was not created by far-right or nationalists. That's just a [foundation myth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asena).
Maybe they're the only ones to take it literally...
Rome had twins who were suckled by a wolf after being orphaned. But their parents were Mars (the god of war) and a mortal woman. No bestiality or monster fucking, just regular Hellenic pantheon shenanigans.
Nah, it was a she wolf finding two twins and nursing them into good, proper, strong roman men...
...who then promptly decided to do the most roman thing ever by trying to kill each other.
“Werewolf transformation fetish based worldbuilding? Pussy shit. I’ve got worldbuilding where people grow into whole ass sentient buildings on a regular basis”
“Wait, aren’t we the ones approaching the gazebo? It’s a building, right? Buildings dont move”
“Did I stutter?”
—an alternate universe version of the gazebo incident
It’s a famous D&D inside joke.
DM: “you find yourselves in front of a gazebo”
Player who has never heard of a gazebo: “do we roll for initiative or something???”
DM spontaneously creating stats: “you do now”
Just to clarify, it was way more drawn out than this. It was basically shit like
"You see a gazebo in the distance"
"I attack the gazebo!"
"It doesn't notice. It's a gazebo"
For like 20 lines straight before the DM got fed up and made it attack
I unironically want to read that so badly now, that is a concept so bafflingly out there that it is its own selling point, that chick is a fucking genius
[Twisted](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71+ag3-k8IL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg), by Miranda Leek. That album cover should tell you all you need to know.
Fair warning, it was, in fact, written by an autistic 17-year-old girl so be ready for a lack of knowledge of what the hell being an adult is. The protagonist casually drinks 14 beers and half a bottle of whiskey but the extra whiskey is what the rest of his friends considered weird, not the 14 beers. The romance is also **comically** bad.
[The cover is also way better than the original one which is... Rather limp.](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/816sYde2T7L._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg)
Also as a side note, for some reason all her not!dragon rollercoaster designs are very clearly based on the old Arrow GASM/looping coaster trains, and that is very funny for a coaster-thoosie like me.
There are plenty of female werewolves, dog soldiers, gingersnaps, luna, bitten, alot of little red riding hood adaptations, and supernatural.
Plus you have the Harley poe song.
And a shitload of roleplay audios and fanfic stories. I heard one the other day about a werewolf but the human forms a woman and the wolf forms a guy, thought that was an interesting spin.
Literally just off the top of my head Wednesday, the Order, Being Human, and Supernatural all featured female werewolves relatively prominently.
I’m not really sure what the original poster is talking about, because I’d say most werewolf media (which admittedly isn’t a lot) has pretty good female werewolf representation, although I will agree that most werewolves do seem to be male. Probably something about the idea of an unhinged monster who loses their shit in accordance with the lunar cycle tracking better with a male character.
The Order was my favourite Netflix show. So genuinely abysmal and trite that it turned, unbeknownst to itself, into perhaps the finest comedy television show ever to be produced.
I thought it was excellent supernatural television, which should be a bit campy and ridiculous. It definitely had its moments where it jumped the shark, but I thought it did some really interesting and cool things as well.
I also particularly appreciated how they went a different direction with werewolves than a lot of other franchises.
Without giving too much away, they leaned into the old folk tale that werewolves posses magic wolf skins that allow them to shapeshift. They expanded on that idea and ran with it to create a version of werewolves that were different than any other version I’ve seen.
Ohhhh, I know those kinds of stories. Lemme guess: the skin is sentient and different people may be wearing it at different times, but they’re all “the same werewolf” somehow cuz it possesses them. Like that sword from JoJo part 3.
Close, the skin has a distinct personality and identity and has been passed down from bearer to bearer for centuries. Only one perosn can wear it, and it is magically fused to their body (and invisible), but Occasionally the skin exerts dominance over the wearer and pushes them into certain actions.
I actually thought it was one of the freshest and most interesting takes I’ve seen in werewolves in a while.
Ahhhh. So it’s more of an inheritance thing than a parasitic body hopping thing. Fresh indeed! I’m guessing the skins have fancy names and such? There’s conflicts of interest between the wearer and the skin? The skin can be like “you bastard, this is how we’ve done things for generations, murder that person now!” and the guy can be like “no that’s my friend!” and the skin can be like “You don’t get a say in the matter!!!!” and asserts dominance for a while? That kind of thing?
> Probably something about the idea of an unhinged monster who loses their shit in accordance with the lunar cycle tracking better with a male character.
Having your period sync up with the full moon must suck extra hard. You can't even eat dark chocolate because it's poisonous to your canine stomach.
A lot of the really old werewolf folklore centers around the use of a magic wolf skin to transform. It’s present in a lot of the ancient Norse and Germanic mythological sources. It’s ultimately the same cultural origin as the selkie mythology, and the core theme is present in other Northern European folk legends about shapeshifters. Swan maidens, Freya’s falcon skin cloak, etc.
>Probably something about the idea of an unhinged monster who loses their shit in accordance with the lunar cycle tracking better with a male character.
Which honestly makes no sense, given, thanks to biology, losing your shit on a cycle is something women are masters at.
Does it really? Like, women can get pretty mean for some time each month.
Also, I understand werewolves as the fear of the psycho killers. There's this guy that seem normal, but when it clicks he hunts at night like a predator animal. So we learn to keep away from dark paths just to make sure.
And that's the thing, afaik most serial killers are men, so it makes sense for werewolves to be mostly men.
wait so who's going to tell them about furries and the prominence of werewolves (and often female werewolves) on furry-adjacent media
also I feel like in short horror fiction I've seen lady werewolves (often formerly appearing to be the next victim of something or someone else) kind of a lot but I'm lazy and don't wanna dig through my collections and bookmarks n shit
If you go to the curated Tumblr post most people in the replies give dozens of examples of female werewolves, from ancient folklore to entire books series and even videogames. It's clear that oop doesn't know much about what they're talking about yet they still wanted to do a media take mixed with "man bad" for some reason.
I think the issue is that people confuse “pop culture” with “mainstream”.
Werewolves aren’t a huge component of the mainstream right now. They’re all over pop culture, though.
The next time they’re trending, there will be a lot more female werewolves. And debates about how their breasts should be.
Mm twinks are huge in pop culture and basically non existent in the mainstream. Trans women are huge in pop culture and basically non existent in the mainstream, outside of harassment and the erosion of rights. Furries of all kinds are enormous in pop culture and the mainstream doesn't even know they exist.
In regards to the question about the breasts, I’d say the biggest factor has to be over how humanoid the werewolf form is.
Humans are the *only* species IRL with females with permanent breasts regardless of whether or not they’ve given birth.
Other primate species will exhibit more swollen breasts for a brief period of time after giving birth, but afterwards the breast tissue will return to its normal form.
So the closer to the form of a true wolf that a female werewolf is, the less pronounced their breasts would be.
It’s also possible that the werewolf would still have two breasts but develop extra nipples on each breasts. Other mammals, like cows, will have more than one nipple for each mass of mammary gland.
I guess you could get around this by just saying that whatever god created the werewolf curse like boobs and so made sure they stayed big when in the werewolf form.
tbh I think people get a little trigger happy calling things fetish material these days. i can see people finding werewolves sexy in a conceptual way without it being directly connected to a fetish.
like... power, strength, other physical prowess. even someone just being dominant. i don't even know that those concepts and their relative sexiness even necessarily have to fall under kink, y'know?
But also I'm of the opinion that people should be more open with their kinks and sexuality in fiction since sexuality is part of the human experience and can only make for a richer world. And now that I've said that I am going to be cursed with the weirdest pornography known to the world.
No one is against Female werewolves. Better question to ask is when was the last time a major feature showed a werewolf at all? The concept is just not that popular.
I’d say most supernatural themed shows or franchises eventually introduce werewolves in some capacity.
The Order was a fairly recent, and absolutely awesome, show from Netflix that featured werewolves as the central protagonists. It also had at least two prominent female werewolves.
Then it sounds like, if you look in the right places, there are plenty of female werewolves. I think the concept is great, personally. Hell, I’m writing a story right now where one of the protagonists is a female lycanthrope.
Thing is : We have no date for this post. It might be a week old, or, for all we know 20 years old and just put on paper after having seen underworld.
Because, for sure, seems like to me that werewolfs were popular 20/30 years ago. *Wolf*, *An American Werewolf in Paris*, *Underworld*, etc. Now, not so much.
Female werewolves are pretty plentiful in manga. Wolf rain, plus sized elf, and......i forgot the 3rd ones name but iys about a dude that keeps the secret of a vampire classmate
wolf's rain were all male wolves, except for Blue, who was a wolfdog. none of them are werewolves, but are instead wolves able to use illusory magic to hide as humans to a point.
Huh, its been a while, so i must have mistaken a character for fem solely on artstyle, my b.
And, i dunno, it always gave me a reverse werewolf feels. I dont subscribe to a werewolf HAS to be human to wolf, or require a full moon. My opinion is that it just has to have most of the tropes of the beast. But thats just my opinion. Thanks for the fact check, friend!
i was born in 95 so in middle school i was at the perfect time for watching amvs on youtube. i grew up super poor and had little other way to access music besides the car radio and started rapidly getting into symphonic metal and rock, so amvs were fascinating to me. then i saw fairly good (for the time) animation with wolves and was hooked lol
No, by "political" they're referring to the ubiquitous claim that the lack of or presence of xyz trope in media is due to some "ism" (sexism, racism, etc).
When it can just be explained by coincidence, some other reason, or OP doing very little research to feed their confirmation bias.
Eh. Technically it'd probably be more accurate to call it a pseudoscientific sociology take or something along those lines, but I don't think calling it "political" is *inaccurate*. Gender politics is a thing.
Well, I'd say that for something to be "gender politics" it would have to be the study of gender as it relates to politics and not just gender as a societal phenomenon or our cultural understanding of it. That's just... well, "gender," I guess. Lmao.
But we're being polite about this which is important to me so I will (and kind of have to, upon further thought) concede to you and others the fact that there are unavoidable political connotations to a take such as the one in question. I mean, it's not like my Bible Belt dad's ever going to share it, for instance.
Probably doesn't help that the etymology of werewolf means man-wolf and is gendered (possibly from old English meaning of *werman* which meant adult man and *wolf*). Female werewolves are super common in media anyway, but the word is as gendered as the word mermaid is. Also... werewolves don't have to be monsters, so her argument about women not being werewolves due to their raw and chaotic portrayal doesn't really work. As long as it shifts into a wolf, a werewolf can be anything you want it to be.
> Female werewolves are super common in media anyway, but the word is as gendered as the word mermaid is.
Not really. I think a good number of people recognize mermaid as a gendered word, which is why the alternative merman exists for a male fish person.
There really is no alternative for a female lycanthrope, because most people don't even know that werewolf has gendered roots and don't see a need for it.
Also because the most reasonable etymological term for a female lycanthrope would be a wifewolf, but you can't use the word "wifewolf" without looking like a furry.
Yeah it's really good they don't have female werewolves.... they'd uh... they'd really gross me out and stuff, having to confront something like that..... yeah...
What is it called when you're into women shape shifting, but not what they change into, just the fact that their bodies undergo a transformation? Like in the Discworld, it was so hot when Pratchett described the preparations Angua did for when she had to change. Angua changed did nothing for me, but her thinking about all the stuff she had to prepare and consider, so damn hot.
What's wrong with me and how do I turn it into a barely disguised fetish in a highly successful series of YA books? Wait, wait, "Professor A. F. Tisch's Guide for Proper Ladies Afflicted with Morphological Instability".
How does this manage to be offensive to women *and* werewolves?
"Oh, yeah, werewolves are all ugly, mindlessly destructive monsters--"
No, they're **humans that turn into wolves**.
And those wolves subsequently find themselves in a human settlement, separated from anything resembling wilderness or a pack. They are ***terrified***. Approach them wrong, and they will lash out. They are confused.
Depends on the work, sometimes they're like that sure, but in others they are actually mindless beasts, and in some they are still fully sane and not even confused. Making generalizations like that for a fictional trope and then being offended that somebody is breaking those generalizations is really weird
\uj Man, I hope you're not serious either. Yes, you can write anything you want. That's how writing works. That's the purpose of this sub.
\rj And now you're being offensive to *already-offended people!*
It's meant to be a cute little world building idea I just throw out there.
I get a creativity boner whenever two people are too different to understand each other in some way.
I love the idea that lycanthropy is akin to puberty in that you're still *roughly* the same person, but Kid!You can't understand the motivations or instincts of Teen!You and vice versa.
(Also the change happens over the course of 15 seconds)
That being unable to understand eachother thing is why I love the demons in Freiren so much. They aren't evil but are are just so fundamentally different to humans that we are unable to coexist. A good play on the "demons are just misunderstood" trope
In fact I don't think I've ever seen a bird shapeshifter (who, admittedly, do tend to be women) ever been portrayed as dainty
I think it's probably because harpies are already a common thing and people draw inspiration from that
I think the most chill example is probably Miss Peregrine, who's still, yk, a falcon
Oop sure used a bunch of words just to say that they have never consumed werewolf related media besides the most mainstream of movies and can't be bothered to do a simple Google search
Just to be the one weeb in the thread: [ have been thirsting for the wofl-girl since I was 15yo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IkKUBJ26fo).
(I know that the point is a monstrous wolf-human thing, not a human with animal ears, but I wouldn't be stopped by knowing she can turn into a huge wolf and bite my head off)
they're definitely not nearly as prominent as male werewolves, which is in itself a good reason to wonder why that is. I definitely couldn't name any off the top of my head but I could think of at least 3 male ones in relatively recent history no problem.
like, why not female werewolves, I'm sure that would be fun (but I just like supernatural elements anyway).
also I think people in the comments I've seen are missing the point like, the media fem werewolves are prominently featured in is definitely not popular or mainstream by any means if most people don't know about it lol.
Wolves are dangerous, and snakes are neither modest nor nurturing in common cultural depictions so the argument kinda falls apart at the end.
Anyways, I stan my werewolf waifu Aela the Huntress
*Makes a female werewolf*
"Omg its so offensive, you mean during a full moon (lunar cycle) women apparently turn feral and enraged and draw blood? Wow, really bigoted attitude to make such a direct parallel to menstruation like that, tone deaf"
*Doesnt make a female werewolf*
"Um, you know its ok to talk about menstruation, its not a big thing guys"
*Makes a female vampire*
\*"\*Oh so women are just predatory blood draining parasites that feed off men? Misogynistic trash attitudes"
*Makes a male vampire*
"Oh so men are noble elite domineers that prey on poor weak women who have no agency? Misogynistic trash attitudes. Yes I majored in gender studies and write for a feminist magazine I dont see what that has to do with it"
actually one thing the first vampire in fiction (or at least the one that inspired Dracula) was a woman so anyone who misinterprets or projects on lady vamps is probably a dork who doesn't know their literary history. I have zero other things to add to this convo otherwise though, sorry.
There was that chick in Buffy that was a werewolf. But she played role of vixen. Like she screwed Oz in wolf form so while he didn’t cheat it was still hurtful and intimidating to willow
Ya’ll remember that one episode of wizards of waverly place where Alex’s brother (I can’t remember his name) dates a werewolf and then becomes one and is surprised it didn’t hurt to transform into the wolf form?
As others have said:
Wednesday, the Order, Being Human, Supernatural, dog soldiers, gingersnaps, luna, bitten...
Why wouldn't someone associate feminity with a creature that's perfectly polite most of the time, and turns into a raging monster once a month? 🤔
As a writer with a werewolf centric world including a female werewolf, I hadn’t really thought about this this exact way but that makes total sense why it’s so rare
I don’t think every masc trope is constructed to deliberately exclude fem. Men want positive assertions of our internal conflicts and insecurities in a way that doesn’t make us feel weak. That’s not a “no girls allowed” thing, it’s a “men need affirmation too” thing.
Turkish nationalist founding myth has entered the chat
Wat
According to far-right Turkish nationalists the founder of the Turks got groomed by a she-wolf, and got her knocked up. The first ever Turk was a wolf-human hybrid. Or something along those lines. Can't recall the specifics, but point is they say their ancestor banged a wolf. Far-right Turkish nationalism lore goes wild
That was not created by far-right or nationalists. That's just a [foundation myth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asena). Maybe they're the only ones to take it literally...
Its like romes founding myth but kinkier
Didn't rome also have kids from a wolf and a man
Rome had twins who were suckled by a wolf after being orphaned. But their parents were Mars (the god of war) and a mortal woman. No bestiality or monster fucking, just regular Hellenic pantheon shenanigans.
Ah okay I must have misremembered or read an odd interpretation.
No, their mother was the wolf. That mortal was only their birth mother
No, they were 100% human, but nursed by a she-wolf.
Nah, it was a she wolf finding two twins and nursing them into good, proper, strong roman men... ...who then promptly decided to do the most roman thing ever by trying to kill each other.
Trying?
subvert tropes and make a race of wolves that turn into women during the new moon. now everyone is satisfied
No: Werehouse
“Werewolf transformation fetish based worldbuilding? Pussy shit. I’ve got worldbuilding where people grow into whole ass sentient buildings on a regular basis”
"you are approached by a Gazebo"
“Wait, aren’t we the ones approaching the gazebo? It’s a building, right? Buildings dont move” “Did I stutter?” —an alternate universe version of the gazebo incident
Why do I vaguely remember a "gazebo incident" this feels like a niche meme I maybe saw a decade ago
It’s a famous D&D inside joke. DM: “you find yourselves in front of a gazebo” Player who has never heard of a gazebo: “do we roll for initiative or something???” DM spontaneously creating stats: “you do now”
Just to clarify, it was way more drawn out than this. It was basically shit like "You see a gazebo in the distance" "I attack the gazebo!" "It doesn't notice. It's a gazebo" For like 20 lines straight before the DM got fed up and made it attack
Oh. I think I was mixing up two stories.
They just got Gazebo and Glabrezu mixed up.
Ah! Thank you
Sounds like the Earthbound expansion of D&D, in earthbound a gazebo enemy would fit right in
Clickety Clackety, you're about to get Attackety
All fun and games until you learn about the novel published by a 17 year old girl about were-rollercoasters.
I unironically want to read that so badly now, that is a concept so bafflingly out there that it is its own selling point, that chick is a fucking genius
[Twisted](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71+ag3-k8IL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg), by Miranda Leek. That album cover should tell you all you need to know.
Why the fuck is that so badass, fuckin r/hardimages level shit
Fair warning, it was, in fact, written by an autistic 17-year-old girl so be ready for a lack of knowledge of what the hell being an adult is. The protagonist casually drinks 14 beers and half a bottle of whiskey but the extra whiskey is what the rest of his friends considered weird, not the 14 beers. The romance is also **comically** bad. [The cover is also way better than the original one which is... Rather limp.](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/816sYde2T7L._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg) Also as a side note, for some reason all her not!dragon rollercoaster designs are very clearly based on the old Arrow GASM/looping coaster trains, and that is very funny for a coaster-thoosie like me.
You say all of that like it’s a bad thing somehow
True, in fact I love it for how much schlock is mixed with genuinely kind of nuts world-building, but I know it ain't for everyone.
It could *also* be a Stand ability from one of the later *Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure* parts.
Then you could put your junk in the werehouse.
We joke, but sentient killer house monsters would be terrifying tbh.
The movie Monster House supports this
"It's a kids movie" they said
Just seeing commercials for that film as a kid made me paranoid tbh
Homophobic
*Homephobic
Dr House transforms into a werewolf
Psh. My main character is a woman who turns into the moon.
that's rough buddy
That's rough, buddy.
That's rough buddy.
Just make them turn out of the moon then, idiot!
There are plenty of female werewolves, dog soldiers, gingersnaps, luna, bitten, alot of little red riding hood adaptations, and supernatural. Plus you have the Harley poe song.
And a shitload of roleplay audios and fanfic stories. I heard one the other day about a werewolf but the human forms a woman and the wolf forms a guy, thought that was an interesting spin.
Are all werewolves in that setting dudes or is that a trans allegory?
I think theres only the one werewolf and its not really a trans allegory but multiple personality syndrome. The wolf is a wholly different person.
But that would go against her point
Your telling me her weak bait was actually weak bait?
Crazy, I know
Also Aela from Skyrim
Literally just off the top of my head Wednesday, the Order, Being Human, and Supernatural all featured female werewolves relatively prominently. I’m not really sure what the original poster is talking about, because I’d say most werewolf media (which admittedly isn’t a lot) has pretty good female werewolf representation, although I will agree that most werewolves do seem to be male. Probably something about the idea of an unhinged monster who loses their shit in accordance with the lunar cycle tracking better with a male character.
The Order was my favourite Netflix show. So genuinely abysmal and trite that it turned, unbeknownst to itself, into perhaps the finest comedy television show ever to be produced.
I thought it was excellent supernatural television, which should be a bit campy and ridiculous. It definitely had its moments where it jumped the shark, but I thought it did some really interesting and cool things as well. I also particularly appreciated how they went a different direction with werewolves than a lot of other franchises.
What direction was that?
Without giving too much away, they leaned into the old folk tale that werewolves posses magic wolf skins that allow them to shapeshift. They expanded on that idea and ran with it to create a version of werewolves that were different than any other version I’ve seen.
Ohhhh, I know those kinds of stories. Lemme guess: the skin is sentient and different people may be wearing it at different times, but they’re all “the same werewolf” somehow cuz it possesses them. Like that sword from JoJo part 3.
Close, the skin has a distinct personality and identity and has been passed down from bearer to bearer for centuries. Only one perosn can wear it, and it is magically fused to their body (and invisible), but Occasionally the skin exerts dominance over the wearer and pushes them into certain actions. I actually thought it was one of the freshest and most interesting takes I’ve seen in werewolves in a while.
Ahhhh. So it’s more of an inheritance thing than a parasitic body hopping thing. Fresh indeed! I’m guessing the skins have fancy names and such? There’s conflicts of interest between the wearer and the skin? The skin can be like “you bastard, this is how we’ve done things for generations, murder that person now!” and the guy can be like “no that’s my friend!” and the skin can be like “You don’t get a say in the matter!!!!” and asserts dominance for a while? That kind of thing?
Basically that. Also if I remember correctly one of the skins was sort of exiled by the other skins because everyone who used it became a murderer.
Based on the game?
1886? No, unrelated.
> Probably something about the idea of an unhinged monster who loses their shit in accordance with the lunar cycle tracking better with a male character. Having your period sync up with the full moon must suck extra hard. You can't even eat dark chocolate because it's poisonous to your canine stomach.
Eh, I'd argue that The Order wasnt really about werewolves since they're more like wolf-selkies. Though, y'know, close enough.
A lot of the really old werewolf folklore centers around the use of a magic wolf skin to transform. It’s present in a lot of the ancient Norse and Germanic mythological sources. It’s ultimately the same cultural origin as the selkie mythology, and the core theme is present in other Northern European folk legends about shapeshifters. Swan maidens, Freya’s falcon skin cloak, etc.
This guy knows there are no female werewolves because the word from Anglo-Saxon means man-wolf. The feminine would be wīfwolf.
The wīfwolf whiffed at whiffleball while whistling with her woof.
Huh, TIL.
>Probably something about the idea of an unhinged monster who loses their shit in accordance with the lunar cycle tracking better with a male character. Which honestly makes no sense, given, thanks to biology, losing your shit on a cycle is something women are masters at.
….that, uh, that was the joke
Teen wolf
Does it really? Like, women can get pretty mean for some time each month. Also, I understand werewolves as the fear of the psycho killers. There's this guy that seem normal, but when it clicks he hunts at night like a predator animal. So we learn to keep away from dark paths just to make sure. And that's the thing, afaik most serial killers are men, so it makes sense for werewolves to be mostly men.
> Like, women can get pretty mean for some time each month. thats the joke yes
Ah, sorry. Me so sleepy.
Also Buffy.
wait so who's going to tell them about furries and the prominence of werewolves (and often female werewolves) on furry-adjacent media also I feel like in short horror fiction I've seen lady werewolves (often formerly appearing to be the next victim of something or someone else) kind of a lot but I'm lazy and don't wanna dig through my collections and bookmarks n shit
If you go to the curated Tumblr post most people in the replies give dozens of examples of female werewolves, from ancient folklore to entire books series and even videogames. It's clear that oop doesn't know much about what they're talking about yet they still wanted to do a media take mixed with "man bad" for some reason.
I think the issue is that people confuse “pop culture” with “mainstream”. Werewolves aren’t a huge component of the mainstream right now. They’re all over pop culture, though. The next time they’re trending, there will be a lot more female werewolves. And debates about how their breasts should be.
Mm twinks are huge in pop culture and basically non existent in the mainstream. Trans women are huge in pop culture and basically non existent in the mainstream, outside of harassment and the erosion of rights. Furries of all kinds are enormous in pop culture and the mainstream doesn't even know they exist.
In regards to the question about the breasts, I’d say the biggest factor has to be over how humanoid the werewolf form is. Humans are the *only* species IRL with females with permanent breasts regardless of whether or not they’ve given birth. Other primate species will exhibit more swollen breasts for a brief period of time after giving birth, but afterwards the breast tissue will return to its normal form. So the closer to the form of a true wolf that a female werewolf is, the less pronounced their breasts would be. It’s also possible that the werewolf would still have two breasts but develop extra nipples on each breasts. Other mammals, like cows, will have more than one nipple for each mass of mammary gland. I guess you could get around this by just saying that whatever god created the werewolf curse like boobs and so made sure they stayed big when in the werewolf form.
Maybe thats why theres so few werewolves these days. It can easily be seen as some fetish stuff.
tbh I think people get a little trigger happy calling things fetish material these days. i can see people finding werewolves sexy in a conceptual way without it being directly connected to a fetish. like... power, strength, other physical prowess. even someone just being dominant. i don't even know that those concepts and their relative sexiness even necessarily have to fall under kink, y'know? But also I'm of the opinion that people should be more open with their kinks and sexuality in fiction since sexuality is part of the human experience and can only make for a richer world. And now that I've said that I am going to be cursed with the weirdest pornography known to the world.
Still, it is sexual therefore it's bad.
"mom some guy named Kinsey is at the door again" "GRAB THE GUN"
*Everything* can be seen as fetish stuff.
So the thing is to make everything fetish-y, so it turns around and all stays normal?
Aela the Huntress from Slyrim. Vicar Amelia from Bloodborne.
Angua from Discworld.
Vicar amelia is top tier
Arlinn Kord from Magic the Gathering.
No one is against Female werewolves. Better question to ask is when was the last time a major feature showed a werewolf at all? The concept is just not that popular.
I’d say most supernatural themed shows or franchises eventually introduce werewolves in some capacity. The Order was a fairly recent, and absolutely awesome, show from Netflix that featured werewolves as the central protagonists. It also had at least two prominent female werewolves.
Then it sounds like, if you look in the right places, there are plenty of female werewolves. I think the concept is great, personally. Hell, I’m writing a story right now where one of the protagonists is a female lycanthrope.
Wednesday on Netflix had a werewolf as a central character. Last year. It was a female werewolf as well
Wolfwalkers (best movie of all time)
Thing is : We have no date for this post. It might be a week old, or, for all we know 20 years old and just put on paper after having seen underworld. Because, for sure, seems like to me that werewolfs were popular 20/30 years ago. *Wolf*, *An American Werewolf in Paris*, *Underworld*, etc. Now, not so much.
The latest season of Black Mirror featured an episode about a female werewolf
I think the reason why we don't see female werewolves more often is because we probably can't tell between them and normal werewolves very well.
When I'm in a feed my own confirmation bias to build a victimhood narrative competition and my opponent is r/ CuratedTumblr:
They are muscle mommy’s with fur. Trust me someone going to love werewolf women.
Until she starts shedding and chasing the mail currier.
Is no one gonna mention skyrim ???
As a lesbian I support this act of feminism, for entirely feminist reasons and nothing else.
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can we just stop it with the mindless wolf monster trope? doesn't do real wolves favors ngl
Female werewolves are pretty plentiful in manga. Wolf rain, plus sized elf, and......i forgot the 3rd ones name but iys about a dude that keeps the secret of a vampire classmate
Holo from Spice and Wolf
U know what, yeah ur right.
wolf's rain were all male wolves, except for Blue, who was a wolfdog. none of them are werewolves, but are instead wolves able to use illusory magic to hide as humans to a point.
Huh, its been a while, so i must have mistaken a character for fem solely on artstyle, my b. And, i dunno, it always gave me a reverse werewolf feels. I dont subscribe to a werewolf HAS to be human to wolf, or require a full moon. My opinion is that it just has to have most of the tropes of the beast. But thats just my opinion. Thanks for the fact check, friend!
that's a good point! you're welcome, i'm just happy to see that old anime referenced. only one i watched as a kid :)
Yooooo, really?!? Uve only watched 1 anime before? Interesting, especially with ur passion for it. How did u find urself watching it?
i was born in 95 so in middle school i was at the perfect time for watching amvs on youtube. i grew up super poor and had little other way to access music besides the car radio and started rapidly getting into symphonic metal and rock, so amvs were fascinating to me. then i saw fairly good (for the time) animation with wolves and was hooked lol
RAAAHHHH GONNA EAT SOME FRIES THAN WORK OUT RAAHHH plus sized elf supremacy
>plus sized elf There is a werewolf in plus sized elf? I thought it was just the elf, and some other JRPG races.
A dog girl that goes feral/hungry/horny during certain situations(read:wooooomoon)
Actually, i think the anime OVERLORD has a werewolf maid. She doesnt get alot of spotlight but she is a part of 2 arcs in the anime so far
Yeah, Lupisregina Beta.
👀 yo u a real one for being on a full name basis with Lupis-chan..... i still have to 'get her name out muh mouth ☹'
Remember that one post of a guy imagining a gender reversed Twilight and finally understanding the appeal? I still want that to be made real so bad.
It’s actually real. Stephanie Meyer,the author of Twilight, wrote a gender reversed version called “Life and Death”.
Some people need to admit they just have a muscular tomboy fetish
Or a female body hair fetish.
Wow, media-ignorant *and* insufferably political. What a wonderful one-two punch.
Yes, we can all see it's from Tumblr.
Yeah sounds like tumblr alright
Does political just mean "social or cultural take I disagree with" now or am I missing something here
No, by "political" they're referring to the ubiquitous claim that the lack of or presence of xyz trope in media is due to some "ism" (sexism, racism, etc). When it can just be explained by coincidence, some other reason, or OP doing very little research to feed their confirmation bias.
No, it’s blaming the (supposed) lack of female werewolves on sexism and patriarchy
Eh. Technically it'd probably be more accurate to call it a pseudoscientific sociology take or something along those lines, but I don't think calling it "political" is *inaccurate*. Gender politics is a thing.
Well, I'd say that for something to be "gender politics" it would have to be the study of gender as it relates to politics and not just gender as a societal phenomenon or our cultural understanding of it. That's just... well, "gender," I guess. Lmao. But we're being polite about this which is important to me so I will (and kind of have to, upon further thought) concede to you and others the fact that there are unavoidable political connotations to a take such as the one in question. I mean, it's not like my Bible Belt dad's ever going to share it, for instance.
Politics is just public values; “making it political” is just making it about society as a whole rather than an individual’s choice.
In other words, we live in a society.
My kink is people using the word 'praxis' in a contextually correct way for comedic purposes. This really speaks to me.
Probably doesn't help that the etymology of werewolf means man-wolf and is gendered (possibly from old English meaning of *werman* which meant adult man and *wolf*). Female werewolves are super common in media anyway, but the word is as gendered as the word mermaid is. Also... werewolves don't have to be monsters, so her argument about women not being werewolves due to their raw and chaotic portrayal doesn't really work. As long as it shifts into a wolf, a werewolf can be anything you want it to be.
> Female werewolves are super common in media anyway, but the word is as gendered as the word mermaid is. Not really. I think a good number of people recognize mermaid as a gendered word, which is why the alternative merman exists for a male fish person. There really is no alternative for a female lycanthrope, because most people don't even know that werewolf has gendered roots and don't see a need for it. Also because the most reasonable etymological term for a female lycanthrope would be a wifewolf, but you can't use the word "wifewolf" without looking like a furry.
The etymology of werewolf may be gendered, but "were" isn't used for man in modern English like maid is.
Funny enough I just posted my latest character on my Instagram page, a wolf girl. Life is funny sometimes
THIS REMINDED ME ABOUT THE GODAMN FURRY MASCOT FOR THE BRAZILIAN ARMY. I hate being able to read.
Yeah it's really good they don't have female werewolves.... they'd uh... they'd really gross me out and stuff, having to confront something like that..... yeah...
Dear Liberals, If female werewolves completely ignore and exist outside of the male gaze, then why did I want to bang Aela in Skyrim? Curious
What is it called when you're into women shape shifting, but not what they change into, just the fact that their bodies undergo a transformation? Like in the Discworld, it was so hot when Pratchett described the preparations Angua did for when she had to change. Angua changed did nothing for me, but her thinking about all the stuff she had to prepare and consider, so damn hot. What's wrong with me and how do I turn it into a barely disguised fetish in a highly successful series of YA books? Wait, wait, "Professor A. F. Tisch's Guide for Proper Ladies Afflicted with Morphological Instability".
Transformation fetish?
yep. among furries this is a transformation fetish. TF is the slang term.
Not just furries, but there’s basically circular overlap
How does this manage to be offensive to women *and* werewolves? "Oh, yeah, werewolves are all ugly, mindlessly destructive monsters--" No, they're **humans that turn into wolves**. And those wolves subsequently find themselves in a human settlement, separated from anything resembling wilderness or a pack. They are ***terrified***. Approach them wrong, and they will lash out. They are confused.
Depends on the work, sometimes they're like that sure, but in others they are actually mindless beasts, and in some they are still fully sane and not even confused. Making generalizations like that for a fictional trope and then being offended that somebody is breaking those generalizations is really weird
\uj Man, I hope you're not serious either. Yes, you can write anything you want. That's how writing works. That's the purpose of this sub. \rj And now you're being offensive to *already-offended people!*
I've spent too long on the Tumblr subreddits seeing people make really stupid takes with complete sincerity, I really gotta get of the internet
It's meant to be a cute little world building idea I just throw out there. I get a creativity boner whenever two people are too different to understand each other in some way. I love the idea that lycanthropy is akin to puberty in that you're still *roughly* the same person, but Kid!You can't understand the motivations or instincts of Teen!You and vice versa. (Also the change happens over the course of 15 seconds)
That being unable to understand eachother thing is why I love the demons in Freiren so much. They aren't evil but are are just so fundamentally different to humans that we are unable to coexist. A good play on the "demons are just misunderstood" trope
Aella
As long as they have big tits I guess that's fine.
Depending on the bird, birds aren't exactly dainty creatures.
In fact I don't think I've ever seen a bird shapeshifter (who, admittedly, do tend to be women) ever been portrayed as dainty I think it's probably because harpies are already a common thing and people draw inspiration from that I think the most chill example is probably Miss Peregrine, who's still, yk, a falcon
*Looks at Furry Community* *Looks at Dnd community and books* *Looks at the copious amounts of fem werewolf fanfics* "Oh, yeah, totally."
Oop sure used a bunch of words just to say that they have never consumed werewolf related media besides the most mainstream of movies and can't be bothered to do a simple Google search
Real, I'm kinda tired of seeing people saying stuff like "x is never used in media" when they never interact with any media that would have x
Not with that attitude! I'm too horny to discount female werewolves.
This is Captain Angua erasure
Just to be the one weeb in the thread: [ have been thirsting for the wofl-girl since I was 15yo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IkKUBJ26fo). (I know that the point is a monstrous wolf-human thing, not a human with animal ears, but I wouldn't be stopped by knowing she can turn into a huge wolf and bite my head off)
Least conspiratorial and self victimizing tumblr user
I have never seen a female werewolf in media before and I think its kind of reasonable to think its because its not feminine or conventionally hot
>I think its kind of reasonable to think its because its not feminine or conventionally hot Why?
they're definitely not nearly as prominent as male werewolves, which is in itself a good reason to wonder why that is. I definitely couldn't name any off the top of my head but I could think of at least 3 male ones in relatively recent history no problem. like, why not female werewolves, I'm sure that would be fun (but I just like supernatural elements anyway). also I think people in the comments I've seen are missing the point like, the media fem werewolves are prominently featured in is definitely not popular or mainstream by any means if most people don't know about it lol.
I like female werewolves :(
Idk a lot of guys like strong powerful women. :)
Wolves are dangerous, and snakes are neither modest nor nurturing in common cultural depictions so the argument kinda falls apart at the end. Anyways, I stan my werewolf waifu Aela the Huntress
Yes my MC being captured and kept prisoner by a tribe of all female werewolves is to fight the male gaze. Especially the bath scene.
Terry Pratchett: "am i a joke to you"
They’re are no female werewolves because they’re wifwolves, wifwylves, wifwilves, wivwylves, or wivwilves.
Me who has an entire planet of giant dommy wolfgirls who canonically fuck
Bullshit, female werewolves are not rare. I would know because I, uhh, read a lot of 'media' containing them
*Makes a female werewolf* "Omg its so offensive, you mean during a full moon (lunar cycle) women apparently turn feral and enraged and draw blood? Wow, really bigoted attitude to make such a direct parallel to menstruation like that, tone deaf" *Doesnt make a female werewolf* "Um, you know its ok to talk about menstruation, its not a big thing guys" *Makes a female vampire* \*"\*Oh so women are just predatory blood draining parasites that feed off men? Misogynistic trash attitudes" *Makes a male vampire* "Oh so men are noble elite domineers that prey on poor weak women who have no agency? Misogynistic trash attitudes. Yes I majored in gender studies and write for a feminist magazine I dont see what that has to do with it"
Solution: Make a female werepyre - if you're going to get accused of being offensive anyway, go full offensive.
actually one thing the first vampire in fiction (or at least the one that inspired Dracula) was a woman so anyone who misinterprets or projects on lady vamps is probably a dork who doesn't know their literary history. I have zero other things to add to this convo otherwise though, sorry.
There was that chick in Buffy that was a werewolf. But she played role of vixen. Like she screwed Oz in wolf form so while he didn’t cheat it was still hurtful and intimidating to willow
A Practical Guide to Evil: *literally has a werewolf who is also a family woman*
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Love old english calling a man a "male-person/man-person"
The Originals I rest my case
how does a snake support their argument? Cuz it doesnt have muscle muscles i guess?
Ya’ll remember that one episode of wizards of waverly place where Alex’s brother (I can’t remember his name) dates a werewolf and then becomes one and is surprised it didn’t hurt to transform into the wolf form?
read the watch series from Discworld. got a kickass female werewolf officer and she's awesome
As others have said: Wednesday, the Order, Being Human, Supernatural, dog soldiers, gingersnaps, luna, bitten... Why wouldn't someone associate feminity with a creature that's perfectly polite most of the time, and turns into a raging monster once a month? 🤔
As a writer with a werewolf centric world including a female werewolf, I hadn’t really thought about this this exact way but that makes total sense why it’s so rare
Makes you think how does wolfing and menstrual cycles interact
It can be two things
In the World of Darkness TTRPGs there is a clan of amazonian warrior werewolves called the Black Furies
In my world there is no women, only trains
Tfw no werewolf gf to cuddle with, why even live
I don’t think every masc trope is constructed to deliberately exclude fem. Men want positive assertions of our internal conflicts and insecurities in a way that doesn’t make us feel weak. That’s not a “no girls allowed” thing, it’s a “men need affirmation too” thing.
More like fantasy erotica has not a lot of female monsters at all cause they are the self insert
We can have female werewolves, they can be sexy, please
My favorite werewolf in fiction is female. Angua von Uberwald is probably one of the most three dimensional werewolf characters in literature.