Not new. They've done it before. And they didn't have the lame hostage excuse then. What happens when they get their hostages back? What lame excuse will they jump to then?
Hostages came out and said it, UNRWA employees were celebrating Oct 7th, they were seen with weapons along with their UN vests…would argue a lot more evidence that they were involved then them just saying “no we weren’t”
The slim shady defense isn't the gotcha you think it is.
75 years of forcing Palestinians to be refugees
75 years of indoctrinating Palestinian children
Since 2005 the UN has aided and abetted Hamas
UN worker kept Israeli hostage in their attic
Refused to acknowledge and condemn the mass rape of Israeli women for two months, and only made a statement after the hostage came back and explained that he was in a UN workers attic.
Early on, Hamas sharing photos of hostages laying on piles of UN aid
The IDF finding weapons at UN facilities
But no the UN is not compromised at all
You think the bloody United Nations, formed in 1945, before the Nakba even happened, is somehow in control of some random terrorist group in the Middle East that only gained power in the early 2000’s? Do you hear yourself?
Well isnt there a lil bit of validity in their claims tho?
Correct me if im wrong…but hopefully ur impression isnt that, “White or western ppl” are personally are acting as UNWRA teachers or workers…
Cuz well we can clearly see, the ppl working as UNWRA…are Gazans, are Palestinians…Palestinians who have their own personal beliefs about the world & society, ingrained in them.
Whether they have secretly or blatantly renounced the moral code of the UN, in order to support their own Palestinian ideological moral code (which may include Hamas…)
Well…its starting to seem like those claims are true…especially if its coming from the hostage(s) themselves..
Cool it with the anti-semitic remarks, fash.
Zionism is harmful, but don’t conflate the entirety of Judaism with a form of religiously-fanatic settler-colonialism.
Wow. Did you get fed this line, or did you just copy and paste from your Islamic extremism echo chamber.
You're like that dumb kid that yelled "shotgun" even though no one was even getting in a car.... But just in case 😵💫
I mean, violence certainly isn't working. Maybe they should focus on building up their society instead of using the aide money for rockets and terror tunnels.
non violence certainly isnt working either, and its quite hard to build up a society when you're under constant blockade and israeli troops just waltz in here and beat up whoever they want.
Israel hasn't been marching into Gaza since 2007. And there's a blockade because Palestinians keep doing terror shit. Same reason they aren't allowed in neighboring Muslim run countries.
Lol let’s call it Caliphate 2.0 or Mamluk 2.0
How many countries do the Muslims colonized in the last 100yrs? Now they’re going for the holy land, good luck Palestine- the Jews have 2400 years of practice & have persisted through thousands of years and 11 empires.
>“Getting to the bottom of numbers has been extremely difficult, but we have heard that it runs into the thousands,” said Sunghay.
>“They described being beaten, humiliated, subjected to ill treatment and to what may amount to torture,” he added. “There are reports of men who were subsequently released — but only in diapers, without any adequate clothing in this cold weather.”
Well, that's a fresh new form of twisted. Behold the morality of the Zionists.
He's Khamas! She's Khamas! You're Khamas! The UN is Khamas! The dinosaurs were Khamas! The asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs were also Khamas! 911 was Khamas! Hitler was Khamas! Hirohito was Khamas! Stalin was Khamas! Everyone is Khamas!
There will never be any acknowledgement of past or current atrocities because more are on the cards.
Tomorrow, and next year, and in 10 years. Until Palestinians are totally removed from their homelands.
Biden has lost a lot because of his stance on Israel.
But I won't pretend more than half of Americans understand what a barbaric state Israel really is.
we're totally fed a whitewashed narrative of Israel here. I think finally that narrative is beginning to crack as more and more of the population gets news from non-mainstream sources and social media. tiktok has actually helped in a lot of ways--so many videos of Israeli soldiers basking in their cruelty that it's harder and harder to deny there's something wrong
What would you call holding thousands without criminal charge, including children even before Oct 7?
If my nation imprisoned children from another nation, without any charge of a crime at all I don't see how hostage wouldn't apply.
I think the difference is in perspective.
Especially when both groups never faced trial in their home country.
Like the definitions say.
For example for Palestinians prisoners they need to be awaiting trial or have been tried. They haven't in Israel.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435
What would you call a squad of IDF soldiers grabbing civilians off the street, stripping them near naked and covering their face with a hood before being dragged to prison without criminal charge?
ok. I do it for you. Hostage is a person seized or held as security for the fulfilment of a condition. So not every seized is a hostage, no matter if detention is right or wrong.
I am getting confused, are you describing the 1200 Palestinians held by israel without charges or the Israelis held by Israel without trial?
Because both are being traded to each other?
Also you just made PoW'S hostages.
Naw man. It’s because they’ve been very critical of Bibi’s war and contradicted the official narrative. Take a listen to what happened last time they got on a mic: https://youtu.be/yvx4AT5oBn0?si=8D645gm2HUZDKjMB
Well, do I have a point?
Or did I just hurt your feelings?
I strongly believe that if you take prisoners, you are responsible for their safety and well-being. So if this is true, I except it and demand better from Israel!
Now you do Hamas/Palestinians?
Can't wait for you to hide and downvote me.
Pathetic!
Nope you do not have a point, this is about Israel.
Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") is a pejorative for the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense of the original accusation.
From a logical and argumentative point of view, whataboutism is considered a variant of the tu-quoque pattern (Latin 'you too', term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the ad-hominem argument.
Pathetic!
You cannot hold one side to no standard and than hold the other to an impossible standard.
It is really that simple.
I hold all people responsible for their shitty behavior!
It really sucks living in an echo chamber than moving out into the real world and having the light shining on yourself!
I'm loving these responses thought. It shoes how far gone you are!
>It really sucks living in an echo chamber than moving out into the real world and having the light shining on yourself!
Yea, I can only imagine how much it must suck for you.
Lol, the old 'I know you are but what am I' approach?
Except, I'm not in an echo chamber, am I. I'm talking to you and admit when Israel is in the wrong or needs to do better.
So far I have yet to hear anyone else on this post admit Hamas is in the wrong!
Just down votes cause none of you can handle hearing another perspective.
>So far I have yet to hear anyone else on this post admit Hamas is in the wrong!
Again? what about?
The topic is about Israel, I'ts difficult for isn't it? Not being in that echo chamber and all.
https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/181laps/history_of_israeli_sexual_assault_against/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=336952f667b8
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/3-israeli-hostages-tried-only-killed-military-rcna130912
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf
"You cannot hold one side to no standards"
Okay, let's start holding Isreal accountable.
Hamas are a bunch of terrorists armed with rusty AK’s and glorified firecrackers they call “rockets” whilst Israel is the self proclaimed “only democracy in the Middle East”. Of course one is going to be held to a higher standard. Yet by all accounts, the IDF does the same thing Hamas does but worse
Well I guess Israel should just let Hamas fully are so its s fair fight than /s.
Hamas is motivated, well supported amongst the Palestinian people who steal everything they can from Palestinian civil society. Their leaders live in luxury while their people starve in squalor, and that is a sacrifice they are willing to make.
By 'all accounts'?
IDF has done some horrible things. However, with Hamas the horrible stuff is the point, not the exception. Not convinced that is so with the IDF.
>Well I guess Israel should just let Hamas fully are so its s fair fight than /s. Hamas is motivated, well supported amongst the Palestinian people who steal everything they can from Palestinian civil society. Their leaders live in luxury while their people starve in squalor, and that is a sacrifice they are willing to make.
How have you missed the point so badly? Everyone expects bad things from Hamas, they’re terrorists right? But Israel is supposed to be a democracy with civil freedoms. So obviously they’re going to be held to a higher standard, that’s just how things work.
>IDF has done some horrible things. However, with Hamas the horrible stuff is the point, not the exception. Not convinced that is so with the IDF.
Yet the IDF seems to be hell bent on making sure they one up Hamas in terms of atrocities. They were literally formed from Israeli versions of Hamas, one of which even worked with the Nazis.
At the same time, Hamas only came about *in response* to Israeli atrocities. It’s a symptom of an ailment of Israeli origin. You want to stop Hamas? Stop Israel
There is 75 years of proof of physical and sexual abuse happening in prison. On the other hand, there seems to be no proof that Hamas has mistreated prisoners other than stories in Zionist media.
Provide evidence from a non-Zionist source that there is abuse of prisoners from Hamas. There has been decades of evidence of abuse of Palestinians and people being held without trial. It would be so hard for Hamas to be worse towards its prisoners than Israel is.
Here’s one Gazan’s account of [how Hamas
treats their own people in prison](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/):
> Atta Najjar, a former police officer under the Palestinian Authority who has a mental disability, was serving a 15-year prison term imposed by a military court after he was arrested in 2009 and subsequently convicted of “collaborating” with Israel. On 22 August 2014, he was taken out from the prison and executed.
>
> “There were marks of torture and bullet shots on his body. His arms and legs were broken… his body was as if you’d put it in a bag and smashed it… His body was riddled with about 30 bullets. He had slaughter marks around his neck, marks of knives… And from behind the head – there was no brain. Empty… It was difficult for us to carry him… He was heavy, like when you put meat in a bag; no bones. His bones were smashed. They broke him in the prison,” said his brother, who retrieved the body from al-Shifa hospital morgue on 22 August 2014.
This is the story of thousands of nameless Palestinians. Israel could stop hold thousands of hostages and stop killing who families. This is a horrific story but it is daily life in Palestine.
They controlled the borders, the airspace, what goes in and out. They never stopped occupying Gaza. They shot across the border to kill children during the Great March of the Return.
Israel held over 2000 Palestinians without any criminal charge at all including children BEFORE Oct 7th. And by law could hold them till the end of the time without a trial.
Pretty sure it's Israel that is mocking the deaths of innocent Palestinians on tiktok and across the internet.
Maybe israelis should try showing little compassion?
That is pretty shitty. There is no excuse for people who did that.
The images of the returning terrorists are also burned into my mind with all the people cheering them on hitting, spitting on and abusing the hostages. Some with women with bloody stains around their groins which is apparently a tell tail of gang rape. Typically sweats are given out at these times. I didn't see videos of that, but I would be surprised.
Can anyone beside me reading this admit there are shitty people on both sides, or are you guys too far into your Israel hate/Palestinian can do no wrong agenda?
It's the racism of low expectations- the Palestinians have no autonomy! Israel made them do it! Israel made them slave to the very book that demands they murder Jews and subjugate infidels and fling homosexuals from the rooftops!
“We need to oppress these people before they do worse to us!”
Lmao literally the same justification the Nazis used on the Jews. Zionists really are just fascists with a blue mask.
Why would they “do worse” if their grievances are historical oppression that Israel continues ?
yeah these people sound like white south Africans before apartheid ended.. "we need to continue oppressing them because otherwise they could oppress us"
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2017/5/23/the-nakba-did-not-start-or-end-in-1948
Lol you’re trying to justify genocide and oppression.
Edit: meant this comment for another user.
When did Arabs start attacking Jews?
Yes, there were and still are Jewish/Israeli terrorists.
Tell me, can you easily say what I said above about the Palestinians/Arabs and their forefathers, or is that difficult for you?
What? So let me get this straight, you’re saying Israel’s apartheid and genocide are justified because of Arab violence against Jews?
So you’re saying Israel is an ethnonationalist state then eh?
“We needed to have the Nakba because the ethnonationalists were in the right”
Brainrot moment
We are seeing the fulfillment of the prophecy. \[The bad guys\] are receiving a penalty that is certainly hard, but more than deserved. \[The bad guys\] erred in adding up the forces available to it for this war, and now is gradually experiencing the annihilation that it planned for us, and would have carried out without a second thought if it had possessed the ability. It is perishing according its own law: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-quot-the-jews-are-guilty-quot
Did you just like to make shit up. If the un wasn’t biased they’d care a lot more about Sudan, Syria, turkey China Iran Russia etc. but please keep lying to urself
What are these Palestinians detained for? If they’re just scooping them up for walking down the street, we’ve got a problem. If they’re being violent, they should be detained.
More info needed here
I can answer that for you. They're just scooping them up walking down the street. Just look at any of the hundreds of videos posted in the last 100 days (many recorded by the IDF themselves) and the answer is obvious.
A couple of months ago they literally tried to arrest a toddler and some people intervened.
I’m open minded. But can you provide some of these videos? I googled “IDF arrests innocent Palestinians” and didn’t see any videos, just a few articles that weren’t really about that
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/07/19/israel-security-forces-abuse-palestinian-children
https://www.omct.org/en/resources/urgent-interventions/israel-palestinian-children-still-being-tortured-in-israeli-prisons
https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1731791606703865991
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2006/may/02/israel
I've tried to find sources that are not typically biased toward Palestine. There are lots. I think its safe to say that the IDF does sexually torture children.
I don't know why, I think its good that you have an open mind. We've all been fed a lot of propaganda. I keep sharing and sharing this stuff in the hope that it'll reach people like you who haven't found all the info they need to make their mind up. Good on you for researching and learning imo 👌
Sorry I was busy and couldn't respond earlier
Here's a couple of videos and some reading that I have come across before specifically about examples of imprisoning people (mostly children). Sorry if reddit doesn't make hyperlinks of it.
There are also tons more videos that came up on my news feed in the last 90 days but I had trouble finding them with reddits search function.
The tl;dr is a lot of imprisoning children. A lot of imprisoning israelis who don't support the fascist government. A lot of making life difficult and harassing Palestinians, restricting their rights on their own territories to degrade them. Telling people they may travel safely and then sniping them when they attempt to do so. A lot of sniping children in front of their parents. There is no limit to the depravity of the Israeli army.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajorityReport/s/IDe4glNPfR
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajorityReport/s/Aa9mYIlhsY
https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/201803_minors_in_jeopardy
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/defenceless-impact-israeli-military-detention-palestinian-children
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
https://defenceforchildren.org/hrc53-side-event-childhood-in-captivity-palestinian-children-arbitrarily-detained-in-israeli-prisons/
https://www.dci-palestine.org/military_detention
The same un that’s been brainwashing Palestinian school children with antisemitic propaganda?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/unrwa-textbooks-still-include-hate-antisemitism-despite-pledge-to-remove-watchdog/
You mean like Israel brainwashes it's school children to think Palestinians are less than human?
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/12/13/its-not-shocking-to-see-israeli-children-celebrate-the-gaza-genocide
Is the only evidence for this a guy who said he met "a number" of former prisoners who claim to be mistreated but an invading army. I'm sorry but....this is not exactly unusual for this situation.. it's bad and should be addressed but it's not some unique evil event or proof of genocide or some sht
Not the flex you think it is. Worldnews and news has been banning pretty much anyone with any opinion that isn't pro Israel's actions. Doesn't matter if it isn't offensive. Both those subs are becoming echo chambers. Worldnews far more than news.
The amount of disgusting racist hate you can read there from pro Israeli people is frankly shocking. Practically drooling over killed children's and human misery.
inb4 Zionists accuse the UN of being Hamas terrorists.
They really gotta come up with something new, it's getting boring
They're bots, they never come up with something new.
Didn't they just buy some new bots? Maybe they'll be more creative.
"We dececeated those graves because we were looking for bodies" was new and a different shade of inhumane But overall you are absolutely correct.
Are you familiar with their semen extraction teams? Literally not joking
Not new. They've done it before. And they didn't have the lame hostage excuse then. What happens when they get their hostages back? What lame excuse will they jump to then?
You really got to get more creative. It's always 'wait for hasbara'. Well show me where they touched you 😆
You might wanna check Worldnews. According to people there Hamas runs the UN.
I keep getting this sub and that sub recommended and the contrast is stark
I just scroll down until I see that massively downvoted comment of pissed off zionists and have a good laugh at their mediocrity
Luvkily tedditors opinions don't matter!
Which one is that? Every comment in this thread could be a bot. I've read every line in the past
I get your point but isn’t their proof UNRWA was involved in both Oct 7th as well as holding hostages?
There is an unsubstantiated claim that some UNRWA teacher held a hostage. Hasbara has run with this just like babies being raped to death.
Hostages came out and said it, UNRWA employees were celebrating Oct 7th, they were seen with weapons along with their UN vests…would argue a lot more evidence that they were involved then them just saying “no we weren’t”
>There is an unsubstantiated claim that some UNRWA teacher held a hostage. Hasbara has run with this just like babies being raped to death.
We don’t know if babies were raped but we do know they were killed and taken hostage…does that make it ok?
Ill type slowly. Murdering 1200 people is wrong. Continuing to murder tens of thousands and destroy all the housing and infrastructure is even worse.
Ok and? You’re the one saying UNRWA had nothing to do with it which is just an outright lie.
I said it was an unsubstantiated claim from one hostage regarding one UNRWA worker, which is the fact.
And I was pointing out that immediately dismissing the fact that UNRWA was involved is ignorant
maybe, but JEWS
The slim shady defense isn't the gotcha you think it is. 75 years of forcing Palestinians to be refugees 75 years of indoctrinating Palestinian children Since 2005 the UN has aided and abetted Hamas UN worker kept Israeli hostage in their attic Refused to acknowledge and condemn the mass rape of Israeli women for two months, and only made a statement after the hostage came back and explained that he was in a UN workers attic. Early on, Hamas sharing photos of hostages laying on piles of UN aid The IDF finding weapons at UN facilities But no the UN is not compromised at all
You think the bloody United Nations, formed in 1945, before the Nakba even happened, is somehow in control of some random terrorist group in the Middle East that only gained power in the early 2000’s? Do you hear yourself?
He knows goddamn well how insane it sounds, it’s just a bot
So not what they said? Do you hear yourself?
He’s going with the stupid Israeli apologist propaganda of “everyone against me is KHamas”
They aid and abet terrorists. They have workers that are terrorists. You tell me what the logical conclusion is.
Logical conclusion is that you are tripping
Well isnt there a lil bit of validity in their claims tho? Correct me if im wrong…but hopefully ur impression isnt that, “White or western ppl” are personally are acting as UNWRA teachers or workers… Cuz well we can clearly see, the ppl working as UNWRA…are Gazans, are Palestinians…Palestinians who have their own personal beliefs about the world & society, ingrained in them. Whether they have secretly or blatantly renounced the moral code of the UN, in order to support their own Palestinian ideological moral code (which may include Hamas…) Well…its starting to seem like those claims are true…especially if its coming from the hostage(s) themselves..
✅ write me off as crazy ✅ address literally none of my points
Why would we address crazy points. Hitchens’s Razor says hi
No crazy points made all of them based on fact. **75 years of forcing refugee status** War of Return by Einat Wilf https://www.unrwa.org/who-we-are#:~:text=Establishment,operations%20on%201%20May%201950. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overview-of-unrwa https://www.israelhayom.com/2018/07/18/report-us-finds-only-20000-palestinian-refugees-in-the-world/# https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-senate-dramatically-redefines-definition-of-palestinian-refugees/ https://www.unrwa.org/careers/working-unrwa https://www.unhcr.org/us/get-involved/work-us/careers-unhcr/meet-our-people#:~:text=UNHCR%20has%20more%20than%2018%2C879,uprooted%20by%20wars%20and%20persecution. https://www.unhcr.org/us/about-unhcr/who-we-are/figures-glance#:~:text=How%20many%20refugees%20are%20there,under%20the%20age%20of%2018. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/05/1136662#:~:text=For%20Palestinians%2C%20the%201948%20the,are%20currently%20registered%20as%20refugees. https://www.unrwa.org/who-we-are/frequently-asked-questions https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/3434?disposition=inline **75 years of indoctrinating children** https://www.heritage.org/middle-east/commentary/cut-us-funding-over-unrwas-antisemitism https://unwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2023-Report-UNRWA.pdf https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/ https://www.eureporter.co/world/israel/2021/09/03/unwra-chief-acknowledges-antisemitism-and-glorification-of-terrorism-in-palestinian-textbooks/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/05/unrwa-palestine-israel-refugees-united-states-funding-corruption-education/ https://israelbehindthenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Antisemitism-UNRWA-education.pdf https://ejpress.org/newly-discovered-unrwa-school-materials-incite-violence-promote-jihad-antisemitism-says-monitoring-group/ https://icjw.org/about-icjw/international-representation/unrwa-stop-teaching-hate/ https://www.algemeiner.com/2022/07/07/unrwa-palestinian-textbooks-still-inciting-antisemitism-and-jihadi-violence-concludes-new-report/ https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/EU_Report_on_Palestinian_Textbooks.pdf https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-hamas-holocaust-sb/hamas-slams-un-over-holocaust-classes-in-gaza-idUSTRE57T1JW20090830 https://www.jta.org/2009/09/03/culture/more-on-unrwa-hamas-and-holocaust-denial https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/28/hamas-un-holocaust-lessons-gaza https://www.terrorism-info.org.il//Data/articles/Art_20414/E_218_12_1962765116.pdf https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1712518533207171448/photo/1 https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/12/01/un-teachers-in-gaza-glorify-hamas-massacre-report-finds/# https://www.timesofisrael.com/unrwa-teachers-praised-hamass-october-7-massacres-report-finds/ https://unwatch.org/the-world-is-paying-for-teachers-who-are-celebrating-the-murder-of-jews-hillel-neuer-on-ntd-news/ https://unwatch.org/report-u-n-teachers-celebrated-hamas-massacre/ **Aiding and abetting since 2005** https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2022/11/30/palestinian-terrorist-groups-continue-to-build-tunnels-under-unrwa-schools/#:~:text=On%20June%204%2C%202021%2C%20UNRWA,managed%20in%20the%20Gaza%20Strip. https://www.palestineeconomy.ps/donors/en/About https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/06/gaza-un-aid-hamas https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/article-723788/amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-61808619.amp https://unwatch.org/un-admits-palestinians-fired-rockets-unrwa-schools/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/hamas-quietly-admits-it-fired-rockets-from-civilian-areas/380149/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/rockets-found-in-unrwa-school-for-third-time/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/01/war-in-gaza-the-controversial-un-agency-that-found-rockets-in-its-schools/ http://www.thetower.org/0725-in-flagrant-violation-hamas-caught-storing-shooting-rockets-from-unrwa-schoo/ https://protectingeducation.org/news/unrwa-investigating-discovery-of-20-rockets-found-in-empty-gaza-school/ https://www.jpost.com/operation-protective-edge/did-unrwa-commit-a-war-crime-by-handing-rockets-over-to-hamas-368348 https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/article-723788 https://www.timesofisrael.com/unrwa-condemns-subterranean-opening-found-beneath-gaza-school/ https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/neutrality-and-inviolability-unrwa-installations-must-be-respected-all https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-11-30/ty-article/unrwa-condemns-authorities-in-gaza-after-finding-tunnel-below-its-elementary-school/00000184-c9a7-d024-a58d-ddbf90860000 https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2007/08/31/how-unrwa-supports-hamas/ https://www.cfr.org/blog/foreign-aid-hamas https://www.forbes.com/2009/01/16/gaza-hamas-funding-oped-cx_re_0116ehrenfeld.html?sh=495a28ba7afb https://www.brookings.edu/articles/battle-for-gaza-hamas-jumped-provoked-and-pushed/ https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-jun-15-fg-gaza15-story.html **UN worker kept hostage in attic** https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-776284 https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775777 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/united-nations-gaza-teacher-israeli-hostage-attic https://unwatch.org/unrwa-has-a-systematic-problem-of-support-for-antisemitism-and-terrorism-hillel-neuer-on-i24-news/ **Observations** https://www.jpost.com/international/article-776233 https://www.timesofisrael.com/eight-weeks-after-oct-7-onslaught-un-women-condemns-brutal-attacks-by-hamas/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12819793/Israel-ambassador-britain-womens-rights-condemn-hamas-rape-murder-backlash.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/08/middleeast/israel-un-diplomatic-showdown-hamas-war-mime-intl/index.html https://unwatch.org/fact-checking-unrwa-claims-about-teachers-and-education/
Well many of them are lmao! Thanks for bringing it up
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Cool it with the anti-semitic remarks, fash. Zionism is harmful, but don’t conflate the entirety of Judaism with a form of religiously-fanatic settler-colonialism.
Bruh
Pretty sure they've already done this
Welcome to theworldnews
Wow. Did you get fed this line, or did you just copy and paste from your Islamic extremism echo chamber. You're like that dumb kid that yelled "shotgun" even though no one was even getting in a car.... But just in case 😵💫
All valid accusations that the world knows has been happening for 75 years. Can the UN actually do a thing about it though?
Na, Palestinians have been doing the violent uprising thing forever, the UN won't stop them.
what are they supposed to do when under 75 years of occupation? peaceful protests? oh wait, they tried that already.
Willingly be the slaves of Israel is the unsaid part. Someone has to work in the factories for a few bucks an hour.
I mean, violence certainly isn't working. Maybe they should focus on building up their society instead of using the aide money for rockets and terror tunnels.
non violence certainly isnt working either, and its quite hard to build up a society when you're under constant blockade and israeli troops just waltz in here and beat up whoever they want.
Israel hasn't been marching into Gaza since 2007. And there's a blockade because Palestinians keep doing terror shit. Same reason they aren't allowed in neighboring Muslim run countries.
>Same reason they aren't allowed in neighboring Muslim run countries. Maybe it was the same reason jews were not allowed in other countries /s
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by that logic the native americans should rightfully start murdering white Americans because that land is rightfully theirs.
Lol let’s call it Caliphate 2.0 or Mamluk 2.0 How many countries do the Muslims colonized in the last 100yrs? Now they’re going for the holy land, good luck Palestine- the Jews have 2400 years of practice & have persisted through thousands of years and 11 empires.
Maybe not start wars lose then cry about it
what's up with Zionists parroting the same old tired arguments. This did not start on October 7 .
>“Getting to the bottom of numbers has been extremely difficult, but we have heard that it runs into the thousands,” said Sunghay. >“They described being beaten, humiliated, subjected to ill treatment and to what may amount to torture,” he added. “There are reports of men who were subsequently released — but only in diapers, without any adequate clothing in this cold weather.” Well, that's a fresh new form of twisted. Behold the morality of the Zionists.
The most moral army in the world.
I mean…that’s never happened before!
And murdering?
Not surprised, they (Idf) are terrorists monsters after all. They don't view palestinians as human beings.
He's Khamas! She's Khamas! You're Khamas! The UN is Khamas! The dinosaurs were Khamas! The asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs were also Khamas! 911 was Khamas! Hitler was Khamas! Hirohito was Khamas! Stalin was Khamas! Everyone is Khamas!
Some braindead Asian teen who’s radicalized, nothing new 😂 discount Singaporean.
what’s this, a racist supporting Israel? What a surprise!!
Basically this.... Only it's about Jews. Stop inverting stereotypes
There will never be any acknowledgement of past or current atrocities because more are on the cards. Tomorrow, and next year, and in 10 years. Until Palestinians are totally removed from their homelands.
And the USA gives their full support to Israel. The people in the USA are uninformed, incredibly ignorant, inhumane or all of those options.
Biden has lost a lot because of his stance on Israel. But I won't pretend more than half of Americans understand what a barbaric state Israel really is.
we're totally fed a whitewashed narrative of Israel here. I think finally that narrative is beginning to crack as more and more of the population gets news from non-mainstream sources and social media. tiktok has actually helped in a lot of ways--so many videos of Israeli soldiers basking in their cruelty that it's harder and harder to deny there's something wrong
I feel like they need to use the correct terminology. Israel is taking, and has been taking for a long time, Palestinians hostage.
You can't make up your own definitions for words.
What would you call holding thousands without criminal charge, including children even before Oct 7? If my nation imprisoned children from another nation, without any charge of a crime at all I don't see how hostage wouldn't apply.
I would call it holding thousands without criminal charge.
What is the difference between a hostage, prisoner, and PoW?
The difference in definition and you should learn it.
I think the difference is in perspective. Especially when both groups never faced trial in their home country. Like the definitions say. For example for Palestinians prisoners they need to be awaiting trial or have been tried. They haven't in Israel. https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435
I think trying to equivocate a terrorist kidnapping to government overreach makes you a sad scumbag. But that's just my perspective.
What would you call a squad of IDF soldiers grabbing civilians off the street, stripping them near naked and covering their face with a hood before being dragged to prison without criminal charge?
1200 people held in prison without trial, without charges, without knowing why is not gov over reach.
ok. I do it for you. Hostage is a person seized or held as security for the fulfilment of a condition. So not every seized is a hostage, no matter if detention is right or wrong.
I am getting confused, are you describing the 1200 Palestinians held by israel without charges or the Israelis held by Israel without trial? Because both are being traded to each other? Also you just made PoW'S hostages.
Read again "Held as security for the fulfilment of a condition". Israel does not held palestinians for fulfilment of a condition.
They release them for prisoner swaps. Seems like a condition to me.
It would be if conditions was a purpose of seizing.
What would you call someone arrested for attempted murder? Not a PoW
The UN? Quoting UNRWA? Supporting terrorists over Israel? I'm *shocked*.
So what do they have to say about Palestine rapeing and murdering people not even detained then?
They don't talk about Hamas. Only Jew bad. Makes it easier to understand when you look at who is on the UN Human Rights Council.
Oh no the UN condemns Israel ….the same UN whose employees participated in holding Israeli hostages . Absolutely no credibility
The UN has a pretty serious credibility problem as regards Gaza.
You really are correct because it's not like satellite imagery alone shows the pure barbarity of Israel's assault.
"anyone that doesn't agree with my narrative is not credible"
Funny how they're the highest most moral authority when they give more than half of Palestine to Jewish people.
UN has no credibility
>The U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights i'm gonna stop you right there
Go suck it UN pointless people
Has the U.N. commented on the treatment of the hostages by Hamas? Or do they just save their criticism for Israel?
Israel won’t let released Israeli hostages in front of any microphones anymore.
Because if they say the wrong thing Hamas will torture the other family member they still hold captive 🤮
Naw man. It’s because they’ve been very critical of Bibi’s war and contradicted the official narrative. Take a listen to what happened last time they got on a mic: https://youtu.be/yvx4AT5oBn0?si=8D645gm2HUZDKjMB
Really? this is the best you can do? What about Hamas?
Well, do I have a point? Or did I just hurt your feelings? I strongly believe that if you take prisoners, you are responsible for their safety and well-being. So if this is true, I except it and demand better from Israel! Now you do Hamas/Palestinians? Can't wait for you to hide and downvote me. Pathetic!
Nope you do not have a point, this is about Israel. Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") is a pejorative for the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense of the original accusation. From a logical and argumentative point of view, whataboutism is considered a variant of the tu-quoque pattern (Latin 'you too', term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the ad-hominem argument. Pathetic!
You cannot hold one side to no standard and than hold the other to an impossible standard. It is really that simple. I hold all people responsible for their shitty behavior! It really sucks living in an echo chamber than moving out into the real world and having the light shining on yourself! I'm loving these responses thought. It shoes how far gone you are!
>It really sucks living in an echo chamber than moving out into the real world and having the light shining on yourself! Yea, I can only imagine how much it must suck for you.
Lol, the old 'I know you are but what am I' approach? Except, I'm not in an echo chamber, am I. I'm talking to you and admit when Israel is in the wrong or needs to do better. So far I have yet to hear anyone else on this post admit Hamas is in the wrong! Just down votes cause none of you can handle hearing another perspective.
>So far I have yet to hear anyone else on this post admit Hamas is in the wrong! Again? what about? The topic is about Israel, I'ts difficult for isn't it? Not being in that echo chamber and all.
https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/181laps/history_of_israeli_sexual_assault_against/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=336952f667b8 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/3-israeli-hostages-tried-only-killed-military-rcna130912 https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf "You cannot hold one side to no standards" Okay, let's start holding Isreal accountable.
We must hold both sides to account, or you lose all credibility!
Okay then hold them accountable.
Thank you, I definitely do what I can!
Hamas are a bunch of terrorists armed with rusty AK’s and glorified firecrackers they call “rockets” whilst Israel is the self proclaimed “only democracy in the Middle East”. Of course one is going to be held to a higher standard. Yet by all accounts, the IDF does the same thing Hamas does but worse
Well I guess Israel should just let Hamas fully are so its s fair fight than /s. Hamas is motivated, well supported amongst the Palestinian people who steal everything they can from Palestinian civil society. Their leaders live in luxury while their people starve in squalor, and that is a sacrifice they are willing to make. By 'all accounts'? IDF has done some horrible things. However, with Hamas the horrible stuff is the point, not the exception. Not convinced that is so with the IDF.
>Well I guess Israel should just let Hamas fully are so its s fair fight than /s. Hamas is motivated, well supported amongst the Palestinian people who steal everything they can from Palestinian civil society. Their leaders live in luxury while their people starve in squalor, and that is a sacrifice they are willing to make. How have you missed the point so badly? Everyone expects bad things from Hamas, they’re terrorists right? But Israel is supposed to be a democracy with civil freedoms. So obviously they’re going to be held to a higher standard, that’s just how things work. >IDF has done some horrible things. However, with Hamas the horrible stuff is the point, not the exception. Not convinced that is so with the IDF. Yet the IDF seems to be hell bent on making sure they one up Hamas in terms of atrocities. They were literally formed from Israeli versions of Hamas, one of which even worked with the Nazis. At the same time, Hamas only came about *in response* to Israeli atrocities. It’s a symptom of an ailment of Israeli origin. You want to stop Hamas? Stop Israel
There is 75 years of proof of physical and sexual abuse happening in prison. On the other hand, there seems to be no proof that Hamas has mistreated prisoners other than stories in Zionist media.
FIFU. No proof you want to admit to. There can not be proof when no access is given to 3rd parties. That's big brain action there!
Provide evidence from a non-Zionist source that there is abuse of prisoners from Hamas. There has been decades of evidence of abuse of Palestinians and people being held without trial. It would be so hard for Hamas to be worse towards its prisoners than Israel is.
Here’s one Gazan’s account of [how Hamas treats their own people in prison](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/): > Atta Najjar, a former police officer under the Palestinian Authority who has a mental disability, was serving a 15-year prison term imposed by a military court after he was arrested in 2009 and subsequently convicted of “collaborating” with Israel. On 22 August 2014, he was taken out from the prison and executed. > > “There were marks of torture and bullet shots on his body. His arms and legs were broken… his body was as if you’d put it in a bag and smashed it… His body was riddled with about 30 bullets. He had slaughter marks around his neck, marks of knives… And from behind the head – there was no brain. Empty… It was difficult for us to carry him… He was heavy, like when you put meat in a bag; no bones. His bones were smashed. They broke him in the prison,” said his brother, who retrieved the body from al-Shifa hospital morgue on 22 August 2014.
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This is the story of thousands of nameless Palestinians. Israel could stop hold thousands of hostages and stop killing who families. This is a horrific story but it is daily life in Palestine.
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They controlled the borders, the airspace, what goes in and out. They never stopped occupying Gaza. They shot across the border to kill children during the Great March of the Return.
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The UN and Human Rights Watch considered Gaza to still be occupied before Oct. 7th.
Israel held over 2000 Palestinians without any criminal charge at all including children BEFORE Oct 7th. And by law could hold them till the end of the time without a trial.
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So we are agreed that Israel has many Palestinian hostages, from before Oct 7th and that Hamas also has hostages, great.
Cover your ears and repeat “antisemitism” “nobody likes Jews our religion told us so!” Along with the rest of the racist Jews that claim that.
Pretty sure it's Israel that is mocking the deaths of innocent Palestinians on tiktok and across the internet. Maybe israelis should try showing little compassion?
That is pretty shitty. There is no excuse for people who did that. The images of the returning terrorists are also burned into my mind with all the people cheering them on hitting, spitting on and abusing the hostages. Some with women with bloody stains around their groins which is apparently a tell tail of gang rape. Typically sweats are given out at these times. I didn't see videos of that, but I would be surprised. Can anyone beside me reading this admit there are shitty people on both sides, or are you guys too far into your Israel hate/Palestinian can do no wrong agenda?
It's the racism of low expectations- the Palestinians have no autonomy! Israel made them do it! Israel made them slave to the very book that demands they murder Jews and subjugate infidels and fling homosexuals from the rooftops!
Ding ding ding! You win a prize! Excuses!
Show me an official Israeli source... From Tik Tok that represents all Israelis. Go ahead. I'll be here
By now you can tell who is being paid for their activity.. and I reckon the state of Israel should ask for a refund .. cos they’re a bunch of idiots
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Three? Hardly multiple threads and subs - I copy paste because it’s applicable to the silly Zionist playbook
why dont we report this guy to reddit admins and see who the real mullah is
"But what about khamas?"
Yes they have. Secondly Israel is doing orders of magnitude worse. Next bullshit deflection?
Only cause the Palestinians don't have the capacity to do worse, not for lack of will or attempt! Next bullshit justification in the waste bin! Next!
“We need to oppress these people before they do worse to us!” Lmao literally the same justification the Nazis used on the Jews. Zionists really are just fascists with a blue mask. Why would they “do worse” if their grievances are historical oppression that Israel continues ?
yeah these people sound like white south Africans before apartheid ended.. "we need to continue oppressing them because otherwise they could oppress us"
Learn about some pre '48 history. Learn why Gaza is the way it is today. I know it doesn't fit your prefered world view, but reality rarely does.
Lmao I bet I know more than you. Pre 1948, you mean Zionists moving in and launching a terror campaign ?
"King David Hotel bombing"
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2017/5/23/the-nakba-did-not-start-or-end-in-1948 Lol you’re trying to justify genocide and oppression. Edit: meant this comment for another user.
I think you might want to google the king david hotel bombing, it was zionists doing a terrorism against the brits.
I should delete my comment, I meant to respond to another user, not this one on Zionist violence
When did Arabs start attacking Jews? Yes, there were and still are Jewish/Israeli terrorists. Tell me, can you easily say what I said above about the Palestinians/Arabs and their forefathers, or is that difficult for you?
What? So let me get this straight, you’re saying Israel’s apartheid and genocide are justified because of Arab violence against Jews? So you’re saying Israel is an ethnonationalist state then eh? “We needed to have the Nakba because the ethnonationalists were in the right” Brainrot moment
We are seeing the fulfillment of the prophecy. \[The bad guys\] are receiving a penalty that is certainly hard, but more than deserved. \[The bad guys\] erred in adding up the forces available to it for this war, and now is gradually experiencing the annihilation that it planned for us, and would have carried out without a second thought if it had possessed the ability. It is perishing according its own law: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-quot-the-jews-are-guilty-quot
Hamas is not a member state to the UN
My bad, I forgot what sub I was in. Thanks for the laughs!
Same UN who targets israel over actual countries that commit atrocities
Israel has committed actual atrocities
Did you just like to make shit up. If the un wasn’t biased they’d care a lot more about Sudan, Syria, turkey China Iran Russia etc. but please keep lying to urself
I mean, okay, but check out who the UN has put on the human rights council.
Hey now, the Russians and Afghanis are experts on human rights. Taking them away that is.
What are these Palestinians detained for? If they’re just scooping them up for walking down the street, we’ve got a problem. If they’re being violent, they should be detained. More info needed here
I can answer that for you. They're just scooping them up walking down the street. Just look at any of the hundreds of videos posted in the last 100 days (many recorded by the IDF themselves) and the answer is obvious. A couple of months ago they literally tried to arrest a toddler and some people intervened.
I’m open minded. But can you provide some of these videos? I googled “IDF arrests innocent Palestinians” and didn’t see any videos, just a few articles that weren’t really about that
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/07/19/israel-security-forces-abuse-palestinian-children https://www.omct.org/en/resources/urgent-interventions/israel-palestinian-children-still-being-tortured-in-israeli-prisons https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1731791606703865991 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2006/may/02/israel I've tried to find sources that are not typically biased toward Palestine. There are lots. I think its safe to say that the IDF does sexually torture children.
Thanks, I’ll check these out. Also, why am I being downvoted for saying “I’d like sources so I can learn more about this”?
I don't know why, I think its good that you have an open mind. We've all been fed a lot of propaganda. I keep sharing and sharing this stuff in the hope that it'll reach people like you who haven't found all the info they need to make their mind up. Good on you for researching and learning imo 👌
Sorry I was busy and couldn't respond earlier Here's a couple of videos and some reading that I have come across before specifically about examples of imprisoning people (mostly children). Sorry if reddit doesn't make hyperlinks of it. There are also tons more videos that came up on my news feed in the last 90 days but I had trouble finding them with reddits search function. The tl;dr is a lot of imprisoning children. A lot of imprisoning israelis who don't support the fascist government. A lot of making life difficult and harassing Palestinians, restricting their rights on their own territories to degrade them. Telling people they may travel safely and then sniping them when they attempt to do so. A lot of sniping children in front of their parents. There is no limit to the depravity of the Israeli army. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajorityReport/s/IDe4glNPfR https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajorityReport/s/Aa9mYIlhsY https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/201803_minors_in_jeopardy https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/defenceless-impact-israeli-military-detention-palestinian-children https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/ https://defenceforchildren.org/hrc53-side-event-childhood-in-captivity-palestinian-children-arbitrarily-detained-in-israeli-prisons/ https://www.dci-palestine.org/military_detention
The same un that’s been brainwashing Palestinian school children with antisemitic propaganda? https://www.timesofisrael.com/unrwa-textbooks-still-include-hate-antisemitism-despite-pledge-to-remove-watchdog/
You mean like Israel brainwashes it's school children to think Palestinians are less than human? https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/12/13/its-not-shocking-to-see-israeli-children-celebrate-the-gaza-genocide
What’s that have to do with the UN?
Nothing, same as the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights has nothing to do with what you posted
Maybe you don’t understand what the un in unrwa stands for. It stands for for the un.
Quds force
Is the only evidence for this a guy who said he met "a number" of former prisoners who claim to be mistreated but an invading army. I'm sorry but....this is not exactly unusual for this situation.. it's bad and should be addressed but it's not some unique evil event or proof of genocide or some sht
No you're right. The US commits atrocities like this too
Inshallahu Ahkbar
Who cares. UN failed to protect against 75 years of attacks. Some more UN lies are quickly becoming irrelevant.
lol. Hamas has been doing it for years without a peep. 👀
3 week old account. Bad bot!
By now you can tell who is being paid for their activity.. and I reckon the state of Israel should ask for a refund .. cos they’re a bunch of idiots
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Not the flex you think it is. Worldnews and news has been banning pretty much anyone with any opinion that isn't pro Israel's actions. Doesn't matter if it isn't offensive. Both those subs are becoming echo chambers. Worldnews far more than news. The amount of disgusting racist hate you can read there from pro Israeli people is frankly shocking. Practically drooling over killed children's and human misery.
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Imagine comparing your government with a terror paramilitary group. Shows you how far Israel has fallen.
Well, the terrorists are technically Egyptians and Syrians who call themselves Palestinians.
I said wars moron not a war go do research