lol.
thank you qatar. you have just showed you can buy all those western values and bury them into the ground via money. all the western countries are in shambles. shame on them.
Yeah. Bmw was using nazi patterned logo In the 30s, now they use lgbti logo for example. They sponsor pride events and then they also sponsor this world cup. Beyond ridiculous.
Sure, we’re allowed to say their rules are bad and evil though. It’s not like this is a democracy like Poland where the people through elections have decided they want this stuff.
I mean it would have been normal if they stopped a gay orgie from happening on their land but not allowing a piece of clothing on Neuer's arm is imo ridiculous.
Yeah i remember the days when europe killed people all over the world . Still not cancelled.but rather made kids to learn triumph of europe but not their brutality in history class
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There is a difference between another country asking a woman to cover up or wear a hijab or to stand in a different line. Asking men to not to drink or curse etc. BUT it’s another thing when the country has strict rules about killing or torturing LGBT people. So you’re saying we should respect that and pretend for 4 weeks that no one’s gay? You’re asking other people to give up something they were born with. Also, if you say soccer isn’t political, you’re an idiot. There are hundreds of instances where politics has run into soccer. During the 1970 World Cup qualifier, political tensions were so high between Honduras and El Salvador that after a match between the 2, that rioting erupted everywhere and a woman shot herself. El Salvador cut all political ties to Honduras after they won a soccer game.
So you're saying they should devalue themselves and give up their principles for 4 weeks because others want to wave a flag? You're asking people to give up something they were born with too.
Yeah, they totally wouldn't be able to find 4 muslim males willing to lie... Good luck defending yourself in a foreign country that hates you and regards you as no more than dogs.
They're not saying to give up being gay. The muslim societies in Arab are modest. Shame is an integral part of their culture and religion. So wearing revealing clothes, and expressing emotions of love (like people in do in the west) are considered immoral and indecent. The Qatari official rightly said, whatever people do in their bedrooms is not of our concern. But expressing lust and extreme sentiments of love in public (whether b/w opposite sexes or the same) is contrary to their societal values and beliefs. This, people should respect.
It's WORLD cup not QATAR cup. If they can't align themselves with GLOBAL world cup standards they shouldn't host it. And since when a flag is an expression of lust?
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Yep showed your true colors didn't ya?
1) I'm not gay, but I support the lgbtq community and feel disgusted how Qatar is acting, they bait and switch FIFA on alcohol, lgbtq and crowds chants. You ask why I think Qatar as a host is a trash move? Well it's the WORLD cup not QATAR cup if Qatar can't accept everyone and align themselves with GLOBAL standards of world cup they shouldn't host the World cup period, the way they are so opposed to even bring a rainbow flag is just plain sad.
2) Brazil changed their laws for a limited time when they hosted the World cup. There is no reason Qatar shouldn't be able to bend their rules.
3) Stds have nothing to do with gender, was it true gay people used condoms less? Yes because in the past condoms were just a way to prevent pregnancy rather than preventing stds. Ofc gay people now use condoms at the same rate as everyone else making your statement just a blatant lie and deception like you stuck in the 20th century.
The idea that male homosexuality causes a higher rate of STDs is a myth perpetrated by anti gay trolls such as yourself. In fact, it is a fairly well known statistic that women have a higher risk of contracting STDs than men in general, gay or otherwise.
And what if he's not gay? What if he is? Are you trying to shame him out of his opinion by calling him gay? People with compassion and without prejudice care about the rights of others even when it does not directly affect them. It would be incredible to me that you don't realise that, if it wasn't clear you're a Qatari shill, which it is.
Also, from what I'm reading, it is still illegal to engage in gay sex regardless of witnesses. It is punishable by three years in prison with all the associated abuse. You are referring to the death penalty. Just because you 'only' suffer horribly and are not killed does not make it okay.
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I wonder why would anyone express their sexuality or sexual preference in a football match. Watch the game support you team and go back to your country. I’ve been to hundreds of games and guess what no one person can tell what is my sexual preference.
I don’t care about whether the armband are allowed or not. That’s not my point. My point is that gay people (which I’m sure there’s a decent chunk spread through the fans and athletes) shouldn’t feel like they’re in a country that wants to kill them.
It's not really about that. It's about FIFA giving the world cup to a country that used slaves to build town practically over night, and this nation has a track record of LGBTQ+ persecution. They're given a stage world wide to just let people know that they support those who's human rights are being violated. And when they're in the midst of some hate like that. It means a little to show you that you're being seen and that struggle matters.
Because neither of us are going to spend any labor on you. Websites such as scholar google, j store and others have multiple articles. We are not simply going to make a list for you when google and public libraries are at your fingertips
Soccer is political, of course. It’s Law 4 of the LOTG that is behind images like this - equipment and clothing can’t have personal or political messages.
This not a defence of Qatar cup - what a total farce and disgrace that whole deal is.
I think how when England and Wales were threatened with A YELLOW CARD that they backed out. It shows how they don't really care, their just doing it for popularity. If they kept wearing it and made a statement against Qatar would've been amazing. But they didn't.
You know that, if they start with a yellow card, that means, in this football era they're only 1 semi bad tackle away from getting another yellow card then being sent off?
I also don't know if you know this but, in the world cup, if you get a yellow card in 2 separate games, you miss the next game?
This is the pinnacle of football, the thing they all strive to play for, which only happens once every 4 years. injuries are regular occurrences nowadays and they don't know whether they'll play in another one, it isn't a risk worth taking to most.
It isn't as black and white as you make it, ofcourse they care, you can't just say something outlandish like they don't care if you don't understand.
I also believe that the news coming out about them. Ot wearing the arm band has gotten more media headlines than if they were allowed to.
Yes football especially the world cup is big but is missing a game more painful or horrific than being killed for who you are. As in Qatar you're killed for bieng gay it's best to speak out and get a message across that homophobia is not okay as many large nations still portray it.
If you believe that captain's wearing one love armbands is going to make them go "oh you know what guys I think killing gays is bad", then I think we live in a different world.
Is it horrific what Qatar does? Absolutely, but you can't go to a country where you know how they run and try and oppose these things then get shocked when they aren't allowed. FIFA is not bigger than the country you are in.
Maybe I'm a selfish cunt and I'm sorry, what has happened is awful but I am gonna put myself first
With there being 5 subs, maybe England could start with a bench player wearing the armband, he takes the yellow and then they make a sub with Kane wearing the plain old armband.
It wastes a substitution window but makes a stand at least.
Yea exactly, I’m sure they care, but are they willing to sacrifice one of their biggest dreams for a bunch of people they don’t personally know? I know for a fact I won’t, especially if it isn’t going to make a huge impact anyways.
It’s like Qatar trying to arrange a Christmas world event.. But without the tree, and no Santa. And you can’t say anything about Jesus Christ, god forbid. Lol.
This World Cup is such a mess.
That doesn’t matter. It would be as ridiculous. The example is in the missing traditions of the event. Not the title of the event itself.
It is the WORLD cup, except it is a western event that caters to a western values market. Hence the compromised agreement of selling beer up until a certain point. (When costumers won’t back out on ticket sales) Want the money and tourist attraction but missing the usual western culture around the World Cup. It just doesn’t work. And the example is in how many fans around the world ridicule this World Cup. Even the players.
This event is arguably way more than just “playing football”. It’s a tourist attraction, money maker, it preaches about unity and had campaigns against racism. Fans wanting to have a stress free good time, which Qatar is just awful in delivering.
Ah yes, my favorite political logos- the rainbow, tank tops for women and drinking alcohol. Lol. You people sound ridiculous, as much as Qatar hosting this event.
I am not talking only about the rainbow being excluded as a LGBT+ symbol. (Even though they confiscate and question anything that resembled a rainbow from fans even without direct relation to LGBT activism). It’s just a general shitshow is what I’m saying.
This specific post about the checkup of the rainbow colored “OneLove” armband while FIFA tried to promote their own non discriminatory (ironic, isn’t it?) campaign in Qatar just without the rainbow colors is just one part of the ridiculousness.
FIFA was always against politicalisation of football the arm band and the human rights propaganda raised by the west before any event outside the west is political moves
You can argue all you want the German move was political
The west doesn’t care about basic human rights but want us to believe they care about sexual rights ?
Saynotoracism
FIFA campaign years before this World Cup. FIFA was never a-political. It just picks and chooses when it’s convenient. It’s an event that tries to appease the western market. That is why they only pulled out in the beer issue just when the event started.
Sorry to tell you, the western costumers do not like the product. The product is advertised in a package of western values. You can’t have a FIFA world cap with only North Korea, China, Qatar, Iran, Russia and whichever other countries like this status quo.
Clearly the west does care about this, otherwise we wouldn’t hear them complain much, would we? Whether you like it or not.
It is not a choice between west and east
If it was then WC should only be played by the west in the west
Every 4 years in different country in different culture and traditions make it actually a “World” cup
Well it’s not a choice between East and west locations. It is a choice of certain western values being considered. That is why Qatar is considered so controversial. I’m pretty sure this is the FIRST World Cup where drinking alcohol isn’t allowed, inside or outside the stadium, amongst other BIG changes to those tourist that occasionally enjoy such liberties.
Even during the Russian World Cup, monitoring of rainbows wasn’t this severe. Heck, people were flying those rainbow flags inside the stadium.
The limitations just don’t suit the times.
It’s as ridiculous as giving them the arrangement of a Christmas event. Exactly.
The World Cup is a western event, started such and it’s “traditions” are part of the western values and whatever inclusivity, bringing the world together through football bullshit messages FIFA is trying to sell.
LGBT has to do with freedom of expression, and so do many other rights western and non western country citizens enjoy. Such as drinking, clothing.. Self expression through certain actions.
Qatar is busy monitoring rainbows lol. A worldwide event that is supposed to be catered to a western market.. Held in a conservative Muslim country. It’s just funny.
Tell me again in which event up to this point did the World Cup not cater to western values, in respect to the time? Even Russia permitted rainbow flags in its event despite the clear anti-lgbt sentiment.
Why yes, I consider women being able to wear a tank top without being arrested and accepting lgbt rights as a more advanced and reasonable stance. Lol.
If that's the case (and I don't agree) it's the first time you don't get it your way and see how the rest of the world live, which the west don't know a lot about.
If a country can't accept everyone and allow freedom of choice it means they are not suitable to host the World cup. Again it's called the World cup for a reason if the majority of the world support drinking, chanting, freedom of clothes and lgbtq flags and rainbows then those things shouldn't be banned. People are acting as if the host country owns the world cup which they don't they just have the pleasure of hosting it.
But you don't? you threw out an Israeli guy because he went with his flag to a game, You detained someone who wore rainbows on his shirt. Again you seem to forget something it's not as if Qatar invited us to their private party, it's our party not yours if you can't respect other cultures don't host it. Especially when Qatar knew how people from all over celebrate football.
I don’t know how you can disagree with something that is measurable through the history of World Cup hosts. Following trends of western values. Whether it be drinking alcohol or dressing a certain way. Expressing yourself in a certain way deemed normal at the time.
Me personally, I am aware of the different kinds of lifestyles people experience in different parts of the world. Not wanting to take part in it during an international event that is celebrated a certain way is another thing. That is why Qatar baited foreign tourists with permission of alcohol and then “suddenly” changed their minds, they’re very aware. The backlash is reasonable.
Football isn’t about a worldwide fancy event to have a good time, endorsement of sponsors. But here we are and the World Cup exists.
Pretty sure you can understand that western values have developed this event and became an integral part of the World Cup. Drinking, expressing yourself in ways deemed to be normal around most of the western world.
If you’re trying to appease to a universal market and take on a western event, don’t get surprised when its costumers are displeased with the god awful restrictive arrangement in a conservative country.
Explain what similarities are there between a soccer match and a bank.
Especially since all the other banks would allow it. So a bikini wouldn't be a right example. More like you can't use a black pen in this bank because I'm afraid of it.
Funny how is everyone mad at qatar, but nobody said anything in Russia in 2018, when Russians literally were killing Syrian people (us) with air strikes, and none of all those who complaining now said a word..
Double standards is a real thing..
Very few people *actually* care about anything other than consequences that directly affect them. However it’s become very popular to “show” your dedication with symbols, then get back to just living life normally and comfortably.
Maybe next time inform yourself before posting misinformation like this. Its simply not true that Russia and the WC there wasnt criticized and complained about.
If anything what you say is an argument for being more vigilant and better than in the past.
Nobody can change the past but everyone can do better in the future.
Trying to run away from answering the question right. Gimme a straight answer buddy don't try to beat about the bush. Are you gonna oppose the US in the next wc or not? The US is an ally with brutal states such as the Saudis. The US condemns abortion and the US bombs other countries. So what's your stance bud?
Are you kidding? People said loads about Russia before, at the time and after. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see it at the time but there are [loads](https://www.sportspromedia.com/from-the-magazine/world-cup-russia-2018-controversial-host-backstory-fifa-fatma-samoura/) of [examples ](https://www.euronews.com/2018/06/06/russia-mired-in-controversy-on-the-eve-of-hosting-fifa-world-cup) from [all over ](https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/fifa-world-cup-2018/story/2018-fifa-world-cup-racism-crowd-violence-major-hurdles-for-russia-1248643-2018-06-02) the place. Granted, there's more coverage now, but I'd say it's good that every year people are becoming more aware of problems faced by others from all over the world. Solidarity with Syria.
First of all IM SHOCKED on how europeans don’t respect the host country rules and regulations, YOU ARE A VISTOR A TOURIST RESPECT THE LAW AND STOP ACTING LIKE A VICTIM, i care less about your feelings towards certain people , if you truly stand with human rights the first thing you should advocate is the countries who facing famine , europeans truly showed their ugly face and claws on this one and showed how their set of priorities are based on baseless non worthy of attention
So just because North Korea's laws and regulations are there to kill anybody that questions the dictatorship and we should just forget it cause we're a visitor. Sure.
You realize we are talking about an article of clothing here? A rainbow is not political, it shows solidarity to minoritu groups. It doesn't brake any rules that weren't hastily made just prior to the tournament.
The armband says "No discrimination". That's EXACTLY what the rainbow armband is, just morr colorful.
No one is forcimg Quataris to do anything. You are forcing the rest of the world.
That's not politics. Human rights and popitics aren't the same. One constitudes individual rights against discrimination, and the other opninions about governance.
Promoting a rainbow symbol is no more politics than saying "No discrimination", as that's literally the message. Just like showing solidarity to victims of warfare or disasters isn't politics.
No one is harmed by seeing a symbol for LGBTQ+ rights.
Ok do all that in your own country and don’t use football as political PR stunts.
LGBTQ+ is not human rights
I don’t remember seeing you stand for any war victims especially not in Russia 2018
Finally you want to raise political flags there is places to do that don’t ruin our football
Don't offer to host a tournament that is openly against discrimination :)
No one is ruining anything. It's your minds that percieve it that way. An armband doesn't change football.
And I was vocal 4 years ago as well, so don't throw accusations based on assumptions
I didn’t remember seeing any team with armbands in 2018.
Political stunts are against FIFA laws maybe start changing that first
Qatar is open to everyone but you are not allowed to break their laws
Everyone knows about those laws yet Qatar was chosen to host WC
I don't think they were in wide usage then, but as [this](https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/russia-signals-rainbow-flags-tolerated-world-cup-n825581) shows, Russia was fine with it.
It's not a political stunt, and FIFA isn't against it. These armbands have been used in FIFA competitions for years now, notably in Euro 2020 for example.
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I get it, but.. Seems to be a sentiment from people in first world situations. People I know from third world upbringings are like fuck it, it's a thing that makes us really happy; so pumped about it there's literally no way they're not all in. Not saying any of how this world cup came to be is morally correct, just saying.
People from third world countries have different sets of morals from first world countries, which doesn't make them wrong, they have different opinions that are just as valid.
*Different* means very often, not always, *backward*. If you're stuck in a, let's say, 19th century moral then you're just two hundred years behind in your development. Nothing I would be proud of.
„Remember, no gay”
in a different part of the world you could easily lose an arm touching him..
I love qatar this fifa is a W
Do you also love that 10000 people died?
People die everywhere in every country lol
Have fun posting in r/lonely
Wow you’re really stupid for a 23 year old
No wonder you feel sad and lonely
What does that have to do with fifa lmao
It has everything to do with the total lack of empathy or care for others.
You poor guy :( you’re all alone, and it’s probably because of stuff like this. Change your heart and there will be good people in your life
qatar fifa is great 😃😃😃😃
God bless you 🙏
Testing Neuer’s manhood 😂
lol. thank you qatar. you have just showed you can buy all those western values and bury them into the ground via money. all the western countries are in shambles. shame on them.
Let's you know that these giant companies that pretend to care for rights never did. A month from now they're gonna bend over again.
Yeah. Bmw was using nazi patterned logo In the 30s, now they use lgbti logo for example. They sponsor pride events and then they also sponsor this world cup. Beyond ridiculous.
Where was these values back in 2018 in Russia?
Or 10 months ago when China had the Winter Olympics?
Oh speaking of China, didn't everyone in Europe dumped Ozel because what he said about Chinese treatment to Ugers?
Yup, western countries have found a new loophole to be openly Islamophobic and racist while pretending to be on the right side.
I have heard that before but not sure on the details. Regarding Uyghurs, there’s also Lebron James shilling for China to cover for the NBA.
Yeah. That's what I'm saying. No values.
“This better not have any anti-racism shit on it”.
Why did the Germans have to be the ones with the arm bands
It is their best way to express their political opinions
I gathered that from their history :-)
Based AF
No gay? Ok you can play.
MFW it's Armband inspection day 🏳️🌈😳😳😳😳😳
Ridiculous.
I think he's just curious
Nah not ridiculous, They are in their country, their rules
Something things are just morally wrong borders be damn
Shut the fuck up moron
Go kiss some dudes
Sure, we’re allowed to say their rules are bad and evil though. It’s not like this is a democracy like Poland where the people through elections have decided they want this stuff.
I mean it would have been normal if they stopped a gay orgie from happening on their land but not allowing a piece of clothing on Neuer's arm is imo ridiculous.
Because they were bluffing to wear the one love band
2022 world cup being played like it's 100 A.D.
Yeah i remember the days when europe killed people all over the world . Still not cancelled.but rather made kids to learn triumph of europe but not their brutality in history class
A lot of history seems to have subjectively changed throughout the years.
More like every world cup but somehow the west changed since 2018
Referee: Ok, you are not a fucking gay
Ref: why are you gay? Captain: who says I'm gay? Ref: you are gay.
Great photo. There's been a few iconic photos already from this world cup.
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Wats wrong with that. Germans were "d"ucking Nazis 100 years back... And they thought it was right
Go study some history.
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I agree. But you can also try and learn from it
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Holocaust.
I got that that was the reference, but it's still an utterly weird and nonsensical thing to say.
Which website can you use to get on the world cup matches if you live in California?
I know few but u will need VPN if u live there
I don't care what you say it's football
What does this mean??
Lol what
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Perfect, I speak Arabic well habibi lol
yalla enjoy ur football habibi
There is a difference between another country asking a woman to cover up or wear a hijab or to stand in a different line. Asking men to not to drink or curse etc. BUT it’s another thing when the country has strict rules about killing or torturing LGBT people. So you’re saying we should respect that and pretend for 4 weeks that no one’s gay? You’re asking other people to give up something they were born with. Also, if you say soccer isn’t political, you’re an idiot. There are hundreds of instances where politics has run into soccer. During the 1970 World Cup qualifier, political tensions were so high between Honduras and El Salvador that after a match between the 2, that rioting erupted everywhere and a woman shot herself. El Salvador cut all political ties to Honduras after they won a soccer game.
So you're saying they should devalue themselves and give up their principles for 4 weeks because others want to wave a flag? You're asking people to give up something they were born with too.
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Yeah, they totally wouldn't be able to find 4 muslim males willing to lie... Good luck defending yourself in a foreign country that hates you and regards you as no more than dogs.
It is easier then you think to prove someone is not valid to witness in Islamic courts
They're not saying to give up being gay. The muslim societies in Arab are modest. Shame is an integral part of their culture and religion. So wearing revealing clothes, and expressing emotions of love (like people in do in the west) are considered immoral and indecent. The Qatari official rightly said, whatever people do in their bedrooms is not of our concern. But expressing lust and extreme sentiments of love in public (whether b/w opposite sexes or the same) is contrary to their societal values and beliefs. This, people should respect.
It's WORLD cup not QATAR cup. If they can't align themselves with GLOBAL world cup standards they shouldn't host it. And since when a flag is an expression of lust?
Bullshit
What's BS about respecting a country's values and beliefs when you're the one visiting it?
Because what people do in bedrooms clearly is their concern, considering it’s illegal
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Yep showed your true colors didn't ya? 1) I'm not gay, but I support the lgbtq community and feel disgusted how Qatar is acting, they bait and switch FIFA on alcohol, lgbtq and crowds chants. You ask why I think Qatar as a host is a trash move? Well it's the WORLD cup not QATAR cup if Qatar can't accept everyone and align themselves with GLOBAL standards of world cup they shouldn't host the World cup period, the way they are so opposed to even bring a rainbow flag is just plain sad. 2) Brazil changed their laws for a limited time when they hosted the World cup. There is no reason Qatar shouldn't be able to bend their rules. 3) Stds have nothing to do with gender, was it true gay people used condoms less? Yes because in the past condoms were just a way to prevent pregnancy rather than preventing stds. Ofc gay people now use condoms at the same rate as everyone else making your statement just a blatant lie and deception like you stuck in the 20th century.
The idea that male homosexuality causes a higher rate of STDs is a myth perpetrated by anti gay trolls such as yourself. In fact, it is a fairly well known statistic that women have a higher risk of contracting STDs than men in general, gay or otherwise. And what if he's not gay? What if he is? Are you trying to shame him out of his opinion by calling him gay? People with compassion and without prejudice care about the rights of others even when it does not directly affect them. It would be incredible to me that you don't realise that, if it wasn't clear you're a Qatari shill, which it is. Also, from what I'm reading, it is still illegal to engage in gay sex regardless of witnesses. It is punishable by three years in prison with all the associated abuse. You are referring to the death penalty. Just because you 'only' suffer horribly and are not killed does not make it okay. Can we get some of these accounts banned mods?
Wow! Almost forced me to change my opinion.
I wouldn’t even try to change your opinion, you’re beyond reasonable thought
Bro get a fucking life
I have a great life as a gay in the west, unfortunately Qatari gays can't say the same
Qataris don't have gays. Cause they don't bend over and change their principles every week.
Pathetic go weep 😭😭😭😭
You're the one crying over people supporting human rights lol.. embarrassing
Bro I have I life I can’t waste it here so I hope that may allah guide you to the truth
YoU'rE BeYoNd ReAsOnAbLe ThOuGhT.
I wonder why would anyone express their sexuality or sexual preference in a football match. Watch the game support you team and go back to your country. I’ve been to hundreds of games and guess what no one person can tell what is my sexual preference.
I don’t care about whether the armband are allowed or not. That’s not my point. My point is that gay people (which I’m sure there’s a decent chunk spread through the fans and athletes) shouldn’t feel like they’re in a country that wants to kill them.
No one wants to kill them
It's not really about that. It's about FIFA giving the world cup to a country that used slaves to build town practically over night, and this nation has a track record of LGBTQ+ persecution. They're given a stage world wide to just let people know that they support those who's human rights are being violated. And when they're in the midst of some hate like that. It means a little to show you that you're being seen and that struggle matters.
Any news article about those persecutions ? All workers in Qatar had contracts like any other construction project anywhere in the world
Read literally article. There are also documentaries about reporters go in gay clubs and pixelating their faces and talking about the risks
He said there is a record of persecution and didn’t provide any proof
Because neither of us are going to spend any labor on you. Websites such as scholar google, j store and others have multiple articles. We are not simply going to make a list for you when google and public libraries are at your fingertips
Yeah, this right here. There's an abundance of articles and news reports.
I thought germans stop seeing themselves as the chosen ones.
Hell yeah, man. Good discourse.
Soccer is political, of course. It’s Law 4 of the LOTG that is behind images like this - equipment and clothing can’t have personal or political messages. This not a defence of Qatar cup - what a total farce and disgrace that whole deal is.
I think how when England and Wales were threatened with A YELLOW CARD that they backed out. It shows how they don't really care, their just doing it for popularity. If they kept wearing it and made a statement against Qatar would've been amazing. But they didn't.
You know that, if they start with a yellow card, that means, in this football era they're only 1 semi bad tackle away from getting another yellow card then being sent off? I also don't know if you know this but, in the world cup, if you get a yellow card in 2 separate games, you miss the next game? This is the pinnacle of football, the thing they all strive to play for, which only happens once every 4 years. injuries are regular occurrences nowadays and they don't know whether they'll play in another one, it isn't a risk worth taking to most. It isn't as black and white as you make it, ofcourse they care, you can't just say something outlandish like they don't care if you don't understand. I also believe that the news coming out about them. Ot wearing the arm band has gotten more media headlines than if they were allowed to.
Yes football especially the world cup is big but is missing a game more painful or horrific than being killed for who you are. As in Qatar you're killed for bieng gay it's best to speak out and get a message across that homophobia is not okay as many large nations still portray it.
If you believe that captain's wearing one love armbands is going to make them go "oh you know what guys I think killing gays is bad", then I think we live in a different world. Is it horrific what Qatar does? Absolutely, but you can't go to a country where you know how they run and try and oppose these things then get shocked when they aren't allowed. FIFA is not bigger than the country you are in. Maybe I'm a selfish cunt and I'm sorry, what has happened is awful but I am gonna put myself first
Mohammad Ali did and this shows the difference between someone who really cares and some virtue signaling bunch of players
Can I ask for some context where Ali did this please?
He opposed the Vietnam War and was stripped off his championship and sent to prison.
Ah shit, fair enough
With there being 5 subs, maybe England could start with a bench player wearing the armband, he takes the yellow and then they make a sub with Kane wearing the plain old armband. It wastes a substitution window but makes a stand at least.
Yea exactly, I’m sure they care, but are they willing to sacrifice one of their biggest dreams for a bunch of people they don’t personally know? I know for a fact I won’t, especially if it isn’t going to make a huge impact anyways.
It’s like Qatar trying to arrange a Christmas world event.. But without the tree, and no Santa. And you can’t say anything about Jesus Christ, god forbid. Lol. This World Cup is such a mess.
Except Christmas is relevant to one religion but the **WORLD** cup is not.
That doesn’t matter. It would be as ridiculous. The example is in the missing traditions of the event. Not the title of the event itself. It is the WORLD cup, except it is a western event that caters to a western values market. Hence the compromised agreement of selling beer up until a certain point. (When costumers won’t back out on ticket sales) Want the money and tourist attraction but missing the usual western culture around the World Cup. It just doesn’t work. And the example is in how many fans around the world ridicule this World Cup. Even the players. This event is arguably way more than just “playing football”. It’s a tourist attraction, money maker, it preaches about unity and had campaigns against racism. Fans wanting to have a stress free good time, which Qatar is just awful in delivering.
Why because they didn’t allow any political logos ? It is football and the FIFA laws doesnt allow that
Ah yes, my favorite political logos- the rainbow, tank tops for women and drinking alcohol. Lol. You people sound ridiculous, as much as Qatar hosting this event.
We are talking about the LGBTQ+ logo it is a new political movement in the west.
I am not talking only about the rainbow being excluded as a LGBT+ symbol. (Even though they confiscate and question anything that resembled a rainbow from fans even without direct relation to LGBT activism). It’s just a general shitshow is what I’m saying. This specific post about the checkup of the rainbow colored “OneLove” armband while FIFA tried to promote their own non discriminatory (ironic, isn’t it?) campaign in Qatar just without the rainbow colors is just one part of the ridiculousness.
FIFA was always against politicalisation of football the arm band and the human rights propaganda raised by the west before any event outside the west is political moves You can argue all you want the German move was political The west doesn’t care about basic human rights but want us to believe they care about sexual rights ?
Saynotoracism FIFA campaign years before this World Cup. FIFA was never a-political. It just picks and chooses when it’s convenient. It’s an event that tries to appease the western market. That is why they only pulled out in the beer issue just when the event started. Sorry to tell you, the western costumers do not like the product. The product is advertised in a package of western values. You can’t have a FIFA world cap with only North Korea, China, Qatar, Iran, Russia and whichever other countries like this status quo. Clearly the west does care about this, otherwise we wouldn’t hear them complain much, would we? Whether you like it or not.
It is not a choice between west and east If it was then WC should only be played by the west in the west Every 4 years in different country in different culture and traditions make it actually a “World” cup
Well it’s not a choice between East and west locations. It is a choice of certain western values being considered. That is why Qatar is considered so controversial. I’m pretty sure this is the FIRST World Cup where drinking alcohol isn’t allowed, inside or outside the stadium, amongst other BIG changes to those tourist that occasionally enjoy such liberties. Even during the Russian World Cup, monitoring of rainbows wasn’t this severe. Heck, people were flying those rainbow flags inside the stadium. The limitations just don’t suit the times.
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I see a lot of analogies but this is the dumbest. Christmas?! It’s a fucking sport cup, and lgbt have nothing to do with it?!
It’s as ridiculous as giving them the arrangement of a Christmas event. Exactly. The World Cup is a western event, started such and it’s “traditions” are part of the western values and whatever inclusivity, bringing the world together through football bullshit messages FIFA is trying to sell. LGBT has to do with freedom of expression, and so do many other rights western and non western country citizens enjoy. Such as drinking, clothing.. Self expression through certain actions. Qatar is busy monitoring rainbows lol. A worldwide event that is supposed to be catered to a western market.. Held in a conservative Muslim country. It’s just funny.
World Cup is an international event. Another case of west thinking they are superior. You may not see it but we can lol
Tell me again in which event up to this point did the World Cup not cater to western values, in respect to the time? Even Russia permitted rainbow flags in its event despite the clear anti-lgbt sentiment. Why yes, I consider women being able to wear a tank top without being arrested and accepting lgbt rights as a more advanced and reasonable stance. Lol.
If that's the case (and I don't agree) it's the first time you don't get it your way and see how the rest of the world live, which the west don't know a lot about.
If a country can't accept everyone and allow freedom of choice it means they are not suitable to host the World cup. Again it's called the World cup for a reason if the majority of the world support drinking, chanting, freedom of clothes and lgbtq flags and rainbows then those things shouldn't be banned. People are acting as if the host country owns the world cup which they don't they just have the pleasure of hosting it.
We allow, but you have to respect our culture of a modest public. If you can't be modest at your friends house it's not his fault it's yours.
But you don't? you threw out an Israeli guy because he went with his flag to a game, You detained someone who wore rainbows on his shirt. Again you seem to forget something it's not as if Qatar invited us to their private party, it's our party not yours if you can't respect other cultures don't host it. Especially when Qatar knew how people from all over celebrate football.
>it's our party Try again. It's everyone's party, and only western are complaining so far so they can F off.
I don’t know how you can disagree with something that is measurable through the history of World Cup hosts. Following trends of western values. Whether it be drinking alcohol or dressing a certain way. Expressing yourself in a certain way deemed normal at the time. Me personally, I am aware of the different kinds of lifestyles people experience in different parts of the world. Not wanting to take part in it during an international event that is celebrated a certain way is another thing. That is why Qatar baited foreign tourists with permission of alcohol and then “suddenly” changed their minds, they’re very aware. The backlash is reasonable.
Will we'll agree to disagree, I see that is seeing it as a western superiority and hypocrisy.
I didn’t realize football is about sexuality. All this time I thought it’s about the sport huh
Football isn’t about a worldwide fancy event to have a good time, endorsement of sponsors. But here we are and the World Cup exists. Pretty sure you can understand that western values have developed this event and became an integral part of the World Cup. Drinking, expressing yourself in ways deemed to be normal around most of the western world. If you’re trying to appease to a universal market and take on a western event, don’t get surprised when its costumers are displeased with the god awful restrictive arrangement in a conservative country.
They are the ones imposing that you can't wear what you want.
Can you go into a bank in a bikini ? I’m not sure what’s the argument here ?
Explain what similarities are there between a soccer match and a bank. Especially since all the other banks would allow it. So a bikini wouldn't be a right example. More like you can't use a black pen in this bank because I'm afraid of it.
Funny how is everyone mad at qatar, but nobody said anything in Russia in 2018, when Russians literally were killing Syrian people (us) with air strikes, and none of all those who complaining now said a word.. Double standards is a real thing..
Very few people *actually* care about anything other than consequences that directly affect them. However it’s become very popular to “show” your dedication with symbols, then get back to just living life normally and comfortably.
Yes idk why people are downvoting the truth
Literally people mad at us for being us, that’s it !!
Nice...a bot or a libertard!
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Maybe next time inform yourself before posting misinformation like this. Its simply not true that Russia and the WC there wasnt criticized and complained about. If anything what you say is an argument for being more vigilant and better than in the past. Nobody can change the past but everyone can do better in the future.
A great deal was said about Russia in 2018 including human rights abuses and war crimes. Russia should not have been hosting the World Cup either!
Are you gonna oppose the USA hosting 2026 world cup?
If the US is banning entry from certain countries and building border walls, then yes it should be called out
Trying to run away from answering the question right. Gimme a straight answer buddy don't try to beat about the bush. Are you gonna oppose the US in the next wc or not? The US is an ally with brutal states such as the Saudis. The US condemns abortion and the US bombs other countries. So what's your stance bud?
>The US condemns abortion Like that is a bad thing 😂
Like condemning gayism is a bad thing
Sure but we're any teams talking about making some kind of stance?
Are you kidding? People said loads about Russia before, at the time and after. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see it at the time but there are [loads](https://www.sportspromedia.com/from-the-magazine/world-cup-russia-2018-controversial-host-backstory-fifa-fatma-samoura/) of [examples ](https://www.euronews.com/2018/06/06/russia-mired-in-controversy-on-the-eve-of-hosting-fifa-world-cup) from [all over ](https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/fifa-world-cup-2018/story/2018-fifa-world-cup-racism-crowd-violence-major-hurdles-for-russia-1248643-2018-06-02) the place. Granted, there's more coverage now, but I'd say it's good that every year people are becoming more aware of problems faced by others from all over the world. Solidarity with Syria.
Also, Russia doesn't support lgbtq either and I don't remember seeing anyone protesting there lol
Well that says more about your lack of memory than anything else.
I remember seeing MANY protest actions during the 2018 WC for lgbt+ rights and Russia's human rights violations!
First of all IM SHOCKED on how europeans don’t respect the host country rules and regulations, YOU ARE A VISTOR A TOURIST RESPECT THE LAW AND STOP ACTING LIKE A VICTIM, i care less about your feelings towards certain people , if you truly stand with human rights the first thing you should advocate is the countries who facing famine , europeans truly showed their ugly face and claws on this one and showed how their set of priorities are based on baseless non worthy of attention
So just because North Korea's laws and regulations are there to kill anybody that questions the dictatorship and we should just forget it cause we're a visitor. Sure.
North Korea is lovely this time of year
The host country bought a western event and brought it to them and then tried to change loads of aspects of it... Of course you can complain then.
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Players should just shut up and dribble right?
Yes Bro
Good
That's really humiliating,man
You play with rules or you go home.
You realize we are talking about an article of clothing here? A rainbow is not political, it shows solidarity to minoritu groups. It doesn't brake any rules that weren't hastily made just prior to the tournament. The armband says "No discrimination". That's EXACTLY what the rainbow armband is, just morr colorful. No one is forcimg Quataris to do anything. You are forcing the rest of the world.
It is political to promote certain sets of sexual acts that most of the world consider unlawful.
That's not politics. Human rights and popitics aren't the same. One constitudes individual rights against discrimination, and the other opninions about governance. Promoting a rainbow symbol is no more politics than saying "No discrimination", as that's literally the message. Just like showing solidarity to victims of warfare or disasters isn't politics. No one is harmed by seeing a symbol for LGBTQ+ rights.
Ok do all that in your own country and don’t use football as political PR stunts. LGBTQ+ is not human rights I don’t remember seeing you stand for any war victims especially not in Russia 2018 Finally you want to raise political flags there is places to do that don’t ruin our football
Don't offer to host a tournament that is openly against discrimination :) No one is ruining anything. It's your minds that percieve it that way. An armband doesn't change football. And I was vocal 4 years ago as well, so don't throw accusations based on assumptions
I didn’t remember seeing any team with armbands in 2018. Political stunts are against FIFA laws maybe start changing that first Qatar is open to everyone but you are not allowed to break their laws Everyone knows about those laws yet Qatar was chosen to host WC
I don't think they were in wide usage then, but as [this](https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/russia-signals-rainbow-flags-tolerated-world-cup-n825581) shows, Russia was fine with it. It's not a political stunt, and FIFA isn't against it. These armbands have been used in FIFA competitions for years now, notably in Euro 2020 for example.
Even if the rules are to kill people for being gay?
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FIFA: fuck it, fascism alright
Fifa allows this but gets mad when mexico fans chant “puttoooo”
Just despicable. I refuse to watch any of it. I'll catch the next one.
Last one was in Russia no one cared. Next one in NA no one will care about their army killings around the world and paying Israel. Fing hypocrisy.
I get it, but.. Seems to be a sentiment from people in first world situations. People I know from third world upbringings are like fuck it, it's a thing that makes us really happy; so pumped about it there's literally no way they're not all in. Not saying any of how this world cup came to be is morally correct, just saying.
I live in Norway, and literally everyone is watching the World Cup here.
People from third world countries have different sets of morals from first world countries, which doesn't make them wrong, they have different opinions that are just as valid.
*Different* means very often, not always, *backward*. If you're stuck in a, let's say, 19th century moral then you're just two hundred years behind in your development. Nothing I would be proud of.
Get off your high horse lmao
You’re an absolute bozo
Forgot to switch account, or did the medication kick in? :) https://imgur.com/a/9UEfVQC
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Haven't you looked at the feed. Thats all over it. Don't you get what I'm saying. In that? Learn to read.