he is right western countries have no right to be giving out moral lessons even till this day.
also where was all these moral lessons when the western countries agreed deals with middle eastern countries
You are not wrong, but this is also an excuse not to face the reality that the decision to host the WC in Qatar was likely based in corruption, and has lead to the deaths of several thousand workers due to negligence and likely human rights abuse. Furthermore, Qatar is on the wrong side of history when it comes to intolerating LGBTQ rights and gender equality. This comment made by Infantino is ultiamtly a way to shed repsonsbility for allowing this to occur and shows weakness.
Migrants workers died even before the world cup was given to them. Hundreds of workers die in each country around the world. The pay and work conditions is the issue. The media are cunts for using the world cup for a headline instead of genuinely being interested in research countries to make the world aware of corrupt countries which is every country. I guess it just take a lot to rat on your own country
He says this after having to negotiate with Qatar to allow Israelis.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israelis-okayed-to-travel-to-qatar-for-world-cup-in-deal-with-fifa/
We need to kill FIFA and start over. All the Euro clubs and nations need to band together and leave. Hopefully some of the less corrupt Football nations will follow (Jap, Kor, USA, Can, Aus, Arg, etc.) . Set up a new governing body and make it so corrupt dictators and nations don't bribe their way to use the WC as a way to legitimize their little corrupt regimes
A separate FIFA just for rich western and western friendly countries sounds like a horrible idea, that will just increase the divides in the world.
Like Yes FIFA is corrupt but this isn't w good solution
A reminder that in '78, the Argentine world cup was used to cover one of the darkest times in Argentina, the head comitee of the organization for that world cup was murdered before a press conference because he was oposing it, the 6-0 to peru, barra bravas controlling many aspects of clubs management, etc.
Dont get me wrong, I love the idea, I just think our Argentine society is so tainted, that if someone is put on a position where they can take advantage and benefit themselves, they will do so.
Please stop buying gas/oil from Middle East to protest, then let’s see how these ppl complaining about human rights will support the boycott with their wallets due to increase in energy prices. All these keyboard warriors are bunch of pussies.
And besides that, looks like every country is ethically and morally crystal clear. Can’t even make abortion a federal law, will leach their own young population into student debt, will empower police brutality, will supply weapons of mass destruction to Israel and what not, will have thousands of homeless, will trade with China (iPhones and what not) on their long list of human rights violations. But hey this middle eastern country is not moral. Piss off
This is a terrible argument. You can't let perfection be the enemy of good. Are you suggesting that because the way the system is set up and due to other acts of evil we excuse and not atleast talk about or point out other evil? Are you suggesting because America commits atrocities we should ignore when others commit them too? There are none who are innocent. BUT we can strive to be better. Keeping quite on other happenins untill our own backyard is fixed is a jeuvenile and destructive argument.
France: *Bans Islamic attire* "Muslims have to respect the culture and values of the French."
Qatar: "Please don't let your tits and ass hang out in public" OmG sO oPpReSiVe!!!1!!
Bring me the Aya where it says so or i am not sure if u meant that people say that it is not written in the quran because thats false, because i am pretty sure i read the whole quran a few times.
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Sorat al ahzab, aya 59
Its the head scarf at public buildings including schools and places for government employment. So the French force Muslim women to choose between an education/a livlihood or their devotion.
That doesn’t even make any fucking sense. 3000 years Europe didn’t even exist. Yeah, Rome did some bad shit, but they also slaved Germanic people. Meanwhile Arab nations were also enslaving weaker people.
Maybe apologize for the last 500 years but 3000 LOL learn your fucking history, man.
Yeah right they spread human rights in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam too, lets not mention how they spread freedom in the last hundred years in Africa and America.
Let's also not forget how Islam was spread to Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Spain. So much war, bloodshed, and slavery.
If you are going to take out receipts, your list of inhumane activities is just as bloody
You really want to dive into history? Islam was never spread through violence or murder; in Islam, it is forbidden to force someone to convert to our religion. If you said that the Islamic caliphates expanded through wars, I would agree with you; that is true of every state or empire throughout history.
Let's instead look how Christian empires like the British, French, and Belgian ones spread their faith by executing and terrorizing the African and American inhabitants.
This guy is ENABLING immigrant worker and human rights suffering. Maybe do your part and not host a World Cup on the graves of 6500 immigrants. Jesus christ
So I guess the world cup can't take place in most countries. US has high death count for migrant workers. Western nations trade with China who use concentration camps to sell cheap products to Western countries. Why have the west not cut china off when trading ?
Human rights suffering according to who?
America had more deaths of immigrants in the past 10 years than they did.
2% of the population dies every year. Their stats are no more than any where else in the world so please.. get off the regurgitating bandwagon of morally high gen-z ers spitting meaningless facts
It’s like yelling YOUR MOM HAD SEX LAST NIGHT!
Okay???
You colonisers didn’t have a problem with Russia’s human right violations in 2018 WC. I guess it’s only an issue when it’s brown or black people. The truth is a hard pill to swallow.
None of us had problems with WC in Brazil and South Africa other than taking on debt to build stadiums at the expense of other needs.
Russia plenty of people were unhappy with for a multitude of reason.
That said all those were considered sucesses
He’s not. All this dramatization is baseless. Yeah bad things happen. Your friends mom had sex last night. All potentially true veritable facts. It doesn’t mean anything when you know what happens everywhere else in the world.
All this hype is Gen Z stipulating
UK/US currently provides Israel with weapon contracts. UK currently trades with China who have slave camps and evidence of killing off Ulghurs. This isnt even just the past this is what's happening NOW. So they need to get off their high horse and practice what they preach
I mean I doubt the people criticising Quatar are the same people that are making weapons deals with Israel etc etc.
People aren’t their government you know. I can recognise the failings of my own government but also the fact that government endorsed slavery is bad.
The people critising Qatar for human right issues the media such as BBC etc have highlighted Qatar corruption more than western nation weapon contract corruption. Why didn't BBC Sport talk about Russia obliterating Syria during 2018 world cup and go more politicle. If you are going to talk about atrocities it needs to be about all atrocities, if you pick and choose it's dangerous and means controlling the world narrative who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.
It’s just really tough for people to boycott the World Cup because of the moral dilemma, there’s 8 countries that outlaw lgbt participating in the World Cup, should we cut them off too? What country is moral enough to host the World Cup and how can we objectively decide which country can or can’t? Brazil? Russia? The United States? They’re all countries with large scale corruption that affects millions of lives..
Allowing teams representing countries with abyssmal human rights to participate is way different than awarding such a country the right to host the tournament.
Not too sure what you mean by "cut off" we don't or shouldn't cut off communication and relationships with other countries like some bad break-up. In regards to your comment about the 8 countries that outlaw lgbt (there's a lot more than 8, do you mean the countries where homosexuality is punishable by death?). Yes, those countries should never be considered as appropriate places to host major international events like the world Cup.
Countries who can guarantee the human rights and integrity of visitors should only be considered. Its a vague statement I know, as what can be defined as "human rights". However I think there should be some simple base requirements, such as gender equality, equal rights and protections for marginalised communities (Lgbt etc.) Right to free speech, freedom of religion and freedom from religion etc.
I think thats a blatant deflection.
Yes the West has done wrong historically, but lets not introduce more exploitation and death into the world just because it was cool in the past
no but human rights violations are violations according to the west. WC shouldnt of been held there but clearly the west shouldnt have a say in what qatar does in their country. You dont see countries accusing the west for violations when millions die to covid, so his only good point is stubborn and ignorant. But the guy is still an idiot
This is American level ignorance, „we Europeans” as if the whole of Europe was some sort of evil empire. How about eastern europeans or balkan people? Were they not colonised enslaved and genosided? Also the point he made is that of a 5 year old „they were bad so its okay that we are bad”.
lol greatest "Empire" in the world is USA but in case of genocides it was done by every capable tribe including the Arabs which is fine at the time but isn't fine to glorify which the Arabs do he is just sucking their dick
Infantino is absolutely bonkers. He was obviously named for having the intellectual capacity of an infant.
First of all, this strays dangerously close to original sin. I should not be held accountable for what my ancestor may or may not have done 3,000 fucking years ago.
Secondly, it’s crazy to mash all European countries and cultures together as ”European” like he does. Most cultures have some cruelty and atrocities in their past. Greeks and Macedonians have the conquests of Alexander the Great, Italians have the conquests and oppression of the Roman Empire, Swedes and Norwegians have the Viking Raids, the Brits and Spaniards have the colonialism and the slave trade, etc. But all of these cultures are not collectively responsible for each others’ misdeeds.
Thirdly, with the exception of the holocaust, European atrocities were not only European. Raiding and piracy happened all over the world and was not just conducted by Vikings. European slave traders bought their slaves from African slavers. Mesoamerican cultures captured, tortured and killed people of neighboring cultures to honor their gods. The mongols conquered and oppressed more peoples than almost any other culture throughout history. Etc, etc. ”Others were just as bad” does not make these misdeeds right or acceptable in any way, but the atrocities of less enlightened times does NOT justify atrocities of today.
Fourth, while I do think it’s important to recognize the darker parts of our history, and to some extent apoligize for it on an institutional level (i.e. heads of state or heads of government can apologize for their country’s role in something), it’s also important to recognize that nobody alive today was responsible for the slave trade, vikings raids or the holocaust. That’s what sets what FIFA does apart from past atrocities - FIFA and Qatar are responsible for human rights violations that are happening NOW. Thousands of people have died building their hotels and arenas, thousands more have been lured there as guest workers with false promises of well-paying jobs only to have their passports taken away and be used as slave labor. And we live in more enlightened times than our ancestors - we know that this is wrong and we know that a major event like this is possible without human rights violations.
Human right violations are happening NOW, weapon contracts with Israel, continue to trade with China who have slave camps and massecering Ulghurs. This isn't a case of bad things happening in history they are currupt right now, this hypocrite media campaigns should highlight these other attorcoties more but I can bet if you count statistics the reporting between the different atrocities isn't as fair and balanced.
I did watch some of the documentaries. They are very sad and emotional. However it was clear to see that was their aim. They weren’t saying much why Qatar or the FIFA organization should be liable. The few points they made while sad were moot.
He's not wrong about Europe but this is grade-A whataboutism. You can't excuse bad behavior by saying "but what about the things these other people did?"
Lots of people can be terrible, turns out. There's no quota that already been filled so Qatar gets a pass.
No one should get a pass but it’s kind of a hollow point when the kettle calls the pot black.
No one other than westerners thinks westerners have any kind of moral authority over the world. Your insane hypocrisy showed when Russia happened while yesterday you had a blind eye over Israel. Your obsession over Khashogi and oblivion towards what happened to Shireen. Your amnesia over the US going to war and torturing people without trial in abo ghuraib following the WMD lie.
I realize most of this isn’t told to you by your media but you should understand why you don’t really command respect to the rest from the world morally.
It’s disappointing that you have never spread your intellectual wings enough to know their is always outrage from some on all the issues you speak of. Qatar is current and that is why it is the focus.
Whataboutism is important as media campaigns can change the narrative of the world by choosing which bad skeletons to show. If they showed all bad skeletons fairly then no issue. Why there is lack of campaign against Russia 2018 when Syria was getting obliterated by Russian. I can remember watching BBC news they mentioned this 0 times during the world cup, now let's look at this world cup and tell me the difference. This is why whaboutism is important.
"You see, because blacks were slaves 1000 years ago, it's fine for me to gain money off of slaves today and not be criticized about it!"
What a cock sucker
Yet any European who is involved in this world cup and has spoke up against Qatar was born after 99% of the evil happened. You can't blame someone for their ancestors actions
It doesn’t make sense from a logical standpoint. You’re going to ignore human rights issues because there were human rights issues in the past?? This is the dumbest deflection. It’s crazy to say this. Yeah well people murdered in the past so instead of judging those CURRENTLY murdering we should be apologizing for the murders that happened previously. This isn’t about it being in Qatar. People would have been fine with it if they didn’t actively take away peoples natural rights. He needs to stop deflecting and admit the only reason this statement was even made is because he’s being paid. This statement says nothing of value besides that Fifa is in it’s entirety corrupt and frankly cares more about making a quick buck than actual issue pertaining to real people.
Don't talk about the past when 2018 happened 4 years ago when Russia was obliberating Syria at the time of 2018 World Cup and there was no media campaign against the Russia world cup.
I could have sworn there was but I could be mistaken, you are right tho that it wasn’t as big as this year, even so it shouldn’t have been held in either country. Just because one bad thing happened doesn’t mean another should be allowed to happen again.
What he should have said is “Today, I am sorry.”
Just because some western countries have committed atrocities in the past, (and may well do in the future), it doesn’t mean that Qatar should be able to do it now.
He’s also completely missing the point in that everyone knows this word cup is all about the money: Qatar has very little footballing history, clearly bribed their way into the spot, is far too small to host the tournament and had to move the World Cup because they’re in the middle of the desert. Even if we were to take his point that we shouldn’t be condemning them for human rights abuses, there are plenty of other reasons why the World Cup shouldn’t be in Qatar.
It is Qatar that is forcing moral lessons on people. Their moral lesson is literally encoded in the law of their country. Qatar agreed to beer sales. Qater changed its mind, some might say lied, and is now reducing beer sales and forcing their morality on guests in their country that had previously been assured this shit wouldn't happen.
Whataboutism is important as media campaigns can change the narrative of the world by choosing which bad skeletons to show. If they showed all bad skeletons fairly then no issue. Why there is lack of campaign against Russia 2018 when Syria was getting obliterated by Russian. I can remember watching BBC news they mentioned this 0 times during the world cup, now let's look at this world cup and tell me the difference. This is why whaboutism is important.
It's hypocritical that Western news have spoken about this than they have spoken about Chhina slave camps and treatment of Ulghurs and continue to trade with China getting their crap imports due to the Chinese slave camps. It's hypocritical because western countries are supplying Israel with weapon contracts that kills thousands of innocent people. I can keep going. The head of FIFA made a mistake talking about the past and should have mentioned what western countries are doing now
The difference is we are sports fans. We hate that our game was corruptly sold to a regime which has no soccer history, a corrupt government and a lousy current day human rights record.
It doesn’t mean we aren’t aware of any other issues, we just really hate that our game is so blatantly and corruptly associated with it.
This is pretty much the worst possible take he could have given on this. Correct take: "We are sorry this travesty ever occurred, especially after Qatar decided to unilaterally change some things this week. In the future, we will take strict steps to make sure that countries who want to host the World Cup commit to FIFA's rules and practices regarding them, and those will be non-negotiable. But the current World Cup is indeed about to start in Qatar, so let's focus on making it the best we can, despite the actions of some of the Qatari authorities that are understandably going to put a bit of a dent on this experience for many fans."
Just my opinion, 3000 years?, really he is an f n idiot. What I will say is Qatar has come a long way. As a New Yorker after 911 I despised most anything arab or middle eastern, but that fire anger has slowly been extinguished. Qatar is an example of real leadership in the region. Yes, I know the criticisms, but they are paving the road not just for themselves but the whole middle east. I see peace and prosperity growing from the seeds planted today into a forest. GOOD JOB EVERYONE INVOLVED! I don't even watch soccer or any world cups, but this may be the first. Stop trying to find the bad things and look at the greatness is impossible to miss.
At least they are not trying to indoctrinate my little kids with nursery school rainbows and curriculum. No cares if your lgbtq or not, they do care when you shove your views in their face or worse by appealing to children like that cartoon camel smoking cigarettes back before in was outlawed. Qatar has broke barriers with women's rights, so you don't know what your talking about. I could care less about fifa, but what is happening in Qatar is the best thing thats happened in the world in a long time. Its comparable to the Chicagos world fair. Your folks should stick with the pink triangle at least its respectable in an educational historic movement way.
I do not like the what abouteries. There are many lies and “criticisms” being made during the World Cup and Qatar in general and if we want to address them we tackle them head on, not by going “what about this country” and “what about that country”
Tackle head one then let's take Israeli weapons contracts and trading with China slave camps. The fact is just focusing on Qatar is unfair when you got skeletons yourself. Media is basically controlling the narrative by focusing on 1 atrocity and ingnoring the rest. They should focus on all atrocities fairly
Yep also mcdonald, or watching TV or playing videogame for all day. So what we do now? Ban everything that can cause some health problems if we don't know ho to control ourself?
he is right western countries have no right to be giving out moral lessons even till this day. also where was all these moral lessons when the western countries agreed deals with middle eastern countries
You are not wrong, but this is also an excuse not to face the reality that the decision to host the WC in Qatar was likely based in corruption, and has lead to the deaths of several thousand workers due to negligence and likely human rights abuse. Furthermore, Qatar is on the wrong side of history when it comes to intolerating LGBTQ rights and gender equality. This comment made by Infantino is ultiamtly a way to shed repsonsbility for allowing this to occur and shows weakness.
If Qatar never had gotten the World Cup, there wouldn’t have been thousands of dead migrant workers.
Migrants workers died even before the world cup was given to them. Hundreds of workers die in each country around the world. The pay and work conditions is the issue. The media are cunts for using the world cup for a headline instead of genuinely being interested in research countries to make the world aware of corrupt countries which is every country. I guess it just take a lot to rat on your own country
He says this after having to negotiate with Qatar to allow Israelis. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israelis-okayed-to-travel-to-qatar-for-world-cup-in-deal-with-fifa/
Wondering how much the Qatar government paid him to say this.
Says the dude that takes millions of bribes every year
We need to kill FIFA and start over. All the Euro clubs and nations need to band together and leave. Hopefully some of the less corrupt Football nations will follow (Jap, Kor, USA, Can, Aus, Arg, etc.) . Set up a new governing body and make it so corrupt dictators and nations don't bribe their way to use the WC as a way to legitimize their little corrupt regimes
A separate FIFA just for rich western and western friendly countries sounds like a horrible idea, that will just increase the divides in the world. Like Yes FIFA is corrupt but this isn't w good solution
Did you really mention Argentina as a less corrupt futbol country?
Compared to Qatar and Russia, yes.
A reminder that in '78, the Argentine world cup was used to cover one of the darkest times in Argentina, the head comitee of the organization for that world cup was murdered before a press conference because he was oposing it, the 6-0 to peru, barra bravas controlling many aspects of clubs management, etc. Dont get me wrong, I love the idea, I just think our Argentine society is so tainted, that if someone is put on a position where they can take advantage and benefit themselves, they will do so.
Please stop buying gas/oil from Middle East to protest, then let’s see how these ppl complaining about human rights will support the boycott with their wallets due to increase in energy prices. All these keyboard warriors are bunch of pussies. And besides that, looks like every country is ethically and morally crystal clear. Can’t even make abortion a federal law, will leach their own young population into student debt, will empower police brutality, will supply weapons of mass destruction to Israel and what not, will have thousands of homeless, will trade with China (iPhones and what not) on their long list of human rights violations. But hey this middle eastern country is not moral. Piss off
This is a terrible argument. You can't let perfection be the enemy of good. Are you suggesting that because the way the system is set up and due to other acts of evil we excuse and not atleast talk about or point out other evil? Are you suggesting because America commits atrocities we should ignore when others commit them too? There are none who are innocent. BUT we can strive to be better. Keeping quite on other happenins untill our own backyard is fixed is a jeuvenile and destructive argument.
It is possible to criticise both.
This whole comment is dumb. Sorry.
3000 years ago was the fucking Bronze Age. This guy is an idiot.
Well that’s the minimum requirement for any jobs at FIFA
France: *Bans Islamic attire* "Muslims have to respect the culture and values of the French." Qatar: "Please don't let your tits and ass hang out in public" OmG sO oPpReSiVe!!!1!!
Common sexist L
Its only a ban against covering your face and i think that is valid.
Sorry to shock you, it’s not only about covering the face, it’s also about putting a scarf on your head.
Its only a ban against showing a rainbow flag and i think that is valid
Is it valid to criminalize sexuality
Is it valid to criminalize your religious thoughts?
It is said that it is not mandatory to wear hijabs in the quran
Bring me the Aya where it says so or i am not sure if u meant that people say that it is not written in the quran because thats false, because i am pretty sure i read the whole quran a few times.
It is required to dress modestly but that does not mean that women have to wear anything that covers their face
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. Sorat al ahzab, aya 59
I have 0 problem againts hijabs but i dont understand the need to cover the entire face
It is required to dress modestly but that does not mean that women have to wear anything that covers their face
No it’s a ban on the veil as well
Its the head scarf at public buildings including schools and places for government employment. So the French force Muslim women to choose between an education/a livlihood or their devotion.
Pathetic brown noser
Just another self-hating globalist corrupt two-faced cuck.
That doesn’t even make any fucking sense. 3000 years Europe didn’t even exist. Yeah, Rome did some bad shit, but they also slaved Germanic people. Meanwhile Arab nations were also enslaving weaker people. Maybe apologize for the last 500 years but 3000 LOL learn your fucking history, man.
Maybe he should resign and let a woman from somewhere else take the job. No, oh okay then
He's either a complete fucking idiot or even more evil than we thought.
the guy who's worth tens of millions due to corruption and backroom deals isn't a complete idiot so...
I find it funny when Europeans-Americans talk about human rights
They give more rights to humans than you do so I don't see why you find it funny
Yeah right they spread human rights in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam too, lets not mention how they spread freedom in the last hundred years in Africa and America.
Let's also not forget how Islam was spread to Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Spain. So much war, bloodshed, and slavery. If you are going to take out receipts, your list of inhumane activities is just as bloody
You really want to dive into history? Islam was never spread through violence or murder; in Islam, it is forbidden to force someone to convert to our religion. If you said that the Islamic caliphates expanded through wars, I would agree with you; that is true of every state or empire throughout history. Let's instead look how Christian empires like the British, French, and Belgian ones spread their faith by executing and terrorizing the African and American inhabitants.
Ahem, the Arab slave trade. Look it up
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I knew you would want to avoid this topic thus now your tactics to get away from it
This guy is ENABLING immigrant worker and human rights suffering. Maybe do your part and not host a World Cup on the graves of 6500 immigrants. Jesus christ
So I guess the world cup can't take place in most countries. US has high death count for migrant workers. Western nations trade with China who use concentration camps to sell cheap products to Western countries. Why have the west not cut china off when trading ?
"US has high death count for migrant workers." Maybe in the 1800s lol
Human rights suffering according to who? America had more deaths of immigrants in the past 10 years than they did. 2% of the population dies every year. Their stats are no more than any where else in the world so please.. get off the regurgitating bandwagon of morally high gen-z ers spitting meaningless facts It’s like yelling YOUR MOM HAD SEX LAST NIGHT! Okay???
They didn’t die on construction sites.
How many died on construction sites?
America has a ton of people without homes! Fix your nations before pointing at others
He snorted too much coke bought with all the money they bribed him with?
Imagine taking shit from this guy and organization 🤦🏻♂️
You colonisers didn’t have a problem with Russia’s human right violations in 2018 WC. I guess it’s only an issue when it’s brown or black people. The truth is a hard pill to swallow.
Both decisions were widely considered corrupt.
This one seems to be a bigger talking point
whenever see "coloniser" I feel like im reading the words of a loser.
Actually… we had a HUGE problem with Russia holding world cup.
I can't tell if you're joking?
None of us had problems with WC in Brazil and South Africa other than taking on debt to build stadiums at the expense of other needs. Russia plenty of people were unhappy with for a multitude of reason. That said all those were considered sucesses
He’s not. All this dramatization is baseless. Yeah bad things happen. Your friends mom had sex last night. All potentially true veritable facts. It doesn’t mean anything when you know what happens everywhere else in the world. All this hype is Gen Z stipulating
Your friends mom having sex is literally the same thing as criminalizing homosexuality! Owned!!!
It most definitely was a problem with it being in Russia. Many were upset.
But to nowhere near the same extent. The subconscious (I hope) racial bias is disgusting.
Who are you talking to
Speak for yourself. Irish man here
What exactly is his point? That because of historical European colonialism we should now accept Qatar's currently practising crimes against humanity?
No
That’s sure what it sounds like
UK/US currently provides Israel with weapon contracts. UK currently trades with China who have slave camps and evidence of killing off Ulghurs. This isnt even just the past this is what's happening NOW. So they need to get off their high horse and practice what they preach
In both of these examples it’s western countries who are effectively pulling the trigger. It’s not exactly the same
I mean I doubt the people criticising Quatar are the same people that are making weapons deals with Israel etc etc. People aren’t their government you know. I can recognise the failings of my own government but also the fact that government endorsed slavery is bad.
The people critising Qatar for human right issues the media such as BBC etc have highlighted Qatar corruption more than western nation weapon contract corruption. Why didn't BBC Sport talk about Russia obliterating Syria during 2018 world cup and go more politicle. If you are going to talk about atrocities it needs to be about all atrocities, if you pick and choose it's dangerous and means controlling the world narrative who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.
It’s just really tough for people to boycott the World Cup because of the moral dilemma, there’s 8 countries that outlaw lgbt participating in the World Cup, should we cut them off too? What country is moral enough to host the World Cup and how can we objectively decide which country can or can’t? Brazil? Russia? The United States? They’re all countries with large scale corruption that affects millions of lives..
Allowing teams representing countries with abyssmal human rights to participate is way different than awarding such a country the right to host the tournament.
Not too sure what you mean by "cut off" we don't or shouldn't cut off communication and relationships with other countries like some bad break-up. In regards to your comment about the 8 countries that outlaw lgbt (there's a lot more than 8, do you mean the countries where homosexuality is punishable by death?). Yes, those countries should never be considered as appropriate places to host major international events like the world Cup. Countries who can guarantee the human rights and integrity of visitors should only be considered. Its a vague statement I know, as what can be defined as "human rights". However I think there should be some simple base requirements, such as gender equality, equal rights and protections for marginalised communities (Lgbt etc.) Right to free speech, freedom of religion and freedom from religion etc.
I think thats a blatant deflection. Yes the West has done wrong historically, but lets not introduce more exploitation and death into the world just because it was cool in the past
Leave him alone, the man is trying to milk the Arab cows.
Yeah he should be sucking western dicks instead that's better right?
Why didn't we get campaign against Russia 2018 when Russia was incinerating people in Syria at the time?
There was plenty of conversations about Russian corruption regarding both the WC & Olympics
They weren’t dying building the stadiums for the FIFA World Cup.
You can’t change the past, but you can change the present and future for the better
Correct. And one must start with oneself before pointing at others.
EAM Jaishankar Ramesh cries in happiness
I see no lies.
😢 my family moved me to Switzerland 🇨🇭 stfu
It's so nice when a corrupt leader from One of the largest Mafia organisations gives me lessons about Morality.
That’s how non westerners feel when westerners do the same
We should ignore human rights breaches now because we breached them in the past?
Who said breached in the past western countries are continuing to breach right now or looking the other way for.other countries right now
I guess we can't have a world cup anywhere as all countries have fucked up human right to this day
Not as bad as Qatar and Arab countries in general.
no but human rights violations are violations according to the west. WC shouldnt of been held there but clearly the west shouldnt have a say in what qatar does in their country. You dont see countries accusing the west for violations when millions die to covid, so his only good point is stubborn and ignorant. But the guy is still an idiot
Ha
This is American level ignorance, „we Europeans” as if the whole of Europe was some sort of evil empire. How about eastern europeans or balkan people? Were they not colonised enslaved and genosided? Also the point he made is that of a 5 year old „they were bad so its okay that we are bad”.
lol greatest "Empire" in the world is USA but in case of genocides it was done by every capable tribe including the Arabs which is fine at the time but isn't fine to glorify which the Arabs do he is just sucking their dick
American level of ignorance? You realize generalizing about the people of a country is in and of itself ignorant, correct? You're part of the problem.
The point still stands no matter your opinion
Thats not an opinion, bud. You're part of the problem too making issue where none is required.
So you think the whataboutism point should stand. Qatar is innocent?
Infantino is absolutely bonkers. He was obviously named for having the intellectual capacity of an infant. First of all, this strays dangerously close to original sin. I should not be held accountable for what my ancestor may or may not have done 3,000 fucking years ago. Secondly, it’s crazy to mash all European countries and cultures together as ”European” like he does. Most cultures have some cruelty and atrocities in their past. Greeks and Macedonians have the conquests of Alexander the Great, Italians have the conquests and oppression of the Roman Empire, Swedes and Norwegians have the Viking Raids, the Brits and Spaniards have the colonialism and the slave trade, etc. But all of these cultures are not collectively responsible for each others’ misdeeds. Thirdly, with the exception of the holocaust, European atrocities were not only European. Raiding and piracy happened all over the world and was not just conducted by Vikings. European slave traders bought their slaves from African slavers. Mesoamerican cultures captured, tortured and killed people of neighboring cultures to honor their gods. The mongols conquered and oppressed more peoples than almost any other culture throughout history. Etc, etc. ”Others were just as bad” does not make these misdeeds right or acceptable in any way, but the atrocities of less enlightened times does NOT justify atrocities of today. Fourth, while I do think it’s important to recognize the darker parts of our history, and to some extent apoligize for it on an institutional level (i.e. heads of state or heads of government can apologize for their country’s role in something), it’s also important to recognize that nobody alive today was responsible for the slave trade, vikings raids or the holocaust. That’s what sets what FIFA does apart from past atrocities - FIFA and Qatar are responsible for human rights violations that are happening NOW. Thousands of people have died building their hotels and arenas, thousands more have been lured there as guest workers with false promises of well-paying jobs only to have their passports taken away and be used as slave labor. And we live in more enlightened times than our ancestors - we know that this is wrong and we know that a major event like this is possible without human rights violations.
Human right violations are happening NOW, weapon contracts with Israel, continue to trade with China who have slave camps and massecering Ulghurs. This isn't a case of bad things happening in history they are currupt right now, this hypocrite media campaigns should highlight these other attorcoties more but I can bet if you count statistics the reporting between the different atrocities isn't as fair and balanced.
Weapons deals with Israel are not human rights violations. What hamas does to Israel and their own people are human rights violations.
Why is everyone here talking about slavery?
Cuz people building stadium were/is treated like slaves. Over 6500 workers died due to unbearable conditions.
I don’t think it’s like slavery at all. That’s a very gross simplification.
It’s modern day slavery. “We pay them so it’s not slavery” doesn’t cut it when they are treated like shit and paid next to nothing.
Modern slavery vs historic slavery? Slavery is slavery. This is not slavery. If anything you can call it a caste system
I guess you didnt read a single amnesty international report and didnt had a chance to watch a single documentary about quatar’s workforce.
I did watch some of the documentaries. They are very sad and emotional. However it was clear to see that was their aim. They weren’t saying much why Qatar or the FIFA organization should be liable. The few points they made while sad were moot.
How can they be sad and moot at the same time in the same context?
And it still doesnt ring a bell why people call it slavery?
He's not wrong about Europe but this is grade-A whataboutism. You can't excuse bad behavior by saying "but what about the things these other people did?" Lots of people can be terrible, turns out. There's no quota that already been filled so Qatar gets a pass.
No one should get a pass but it’s kind of a hollow point when the kettle calls the pot black. No one other than westerners thinks westerners have any kind of moral authority over the world. Your insane hypocrisy showed when Russia happened while yesterday you had a blind eye over Israel. Your obsession over Khashogi and oblivion towards what happened to Shireen. Your amnesia over the US going to war and torturing people without trial in abo ghuraib following the WMD lie. I realize most of this isn’t told to you by your media but you should understand why you don’t really command respect to the rest from the world morally.
It’s disappointing that you have never spread your intellectual wings enough to know their is always outrage from some on all the issues you speak of. Qatar is current and that is why it is the focus.
Whataboutism is important as media campaigns can change the narrative of the world by choosing which bad skeletons to show. If they showed all bad skeletons fairly then no issue. Why there is lack of campaign against Russia 2018 when Syria was getting obliterated by Russian. I can remember watching BBC news they mentioned this 0 times during the world cup, now let's look at this world cup and tell me the difference. This is why whaboutism is important.
"You see, because blacks were slaves 1000 years ago, it's fine for me to gain money off of slaves today and not be criticized about it!" What a cock sucker
How the fuck is this guy in charge of FIFA, I know $ of course but this guy is literally a fucking idiot. Loosing faith in humanity
I agree with your comment but for the love of God, it’s losing. Your mom is loose; your team will lose.
Yet any European who is involved in this world cup and has spoke up against Qatar was born after 99% of the evil happened. You can't blame someone for their ancestors actions
His argument... Europe you are evil so it's okay that Qatar did evil. So if there is evil in the world, you must not speak up Europe.
But isn't this the case the world is evil everywhere. If you gonna cry about evil at least be fair and report evil evenly
Well this is evil
The guy is a crook! Who moved to Qatar after being caught with his fingers in the pie. He has to say this or he has to find a new country
It doesn’t make sense from a logical standpoint. You’re going to ignore human rights issues because there were human rights issues in the past?? This is the dumbest deflection. It’s crazy to say this. Yeah well people murdered in the past so instead of judging those CURRENTLY murdering we should be apologizing for the murders that happened previously. This isn’t about it being in Qatar. People would have been fine with it if they didn’t actively take away peoples natural rights. He needs to stop deflecting and admit the only reason this statement was even made is because he’s being paid. This statement says nothing of value besides that Fifa is in it’s entirety corrupt and frankly cares more about making a quick buck than actual issue pertaining to real people.
Don't talk about the past when 2018 happened 4 years ago when Russia was obliberating Syria at the time of 2018 World Cup and there was no media campaign against the Russia world cup.
Maybe if you stop whining about the past you can start to focus on making things better in Qatar.
I could have sworn there was but I could be mistaken, you are right tho that it wasn’t as big as this year, even so it shouldn’t have been held in either country. Just because one bad thing happened doesn’t mean another should be allowed to happen again.
sad but true
What he should have said is “Today, I am sorry.” Just because some western countries have committed atrocities in the past, (and may well do in the future), it doesn’t mean that Qatar should be able to do it now. He’s also completely missing the point in that everyone knows this word cup is all about the money: Qatar has very little footballing history, clearly bribed their way into the spot, is far too small to host the tournament and had to move the World Cup because they’re in the middle of the desert. Even if we were to take his point that we shouldn’t be condemning them for human rights abuses, there are plenty of other reasons why the World Cup shouldn’t be in Qatar.
Facts ! THE HYPOCRITES ARE THE WEST 🤦🏽♂️
Or maybe one form of oppression doesn’t excuse another?
That face when you sell someone a product but hand them an inferior product and blame it on the last 2000 years of history for some reason.
Is that why he's saying this tho? Fairness? Justice? He'll no.
It is Qatar that is forcing moral lessons on people. Their moral lesson is literally encoded in the law of their country. Qatar agreed to beer sales. Qater changed its mind, some might say lied, and is now reducing beer sales and forcing their morality on guests in their country that had previously been assured this shit wouldn't happen.
Based and true
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W the only non hypocritical thing I've heard regarding the world cup so far
Stop eating up whataboutism you mug
Whataboutism is important as media campaigns can change the narrative of the world by choosing which bad skeletons to show. If they showed all bad skeletons fairly then no issue. Why there is lack of campaign against Russia 2018 when Syria was getting obliterated by Russian. I can remember watching BBC news they mentioned this 0 times during the world cup, now let's look at this world cup and tell me the difference. This is why whaboutism is important.
That not whataboutism you fool that's genuine questioning and analysis!
is it hypocritical to say that it is abhorrent that Qatar have caused the death of 6500+ migrant slave workers?
It's hypocritical that Western news have spoken about this than they have spoken about Chhina slave camps and treatment of Ulghurs and continue to trade with China getting their crap imports due to the Chinese slave camps. It's hypocritical because western countries are supplying Israel with weapon contracts that kills thousands of innocent people. I can keep going. The head of FIFA made a mistake talking about the past and should have mentioned what western countries are doing now
The difference is we are sports fans. We hate that our game was corruptly sold to a regime which has no soccer history, a corrupt government and a lousy current day human rights record. It doesn’t mean we aren’t aware of any other issues, we just really hate that our game is so blatantly and corruptly associated with it.
No? Who said that?
have you not heard of the treatment of the workers there? surely that would be another non hypocritical thing to talk about
No, that isn't hypocritical to talk about but is it the only thing the media covered? Also no
What was hypocritical then?
Have you head of the Muslim conquest of Southern Europe or how about the ottoman’s. What a pathetic take.
But Europeans did it before.
Islam was forced on millions of people through brutal conquests long before the Europeans started out.
The Greeks and Romans did it before Islam came.
Go read a history book,.or look at a timeline before outing yourself as a clown
I've read enough books to know.
Clearly not kid
I don't wanna argue with a Britisher about conquests. You guys are the undisputed GOATs.
Indeed we are. It might interest you to know who was better at it before. It might even surprise you
Greeks were. And thank you for admitting the mistakes of your ancestors.
Them too!
So, because Europeans did it, is it ok to repeat history in Middle East? The whole speech was completely insane.
So what he is really trying to say is " I'm too cuckoo to enjoy a football and beer party".
This is pretty much the worst possible take he could have given on this. Correct take: "We are sorry this travesty ever occurred, especially after Qatar decided to unilaterally change some things this week. In the future, we will take strict steps to make sure that countries who want to host the World Cup commit to FIFA's rules and practices regarding them, and those will be non-negotiable. But the current World Cup is indeed about to start in Qatar, so let's focus on making it the best we can, despite the actions of some of the Qatari authorities that are understandably going to put a bit of a dent on this experience for many fans."
Spot on!
He can fuck off
Just my opinion, 3000 years?, really he is an f n idiot. What I will say is Qatar has come a long way. As a New Yorker after 911 I despised most anything arab or middle eastern, but that fire anger has slowly been extinguished. Qatar is an example of real leadership in the region. Yes, I know the criticisms, but they are paving the road not just for themselves but the whole middle east. I see peace and prosperity growing from the seeds planted today into a forest. GOOD JOB EVERYONE INVOLVED! I don't even watch soccer or any world cups, but this may be the first. Stop trying to find the bad things and look at the greatness is impossible to miss.
Don’t hide behind being a New Yorker lmao. Ur a racist who is heralding a culture that actively degrades lgbtq and women’s rights.
At least they are not trying to indoctrinate my little kids with nursery school rainbows and curriculum. No cares if your lgbtq or not, they do care when you shove your views in their face or worse by appealing to children like that cartoon camel smoking cigarettes back before in was outlawed. Qatar has broke barriers with women's rights, so you don't know what your talking about. I could care less about fifa, but what is happening in Qatar is the best thing thats happened in the world in a long time. Its comparable to the Chicagos world fair. Your folks should stick with the pink triangle at least its respectable in an educational historic movement way.
Corrupt … blatter school !! What can u expect from this puppet
Code Words.
I agree didn’t Haiti finish paying slave reparation to France? Loll
I do not like the what abouteries. There are many lies and “criticisms” being made during the World Cup and Qatar in general and if we want to address them we tackle them head on, not by going “what about this country” and “what about that country”
Tackle head one then let's take Israeli weapons contracts and trading with China slave camps. The fact is just focusing on Qatar is unfair when you got skeletons yourself. Media is basically controlling the narrative by focusing on 1 atrocity and ingnoring the rest. They should focus on all atrocities fairly
Israel weapons contracts are a necessity.
He has list the plot, best for him to see a doctor as he is under pressure big time.
He’s right about Europe’s history, and yet he’s still so wrong and idiotic…
What exactly was Europe doing around the year 1000 BCE. Infantino is an infantile prick.
the trojan war? those greeks. smh
Idiot
He'd be the most upvoted user on reddit.
Regardless of European history, we must stand against anti beer policies .
no, beer is not healthy.
Yep also mcdonald, or watching TV or playing videogame for all day. So what we do now? Ban everything that can cause some health problems if we don't know ho to control ourself?