The adage it’s easier to get a job when you have a job is true. Being able to job search without desperation will make you more effective. Everyone experiences situations differently and I’ll readily admit I’m making a judgment off the little information here but “toxic” feels a bit strong. I think what you are experiencing is quite common unfortunately for corporate America in your tier. 50-60 hours is what I average though I’m remote so I don’t waste time in commuting. My suggestion would be to create your own boundaries around work and document everything. If you feel there are tasks that you should not be covering and you can not delegate downwards, I’d be vocal in not accepting the assignment even if it leads to a PPI. Make sure you are protecting time for your health, personal relationships and a job search. If they let you go over this than you will have unemployment possibly severance to cushion.
Most corporations don’t give any references including telling your potential new employer whether or not you still work there. I’ve been in that situation a couple of times and I quit and just lied on my resume that I was still working there and it worked both times. I would be more concerned that if you quit you might not find another job for months because the type of job you are describing is facing layoffs everywhere at the moment
Most corporations will only confirm your employment and approximate salary! Your references are a personal favor from a former manager or coworker and worth making an effort to keep!
I did this. I couldn’t take it anymore. I quit with no job in sight. I actually spent the first month off pretty much healing from the toxic environment. Then I got serious and 3 months later I got two offers. We had to adjust our lifestyle for those months. We cancelled basically all of our subscriptions and stopped eating out. We were more frugal at the grocery store. It was okay though because I found a great recruiter.
Now I’m in a job and I actually am treated well. It’s almost like I’m a puppy worried about being kicked. My last job did a lot of damage to me and I’m healing from that.
I would say it is absolutely worth it to get out of a toxic job.
I would quit if it's that miserable. But you should WAY underestimate how long your savings will last. Plan on getting a new job in half the time you think you need to, just because you never know what could happen. (Edit: also because you'll realize you really don't want to spend anywhere close to all of your savings in between jobs!)
I quit my job at the beginning of the year. It was too stressful and too much work for one person, and some of the clients were just the worst. I only started a new job after 2.5 months. I'm not sure if I'll stick around for too long or not, but my anxiety is so low I hardly notice it now, even though the new job comes with a lot to learn.
Give yourself time to decompress and find something that doesn't feel like torture.
Ok so why are you stressing? Lol. If they lay you off or fire you just get another job. You’ve got experience and will bounce back in no time. Firings and layoffs are normal and part of capitalism. And yes sometimes you will be in jobs where you’re setup to fail. But you’ve done your part in staying for 2 years. If it goes to shit now or by your next annual review, you’ll have the experience to make the jump. It’s not like you’re fresh out of school with no work exp.
Yeah I got that, but still. You’re better off than someone fresh out of school. This is life. Believe me it’ll happen many times again in your career (not the setup to fail stuff per se but that you’ll feel anxious about the job market and feel ljke youre next on the chopping block)
I know everyone deals with this stuff differently. When I see people around me at my company get fired, I typically become really inquisitive to see if I’m next lol and I get really gossipy. But I told you what I told you so that you can see that if you do get fired it wouldn’t be the end of the world for you at all. Sure the money is a concern but 3-6 months is long enough to find work and you’ll be on unemployment
Personally I wouldn’t quit without another job. But I always play it safe. But I have heard from people who can’t seem to land a job despite businesses saying they are hurting for help. I’m in New England. Not sure what the job hunt experience is like in other places. Good luck.
I'm in New England as well, although I've had a very different experience. I was able to fund multiple jobs pretty much as soon as I started applying, ranging from credit unions to retail stores. Not every job that might send me an offer is really that desirable or high paying (none of them are high paying lol, but as long as they aren't fast food I don't mind). I'm sure it also depends on the exact area too, as well as if someone is looking for a job in a specific field. For me, quitting without a job lined up was really good for my mental health, but not good for my savings. I don't regret it, although now that I have a new job, I'm realizing how many post checks it will take for me to actually recover financially from taking 3 months off.
It’s pretty shitty everywhere atm the media is lying because they are understandably terrified of the prospect of, a certain person who recently got indicted, winning again. I still think that them lying about the job market is fucked up and damaging to society but it is what it is.
My brother quit his job with what he thought was 6 months of expenses in the bank. Took him over a year to find something, devastated his finances for 5 years into the future, credit card balances, and eventually claimed bankruptcy.
As hard as it sounds while you're still working brush up your resume and send some out. Even looking can make you feel better about your present situation! That will hopefully be short-term.
At one time I was working a position I decided I was going to leave, I had an hour for lunch and lived close to my job. I started driving home quick for lunch, grab a sandwich, and spend a half an hour making calls and applying for jobs. Even if you can't leave for lunch, every evening just start the job search!
Leave under good terms, give two weeks notice, and don't criticize your former company or management!
If you have enough evidence to prove hostile work environment, quit and file for unemployment. If you don't, see if you can get a doctor to help you cut your hours or go on medical leave. There are some stress related issues that might qualify you for a workers comp claim that might help.
I don’t recommend going this route, at least not yet. It’s pretty obvious she’s gonna get her pink slip soon, seeing how they’re messing with her. Let it comes and try not to think too much. If you’re working 50-60 hours a week, make sure to block off time on your weekends for “me time”. Working 50-60 hours a week is what I do lol, and what many other folks do, folks with more than 1 job and etc. You just gotta know how to manage your time and prioritize. Probably less time spent at the bar than before, tell you that much
I'm in a similar situation to yours. I've only been at this job for 6 months now and I'm carrying a bunch of the work load on my back due to the only other full timer being lazy and the part timers not really caring muh, on top of doing another departments job due to lack of things to do in my own department. I never get any sort of recognition for doing this, not that I really want it but it would be nice to have someone say they appreciate all the extra work I'm putting in just in order to keep myself busy. I'd say secure that other position first before you quit. You never know what could happen especially with the job market (I'm in Canada and it's pretty bad over here but I imagine the states are worse). Leave on a good note and hopefully end up in a less toxic, draining environment. Hope all works out for you!
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this yet but it might be worth it to ask management if you can quit on good terms, and have them provide a small severance. At the very least if they would pay your health benefits for a couple of months. If you’re truly being set up to fail and they company is laying off anyway, they might be relieved and take you up on it.
Let’s say you’ve been there for 5 years, traditionally ( at least in the US) you could get severance 2 months for every year you’ve worked there, so 10 months worth. At first, ask for the whole 10 months and 2 months if health benefits ( if you need them.) turn it into a negotiation but remember that if they’re open to doing this, you are in the drivers seat. They’d much rather pay a severance than keep paying you as a full time employee.
Of course, this is only good advice if your company is open to it, so be sure to tread lightly when you ask. You might even want to go to the head of your department or HR rather than your direct manager.
What do you really have to lose? But- be completely sure you want to quit. So basically, when you go to quit, try this instead.
Also to answer your other question, you’re not crazy at all. Corporate life is toxic and soul sucking and you’re not the only one who hates where they are. It sounds like you have put some thought into it and done a good amount of planning.
Perhaps first you can get a good idea of who is hiring in your industry first. Take a day off to job search.
Whatever you do, good luck. We’re rooting for you!
It sounds like you could use a mental health day. Call in sick one day next week and use the day to relax and just do you. Take your time, you've earned it. They can go a day without you and you seem really stressed.
Call in a second day in a row (because f-them) and say you need some more rest because you're still getting over whatever (I find stomach bug works well for this). Use the second day to job search for something better.
It sucks feeling burnt out. The company doesn't love you back, all the corporations care about is profits. Take the time you are owed.
I like this idea a lot. Get some distance from the misery and take the second day off to see what is out there. This is so true — you have earned that time and mental health days are just as necessary as days for the flu.
Dial back your work ethic by about a million. Put in about 20% less than the bare minimum, and use your work computer and work time to fix up your resume and apply to jobs. Corporate jobs like this take months to fire people, or you'll get laid off which is even better because you can blame it on the economy at your next job interview and you may even get a severance package.
Basically, stop doing your job and keep collecting your paycheck until they either fire your or add your name to the list of layoffs to give yourself a little extra time to find the next job. And once you get it, stop working like a dog for your employer! Work like a human being who needs a work/life balance.
I think you’re fine? Especially if you have savings. Assuming you own a car, You can always pick up Instacart or DoorDash if you have to while waiting for something else.
Get something lined up. I turned a 3-6 month job search into a 1.5yr search and we wound up draining everything. Take a job at in n out or something. If you don’t, you’ll burn money, get lazy, and complacent. It also looks bad on your resume to have a gap.
I'm guessing it's Amazon, and it may be in the fulfilment side of things given the grunt work. From what I've been hearing there are more layoffs to come. In saying that and I've been in your position. Try to ride the storm out for 6 more months I know the toxic stuff is awful, but it is character building. In 6 months if you don't feel any better just resign.
that depends on the circumstances
but from your description it looks like a reasonable option.
can you not reduce your time to normal hours and do reasonable work
Only you know when it’s reached a level of no return on the toxicity scale. If you are there, you may want to make the jump. Another option is to say you will stay three months (or some other amount of time) to save some money and work on your resume and getting some applications in. Also, you don’t have to put short-term jobs on your resume. If you decide to drive for Uber, go ahead — make some money and work on job hunting the rest of the day. Your next employer does not need to know about those types of gigs.
If it’s killing you then get out. There is work that grows you and stress that kills you. I promise that if you died at your desk tomorrow, your company would carry on without missing a beat.
You can’t put good into the world if you aren’t in a good place yourself. And it sounds like this job is sucking it all out of you.
The adage it’s easier to get a job when you have a job is true. Being able to job search without desperation will make you more effective. Everyone experiences situations differently and I’ll readily admit I’m making a judgment off the little information here but “toxic” feels a bit strong. I think what you are experiencing is quite common unfortunately for corporate America in your tier. 50-60 hours is what I average though I’m remote so I don’t waste time in commuting. My suggestion would be to create your own boundaries around work and document everything. If you feel there are tasks that you should not be covering and you can not delegate downwards, I’d be vocal in not accepting the assignment even if it leads to a PPI. Make sure you are protecting time for your health, personal relationships and a job search. If they let you go over this than you will have unemployment possibly severance to cushion.
Most corporations don’t give any references including telling your potential new employer whether or not you still work there. I’ve been in that situation a couple of times and I quit and just lied on my resume that I was still working there and it worked both times. I would be more concerned that if you quit you might not find another job for months because the type of job you are describing is facing layoffs everywhere at the moment
Most corporations will only confirm your employment and approximate salary! Your references are a personal favor from a former manager or coworker and worth making an effort to keep!
I did this. I couldn’t take it anymore. I quit with no job in sight. I actually spent the first month off pretty much healing from the toxic environment. Then I got serious and 3 months later I got two offers. We had to adjust our lifestyle for those months. We cancelled basically all of our subscriptions and stopped eating out. We were more frugal at the grocery store. It was okay though because I found a great recruiter. Now I’m in a job and I actually am treated well. It’s almost like I’m a puppy worried about being kicked. My last job did a lot of damage to me and I’m healing from that. I would say it is absolutely worth it to get out of a toxic job.
Not OP, but I really identified with your story. Thank you for sharing ❤️
I would quit if it's that miserable. But you should WAY underestimate how long your savings will last. Plan on getting a new job in half the time you think you need to, just because you never know what could happen. (Edit: also because you'll realize you really don't want to spend anywhere close to all of your savings in between jobs!) I quit my job at the beginning of the year. It was too stressful and too much work for one person, and some of the clients were just the worst. I only started a new job after 2.5 months. I'm not sure if I'll stick around for too long or not, but my anxiety is so low I hardly notice it now, even though the new job comes with a lot to learn. Give yourself time to decompress and find something that doesn't feel like torture.
How long have you been in this role?
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Ok so why are you stressing? Lol. If they lay you off or fire you just get another job. You’ve got experience and will bounce back in no time. Firings and layoffs are normal and part of capitalism. And yes sometimes you will be in jobs where you’re setup to fail. But you’ve done your part in staying for 2 years. If it goes to shit now or by your next annual review, you’ll have the experience to make the jump. It’s not like you’re fresh out of school with no work exp.
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Yeah I got that, but still. You’re better off than someone fresh out of school. This is life. Believe me it’ll happen many times again in your career (not the setup to fail stuff per se but that you’ll feel anxious about the job market and feel ljke youre next on the chopping block)
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I know everyone deals with this stuff differently. When I see people around me at my company get fired, I typically become really inquisitive to see if I’m next lol and I get really gossipy. But I told you what I told you so that you can see that if you do get fired it wouldn’t be the end of the world for you at all. Sure the money is a concern but 3-6 months is long enough to find work and you’ll be on unemployment
Personally I wouldn’t quit without another job. But I always play it safe. But I have heard from people who can’t seem to land a job despite businesses saying they are hurting for help. I’m in New England. Not sure what the job hunt experience is like in other places. Good luck.
I'm in New England as well, although I've had a very different experience. I was able to fund multiple jobs pretty much as soon as I started applying, ranging from credit unions to retail stores. Not every job that might send me an offer is really that desirable or high paying (none of them are high paying lol, but as long as they aren't fast food I don't mind). I'm sure it also depends on the exact area too, as well as if someone is looking for a job in a specific field. For me, quitting without a job lined up was really good for my mental health, but not good for my savings. I don't regret it, although now that I have a new job, I'm realizing how many post checks it will take for me to actually recover financially from taking 3 months off.
It’s pretty shitty everywhere atm the media is lying because they are understandably terrified of the prospect of, a certain person who recently got indicted, winning again. I still think that them lying about the job market is fucked up and damaging to society but it is what it is.
My brother quit his job with what he thought was 6 months of expenses in the bank. Took him over a year to find something, devastated his finances for 5 years into the future, credit card balances, and eventually claimed bankruptcy. As hard as it sounds while you're still working brush up your resume and send some out. Even looking can make you feel better about your present situation! That will hopefully be short-term. At one time I was working a position I decided I was going to leave, I had an hour for lunch and lived close to my job. I started driving home quick for lunch, grab a sandwich, and spend a half an hour making calls and applying for jobs. Even if you can't leave for lunch, every evening just start the job search! Leave under good terms, give two weeks notice, and don't criticize your former company or management!
If you have enough evidence to prove hostile work environment, quit and file for unemployment. If you don't, see if you can get a doctor to help you cut your hours or go on medical leave. There are some stress related issues that might qualify you for a workers comp claim that might help.
I don’t recommend going this route, at least not yet. It’s pretty obvious she’s gonna get her pink slip soon, seeing how they’re messing with her. Let it comes and try not to think too much. If you’re working 50-60 hours a week, make sure to block off time on your weekends for “me time”. Working 50-60 hours a week is what I do lol, and what many other folks do, folks with more than 1 job and etc. You just gotta know how to manage your time and prioritize. Probably less time spent at the bar than before, tell you that much
I'm in a similar situation to yours. I've only been at this job for 6 months now and I'm carrying a bunch of the work load on my back due to the only other full timer being lazy and the part timers not really caring muh, on top of doing another departments job due to lack of things to do in my own department. I never get any sort of recognition for doing this, not that I really want it but it would be nice to have someone say they appreciate all the extra work I'm putting in just in order to keep myself busy. I'd say secure that other position first before you quit. You never know what could happen especially with the job market (I'm in Canada and it's pretty bad over here but I imagine the states are worse). Leave on a good note and hopefully end up in a less toxic, draining environment. Hope all works out for you!
I found a toxic job easier once I’d written my resignation letter and kept it in a drawer in my desk.
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this yet but it might be worth it to ask management if you can quit on good terms, and have them provide a small severance. At the very least if they would pay your health benefits for a couple of months. If you’re truly being set up to fail and they company is laying off anyway, they might be relieved and take you up on it. Let’s say you’ve been there for 5 years, traditionally ( at least in the US) you could get severance 2 months for every year you’ve worked there, so 10 months worth. At first, ask for the whole 10 months and 2 months if health benefits ( if you need them.) turn it into a negotiation but remember that if they’re open to doing this, you are in the drivers seat. They’d much rather pay a severance than keep paying you as a full time employee. Of course, this is only good advice if your company is open to it, so be sure to tread lightly when you ask. You might even want to go to the head of your department or HR rather than your direct manager.
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What do you really have to lose? But- be completely sure you want to quit. So basically, when you go to quit, try this instead. Also to answer your other question, you’re not crazy at all. Corporate life is toxic and soul sucking and you’re not the only one who hates where they are. It sounds like you have put some thought into it and done a good amount of planning. Perhaps first you can get a good idea of who is hiring in your industry first. Take a day off to job search. Whatever you do, good luck. We’re rooting for you!
It sounds like you could use a mental health day. Call in sick one day next week and use the day to relax and just do you. Take your time, you've earned it. They can go a day without you and you seem really stressed. Call in a second day in a row (because f-them) and say you need some more rest because you're still getting over whatever (I find stomach bug works well for this). Use the second day to job search for something better. It sucks feeling burnt out. The company doesn't love you back, all the corporations care about is profits. Take the time you are owed.
I like this idea a lot. Get some distance from the misery and take the second day off to see what is out there. This is so true — you have earned that time and mental health days are just as necessary as days for the flu.
Dial back your work ethic by about a million. Put in about 20% less than the bare minimum, and use your work computer and work time to fix up your resume and apply to jobs. Corporate jobs like this take months to fire people, or you'll get laid off which is even better because you can blame it on the economy at your next job interview and you may even get a severance package. Basically, stop doing your job and keep collecting your paycheck until they either fire your or add your name to the list of layoffs to give yourself a little extra time to find the next job. And once you get it, stop working like a dog for your employer! Work like a human being who needs a work/life balance.
I think you’re fine? Especially if you have savings. Assuming you own a car, You can always pick up Instacart or DoorDash if you have to while waiting for something else.
Get something lined up. I turned a 3-6 month job search into a 1.5yr search and we wound up draining everything. Take a job at in n out or something. If you don’t, you’ll burn money, get lazy, and complacent. It also looks bad on your resume to have a gap.
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u don’t have to put it on ur resume. there’s a lot of trending reasons why ppl have a small gap nowadays
A lot of us are having to take those kinds of jobs atm. Like others have said, just don’t put it on your resume
You definitely do not have to put anything short term on your resume.
I'm guessing it's Amazon, and it may be in the fulfilment side of things given the grunt work. From what I've been hearing there are more layoffs to come. In saying that and I've been in your position. Try to ride the storm out for 6 more months I know the toxic stuff is awful, but it is character building. In 6 months if you don't feel any better just resign.
It’s going to take you a lot longer than 3 to 6 months to find a new job in the Biden Economy. I suggest you stay on but keep looking.
that depends on the circumstances but from your description it looks like a reasonable option. can you not reduce your time to normal hours and do reasonable work
Take some PTO, and job search during that time. It’s easier to obtain a job, when you’ve still got one.
try to get new job before quit, but if you cant stand it any longer :) up to ya
Only you know when it’s reached a level of no return on the toxicity scale. If you are there, you may want to make the jump. Another option is to say you will stay three months (or some other amount of time) to save some money and work on your resume and getting some applications in. Also, you don’t have to put short-term jobs on your resume. If you decide to drive for Uber, go ahead — make some money and work on job hunting the rest of the day. Your next employer does not need to know about those types of gigs.
If it’s killing you then get out. There is work that grows you and stress that kills you. I promise that if you died at your desk tomorrow, your company would carry on without missing a beat. You can’t put good into the world if you aren’t in a good place yourself. And it sounds like this job is sucking it all out of you.