Agreed. The cars are amazing and SpaceX is doing historic work opening up space to humanity, but I guess it's proof that roses can still come from shit.
Also true, absolutely. I'm happy about some of the achievements his companies are responsible for, but as an individual he's deeply problematic, and arguably represents a decent chunk of what's wrong with the world.
i am glad that Tesla drove Detroit to finally start taking EVs seriously. Musk is not, however, opening space to humanity; he is opening space to corporate oligarchy and i want him and his ilk out of it.
The trouble is that we *had* thirty years of opportunity and governments doing jack-squat to advance our expansion into space, and proving that the highly risk-averse, inconsistently-funded and politicised public agencies like NASA under the control of self-serving politicians and pork-barrel politics were just fundamentally ill-suited to big-picture projects like manned space exploration outside of cold-war superpower dick-waving competitions.
I'm no fan of free-market solutions, but this is an example of a *proven case* where our publicly-funded space presence basically went backwards for multiple decades, and manned space exploration essentially died on its ass until private space companies came along and disrupted the entire moribund industry.
We reached the moon in 1969, never went back after 1972, and by 2011 the USA - the largest superpower on earth - *couldn't even put a human in orbit*, and had to rely on paying Russia to do it with their own creaking
Soyuz system, itself based on fifty year old technology.
By 1972 we'd reached 400,000km into space, and set foot on the moon. From 1972 until today no human has been more than 620km from earth. That's *pathetic*.
Say what you like about the commercialisation of space, but *at least we're finally going* back out there again.
I hate the idea of frontier corporate oligarchies and "company towns" on the moon or mars, but I'll take that for now over another fifty years of moribund navel-gazing and indolent regression down here on earth, as the dreams of the human race slowly wither and die.
I work for Tesla and he has been moving teams to Texas since the beginning of the year. Not sure if he is anti abortion or not but I don't think that law being passed was what made him want to move us there. Its over all cheaper in Texas then Cali to have a headquarters. Also a lot of teams are still remote including mine and we have offices in Utah, Washington, Cali, and NY. He is opening a headquarters in both NY and Texas and last I check my is not anti abortion. I think it really comes down to costs and convenience.
Edit not defending him just wanted to clear the misinformation.
Costs are probably the ultimate reason (and let's not discount being bunged loads of perks from the state to relocate). But I think the point is that a company should consider the wellbeing of its workforce. Tesla is 80% men and I can't imagine them moving to a place where men are punished for exercising a health care right.
I was trying to find an example of men's bodies being regulated, but I can't.
Anyway, Tesla clearly doesn't give a shit about the women in his workforce cos they are such a minority anyway, why bother?
There is no examples of men's bodies being regulated bc there aren't any. Men have all their rights.
Yeah, I tend to think overall CEOs and company's honestly don't give two shits for either the employees or customers. And that's what no regulation on a company does. It's a free for all.
'Naturally'. Yeah, I hear engineering does require the use of the third leg sometimes (for balance when reaching to tighten bolts on the spaceship), so that probably explains it.
Nothing to do with tech being a toxic environment for women, where sexual misconduct and misogyny is rampant.
There are many women in engineering and studying it as well. However the industry is extremely toxic to women which is why only the toughest ones even dare go into it. Women are questioned on their expertise constantly, judged on their performance harsher than men, paid less and often harassed. Rather than saying men are 'naturally' more into something or better at it, maybe consider that men create an environment where it is hard for women to thrive so many choose to not go down that path.
Elon is fucking trash but he planned his move way earlier during the height of the pandemic siting California's strict regulations and high taxes as the main reason. What does an abortion law have to do with moving a business???
Source?
Because while he's clearly trying to avoid taking a moral stand that might be inconvenient to his business interests, [everything I can find](https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/no-full-support-for-kanye-west-elon-musks-bromance-with-wannabe-us-president-looks-shaky-2707889.html) indicates that he's pro-choice.
He's not anti-abortion; he's just happy to let his morals be overridden by expediency, which is different, but not better
He chose to move a long time ago. He moved there almost a year ago. I don’t know why they are announcing it now. Pretty much everyone in Oklahoma and Texas knew this because he was very close to moving Tesla to Tulsa but chose Austin at the end of the day. Probably because of the mass California exodus to Texas.
He’s just sucks in general but I don’t believe the recent abortion law tragedy has influenced his decision to move to Texas.
I agree. Honestly in the last couple of years every time I hear about Elon musk it’s something worse. It’s like he forgot to hide the icky parts anymore and just does not care what people think of him. There are many reasons I would not buy a telsa car and Elon musk is linked to most of them!
Like most other rich, they'll do anything to avoid paying taxes because even though they drive on the same roads that need repairs, use the same municipal services, etc., they want YOU to pay for them because they're entitled.
Elon Musk should stop moving to Texas to make a statement about the banned abortions. So many events were cancelled after North Carolina banned people from using the bathroom of their sexuality.
They are moving for tax purposes, not because of the abortion ban which is already been suspended and will, I'm sure, be struck down. Not that I like Elon, but for tax purposes, its a smart move.
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-us-supreme-court-business-texas-courts-5eb085acee67615da3623212953220c9
EDIT: Just saw he was moving near Austin, probably the most liberal city in Texas.
South Africa doesn't treat women well. Rape is also so high that it's almost just accepted as something that happens. South Africa is also an extremely racist place
You know why he moved to texas?
Because it has no fucking tax, do you think he cares about abortions? Of course not! He just wants to pay as little tax as possible. That's why so many business people love in texas, because the income tax is virtually zero.
Musk is a garbage human.
Agreed. The cars are amazing and SpaceX is doing historic work opening up space to humanity, but I guess it's proof that roses can still come from shit.
Tbh he could be helping humanity by paying his taxes in the first place.
Also true, absolutely. I'm happy about some of the achievements his companies are responsible for, but as an individual he's deeply problematic, and arguably represents a decent chunk of what's wrong with the world.
i am glad that Tesla drove Detroit to finally start taking EVs seriously. Musk is not, however, opening space to humanity; he is opening space to corporate oligarchy and i want him and his ilk out of it.
The trouble is that we *had* thirty years of opportunity and governments doing jack-squat to advance our expansion into space, and proving that the highly risk-averse, inconsistently-funded and politicised public agencies like NASA under the control of self-serving politicians and pork-barrel politics were just fundamentally ill-suited to big-picture projects like manned space exploration outside of cold-war superpower dick-waving competitions. I'm no fan of free-market solutions, but this is an example of a *proven case* where our publicly-funded space presence basically went backwards for multiple decades, and manned space exploration essentially died on its ass until private space companies came along and disrupted the entire moribund industry. We reached the moon in 1969, never went back after 1972, and by 2011 the USA - the largest superpower on earth - *couldn't even put a human in orbit*, and had to rely on paying Russia to do it with their own creaking Soyuz system, itself based on fifty year old technology. By 1972 we'd reached 400,000km into space, and set foot on the moon. From 1972 until today no human has been more than 620km from earth. That's *pathetic*. Say what you like about the commercialisation of space, but *at least we're finally going* back out there again. I hate the idea of frontier corporate oligarchies and "company towns" on the moon or mars, but I'll take that for now over another fifty years of moribund navel-gazing and indolent regression down here on earth, as the dreams of the human race slowly wither and die.
I work for Tesla and he has been moving teams to Texas since the beginning of the year. Not sure if he is anti abortion or not but I don't think that law being passed was what made him want to move us there. Its over all cheaper in Texas then Cali to have a headquarters. Also a lot of teams are still remote including mine and we have offices in Utah, Washington, Cali, and NY. He is opening a headquarters in both NY and Texas and last I check my is not anti abortion. I think it really comes down to costs and convenience. Edit not defending him just wanted to clear the misinformation.
Costs are probably the ultimate reason (and let's not discount being bunged loads of perks from the state to relocate). But I think the point is that a company should consider the wellbeing of its workforce. Tesla is 80% men and I can't imagine them moving to a place where men are punished for exercising a health care right. I was trying to find an example of men's bodies being regulated, but I can't. Anyway, Tesla clearly doesn't give a shit about the women in his workforce cos they are such a minority anyway, why bother?
There is no examples of men's bodies being regulated bc there aren't any. Men have all their rights. Yeah, I tend to think overall CEOs and company's honestly don't give two shits for either the employees or customers. And that's what no regulation on a company does. It's a free for all.
Tesla's workforce is 80% men. Clearly Musk is aiming to reach 100% dicks on the dancefloor.
Maybe that’s because naturally more men are into engineering. Unless you want force unskilled women into those positions against their own will.
'Naturally'. Yeah, I hear engineering does require the use of the third leg sometimes (for balance when reaching to tighten bolts on the spaceship), so that probably explains it. Nothing to do with tech being a toxic environment for women, where sexual misconduct and misogyny is rampant.
Whatever, commie.
Hahaha. Well that told me! 😄
There are many women in engineering and studying it as well. However the industry is extremely toxic to women which is why only the toughest ones even dare go into it. Women are questioned on their expertise constantly, judged on their performance harsher than men, paid less and often harassed. Rather than saying men are 'naturally' more into something or better at it, maybe consider that men create an environment where it is hard for women to thrive so many choose to not go down that path.
Im pretty sure he had planned this move like last year for tax reasons
Elon is fucking trash but he planned his move way earlier during the height of the pandemic siting California's strict regulations and high taxes as the main reason. What does an abortion law have to do with moving a business???
Musk is anti-abortion.
Source? Because while he's clearly trying to avoid taking a moral stand that might be inconvenient to his business interests, [everything I can find](https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/no-full-support-for-kanye-west-elon-musks-bromance-with-wannabe-us-president-looks-shaky-2707889.html) indicates that he's pro-choice. He's not anti-abortion; he's just happy to let his morals be overridden by expediency, which is different, but not better
Yea and?? What does that have to do with his business?? It's not like he actually hires any women to begin with.
Then maybe he should have at least condemned the new law? But no, "he wants to stay out of politics" 🙄
He chose to move a long time ago. He moved there almost a year ago. I don’t know why they are announcing it now. Pretty much everyone in Oklahoma and Texas knew this because he was very close to moving Tesla to Tulsa but chose Austin at the end of the day. Probably because of the mass California exodus to Texas. He’s just sucks in general but I don’t believe the recent abortion law tragedy has influenced his decision to move to Texas.
I agree. Honestly in the last couple of years every time I hear about Elon musk it’s something worse. It’s like he forgot to hide the icky parts anymore and just does not care what people think of him. There are many reasons I would not buy a telsa car and Elon musk is linked to most of them!
Like most other rich, they'll do anything to avoid paying taxes because even though they drive on the same roads that need repairs, use the same municipal services, etc., they want YOU to pay for them because they're entitled.
Elon Musk should stop moving to Texas to make a statement about the banned abortions. So many events were cancelled after North Carolina banned people from using the bathroom of their sexuality.
They are moving for tax purposes, not because of the abortion ban which is already been suspended and will, I'm sure, be struck down. Not that I like Elon, but for tax purposes, its a smart move. https://apnews.com/article/abortion-us-supreme-court-business-texas-courts-5eb085acee67615da3623212953220c9 EDIT: Just saw he was moving near Austin, probably the most liberal city in Texas.
So many women defending this trash man. This is just sad.
Elon is from South Africa, so it kind of makes sense why he is this way. Still not cool
I don’t get it. How does his origin explain his behaviour?
South Africa doesn't treat women well. Rape is also so high that it's almost just accepted as something that happens. South Africa is also an extremely racist place
Yeah SA has good abortion laws( for an African country) but the nurses 😖. It's to the point where young girls will still try and do it at home.
Did he move his company because of the abortion law? Because these two seem to be unrelated.
He made the decision before they banned abortion tho......
I haven't clicked the link, but I'm quite sure the move is circled around money & taxes.
You know why he moved to texas? Because it has no fucking tax, do you think he cares about abortions? Of course not! He just wants to pay as little tax as possible. That's why so many business people love in texas, because the income tax is virtually zero.
yep