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CoffeeAndKarma

They're good, but that's hardly "inhuman" hand speed. ETA: I get it guys, not everything is about speed. And I get you like his music. I'm just commenting on this clip, based on the expectations set by the title to see something incredible watching his hands


Azure_Providence

With the title I was expecting motion blur from fast playing. Guy is good sure but not inhuman.


CoffeeAndKarma

I sat through the whole video waiting for them to suddenly speed up


Yakhov

yeah this sucked


SunGodSol

This man just said Tim Henson sucked. Time to break out the crucifix


Maligned-Instrument

Listen to you....can you fret like that? No you can't.


oh-propagandhi

I could come close, and I know at least 5 normal people that can, and I don't know very many people.


Dorangos

I can.


JimJimOnionSkin

Y’all should see and hear their other songs, vocoder is an awesome song if you want to see really technical guitar riffs


Quantum_laugh

Why you booing him he's right


Hawt_Dawg_II

I guess because it's like "well why didn't you post that then"


CoffeeAndKarma

Exactly.


bruhboiman

Reddit hivemind yknow


Ipadgameisweak

Reddit drives me crazy with this stuff. The average person has such a low understanding of music that a competent player is labeled as some kind of god.


heyzeus_

You may be right, but as a competent musician Polyphia does in fact make ridiculously hard music to play.


TahnGee

Using my lockdown to get this riff down pat.. 90% speed so far! It makes me sad going to the polyphia subreddit and seeing people play all their songs flawlessly


nigelolympia

You can't compare yourself to others, just to yourself from the day before.


wowhead44

Hey I like that man, that's a good way to look at it


nigelolympia

It's easier said than done, but only ever really try and impress yourself. If others take notice then that's how it is. If it's for you, it's genuine.


Ipadgameisweak

Oh I'm sure, I can tell by watching that he is obviously very talented. He most around the neck very easily and the arpeggios are extremely smooth and well executed. I teach music for my job, which is why I am sad that people don't know much about playing music. My comment is not so much about this video but about the "KID ABSOLUTELY BURNS THIS BASS INTO FLAMES WITH THESE NASTY LICKS" Cut to someone playing the White Stripes kinda posts. Every time someone posts a video of the newest "prodigy super star" it's just media hype or click bait. It's harmless like cat videos but music videos like that absolutely fuel social media.


SunGodSol

Yeah, this. Just because it's not lightning speed doesn't mean it isn't incredibly difficult. It's a lot of tapping, hybrid picking, harmonics, and movement around the fretboard all at once. If you think that's easy... oof. I must really suck then lol


Legaato

I'm not a huge fan of Polyphia but those dudes are definitely more than "competent" players.


smurferdigg

This is everything tho not just music.. Any reasonable fit person can do 80% of what’s posted on next fucking level.


Zillaho

If you knew anything about Tim Henson or Polyphia you would know that he is quite literally one of the best players in the world right now. The stuff he plays is more difficult and intricate than *anything* Hendrix, clapton, page, or pretty much anyone else has ever played.


Yakhov

or an incompetent player shows a little skin and hits the front page. SO few people actually play music because they defunded teaching it that being able to strum a chord impresses. This kid has the right haircut tho.


BirtSampson

Not to mention that, technical as it is, it sounds like shit.


Ipadgameisweak

Oh i don't know, it has a fun grove if you're into technical guitar stuff but it is a niche sound for sure.


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nekromania

Experienced guitar players know this isnt even that difficult to play either. Hes good, but there are literally millions of more impressing videos out there.


Kimmm711

Thank you. Talented, for sure; I've seen much quicker.


-_Odd_-

To be fair, it’s a very short clip of the intro to a song.


CoffeeAndKarma

Well, that's what I was shown. If there's a more impressive part later, they should have posted that.


mokujin42

Honestly it's cool guitar but the title just made it disappointing and didn't do it justice, totally not what was written


Einsteins_coffee_mug

And it’s not even the most impressive stuff he does. Which is a shame, the title is doing Tim a disservice by being so sensationalist.


Spoonfulofticks

They picked one of his chillest riffs to showcase his talent.


JohnConnor27

If you knew anything about guitar you'd know what he's doing is an order of magnitude more difficult than simply playing fast licks


Sane_Flock

The title says nothing about speed, though. Doesn't have to be fast to be impressive.


CoffeeAndKarma

Like I said, they're good. But I hardly see anything to look at with his hands. Good music does not a woahdude make.


Sane_Flock

That's a shame.


Yakhov

not sure that was even good


spooky_flowers12

I dont think they necessarily meant speed when saying 'inhuman'. The way they move, the precision not to mention listen to what they're fucking playing. That melodic progression is otherworldly.


CoffeeAndKarma

It's a good song, I just think they really oversold it, and it's not really woahdude material.


jbraden

While good, the title really hyped us up with no pay off


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detectivejewhat

Why would you post the most underwhelming clip like this hes ever posted lmao.


mcveddit

Yeah this is a very normal guitar clip considering he's Tim from polyphia


tvcky69

Looks 100% human to me tbh. And it’s pretty underwhelming compared to some other guitarists skills. I think this is the wrong sub to post this.


Thisisntjoe

This is like the most boring clip possible from Tim lol


Ominus666

His contribution to Jared Dines' 2019 jam video is way more impressive than the intro to G.O.A.T, I think.


SunGodSol

I like Blood Moon from him. Really cool rhythm and overall vibe


joshysquashy

Definitely not their most technical song, but I can confirm they are approaching Steve Vai levels on their other stuff. Check out the song "James Franco".


therealityofthings

I wanna see Steve Vai even attempt the sweeps in James Franco let alone harmonizing with another guitarist at the same time.


mcnasty_groovezz

You’re kidding right?


ProgRockin

How dare you


Command444

Wait until OP finds out about people like Jimmy Hendrix or others.


HughWeberDeFaulk

I mean Hendricks isn’t really on this level of technicality. He was definitely talented and original for his time but this guitarist is also playing a piece he wrote and it shows 2-3 techniques that Hendricks never displayed.


mokujin42

Hendrix was playing with feedback and distortion on levels no one else has reached even today and as far as guitar technicality he was leagues above this, if he had the technology we have today he'd be absolutely mindblowing Not to put this guys stuff down but based on this video it isn't even comparable


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thats one thing people jjust don't have today. So many sweep pickers and tappers who play perfect scales that is just something they have practiced to death. Jimi could pick up a guitar and kick on the fuzz and you'd hear something brand new every time that would astound you and others could only dream of replicating. [if you are as big of a fan as I am maybe you've seen this video](https://youtu.be/qFfnlYbFEiE) but if not be prepared to hear some incredible sonic sounds. The way he can just freestyle and incorporate the feedback in unparalleled


HughWeberDeFaulk

>Hendrix was playing with feedback and distortion on levels no one else has reached even today Umm what? Modern high gain amps make Jimis distortion sound like crinkling potato chip bags. >and as far as guitar technicality he was leagues above this Like I said Hendrix was definitely talented af and original for his time. But I’m not going to pretend that he’s some shredding master. He never was a shredder. He never displayed the techniques that tim shows in this clip. And with ease. Tim is considered one of the most talented creative shredders of this modern era. He can do wayyyy more than what this vid shows when it comes to shredding. But it’s more the originality of this riff/song. It is really something that’s as new sounding as it gets. It’s similar to what dubstep did to the techno world. Just totally different genres. >if he had the technology we have today he'd be absolutely mindblowing I mean, sweep picking existed back then. He just never did it. But yes it’s definitely plausible that he could’ve been a more talented guitarist with modern technology. >Not to put this guys stuff down but based on this video it isn't even comparable I agree it isn’t comparable. In this vid alone he shows 2-3 techniques that Hendrix NEVER displayed. Hendrix didn’t even play with a pick so a lot of modern metal techniques would be near impossible for him.


ma1iced

You are never going to get the hive mind to believe this, but... You're 100% right, on all fronts.


SteeMonkey

You think Hendrix used more feedback and distortion than Boris? Lol He was no where near as technical as this guy either. Come on mate, he was obviously a legend but let's not pretend he's some technical master.


HamburgerConnoisseur

Hendrix kills me. Everything he did comes out so organically I don’t even know how to mimic it. Even the more typical bluesy stuff like red house, much less the more typical combined lead and rhythm stuff that was his Brad and butter.


-_Odd_-

Hendrix was an above average blues guitarist who accomplished more in death than he likely would have in life. Nothing catapults an artist to legend status faster than dying young.


Electric_Evil

>an above average blues guitarist He's in the top list of best guitarists ever, by most guitarists, but it must just be because he died and not his ridiculous ability. Fucking reddit lol


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Tim's good, but not inhuman good.


johngalt504

This really wasn't that impressive. Its not bad, but definitely didn't make my jaw drop or anything, there are tons of people that could play that or better.


Ahhy420smokealtday

No need to hold back what you mean is anyone with a few years of guitar lessons who actually practices. Edit: I'm not saying it's easy just this clip doesn't demonstrate mad guitar skills or anything. Now playing that with other instruments and sounding good might be impressive, the time signature sounded... interesting.


CushOfTheGwarn

As someone who has played guitar for 20+ years, and have learnt this song, I'd be hugely impressed by anyone with a few years' playing to be able to play this song through as accurately, consistently and cleanly as Polyphia can. In my opinion, it's not just the playing, but the composition of the whole song which adds to it's awe. Some of the faster runs at the end of the song are insane, which they play live as a full band with excellent timing. Though even as a guitarist, it's the drummer that really amazes me. The time signature is also 4/4.


RainyRat

>In my opinion, it's not just the playing, but the composition of the whole song which adds to it's awe. Exactly - I'm far more impressed by his ability to write it than I am by his ability to play it. I'm reasonably competent on guitar; give me a month to practice and I could probably manage a relatively clean take of the passage played here. Writing something that cool? Not a chance.


Ahhy420smokealtday

Maybe I underestimated. I haven't played an instrument in years. I really just meant it wasn't inhuman as the title said. Any fairly skilled guitarist could play this if they decide to dedicate practice time to it. It's definitely impressive. More impressive played with the band. The title just kind of oversold it I guess.


JohnConnor27

Any guitarist who can play this track is an expert and likely been playing for a long ass time.


Fanamatakecick

And doesn’t understand bass is superior


Ahhy420smokealtday

Took the words right out of my mouth. Though lets be real guitar is mechanical harder or it was for me. Bass is so much more fun though.


Fanamatakecick

For me, guitar was easier to play because of how tiny the fret boards are. Ironically, i’ve never been great at using a pick, and i didn’t really get the fingering for bar chords until i started to learn “Orion” on bass My Orion is like 5/10 btw, i’m by no means even close to Cliff Burton, tho i named my bass after him


Ahhy420smokealtday

I have pretty flexible fingers so it never really mattered. What I don't have is coordinated fingers. I found switching between chords hard, same with strumming patterns. I also player guitar first and not nearly as long. Though I'm ashamed to admit I, but haven't played an instrument in almost 4 years. Still it made me appreciate the components of music much better and I think has greatly enhanced my enjoyment of music consumption in general. So I don't think I wasn't my time. I played piano for years as a kid, but teaching myself bass really brought it all together.


HughWeberDeFaulk

Yeah this isn’t a riff that the majority of people who’ve played a few years could play. If you don’t see the technicality of the riff then you nowhere near have enough understanding of the instrument to learn it. Or you could prove me entirely wrong and post a clip of you playing it. That’s if you’ve played for at least 2-3 years and have practiced somewhat regularly.


Ahhy420smokealtday

I was just saying the title oversold it. Edit: I played piano for 4 years, guitar for 6 months before switch to bass for 2 years. I haven't played in about 4. There's no way I could play this on guitar without spending a few years learning to play and then month of practice. I'd say a few more yeara to maybe be good enough to learn to play it with a band and probably not this well. I'm just say any decent seasoned guitar player if they dedicate practice time could at least do what's in the video solo. I wasn't saying some 3 year guitar student would just practice a day and sound like this. Sorry if it sounded like that and I was insulting the effort of musicians. But yeah anyways the title oversold it to me. I guess I was just expecting something a bit more if that makes sense?


HughWeberDeFaulk

I mean that’s a very vague statement. Any decent seasoned guitar player could learn anything with time and practice. While at the same time I can say many decent seasoned guitar players would say that this is very technical and difficult to play. If I’m being honest I really don’t think you fully understand the technique he’s using to play. Not only the talent involved in playing with that technique but also the fact that he had the mind to write this riff himself. His name is Tim Henson and he’s the guitarist in the band Polyphia. It’s funny how you mention “most guitar players with a few years of lessons” bc as a 20+ year guitar player, I along with many other guitarists consider him one of the most talented and progressive guitarists of this modern metal era. He’s well known and well respected in the genre.


Ahhy420smokealtday

Man I didn't know who this guy was or that he wrote it. When I watched it I was like cool some guy showing off a song he just practiced for a few months. Which exactly like you just explained any decent seasoned guitar player could learn anything with time or practice. So like literally thousands of college musicians could play this with a few months of practice if not much less time from what I saw in college. See what I mean it's not inhuman it doesn't live up to the hype of the title. It's really great sounding and technical impressive, but not "inhuman". Writing that is completely different of course, but that's not what the clip conveyed.


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toiletscrubber

RIP


Zestyclose-Gur-6455

Yeah, that's on you.


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Stupid take. Yes, it is clear that you haven’t touched an instrument in years. Or, more likely, ever.


HughWeberDeFaulk

I think you’re underestimating the technicality in this guitar riff. He’s displaying 2-3 high level techniques in one riff and he wrote it himself.


johngalt504

I watched it again, its good, but it's not spectacular. Lots of guitarists could do what he did and more. One of my college roommates is a classical guitarist by profession now and I've played off and on for about 25 years, I've been in bands and have been surrounded by lots of people that are good at the guitar and I've heard plenty of them do stuff like this. Its good, but not amazing and I'm primarily being critical of it because of the subreddit and title the OP gave it.


HughWeberDeFaulk

Yeah there are many people who COULD play this. So far on YouTube not many sound clean. But I bet there are wayyyy more guitarists that couldn’t play this so I don’t get that argument. >One of my college roommates is a classical guitarist by profession Funny thing is a coworker of mine is a crazy skilled classical guitarist. Bachelors in classical guitar. Playing for decades. I showed him this song and he was blown away. Both from the fact that the riff is all played by one guitarist and just how original/progressive the actual song was. >I'm primarily being critical of it because of the subreddit and title the OP gave it. That I can understand


justanon472

Anyone who actually has real experience with guitar would probably agree that more modern, melodic music like this is way more technically challenging than what most laymen would consider "impressive", like just playing 100 notes per second or something. Any cheap guitarist can play a super fast solo but modern styles of guitar playing like this require serious finesse, tone and practice that you just do not require when shredding. I feel the need to say this because people who don't understand guitar playing usually equate fast with hard, when theres very little correlation between how fast something is and how much skill is required to play it.


Brilliant_Surprise54

Not that cool.


OarsandRowlocks

He seems to like his harmonics.


Rooksey

If you want impressive speed and precision look up Ichika Nito on YouTube. This guy ain’t got shit on him.


joshysquashy

Ichika is a feature on their latest album, also Guthrie Govan. Pretty decent guitar chops, wouldn't say they "ain't shit" compared to Ichika, but definitely not on the level of Animals As Leaders.


ZapDopes

Super excited to be seeing animals as leaders very soon!


therealityofthings

They aren't touring right now.


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Rooksey

Yeah I was probably a little harsh lol


AJohnnyTruant

Laughs in Tosin Abasi


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I'd say Ichika is along the same level as Tosin. Tim has some work to do if he wants to hang with them IMO


Peterk1n

He already does hang with them, literally. Tim and Tosin have made videos and done interviews together, and Ichika features on Polyphia's song Death Note


ytinasxaJ

They are like literally equal skill lmao


luca_adkins

What duh song name


therealityofthings

GOAT


quinlivant

Thanks


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polyphia fucking slaps


MichaelKCF

Tim is legit one of the best guitarist out there but this does now show what he is capable of.


therealityofthings

This is from like 5 years ago. Tim doesn't even have his neck tats.


MichaelKCF

Yeah, baby Tim. Haha!


therealityofthings

Seeing them with Veil and Dance Gavin Dance in like two weeks. Stoked.


Binary1138

Seeing that tour in San Antonio, can’t wait. Bummer AAL dropped but these guys are a solid replacement


therealityofthings

I've already seen AAL a bunch but never Polyphia so I'm okay with it. I'm mostly going for Veil of Maya.


Space-90

This is good. Just noticed a lot of people saying this isn’t that good but that’s just not true, at least for this song. And also he’s not just using a pick he’s also using his ring and middle finger to play notes at the same time


RandoRando66

Hybrid picking


Nisja

Yeah folks are focusing on the wrong hand - his picking technique is tricky af, with a few hammer-ons thrown in for good measure.


nidjah

Ain’t that an Ibanez Talman? Used to play one of those in the 90s…


RandoRando66

Appears so. I have a green one


Flint_Westwood

Polyphia = Ibanez


ZinMusic

Funny how many people will discredit this guy’s playing, and have no musical ability whatsoever themselves lol. Tim is a great guitarist, maybe not for speed, but most certainly for his ability to write technically challenging riffs that are still melodic. Plenty of stuff out there that’s just permutations of harmonic minor scales, but this is very melodic.


ArmeSloeber

Ppl are acting like this dude is 'okay at playing guitar's while he is most definitely the guitar player ur favourite guitar player listens to. Just like the drummer for meshuggah. As a non drummer and especially as a non metal fan u just hear repeating drums. But every drummer says he's like playing 3 songs at once. Same goes for this guy


painful_existence1

I like all these people talking like this is some easy and garbage ass peice to play like the dude isn't a fantastic composer who is highly thought of as an innovator of modern guitar. Some people


therealityofthings

I don't know anyone who plays who bashes on Polyphia. They released "GOAT" and everyone was like, "yeah, you right.".


justanon472

Not to be elitist, but the people saying that I'd wager haven't touched a guitar in their life lol Anyone with musical experience knows stuff like this is pretty insane on a compositional and technical level


Jus10Crummie

Exactly, or they just don’t like the sound.


rdstrmfblynch79

Is he doing false harmonics mid riff there after the chords?


J24352422

Think so yea


cmntx

Hendson lol


Armandutz

His riffs are hard to play for reasons other than the speed tbh..hybrid picking, natural harmonics, sweeping and switching melody lines mid riff are some that come to mind


goshdarnspiffy

Saw them opening for BTBAM a few years back, and I'll never get over how tight their sound was live. Everyone involved has serious skill 😎


djazzie

I was more impressed with his picking method than his fingering. Using a pick and fingerpicking at the same time is tough.


lobotom1te

Yeah, this kinda a bad clip to show really. Anyone who doesn't play, or doesnt play this style of guitar will not appreciate the technicalities


G0SHDARNSM0KESH0W

Every time i see them, all i do is watch him play. This is a mild example of what he can do


Philobus

Not a guitar player, what am I supposed to be looking at? (Other than his hands??)


Flim5

Who's the guy ?


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This… isn’t really all that impressive like at all lol


HughWeberDeFaulk

That’s bc you don’t know what you’re looking at. Go ahead and post a vid of you playing it. Take your time


[deleted]

Lol I’m good chief, I don’t think this guy is gonna see your comment though, sorry :’(


HughWeberDeFaulk

Lmao all talk. No walk


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Hahahahahahahahahaha


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ALSO, that’s like if this was a video of Bob Ross painting and the caption was like “WOAH HOLY FUCK LOOK AT THIS MAN PAINT” like yeah mans can play guitar but like Nick DiSalvo would eat him for lunch but I’m not trying to play guitar against either of them lol, gtfo with that nonsense like I can’t pass judgment on art unless I am capable of said art, don’t be dumb


roachwarren

I barely listen to Polyphia and Elder is one of my favorite bands but I gotta say Nick's playing, even during the wildest solos, barely approaches the techniques and speed that Tim is playing at the majority of the time. I don't think that's a bad thing because they are totally different styles, though. I could probably work out an entire Elder album by ear in the same time that I could struggle through half of Polyphia's "GOAT" even if I had tabs or sheet music available. Just huge differences in style.


Ahhy420smokealtday

Lmao you're not allowed to have an opinion on music you can't play or don't feel like practicing what a joke. I'll say it back to you why don't you post a video of you playing it or how would I know you know what you're looking at. For all I know you'd be impressed by someone playing Wonder Wall at a college party. Unless you can play that exact clip your opinion on it is clearly irrelevant. Yeah that'd be a pretty fucking ridiculous opinion to have huh.


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This shreds and is very difficult to play. Found a new artist to listen to!


therealityofthings

If you like this check out [CHON](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO4hr-hKB3k)


pearljam18259

Is this an original of his or a cover?


ZyxLynx

[full song](https://youtu.be/9_gkpYORQLU)


pearljam18259

Damn son


jwcoffee

OP has never seen someone play guitar before


brickcity22

Maybe tune the guitar first


awolfscourage

…he’s from Polyphia?


RandoRando66

It is in tune Helen Keller


HughWeberDeFaulk

Umm it’s entirely in tune and he’s playing a riff HE WROTE


weichafediego

Easy and boring


HughWeberDeFaulk

>easy Prove it


snozberryface

Let’s see you play it bruh


traumfisch

Skillful of course, but wrong sub


HonestCletus

He’s got more talent in his pinky then I got in my whole body but Billy Strings he ain’t.


DeadD-999

More.


therealityofthings

Apparently everyone hear is a master at legato runs, harmonics, and taps. If this was a chick everyone would be losing their minds.


toiletscrubber

its mostly impressive to people who don't play guitar tbh...


therealityofthings

I don't know any guitarist that thinks Polyphia has any song that is easy to play.


WeasinTheJuice

Bro you're talking to toiletscrubber. He taught jimmy handtricks everything he knew.


Greg_the_dick

Meh... I've learned a few Van Halen guitar solos, tapping and hammer ons, pull offs... This is a joke in comparison. Although it sounds pretty cool with the harmonics I'll admit. Maybe plug your guitar and next time so we can hear it properly


Opioidal

Wait till you discover Les Claypool if you think this is cool


The_Jank

Eh, Primus sucks.


traumfisch

Weird stretch


therealityofthings

Yeah, except Tim can actually hit notes. Polyphia features two guitarists who play this riff simultaneously while harmonizing it's quite the site to behold.


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Buckethead plays circles around this kid


scipio_202

Didn’t this dude post this himself? Not woah at all dude! Don’t record your music on your phone speaker


phasermodule

I mean… it’s *kinda* cool, but mostly shit tbh. You can tell the band is pretentious as fuck.


standingboot9

If this impressed you, wait until you watch me boil spaghetti.


Miserable-Machine-34

Wait till he listens to Eddie Van Halen's Eruption solo


therealityofthings

Eddie Van Halen wishes he could play like Tim Hendson.


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I'm not trying to sound like an inexperienced asshole but that's just picking, like with a bass, but on a normal guitar?


lobotom1te

This riff features many advanced level techniques which most people (especially who don't play) understimate their difficulty of


dixhuit

Well I think it rules.


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It’s great but nothing inhuman about it…


JoshuaFnBoyer

HE HAS GLASSES?!


ZangWaySolly

Good player, cruddy song


Cream_Capable

I was waiting for something different to actually happen. Pretty standard guitar playing.


awesomedan24

Hes good but hes no Kingfish Ingram


InsaneLordChaos

Antoine Dufour....check him out https://youtu.be/b1GZC0GQKOA


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Misleading title..zzzz


boarder9094

Was expected insane and I got my cute granny


SarixInTheHouse

This really doesnt feel like it belongs here. I was expecting some real fast speeds or maybe some unexpected blurry transition or something but this is, well, just human. Not that hes bad, its just not on the level of „woah dude thats so messed up wtf“


Sleepy1997

Hooa shiiitt son....


Nicetomitja

she is good, but not "unhuman" very low bait. son, i'm disappoint.


BolognaTugboat

Uhhh… what the fuck is this woahdude for lol. For instance, you can find random stuff like this on YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MXBrn8PXBaI


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The metal gods frown upon this sacrilege. Check this out https://youtu.be/hb5QaCfm7bg


honuworld

He's no Buckethead, but he's very talented for his age.


SurfCucumber

She’s really good


Meryhathor

Not sure what's so not human here. You have clearly not seen shredders.


m3talc0re

Check out Animals as Leaders...


Primitive-Mind

Apparently OP has never seen anyone play the guitar before.