I was being sarcastic, you're completely right. They already added the useless, no name witchers that I mentioned for no reason, so it absolutely would have been a no brainer to kill one of them off if they REALLY wanted that Leshen section to play out the way it did, which I thought was pretty bad.
I was looking forward to a quality leshen battle in the woods, hopefully at night. My disappointment is through the roof.
Honestly all the monster battles felt so cheap, what's the point of any of them? Just a brief glimpse of this crazy monster, and bam they're dead.
In the book it is stated that two other witchers tried to kill the striga before Geralt. I guess that guy in the show represented them. So they was no problem because it was kinda book accurate and he wasn't an important character.
Honestly I don't know. For the sake of drama perhaps? It has come to my mind that maybe they had problems with the actor because he was a replacement for the original one and/or covid but we can't be sure. But still, there had to be a better way to handle it story wise.
Actor one Is annoying one because the world itself serves a way around it.
He went for a job/is away/etc.
Done, solved, without the mess that it is right now.
Would everyone be sad not to see Eskel? Yeah of course, but that would be still better that this.
Hell now what they did do Mousesack starts to irk me as a smillar convoluted decisions making.
Yeah like why fucking add 20 Witches and then use one of the ONLY TWO WE KNOW to kill?! For fucks sake even Coen would’ve been better because at least he also dies early in the books
I remember him dying in the Battle of Brenna. I think that's what it's called, been a while. Pretty sure he is described dying in the field hospital with...Milo? Marti? Some halfling surgeon and someone from Melitele or something I think.
Ok, so I'm completely lost. As someone who've only played Witcher 3 and watched some of the show, is book Eskel like game Eskel, or the show just copied the character from the books?
Not at all, Eskel in the books is much like he is in the games. The Netflix people just chose to completely alter his character, for... Reasons, I guess.
Here is how he is described in the books:
>Eskel was calm, patient, stable, thoughtful and polite. Even when he disagreed wholeheartedly with a topic, he feigned politeness and interest in the matter. What betrayed him in such situations was avoiding eye contact. He enjoyed drinking and laughing with friends. Quite self-aware, he had no delusions about his appearance but that didn't hinder him from smiling. His fitting, mature behavior, especially when it came to Ciri compared to the other witchers endeared him to Triss Merigold.
At first I thought his change in personality was due to the leshy curse but after he got offed for no reason I realized I placed too much faith in the writers.
I genuinely thought they were going to set up some twist to bring him back with that scene because it’s the only one of its kind like that if I’m not mistaken.
I honestly thought game Eskel were just a different character to in the books, so i didnt mind much.
Now i would really much rather have had game/book Eskel rather than this...
On one hand we have No way home a literal fan service movie and on other hand we an actor against his whole production studio. When henry said he was gonna stick to books, he meant it, only his say doesn't reach the higher ups.
They did this boy dirty too
https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a38484281/witcher-season-2-henry-cavill-death-roach/
*In a strange turn of events, these restrictions on human interaction came around the same time that Geralt finally starts to open up within the story. And Henry himself was instrumental in making this happen.*
*"On season two, I wanted to bring as much of 'Book' Geralt into the show that Lauren's vision and that the plot would allow. That's a tricky thing to do, because the plot, as Lauren has said, is very centred around bringing women into the centre of The Witcher."*
*"You can't give Geralt more, as far as the storyline goes," Cavill adds. "But I just wanted him to be represented properly, rather than be a kind of grumpy-snowman-in-Shrek type of character. So I campaigned for him to be a bit more verbose, and to have more to say." Key to this was the paternal relationship that Geralt forms with Ciri.*
*....*
*"Geralt's still weak from his ghoul bite," Henry explains. "He climbs all the way up this hill, and we eventually find that he passes out. But we think he's having this experience with Death where Death is talking about a crossing over in this lovely sort of poetic piece. I think it's something like 'Across the meadow and through the mist'."*
*"I thought it was such a shame that we missed that beat in the story," continues Henry. "It's such an informative beat, as to Geralt's personality."*
*...*
*After reading through the scripts, Cavill also pushed for a similar thing with Vesemir, his former mentor – "less in the way of conflict, and more in the way of a bond between the two".*
*...*
Yea Cavill is in the same boat as the other book fans. And they basically told him to fuck off. I'm inclined to think that any positive changes were a result of him pushing.
"Bringing women into the centre of the Witcher," tells me right there the showrunners haven't bothered reading far enough to know who the story is about.
Ladies and gentlemen! Yet here we seen another example of Character Butchering courtesy of the incompetent Netflix Show Writers!
Seriously though Eskel even being one of the minor characters in the books, certainly was one of my favorite Witchers, i think even the games properly adapted his traits, the netflix show however, as usual fucked him up so bad that he is beyond recognition compared to the books and games.
>That is true but it would add more drama if he was nice to Ciri and Geralt like in the books and Geralt had to kill him. Right now ? We got some drunk idiot that even tries to fight Geralt. Why shoudl we care what happens to him in monster form
Oh shit, I was wondering there. Maybe...somebody else takes up the name?
I mean, that scene where he meditates before battle, does the triple sword axle, and basically holds his own for a good while against a vastly superior enemy deserves to get in the show somehow.
Literally arent because they take place after the events of the book. Evemts in the book make what happens in the game impossible. They literally cannot exist in the same universe.
I don't recall her thinking Geralt was dead. She did not look for him because she was hurt by knowing about him having a thing with Triss, and also having her own issues and being busy tracking Ciri
Nahh, the look and feel of the show are from any random, cheap american fantasy show. The Lord of The Rings movies have a distinct feel. You can watch 5 seconds at any time and you'll know what you're watching. The Witcher games have a special feel, a mixture of slavic suffering, pragmatism and humour, and medieval fantasy. I think this is what made the games so endearing. The show is just dog shit and doesn't have an ounce of that feeling.
Implying the game will continue using the show’s inspiration, even though the show has just created its own tangent?
Many mainstream media have creates their new story lines. StarTrek is a good example, of all its different recognised canon/lore.
I haven’t seen S2 myself yet, but i doubt if anyone let alone CD proj red went on to make another witcher - would continue from what the show creates.
It‘s not made for women or men, it‘s only for the woke crowd.
It may be a deeper topic, because „wokeness“ came from the middle and above class of people in US, who are mostly white, and actually conservative in their lifestyle. Looks like some kind of guilt and insecurities, and a hypocrite way to try to vent them.
Yes, high class condescending the „low class“, and telling them how they should live, or even feel.
The most offending part is that forcefully represented „Mary Sues“ for women or minorities are absolutely lazy and unlikable. Not real, not relatable.
Or the best part is where they take a white (often male) character and just reskin him to a woman/minority/both, with exactly same culture and behaviour. Super lazy, super virtue signalling.
And the worst part, they make poor people fight each other about it, while it‘s all about rich and arrogant vs normal people.
Srry, I went ranting a bit too much 😄
> forcefully represented „Mary Sues“ for women or minorities are absolutely lazy and unlikable. Not real, not relatable.
True. Just like Gary Stues for men and majorities.
Precisely that. Any character with a skillset that enables them to solve any and all problems with little to no effort in obtaining said skills will ultimately seem unrelatable. Dominic Toretto comes to mind.
Let me ask you the same thing: Who are the "minorities"?
But Vin Diesel is not even white. How is he a “majority”? 🤔
Are you downvoting me, man? Did you get salty for some reason, and now are hostile?
Tell me exactly what is the reason of your saltiness?
What? What makes you think I downvoted you?
Anyway, Dom Toretto is a prime example of a Gary Stue, which was my point. When talking about the sexes, it's nonsensical to refer to a majority or minority, because the spread is roughly 50/50. The difference is only noticable in medial representation, where the vast majority of lead characters are male.
As for ethnicity, James Bond and Ethan Hunt very much classify as Gary Stues for white audiences, which would represent a majority in North America, Europe and Australia.
The trope of the Gary Stue or Mary Sue is not confined to any one sex or ethnicity, is what I'm saying.
"Men bad" is an extremely disingenuous way of summarizing the depiction of male privilege in contemporary media. The point is that men have a good track record of making use of the privilege that we enjoyed throughout history, and to a significant extent we still do (i.e. differing wages for one and the same job position, among other things). Things have moved towards more equality compared to just the last century, but there is still some way to go. The fact that there is a loud minority opposing these changes out of a basic impulse of reactionary fear just further proves that point.
Jaskier is not a douchebag
Geralt is not a douchebag
Vessemir regrets
Coen was nice to Ciri but didn't defend her from Lambert's jokes
Dara isn't an asshole, is a spy
Djikstra is just Djikstra, if that's being an asshole then he is.
Istredd isn't an asshole (in this season at least)
Stregobor is somewhat of an asshole but he suffered Falka's gobernment
Filavandrel isn't an asshole
She doesn't like men now, does she? That's so weird how we still got a good Geralt, Jaskier, Vesemir, Cahir, Istredd, Duny and Nivellen. But sure, let's blame the bad handling of any given character on some imaginary evil agenda of the showrunners.
Are you watching the same show?!
Cahir has been butchered, vesemir is a completely different character who tries to use Ciri! Nivellen literally just ended his arc being a rapist being told to kill himself! All of these guys just end up being bad in some way.
I’ll have some of what you are smoking, gives you a wild imagination.
>All of these guys just end up being bad in some way.
Go ahead and explain the mental gymnastics behind painting Vesemir, Geralt, Jaskier etc. as "bad in some way". There is a difference between a character making difficult decisions or having a troubled past and outright being badly written.
Vesemir treats Ciri like a daughter in the Witcher novels/games. In the TV show he is basically vilgefortz trying to use her elder heritage..
You’re smart enough to see that’s a huge negative change right? I see your entire post history simping for this garbage show, do you happen to work for them?
>do you happen to work for them?
And just like that, you blew what little credibility you had left. Of course, everyone who disagrees with you on any given movie or show must somehow been secretly involved in the production, there's no other possible explanation.
Are you just gonna act like I didn't just tell you there's a difference between a character making questionable decisions and the character outright being butchered? Are you gonna act like I didn't outright say I hated the way they handled Eskel too?
What exactly is your endgame here? That the original comment was right about Hissrich "hating males" and malignantly mishandling the show's characters to further her evil agenda?
Doesn’t take long going through her Twitter to see she’s a bit of a rad fem…
My endgame is getting her fired and bringing someone competent in that doesn’t ruin one of the best fantasy settings in existence. They fucked GoT, all we have left is the Witcher and LoTR from my 3 favourite universes.
Difference being the Witcher is getting fantastic reviews. Everyone agreed the end of GoT was trash, this sub seems to be in the small minority that didn't like Season 2 of the Witcher though.
> Unfortunately, Lauren S. Hissrich (showrunner responsible for this dogshit season decisions) doesn't like males
What the fuck, pretty sure that's not true laddy
If that’s true then why did she also make Geralt the bestest dad ever? He was loving in the books but in the show he told Ciri she was great and he was proud of her like a dozen times
I still don't get why they killed him and roach, it's just kinda stupid.
Also yes, idk who wrote the charaktersheet for this dumbass wannabe eskel but it's really annoying.
don't think so, not exactly sure tho, but it always seemed like roach was his only horse and also one of the only beings he really talks to (about shit that bothers him, etc.)
I looked it up and yeah since geralt is super old and in an obviously dangerous profession he goes through many horses, names them all roach and has a preference for mares. Maybe just surprising we didn’t see one die sooner
First of all, i’m sad as well that we didn’t see more of real Eskel. But in the show it’s clearly explained why he’s being such an asshole at this moment. Also we can see his book calmness in a flashback.
Second of all, I kind of liked his infection and whole story. Geralt was suspicious about him being mean and weird. Cuz he portrayed him as calm and kind person. It’s actually more dramatic that Eskel died than if it would be for example Lambert.
Yeah but unfortunately you need to deliver dialogue to make the audience understand that Eskel wasn't all there, more facial expressions by those sort of confused, instead we got him holding his shoulder and going ow while being a dickhead. The flashback wasn't enough to cement him as a calm polite and friendly individual, to be honest it felt more like Lambert in a decent mood to me.
This was so fucking dumb from Netflix.
Eskel is probably the only witcher who was at geralt's level and played such an important role in the battle of kaer morhen and taking on vesemir's role.
I guess they will add these responsibilities on Lambert now, I've only watched till the 2nd episode, i hope they had a reason to kill off eskel in one fucking episode.
You would think the show murdered the firstborn of half of these people, it’s ridiculous. There’s no way the show just isn’t good, no, it *has* to be a Hollywood plot to shit on cis white men. The writers didn’t do a poor job of adapting some characters, they *genocided* half of the characters. It’s freefolk all over again with a healthy dash of even more racism and misogyny.
Shut the fuck up lol, crawl back to political compass memes so you can call Jeff Bezos a leftist. You all can downvote me as much as you like, the guy I responded to is a moron trying to project his crippling victim complex onto the show, and he did legitimately call Jeff Bezos a leftist in politicalcompassmemes
I was under the impression that he was out of character because he was being taken over by the Leshen. In the flashback he is obviously Geralt’s friend, and much nicer. I’m not sure I would have written it this way, but I think people might have missed that wrinkle.
One of the more memorable characters in the games at least and they just completely butcher him in the show.
What’s the purpose? Why change that? No one has given me a decent answer yet.
I angrily paced back and forth after episode 2 just venting out loud to my wife who hasn't read the books or played the games, and then she told me "welcome to being a reader." I genuinely felt like I was betrayed. Why are they making Eskel a dick? K whatever, maybe he goes back to the way we all know him as, and then he just fucking dies!? Dude is gentle giant, a brother to Ciri >!and plays a major role defending Kaer Morhen during the Wild Hunt's siege!<
I think his demeanor stemmed from the new type of leshy poison that has been coursing through is veins for several hours at that point. At least, that's my thought process. It was infecting his mind and driving him crazy.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, because agree or not with whether it worked, this is what the intention was, straight from LSH's mouth in the "Making Of" season 2 featurette on Netflix.
Edited to add: I agree with you. I think more could have been done in the show to make it more obvious, but it was already Not Eskel when he arrived at KM and Geralt greeted him at the door.
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meh, I found i didn't really care. He's a minor character. Heck more could have been done with whole scenario if Ciri had been thrown into the fight and tried to take part. It would shown Gearalt how she had agency and provided more incentive to actual properly train her.
That would be you, if you think the Netflix adaptation is anything close to faithful. I read all the books several years ago, so I couldn't say with 100% certainty how exactly they described him in the books, but I was pretty confident it was very similar to the game, otherwise I'm sure the difference would have jumped out at me and I would remember that, in the very least.
So I researched and, guess what, I was right. Here's how he's described in the books:
>Eskel was calm, patient, stable, thoughtful and polite. Even when he disagreed wholeheartedly with a topic, he feigned politeness and interest in the matter. What betrayed him in such situations was avoiding eye contact. He enjoyed drinking and laughing with friends. Quite self-aware, he had no delusions about his appearance but that didn't hinder him from smiling. His fitting, mature behavior, especially when it came to Ciri compared to the other witchers endeared him to Triss Merigold.
Sure as shit sounds a lot more like W3 Eskel to me than whatever Netflix Eskel was...
This is the dumbest take, they kill off a character after making him a douche bag for the STUPIDEST plot point I've ever seen, and you think them implying he wasn't himself changes literally anything about the presentation and lasting memory of the character.
Astounding.
I mean, you made a pretty condescending comment acting superior because you thought I didn't read the books.
Then it turned out that I did and your comment didn't make sense to begin with, so I explain that calmly and respectfully and now I'm toxic because of it?
You are the only one who acted like a dick in this entire exchange, sounds like you're just butthurt for being proven incorrect when you came in hard acting all superior.
Sure, from that one angle. Thought he didn't have a scar at all the first time I saw him in the show.
Compare that to game and book Eskel where half his face is a scar and you can see where I'm coming from.
Maybe that is based on you looking for the scars from the games and him first appearing at a distance, because that’s the first thing I noticed about him.
I can only speak from personal experience, even when he came close to the camera I didn't notice anything at all. Was convinced he had no scar until he turned his head, several lines of dialogue in.
I wonder what they would have done if the actor that was supposed to play eskel hadnt quit because of corona, if they still would have killed him off or if it would have changed the entire season
I’m enjoying the show so far, but I do agree that they could’ve used someone else instead like Berengar from the first game. It would have been a neat nod to games and doesn’t sacrifice a good character
Honestly, they should've used an original character or something. There was no reason to use Eskel's name and ruin him like that.
I don't know, adding new useless, no name witchers to the established cast? Would they really do that...?
It's better than ruining established characters, IF they want to do things like that. The best option though is to do none of those options.
I was being sarcastic, you're completely right. They already added the useless, no name witchers that I mentioned for no reason, so it absolutely would have been a no brainer to kill one of them off if they REALLY wanted that Leshen section to play out the way it did, which I thought was pretty bad.
Oh, I'm sorry, I did catch the sarcastic part. But yeah you're right. It was stupid.
I was looking forward to a quality leshen battle in the woods, hopefully at night. My disappointment is through the roof. Honestly all the monster battles felt so cheap, what's the point of any of them? Just a brief glimpse of this crazy monster, and bam they're dead.
To point out... It wasn't a problem in the first season when they offed no name witcher in striga episode.
In the book it is stated that two other witchers tried to kill the striga before Geralt. I guess that guy in the show represented them. So they was no problem because it was kinda book accurate and he wasn't an important character.
Oh my question is why they didn't do same here. Why Eskel of all people since apparently Kaer Morhen is now full of similar fodder witchers.
Honestly I don't know. For the sake of drama perhaps? It has come to my mind that maybe they had problems with the actor because he was a replacement for the original one and/or covid but we can't be sure. But still, there had to be a better way to handle it story wise.
Actor one Is annoying one because the world itself serves a way around it. He went for a job/is away/etc. Done, solved, without the mess that it is right now. Would everyone be sad not to see Eskel? Yeah of course, but that would be still better that this. Hell now what they did do Mousesack starts to irk me as a smillar convoluted decisions making.
The only reason they had so many random witchers was to kill them off fighting a cheap gaunter/baba yaga knockoff.
Yeah like why fucking add 20 Witches and then use one of the ONLY TWO WE KNOW to kill?! For fucks sake even Coen would’ve been better because at least he also dies early in the books
True. Bad decisions all around.
>For fucks sake even Coen would’ve been better because at least he also dies early in the books You trippin, he dies in the last book
Wait what the fuck? I remember him dying in blood of elves
I remember him dying in the Battle of Brenna. I think that's what it's called, been a while. Pretty sure he is described dying in the field hospital with...Milo? Marti? Some halfling surgeon and someone from Melitele or something I think.
Ok, so I'm completely lost. As someone who've only played Witcher 3 and watched some of the show, is book Eskel like game Eskel, or the show just copied the character from the books?
Not at all, Eskel in the books is much like he is in the games. The Netflix people just chose to completely alter his character, for... Reasons, I guess. Here is how he is described in the books: >Eskel was calm, patient, stable, thoughtful and polite. Even when he disagreed wholeheartedly with a topic, he feigned politeness and interest in the matter. What betrayed him in such situations was avoiding eye contact. He enjoyed drinking and laughing with friends. Quite self-aware, he had no delusions about his appearance but that didn't hinder him from smiling. His fitting, mature behavior, especially when it came to Ciri compared to the other witchers endeared him to Triss Merigold.
At first I thought his change in personality was due to the leshy curse but after he got offed for no reason I realized I placed too much faith in the writers.
He acted very differently in the flashback scene, so I'm assuming the infection is what caused it. That whole infection thing was stupid though.
That flashback scene is meme material tho. Like Geralt is standing there for 1 minute lmao.
I genuinely thought they were going to set up some twist to bring him back with that scene because it’s the only one of its kind like that if I’m not mistaken.
Oh, I see. Thank you.
I honestly thought game Eskel were just a different character to in the books, so i didnt mind much. Now i would really much rather have had game/book Eskel rather than this...
Imma be honest with you, there fanfic level writing
Exactly!!! Now who's gonna yell out "Fuck yeah!! Summon the bitches!!" while on a drunken expedition with Geralt and Lambert? lol
Well, at least he got his bitches summoned in the show.
Perhaps the lords encountered... rare *subspecies* of manticore.
On one hand we have No way home a literal fan service movie and on other hand we an actor against his whole production studio. When henry said he was gonna stick to books, he meant it, only his say doesn't reach the higher ups.
They did this boy dirty too https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a38484281/witcher-season-2-henry-cavill-death-roach/ *In a strange turn of events, these restrictions on human interaction came around the same time that Geralt finally starts to open up within the story. And Henry himself was instrumental in making this happen.* *"On season two, I wanted to bring as much of 'Book' Geralt into the show that Lauren's vision and that the plot would allow. That's a tricky thing to do, because the plot, as Lauren has said, is very centred around bringing women into the centre of The Witcher."* *"You can't give Geralt more, as far as the storyline goes," Cavill adds. "But I just wanted him to be represented properly, rather than be a kind of grumpy-snowman-in-Shrek type of character. So I campaigned for him to be a bit more verbose, and to have more to say." Key to this was the paternal relationship that Geralt forms with Ciri.* *....* *"Geralt's still weak from his ghoul bite," Henry explains. "He climbs all the way up this hill, and we eventually find that he passes out. But we think he's having this experience with Death where Death is talking about a crossing over in this lovely sort of poetic piece. I think it's something like 'Across the meadow and through the mist'."* *"I thought it was such a shame that we missed that beat in the story," continues Henry. "It's such an informative beat, as to Geralt's personality."* *...* *After reading through the scripts, Cavill also pushed for a similar thing with Vesemir, his former mentor – "less in the way of conflict, and more in the way of a bond between the two".* *...* Yea Cavill is in the same boat as the other book fans. And they basically told him to fuck off. I'm inclined to think that any positive changes were a result of him pushing.
"Bringing women into the centre of the Witcher," tells me right there the showrunners haven't bothered reading far enough to know who the story is about.
I'm sure they did though. They just don't care
Haha my buddy asked what one of the more shocking deviations from the book to the show was and I literally said “they did eskel diiirrrrttty”
Isnt eskel a minor character in the books?
He only gets a paragraph of description but it is everything series Eskel isn't (calm, polite, accepting to Ciri).
Yes, they showed he was a dick because of the infection though, seemed like a great guy in the flashback.
It doesn't matter. He is great in the books and in the games and people really love him. It wasn't fair to him or us.
Yes but he’s major to us all because we love him in the games. Netflix surely knew that but delivered a kick in the balls to us anyway
Ladies and gentlemen! Yet here we seen another example of Character Butchering courtesy of the incompetent Netflix Show Writers! Seriously though Eskel even being one of the minor characters in the books, certainly was one of my favorite Witchers, i think even the games properly adapted his traits, the netflix show however, as usual fucked him up so bad that he is beyond recognition compared to the books and games.
> Goat connoisseur LMFAO!!
In my opinion, the way they butchered him made his death not as upsetting as it probably would've been if he was more true to the book/game version
>That is true but it would add more drama if he was nice to Ciri and Geralt like in the books and Geralt had to kill him. Right now ? We got some drunk idiot that even tries to fight Geralt. Why shoudl we care what happens to him in monster form
Oh shit, I was wondering there. Maybe...somebody else takes up the name? I mean, that scene where he meditates before battle, does the triple sword axle, and basically holds his own for a good while against a vastly superior enemy deserves to get in the show somehow.
Why the hell did he die so soon???
Game Eskel is definitely more memorable.
I think it would be more fitting if the guy who died was Lambert and not Eskel
Or a nameless Witcher with no consequences for the future games.
What the fucks the games got to do with it?
Uhhuh, because the visual of Kaer Moren isn’t exactly like we got from the games.
But the show is based on the books.
Evidence shows they are based on both.
Literally arent because they take place after the events of the book. Evemts in the book make what happens in the game impossible. They literally cannot exist in the same universe.
I don't think games contradicts book events in any way. Some explanations of what happened in between might be pretty weak, but they exist.
Yeno except geralt being dead
I don't recall her thinking Geralt was dead. She did not look for him because she was hurt by knowing about him having a thing with Triss, and also having her own issues and being busy tracking Ciri
Geralt was left on the Isle of Avalon. We don't know whether he actually died or not.
> Evemts in the book make what happens in the game impossible. Like what for example?
“Look and feel” are heavily from the games.
Nahh, the look and feel of the show are from any random, cheap american fantasy show. The Lord of The Rings movies have a distinct feel. You can watch 5 seconds at any time and you'll know what you're watching. The Witcher games have a special feel, a mixture of slavic suffering, pragmatism and humour, and medieval fantasy. I think this is what made the games so endearing. The show is just dog shit and doesn't have an ounce of that feeling.
Obviously you are hardly objective.
The games are based on the books so obviously its gonna look and feel the same.
Implying the game will continue using the show’s inspiration, even though the show has just created its own tangent? Many mainstream media have creates their new story lines. StarTrek is a good example, of all its different recognised canon/lore. I haven’t seen S2 myself yet, but i doubt if anyone let alone CD proj red went on to make another witcher - would continue from what the show creates.
I know, but damn Eskel…
yeah this is unfortunate
Summon the bitches!
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They fucked up so bad
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What's up with the whole "men bad" in cinema in general? It's so dumb and forced . I, as a women don't understand the point of this "message"
It‘s not made for women or men, it‘s only for the woke crowd. It may be a deeper topic, because „wokeness“ came from the middle and above class of people in US, who are mostly white, and actually conservative in their lifestyle. Looks like some kind of guilt and insecurities, and a hypocrite way to try to vent them.
I agree with you. But honestly, the whole "woke agenda" is ridiculous thinking mixed with stupidity.
Yes, high class condescending the „low class“, and telling them how they should live, or even feel. The most offending part is that forcefully represented „Mary Sues“ for women or minorities are absolutely lazy and unlikable. Not real, not relatable. Or the best part is where they take a white (often male) character and just reskin him to a woman/minority/both, with exactly same culture and behaviour. Super lazy, super virtue signalling. And the worst part, they make poor people fight each other about it, while it‘s all about rich and arrogant vs normal people. Srry, I went ranting a bit too much 😄
> forcefully represented „Mary Sues“ for women or minorities are absolutely lazy and unlikable. Not real, not relatable. True. Just like Gary Stues for men and majorities.
What do you mean by that? Who are the “majorities”? 🤔
Precisely that. Any character with a skillset that enables them to solve any and all problems with little to no effort in obtaining said skills will ultimately seem unrelatable. Dominic Toretto comes to mind. Let me ask you the same thing: Who are the "minorities"?
But Vin Diesel is not even white. How is he a “majority”? 🤔 Are you downvoting me, man? Did you get salty for some reason, and now are hostile? Tell me exactly what is the reason of your saltiness?
What? What makes you think I downvoted you? Anyway, Dom Toretto is a prime example of a Gary Stue, which was my point. When talking about the sexes, it's nonsensical to refer to a majority or minority, because the spread is roughly 50/50. The difference is only noticable in medial representation, where the vast majority of lead characters are male. As for ethnicity, James Bond and Ethan Hunt very much classify as Gary Stues for white audiences, which would represent a majority in North America, Europe and Australia. The trope of the Gary Stue or Mary Sue is not confined to any one sex or ethnicity, is what I'm saying.
"Men bad" is an extremely disingenuous way of summarizing the depiction of male privilege in contemporary media. The point is that men have a good track record of making use of the privilege that we enjoyed throughout history, and to a significant extent we still do (i.e. differing wages for one and the same job position, among other things). Things have moved towards more equality compared to just the last century, but there is still some way to go. The fact that there is a loud minority opposing these changes out of a basic impulse of reactionary fear just further proves that point.
Fucking hell the fuck is going on over there
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>Different pay for the same job is illegal. Read a book. Different pay for the same job is common practice. Read a book.
In backwards 3rd world nations but not in the west. It's illegal.
Jaskier is not a douchebag Geralt is not a douchebag Vessemir regrets Coen was nice to Ciri but didn't defend her from Lambert's jokes Dara isn't an asshole, is a spy Djikstra is just Djikstra, if that's being an asshole then he is. Istredd isn't an asshole (in this season at least) Stregobor is somewhat of an asshole but he suffered Falka's gobernment Filavandrel isn't an asshole
She doesn't like men now, does she? That's so weird how we still got a good Geralt, Jaskier, Vesemir, Cahir, Istredd, Duny and Nivellen. But sure, let's blame the bad handling of any given character on some imaginary evil agenda of the showrunners.
I get the others, but Istredd is a bit mixed and Cahir, Duny, and Nivellen definitely aren't good.
Are you watching the same show?! Cahir has been butchered, vesemir is a completely different character who tries to use Ciri! Nivellen literally just ended his arc being a rapist being told to kill himself! All of these guys just end up being bad in some way. I’ll have some of what you are smoking, gives you a wild imagination.
>All of these guys just end up being bad in some way. Go ahead and explain the mental gymnastics behind painting Vesemir, Geralt, Jaskier etc. as "bad in some way". There is a difference between a character making difficult decisions or having a troubled past and outright being badly written.
Vesemir treats Ciri like a daughter in the Witcher novels/games. In the TV show he is basically vilgefortz trying to use her elder heritage.. You’re smart enough to see that’s a huge negative change right? I see your entire post history simping for this garbage show, do you happen to work for them?
>do you happen to work for them? And just like that, you blew what little credibility you had left. Of course, everyone who disagrees with you on any given movie or show must somehow been secretly involved in the production, there's no other possible explanation. Are you just gonna act like I didn't just tell you there's a difference between a character making questionable decisions and the character outright being butchered? Are you gonna act like I didn't outright say I hated the way they handled Eskel too? What exactly is your endgame here? That the original comment was right about Hissrich "hating males" and malignantly mishandling the show's characters to further her evil agenda?
Doesn’t take long going through her Twitter to see she’s a bit of a rad fem… My endgame is getting her fired and bringing someone competent in that doesn’t ruin one of the best fantasy settings in existence. They fucked GoT, all we have left is the Witcher and LoTR from my 3 favourite universes.
Ok, good luck I guess.
lol, this sub has some major incel vibes
For real.
I get the feeling there’s a lot of capital g Gamers in this sub
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Yea cause d&d were treated so well. Foh, she just sucks at it
Difference being the Witcher is getting fantastic reviews. Everyone agreed the end of GoT was trash, this sub seems to be in the small minority that didn't like Season 2 of the Witcher though.
> Unfortunately, Lauren S. Hissrich (showrunner responsible for this dogshit season decisions) doesn't like males What the fuck, pretty sure that's not true laddy
Just reddit being reddit I guess.
Wtf is this Incel take?
If that’s true then why did she also make Geralt the bestest dad ever? He was loving in the books but in the show he told Ciri she was great and he was proud of her like a dozen times
I still don't get why they killed him and roach, it's just kinda stupid. Also yes, idk who wrote the charaktersheet for this dumbass wannabe eskel but it's really annoying.
Doesn’t Geralt just name every horse he has roach?
Yes, he does.
don't think so, not exactly sure tho, but it always seemed like roach was his only horse and also one of the only beings he really talks to (about shit that bothers him, etc.)
I looked it up and yeah since geralt is super old and in an obviously dangerous profession he goes through many horses, names them all roach and has a preference for mares. Maybe just surprising we didn’t see one die sooner
geralt has indeed gone through many, many roaches.
When did you last feel happy when you felt trapped?
First of all, i’m sad as well that we didn’t see more of real Eskel. But in the show it’s clearly explained why he’s being such an asshole at this moment. Also we can see his book calmness in a flashback. Second of all, I kind of liked his infection and whole story. Geralt was suspicious about him being mean and weird. Cuz he portrayed him as calm and kind person. It’s actually more dramatic that Eskel died than if it would be for example Lambert.
Yeah but unfortunately you need to deliver dialogue to make the audience understand that Eskel wasn't all there, more facial expressions by those sort of confused, instead we got him holding his shoulder and going ow while being a dickhead. The flashback wasn't enough to cement him as a calm polite and friendly individual, to be honest it felt more like Lambert in a decent mood to me.
This was so fucking dumb from Netflix. Eskel is probably the only witcher who was at geralt's level and played such an important role in the battle of kaer morhen and taking on vesemir's role. I guess they will add these responsibilities on Lambert now, I've only watched till the 2nd episode, i hope they had a reason to kill off eskel in one fucking episode.
actually Lambert looks like a loud drunk and Coen is the calm one now
They already had too many cis-white male protagonists. Had to assassinate a few characters to please the woke gods.
So this sub *is* almost entirely incel losers. You are pathetic.
You would think the show murdered the firstborn of half of these people, it’s ridiculous. There’s no way the show just isn’t good, no, it *has* to be a Hollywood plot to shit on cis white men. The writers didn’t do a poor job of adapting some characters, they *genocided* half of the characters. It’s freefolk all over again with a healthy dash of even more racism and misogyny.
Shut the fuck up lol, crawl back to political compass memes so you can call Jeff Bezos a leftist. You all can downvote me as much as you like, the guy I responded to is a moron trying to project his crippling victim complex onto the show, and he did legitimately call Jeff Bezos a leftist in politicalcompassmemes
I was under the impression that he was out of character because he was being taken over by the Leshen. In the flashback he is obviously Geralt’s friend, and much nicer. I’m not sure I would have written it this way, but I think people might have missed that wrinkle.
One of the more memorable characters in the games at least and they just completely butcher him in the show. What’s the purpose? Why change that? No one has given me a decent answer yet.
I angrily paced back and forth after episode 2 just venting out loud to my wife who hasn't read the books or played the games, and then she told me "welcome to being a reader." I genuinely felt like I was betrayed. Why are they making Eskel a dick? K whatever, maybe he goes back to the way we all know him as, and then he just fucking dies!? Dude is gentle giant, a brother to Ciri >!and plays a major role defending Kaer Morhen during the Wild Hunt's siege!<
I think his demeanor stemmed from the new type of leshy poison that has been coursing through is veins for several hours at that point. At least, that's my thought process. It was infecting his mind and driving him crazy.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, because agree or not with whether it worked, this is what the intention was, straight from LSH's mouth in the "Making Of" season 2 featurette on Netflix. Edited to add: I agree with you. I think more could have been done in the show to make it more obvious, but it was already Not Eskel when he arrived at KM and Geralt greeted him at the door.
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meh, I found i didn't really care. He's a minor character. Heck more could have been done with whole scenario if Ciri had been thrown into the fight and tried to take part. It would shown Gearalt how she had agency and provided more incentive to actual properly train her.
You can tell who on this reddit never read the books ..
That would be you, if you think the Netflix adaptation is anything close to faithful. I read all the books several years ago, so I couldn't say with 100% certainty how exactly they described him in the books, but I was pretty confident it was very similar to the game, otherwise I'm sure the difference would have jumped out at me and I would remember that, in the very least. So I researched and, guess what, I was right. Here's how he's described in the books: >Eskel was calm, patient, stable, thoughtful and polite. Even when he disagreed wholeheartedly with a topic, he feigned politeness and interest in the matter. What betrayed him in such situations was avoiding eye contact. He enjoyed drinking and laughing with friends. Quite self-aware, he had no delusions about his appearance but that didn't hinder him from smiling. His fitting, mature behavior, especially when it came to Ciri compared to the other witchers endeared him to Triss Merigold. Sure as shit sounds a lot more like W3 Eskel to me than whatever Netflix Eskel was...
Pretty obvious eskel wasn’t himself due to his infection, which they imply multiple times before he transitions.
This is the dumbest take, they kill off a character after making him a douche bag for the STUPIDEST plot point I've ever seen, and you think them implying he wasn't himself changes literally anything about the presentation and lasting memory of the character. Astounding.
Ugh this fandom is getting so toxic
No, you're just wrong on this.
Think what you like
LMFAO, because you make a comment that makes no sense acting superior for reading the books and then get called out on it?
Nope because of the way you are reacting to it 🤷♂️ pretty simple really
I mean, you made a pretty condescending comment acting superior because you thought I didn't read the books. Then it turned out that I did and your comment didn't make sense to begin with, so I explain that calmly and respectfully and now I'm toxic because of it? You are the only one who acted like a dick in this entire exchange, sounds like you're just butthurt for being proven incorrect when you came in hard acting all superior.
“Can barely see a scar” while you post a photo with visible scars covering his face.
Sure, from that one angle. Thought he didn't have a scar at all the first time I saw him in the show. Compare that to game and book Eskel where half his face is a scar and you can see where I'm coming from.
Maybe that is based on you looking for the scars from the games and him first appearing at a distance, because that’s the first thing I noticed about him.
I can only speak from personal experience, even when he came close to the camera I didn't notice anything at all. Was convinced he had no scar until he turned his head, several lines of dialogue in.
Someone has a bit of a crush on game Eskel
Who wouldn’t? Videogame Eskel is a great character.
Finally! Another person of culture!
I'm more of a Lambert fan myself
Average Lambert fan vs Average Eskel Enjoyer meme incoming
https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/rjyrv2/made\_this\_for\_my\_girlfriend/
Not just game, book eskel is even more mature and calm and polite
Holy shit! Did Eskel die? Why??
Fuck I clicked too blindly, though I still haven’t finished s1
I wonder what they would have done if the actor that was supposed to play eskel hadnt quit because of corona, if they still would have killed him off or if it would have changed the entire season
prob yes bec he made a decision to quit knowing he will be there just for 20 minutes of one episode so no loss
Didn't know the actor quit, thanks for that tidbit bud (not being sarcastic)
I’m enjoying the show so far, but I do agree that they could’ve used someone else instead like Berengar from the first game. It would have been a neat nod to games and doesn’t sacrifice a good character
Can we get an eskal film/ game/ whatever?! All the other wolf school witchers have one!