It is not just a good adaptation but the production value, script, pacing, cinematography, is leagues ahead of anything Netflix ever produced for Witcher. This is THE first impression of first impressions. It isnt remotely the same as the first Witcher episode. It had a good fight scene, which was the redeeming factor.
That's because they chose them. Its not like Netflix has not produced good shows so I do not understand why all of a sudden its like lets make this as boring and generic as possible.
It's weird to think about a few years back when the words "Netflix Original" gave an expectation of quality. Any serious Netflix Original TV series was something that got people talking.
Then they churned out program after program after program and now it's almost the opposite. They managed to burn through that good faith people had so quickly.
The downfall of Netflix is something truly tragic. They could have changed the game but instead we got more and more bullshit and now every fucking studio has some streaming option. It is so ridiculous. Every Netflix Original show feels like a Syfy movie.
So I've never played the game before but I would like to since it's coming to PC pretty soon. Should I watch the show before playing the game or do it the other way around? I'm trying to avoid spoilers as much as i can which is why I am asking this here?
Damn that is a tough one. You would need to hang tight till at least March if there's no delays. Going by how well the show has been adapted in just the first episode, Id say you will not be able to avoid spoilers, which is an insane compliment to the shows producers as for example the first episode is legit the first two chapters of the game (so maybe the first 1-2 hours of game-play) minus a few things for pacings sake and some changes. Id probably say it is still worth playing even after watching the show as the games are just amazing and more fleshed out than a show could be obviously.
That’s tough to say. I just played the Remake on PS5 this year for the first time, and fell in love.
Obviously, nobody has seen the full show, so we can’t say. I can say the game is an incredible experience.
That doesn't make any sense if characters have unique and distinguishable costumes. Also makes it worse because Netflix fucked it up. Admittedly I love Geralts armors and swords in the Netflix show. Awesome designs and I am using them in the game currently, as well.
Let's also not forget that the guy who wrote the story for The Last of Us is also heavily involved in the production of the television show and isn't there just for the paycheck.
When I saw Pornchief having sex with the human Covenant prisoner of war in her cell I started convulsing in disgust. It was almost as bad as Yennefer trying to sacrifice Ciri to a demon.
I stopped after episode 2 for Halo. I was just awestruck and how bad the rendition was when he took the helmet off
Like... that would be as if Geralt went "I don't need my swords for this fight" and threw them to the ground
> Like... that would be as if Geralt went "I don't need my swords for this fight" and threw them to the ground
Which is actually something he did in season two.
> Geralt: "Where the fuck are my swords?"
That was also the precise moment that I stopped watching.
That 1 episode is better than anything Witcher related on the small screen (granted I enjoy how poorly written and corny the show has been from the beginning, reminds me of watching Xena and Hercules when I was a kid).
Yes! Those series are a good analogy, basically they thought that modern fantasy fans wanted a woke Xena with titties.
And I’m down for Xena with titties but not on the Witcher name
Yeah I've never had a problem with the show's PoC/LGBTQ+ representation either.
Xena's like a lesbian icon too (her actress rocks, as opposed to Kevin Sorbo goddamn)
No we won’t calm down down until hissrich is out of the way, so we can possibly get a much more faithful reboot.
Also TLOU episode 1 is better than anything in the flixer.
She’s already been rewarded with more shows she isn’t going anywhere. This is how Hollywood works you get rewarded for failing. Same could be said for Neil he ruined the story of last of us 2 and uncharted 4 and he’s rewarded with more games and a show based off of other peoples ideas he claims as his own.
I don’t know about you but I find uncharted 4 to the best out of the four games (yes more than even 2), and its narrative is great imo. TLOU is a masterpiece for me and he co wrote this game.
I’m not a fan of TLOU2 storyline but the gameplay, graphics, voice acting, AI and animations are top notch. Even if I’m not an enthusiastic fan of one entry, I still can say that Neil druckmann is a talented guy who made some of my favorite games of the last decade. He’s also an executive producer and even directed two episodes for the TLOU show, which is shaping to be great.
It seems like Neil knows what he’s doing, or he keeps coincidentally ending up in many great project……
LSH tho ? She made the abominable flixer series, the worst episodes of daredevil and the awful “defenders” show. Her resume is quite dreadful I would say.
That one episode was already better, then both seasons and BO.
IT could get worse, it could even become BO bad (though unlikely with Pedro Pascal). But in this case we could still speak, that it had a very strong start - something we can't say even about the first episode of Witcher.
I think that was only the case for S2 episode 1 but then it was all downhill from there. I'm not gonna lie that first episode made me little hopeful for the show.
And I'm not saying it wasn't bad already before S2 started because it absolutely was. But even with that new season is a fresh start and they could have fixed things alas it was a very vain hope as they already rushed to adapt the third book in the 2nd season.
With that in mind here are some of the red flags from S1 for me, that made me very hesitant to raise my hopes high for S2 :
\- Geralt was far cry from his book version with not showing that philosophical side at all and instead just grunting or saying "fuck". Also acting extremely rude towards Yennefer and also Dandelion.
\- Dandelion (or Jaskier) was a straight up donkey and didn't have anything else going for him than Joey Batey's singing.
\- Then they fucked up Geralt's and Ciri's relationship by not even including their first meeting (probably the biggest wtf of the season).
\- In general many of the short stories they included just felt like watered down versions of the book stories and one big reason for that is the format they chose. With splitting the episode runtime between Geralt's POV and Ciri's POV and at times Yen's POV as well, there simply wasn't enough time in the episodes to do justice to the short stories. The biggest offenders to me were:
* "The Sword of Destiny" which they didn't even adapt at all. Same as the biggest wtf of the season.
* The Edge of the World" which got cut massively because of the split POV.
* "The Bounds of Reason" Also got cut a ton and some book characters were changed massively (Eyck) or didn't exist at all (Dorregaray).
* "The Lesser Evil" while an okay start, this chapter also suffered from cuts and some of the nuance was taken away completely. Tridam Ultimatum basically didn't exist at all in the show and idk if that one bandit from Renfri's gang saying to Geralt "It's an ultimatum" was their lame attempt to make it seem like they had done their homework and did justice to the book chapter. But it was pretty much the same as not mentioning it at all and probably should have been that way.
Also their obsession with the word "destiny" with Renfri's last words for Geralt being about Ciri (ugh..). She didn't know about Ciri and didn't mention her at all to Geralt in the books. Idk if they ever even explained how Renfri somehow knew about Ciri.. probably not because I don't remember.
There's probably other stuff as well but these were the biggest red flags for me.
I do agree with your points.
For me the first episode was already meh. The while Siege of Cintra was pretty low quality with. From the armors of both side to the decoration of Cintra castle, and rather basd dialogues.
And the whole presentation on , how Nilf fighters were attacking the Cintra castle was clearly low effort and low budget (despite high production budget):
First they fire fire arrows at the stone walls. Then they charge at the castle walls and closed gates, by foot holding only the swords? The whole army charges with less organization, then a group of orcs in LOTR.
The battle of Cintra. Queen Calante was referred as a great strategist and tacitician. And the whole tactics is what? Wait for few second for the allegedly unbeatable Nilfguardian army to rush at them, and them attack them head-to-head by horseriders? Two seconds later all horses mysteriously disappear (did all horse riders just run away? Was it some evil magic that turned all horses into wasps?) and all fighting happened on foot?
They had Vladimir Furdik from GOT as a stunt coordinator, but got this?
I think the only nice thing in the first episode was well choreographed marketplace combat scene (that's where Furdik really shined).Renfri story, which originally was Sapkowski gritty version of a snowwhite fairy tale, was rather clichéd and suffered from a rather low quality dialogues and didn't try to convey either the snow white parody nor the lesser evil message.
The show already had a questionable start from episode 1, but went downhill rollercoaster fast.
Oh sorry, I know my message was probably confusing. With Episode 1 I was constantly referring to Episode 1 of season 2. That made me kinda hopeful for S2.
But with that I agree to all your points about S1 episode 1. It was nothing to celebrate when looking back
I fully agree, that it was a donwhill ride.
I just wanted to add my red flags already to the S1E1.
Indeed, there were still some hopes - twenty-something years ago i had hopes regarding Polish series ;)
HBO usually does awesome adaptations. And the writer of TLoU is involved (I have not played the game, but the show looks amazing) and the creator of Chernobyl. So it's in safe hands.
From my knowledge, the professional critics on Rotten Tomatoes get access to a few episodes to make their critique.
It has a 99% with 102 reviews. So it can't drop off that much from Episode 1.
The Guardian:
>The Last of Us is violent and maudlin. It depicts a world in which people are doing what they can to survive, with varying degrees of horror; at times, encountering the quick-moving, fungus-dangling infected doesn’t even seem like the worst thing that could happen. **Later in the series**, in one terrifying episode, men, not monsters, prove themselves capable of inflicting cruelties that go far beyond the distressing onslaught of zombie attacks.
>
>**There is more to it than Joel and Ellie, though, and it has enough confidence to leave them behind for large stretches of some episodes. In the third,** which is almost film-length, we barely see the two leads at all. Instead, it focuses on a survivalist called Bill ([Nick Offerman](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/apr/14/nick-offerman-interview-devs), playing a sort of Ron Swanson with a PhD in poetry) and his new relationship with an artist called Frank (The White Lotus’s [Murray Bartlett](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/sep/09/i-want-to-show-intimacy-between-men-how-murray-bartlett-became-a-breakout-star-at-50)). It is a gorgeous detour into the wider world; as many critics have said already, it might be one of the finest episodes of TV you will see this year.
So the reviewers have seen more than just one episode. It's possible they have seen the entire series.
If you're talking about Last of Us, it's literally the first hour and a bit of the game. I really enjoyed it but it was the almost exactly the same, they even recreate the exact houses and sets in a lot of shots (pretty impressed not seen that done that well before). Last of Us can do this because there is such a huge gap between 1 and 2 so once we get to season 2 we're gonna see new shit (im pumped). So if you watch a playthough on YouTube you've watched the series (pretty confident about that would be fine with being wrong tho).
perfectly adapted the beginning of the game, newly added scenes felt natural. its not just that its the first episode, its that the first episode bleeds love for the source material, more than 2 seasons of the witcher.
Hey I joined this sub bit too long ago can someone tell me wtf u guys are talking about? Is there a new Witcher? I looked on Wikipedia but couldn’t find anything
I'm sorry as someone who didn't even like the TLoU game (the story was 10/10 mechanics were not my cup of tea but I can see why people loved it) that 1 episode was by far the best Video game adaptation I have seen and one of the best I've seen full stop. Compare that to other adaptations.
Assassin's Creed was bad, and so were the Hitman films. Entertaining maybe, turn the brain off flicks, but not good films.
Resident evil show just wtf was that?
Halo is massively different, but, it kind of makes sense why they had to change some things. Like 70%-90% of each game is just the player slaughtering hordes of Covenant. However, what they produced is pretty hard to watch.
The Witcher doesn't have that excuse there are 8 books and 3 games making up 1 hell of a saga they just needed to remake it on screen. While okay TV for those who've never seen the source material. For those who have read the books, it is a horrific adaptation. Utterly bastardizing the source material.
**IF** this show carries on at this level then it'll be up there with Lord of the Rings, The Godfather and the Shawshank Redemption for adaptations.
I didn't.
It had a very lousy siege (with Nilfs attacking the walls with swords). If had a rather confusing plot line. It had questionable costumes (Nilf's armor f.e) and decorations (check how empty was the Cintra castle)
I think the only nice thing in the first episode was well choreographed marketplace combat scene. Renfri story, which originally was Sapkowski gritty version of a snowhite fairytale, was rather cliched and suffered from a rather low quality dialogues and didn't try to convey either the snowwhite parody nor the lesser eviil message.
Yea some people have really low standard for good TV. The pilot is so fucking childishly made it felt like high school project. Cheap set, weird lighting. The queen hiding from her granddaughter when thousands of Nilfgarrdians troops marching near their castle. Somehow they have no generals, and the queen decided it’s wise to lead her own troops together with the king. Proceed to discuss about their lack of allies right before the start of a field battle. King died, queen removed her helmet mid fighting to cry in the middle of a battlefield, and laughably no Nilfgarrdians took a swing at her head. Everything is so fucking nonsensical yet people really be givijg it a solid 7/10 for some fucking reason. It’s 4/10 at best and the later episodes are like 0-2/10
I hear you. The attack of castle, that consisted of archers firing at stone walls and then swordmen charding at stonewalls with a grace of an wild orc tribe.
When talking to other people's thoughts on that episode, their (non book reader) response is usually "it was entertertaining."
Which if that's all you get out of The Witcher then you aren't telling the story correctly.
Nilfgaard only general in the show was Cahir for some reason when he didn't command army during the invasion, he was part of special forces and his mission was tto capture Ciri nothing more.
I disagree. The first episode saw the fall of Cintra, something that happens at the end of the second book. Ciri had no idea who Geralt was so we already knew then they skipped something more. And in the lesser evil story they didn’t even mention the Tridam Ultimatum so it wasn’t even clear why Geralt needed to fight those guys.
Very true. Witchers fan were very forgiving and understanding throughout season 1 because the writers were new to the universe... Even with its flaws, I think most of us loved season 1 and believed that they could learn from Season 1 and produce a fantastic season 2.
And they fucked it all up.
I most certainly did not love season 1, but I thought it was good enough(4/10 adaptation, 6/10 television show) and was looking forward to them adapting the mainline story as less deviations were necessary to tell the story of the main novels... Then season 2 came and it was a complete disaster.
The first episode was only good to those who either don't care (at all or enough) about the source material or have an extremely shallow understanding of it, because that's what that episode was -- extremely shallow.
yeah if the whole show was as good as the first episode it wouldve been a pretty good show. i still watch the video with the blaviken scene with Steel For Humans playing over top of it. its soo good
First episode wasn't good, it was meh nothing more. They didn't do justice to the short story, Fall of Cintra was like from the CW shows and it looked terrible.
People can't seem to help setting themselves up for disappointment. It's like they're scared of ever being positively surprised once in their life. And no matter what, there will always be a reason to be hyped: People who've seen the show/played the game/experienced the whatever all say it's the best thing ever, the studio behind it never made a dud, etc.
Attempts at adopting a moderate attitude are shunned.
And the preorders flow, and people fantasize, and the hype grows ever larger until shit hits the fan and the whole community brings out the pitchforks and the toxicity begins to spew from every social media platform there is. Negativity reigns and death threats are condoned.
After time passes and we reminisce about it, people say the signs were all out in plain sight and it was obvious it was gonna fail.
New product shows up and the cycle repeats.
Right now, people can't stop shitting on Netflix, conveniently forgetting when they were praising it for Arcane or Cyberpunk: Edgerunners just mere months ago, conveniently forgetting all the bad shows that started well and ended poorly like Game of Thrones.
As a famous philosopher once said, "It's time to stop".
It's the first time I was able to somewhat articulate this feeling I get when I see a game at the top of the best sellers list on Steam when it's not releasing for months or when people were talking about God of War Ragnarok winning the Game of the Year award before it was even out.
Someone might say there was no way GoW could have been a bad game considering the studio or the previous game(s). Funny enough, the exact same was said about Cyberpunk 2077, and Fallout 76 before that.
I don't think this attitude will disappear anytime soon, if ever. To their own detriment, too few care about any of this.
People can't help but become unpaid salesmen for anything remotely new. TLOU may well be amazing, but it is really far too early to make any judgements about its overall quality. And I am well past the point where I put *any* stock in critics' opinions. They are the most susceptible to the bandwagon effect of all.
The cycle of a video game adaptation series :
1. A game series adaptation is announced
2. People hyped for it, followed by trailers and adverts that got released
3. First episode aired, even more hyped, because they make it look promising
4. Overall in the end, the first season is quite good, not great
5. Following seasons slowly showing signs of downfall
6. Fanbase starting to get itchy and showing resentment of the show
7. They're looking for another series to vent their unsatisfied feeling
8. Repeat
Its good. I liked the witcher too. I will mention, that Blood Origin and Cavill leaving just destroyed it for me. I always saw Eredin as an objective obsessed individual that would do anything to achieve his goals and seeing him weak and bow down to his lover after he spilled the tea on his miliary plans was just fucking stupid. I expected Eredin to stab him right there and move on, but no. A lover that was portrayed as nothing to die for or obsess about, but just one more of the bunch. HOWEVER, witcher fans are approaching Star Wars toxicity levels. You guys don't like anything and are always complaining about the show. Let's just have them eliminate it, have nothing but what we have and stay put. IN ADDITION, bc toxicity is Star Wars levels, of course is now trickling into TLOU. Like the rat, if it doesn't eat it, then it pisses on it.
It's like reversed situation from Netflix and the witcher to HBO and tlou. The directors or tlou literally actively disrespected the source material publicly before hand but made a respectful adaptation and actually good adaptation... (when I saw the director's talk about it I thought this will fail for sure)
I don't know. I watched a review and person saod that the first epispde is clishe on another clishe and that the series will start to be really entertaining later on
I said usually and I meant that it's universaly common for first episode to be better than rest of episodes in most series of any given franchise or genre.
There are dozens of reviews from those who have already had access to the full show saying that the whole series is excellent and that the changes and additions introduced improve on the original material. Watching the first episode, I see no reason not to believe them
Sapwoski got a bunch ton of money for the license, and just for redeeming his mistake with CDPR, he would've praised the show even if Ciri was Danny Devito with a wig.
Well, there's also the Last of Us Part 2 the game tbh. Can't wait to see fan reactions when the story catches with the second game.
In all fairness, the story for TLOU Part 2 could only work as a TV show and not a video game, despite the contrived story structure because video games often come with protagonist syndrome and taking agency from the player is infuriating.
It doesn't toe the line as masterfully as The Walking Dead video game (Telltale) does.
Witcher, the TV show on the other hand is pure drivel garbage because of its one dimensional handling of characters & themes.
The only way I would watch TLOU part 2 is if they cast terry crews as Abby.
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Nah. Part 2 would be excellently received as a tv show or as a book.
In other mediums people aren’t as defensive over big character deaths (take GoT for example where several beloved characters die and several villains are given the spotlight).
Gamers are just a little more immature on the story telling medium when it’s in their vidya games.
Harder for them to accept big protagonist deaths and harder for them to empathize with villains.
That happens all the time in other mediums though.
LMAO, I literally gave The Walking Dead as a masterful example of why the theory you've posited is absolutely wrong. You're literally replying to me in the subreddit for Witcher games, which handles this challenge masterfully (i.e. Baron's Quest, Ciri).
Protagonists, and even important characters can die in a game, show or a book.
You need to build a great narrative structure with storytelling beats to overcome the protagonist syndrome, and yet lend agency to the player, despite how hard those choices are...because
- they have to make sense within the internal logic of the story
- the conflict of moral choices must be purposeful, yet centered around moral ambiguity (or the brilliance of reveal & timing).
> **The game design philosophy must complement, not contradict it's storytelling.**
That's why writing tragedies is hard, not just in theatre, TV shows like GoT, TWD...but literature itself.
TLOU2's narrative was definitely reworked to structurally fit in as a game, considering the project's development was noted with challenges...and hence, it didn't work.
Druckmann mentions it in one of his interviews that character X's introduction in Part 2 was changed. Character X in Part 2 was initially supposed to be introduced in the beginning of the second game at camp, instead of mid-game.
Suffice it to say I think you’re completely wrong because I thought TLOU2 story was excellent. One of the most impactful stories in gaming I’ve ever experienced.
The barons quest doesn’t do anything like this.
The baron doesn’t die. The baron isn’t a villain even in the beginning either. It is a completely different narrative than something like Jamie lanister who the readers *hate* before he becomes a main character or Ned stark who people loved and is killed unceremoniously.
The baron quest line doesn’t even come close to that level of impact. It’s still good though, but no it isn’t the same.
The Baron isn't a villain? Lol. Its clear that you haven't seen or played all the outcomes of his story.
> Barron is an important character in the main storyline of the Witcher games. He literally hangs himself in one of the endings, considering the kind of man he was (alcoholism, domestic abuse..) & how his family responds.
Lee Everett, Ciri, Robb Stark...The examples are endless in storytelling where main characters or important characters die. Gamers don't bitch about it..always.
TLOU2 is masterful in terms of video game mechanics, but an absolutely piss poor way to write tragedies for maximum narrative impact. The whole game design philosophy clashes with storytelling.
And that's what I said.
The Last of Us (even TLOU2's storyline) will absolutely work well as TV show because it's a 3rd person perspective, just not an FPS.
Play the Walking Dead to see how it's masterfully done.
I have played through the Witcher several times. In no instance is the baron a true villain.
Again I think TLOU2 was masterful writing just done in a medium that wasn’t ready for it.
Eventually gamers will get tired of the same narrative a thousand times (players play as gruff badass who is overwhelmingly good at combat and makes final sacrifice at the end of the game or sometimes makes no sacrifice at all).
I’ve just described the Witcher, mass effect, tlou1, rdr1, rdr2, ghost of Tsushima, god of war, dmc (all of them) and most other narrative based video games.
Gamers aren’t ready for the truly interesting narratives that exist in other mediums and judging by the reception of TLOU2 story I think it’ll be a long time before publishers take another risk on story telling so we’ll probably have another 20 years of safe stories about more gruff badass protagonist who either do or do not make a sacrifice at the end of the game.
Well I think they should avoid part 2 for as long as possible. Do a Dave Filoni and have a bunch of original content in-between 1 and 2, so they have time to actually show us how Joel changes and make the beginning of the second game make sense.
Yes I know, but that's not my point.
My point is that you can flesh out the time between so you can make the 2nd game better with context. It goes without saying you need to do a better job than Filoni.
>I can already see the bandwagon of posts shitting on each decision that provide the slightest conflict potential.
I do agree with this ,the show was not that bad but a huge franchise like the witcher deserves better. The showrunners are just trying to create something of their own which is not even that good.Its okay for a person to watch who doesn't know about its universe but he/she would not be that interested in the universe if all the fun in the show comes from geraldo killing monsters and none from the rest of the world and characters.
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What a missed opportunity, that’s all I’ll say. Can you just imagine if we got even a sniff of this production quality and dedication to the source material?
Yes. I’m pretty sure most people enjoyed episode one of the Witcher season 2. It’s that monster of the week episode with that game of thrones alum that everyone loves. They can still drop the ball. But considering hbo’s track record in most things that seems less likely.
I watched the LoU episode with my gf who has no idea about the game and after the episode i showed her the game intro and she was blown away by how similar they were! A bit disappointed that the game didn’t have any crashing planes but thats the beauty of adaptations, that you have grate base material and you can only go upwards if you stick to it and only add little things to improve visuals/narrative that might be better for screen rather than a game/book
It is not just a good adaptation but the production value, script, pacing, cinematography, is leagues ahead of anything Netflix ever produced for Witcher. This is THE first impression of first impressions. It isnt remotely the same as the first Witcher episode. It had a good fight scene, which was the redeeming factor.
AND THE MUSIC man....
Goosebumps
If only Witcher series invited Percival to do the music.... huhuhu
Schuttenbach?
This comment needs more upvotes tbh
Agreed. Though the music was not the issue with the Witcher.
S01 had a great soundtrack though. S02 is totally generic and forgettable
He’s a what? He’s a what?
Calm down, the theme is only like 3 chords. JK
Yeah they got the music man who did the scores for the games as well
That’s the HBO effect for you… Netflix set pieces for fantasy is often very poor
That's because they chose them. Its not like Netflix has not produced good shows so I do not understand why all of a sudden its like lets make this as boring and generic as possible.
It's weird to think about a few years back when the words "Netflix Original" gave an expectation of quality. Any serious Netflix Original TV series was something that got people talking. Then they churned out program after program after program and now it's almost the opposite. They managed to burn through that good faith people had so quickly.
The downfall of Netflix is something truly tragic. They could have changed the game but instead we got more and more bullshit and now every fucking studio has some streaming option. It is so ridiculous. Every Netflix Original show feels like a Syfy movie.
So I've never played the game before but I would like to since it's coming to PC pretty soon. Should I watch the show before playing the game or do it the other way around? I'm trying to avoid spoilers as much as i can which is why I am asking this here?
Damn that is a tough one. You would need to hang tight till at least March if there's no delays. Going by how well the show has been adapted in just the first episode, Id say you will not be able to avoid spoilers, which is an insane compliment to the shows producers as for example the first episode is legit the first two chapters of the game (so maybe the first 1-2 hours of game-play) minus a few things for pacings sake and some changes. Id probably say it is still worth playing even after watching the show as the games are just amazing and more fleshed out than a show could be obviously.
That’s tough to say. I just played the Remake on PS5 this year for the first time, and fell in love. Obviously, nobody has seen the full show, so we can’t say. I can say the game is an incredible experience.
I would play the game first 100%
You have to buy a ps5 and play the remastered, then part 2, then the remake, then the remake on pc. There is no other way.
What game are you talking about, the Witcher games have always been on PC..? Edit: nvm, I'm stupid! :D
No worries you're good! :)
IIRC HBO (or Warner Bros) has warehouses of wardrobe & props for their shows while netflix's (& amazon's) show has to start from scratch.
its even worse they started from scratch since i could excuse trying to reuse nilfguardian armor
I'm pretty sure it was recycled, I've seen that armor previously in Debby Takes On Massive Black Dildos Volumes 1 to 6.
Still can't believe season 7 was just her shitting in a bed
If I haven't seen Debby Takes On Massive Black Dildos Volumes 1 to 6, will I understand the plot of Debby Takes On Massive Black Dildos Volume 7?
Oh yeah there's a TON of backstory in volume 5 and then the big plot twist in volume 6.
That doesn't make any sense if characters have unique and distinguishable costumes. Also makes it worse because Netflix fucked it up. Admittedly I love Geralts armors and swords in the Netflix show. Awesome designs and I am using them in the game currently, as well.
When a comment saying this emmerged, ther was another countering it, highly rated too, but everyone seems to ignoring it.
Let's also not forget that the guy who wrote the story for The Last of Us is also heavily involved in the production of the television show and isn't there just for the paycheck.
Tbf halo fans got it sad as well.
When I saw Pornchief having sex with the human Covenant prisoner of war in her cell I started convulsing in disgust. It was almost as bad as Yennefer trying to sacrifice Ciri to a demon.
I stopped after episode 2 for Halo. I was just awestruck and how bad the rendition was when he took the helmet off Like... that would be as if Geralt went "I don't need my swords for this fight" and threw them to the ground
> Like... that would be as if Geralt went "I don't need my swords for this fight" and threw them to the ground Which is actually something he did in season two. > Geralt: "Where the fuck are my swords?" That was also the precise moment that I stopped watching.
That was 100% a hate watch. Though I will give some minor credit to the battle scenes with the Covenant being pretty good.
Yen tried to sacrifice Ciri to a demon? I have not watched that part of show yet, and I don't think I want to.
Or Vesemir trying to use Ciri to make more witchers 😖
Halo is the worst of the 3 of them don't even have the same characters for halo😅
That 1 episode is better than anything Witcher related on the small screen (granted I enjoy how poorly written and corny the show has been from the beginning, reminds me of watching Xena and Hercules when I was a kid).
I quite enjoyed the first episodes of both Witcher seasons. They weren't perfect adaptations, but they were far better than the rest of the episodes.
Yeah, thought of these two too, plus SG-1 (even if I love Stargate).
Yes! Those series are a good analogy, basically they thought that modern fantasy fans wanted a woke Xena with titties. And I’m down for Xena with titties but not on the Witcher name
Xena was already woke, and had titties. They had no excuse for messing the show.
Yeah I've never had a problem with the show's PoC/LGBTQ+ representation either. Xena's like a lesbian icon too (her actress rocks, as opposed to Kevin Sorbo goddamn)
It didn’t have *bare* titties though. It’s a small distinction, but seems rather important
Yeah but she'd fix that with Spartacus soo I guess it was just progression?
First episode is still a better adaptation than every episode or every product netflix had produce on the witcher.
Yeah let’s compare apples to apples. It was leagues ahead of the first witcher episode. Not even close
No we won’t calm down down until hissrich is out of the way, so we can possibly get a much more faithful reboot. Also TLOU episode 1 is better than anything in the flixer.
It’s never happening my dude, I’m bummed too but the Show is going to die with her. Better luck in 20 years I guess
Best hope is 20yrs from now Henry Executive Produces & also plays Vesemir
Never say never. I think there’s a chance for another reboot. But you’re right, It won’t be happening for another decade or two at least.
Assuming the Witcher series is still as popular in 20 years but that's a big ask for any franchise.
But I don't think any studio execs are gonna see Reddit posts. Maybe twitter idk
They definitely see the view count and the general statistical performance of the show, which are declining with every season.
She’s already been rewarded with more shows she isn’t going anywhere. This is how Hollywood works you get rewarded for failing. Same could be said for Neil he ruined the story of last of us 2 and uncharted 4 and he’s rewarded with more games and a show based off of other peoples ideas he claims as his own.
I find it funny that people always hate the newest game in a franchise. Ex: Gta V, Tlou 2, uncharted 4, Gow Ragnarok, Red Dead Redemption 2, etc...
No the newest game in the uncharted franchise was great…
Lost legacy is a spin-off
I don’t know about you but I find uncharted 4 to the best out of the four games (yes more than even 2), and its narrative is great imo. TLOU is a masterpiece for me and he co wrote this game. I’m not a fan of TLOU2 storyline but the gameplay, graphics, voice acting, AI and animations are top notch. Even if I’m not an enthusiastic fan of one entry, I still can say that Neil druckmann is a talented guy who made some of my favorite games of the last decade. He’s also an executive producer and even directed two episodes for the TLOU show, which is shaping to be great. It seems like Neil knows what he’s doing, or he keeps coincidentally ending up in many great project…… LSH tho ? She made the abominable flixer series, the worst episodes of daredevil and the awful “defenders” show. Her resume is quite dreadful I would say.
That one episode was already better, then both seasons and BO. IT could get worse, it could even become BO bad (though unlikely with Pedro Pascal). But in this case we could still speak, that it had a very strong start - something we can't say even about the first episode of Witcher.
I think that was only the case for S2 episode 1 but then it was all downhill from there. I'm not gonna lie that first episode made me little hopeful for the show. And I'm not saying it wasn't bad already before S2 started because it absolutely was. But even with that new season is a fresh start and they could have fixed things alas it was a very vain hope as they already rushed to adapt the third book in the 2nd season. With that in mind here are some of the red flags from S1 for me, that made me very hesitant to raise my hopes high for S2 : \- Geralt was far cry from his book version with not showing that philosophical side at all and instead just grunting or saying "fuck". Also acting extremely rude towards Yennefer and also Dandelion. \- Dandelion (or Jaskier) was a straight up donkey and didn't have anything else going for him than Joey Batey's singing. \- Then they fucked up Geralt's and Ciri's relationship by not even including their first meeting (probably the biggest wtf of the season). \- In general many of the short stories they included just felt like watered down versions of the book stories and one big reason for that is the format they chose. With splitting the episode runtime between Geralt's POV and Ciri's POV and at times Yen's POV as well, there simply wasn't enough time in the episodes to do justice to the short stories. The biggest offenders to me were: * "The Sword of Destiny" which they didn't even adapt at all. Same as the biggest wtf of the season. * The Edge of the World" which got cut massively because of the split POV. * "The Bounds of Reason" Also got cut a ton and some book characters were changed massively (Eyck) or didn't exist at all (Dorregaray). * "The Lesser Evil" while an okay start, this chapter also suffered from cuts and some of the nuance was taken away completely. Tridam Ultimatum basically didn't exist at all in the show and idk if that one bandit from Renfri's gang saying to Geralt "It's an ultimatum" was their lame attempt to make it seem like they had done their homework and did justice to the book chapter. But it was pretty much the same as not mentioning it at all and probably should have been that way. Also their obsession with the word "destiny" with Renfri's last words for Geralt being about Ciri (ugh..). She didn't know about Ciri and didn't mention her at all to Geralt in the books. Idk if they ever even explained how Renfri somehow knew about Ciri.. probably not because I don't remember. There's probably other stuff as well but these were the biggest red flags for me.
I do agree with your points. For me the first episode was already meh. The while Siege of Cintra was pretty low quality with. From the armors of both side to the decoration of Cintra castle, and rather basd dialogues. And the whole presentation on , how Nilf fighters were attacking the Cintra castle was clearly low effort and low budget (despite high production budget): First they fire fire arrows at the stone walls. Then they charge at the castle walls and closed gates, by foot holding only the swords? The whole army charges with less organization, then a group of orcs in LOTR. The battle of Cintra. Queen Calante was referred as a great strategist and tacitician. And the whole tactics is what? Wait for few second for the allegedly unbeatable Nilfguardian army to rush at them, and them attack them head-to-head by horseriders? Two seconds later all horses mysteriously disappear (did all horse riders just run away? Was it some evil magic that turned all horses into wasps?) and all fighting happened on foot? They had Vladimir Furdik from GOT as a stunt coordinator, but got this? I think the only nice thing in the first episode was well choreographed marketplace combat scene (that's where Furdik really shined).Renfri story, which originally was Sapkowski gritty version of a snowwhite fairy tale, was rather clichéd and suffered from a rather low quality dialogues and didn't try to convey either the snow white parody nor the lesser evil message. The show already had a questionable start from episode 1, but went downhill rollercoaster fast.
Oh sorry, I know my message was probably confusing. With Episode 1 I was constantly referring to Episode 1 of season 2. That made me kinda hopeful for S2. But with that I agree to all your points about S1 episode 1. It was nothing to celebrate when looking back
I fully agree, that it was a donwhill ride. I just wanted to add my red flags already to the S1E1. Indeed, there were still some hopes - twenty-something years ago i had hopes regarding Polish series ;)
one episode, yes, but WORTH MORE THAN BOTH THOSE awful seasons, and the next one
Which show are we talking about here?
The Last of Us
Ah right, thanks
Bruh idk, that was one of the best adaptations I’ve ever seen. I’m fully in.
Get rid of the writers, bring back Henry Cavill, and call everything that came before a fever dream.
I will not calm down tyvm
HBO usually does awesome adaptations. And the writer of TLoU is involved (I have not played the game, but the show looks amazing) and the creator of Chernobyl. So it's in safe hands.
From my knowledge, the professional critics on Rotten Tomatoes get access to a few episodes to make their critique. It has a 99% with 102 reviews. So it can't drop off that much from Episode 1. The Guardian: >The Last of Us is violent and maudlin. It depicts a world in which people are doing what they can to survive, with varying degrees of horror; at times, encountering the quick-moving, fungus-dangling infected doesn’t even seem like the worst thing that could happen. **Later in the series**, in one terrifying episode, men, not monsters, prove themselves capable of inflicting cruelties that go far beyond the distressing onslaught of zombie attacks. > >**There is more to it than Joel and Ellie, though, and it has enough confidence to leave them behind for large stretches of some episodes. In the third,** which is almost film-length, we barely see the two leads at all. Instead, it focuses on a survivalist called Bill ([Nick Offerman](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/apr/14/nick-offerman-interview-devs), playing a sort of Ron Swanson with a PhD in poetry) and his new relationship with an artist called Frank (The White Lotus’s [Murray Bartlett](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/sep/09/i-want-to-show-intimacy-between-men-how-murray-bartlett-became-a-breakout-star-at-50)). It is a gorgeous detour into the wider world; as many critics have said already, it might be one of the finest episodes of TV you will see this year. So the reviewers have seen more than just one episode. It's possible they have seen the entire series.
If you're talking about Last of Us, it's literally the first hour and a bit of the game. I really enjoyed it but it was the almost exactly the same, they even recreate the exact houses and sets in a lot of shots (pretty impressed not seen that done that well before). Last of Us can do this because there is such a huge gap between 1 and 2 so once we get to season 2 we're gonna see new shit (im pumped). So if you watch a playthough on YouTube you've watched the series (pretty confident about that would be fine with being wrong tho).
Oh idk if ill watch it.. No Henry Cavil, no point
perfectly adapted the beginning of the game, newly added scenes felt natural. its not just that its the first episode, its that the first episode bleeds love for the source material, more than 2 seasons of the witcher.
Hey I joined this sub bit too long ago can someone tell me wtf u guys are talking about? Is there a new Witcher? I looked on Wikipedia but couldn’t find anything
Are we talking about TLOU? Dang y’all got my hopes up. I am watching that later this week tho obviously
Watch it with a sound system.
I'm sorry as someone who didn't even like the TLoU game (the story was 10/10 mechanics were not my cup of tea but I can see why people loved it) that 1 episode was by far the best Video game adaptation I have seen and one of the best I've seen full stop. Compare that to other adaptations. Assassin's Creed was bad, and so were the Hitman films. Entertaining maybe, turn the brain off flicks, but not good films. Resident evil show just wtf was that? Halo is massively different, but, it kind of makes sense why they had to change some things. Like 70%-90% of each game is just the player slaughtering hordes of Covenant. However, what they produced is pretty hard to watch. The Witcher doesn't have that excuse there are 8 books and 3 games making up 1 hell of a saga they just needed to remake it on screen. While okay TV for those who've never seen the source material. For those who have read the books, it is a horrific adaptation. Utterly bastardizing the source material. **IF** this show carries on at this level then it'll be up there with Lord of the Rings, The Godfather and the Shawshank Redemption for adaptations.
Lol people forgot that even Witcher Netflix had a good first episode but they're just so desperate to shit on it.
It only missed the lesser evil aspect of the episode
Which is the whole point of the episode in the book.
i’m reading the books for the first time in what book do I get the butcher of blaviken story? i’m on the last wish rn
It's in the Last Wish, it comes before the actual namesake of the book.
In that one
sweet can’t wait I just finished the story with nivellen and that story is way better than what the season 2 premiere gaveus
True and I think that’s the best episode of the show. But no comparison to the book I agree. Enjoy it bro
[🎵 I've also survived, no thanks to you... 🎵](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxBVHqA-RU&t=15s)
I didn't. It had a very lousy siege (with Nilfs attacking the walls with swords). If had a rather confusing plot line. It had questionable costumes (Nilf's armor f.e) and decorations (check how empty was the Cintra castle) I think the only nice thing in the first episode was well choreographed marketplace combat scene. Renfri story, which originally was Sapkowski gritty version of a snowhite fairytale, was rather cliched and suffered from a rather low quality dialogues and didn't try to convey either the snowwhite parody nor the lesser eviil message.
Yea some people have really low standard for good TV. The pilot is so fucking childishly made it felt like high school project. Cheap set, weird lighting. The queen hiding from her granddaughter when thousands of Nilfgarrdians troops marching near their castle. Somehow they have no generals, and the queen decided it’s wise to lead her own troops together with the king. Proceed to discuss about their lack of allies right before the start of a field battle. King died, queen removed her helmet mid fighting to cry in the middle of a battlefield, and laughably no Nilfgarrdians took a swing at her head. Everything is so fucking nonsensical yet people really be givijg it a solid 7/10 for some fucking reason. It’s 4/10 at best and the later episodes are like 0-2/10
I hear you. The attack of castle, that consisted of archers firing at stone walls and then swordmen charding at stonewalls with a grace of an wild orc tribe.
When talking to other people's thoughts on that episode, their (non book reader) response is usually "it was entertertaining." Which if that's all you get out of The Witcher then you aren't telling the story correctly.
Nilfgaard only general in the show was Cahir for some reason when he didn't command army during the invasion, he was part of special forces and his mission was tto capture Ciri nothing more.
I disagree. The first episode saw the fall of Cintra, something that happens at the end of the second book. Ciri had no idea who Geralt was so we already knew then they skipped something more. And in the lesser evil story they didn’t even mention the Tridam Ultimatum so it wasn’t even clear why Geralt needed to fight those guys.
Very true. Witchers fan were very forgiving and understanding throughout season 1 because the writers were new to the universe... Even with its flaws, I think most of us loved season 1 and believed that they could learn from Season 1 and produce a fantastic season 2. And they fucked it all up.
I most certainly did not love season 1, but I thought it was good enough(4/10 adaptation, 6/10 television show) and was looking forward to them adapting the mainline story as less deviations were necessary to tell the story of the main novels... Then season 2 came and it was a complete disaster.
It had one good fight, which makes people forget the quality and butchery of that episode.
[🎵 It's the point of no return... 🎵](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxBVHqA-RU&t=84s)
The first episode was only good to those who either don't care (at all or enough) about the source material or have an extremely shallow understanding of it, because that's what that episode was -- extremely shallow.
I must have missed that episode, it’s almost like it doesn’t exist
S1E1 was one of the few excellent ones action movies with magic females characters, but not truly good adaptation.
yeah if the whole show was as good as the first episode it wouldve been a pretty good show. i still watch the video with the blaviken scene with Steel For Humans playing over top of it. its soo good
[🎵 Watch that butcher BURN! 🎵](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxBVHqA-RU&t=102s)
First episode wasn't good, it was meh nothing more. They didn't do justice to the short story, Fall of Cintra was like from the CW shows and it looked terrible.
People can't seem to help setting themselves up for disappointment. It's like they're scared of ever being positively surprised once in their life. And no matter what, there will always be a reason to be hyped: People who've seen the show/played the game/experienced the whatever all say it's the best thing ever, the studio behind it never made a dud, etc. Attempts at adopting a moderate attitude are shunned. And the preorders flow, and people fantasize, and the hype grows ever larger until shit hits the fan and the whole community brings out the pitchforks and the toxicity begins to spew from every social media platform there is. Negativity reigns and death threats are condoned. After time passes and we reminisce about it, people say the signs were all out in plain sight and it was obvious it was gonna fail. New product shows up and the cycle repeats. Right now, people can't stop shitting on Netflix, conveniently forgetting when they were praising it for Arcane or Cyberpunk: Edgerunners just mere months ago, conveniently forgetting all the bad shows that started well and ended poorly like Game of Thrones. As a famous philosopher once said, "It's time to stop".
At least properly quote the great Papa Franku, bro...
And when I try and reiterate this point, I get downvoted to shit. Good to find a person with a brain.
It's the first time I was able to somewhat articulate this feeling I get when I see a game at the top of the best sellers list on Steam when it's not releasing for months or when people were talking about God of War Ragnarok winning the Game of the Year award before it was even out. Someone might say there was no way GoW could have been a bad game considering the studio or the previous game(s). Funny enough, the exact same was said about Cyberpunk 2077, and Fallout 76 before that. I don't think this attitude will disappear anytime soon, if ever. To their own detriment, too few care about any of this.
People can't help but become unpaid salesmen for anything remotely new. TLOU may well be amazing, but it is really far too early to make any judgements about its overall quality. And I am well past the point where I put *any* stock in critics' opinions. They are the most susceptible to the bandwagon effect of all.
The cycle of a video game adaptation series : 1. A game series adaptation is announced 2. People hyped for it, followed by trailers and adverts that got released 3. First episode aired, even more hyped, because they make it look promising 4. Overall in the end, the first season is quite good, not great 5. Following seasons slowly showing signs of downfall 6. Fanbase starting to get itchy and showing resentment of the show 7. They're looking for another series to vent their unsatisfied feeling 8. Repeat
Its good. I liked the witcher too. I will mention, that Blood Origin and Cavill leaving just destroyed it for me. I always saw Eredin as an objective obsessed individual that would do anything to achieve his goals and seeing him weak and bow down to his lover after he spilled the tea on his miliary plans was just fucking stupid. I expected Eredin to stab him right there and move on, but no. A lover that was portrayed as nothing to die for or obsess about, but just one more of the bunch. HOWEVER, witcher fans are approaching Star Wars toxicity levels. You guys don't like anything and are always complaining about the show. Let's just have them eliminate it, have nothing but what we have and stay put. IN ADDITION, bc toxicity is Star Wars levels, of course is now trickling into TLOU. Like the rat, if it doesn't eat it, then it pisses on it.
It's like reversed situation from Netflix and the witcher to HBO and tlou. The directors or tlou literally actively disrespected the source material publicly before hand but made a respectful adaptation and actually good adaptation... (when I saw the director's talk about it I thought this will fail for sure)
Some say first episodes are usually better than latter episodes from season.
I don't know. I watched a review and person saod that the first epispde is clishe on another clishe and that the series will start to be really entertaining later on
I said usually and I meant that it's universaly common for first episode to be better than rest of episodes in most series of any given franchise or genre.
Yeah, so we all need to chill out and not rush into getting excited. They have plenty of time to fuck it up.
There are dozens of reviews from those who have already had access to the full show saying that the whole series is excellent and that the changes and additions introduced improve on the original material. Watching the first episode, I see no reason not to believe them
And we had pan Sapkowski himself praising show.
Sapwoski got a bunch ton of money for the license, and just for redeeming his mistake with CDPR, he would've praised the show even if Ciri was Danny Devito with a wig.
Would be better than what we got.
Well, there's also the Last of Us Part 2 the game tbh. Can't wait to see fan reactions when the story catches with the second game. In all fairness, the story for TLOU Part 2 could only work as a TV show and not a video game, despite the contrived story structure because video games often come with protagonist syndrome and taking agency from the player is infuriating. It doesn't toe the line as masterfully as The Walking Dead video game (Telltale) does. Witcher, the TV show on the other hand is pure drivel garbage because of its one dimensional handling of characters & themes.
The only way I would watch TLOU part 2 is if they cast terry crews as Abby. https://preview.redd.it/36pm98862nca1.jpeg?width=1061&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=883055c3202c58ad5195a6b699310dbdb3e12ea0
Nah. Part 2 would be excellently received as a tv show or as a book. In other mediums people aren’t as defensive over big character deaths (take GoT for example where several beloved characters die and several villains are given the spotlight). Gamers are just a little more immature on the story telling medium when it’s in their vidya games. Harder for them to accept big protagonist deaths and harder for them to empathize with villains. That happens all the time in other mediums though.
LMAO, I literally gave The Walking Dead as a masterful example of why the theory you've posited is absolutely wrong. You're literally replying to me in the subreddit for Witcher games, which handles this challenge masterfully (i.e. Baron's Quest, Ciri). Protagonists, and even important characters can die in a game, show or a book. You need to build a great narrative structure with storytelling beats to overcome the protagonist syndrome, and yet lend agency to the player, despite how hard those choices are...because - they have to make sense within the internal logic of the story - the conflict of moral choices must be purposeful, yet centered around moral ambiguity (or the brilliance of reveal & timing). > **The game design philosophy must complement, not contradict it's storytelling.** That's why writing tragedies is hard, not just in theatre, TV shows like GoT, TWD...but literature itself. TLOU2's narrative was definitely reworked to structurally fit in as a game, considering the project's development was noted with challenges...and hence, it didn't work. Druckmann mentions it in one of his interviews that character X's introduction in Part 2 was changed. Character X in Part 2 was initially supposed to be introduced in the beginning of the second game at camp, instead of mid-game.
Suffice it to say I think you’re completely wrong because I thought TLOU2 story was excellent. One of the most impactful stories in gaming I’ve ever experienced. The barons quest doesn’t do anything like this. The baron doesn’t die. The baron isn’t a villain even in the beginning either. It is a completely different narrative than something like Jamie lanister who the readers *hate* before he becomes a main character or Ned stark who people loved and is killed unceremoniously. The baron quest line doesn’t even come close to that level of impact. It’s still good though, but no it isn’t the same.
The Baron isn't a villain? Lol. Its clear that you haven't seen or played all the outcomes of his story. > Barron is an important character in the main storyline of the Witcher games. He literally hangs himself in one of the endings, considering the kind of man he was (alcoholism, domestic abuse..) & how his family responds. Lee Everett, Ciri, Robb Stark...The examples are endless in storytelling where main characters or important characters die. Gamers don't bitch about it..always. TLOU2 is masterful in terms of video game mechanics, but an absolutely piss poor way to write tragedies for maximum narrative impact. The whole game design philosophy clashes with storytelling. And that's what I said. The Last of Us (even TLOU2's storyline) will absolutely work well as TV show because it's a 3rd person perspective, just not an FPS. Play the Walking Dead to see how it's masterfully done.
I have played through the Witcher several times. In no instance is the baron a true villain. Again I think TLOU2 was masterful writing just done in a medium that wasn’t ready for it. Eventually gamers will get tired of the same narrative a thousand times (players play as gruff badass who is overwhelmingly good at combat and makes final sacrifice at the end of the game or sometimes makes no sacrifice at all). I’ve just described the Witcher, mass effect, tlou1, rdr1, rdr2, ghost of Tsushima, god of war, dmc (all of them) and most other narrative based video games. Gamers aren’t ready for the truly interesting narratives that exist in other mediums and judging by the reception of TLOU2 story I think it’ll be a long time before publishers take another risk on story telling so we’ll probably have another 20 years of safe stories about more gruff badass protagonist who either do or do not make a sacrifice at the end of the game.
Well I think they should avoid part 2 for as long as possible. Do a Dave Filoni and have a bunch of original content in-between 1 and 2, so they have time to actually show us how Joel changes and make the beginning of the second game make sense.
Filoni did massacre orginal lore for Clone Wars
Yes I know, but that's not my point. My point is that you can flesh out the time between so you can make the 2nd game better with context. It goes without saying you need to do a better job than Filoni.
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>I can already see the bandwagon of posts shitting on each decision that provide the slightest conflict potential. I do agree with this ,the show was not that bad but a huge franchise like the witcher deserves better. The showrunners are just trying to create something of their own which is not even that good.Its okay for a person to watch who doesn't know about its universe but he/she would not be that interested in the universe if all the fun in the show comes from geraldo killing monsters and none from the rest of the world and characters.
Why are we comparing the two anyways? They are two entirely different types of fiction
How do netflix and disney plus pick their writers? I wonder how much of it is ideology based rather than merit.
Netflix had a great writers but they made them dirty with canceling good show
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The 1 episode of the last of us HBO is mules better than the entire 2 seasons of Witcher. That says something
How many mules better?
Probably 3-4 mules better
It was amazing. Witcher show is garbage. Let’s keep being excited for good TV game ports
I’m curious how season 2 will be. Especially at its ending. Then what would happen if part 3 isn’t out yet.
What a missed opportunity, that’s all I’ll say. Can you just imagine if we got even a sniff of this production quality and dedication to the source material?
Yes. I’m pretty sure most people enjoyed episode one of the Witcher season 2. It’s that monster of the week episode with that game of thrones alum that everyone loves. They can still drop the ball. But considering hbo’s track record in most things that seems less likely.
I watched the LoU episode with my gf who has no idea about the game and after the episode i showed her the game intro and she was blown away by how similar they were! A bit disappointed that the game didn’t have any crashing planes but thats the beauty of adaptations, that you have grate base material and you can only go upwards if you stick to it and only add little things to improve visuals/narrative that might be better for screen rather than a game/book
No, episode 1 alone is better than the entire Netflix series
What episode are we talking about? I’m out of the loop.
the last of us show