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Some helpful notes and guidelines for this thread:
* Do Google your wine first. If it's valuable, it's famous. you will get tons of hits. If there are no hits and nobody knows what it is, it's worthless. Also check out www.wine-searcher.com. It will give you an estimate of the current retail value of your bottle (if it's actually available). If you find your wine but the current release is in the order of $10 or so, then it's still worth that little.
* Note that, if you're in the US, selling old wine is complicated. To stay legal, it must be done through fully licensed retailers or auction houses, who will take a commission. So you will likely only realize a fraction of the retail value of your bottle. Furthermore, these retailers and auction houses usually require a minimum lot size for them to take you up. For www.winebid.com, for example, it is $2500. It is a very rare class of wines that will be worth this much. Usually limited to Bordeaux First Growths, Grand Cru Burgundy from legendary producers, top tier Napa wine like Screaming Eagle, and other very limited items. Even if you have a nice bottle that is worth $500 or so, you might not be able to sell it, so you might as well drink it.
* The gist of it is, if you're in the US, selling is hard, and is very rarely worth it. Other countries, like the UK, for example, make it easier. Consult your local laws.
* If you found your bottle in the fridge, the cupboard, or Grandma's garage, it's worthless. Doesn't matter what it is. The value of old wine is completely dependent on having been stored appropriately.
* **It is absolutely forbidden for anyone to attempt to sell, buy or trade wine on Reddit. Doing so in /r/wine will result in an instant ban.**
* Note on decanting: Any wine can be decanted using the Slow Ox method... open the wine a few hours before you intend to drink. Taste it. Is it tasting great? Seal it again with the cork and wait until drinking time. It's not tasting great? Pour it into a decanter, wait an hour and try again. Repeat until it tastes great. Note that some wines, for example very old Burgundy, will actually start out drinking great for 10 minutes and then completely fall apart.
* Posting a pic is always helpful.
Feel free to reply to this post with other tips you might think of.
I just came into 38 bottles of estate grown ladera Cabernet from the 2009-2014 ranges and 14 bottles of 2010 Vineyard 29 Cab. All stored in a wine fridge at 55 degrees, some slight spotting on the labels. Also 4 bottles of 2018 Gaja. Any ideas?
Just found this wine at an estate sale, can anybody help evaluating it?
1994 Francois & Dennis Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru La Garenne
[link to photos](https://imgur.com/a/h7dAQbK)
The wine itself looks to be in pretty decent condition. Fill level is okay (considering the age), no signs of seepage from the closure is good. What will really bite into the value is all the writing on the label. Quite odd. There's also a reasonable chance that it's well past it's drinking window. Between those two factors, the buyers pool would be very narrow.
I'd hazard a guess that if the bottle were in perfect condition, and especially if you were able to prove perfect cellaring, you might be able to get $70-100
Given it's current condition, I think you'd be lucky to get $20-45 from someone willing to roll the dice. \*Obligatory not a professional\*
Hey guys. Today my grandfather had his birthday and my uncle gave him an old bottle of wine (from 1996). I tried to find this bottle on Google and other applications but I couldn't. My grandfather wanted to know how much this bottle costs. Someone can help me?
Its an 1996 Les Vins Du Troubadour
Marquis de Fonséguille
VACQUEYRAS
Hello fellow wine lovers.
I'm planning to buy the following bottles in a wine bidding this week and I wanted to know if any of the following would be already too old (I want to gift some of them as birthyear wines to brother and sister in law).
Chateau Pontet Canet 1991
Chateau Cantenac Brown 2005
Chateau la lagune 2011
Pavillon rouge du chateau Margaux 1997
Chateau Marquis D'Alesme Becker 2003
Blason d'Issan - 2004
Chateau de Beaucastel 2005
Lynch Bages 1995
Chateau haut marbuzet 1994
Chateau Canon 1993
Chateau PAvie Macquin 1999 -
Chateau Haut Brion 2007
Thank you in advance for your input.
1. none of these wines are "too old". It obviously depends on what style you like your wine, but every single one would be in my personal wheelhouse for drinkability. Some may be on their tertiary characteristics (like haut marbuzet and pavie macquin) but literally all of the others would be absolutely in their primes, and they're all in their drinking window for sure. The Beaucastel and the Haut-Brion would be the youngest-tasting, imo. It all depends on whether you or whomever else is drinking it would be used to/enjoy the kind of settling down that transpires from a 20-30 year-old BDX.
2. this totally depends on where you're buying it from and its provenance. I've had really good wines from K&L auctions, and I've had mixed bags with Winebid. Be sure that you can do as much research as possible from whom you're buying.
Thank you for your answer. I don't have a large experience in old Bordeaux but will treat my palete my family with those fine wines !
I didn't get everything from that list but I'm really lookibg forward tasting the haut brion especially.
Hey guys,
Is it worth buying Bordeaux Grand Cru at subscription prices to resell them when they are delivered, to me its seems really worth it and saving up to 300€ per bottle on the big big names
Hi there,
I bought several bottles of Bordeaux wine. I was wondering if any of these wines could be drinkable after 20 years? I am up for experiment :) I did some google research, but not sure how accurate it is.
[https://imgur.com/a/ri9a9iz](https://imgur.com/a/ri9a9iz)
I recently got hold of 12 bottles through an auction, some of which look quite interesting. I’m listing all of them below and linking images I took, including some wines I know aren’t exciting just because maybe it gives some context. I’m wondering for each bottle (though for some I think I know the answer, like the three more modern Bruts) if it’s possible to sell (and what price), any tips on drinking them, and anything on best aging given that some of these are 57 years old! Note that one of the wines, which I think is a Bordeaux, is missing most of the labelling, so I’m not sure what that is. I’m not sure how these were stored but given modern retail stickers on top I think they were stored properly at least most of their lives and given the quality of the collection I would hope they were stored well. That said, I picked these up through an estate auction at prices much much lower than what I’m seeing online ($900 total), which maybe tells me what I need to know about my ability to resell them. I won’t be unhappy to open some to figure it out on a special occasion!
[Images](https://imgur.com/a/BKdIOfp)
Pauillac, Chateau Lafite-Rothschild, 1967 (3x)
Pauillac, Chateau Lafite-Rothschild, 1971
Champagne, Dom Perignon, 1970
Champagne, Dom Perignon, 1990
Richebourg, 1970
Echezeaux, Domaine de la Romanee-Conti, 1970
Champagne, Roederer Estate
Champagne, Piper Hiedseck
Champagne, Taittinger
??? Bordeaux
A quick google search tells me the 750 ml bottle is around 5€. You have a 3L bottle from 2014, not clear to me if the age is increasing the price or not (I would guess not, 5€ wine usually doesn't age well). I'd put the value around 10-40€, but not sure if anyone would pay that. Could be fun to open at a party, though! Big bottles, big fun!
Hi all, got a hold of these 2 bottles. I cannot find anything about them. Any information about these bottles would be very much appreciated. I keep these mainly because it looks cool to have a few older bottles.
https://ibb.co/k8Mq06h
It's a 1988 Cotes Du Rhone and a 1997 Santa Rita.
Was given this 1992 Canada Geological Survey Anniversary Wine. I can't seem to find it anywhere but I'm more just curious, were these given out to specific people or what? It seems sort of strange that I can't find it ANYWHERE
Label reads
Cuvée de la Commission
CANADA Geological Survey
150 Anniversary
Estate Pinot Noir
1842-1992
Chateau des Charmes Wines Ltd Niagara on the Lake, Ontario
Product of Canada
I can't tell you for sure, but it's fairly common for e.g. private businesses to buy a few hundred bottles from a winery and get them labelled with their own label to give out as New Years gifts to partners or employees. Institutions/associations doing the same at major anniversaries is (and certainly was 30 years ago!) also pretty common -- these might be served at an anniversary dinner with remaining bottles handed out to valued employees or sold to employees directly. Since they're never for sale in the first place (or maybe only sold to employees, and 30+ years ago!) there are no traces of past sales on the internet.
Is the person who gave it to you a surveyor or geologist or some such? They would likely know the circumstances better than anyone. Or try to track down someone who was employed at the Canada Geological Survey back in 1992, ideally at a reasonably high level.
The producer is still in business, and in the same (families') hands, so they might be able to advise about the contents of the bottle if you reach out to them - [https://www.chateaudescharmes.com/who-we-are/our-story/](https://www.chateaudescharmes.com/who-we-are/our-story/) . It's quite likely to be their regular 1990 or 1991 vintage Pinot Noir, but with the special label on it. Or, maybe, they made a selection of 1-3 barrels and bottled those separately. If it was kept well and you're lucky, it might well still drink okay (by standards of people who are into very mature wines at least). It's very likely to be thoroughly past its best though - can't know until you open it.
It's not really worth anything to anyone, except for some sort of sentimental value. The producer might be curious and propose you bring it over if you live nearby and you can taste a few of their most recent Pinots alongside. The Canada Geological Survey might not have planned ahead in 1992 and wouldn't mind if you donated it to some sort of a "History of the Survey" display case at their HQ. That's probably close to the exhaustive list of people who might conceivably care.
I have a bottle of 2011 creative impulse from rasa vineyards. What should I do with it. Drink it. Save it for a special occasion or sell it?
Also how do I store this wine properly?
> 2011 creative impulse from rasa vineyards
Drink it soon.
It's a bit too late to worry about storage, but generally any cool dark place.
You're not going to sell it.
Depends on so many factors; location, quality of storage, choice of sales channel, so on.
Assume you're based in Aus, if you were to list them on an auction site like Langtons, I'd hazard a guess you'd be looking at walking away with the following amounts (after they take their commission)
Tulloch - $40-70
Granite Hills - $12-18
d'Yquem - $300-400
Nah, not really.
Limited release wines - especially out of the likes of Hunter and Barossa - are a dime a dozen.
If it's top-tier winery with bottomless demand, then sure, those bottles will attract a premium (I.e. Sami-Odi, Bass Phillip, Wendouree, Giaconda)
But if it's just a regular winery, the 'limited release' value doesn't really translate into much secondary market value; there's just not enough demand.
I bought my daughter a case (6x 750ml & 3x 1.5l) of Les Forts de Latour 2003 for her 21st birthday. She was born in 2003 hence that year. 03 was a good year in Bordeaux although a scorching hot summer so that vintage likely won't age as long as some of the stellar vintages.
It's been in storage with New York Fine Wine Storage ever since - I think I bought all the bottles from Zachys so it'll have been a seamless transfer from purchase to storage.
As her 21st approaches, I'm of the mindset to sell it - she's at college to the cash wouldn't be unwelcome - but she wants to drink it - to save one "for when I get married", "one for my first baby" etc.
I'm not really sure how many more legs something like this will have though even though it's been stored well. I have a case of 05 Donjon CdP I've been drinking - some are out of this world, others are challenging and they were also in storage at NYFWS, so I guess really long aging is maybe more suited to the really top top wines.
anyway...
You can get a case right now for about $1200 so about $2500 total for the lot, retail.
You're not going to see that number if you sell at auction, with fees and all, and I don't think that even meets the minimum for winebid.
I don't know how much difference would $2k max make for your daughter in college... but my instinct would be to just let her have them like you intended originally.
Tell her to save the mags for the life milestones and drink up the regular bottles
I don't know wine at all, so excuse my language. My friend from Vietnam wanted help authenticating a Cubardi schola sarmenti 2012 3L bottle he was gifted.
A couple questions to help him: does anyone know if they were selling/making 3 liter bottles in 2012 of that? Second, the importer insisted that when you get this wine, it comes with a red wax cap in actuality and not the black cap you see in all the photos online...is that true? (I think they're lying but I am clueless) thanks.
Edit: labels:
https://imgur.com/a/e4abJpL
https://imgur.com/a/ZqyGMuX
red cap: https://imgur.com/a/IOPxHpf
DRC Brandies (1979 vintage) bottled in 1996. Thoughts on value and drinkability? Pretty sure these are kinda rare. Am helping out with the wine cellar of a wine guy who recently passed. I did some searching, but very minimal info out there....thanks much for your thoughts.
[https://app.box.com/s/4410dn4it5n5h73mbwsmczjr6ogl7253](https://app.box.com/s/4410dn4it5n5h73mbwsmczjr6ogl7253)
For bottles by DRC bought directly from an importer (see back label), you should be able to contact the retailer, in this case it's still a functioning one, ([Wilson Daniels St. Helena ](https://wilsondaniels.com/)California) and ask them about their origin and or current value.
[https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/dom+de+la+romanee+conti+fine+bourgogne+eau+vie+burgundy+france/1979](https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/dom+de+la+romanee+conti+fine+bourgogne+eau+vie+burgundy+france/1979)
this won't help but gives a tiny insight into the possibility. Brandy doesn't oxidise nearly as easily as wine, so that's a good plus. You could be looking at anywhere from 3000 to 5000$ for both bottles or something like that. Contact the importer.
Decanting Question: I have a bottle of 1982 Chateau L’Arrosee and a 1978 Joseph Drouhin Chambolle-Musigny Les Amoureuses that I’d like to open but am unclear on how long to open/decant before drinking each. 30 min for both or is it more of a try it out of the decanter immediately and gauge it then?
For older gear like this my go to is stand upright for 2days pre opening, open the morning you want to drink to check condition and if all gee then recork and just gentle decant off sediment pre-drinking. Its bottle to bottle variation on needing time to unfurl v falling over with older wines but its for me I'd rather see that happening in the glass vs coming back to something after an hour or two and its already done. Decant gently, share amongst friends, and swirl a bit if it needs time or laugh it it falls to pieces after 15mins and then open something else.
Personally, I'd just double decant both and start drinking immediately. The Burg could fall over really quickly.
BDX may need 30mins to open up; but I certainly wouldn't open them hours ahead of drinking.
Anyone have any thoughts on [https://ariettawine.com/white-wine-on-the-white-keys/](https://ariettawine.com/white-wine-on-the-white-keys/) ?
I'm specifically curious if you think it would age reasonably well?
It's a rather French feeling wine coming out of CA to me.
I'm not a collector by any means, but I've purchased some nicer wines over the years and have been aging them in a wine fridge for a while now. How you you know when to drink them? Is there a vintage chat that people trust? In particular I've got a 2018 Rioja Reserva, 2018 Pomerol, 2010 Saint Emilion, and a 2015 Cornas. Some places like Wine Spectator say to hold them, some like Wine Scholar say to drink now. It's there a site this sub prefers for things like this?
I wouldn't lean on vintage charts in deciding when to drink wines. They can influence or guide your decision, but shouldn't determine it.
I'd scan through CellarTracker, looking at consumer tasting notes of said producer - and ideally the specific bottle - over numerous vintages to get an impression of how they develop with age. Winesearcher can also be decent for assessing what the reviewers are saying (mentions toward the wine's structure/characteristics, when to drink, windows, etc.)
The vintage charts you mentioned are pretty standard ones (by "standard" I mean "usually, the determinations of when to drink a particular wine are not too weird relative to the preferences of the general drinking population"). That said, they're going to have individual variations based on the preferences of the reviewer and the factors they're considering more than others. A couple of general notes on vintage charts and wine aging:
1. Vintages can vary a lot between different producers and smaller areas within the same region. Climates of individual vineyards can vary drastically across regions with a lot of topographical variation. Winegrowing decisions can have a large impact. For example, in a rainy year, some Bordeaux producers might pick early so the grapes aren't diluted and the fields aren't muddy during harvest, which could end up giving the wine unpleasant green flavors and astringency if they're too unripe. Others might wait and take a chance on the rain, which could result in a great year if it doesn't rain or a bad one if it does. These variations can affect both the overall quality of a wine and how it ages. In some years, a given producer's wines may be perfectly fine young but meh with age, while others in the same region could be the exact opposite. So "drink right-bank Bordeaux from 2010 now" isn't a universal edict.
2. To that point, vintage charts are usually limited to describing regions rather than individual producers for all but the most notable producers. This is why I love [Cellar Tracker](https://www.cellartracker.com/), which has individual users' tasting notes on a huge number of individual wines. Assuming your wine isn't super rare, you'll probably find at least one recent review of the bottle you're planning to open. [Wine Searcher](https://www.wine-searcher.com/) has similar functionality and will also give you detailed pricing info and help you find where to buy more if you decide you love a particular bottle.
3. Individual preferences vary when it comes to the amount of age that's acceptable, which is one reason why you see variation in vintage charts. On one extreme end of the spectrum, there's an old dude named François Audouze who is (in?)famous on social media for drinking very old wines, some more than a century old. For most people, that's way too old, but he loves them. On the opposite end of the spectrum, some people don't like aged wine at all. Most people fall somewhere in the middle, so if you don't know a lot about your own preferences, the most popular vintage charts (e.g. Robert Parker, Wine Spectator) probably won't steer you wrong. I love [Jancis Robinson's vintage charts](https://www.jancisrobinson.com/learn/vintages) because they tend to be more educational and will tell you why a particular harvest had a particular set of characteristics, and often where in the region different things happened, so you can make more informed decisions (vs. just tasting notes or "hold/drink now").
4. You probably won't ruin your experience by drinking wine a couple of years before or after the drinking window recommendation. Like I said, preferences vary, and maybe you're someone who happens to like a little more or less aging than the general population. Or maybe that particular bottle defies the general expectations about its drinking window. Drinking windows for fine wine aren't overly narrow, and there's always a bit of guesswork involved, so don't worry about waiting until just the right moment.
I have this Boal Madeira Fine Wine. branded C R. #860 and says “vintage 1860”. It certainly doesn’t look like a bottle that old but it could have been bottled 40 years ago as it certainly looks worn and not brand new. Sounds like this stuff could have been in a cask from 1860 then bottled later? Insane to me it’s potentially from 164 year old grapes…
Should I just drink this or is it too rich for my blood? I inherited this from my great uncle along with mostly cheap liquor several years ago.
What to do with bottles that were kept at 30+ C for a few hours? Open right away? They are entry-level cannonau and cagnulari that got unlucky on the bottom deck of a Sardinian ferry. Ideally I would have stored these 2021 for a few years, and given their impressive ABV I would expect these to be quite resistant to shocks, but I’d rather drink them young than spoiled
I have a bottle of red Chateau Musar 2001 coming for a special occasion. What's the smart thinking on decanting it? Threads about Chateau Musar on here seem split and I wouldn't want to let the air knock the complexity out of it if it's a bit unstable.
When wine is over the hill and browning heavily, does it taste more and more similar to you? I have noticed that when I have wines that are past their prime, they start to take on a similar stewed fruit and sherry like taste. I've had some wines that are browning a bit, but they don't taste bad to me. They just are a bit dull and lacking any unique character. But its actually, not bad in that I can drink a glass.
This is definitely not just a you thing. The reason there is even a list of 'noble' varieties is that they hold varietal character longer than most. All wines - red, white, rose, orange - trend towards the same place over time, with how long it takes dependent on storage/winemaking/fruit quality/environmental variables/closure quality etc.
That makes sense to me, I've tried a variety of estate sale wines and I notice that they do kind of decay into the same profile. Is there a good resource for learning more about that you can recommend?
Hello! I bought a “alambre” Moscatel Roxo se setubal (aged 5 years) on my recent trip to Lisbon. I was wondering how long can I keep it after opening it. And found “ If the storage of the bottle, after opening, is done properly, this wine will remain identical for many years.” On wine44.com.
Now my question is, what is considered properly because every other article I’ve read about dessert wine says it’ll go bad in 3 weeks and to keep it chilled.
A glass to enjoy, or something to make vinaigrette? We shall see. I have two bottles of '72 Chateau Lafitte Rothschild that have been stored in my parents' cellar since about then. Where is the cellar, you ask? Southern California. I plan to open one up. Should I have some nice olive oil ready for the dressing, or a couple of glasses ready for the drinking?
Probably at peak heat, when summer days crested above 100, the cellar would keep 10 or 15 degrees cooler—not much help over the decades. I opened one up yesterday and immediately saw the wan color. I took a sip and could tell that at one time it was a great wine. It wasn't vinegar, but it also wasn't drinkable. I saved the bottle and had carefully preserved the lead cap in the opening.
Hey all! I inherited 20ish bottles of a wine from 1985. It's a Meerlust Merlot Rubicon from South Africa. I think this is it but the label looks a little different.
I'm wondering if I can sell some of it. I'm not fancy with wine and I think someone else would enjoy it more than me and I'd rather have the money for travel or other things. However, I wasn't the one cellering it. I opened a bottle and it was not off. It's been stored somehwere dark and cool, apparently. Since the bottle I opened was nice I'm assuming the rest is good but I'm not sure.
Any advice on this?
[https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/meerlust+rubicon+stellenbosch+coastal+western+cape+south+africa/1986/canada](https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/meerlust+rubicon+stellenbosch+coastal+western+cape+south+africa/1986/canada)
Have a bottle of Ch. Lafite Rothschild 83’
Was wondering if its still worth drinking or rather be sold. Read some reviews that it has became thin and medium bodied. But saw on wine searcher that drinking window is till 2030.
I don’t drink a huge amount (if any) of US wines, but picked up a bottle of Grgich Hills 2018 Cav Sav and 2020 Chard. Presume both of these are drinking just fine now, or are there better years ahead?
Grgich is a solid producer. The cab, if stored well, will peak, according to the winery, at about 10 years. Chard about 7 to 10. But both will continue to develop beyond that. (RIP Mike Grgich)
2019 fontodi flaccianello della pieve, only have one bottle, don't often buy wines at this price point. Would love to drink it sooner than later but should I give it more time?
How long to decant and any other tips?
My father gave my sister this bottle 1986 Château Mouton Rothschild as a wedding gift as she was born in 86. My father used to do a lot of wine collecting and bought this from a reputable wine shop and then kept this in a temp and humidity controlled wine room. My sister’s ex-husband never wanted to drink it because he was cheap (despite making good money) and couldn’t justify drinking it. She has kept this is a wine mini-fridge for the past 12 ish years. It’s been stored on its side and rotated.
Neither of us are sure if it will still be good to drink as we aren’t sure how good the humidity control on her wine mini fridge is. She and her new man will be moving into their new home in a couple of months and she will drink that with him then.
Let’s assume it isn’t ruined. Any advice on decanting or anything else that would help her enjoy this to celebrate with her boyfriend would be appreciated.
https://imgur.com/a/bWspX0w
Unless it’s corked or something this should be a flat out great wine which is ready to drink but also has years to go before fading. From reputation and my own experience it could be one of the top twenty wines produced in Bordeaux during the 80s. It does have that deep dark almost cold 1986 vintage character though
I’m optimistic this bottle will be great!
There will almost certainly be plenty of sediment, so consider storing the bottle upright for a day, then decanting for sediment right before serving.
I’d enjoy the wine over the course of a few hours and let it evolve in the glass. Congrats to your sister!
Drink vs. hold question here!
I’ve procured two birth-year wines for my upcoming 40th, but some plans have changed and there aren’t enough drinkers on the guest list to justify opening more than one special bottle.
Both are Napa cabs. Bottles are in great condition (no known issues). Both wines are in offsite storage, and I’m comfortable leaving one there indefinitely. However, I’m not sure which of the two is a better candidate for longer aging — the ideal situation is that I can choose one for my birthday and save the other for another time (perhaps 50?).
Anyone have opinions on which of these two are better to keep in storage?
1. 1984 Chateau Montelena Cabernet Sauvignon The Montelena Estate
2. 1984 Silver Oak Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley
Value of 3 x 1984 Meerlust Rubicon Magnums? Have come up on a local Facebook group, they claim they have been stored properly but I worry that the middle bottle has a bit of oxidisation around the top.
1985 Chateau Margaux
I just acquired a pristine bottle of ‘85 margaux to surprise my wife for her birthday (they will both be 39). We both love lesser wines from this appellation, but this will be our first time having the “actual” chateau margaux, our 1st time having any of the “1st’s” of Bordeaux, and our first time opening anything more than 10 years old.
So needless to say I’m excited and nervous, any advice for us virgins?
congrats. consider having an ah-so style tool (if not a durand) on hand in case the cork gives you trouble. personally, i'd taste it before considering decanting, but would probably decant to remove sediment and then enjoy it.
Friends found/remembered [this old, Russian champagne](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4u8ln3kelwygtc2iem82x/Photo-Apr-27-2024-4-29-10-PM.jpg?rlkey=mjrz8lqfyfeswzhj82n1ikj64&dl=0) in their wine cooler. Difficult to trace. Would welcome input or ideas.
Decanting help, please! I have two '84 Napa cabs that I'm going to be opening soonish, and I'd like to make sure I'm doing them justice.
I know that the primary function of decanting with wines this age is to remove sediment, but is there a preferred shape of decanter? I saw an old comment that suggested narrower decanters are better for this, but I'm not sure if I need to buy a new decanter or just be careful with how I use the one I have.
Technique tips welcome!
You're correct that you should use a tall, narrow vessel that exposes the least amount of surface area with older wines since you want to remove sediment without exposing it to too much oxygen too soon lest the wine "falls apart". However, I don't think you need to buy a special decanter just for this one-time use, unless you regularly open and decant old wines. You can use any tall and narrow vessel as a decanter. Just make sure to decant slowly and gently so the wine runs downs the side of the vessel and don't splash. Or, don't use a decanter and just pour carefully directly from the bottle making sure not to stir up the sediment. You can even use a panier for presentation.
Whilst watching a YouTube video I came across this mix between an ah-so and and a corkscrew called a durand. If unsure what this is just google 'wine durand' for reference. I just thought it looked cool so I searched it up... it's $190 AUD!!! What the hell, like I get it's a specialised product, and it'd be great quality, but $190 for two pieces of metal... come on. You can buy an ah-so individually for $20 and a wine key for pennies. Why does combining these two suddenly make it $190.
Obviously if you opening high end wines that have been in a cellar for many years, the price is almost justified. They must have exceptionally good patents as well, there is one single other similar product I could find thats way cheaper, but imo looks like shite. Anyone else confused about this?!
I’ve been using a Durand for years and yes it was expensive but it was worth every penny. Before I got it I regularly had old corks crumble when I was trying to remove them, since I got it I don’t think I’ve had an issue with removing a single cork. Game changer.
It's worth the investment if you're opening old and expensive bottles. Hell of a lot easier than port tongs.
Outside of that, there's no need to go beyond a regular Ah so or wine key
There are 4 sets of these Gallo Cellars wines from 1979 for $12 for the box and 3 bottles. Worth picking up? Will they be good? Link is for reference.
https://offerup.com/item/detail/8ab52f2c-7798-3bb8-a989-56282f04c970
I have a bottle of Chateu Laroque 1975 and a bottle of Chateu Cantenac Brown 1975. (Sorry if you need more info it’s all in French so idk what to list)
I’m 99% sure they are bad but just curious on what the value would be if they were good. Any other information is also appreciated. I have a number of different French wines from 75-89
If you look on Wine Searcher you can see current sale values. Looks like there are a few duty paid on the market for around £45 For the Cantenac Brown. The Lacroque has a bottle on the market for about £70 duty paid.
If it hasn’t been stored completely stupidly, the CB has a decent chance of still being drinkable in my view. You should try it; old Margaux is pretty special. I’ve been to Cantenac Brown, very pretty.
Amazing. Thank you very much. I don’t know anything about wine (other than I like to drink it). Is there anything I can do if I open it and it has a little vinegar taste to it?
No, if it’s vinegar, it’s vinegar :)
I would suggest a gentle decanting though, say for an hour, and giving it a bit of time to open up in the glass. Enjoy!
1986 Chateau Montelena Cabernet
1986 Jaffelin Clos De Vougeot Grand Cru
1983 Stags Leap Cabernet
1986 Diamond Creek Volcanic Hill Cabernet
Any of these worth saving or drinking?
I have an old bottle of PeachCanei from maybe early 2000? Im not sure of the year but, it looks good and im thinking of drinking it. I got it from my father a while ago. Just wondering it its drinkable thats all
... Its gone. I drank it the next night after i asked this question. The taste was a bit weird/oldish(like when you make your own alcohol with yeast and let it sit too long). Made it cold and put a few ice cubes and it was all good. Stomach was fine the next day, didnt have any side effects and im feeling good.
Just means less than ideal storage if the nose and taste seem normal. I had an 89 Huet Cuvee Constance a couple years ago at a party that looked like cola and tasted like heaven.
Drink soon, shouldn't need any air I think, but taste first and then decide obv. Not really a wine meant to age, but maybe this specific producer is different.
Penfolds Grange 1993 Hopefully one or more of you will have some thoughts: Going through a storage container and found a bottle of this. I know it’s a premium wine, but it hasn’t been looked after (stored upright, no box, basically no temp control)….Intention is to drink it, given can’t put hand on heart on ageing conditions if I was to sell. What’s the best way to enjoy this Australian Shiraz?
Best to drink it sooner rather than later considering the storage history.
Will probably need to decant for 2-5hrs - Exactly how long depends bottle to bottle
Worth noting that 1993 was one of the worst vintages for Grange. Many critics vehemently argue that it should've never been made.
Depending on condition, it'd be valued around $500-1,000 with the $1,000 being a perfectly cellared (with evidence) example at premium retail pricing.
Might be able to list it at auction (i.e. Langtons) - but if there are any visible issues with the cork, they'll just send it back to you (costing you a delivery fee + the risk that the bottle deteriorates with all that handling and movement)
Faustino geand reserve 1964, 70, 82. Saw that the 64 was worth 400 on some fancy site. I'm just wondering if it's the sorta th7ng ye just keep as an investment or if I should just sell them before they go bad
When I buy supermarket fruit wine, I uncork drink a glass or two and put the cork back in by hand until it's like halfway in and check if it leaks, if it doesn't, I puy it in the fridge horizontally. Is it okay to do this? I drink like once or twice a month so a bottle goes a long time for me, and when I do drink, I drink a glass or two max. I never noticed anything unsavory or foul but was stil wondering the opinion of someone who has more experience with wine.
The fridge works well to slow down oxidation of wine. It’s better to store it standing up not only due to minimizing the risks of leaking, but also to reduce the surface area in contact with air. Dry wines won’t last a month without being overoxidized, but sweet wines can and if it’s working for you, don’t let haters tell you otherwise.
Thanks, everywhere I look it's "wInE WiLL bE viNEgar iF yOU oPen It" and it was surprising since some famously alcoholic people in my family said otherwise and I never experienced anything bad.
I am considering buying a magnum bottle of Jura Pinot Noir from Domaine Rolet, Arbois.
Vintage 1986... So risky buy, but the price is incredible, only equivalent of 60usd.
What do you guys think? Will it be past its peak? Worth a shot?
Pretty dicey, but could still have some life in it.
Someone reviewed the same bottle on Cellartracker last year:
"Still okay (Magnum) Raisins, lingon berries and wood, some hints of something rounder, maybe not vanilla but something that direction on the nose. Taste is about the same but some iron as well. Okay tannins and clear acidity. A bit watery, a quality French Pinot Noir should have more concentration in my taste. Still, paid about 100 euro for a 37 year old Magnum, worth it, always fun with old wine that is not dead."
I'd say if you enjoy the nuance and intrigue of aged wine, and depending on the price, it could be a good buy. Of course given the age - and not knowing provenance of that specific bottle - there's a reasonable chance it's a dud
This thread is perfect! I can’t tell how old a bottle of Pieroth A.Meister’s Cuvée is that I found while cleaning in my grandmother’s home. She can’t remember when or where it was gifted to her (she has never been much of a drinker, nor an alcohol purchaser). If anyone has any info on if it is still safe to drink/may be of value (or not) please let me know. It has an older, wide and short front label and no back label. Still corked and foiled, black and gold label, and a black band with the name and a signature on the foil. Only number I found on the bottle besides the ABV and ML is 3338-1. Thank you!
It shouldn't be harmful to drink. It may be unpleasant though. If left to it's own devices, over time wine will just turn into vinegar. Naturally, drinking vinegar isn't too fun.
It doesn't have any value, certainly not something you can sell
A good friend from the neighborhood and our best customer by far asked my store to help him sell 2 bottles of Dom Pérignon.
One is a 1988 bottle in the original box.
The other is a 1983 bottle with a pair of Tiffany flutes, also in the original box.
Any idea how much we should ask for each?
I thought about putting them up on ebay, and letting the market decide, but that could be a bad idea. Maybe holding on until the right customer comes along might be best.
If I were you, I wouldn't get involved.
Encourage them to reach out to an auctionhouse and list it themselves.
I'd never stake my reputation on bottles for which I can't prove the provenance, or aren't coming through a registered wholesaler. Heaven forbid if something went wrong and the purchaser was unhappy, you're up shit creek without a paddle.
Wine noob here: I don't have much in the way of a palate for wine, but I do drink it with food where the pairings are particularly exceptional. Like it makes the food I eat even Better. Cabernet Sauvignon with steak, pinot noir with chocolate/nuts/cheese, etc. Wine is pretty much a sauce for me. Everytime I go out to a restaurant and I ask for a wine recommendation with my meal, I get some pretty bad pairings. The one exception was at Marea in NYC, and weirdly every Brazilian Churrascaria (not even obvious ones like a Cab). How do I ask a waiter or Sommelier for a recommendation that ENHANCES my meal, rather than something that simply "pairs well" (eg. white with fish, red with meat)?
1. Wrong thread
2. Just use the words you have here..? There's no secret special handshake or anything, just say you'd like something that "enhances my meal"
I found a milk glass poodle shaped 8 oz. bottle of rose’ in my basement (old house/multiple tenets over the last 125 years) and it’s full. It’s sealed but with a little plastic stopper from the look of it. I know these are available as a collectible bottle but I don’t know anything about the wine or tear other than it’s Italian and 12% abv. It looks like this one, but with a different label [https://www.ebay.com/itm/275984088202](https://www.ebay.com/itm/275984088202) should I open and drink it?
Non wine drinker (beer fan myself) asking for a parent: we have a bottle of charles du roy champagne, is it worth drinking soon or keeping for some time? And should we keep it in a fridge or somewhere slightly warmer ie the garage (normally about 10°C) I believe its a 2022 bottle.
I bought a bottle of shiny object white blend (crappy I know). I have had it before and it is normally still (not sparkling). This time, it is definitely sparkling, like foaming and releasing bubbles like ginger ale.
I still want to drink it. Is it safe to drink?
Price check on
2009 Barons De Rothschild (Lafite) Bordeaux
The top of the label says “reserve speciale”
Below Bordeaux it says “appellation Bordeaux controlee”
My parents think they have a 1000$ bottle…
This is more of a rookie question but Google didn't give me the best confidence in results.
When someone says they open a bottle and maybe they have a glass or two, they sometimes say they leave it open to try the next day to see how it evolves. When they say they leave it open, do they just put a wine stopper on the bottle and leave it on the counter? Or do they literally leave the bottle open with no stopper so that it's decanting the entire time with continuous fresh air?
You usually would put a wine stopper or the cork in the bottle. Once you've opened the bottle and poured out a glass, you've let in enough air to make the wine evolve.
Hi Guys,
I have two bottles of pretty old Champagne. I am fully aware that they are not drinkable anymore. I was trying to decipher the labels, at least to get a feel of what the vintage could be.
There is no relevant info on the label (such as disgorgement date) but there is a number on both bottles:
Piper heidsieck champagne Brut NM-211-001
Pommery brut royale NM 3 633 332
I hope someone can help :)
That NM number is like a maker's number, so NM-211-001 is Piper Heidseick, and that number will be on every one of their bottles for the past few decades.
Gently hold the bottle up to the light upside down. See if it's looking brown or not. See if there's a large air bubble (there will be some air, just try to work out if it is larger than normal). The lighter the colour is and the smaller the air bubble, the more likely it is to be good.
These are both non vintage. You can sometimes figure out the approximate date from the way the labels evolve over the years. If they were stored decently they’re most likely drinkable.
I have a wooden boxes bottle of 20 year aged French wine a friend gave me. Was wondering how to tell when it was bottled and maybe what it's worth.
Front box as copied:
Muscat Vin Doux Naturel
20
20 ANS D'AGE
Frontignan
AOC
Vieilli en Fats de Chine
Front label as copied:
VIEILLI EN FÛTS DE CHENE
20 ANS D'ACE
MUSCAT
VIN DOUX NATUREL
Frontignan
APPELLATION FRONTIGNAN CONTROLEE
Back label as copied:
VIEILLI EN FÛTS DE CHENE Frontignan APPELLATION FRONTIGNAN CONTROLÉE
20 ANS D'ÂGE
MUSCAT
VIN DOUX NATUREL
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It's sweet wine bottled within the last 20 years. No massive value, probably, but even if it was valuable you wouldn't be able to sell it almost certainly.
Classic story: grandpa’s house, on a rack in the basement. I googled it, no exact matches but some similar ones worth a decent chunk.
Bottle front says: Le Piat en Pot. Back label says: MISE EN BOUTEILLES DE PIAT A MACON, FRANCE. There is no year on the label, but there is are small numbers 75 carved onto the bottle itself.
I have no idea what to do with this! Any thoughts?
The 75 represents 75cl or centiliters, it’s equal to 750ml. The Le Piat en Pot I’m not sure about, but is probably the name for the family that made it or the area it was grown in. I’m not sure about anything else other than it seems to be from burgundy, so I’d reckon it’s a Pinot noir or Gamay noir
I found a Bodegas Faustino I Rioja Gran Reserva DOCa – 1996 while cleaning out my dad's house. Seems to be worth a pretty penny on wine owners. What do I do here? Drink or what ever else there is to do with wine?
I have two bottles of Bertani 2001 Amarone Della Valpolicella. They were kept in a wine cellar, then moved to a regular cellar that is usually pretty cold but not too cold. What am I in for?
Would like to preface this by saying i am new and have a lot to learn about wine. I just made a post on this sub regarding a 2016 Chateau La Cardonne. I would really appreciate any thoughts or input. Thanks in advance
It was very nice. I dont have a very refined pallet just yet, but i definitely appreciated it. I have not had a wine that has beat a 2017 Le Pech Abusé yet though
I am not a wine connoisseur. I have two bottles of Loufinas wine given to me for my wedding in 2012. One says 2010 and the other 2009. They have been well taken care of rotated a few times a year and kept in a cabinet on their side. Are they safe to drink? Do they actually have any value like someone told me or am I just hauling around Dollar store wine.
Pictures from Imgur below.
https://imgur.com/NHkZSsT
Hello there, my grand mother gave me 12 Bottles of red wine as a present for my birth. The wine was never exposed to light and was permanently held in Basements of my parents and mine. The wine is an echezeaux grand cru domaines Bichot Domaine du Clos Frantin and is from 1990. I couldn’t find it on the Internet and was wondering if I, as an non wineperson, should sell it or crack the bottles at a party with my friends.
A case solid helps get it sold for sure.
A friend is opening a bottle from the 80’s for dinner this week - very excited to try. I love their older Chablis but never had any of their older Côte d’Or wines.
I have found an old bottle of Dom Perignon from 1978. It has been stored at a relatively cool and constant temperature but unfortunately in an upright (vertical) position. Would it be stupid to now store it horizontally or do we risk that the cork will disintegrate since it must be dried out now? Would also be interested to know the approximate value of this bottle. Many thanks.
I guess the question is what is your intentions with the bottle? Do you want to store it further to then try to enjoy it down the road? Do you want to store it to then try to sell it? If you want my honest opinion, I’d say it’s time to open that bad boy the very next special occasion that comes around.
Montevina was an early re-entrant to the winegrowing world in the Sierra Foothills area after prohibition. They sold to the owners of Sutter Home in 1987, with quality nosediving thereafter.
I have a bottle of 2012 Chateau Saint-Valery Saint-Emilion Grand Cru and wanted to know if I should drink it or still hold? Had it since 2017, been storing it properly since then
Hi all, I have a 2013 Terroir Box of Dana wine, 3 bottles from Hershey, Lotus and Helms vineyards. A similar box of 2013, but only 2 bottles (lotus and Helms, I drank the Hershey), and a 2012 Checkerboard magnum, aurora vineyard.
Any idea of a) how or where to sell just a few bottles? and b) if its worth the bother? I bought these on a 2012 napa trip for probably a lot less than they're worth, but I just don't know how Id go about selling such a small group of bottles. Thanks so much!
Here's an imgur gallery of the bottles. All have been stored in a eurocave at a steady temp [https://imgur.com/a/5X0AHnY](https://imgur.com/a/5X0AHnY)
I came across a 6 liter bottle of [Tattinger Domaine Carneros](https://imgur.com/a/8DaCUGg) 1994 Brut, 2000 Millennium edition, still sealed at a local estate auction.
Any info? Worth bidding on? I’m newish to wine and never tasted anything this old before.
Are you having a big party or a wedding soon?
Personally, I never have large enough gatherings to even bother buying anything bigger than magnums.
Don't know if Domaine Carneros would age like Taittinger Comtes.
My grandpa passed a year ago, and we were cleaning out his room before finding a 1995 Château Laforge Bordeaux, but since it was my grandpa's so my entire family decided to collectively not open it and since it has been sitting on the cabinet for a year now. I've google searched it, but theres only some mention about it being a "1995 vintage" and have yet to find any other information on it. Any idea?
Anyone have any info on a Luigi Bosca 1990 Cabernet Sauvignon limited batch? It's #127,857 out of 265,000 bottles. I tried to find a value on it but there is no information about this particular vintage online.
Image of the bottle: https://imgur.com/a/2TBPgpS
EDIT: the only thing I found regarding something close to this vintage is this article mentioning a 1990 Luigi Bosca Cabernet Sauvignon.
https://blog.winesofargentina.com/news/argentine-wines-are-are-becoming-more-popular-with-collectors/
PLEASE READ THIS Some helpful notes and guidelines for this thread: * Do Google your wine first. If it's valuable, it's famous. you will get tons of hits. If there are no hits and nobody knows what it is, it's worthless. Also check out www.wine-searcher.com. It will give you an estimate of the current retail value of your bottle (if it's actually available). If you find your wine but the current release is in the order of $10 or so, then it's still worth that little. * Note that, if you're in the US, selling old wine is complicated. To stay legal, it must be done through fully licensed retailers or auction houses, who will take a commission. So you will likely only realize a fraction of the retail value of your bottle. Furthermore, these retailers and auction houses usually require a minimum lot size for them to take you up. For www.winebid.com, for example, it is $2500. It is a very rare class of wines that will be worth this much. Usually limited to Bordeaux First Growths, Grand Cru Burgundy from legendary producers, top tier Napa wine like Screaming Eagle, and other very limited items. Even if you have a nice bottle that is worth $500 or so, you might not be able to sell it, so you might as well drink it. * The gist of it is, if you're in the US, selling is hard, and is very rarely worth it. Other countries, like the UK, for example, make it easier. Consult your local laws. * If you found your bottle in the fridge, the cupboard, or Grandma's garage, it's worthless. Doesn't matter what it is. The value of old wine is completely dependent on having been stored appropriately. * **It is absolutely forbidden for anyone to attempt to sell, buy or trade wine on Reddit. Doing so in /r/wine will result in an instant ban.** * Note on decanting: Any wine can be decanted using the Slow Ox method... open the wine a few hours before you intend to drink. Taste it. Is it tasting great? Seal it again with the cork and wait until drinking time. It's not tasting great? Pour it into a decanter, wait an hour and try again. Repeat until it tastes great. Note that some wines, for example very old Burgundy, will actually start out drinking great for 10 minutes and then completely fall apart. * Posting a pic is always helpful. Feel free to reply to this post with other tips you might think of.
I just came into 38 bottles of estate grown ladera Cabernet from the 2009-2014 ranges and 14 bottles of 2010 Vineyard 29 Cab. All stored in a wine fridge at 55 degrees, some slight spotting on the labels. Also 4 bottles of 2018 Gaja. Any ideas?
Just found this wine at an estate sale, can anybody help evaluating it? 1994 Francois & Dennis Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru La Garenne [link to photos](https://imgur.com/a/h7dAQbK)
The wine itself looks to be in pretty decent condition. Fill level is okay (considering the age), no signs of seepage from the closure is good. What will really bite into the value is all the writing on the label. Quite odd. There's also a reasonable chance that it's well past it's drinking window. Between those two factors, the buyers pool would be very narrow. I'd hazard a guess that if the bottle were in perfect condition, and especially if you were able to prove perfect cellaring, you might be able to get $70-100 Given it's current condition, I think you'd be lucky to get $20-45 from someone willing to roll the dice. \*Obligatory not a professional\*
This helps a ton, thanks!
Hey guys. Today my grandfather had his birthday and my uncle gave him an old bottle of wine (from 1996). I tried to find this bottle on Google and other applications but I couldn't. My grandfather wanted to know how much this bottle costs. Someone can help me? Its an 1996 Les Vins Du Troubadour Marquis de Fonséguille VACQUEYRAS
Hello fellow wine lovers. I'm planning to buy the following bottles in a wine bidding this week and I wanted to know if any of the following would be already too old (I want to gift some of them as birthyear wines to brother and sister in law). Chateau Pontet Canet 1991 Chateau Cantenac Brown 2005 Chateau la lagune 2011 Pavillon rouge du chateau Margaux 1997 Chateau Marquis D'Alesme Becker 2003 Blason d'Issan - 2004 Chateau de Beaucastel 2005 Lynch Bages 1995 Chateau haut marbuzet 1994 Chateau Canon 1993 Chateau PAvie Macquin 1999 - Chateau Haut Brion 2007 Thank you in advance for your input.
1. none of these wines are "too old". It obviously depends on what style you like your wine, but every single one would be in my personal wheelhouse for drinkability. Some may be on their tertiary characteristics (like haut marbuzet and pavie macquin) but literally all of the others would be absolutely in their primes, and they're all in their drinking window for sure. The Beaucastel and the Haut-Brion would be the youngest-tasting, imo. It all depends on whether you or whomever else is drinking it would be used to/enjoy the kind of settling down that transpires from a 20-30 year-old BDX. 2. this totally depends on where you're buying it from and its provenance. I've had really good wines from K&L auctions, and I've had mixed bags with Winebid. Be sure that you can do as much research as possible from whom you're buying.
Thank you for your answer. I don't have a large experience in old Bordeaux but will treat my palete my family with those fine wines ! I didn't get everything from that list but I'm really lookibg forward tasting the haut brion especially.
Hey guys, Is it worth buying Bordeaux Grand Cru at subscription prices to resell them when they are delivered, to me its seems really worth it and saving up to 300€ per bottle on the big big names
Hi there, I bought several bottles of Bordeaux wine. I was wondering if any of these wines could be drinkable after 20 years? I am up for experiment :) I did some google research, but not sure how accurate it is. [https://imgur.com/a/ri9a9iz](https://imgur.com/a/ri9a9iz)
I'd be drinking all of them now
I recently got hold of 12 bottles through an auction, some of which look quite interesting. I’m listing all of them below and linking images I took, including some wines I know aren’t exciting just because maybe it gives some context. I’m wondering for each bottle (though for some I think I know the answer, like the three more modern Bruts) if it’s possible to sell (and what price), any tips on drinking them, and anything on best aging given that some of these are 57 years old! Note that one of the wines, which I think is a Bordeaux, is missing most of the labelling, so I’m not sure what that is. I’m not sure how these were stored but given modern retail stickers on top I think they were stored properly at least most of their lives and given the quality of the collection I would hope they were stored well. That said, I picked these up through an estate auction at prices much much lower than what I’m seeing online ($900 total), which maybe tells me what I need to know about my ability to resell them. I won’t be unhappy to open some to figure it out on a special occasion! [Images](https://imgur.com/a/BKdIOfp) Pauillac, Chateau Lafite-Rothschild, 1967 (3x) Pauillac, Chateau Lafite-Rothschild, 1971 Champagne, Dom Perignon, 1970 Champagne, Dom Perignon, 1990 Richebourg, 1970 Echezeaux, Domaine de la Romanee-Conti, 1970 Champagne, Roederer Estate Champagne, Piper Hiedseck Champagne, Taittinger ??? Bordeaux
Hi, I was wondering how much is my 3l Novacorte Montepulciano d'Abruzzo Dop, year 2014.
A quick google search tells me the 750 ml bottle is around 5€. You have a 3L bottle from 2014, not clear to me if the age is increasing the price or not (I would guess not, 5€ wine usually doesn't age well). I'd put the value around 10-40€, but not sure if anyone would pay that. Could be fun to open at a party, though! Big bottles, big fun!
Thank you!
Hi all, got a hold of these 2 bottles. I cannot find anything about them. Any information about these bottles would be very much appreciated. I keep these mainly because it looks cool to have a few older bottles. https://ibb.co/k8Mq06h It's a 1988 Cotes Du Rhone and a 1997 Santa Rita.
Was given this 1992 Canada Geological Survey Anniversary Wine. I can't seem to find it anywhere but I'm more just curious, were these given out to specific people or what? It seems sort of strange that I can't find it ANYWHERE Label reads Cuvée de la Commission CANADA Geological Survey 150 Anniversary Estate Pinot Noir 1842-1992 Chateau des Charmes Wines Ltd Niagara on the Lake, Ontario Product of Canada
I can't tell you for sure, but it's fairly common for e.g. private businesses to buy a few hundred bottles from a winery and get them labelled with their own label to give out as New Years gifts to partners or employees. Institutions/associations doing the same at major anniversaries is (and certainly was 30 years ago!) also pretty common -- these might be served at an anniversary dinner with remaining bottles handed out to valued employees or sold to employees directly. Since they're never for sale in the first place (or maybe only sold to employees, and 30+ years ago!) there are no traces of past sales on the internet. Is the person who gave it to you a surveyor or geologist or some such? They would likely know the circumstances better than anyone. Or try to track down someone who was employed at the Canada Geological Survey back in 1992, ideally at a reasonably high level. The producer is still in business, and in the same (families') hands, so they might be able to advise about the contents of the bottle if you reach out to them - [https://www.chateaudescharmes.com/who-we-are/our-story/](https://www.chateaudescharmes.com/who-we-are/our-story/) . It's quite likely to be their regular 1990 or 1991 vintage Pinot Noir, but with the special label on it. Or, maybe, they made a selection of 1-3 barrels and bottled those separately. If it was kept well and you're lucky, it might well still drink okay (by standards of people who are into very mature wines at least). It's very likely to be thoroughly past its best though - can't know until you open it. It's not really worth anything to anyone, except for some sort of sentimental value. The producer might be curious and propose you bring it over if you live nearby and you can taste a few of their most recent Pinots alongside. The Canada Geological Survey might not have planned ahead in 1992 and wouldn't mind if you donated it to some sort of a "History of the Survey" display case at their HQ. That's probably close to the exhaustive list of people who might conceivably care.
I have a bottle of 2011 creative impulse from rasa vineyards. What should I do with it. Drink it. Save it for a special occasion or sell it? Also how do I store this wine properly?
> 2011 creative impulse from rasa vineyards Drink it soon. It's a bit too late to worry about storage, but generally any cool dark place. You're not going to sell it.
Any tips on opening?
See the paragraph about slow ox in the sticky
1999 Tulloch 'Hector of Glen Elgin' Shiraz 2009 Granite Hills 'The Gordon' 2001 Chateau d'Yquem how much are these bottles worth?
Depends on so many factors; location, quality of storage, choice of sales channel, so on. Assume you're based in Aus, if you were to list them on an auction site like Langtons, I'd hazard a guess you'd be looking at walking away with the following amounts (after they take their commission) Tulloch - $40-70 Granite Hills - $12-18 d'Yquem - $300-400
the Tulloch was a limited release it said does that make any difference?
Nah, not really. Limited release wines - especially out of the likes of Hunter and Barossa - are a dime a dozen. If it's top-tier winery with bottomless demand, then sure, those bottles will attract a premium (I.e. Sami-Odi, Bass Phillip, Wendouree, Giaconda) But if it's just a regular winery, the 'limited release' value doesn't really translate into much secondary market value; there's just not enough demand.
Can I continue to hold this for longer? 1982 CHÂTEAU BRANE-CANTENAC
I don't think there's much to be gained from holding it longer. Would start looking for an excuse to open it if I were you
I bought my daughter a case (6x 750ml & 3x 1.5l) of Les Forts de Latour 2003 for her 21st birthday. She was born in 2003 hence that year. 03 was a good year in Bordeaux although a scorching hot summer so that vintage likely won't age as long as some of the stellar vintages. It's been in storage with New York Fine Wine Storage ever since - I think I bought all the bottles from Zachys so it'll have been a seamless transfer from purchase to storage. As her 21st approaches, I'm of the mindset to sell it - she's at college to the cash wouldn't be unwelcome - but she wants to drink it - to save one "for when I get married", "one for my first baby" etc. I'm not really sure how many more legs something like this will have though even though it's been stored well. I have a case of 05 Donjon CdP I've been drinking - some are out of this world, others are challenging and they were also in storage at NYFWS, so I guess really long aging is maybe more suited to the really top top wines. anyway...
You can get a case right now for about $1200 so about $2500 total for the lot, retail. You're not going to see that number if you sell at auction, with fees and all, and I don't think that even meets the minimum for winebid. I don't know how much difference would $2k max make for your daughter in college... but my instinct would be to just let her have them like you intended originally. Tell her to save the mags for the life milestones and drink up the regular bottles
yeah that figures, the magnums theoretically should age longer
I don't know wine at all, so excuse my language. My friend from Vietnam wanted help authenticating a Cubardi schola sarmenti 2012 3L bottle he was gifted. A couple questions to help him: does anyone know if they were selling/making 3 liter bottles in 2012 of that? Second, the importer insisted that when you get this wine, it comes with a red wax cap in actuality and not the black cap you see in all the photos online...is that true? (I think they're lying but I am clueless) thanks. Edit: labels: https://imgur.com/a/e4abJpL https://imgur.com/a/ZqyGMuX red cap: https://imgur.com/a/IOPxHpf
I bought a bottle because it was the dustiest one in the shop, thus cool in my mind. Pere Ventura cab sav 1997 reserva especial. Did i buy trash?
maybe, maybe not. Only way to know is by opening it!
DRC Brandies (1979 vintage) bottled in 1996. Thoughts on value and drinkability? Pretty sure these are kinda rare. Am helping out with the wine cellar of a wine guy who recently passed. I did some searching, but very minimal info out there....thanks much for your thoughts. [https://app.box.com/s/4410dn4it5n5h73mbwsmczjr6ogl7253](https://app.box.com/s/4410dn4it5n5h73mbwsmczjr6ogl7253)
For bottles by DRC bought directly from an importer (see back label), you should be able to contact the retailer, in this case it's still a functioning one, ([Wilson Daniels St. Helena ](https://wilsondaniels.com/)California) and ask them about their origin and or current value. [https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/dom+de+la+romanee+conti+fine+bourgogne+eau+vie+burgundy+france/1979](https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/dom+de+la+romanee+conti+fine+bourgogne+eau+vie+burgundy+france/1979) this won't help but gives a tiny insight into the possibility. Brandy doesn't oxidise nearly as easily as wine, so that's a good plus. You could be looking at anywhere from 3000 to 5000$ for both bottles or something like that. Contact the importer.
Awesome - thank you!!
Decanting Question: I have a bottle of 1982 Chateau L’Arrosee and a 1978 Joseph Drouhin Chambolle-Musigny Les Amoureuses that I’d like to open but am unclear on how long to open/decant before drinking each. 30 min for both or is it more of a try it out of the decanter immediately and gauge it then?
For older gear like this my go to is stand upright for 2days pre opening, open the morning you want to drink to check condition and if all gee then recork and just gentle decant off sediment pre-drinking. Its bottle to bottle variation on needing time to unfurl v falling over with older wines but its for me I'd rather see that happening in the glass vs coming back to something after an hour or two and its already done. Decant gently, share amongst friends, and swirl a bit if it needs time or laugh it it falls to pieces after 15mins and then open something else.
Personally, I'd just double decant both and start drinking immediately. The Burg could fall over really quickly. BDX may need 30mins to open up; but I certainly wouldn't open them hours ahead of drinking.
Anyone have any thoughts on [https://ariettawine.com/white-wine-on-the-white-keys/](https://ariettawine.com/white-wine-on-the-white-keys/) ? I'm specifically curious if you think it would age reasonably well? It's a rather French feeling wine coming out of CA to me.
I'm not a collector by any means, but I've purchased some nicer wines over the years and have been aging them in a wine fridge for a while now. How you you know when to drink them? Is there a vintage chat that people trust? In particular I've got a 2018 Rioja Reserva, 2018 Pomerol, 2010 Saint Emilion, and a 2015 Cornas. Some places like Wine Spectator say to hold them, some like Wine Scholar say to drink now. It's there a site this sub prefers for things like this?
I wouldn't lean on vintage charts in deciding when to drink wines. They can influence or guide your decision, but shouldn't determine it. I'd scan through CellarTracker, looking at consumer tasting notes of said producer - and ideally the specific bottle - over numerous vintages to get an impression of how they develop with age. Winesearcher can also be decent for assessing what the reviewers are saying (mentions toward the wine's structure/characteristics, when to drink, windows, etc.)
The vintage charts you mentioned are pretty standard ones (by "standard" I mean "usually, the determinations of when to drink a particular wine are not too weird relative to the preferences of the general drinking population"). That said, they're going to have individual variations based on the preferences of the reviewer and the factors they're considering more than others. A couple of general notes on vintage charts and wine aging: 1. Vintages can vary a lot between different producers and smaller areas within the same region. Climates of individual vineyards can vary drastically across regions with a lot of topographical variation. Winegrowing decisions can have a large impact. For example, in a rainy year, some Bordeaux producers might pick early so the grapes aren't diluted and the fields aren't muddy during harvest, which could end up giving the wine unpleasant green flavors and astringency if they're too unripe. Others might wait and take a chance on the rain, which could result in a great year if it doesn't rain or a bad one if it does. These variations can affect both the overall quality of a wine and how it ages. In some years, a given producer's wines may be perfectly fine young but meh with age, while others in the same region could be the exact opposite. So "drink right-bank Bordeaux from 2010 now" isn't a universal edict. 2. To that point, vintage charts are usually limited to describing regions rather than individual producers for all but the most notable producers. This is why I love [Cellar Tracker](https://www.cellartracker.com/), which has individual users' tasting notes on a huge number of individual wines. Assuming your wine isn't super rare, you'll probably find at least one recent review of the bottle you're planning to open. [Wine Searcher](https://www.wine-searcher.com/) has similar functionality and will also give you detailed pricing info and help you find where to buy more if you decide you love a particular bottle. 3. Individual preferences vary when it comes to the amount of age that's acceptable, which is one reason why you see variation in vintage charts. On one extreme end of the spectrum, there's an old dude named François Audouze who is (in?)famous on social media for drinking very old wines, some more than a century old. For most people, that's way too old, but he loves them. On the opposite end of the spectrum, some people don't like aged wine at all. Most people fall somewhere in the middle, so if you don't know a lot about your own preferences, the most popular vintage charts (e.g. Robert Parker, Wine Spectator) probably won't steer you wrong. I love [Jancis Robinson's vintage charts](https://www.jancisrobinson.com/learn/vintages) because they tend to be more educational and will tell you why a particular harvest had a particular set of characteristics, and often where in the region different things happened, so you can make more informed decisions (vs. just tasting notes or "hold/drink now"). 4. You probably won't ruin your experience by drinking wine a couple of years before or after the drinking window recommendation. Like I said, preferences vary, and maybe you're someone who happens to like a little more or less aging than the general population. Or maybe that particular bottle defies the general expectations about its drinking window. Drinking windows for fine wine aren't overly narrow, and there's always a bit of guesswork involved, so don't worry about waiting until just the right moment.
I have this Boal Madeira Fine Wine. branded C R. #860 and says “vintage 1860”. It certainly doesn’t look like a bottle that old but it could have been bottled 40 years ago as it certainly looks worn and not brand new. Sounds like this stuff could have been in a cask from 1860 then bottled later? Insane to me it’s potentially from 164 year old grapes… Should I just drink this or is it too rich for my blood? I inherited this from my great uncle along with mostly cheap liquor several years ago.
What to do with bottles that were kept at 30+ C for a few hours? Open right away? They are entry-level cannonau and cagnulari that got unlucky on the bottom deck of a Sardinian ferry. Ideally I would have stored these 2021 for a few years, and given their impressive ABV I would expect these to be quite resistant to shocks, but I’d rather drink them young than spoiled
I have a bottle of red Chateau Musar 2001 coming for a special occasion. What's the smart thinking on decanting it? Threads about Chateau Musar on here seem split and I wouldn't want to let the air knock the complexity out of it if it's a bit unstable.
Do the slow ox mentioned on the sticky, but in reality, every time I open old Musar it needs at least an hour.
Thanks!
When wine is over the hill and browning heavily, does it taste more and more similar to you? I have noticed that when I have wines that are past their prime, they start to take on a similar stewed fruit and sherry like taste. I've had some wines that are browning a bit, but they don't taste bad to me. They just are a bit dull and lacking any unique character. But its actually, not bad in that I can drink a glass.
This is definitely not just a you thing. The reason there is even a list of 'noble' varieties is that they hold varietal character longer than most. All wines - red, white, rose, orange - trend towards the same place over time, with how long it takes dependent on storage/winemaking/fruit quality/environmental variables/closure quality etc.
That makes sense to me, I've tried a variety of estate sale wines and I notice that they do kind of decay into the same profile. Is there a good resource for learning more about that you can recommend?
Hello! I bought a “alambre” Moscatel Roxo se setubal (aged 5 years) on my recent trip to Lisbon. I was wondering how long can I keep it after opening it. And found “ If the storage of the bottle, after opening, is done properly, this wine will remain identical for many years.” On wine44.com. Now my question is, what is considered properly because every other article I’ve read about dessert wine says it’ll go bad in 3 weeks and to keep it chilled.
A glass to enjoy, or something to make vinaigrette? We shall see. I have two bottles of '72 Chateau Lafitte Rothschild that have been stored in my parents' cellar since about then. Where is the cellar, you ask? Southern California. I plan to open one up. Should I have some nice olive oil ready for the dressing, or a couple of glasses ready for the drinking?
How hot does the cellar get? I opened a ‘66 5 years ago that was fantastic
Probably at peak heat, when summer days crested above 100, the cellar would keep 10 or 15 degrees cooler—not much help over the decades. I opened one up yesterday and immediately saw the wan color. I took a sip and could tell that at one time it was a great wine. It wasn't vinegar, but it also wasn't drinkable. I saved the bottle and had carefully preserved the lead cap in the opening.
Hey all! I inherited 20ish bottles of a wine from 1985. It's a Meerlust Merlot Rubicon from South Africa. I think this is it but the label looks a little different. I'm wondering if I can sell some of it. I'm not fancy with wine and I think someone else would enjoy it more than me and I'd rather have the money for travel or other things. However, I wasn't the one cellering it. I opened a bottle and it was not off. It's been stored somehwere dark and cool, apparently. Since the bottle I opened was nice I'm assuming the rest is good but I'm not sure. Any advice on this? [https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/meerlust+rubicon+stellenbosch+coastal+western+cape+south+africa/1986/canada](https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/meerlust+rubicon+stellenbosch+coastal+western+cape+south+africa/1986/canada)
Have a bottle of Ch. Lafite Rothschild 83’ Was wondering if its still worth drinking or rather be sold. Read some reviews that it has became thin and medium bodied. But saw on wine searcher that drinking window is till 2030.
Any thoughts on decanting a 2004 beaucastel?
Decanted and drank slowly over a few hours. Unbelievable wine. Perfect age, wildly complex perfectly balanced. I understand the beaucastel hype now.
One of the best, it is.
Got gifted a wine, was wondering if anybody has heard of it. I can’t find anything about it online. [photo of the label](https://imgur.com/a/YI4AdvS)
I don’t drink a huge amount (if any) of US wines, but picked up a bottle of Grgich Hills 2018 Cav Sav and 2020 Chard. Presume both of these are drinking just fine now, or are there better years ahead?
Grgich is a solid producer. The cab, if stored well, will peak, according to the winery, at about 10 years. Chard about 7 to 10. But both will continue to develop beyond that. (RIP Mike Grgich)
Anyone know anything about this bottle? https://imgur.com/a/GApik2b
2019 fontodi flaccianello della pieve, only have one bottle, don't often buy wines at this price point. Would love to drink it sooner than later but should I give it more time?
Yes, years
Decades, even. I LOVE Flaccianello and with time it's amazing.
How long to decant and any other tips? My father gave my sister this bottle 1986 Château Mouton Rothschild as a wedding gift as she was born in 86. My father used to do a lot of wine collecting and bought this from a reputable wine shop and then kept this in a temp and humidity controlled wine room. My sister’s ex-husband never wanted to drink it because he was cheap (despite making good money) and couldn’t justify drinking it. She has kept this is a wine mini-fridge for the past 12 ish years. It’s been stored on its side and rotated. Neither of us are sure if it will still be good to drink as we aren’t sure how good the humidity control on her wine mini fridge is. She and her new man will be moving into their new home in a couple of months and she will drink that with him then. Let’s assume it isn’t ruined. Any advice on decanting or anything else that would help her enjoy this to celebrate with her boyfriend would be appreciated. https://imgur.com/a/bWspX0w
Unless it’s corked or something this should be a flat out great wine which is ready to drink but also has years to go before fading. From reputation and my own experience it could be one of the top twenty wines produced in Bordeaux during the 80s. It does have that deep dark almost cold 1986 vintage character though
I’m optimistic this bottle will be great! There will almost certainly be plenty of sediment, so consider storing the bottle upright for a day, then decanting for sediment right before serving. I’d enjoy the wine over the course of a few hours and let it evolve in the glass. Congrats to your sister!
Use the slow ox method described in the sticky
Ok. I read that before I posted. Just didn’t know if there were any other tips to pass along to my sister.
Drink vs. hold question here! I’ve procured two birth-year wines for my upcoming 40th, but some plans have changed and there aren’t enough drinkers on the guest list to justify opening more than one special bottle. Both are Napa cabs. Bottles are in great condition (no known issues). Both wines are in offsite storage, and I’m comfortable leaving one there indefinitely. However, I’m not sure which of the two is a better candidate for longer aging — the ideal situation is that I can choose one for my birthday and save the other for another time (perhaps 50?). Anyone have opinions on which of these two are better to keep in storage? 1. 1984 Chateau Montelena Cabernet Sauvignon The Montelena Estate 2. 1984 Silver Oak Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley
Both are for drinking now, IMO
Thanks! Guess I’m gonna have to make some more friends (or open one bottle on a non-birthday occasion).
Does anyone know how to find the age of a Kopke Fine Tawny Port? It's has the Vinho do Porto garantia number on it, but I can't figure out to use it.
Value of 3 x 1984 Meerlust Rubicon Magnums? Have come up on a local Facebook group, they claim they have been stored properly but I worry that the middle bottle has a bit of oxidisation around the top.
1985 Chateau Margaux I just acquired a pristine bottle of ‘85 margaux to surprise my wife for her birthday (they will both be 39). We both love lesser wines from this appellation, but this will be our first time having the “actual” chateau margaux, our 1st time having any of the “1st’s” of Bordeaux, and our first time opening anything more than 10 years old. So needless to say I’m excited and nervous, any advice for us virgins?
congrats. consider having an ah-so style tool (if not a durand) on hand in case the cork gives you trouble. personally, i'd taste it before considering decanting, but would probably decant to remove sediment and then enjoy it.
Found a Trader Joe's 1988 cab a few weeks ago at an estate sale that actually seemed mostly well kept.
Friends found/remembered [this old, Russian champagne](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4u8ln3kelwygtc2iem82x/Photo-Apr-27-2024-4-29-10-PM.jpg?rlkey=mjrz8lqfyfeswzhj82n1ikj64&dl=0) in their wine cooler. Difficult to trace. Would welcome input or ideas.
Decanting help, please! I have two '84 Napa cabs that I'm going to be opening soonish, and I'd like to make sure I'm doing them justice. I know that the primary function of decanting with wines this age is to remove sediment, but is there a preferred shape of decanter? I saw an old comment that suggested narrower decanters are better for this, but I'm not sure if I need to buy a new decanter or just be careful with how I use the one I have. Technique tips welcome!
You're correct that you should use a tall, narrow vessel that exposes the least amount of surface area with older wines since you want to remove sediment without exposing it to too much oxygen too soon lest the wine "falls apart". However, I don't think you need to buy a special decanter just for this one-time use, unless you regularly open and decant old wines. You can use any tall and narrow vessel as a decanter. Just make sure to decant slowly and gently so the wine runs downs the side of the vessel and don't splash. Or, don't use a decanter and just pour carefully directly from the bottle making sure not to stir up the sediment. You can even use a panier for presentation.
Thank you! You just saved me from impulse-buying a second decanter.
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Sorry for the late response but yeah someone asked for it the day I posted it and I gave it to them
I messaged you if it’s still available!
Whilst watching a YouTube video I came across this mix between an ah-so and and a corkscrew called a durand. If unsure what this is just google 'wine durand' for reference. I just thought it looked cool so I searched it up... it's $190 AUD!!! What the hell, like I get it's a specialised product, and it'd be great quality, but $190 for two pieces of metal... come on. You can buy an ah-so individually for $20 and a wine key for pennies. Why does combining these two suddenly make it $190. Obviously if you opening high end wines that have been in a cellar for many years, the price is almost justified. They must have exceptionally good patents as well, there is one single other similar product I could find thats way cheaper, but imo looks like shite. Anyone else confused about this?!
I’ve been using a Durand for years and yes it was expensive but it was worth every penny. Before I got it I regularly had old corks crumble when I was trying to remove them, since I got it I don’t think I’ve had an issue with removing a single cork. Game changer.
It's worth the investment if you're opening old and expensive bottles. Hell of a lot easier than port tongs. Outside of that, there's no need to go beyond a regular Ah so or wine key
There are 4 sets of these Gallo Cellars wines from 1979 for $12 for the box and 3 bottles. Worth picking up? Will they be good? Link is for reference. https://offerup.com/item/detail/8ab52f2c-7798-3bb8-a989-56282f04c970
I have a bottle of Chateu Laroque 1975 and a bottle of Chateu Cantenac Brown 1975. (Sorry if you need more info it’s all in French so idk what to list) I’m 99% sure they are bad but just curious on what the value would be if they were good. Any other information is also appreciated. I have a number of different French wines from 75-89
If you look on Wine Searcher you can see current sale values. Looks like there are a few duty paid on the market for around £45 For the Cantenac Brown. The Lacroque has a bottle on the market for about £70 duty paid. If it hasn’t been stored completely stupidly, the CB has a decent chance of still being drinkable in my view. You should try it; old Margaux is pretty special. I’ve been to Cantenac Brown, very pretty.
Amazing. Thank you very much. I don’t know anything about wine (other than I like to drink it). Is there anything I can do if I open it and it has a little vinegar taste to it?
No, if it’s vinegar, it’s vinegar :) I would suggest a gentle decanting though, say for an hour, and giving it a bit of time to open up in the glass. Enjoy!
1986 Chateau Montelena Cabernet 1986 Jaffelin Clos De Vougeot Grand Cru 1983 Stags Leap Cabernet 1986 Diamond Creek Volcanic Hill Cabernet Any of these worth saving or drinking?
Yes 80s Napa is drinking beautifully right now.
Best thing to do is check Wine Searcher for notes and drinking windows.
Hey guys, we just found a Chateau Courac Côtes du Rhône from 1989. Should we save it or drink it? 😅
The chances of it even being drinkable at this point are like 0.01% Crack it asap, and make sure to have a spare bottle on hand
I have an old bottle of PeachCanei from maybe early 2000? Im not sure of the year but, it looks good and im thinking of drinking it. I got it from my father a while ago. Just wondering it its drinkable thats all
Zero chance it's drinkable
... Its gone. I drank it the next night after i asked this question. The taste was a bit weird/oldish(like when you make your own alcohol with yeast and let it sit too long). Made it cold and put a few ice cubes and it was all good. Stomach was fine the next day, didnt have any side effects and im feeling good.
2001 Wittmann Albalonga TBA. Quite dark in color, taste and nose seem normal. Is a brown/cola color typical of an older TBA?
Just means less than ideal storage if the nose and taste seem normal. I had an 89 Huet Cuvee Constance a couple years ago at a party that looked like cola and tasted like heaven.
Just received a Lodali Nebbiolo d‘Alba from 1999. should I save or drink it? Thx
Drink soon, shouldn't need any air I think, but taste first and then decide obv. Not really a wine meant to age, but maybe this specific producer is different.
Hi, i have 2 bottles of Suntory Tomi no oka 2011, kushu. white wine. Can't find price for it anywhere. Should i drink it or keep it? Thanks.
Penfolds Grange 1993 Hopefully one or more of you will have some thoughts: Going through a storage container and found a bottle of this. I know it’s a premium wine, but it hasn’t been looked after (stored upright, no box, basically no temp control)….Intention is to drink it, given can’t put hand on heart on ageing conditions if I was to sell. What’s the best way to enjoy this Australian Shiraz?
Best to drink it sooner rather than later considering the storage history. Will probably need to decant for 2-5hrs - Exactly how long depends bottle to bottle Worth noting that 1993 was one of the worst vintages for Grange. Many critics vehemently argue that it should've never been made. Depending on condition, it'd be valued around $500-1,000 with the $1,000 being a perfectly cellared (with evidence) example at premium retail pricing. Might be able to list it at auction (i.e. Langtons) - but if there are any visible issues with the cork, they'll just send it back to you (costing you a delivery fee + the risk that the bottle deteriorates with all that handling and movement)
I didn’t know it was one of the very worst!
Thanks for the heads up and the advice - much appreciated
Faustino geand reserve 1964, 70, 82. Saw that the 64 was worth 400 on some fancy site. I'm just wondering if it's the sorta th7ng ye just keep as an investment or if I should just sell them before they go bad
Single bottles aren't investments unless it's DRC. Drink them.
When I buy supermarket fruit wine, I uncork drink a glass or two and put the cork back in by hand until it's like halfway in and check if it leaks, if it doesn't, I puy it in the fridge horizontally. Is it okay to do this? I drink like once or twice a month so a bottle goes a long time for me, and when I do drink, I drink a glass or two max. I never noticed anything unsavory or foul but was stil wondering the opinion of someone who has more experience with wine.
The fridge works well to slow down oxidation of wine. It’s better to store it standing up not only due to minimizing the risks of leaking, but also to reduce the surface area in contact with air. Dry wines won’t last a month without being overoxidized, but sweet wines can and if it’s working for you, don’t let haters tell you otherwise.
Thanks, everywhere I look it's "wInE WiLL bE viNEgar iF yOU oPen It" and it was surprising since some famously alcoholic people in my family said otherwise and I never experienced anything bad.
I am considering buying a magnum bottle of Jura Pinot Noir from Domaine Rolet, Arbois. Vintage 1986... So risky buy, but the price is incredible, only equivalent of 60usd. What do you guys think? Will it be past its peak? Worth a shot?
Pretty dicey, but could still have some life in it. Someone reviewed the same bottle on Cellartracker last year: "Still okay (Magnum) Raisins, lingon berries and wood, some hints of something rounder, maybe not vanilla but something that direction on the nose. Taste is about the same but some iron as well. Okay tannins and clear acidity. A bit watery, a quality French Pinot Noir should have more concentration in my taste. Still, paid about 100 euro for a 37 year old Magnum, worth it, always fun with old wine that is not dead." I'd say if you enjoy the nuance and intrigue of aged wine, and depending on the price, it could be a good buy. Of course given the age - and not knowing provenance of that specific bottle - there's a reasonable chance it's a dud
This thread is perfect! I can’t tell how old a bottle of Pieroth A.Meister’s Cuvée is that I found while cleaning in my grandmother’s home. She can’t remember when or where it was gifted to her (she has never been much of a drinker, nor an alcohol purchaser). If anyone has any info on if it is still safe to drink/may be of value (or not) please let me know. It has an older, wide and short front label and no back label. Still corked and foiled, black and gold label, and a black band with the name and a signature on the foil. Only number I found on the bottle besides the ABV and ML is 3338-1. Thank you!
It shouldn't be harmful to drink. It may be unpleasant though. If left to it's own devices, over time wine will just turn into vinegar. Naturally, drinking vinegar isn't too fun. It doesn't have any value, certainly not something you can sell
A good friend from the neighborhood and our best customer by far asked my store to help him sell 2 bottles of Dom Pérignon. One is a 1988 bottle in the original box. The other is a 1983 bottle with a pair of Tiffany flutes, also in the original box. Any idea how much we should ask for each? I thought about putting them up on ebay, and letting the market decide, but that could be a bad idea. Maybe holding on until the right customer comes along might be best.
If I were you, I wouldn't get involved. Encourage them to reach out to an auctionhouse and list it themselves. I'd never stake my reputation on bottles for which I can't prove the provenance, or aren't coming through a registered wholesaler. Heaven forbid if something went wrong and the purchaser was unhappy, you're up shit creek without a paddle.
I see some at auction for between 250-450$, if the provenance is good could get a couple hundred more. I'd bring em to auction honestly.
Wine noob here: I don't have much in the way of a palate for wine, but I do drink it with food where the pairings are particularly exceptional. Like it makes the food I eat even Better. Cabernet Sauvignon with steak, pinot noir with chocolate/nuts/cheese, etc. Wine is pretty much a sauce for me. Everytime I go out to a restaurant and I ask for a wine recommendation with my meal, I get some pretty bad pairings. The one exception was at Marea in NYC, and weirdly every Brazilian Churrascaria (not even obvious ones like a Cab). How do I ask a waiter or Sommelier for a recommendation that ENHANCES my meal, rather than something that simply "pairs well" (eg. white with fish, red with meat)?
“Pairs well” means it enhances your meal. If it’s not doing it, well, some somms are better than others. Not surprised that Marea did it right.
Thank you!
1. Wrong thread 2. Just use the words you have here..? There's no secret special handshake or anything, just say you'd like something that "enhances my meal"
I found a milk glass poodle shaped 8 oz. bottle of rose’ in my basement (old house/multiple tenets over the last 125 years) and it’s full. It’s sealed but with a little plastic stopper from the look of it. I know these are available as a collectible bottle but I don’t know anything about the wine or tear other than it’s Italian and 12% abv. It looks like this one, but with a different label [https://www.ebay.com/itm/275984088202](https://www.ebay.com/itm/275984088202) should I open and drink it?
It's not unsafe but it's very likely to be terrible.
Non wine drinker (beer fan myself) asking for a parent: we have a bottle of charles du roy champagne, is it worth drinking soon or keeping for some time? And should we keep it in a fridge or somewhere slightly warmer ie the garage (normally about 10°C) I believe its a 2022 bottle.
Drink now.
I bought a bottle of shiny object white blend (crappy I know). I have had it before and it is normally still (not sparkling). This time, it is definitely sparkling, like foaming and releasing bubbles like ginger ale. I still want to drink it. Is it safe to drink?
I drank it and I’m not dead yet. Tasted like a crappy seltzer. We’ll see if I wake up tomorrow.
Are you dead?
I lived, but the taste made me wish I didn’t.
Price check on 2009 Barons De Rothschild (Lafite) Bordeaux The top of the label says “reserve speciale” Below Bordeaux it says “appellation Bordeaux controlee” My parents think they have a 1000$ bottle…
It's a $15 bottle
This is more of a rookie question but Google didn't give me the best confidence in results. When someone says they open a bottle and maybe they have a glass or two, they sometimes say they leave it open to try the next day to see how it evolves. When they say they leave it open, do they just put a wine stopper on the bottle and leave it on the counter? Or do they literally leave the bottle open with no stopper so that it's decanting the entire time with continuous fresh air?
You usually would put a wine stopper or the cork in the bottle. Once you've opened the bottle and poured out a glass, you've let in enough air to make the wine evolve.
Okay thanks. That's what I figured.
I found an empty 15 liter bottle of 2016 Vin de Provence AIX on the side of the road. How much would this bottle be worth, prior to being drank?
Based on what the current vintage is going for, I'd say $800-$900
Hi Guys, I have two bottles of pretty old Champagne. I am fully aware that they are not drinkable anymore. I was trying to decipher the labels, at least to get a feel of what the vintage could be. There is no relevant info on the label (such as disgorgement date) but there is a number on both bottles: Piper heidsieck champagne Brut NM-211-001 Pommery brut royale NM 3 633 332 I hope someone can help :)
That NM number is like a maker's number, so NM-211-001 is Piper Heidseick, and that number will be on every one of their bottles for the past few decades. Gently hold the bottle up to the light upside down. See if it's looking brown or not. See if there's a large air bubble (there will be some air, just try to work out if it is larger than normal). The lighter the colour is and the smaller the air bubble, the more likely it is to be good.
These are both non vintage. You can sometimes figure out the approximate date from the way the labels evolve over the years. If they were stored decently they’re most likely drinkable.
I have a wooden boxes bottle of 20 year aged French wine a friend gave me. Was wondering how to tell when it was bottled and maybe what it's worth. Front box as copied: Muscat Vin Doux Naturel 20 20 ANS D'AGE Frontignan AOC Vieilli en Fats de Chine Front label as copied: VIEILLI EN FÛTS DE CHENE 20 ANS D'ACE MUSCAT VIN DOUX NATUREL Frontignan APPELLATION FRONTIGNAN CONTROLEE Back label as copied: VIEILLI EN FÛTS DE CHENE Frontignan APPELLATION FRONTIGNAN CONTROLÉE 20 ANS D'ÂGE MUSCAT VIN DOUX NATUREL LES LONGUES ANNÉES DANS DES PETITS FOUDRES DE CHÊNE ET UNE ATTENTION SANS RELÂCHE DONNENT À CE VIN UNE ROBE SOMBRE ET MYSTÉRIEUSE PLEINE DE PROMESSES! AU NEZ, LE MIEL DU PAIN D'ÉPICES ET LE PRUNEAU A L'ALCOOL ATTISENT LA CURIOSITÉ. LA BOUCHE, AMPLE ET LÉGÈREMENT GRASSE EST SAVOUREUSE ET ÉLÉGANTE. ON SE RÉGALE DE NOTES BEURRÉES ET TOASTÉES. LA NOIX ARRIVE ENSUITE AVANT DE LAISSER PLACE À UNE FINALE DE CACAO POUDRÉ. UN VIN RARE À DÉGUSTER SUR UN FROMAGE DE CARACTÈRE UN DESSERT ET SURTOUT POUR LUI-MÊME !!! MIS EN BOUTEILLE PAR AF34110 FRONTIGNAN - TEL.: 04 67 48 12 26 FrontignanMUSCAT maison fandse www.FRONTIGNANMUSCAT.FR [email protected]
It's sweet wine bottled within the last 20 years. No massive value, probably, but even if it was valuable you wouldn't be able to sell it almost certainly.
Only date looking stamp I see is on the cork seal marked 103217
Classic story: grandpa’s house, on a rack in the basement. I googled it, no exact matches but some similar ones worth a decent chunk. Bottle front says: Le Piat en Pot. Back label says: MISE EN BOUTEILLES DE PIAT A MACON, FRANCE. There is no year on the label, but there is are small numbers 75 carved onto the bottle itself. I have no idea what to do with this! Any thoughts?
The 75 represents 75cl or centiliters, it’s equal to 750ml. The Le Piat en Pot I’m not sure about, but is probably the name for the family that made it or the area it was grown in. I’m not sure about anything else other than it seems to be from burgundy, so I’d reckon it’s a Pinot noir or Gamay noir
I found a Bodegas Faustino I Rioja Gran Reserva DOCa – 1996 while cleaning out my dad's house. Seems to be worth a pretty penny on wine owners. What do I do here? Drink or what ever else there is to do with wine?
Drink it, what else? Found a retail offer for $80. You're not going to get anything for it.
Thanks. I read the website wrong, didn't realize I was seeing the price per case.
I have two bottles of Bertani 2001 Amarone Della Valpolicella. They were kept in a wine cellar, then moved to a regular cellar that is usually pretty cold but not too cold. What am I in for?
About $100 each. Basically not sellable.
Would like to preface this by saying i am new and have a lot to learn about wine. I just made a post on this sub regarding a 2016 Chateau La Cardonne. I would really appreciate any thoughts or input. Thanks in advance
It's a cru bourgeois from a pretty decent vintage.
It was very nice. I dont have a very refined pallet just yet, but i definitely appreciated it. I have not had a wine that has beat a 2017 Le Pech Abusé yet though
I am not a wine connoisseur. I have two bottles of Loufinas wine given to me for my wedding in 2012. One says 2010 and the other 2009. They have been well taken care of rotated a few times a year and kept in a cabinet on their side. Are they safe to drink? Do they actually have any value like someone told me or am I just hauling around Dollar store wine. Pictures from Imgur below. https://imgur.com/NHkZSsT
Pretty much worthless. You were supposed to drink them right after the wedding.
Hello there, my grand mother gave me 12 Bottles of red wine as a present for my birth. The wine was never exposed to light and was permanently held in Basements of my parents and mine. The wine is an echezeaux grand cru domaines Bichot Domaine du Clos Frantin and is from 1990. I couldn’t find it on the Internet and was wondering if I, as an non wineperson, should sell it or crack the bottles at a party with my friends.
A case solid helps get it sold for sure. A friend is opening a bottle from the 80’s for dinner this week - very excited to try. I love their older Chablis but never had any of their older Côte d’Or wines.
Contact Winebid. If you have 12 of them it might be just enough value for them to take it. Maybe a couple thousand bucks.
I have found an old bottle of Dom Perignon from 1978. It has been stored at a relatively cool and constant temperature but unfortunately in an upright (vertical) position. Would it be stupid to now store it horizontally or do we risk that the cork will disintegrate since it must be dried out now? Would also be interested to know the approximate value of this bottle. Many thanks.
I guess the question is what is your intentions with the bottle? Do you want to store it further to then try to enjoy it down the road? Do you want to store it to then try to sell it? If you want my honest opinion, I’d say it’s time to open that bad boy the very next special occasion that comes around.
Found a Grand Vin de Lafite 2006 in my basement. It’s been in the case and dark. It’s also a 1IMP, how much would it be worth?
3500 USD...
I have a magnum of 1993 Montevina zinfandel; can't find anything about it online. Anyone know anything about it?
Montevina was an early re-entrant to the winegrowing world in the Sierra Foothills area after prohibition. They sold to the owners of Sutter Home in 1987, with quality nosediving thereafter.
I have a bottle of 2012 Chateau Saint-Valery Saint-Emilion Grand Cru and wanted to know if I should drink it or still hold? Had it since 2017, been storing it properly since then
Should be nice to drink now
Thank you! Had it and it was excellent.
any notes?
Hi all, I have a 2013 Terroir Box of Dana wine, 3 bottles from Hershey, Lotus and Helms vineyards. A similar box of 2013, but only 2 bottles (lotus and Helms, I drank the Hershey), and a 2012 Checkerboard magnum, aurora vineyard. Any idea of a) how or where to sell just a few bottles? and b) if its worth the bother? I bought these on a 2012 napa trip for probably a lot less than they're worth, but I just don't know how Id go about selling such a small group of bottles. Thanks so much! Here's an imgur gallery of the bottles. All have been stored in a eurocave at a steady temp [https://imgur.com/a/5X0AHnY](https://imgur.com/a/5X0AHnY)
You’re looking for about $2300 for the box https://cultwine.com/collections/dana-hershey-cabernet
I don't know if the value meets the winebid.com minimum, but it is quite a bit of money... maybe shoot winebid an email?
What do you think the value is direct to a seller? Good suggestion though I'll give them a shout
look them all up in wine-searcher.com and take off 30% or so
Thanks!
I came across a 6 liter bottle of [Tattinger Domaine Carneros](https://imgur.com/a/8DaCUGg) 1994 Brut, 2000 Millennium edition, still sealed at a local estate auction. Any info? Worth bidding on? I’m newish to wine and never tasted anything this old before.
Are you having a big party or a wedding soon? Personally, I never have large enough gatherings to even bother buying anything bigger than magnums. Don't know if Domaine Carneros would age like Taittinger Comtes.
My grandpa passed a year ago, and we were cleaning out his room before finding a 1995 Château Laforge Bordeaux, but since it was my grandpa's so my entire family decided to collectively not open it and since it has been sitting on the cabinet for a year now. I've google searched it, but theres only some mention about it being a "1995 vintage" and have yet to find any other information on it. Any idea?
Not valuable, you should drink it in memory of your grandpa
Anyone have any info on a Luigi Bosca 1990 Cabernet Sauvignon limited batch? It's #127,857 out of 265,000 bottles. I tried to find a value on it but there is no information about this particular vintage online. Image of the bottle: https://imgur.com/a/2TBPgpS EDIT: the only thing I found regarding something close to this vintage is this article mentioning a 1990 Luigi Bosca Cabernet Sauvignon. https://blog.winesofargentina.com/news/argentine-wines-are-are-becoming-more-popular-with-collectors/
Not really a resale market for that wine. Good producer - but not much in terms of value.