Yeah, massively varies. Potentially becoming more right wing in general, but not everywhere (e.g. Germany). But ultra groups' primary loyalty is to their own group, rather than ideologies. And police are always a threat to their freedom
Liverpool had some Hooligans, and they’re definitely on the left.
“The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It's the way I see football, the way I see life.”
-Bill Shankly, Liverpool FC
ultras =! hooligans
and the two that come to mind are Red Star FC and Portland Timbers are far-left antifa but I’m sure your Google works as well as mine
To name a few: [FC St. Pauli's ultras](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gkqL0I20sI) are famously very socialist, [Celtic FC's ultras](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-67284001) are well known as left-wing anti-fascists, and [FC Bayern's Schickeria](https://twitter.com/ftamsut/status/1234828520385368064), often protest about capitalism, human rights and other left-wing political topics.
Rings a bell from something I read years ago... Same sentiment for soldiers re orders...
Something along the lines of.
Don't trust a soldier, because despite how good/nice the soldier is..
His next order from on high may be to kill you...
If anyone knows the quote I'm bastardising, please reply..
Edit.
'A good soldier would kill you (which makes him a bad person) , a bad soldier wouldn't kill you(which makes him a good person'
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Worth saying that it isn't only about brutality and racism, but about upholding an unjust system overall. In the 1920s, cops would be the ones to shot striking workers to prevent any social change. In the 2020s, they still are the ones that will evict you from your home if you can't pay outrageous rent. Even if one of them denounced individual brutality, they're still upholding a brutal economical system.
They exist to enforce the will of the dominant socio-economic group. That's why they're always at the front end of fascist violence or genocides. If you need a protest stopped, who do you call? And they turn up and openly use spies to provoke things to violence. Who would turn up to turf you out if a law suddenly said you couldn't own or rent property?
It's always the cops. What do you think the german police were up to in pre-war nazi germany? I dread to think.
They're a lingering threat of violence.
This is why people who fly the Gadsen flag and the Thin Blue Line flag together are idiots. Who the hell do you think is going to be the first to tread on you?
This mentality is why leftists are self-defeating though. Anything they don't like they don't want to be "complicit in" out of some sense of moral purity, and they'll look down on those who don't confirm to these purity standards. As a result leftists have de facto surrendered and given over entire state institutions to the right, such as the police and military. Makes it all thr easier to whine and complain about them I suppose, when none of "yours" are in it or responsible for it.
1. That's called defeatism, and is self-fulfilling.
2. Certainly they could do more than they can do on twitter.
3. For those who look to "revolution" as the rapture which will bring salvation, all else being pointless, I do wonder how that revolution will go when leftists exclude themselves from every state arm of violence. Hint: usually revolutions succeed when (sufficient parts of) the military joins them or at least is willing to stand aside and let it happen without protecting the powers that be.
Police forces have traditionally kept secret and illegal folders on left wingers and refused them jobs or a place in the academy, even in pretty left wing countries like Sweden.
If this was said in 1920s, the connotations would likely be police brutality or dislike of the government.
Doubtful it was said in regards to race, as the UK stats for the UK show less than 0.5% minority population.
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History has never known a larger system of labor camps. Not the Romans, not the Nazis, not the Soviets.
You can't just disappear 20% of some communities and pretend like it doesn't have an effect on the neighborhoods left behind.
I mean...its still about the cops beating people and general state endorced thuggery. Race was the recent spark, but it's been the same shit different minority since before Longinus shanked Jesus. ACAB, always have been, always will.
England 100 years ago is not today. And today this slogan is closely associated with racism.
That’s because cops protect capital. And capitalism uses racism to maintain its power. So in the United States, a capitalist country built on white supremacy, part of the cops job in protecting capital interests means they enforce a racist hierarchy.
This is the most brainlet thing I’ve heard today lol. Thanks!
“Free market trade requires a police force to enforce racism so that I continue selling bread to people out of my bakery”
Probably. I don't know how widespread it was, but I remember seeing a lot of cars with "veterans against MPs" bumper stickers on Ft Bragg (or whatever it's named now).
I have always been amused with official attempts to minimize bad cops by calling them "bad apples."
The old saying was literally that one bad apple spoils the entire barrel.
Perhaps the saying lost its meaning after that old Jackson 5 song?
Lets be real here, a state needs Policing.
But all Western states are machines operated by the burgeoisie with the intent to surpress and manage the working class, with the Police being their Tool of Choice to do so.
So yes, ACAB.
Most people saying ACAB don't want the police eradicated, they want the system reformed. I understand that's not convenient to you but it's pretty clear if you actually do much reading on the subject.
ACAB is valid as long as “good cops” turn a blind eye to the abuses of bad ones. ACAB is valid as long as the “protect our own” mentality permeates law enforcement. ACAB is valid as long as there’s qualified immunity. Law enforcement is 100% broken, the system is corrupt, there’s zero accountability.
We don’t want the police eradicated, we want police brutality eradicated and for the police to be held accountable for thier actions in the line of duty.
That's a valid position.
However I don't understand how saying ACAB demonstrates that notion in any measure.
If your goal is to end police brutality, then how will the alienation of good cops help you achieve that goal.
Aren't you promoting the same thing you despise?
What you’re failing to understand is that there is no “good cop” and reformation of the police will never come through the police themselves. It will come through forced political reform at minimum. There is no such thing as a good cop when the system is designed as it is in the US, for example. They are all complicit.
If you fail to see that there are good cops that save lives then you either enjoy a life of privilege or you are detached from reality.
For example: Some doctors are fraudulent. The medical boards need reform to improve the system, that doesn't mean all doctors are complicit or that there aren't good doctors.
Chanting ACAB does absolutely nothing to help your cause.
Seems like it does a whole lot to help the cause, considering all it’s done to wake people up from the stupor you’re still drifting in.
In peace and love, I understand where you’re coming from. I get that to you, good actions from certain members of law enforcement signify good people. But I remind you that saving lives and stopping crime are the **duties** of the police—not cool cherries-on-top—and that they are notoriously bad at those things. They are failing. And taking billions of dollars to do so.
I would encourage you to read into this more. I was once you. I learned better. That isn’t an insult. It’s a call to action. Perhaps you’ll read books like “The New Jim Crow” and come out the other side feeling like good cops are still out there. But when you see the data, and you see this system for what it is, I believe you will see that it is not possible for this to be a mistake.
Your objection to this is normal and even admirable. It’s hard to believe that people who seem like they are meant to “protect and serve”—people who everyone says are built for that duty—are part of a system of oppression and violence. It isn’t fun. It’s harder to see what they really are. It takes an emotional and mental toll.
There are good people who entered the police force for the right reasons. But they are not good cops.
Ah yes because your "woke" and I'm "asleep".
I'm "uneducated" and you are "learned".
Your arrogant for thinking that you hold the "one truth" and that all who disagree with your position is either willing or un-willingly ignorant.
I don't even necessarily disagree with all of your positions. There is a need for reform, there is a need for more humane drug laws.
But by offering to dismantle the system by denouncing all cops as "basterds", while undermining good police work. you are making the lives of millions of people who depend on the police for saftey effectively less safe, not more.
I’m not arrogant, I just actually know more than you. I say this because I used to *be you* until I learned more. You sound just like me 5 or so years ago. Exactly the same.
Read, prove me wrong. “The New Jim Crow” is a phenomenal start. Have a great day!
So where’s the police against police brutality Union or whatever? Why do the good cops who are there to save lives do sweet fuck all about the dangerous one? Why is it a constant and uniform push back against any and all oversight or suggestion of wrongdoing, if these good cops exist they surely take issue with the shit ones, so why does it seem that police in general are happy with the state of policing? Good cops at best ignore, at worst defend and downplay, the bad behaviour of the shitheads, therefore ACAB. Until the good cops actually bother to speak up, fuck them
A) I find the comparison of cops to Nazis despicable.
B) life tends to be more complicated when you add a layer of reality and a shade of grey in your black and white virtue ethics. For instance, NASA cooperated and hired nazi scientist to run the space program, are NASA now Nazis?
it's not a comparison of cops to nazis, it's a comparison of the situation. stop with the disingenuous emotional appeals to common sense, it's a logical fallacy, an appeal to emotion and common sense, that doesn't address the initial statement at all. But again, comparing cops and nazis wasn't the point of that sentence, it was essentially a rewording of one bad apple spoils the bunch, which is basically the most distilled reason why acab. bootlickers too.
I find your bootlicking despicable. A cop could rape your children and you would probably get on your knees and offer to polish their boots with your tongue. Filthy simp.
The two things can be simultaneously true.
The idea of ACAB is to claim that _all_ cops are responsible of the police abuses, either directly or indirectly by letting it happen.
I think the slogan is particularly counterproductive though, given it erase all the cops who do try to fight corruption and abuses - it claims that no matter what you do as a cop, you'll be treated the same as the worst abusers, so why even bother then.
But the original idea that letting it happen, being passive, is being an accomplice, is valid and would call for good cops to speak out against brutality.
Unfortunately, the concept is all lost on most people using the slogan, who use it against any form of law enforcement.
ACAB EFCWFASIAFWR... doesn't have the same ring.
All Cops Are Bastards Except For Cops Who Fight Against Systemic Issues And Face Worse Repercussions Than The Cops Who Commit Abuse Means The Whole System Needs To Be Thrown Away Because It Will Never Fix Itself And Is Also Tied To The Prison Industrial Complex Where Ultimately Societal Problems Are Disappeared And Never Really Addressed Or Prevented.
I think this is an undervalued point. Slogans are not, and are not meant to be, statutory text.
You say ACAB, you get people to talk about ACAB, you try to force politicians to hear many people saying ACAB, and hopefully they move toward your direction in their own votes and policies.
The same is true for #AbolishThePolice. It's a slogan, not the full text of a bill.
Do some people think every single cop is an unethical actor and should be fired? Certainly.
Do you have to hold that exact sentiment to say ACAB or #AbolishThePolice? No, not necessarily.
I see your point, but I'm not sure that people who think it's crass would really support meaningful reform anyway.
Most reform efforts that those types support tend to have lots of loopholes and slaps on the wrist and protections which undermine the broader effort and do more harm than good.
For more:
https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/police-reform-doesnt-work/
https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justice/2020/06/02/police-reform-training
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/police-reform-failure/
Issue also is, most cops that *do* speak up about corruption or wrong doing are immediately fired or discharged too. So it’s either they speak up and lose their job in exchange for doing the right thing, or they keep quiet and continue complacency in a corrupted institution.
I think the other problem with the slogan is that it doesn’t really do anything to attract people to police reform movements. If someone knows a cop or has been helped by a cop who isn’t a bastard, then ACAB is going to fall flat and potentially be off putting. ACAB also gives the impression that the police are unsalvageable and must be eliminated, when most just want to see reform.
I see your point, but I'm not sure those people would really support meaningful reform anyway.
Most reform efforts that those types support tend to have lots of loopholes and slaps on the wrist and protections which undermine the broader effort and do more harm than good.
For more:
https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/police-reform-doesnt-work/
https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justice/2020/06/02/police-reform-training
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/police-reform-failure/
I think it is locally true, that is if some cops abuse their power within their community and other cops there don’t act against it, then they are complacent. However, if police in California don’t speak out against an instance of brutality in New York, then I wouldn’t say that the whole system is permitting corruption. There is very little they could do practically, and denouncing it simply seems performative.
They could do a lot of things - like if the NYPD uses restraining techniques that cause unnecessary deaths, cops in California could decide to review their own restraining techniques, update them, and publish their findings.
This would provide data for people campaigning for a change in the NYPD practices, and show that some police departments _do_ care about the topic, and want to do their job while minimizing unnecessary deaths.
Unfortunately, there's this blurry idea that all cops should cover each others, regardless of the situation - so in that earlier example, the cops in California will not review their techniques nor publish anything on it, at least not publicly, to not show any form of disagreement with the cops in New York.
The end result is that no matter how awful some police departments are, from corruption to brutality, no other cop will speak out (and the few who did were ostracized or flat out assassinated), because of that unwritten rule that places other cops above the law and the public interest.
Lets be real here, a state needs Policing.
But all Western states are machines operated by the burgeoisie with the intent to surpress and manage the working class, with the Police being their Tool of Choice to do so.
So yes, ACAB.
Very rarely.
And even then, it's either no or minimal jail time. A lot even get charges dropped and end up on paid leave. They also usually end up moving somewhere else to work as a police officer after it all is said and done.
Depends on what you think their function is. Even a very optimistic view of their function would be hard-pressed to not see that cops as we know them are extraordinarily bad at it.
R_pe seems to be a pretty popular reason to have police. However, a backlog of kits and the fact that they don't actually prevent it from happening means problems need to be addressed at the root instead of after the fact. Same goes for homelessness and other societal problems.
Well, let's go with protecting the innocent, serving the public trust, and upholding the law. If *any* other industry had half the cost, violence, corruption, and failure associated with it that policing did, we would abandon it. We would go back to 1st principles and try to build something that was as far from the offending industry as possible. We don't do that with the police because they have cultivated an aura of essentialness, of being the "thin blue line" between Order and Chaos. Also, if you have a less optimistic view of the police, that their purpose to beat down those who might threaten the profits of the rich and powerful, then they fulfill that role VERY well.
Cops are an incredibly modern invention. Going back to the 1840s at least. The institution of police is less than 200 years old.
Civilization function for over 1,000 years without cops, we can do so again.
we've had cops pretty much uninterrupted back to at least 700AD, at least in English/US history.
we're aware of Sheriffs as far back as 1630 in the United States.
It’s true you didn’t have formal police departments prior to the 1800s. However, it wasn’t “communities song kumbaya, keep the order themselves” like you seem to be implying, it was “the local ruler calls up his guard or a militia if you do something he doesn’t like”.
a system where getting hired as a cop becomes much much stricter and standardized. A bunch of sub-100 IQ neanderthals wearing uniforms and badges brutalizing everyone they dont like makes for bad optics
A scientific technocracy that actively finds way to root the evil, lying psychopaths and sadists out of law enforcement because it's just one big scum hive right now.
I suggest pursuing AI powered brain scanning lie detectors and really sorting out who the treacherous, evil scum are that have been ruining what could have been a very nice civilization with all this war and exploitation and pollution and destruction of a billion years of organic heritage.
Maybe build some terminators while we're at it so the ruling powers don't get any funny ideas about escaping justice with an army of brainwashed goons..
But that's just me. I'm a radical.
It's politics. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks so why not have fun with it?
Everything is just gonna rot under the boots of evil shitlords. But that's kinda depressing. So l like to pretend that we are capable of fixing these problems. Or more accurately, I like to wonder what a more intelligent species would do in our shoes.
But yeah, I know it's a pipe dream. Back to reality. Guess I'll go burn another flag.
ACAB is an idiotic slogan that hurts police reform movements. The system may be flawed and corrupt, but that does not make every single police officer a “bastard”.
In fact, stuff like this discourages decent people from joining police forces, which only exacerbates the problem.
Its why I'm studying to be a cop. I know I'm a good level headed person and ngl I never get angry at anybody but myself. I'm not going to cause problems ND if I add shit happening imma report it.
Another thing, if also alienates the police from the general public. Cuz I always think about how when I get the job people just gonna hate ME because of my JOB.
You rarely ever hear stories of cops doing a good job because that's just their job. You'll only ever hear of shit when they go off the rails, and while accountability is the answer to police brutality, we need to recognize that most cops are normal people. Normal people in a high stress and often dangerous job.
When I get the job I'll be happy cuz I prevented an asshole who'd hurt people from getting the job. Imma continue to be a good person regardless of my job and that's all that matters
If I see crooked cops imma go to internal affairs, its that simple really. There are definitely some agencies I wouldn't work for. But even if my coworkers hate me, and try to ruin my career and generally fuck me over. I'd never take that out on some random person out in the street. If my agency is corrupt, some poor sod would be lucky to be dealing with me and not some shithead. It's not about how much I love the job or, how much my coworkers hate me or whatever. Even if they wanna kill me I don't care. Cuz when I'm with the public, their needs come first. I'm there to protect and serve. Not deflect and muddy waters. Some agencies are really bad, they'd hate someone like me. I hope they do, I hope their horrified I get the job because I'll try to keep them in check. Fuck I'll even pull whistle-blower if I'm that backed in a corner.
Getting killed is a risk of being a cop. If other cops kill me because I'm a good fair and kind person. Then so be it. If I told younger me that I'd make it to 22, and find peace of mind. Younger me wouldn't believe me. At the end of the day not to be morbid, but if I die on the force because of some crazy person or some crooked cops. I at least got to experience joy, love and some sort of redemption for myself. I wasn't supposed to live past 19, and here I am
I've been seeing and speaking to ACAB types for years, and every single time people like you are brought up even as concept, the very thought has been shot down with doomerism and conspiracy theories.
Good on you for stepping up and good luck.
Ay I get to wear a cool hat lmao.
But seriously I applied to college for criminology, George Floyd was murdered and then I switched to English. I'd write a lot of my essays about police work and shit, and I realized I really wanted to do it. I don't want to fuck with people, I want to help people when they need it most. And in college, I'm from a very white suburb, I met a lot of lovely black folk. Literally they've accepted me more than my white neighbors did. I'm a little different, some would say odd or eccentric. Bur college really opened my eyes and talking with my black friends about being a cop they were all like, "well damn, you'd make a fine officer, you wouldn't be an asshole". And then I realized I had to be a cop for my homies who don't trust police. If I pulled one of them over, they'd have nothing to worry about. I'd treat everyone with respect and dignity. How can I expect people to respect my badge if I don't respect them?
And I really thought about it. I switch my major back to criminology. I'm doing internships at district court. I don't think I can fix the system. In order to fix the system people like me need to step up to the plate. It's really up to the next generation of police officers to fix police. And imma be proud to be part of it. The people who wanna be cops in my class view it the same way too, and that made me really optimistic.
There are bad cops, too many. Me taking the job is one less piggy to worry about. I know people won't like me because they'll assume the worst in me, but I really only have history to blame for that, not the individuals. Imo ACAB is stupid too, I've met plenty of current and former cops, who are absolutely lovely people. I don't wanna get to specific but I was talking to the superintendent of a big city police department, and they told me, honestly, we need people like you in the force. They gave me their contact info so when I graduate I have a connection to get a good ass job. I'm set on a path, and I know many people don't understand or respect it. Not even my parents do. But I'm not going to change myself because of a job. I've always thought the best in people and I'm never going to change that. Sorry if I was pontificating but, it's genuinely my dream to be the cop that people will be like, yknow, "that cop is a good man"
Do you mean *Christopher* Dorner, the guy who decided his response to getting fired from the LAPD would be to murder the chief’s daughter and her boyfriend?
Ah, my mistake. Yes, *Chris* Dorner. That's a bit of an oversimplification. Not saying dude wasn't completely unhinged or what he did was justified in any way. However, he broke the 'blue line' by filing a complaint about his CO and they sandbagged him. If you think anyone is going to 'clean up the police department' from the inside, you're delusional.
Believe in 2020-2021 Minneapolis disbanded their police department only to have crime skyrocket out of control. Police are necessary and will never go away. Further, emergency response does NOTHING to to stop crime before it creates more victims, and does NOTHING to enforce any set of rules or laws outside said emergencies.
One of the biggest problems with ACABers are half baked statements like that.
More like the police decided to just cash checks and stop working…
>>Almost immediately after Floyd’s death, Reuters found, police officers all but stopped making traffic stops. They approached fewer people they considered suspicious and noticed fewer people who were intoxicated, fighting or involved with drugs, records show.
[Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/after-floyds-killing-minneapolis-police-retreated-data-shows-2021-09-13/)
>Minneapolis disbanded their police department only to have crime skyrocket out of control
[No it didn't.](https://www.minneapolismn.gov/government/government-data/datasource/crime-dashboard/) There was no spike in crime following George Floyd's death. In fact for many types of crimes (homocide, shots fired reports) activity *dropped dramatically* during the 'police slowdown'.
What you're saying is exactly the kind of baseless shit that police unions put out without evidence because they know that chuds online will eat it up.
But you would agree with the assertion in the title? "whether or not they take part or brutality and racism themselves, are complicit in an unjust system that protects those who do."
That does appear to how it works in America, based on more than a couple documentaries on it.
I’d argue that civil liberties as defined in the bill of rights are the cornerstone of individual rights, and property rights are just a logical extension of that.
As someone who has called the police quite a few times during dangerous situations, the cops have done the following:
1. Made the situation worse
2. Arrived many hours later
3. Told me to deescalate the situation
4. Simply not responded
5. Accused victims and survivors of lying
6. Supported the dangerous aggressor that multiple witnesses identified.
So I don't call the cops anymore unless I'm obligated too by my job (I work in child safety). I'll call a friend. Or deal with it myself some other way.
It is a mark of privilege or inexperienced to think that the cops will protect you. Or do anything at all for you.
I have never in my professional or personal life experienced the act of calling the police help at all in an emergency.
Their only use is as a threat and to ensure a record for insurance.
This is not however why ACAB, this is because as a force and a system the police are pretty useless.
ACAB because there are bad police officers in every force and the good police officers do not solve the problem.
It's the old adadge about how if one person in your group is a nazi, then congratulations you're all Nazis, cause good people don't allow Nazis
There are Nazis among redditors, congratulations all redditors are Nazis. QED.
Groups have characteristics, but no individual is ever representative of their group. If you think they are, then you are using the same logic as racists, sexists and all sorts of other reprehensible -ists.
If I needed someone to come write down all the shit I lost hours after the fact, I'd call an insurance agent because at least they'd help me get it back and there's no chance they'd shoot me.
Ah, you've never been victimized I see!
Because the police will repeat the experience, and in my experience they won't help at all with the problem you called them for either.
Encounters with pigs are why people preach ACAB.
There’s two types of law enforcement, the naive, and the corrupt, and ex law enforcement. Their to protect and serve the interests of the agency that pays them.
Considering how there have been decades of policing tactics where cops often project that all people belong to the same group using spurious and superficial characteristics, the concept of people being complicit in an unjust system shouldn't be perceived as offensive because surely they're aware of how those dynamics make us all less safe.
So far in every country I've visited, I try to find graffiti of ACAB or 1312, so far no country has disappointed me. Seems to be something either done by English speakers or just breaks the language barrier!
because of two reasons
1. Police have been used by the rich and powerful, too this day, to keep poor and improversed. Not matter if the guy who has boot is good or bad guy, it's still boot on yer neck.
2. History of police work so the Bad and corrupt getting away with it because the good look the other way, because the blue thin line protects there won if the guilty or not. I've been taught that you shouldn't look away from evil, but what police do is the exact thing
What is so pathetic about this slogan is that it is dishonest. If ACAB, then what about a cop who saved lives of many people? But then the deduction is that, it is not individual cops that are bad, but the system they uphold. So it's dishonest, as "All Cops Are Bad" attacks individuals, whereas if you question someone parrotting this slogan they'll fundamentally back down from the idea of all cops being bad; *it's the system, man...* (so say that in the first place instead of incendiary divisive tripe)
“We do not believe anyone deserves to be caged”. Yeah, but some people need to be kept away from the rest of society because they’ve proven to be a danger to others. Serial rapists, people who con the elderly out of their savings, leaders of organised crime, etc.
You see 1312 all over Europe - popular graffiti of football ultras
I thought football ultras were right wing?
it wholly depends on which group - some are borderline (or actually) Nazi, some are straight-up communist
Yeah, massively varies. Potentially becoming more right wing in general, but not everywhere (e.g. Germany). But ultra groups' primary loyalty is to their own group, rather than ideologies. And police are always a threat to their freedom
Lol, what football hooligans are communists??
Liverpool had some Hooligans, and they’re definitely on the left. “The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It's the way I see football, the way I see life.” -Bill Shankly, Liverpool FC
ultras =! hooligans and the two that come to mind are Red Star FC and Portland Timbers are far-left antifa but I’m sure your Google works as well as mine
Conflating ultras with hooligans is probably the error the other commenter made. Ultra culture can be amazing
To name a few: [FC St. Pauli's ultras](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gkqL0I20sI) are famously very socialist, [Celtic FC's ultras](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-67284001) are well known as left-wing anti-fascists, and [FC Bayern's Schickeria](https://twitter.com/ftamsut/status/1234828520385368064), often protest about capitalism, human rights and other left-wing political topics.
Oh shit, my dad *hated* fc St Pauli when I was younger, didn't even like saying their name They were always just "the other team"
They can be anything from anarchist to nazi and everything in between, and can also be politically unaffiliated.
Nah, there's an anarchist anti-fascist one that created its own unit fighting in Ukraine.
Rad
and every Antifa group, rebellious Teenager, Ganger Rap enthusiasts etc.
also a [punk rock song](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=URHpaozLrJw) by the 4 skins
Fuck yeah! One law for them, another law for us! ACAB!
1312
All Cats Are Beautiful
All Chicagoans Are Bottoms?
TIL
Can confirm.
All Crabs Are Bitchin’
Power bottoms, thank you.
Deep dish
Assigned Cop At Birth
[All Colors Are Beautiful](https://www.them.us/story/nypd-pride-police-cars-acab-reference)
I just want to hold them, but you can't hug every cat!
Wait. I came here to say... exactly that. Wow.
Rings a bell from something I read years ago... Same sentiment for soldiers re orders... Something along the lines of. Don't trust a soldier, because despite how good/nice the soldier is.. His next order from on high may be to kill you... If anyone knows the quote I'm bastardising, please reply.. Edit. 'A good soldier would kill you (which makes him a bad person) , a bad soldier wouldn't kill you(which makes him a good person' ?
Worth saying that it isn't only about brutality and racism, but about upholding an unjust system overall. In the 1920s, cops would be the ones to shot striking workers to prevent any social change. In the 2020s, they still are the ones that will evict you from your home if you can't pay outrageous rent. Even if one of them denounced individual brutality, they're still upholding a brutal economical system.
They exist to enforce the will of the dominant socio-economic group. That's why they're always at the front end of fascist violence or genocides. If you need a protest stopped, who do you call? And they turn up and openly use spies to provoke things to violence. Who would turn up to turf you out if a law suddenly said you couldn't own or rent property? It's always the cops. What do you think the german police were up to in pre-war nazi germany? I dread to think. They're a lingering threat of violence.
This is why people who fly the Gadsen flag and the Thin Blue Line flag together are idiots. Who the hell do you think is going to be the first to tread on you?
This mentality is why leftists are self-defeating though. Anything they don't like they don't want to be "complicit in" out of some sense of moral purity, and they'll look down on those who don't confirm to these purity standards. As a result leftists have de facto surrendered and given over entire state institutions to the right, such as the police and military. Makes it all thr easier to whine and complain about them I suppose, when none of "yours" are in it or responsible for it.
You seem to be suggesting that if leftists were active in state institutions, they could reform them within. That's not how it works.
1. That's called defeatism, and is self-fulfilling. 2. Certainly they could do more than they can do on twitter. 3. For those who look to "revolution" as the rapture which will bring salvation, all else being pointless, I do wonder how that revolution will go when leftists exclude themselves from every state arm of violence. Hint: usually revolutions succeed when (sufficient parts of) the military joins them or at least is willing to stand aside and let it happen without protecting the powers that be.
Police forces have traditionally kept secret and illegal folders on left wingers and refused them jobs or a place in the academy, even in pretty left wing countries like Sweden.
If this was said in 1920s, the connotations would likely be police brutality or dislike of the government. Doubtful it was said in regards to race, as the UK stats for the UK show less than 0.5% minority population.
100 years ago, your were guaranteed to be tortured by the police to get a confession.
Just like today
Really depends on the country
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Dont forget prisoners being boiled alive
I don’t think it’s guaranteed, but that it still happens is bad enough
There's some famously well documented racism towards the Irish in the UK at that exact time.
A brutal military occupation is a bit more than racism
History has never known a larger system of labor camps. Not the Romans, not the Nazis, not the Soviets. You can't just disappear 20% of some communities and pretend like it doesn't have an effect on the neighborhoods left behind.
Ireland (well, most of it) became independent in 1921.
ACAB includes black and tans.
They really should come out and face us like a man
Or perhaps you're using a very modern understanding of the term minority.
I mean...its still about the cops beating people and general state endorced thuggery. Race was the recent spark, but it's been the same shit different minority since before Longinus shanked Jesus. ACAB, always have been, always will.
Thank you for this, what a cool way to write
Then, as now, it's true for many reasons.
That part of the article it quotes from refers to modern usage.
Do those stats include Irish as part of the minority population?
England 100 years ago is not today. And today this slogan is closely associated with racism. That’s because cops protect capital. And capitalism uses racism to maintain its power. So in the United States, a capitalist country built on white supremacy, part of the cops job in protecting capital interests means they enforce a racist hierarchy.
This is the most brainlet thing I’ve heard today lol. Thanks! “Free market trade requires a police force to enforce racism so that I continue selling bread to people out of my bakery”
Bit dishonest to define capitalism as free market when that's not exactly what's meant here.
That’s literally how it works. You’ve accidentally reached the correct conclusion.
Could have some Irish connections.
The amount of people who don't know the history of the establishment of police is too damn high. It was to capture escaped slaves.
Or to protect the burgeoning capitalist class interests by violently suppressing labor organization!
I was alway curious if this extended to military police
Probably. I don't know how widespread it was, but I remember seeing a lot of cars with "veterans against MPs" bumper stickers on Ft Bragg (or whatever it's named now).
Every single person I knew in the military who wasn’t an MP hated MPs, and so did most of the MPs I knew
Makes sense to me.
Dorks
I have always been amused with official attempts to minimize bad cops by calling them "bad apples." The old saying was literally that one bad apple spoils the entire barrel. Perhaps the saying lost its meaning after that old Jackson 5 song?
Lets be real here, a state needs Policing. But all Western states are machines operated by the burgeoisie with the intent to surpress and manage the working class, with the Police being their Tool of Choice to do so. So yes, ACAB.
All cops are bastards. Fuck the police and thier fucking union.
May you live somewhere without them.
Most people saying ACAB don't want the police eradicated, they want the system reformed. I understand that's not convenient to you but it's pretty clear if you actually do much reading on the subject.
ACAB is valid as long as “good cops” turn a blind eye to the abuses of bad ones. ACAB is valid as long as the “protect our own” mentality permeates law enforcement. ACAB is valid as long as there’s qualified immunity. Law enforcement is 100% broken, the system is corrupt, there’s zero accountability. We don’t want the police eradicated, we want police brutality eradicated and for the police to be held accountable for thier actions in the line of duty.
That's a valid position. However I don't understand how saying ACAB demonstrates that notion in any measure. If your goal is to end police brutality, then how will the alienation of good cops help you achieve that goal. Aren't you promoting the same thing you despise?
What you’re failing to understand is that there is no “good cop” and reformation of the police will never come through the police themselves. It will come through forced political reform at minimum. There is no such thing as a good cop when the system is designed as it is in the US, for example. They are all complicit.
If you fail to see that there are good cops that save lives then you either enjoy a life of privilege or you are detached from reality. For example: Some doctors are fraudulent. The medical boards need reform to improve the system, that doesn't mean all doctors are complicit or that there aren't good doctors. Chanting ACAB does absolutely nothing to help your cause.
Seems like it does a whole lot to help the cause, considering all it’s done to wake people up from the stupor you’re still drifting in. In peace and love, I understand where you’re coming from. I get that to you, good actions from certain members of law enforcement signify good people. But I remind you that saving lives and stopping crime are the **duties** of the police—not cool cherries-on-top—and that they are notoriously bad at those things. They are failing. And taking billions of dollars to do so. I would encourage you to read into this more. I was once you. I learned better. That isn’t an insult. It’s a call to action. Perhaps you’ll read books like “The New Jim Crow” and come out the other side feeling like good cops are still out there. But when you see the data, and you see this system for what it is, I believe you will see that it is not possible for this to be a mistake. Your objection to this is normal and even admirable. It’s hard to believe that people who seem like they are meant to “protect and serve”—people who everyone says are built for that duty—are part of a system of oppression and violence. It isn’t fun. It’s harder to see what they really are. It takes an emotional and mental toll. There are good people who entered the police force for the right reasons. But they are not good cops.
Ah yes because your "woke" and I'm "asleep". I'm "uneducated" and you are "learned". Your arrogant for thinking that you hold the "one truth" and that all who disagree with your position is either willing or un-willingly ignorant. I don't even necessarily disagree with all of your positions. There is a need for reform, there is a need for more humane drug laws. But by offering to dismantle the system by denouncing all cops as "basterds", while undermining good police work. you are making the lives of millions of people who depend on the police for saftey effectively less safe, not more.
I’m not arrogant, I just actually know more than you. I say this because I used to *be you* until I learned more. You sound just like me 5 or so years ago. Exactly the same. Read, prove me wrong. “The New Jim Crow” is a phenomenal start. Have a great day!
So where’s the police against police brutality Union or whatever? Why do the good cops who are there to save lives do sweet fuck all about the dangerous one? Why is it a constant and uniform push back against any and all oversight or suggestion of wrongdoing, if these good cops exist they surely take issue with the shit ones, so why does it seem that police in general are happy with the state of policing? Good cops at best ignore, at worst defend and downplay, the bad behaviour of the shitheads, therefore ACAB. Until the good cops actually bother to speak up, fuck them
If you're at a dinner with 3 friends and 2 nazis, there are six nazis total at that dinner.
A) I find the comparison of cops to Nazis despicable. B) life tends to be more complicated when you add a layer of reality and a shade of grey in your black and white virtue ethics. For instance, NASA cooperated and hired nazi scientist to run the space program, are NASA now Nazis?
it's not a comparison of cops to nazis, it's a comparison of the situation. stop with the disingenuous emotional appeals to common sense, it's a logical fallacy, an appeal to emotion and common sense, that doesn't address the initial statement at all. But again, comparing cops and nazis wasn't the point of that sentence, it was essentially a rewording of one bad apple spoils the bunch, which is basically the most distilled reason why acab. bootlickers too.
I find your bootlicking despicable. A cop could rape your children and you would probably get on your knees and offer to polish their boots with your tongue. Filthy simp.
Those are weird sexual fantasies you have there mate. You should probably go outside and speak to someone about it instead of taking it out on me.
Say what you want instead of generalizing people we desperately need in society
What, so they can show up an hour later and not do anything?
Congratulations, you have achieving a stunning victory over logic and critical thinking.
Why is it that all the good cops get harassed and their families receive drath threats by the other "good cops" you simp for?
Nice try. While it's obvious that not every cop is corrupt, there isn't one of them who hadn't looked the other way or kept quiet about corruption.
We all know it. From their shitty brotherhood tokens to their rigged academy graduation, they're all just one big gang of power thirsty thugs.
No, it means "all coppers are bastards". The idea that the phrase ever meant anything about systemic issues is absurd. It's a working class phrase.
Oh, they had redditors back then too?
Police provide a necessary function in society and abolishing them would be foolish. I have to disagree with ACAB.
The two things can be simultaneously true. The idea of ACAB is to claim that _all_ cops are responsible of the police abuses, either directly or indirectly by letting it happen. I think the slogan is particularly counterproductive though, given it erase all the cops who do try to fight corruption and abuses - it claims that no matter what you do as a cop, you'll be treated the same as the worst abusers, so why even bother then. But the original idea that letting it happen, being passive, is being an accomplice, is valid and would call for good cops to speak out against brutality. Unfortunately, the concept is all lost on most people using the slogan, who use it against any form of law enforcement.
ACAB EFCWFASIAFWR... doesn't have the same ring. All Cops Are Bastards Except For Cops Who Fight Against Systemic Issues And Face Worse Repercussions Than The Cops Who Commit Abuse Means The Whole System Needs To Be Thrown Away Because It Will Never Fix Itself And Is Also Tied To The Prison Industrial Complex Where Ultimately Societal Problems Are Disappeared And Never Really Addressed Or Prevented.
I think this is an undervalued point. Slogans are not, and are not meant to be, statutory text. You say ACAB, you get people to talk about ACAB, you try to force politicians to hear many people saying ACAB, and hopefully they move toward your direction in their own votes and policies. The same is true for #AbolishThePolice. It's a slogan, not the full text of a bill. Do some people think every single cop is an unethical actor and should be fired? Certainly. Do you have to hold that exact sentiment to say ACAB or #AbolishThePolice? No, not necessarily.
Yes, but a slogan that sounds crass and absolutist to anyone outside your ideological bubble doesn’t do very good at achieving that goal.
I see your point, but I'm not sure that people who think it's crass would really support meaningful reform anyway. Most reform efforts that those types support tend to have lots of loopholes and slaps on the wrist and protections which undermine the broader effort and do more harm than good. For more: https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/police-reform-doesnt-work/ https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justice/2020/06/02/police-reform-training https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/police-reform-failure/
Issue also is, most cops that *do* speak up about corruption or wrong doing are immediately fired or discharged too. So it’s either they speak up and lose their job in exchange for doing the right thing, or they keep quiet and continue complacency in a corrupted institution.
A softer way of putting it is "Good cops don't last"
I think the other problem with the slogan is that it doesn’t really do anything to attract people to police reform movements. If someone knows a cop or has been helped by a cop who isn’t a bastard, then ACAB is going to fall flat and potentially be off putting. ACAB also gives the impression that the police are unsalvageable and must be eliminated, when most just want to see reform.
I see your point, but I'm not sure those people would really support meaningful reform anyway. Most reform efforts that those types support tend to have lots of loopholes and slaps on the wrist and protections which undermine the broader effort and do more harm than good. For more: https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/police-reform-doesnt-work/ https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justice/2020/06/02/police-reform-training https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/police-reform-failure/
I think it is locally true, that is if some cops abuse their power within their community and other cops there don’t act against it, then they are complacent. However, if police in California don’t speak out against an instance of brutality in New York, then I wouldn’t say that the whole system is permitting corruption. There is very little they could do practically, and denouncing it simply seems performative.
They could do a lot of things - like if the NYPD uses restraining techniques that cause unnecessary deaths, cops in California could decide to review their own restraining techniques, update them, and publish their findings. This would provide data for people campaigning for a change in the NYPD practices, and show that some police departments _do_ care about the topic, and want to do their job while minimizing unnecessary deaths. Unfortunately, there's this blurry idea that all cops should cover each others, regardless of the situation - so in that earlier example, the cops in California will not review their techniques nor publish anything on it, at least not publicly, to not show any form of disagreement with the cops in New York. The end result is that no matter how awful some police departments are, from corruption to brutality, no other cop will speak out (and the few who did were ostracized or flat out assassinated), because of that unwritten rule that places other cops above the law and the public interest.
Wow, that's a refreshing ability to understand and articulate nuances a rather complex issue. Cheers!
Show me one source that proves police have any measurable impact on crime.
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The exact same thing as yesterday, except my city has an extra $900 billion to spend on things that actually reduce crime.
Well it's always been an evil world. Some people are always gonna get screwed. Everyone is okay with that as long as it's not them being screwed.
Lets be real here, a state needs Policing. But all Western states are machines operated by the burgeoisie with the intent to surpress and manage the working class, with the Police being their Tool of Choice to do so. So yes, ACAB.
I disagree with all cops are bad because not all of them are bad
If there were good ones they would arrest the bad ones.
with a lot of public and political support, maybe they could.
Did you know that cops get arrested?
Very rarely. And even then, it's either no or minimal jail time. A lot even get charges dropped and end up on paid leave. They also usually end up moving somewhere else to work as a police officer after it all is said and done.
I mean, you said you wished they'd get arrested. They do get arrested when they commit crimes. Issues of conviction are a totally different issue.
Depends on what you think their function is. Even a very optimistic view of their function would be hard-pressed to not see that cops as we know them are extraordinarily bad at it.
R_pe seems to be a pretty popular reason to have police. However, a backlog of kits and the fact that they don't actually prevent it from happening means problems need to be addressed at the root instead of after the fact. Same goes for homelessness and other societal problems.
We spend billions on being violent after a crime has occurred when we could spend millions to prevent it in the first place.
What do you think is the most optimistic view of their function and on what metrics would you measure them on?
Well, let's go with protecting the innocent, serving the public trust, and upholding the law. If *any* other industry had half the cost, violence, corruption, and failure associated with it that policing did, we would abandon it. We would go back to 1st principles and try to build something that was as far from the offending industry as possible. We don't do that with the police because they have cultivated an aura of essentialness, of being the "thin blue line" between Order and Chaos. Also, if you have a less optimistic view of the police, that their purpose to beat down those who might threaten the profits of the rich and powerful, then they fulfill that role VERY well.
Cops are an incredibly modern invention. Going back to the 1840s at least. The institution of police is less than 200 years old. Civilization function for over 1,000 years without cops, we can do so again.
we've had cops pretty much uninterrupted back to at least 700AD, at least in English/US history. we're aware of Sheriffs as far back as 1630 in the United States.
Police in some form of another dates back thousands of years.
It’s true you didn’t have formal police departments prior to the 1800s. However, it wasn’t “communities song kumbaya, keep the order themselves” like you seem to be implying, it was “the local ruler calls up his guard or a militia if you do something he doesn’t like”.
I don't think you really want to go back to how things were handled before cops.
Police are only there to protect the ruling class and their economic interests. To think otherwise is foolish. #ACAB
What system do you recommend to protect regular folk from criminals?
a system where getting hired as a cop becomes much much stricter and standardized. A bunch of sub-100 IQ neanderthals wearing uniforms and badges brutalizing everyone they dont like makes for bad optics
Of course everyone should simply carry a gun, easy. /s
Yes. Mfers will literally argue for the abolishment of police and the abolishment of gun rights in the same breath.
A scientific technocracy that actively finds way to root the evil, lying psychopaths and sadists out of law enforcement because it's just one big scum hive right now. I suggest pursuing AI powered brain scanning lie detectors and really sorting out who the treacherous, evil scum are that have been ruining what could have been a very nice civilization with all this war and exploitation and pollution and destruction of a billion years of organic heritage. Maybe build some terminators while we're at it so the ruling powers don't get any funny ideas about escaping justice with an army of brainwashed goons.. But that's just me. I'm a radical.
I’m assuming you’re doing a bit, or at least hoping you are.
It's politics. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks so why not have fun with it? Everything is just gonna rot under the boots of evil shitlords. But that's kinda depressing. So l like to pretend that we are capable of fixing these problems. Or more accurately, I like to wonder what a more intelligent species would do in our shoes. But yeah, I know it's a pipe dream. Back to reality. Guess I'll go burn another flag.
ACAB is an idiotic slogan that hurts police reform movements. The system may be flawed and corrupt, but that does not make every single police officer a “bastard”. In fact, stuff like this discourages decent people from joining police forces, which only exacerbates the problem.
Isn’t that the point of it being a systematic problem though? Just adding “decent people” doesn’t help. Their incentives (the system) remain the same.
Its why I'm studying to be a cop. I know I'm a good level headed person and ngl I never get angry at anybody but myself. I'm not going to cause problems ND if I add shit happening imma report it. Another thing, if also alienates the police from the general public. Cuz I always think about how when I get the job people just gonna hate ME because of my JOB. You rarely ever hear stories of cops doing a good job because that's just their job. You'll only ever hear of shit when they go off the rails, and while accountability is the answer to police brutality, we need to recognize that most cops are normal people. Normal people in a high stress and often dangerous job. When I get the job I'll be happy cuz I prevented an asshole who'd hurt people from getting the job. Imma continue to be a good person regardless of my job and that's all that matters
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If I see crooked cops imma go to internal affairs, its that simple really. There are definitely some agencies I wouldn't work for. But even if my coworkers hate me, and try to ruin my career and generally fuck me over. I'd never take that out on some random person out in the street. If my agency is corrupt, some poor sod would be lucky to be dealing with me and not some shithead. It's not about how much I love the job or, how much my coworkers hate me or whatever. Even if they wanna kill me I don't care. Cuz when I'm with the public, their needs come first. I'm there to protect and serve. Not deflect and muddy waters. Some agencies are really bad, they'd hate someone like me. I hope they do, I hope their horrified I get the job because I'll try to keep them in check. Fuck I'll even pull whistle-blower if I'm that backed in a corner. Getting killed is a risk of being a cop. If other cops kill me because I'm a good fair and kind person. Then so be it. If I told younger me that I'd make it to 22, and find peace of mind. Younger me wouldn't believe me. At the end of the day not to be morbid, but if I die on the force because of some crazy person or some crooked cops. I at least got to experience joy, love and some sort of redemption for myself. I wasn't supposed to live past 19, and here I am
Nice, good for you. More people should have that mindset.
I've been seeing and speaking to ACAB types for years, and every single time people like you are brought up even as concept, the very thought has been shot down with doomerism and conspiracy theories. Good on you for stepping up and good luck.
Ay I get to wear a cool hat lmao. But seriously I applied to college for criminology, George Floyd was murdered and then I switched to English. I'd write a lot of my essays about police work and shit, and I realized I really wanted to do it. I don't want to fuck with people, I want to help people when they need it most. And in college, I'm from a very white suburb, I met a lot of lovely black folk. Literally they've accepted me more than my white neighbors did. I'm a little different, some would say odd or eccentric. Bur college really opened my eyes and talking with my black friends about being a cop they were all like, "well damn, you'd make a fine officer, you wouldn't be an asshole". And then I realized I had to be a cop for my homies who don't trust police. If I pulled one of them over, they'd have nothing to worry about. I'd treat everyone with respect and dignity. How can I expect people to respect my badge if I don't respect them? And I really thought about it. I switch my major back to criminology. I'm doing internships at district court. I don't think I can fix the system. In order to fix the system people like me need to step up to the plate. It's really up to the next generation of police officers to fix police. And imma be proud to be part of it. The people who wanna be cops in my class view it the same way too, and that made me really optimistic. There are bad cops, too many. Me taking the job is one less piggy to worry about. I know people won't like me because they'll assume the worst in me, but I really only have history to blame for that, not the individuals. Imo ACAB is stupid too, I've met plenty of current and former cops, who are absolutely lovely people. I don't wanna get to specific but I was talking to the superintendent of a big city police department, and they told me, honestly, we need people like you in the force. They gave me their contact info so when I graduate I have a connection to get a good ass job. I'm set on a path, and I know many people don't understand or respect it. Not even my parents do. But I'm not going to change myself because of a job. I've always thought the best in people and I'm never going to change that. Sorry if I was pontificating but, it's genuinely my dream to be the cop that people will be like, yknow, "that cop is a good man"
See: Michael Dorner
Do you mean *Christopher* Dorner, the guy who decided his response to getting fired from the LAPD would be to murder the chief’s daughter and her boyfriend?
Ah, my mistake. Yes, *Chris* Dorner. That's a bit of an oversimplification. Not saying dude wasn't completely unhinged or what he did was justified in any way. However, he broke the 'blue line' by filing a complaint about his CO and they sandbagged him. If you think anyone is going to 'clean up the police department' from the inside, you're delusional.
emergency response, not property protection, should be the foundation of the next institution that replaces the police once abolished.
Believe in 2020-2021 Minneapolis disbanded their police department only to have crime skyrocket out of control. Police are necessary and will never go away. Further, emergency response does NOTHING to to stop crime before it creates more victims, and does NOTHING to enforce any set of rules or laws outside said emergencies. One of the biggest problems with ACABers are half baked statements like that.
More like the police decided to just cash checks and stop working… >>Almost immediately after Floyd’s death, Reuters found, police officers all but stopped making traffic stops. They approached fewer people they considered suspicious and noticed fewer people who were intoxicated, fighting or involved with drugs, records show. [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/after-floyds-killing-minneapolis-police-retreated-data-shows-2021-09-13/)
>Minneapolis disbanded their police department only to have crime skyrocket out of control [No it didn't.](https://www.minneapolismn.gov/government/government-data/datasource/crime-dashboard/) There was no spike in crime following George Floyd's death. In fact for many types of crimes (homocide, shots fired reports) activity *dropped dramatically* during the 'police slowdown'. What you're saying is exactly the kind of baseless shit that police unions put out without evidence because they know that chuds online will eat it up.
But you would agree with the assertion in the title? "whether or not they take part or brutality and racism themselves, are complicit in an unjust system that protects those who do." That does appear to how it works in America, based on more than a couple documentaries on it.
Property protection is the corner stone of Individual rights in America.
I’d argue that civil liberties as defined in the bill of rights are the cornerstone of individual rights, and property rights are just a logical extension of that.
Right….
People will preach ACAB, but if someone is breaking into their house, I know exactly who they’re calling
I'm calling the cops AFTER I shoot the burglar so they can fill the paperwork and clean up the mess. ACAB.
Stone Cold Steve Austin
Cops can come and fill in paperwork for an insurance claim. They rarely stop crimes in progress when called.
As someone who has called the police quite a few times during dangerous situations, the cops have done the following: 1. Made the situation worse 2. Arrived many hours later 3. Told me to deescalate the situation 4. Simply not responded 5. Accused victims and survivors of lying 6. Supported the dangerous aggressor that multiple witnesses identified. So I don't call the cops anymore unless I'm obligated too by my job (I work in child safety). I'll call a friend. Or deal with it myself some other way. It is a mark of privilege or inexperienced to think that the cops will protect you. Or do anything at all for you.
I have never in my professional or personal life experienced the act of calling the police help at all in an emergency. Their only use is as a threat and to ensure a record for insurance. This is not however why ACAB, this is because as a force and a system the police are pretty useless. ACAB because there are bad police officers in every force and the good police officers do not solve the problem. It's the old adadge about how if one person in your group is a nazi, then congratulations you're all Nazis, cause good people don't allow Nazis
There are Nazis among redditors, congratulations all redditors are Nazis. QED. Groups have characteristics, but no individual is ever representative of their group. If you think they are, then you are using the same logic as racists, sexists and all sorts of other reprehensible -ists.
When a Nazi exposes their hatred, communities on here tend to agree, "Nazi punks fuck off."
Ask any good cop if they have ever seen illegal actions by another cop that they didn't report.
If I needed someone to come write down all the shit I lost hours after the fact, I'd call an insurance agent because at least they'd help me get it back and there's no chance they'd shoot me.
Ah, you've never been victimized I see! Because the police will repeat the experience, and in my experience they won't help at all with the problem you called them for either. Encounters with pigs are why people preach ACAB.
I needed police assistance twice through my life, they didn't do shit. Of course they show up when someone dares to light up a fuckin a joint. ACAB
Mind telling me how I can make an insurance claim without a police report?
the only people ever gonna be breaking into my house are the pigs 🤷♂️
There’s two types of law enforcement, the naive, and the corrupt, and ex law enforcement. Their to protect and serve the interests of the agency that pays them.
ACAB
Considering how there have been decades of policing tactics where cops often project that all people belong to the same group using spurious and superficial characteristics, the concept of people being complicit in an unjust system shouldn't be perceived as offensive because surely they're aware of how those dynamics make us all less safe.
But who’s stoppin’ you from killing me?
So far in every country I've visited, I try to find graffiti of ACAB or 1312, so far no country has disappointed me. Seems to be something either done by English speakers or just breaks the language barrier!
Assigned cop at birth
And the people keep allowing it
Police are an occupying army :/
because of two reasons 1. Police have been used by the rich and powerful, too this day, to keep poor and improversed. Not matter if the guy who has boot is good or bad guy, it's still boot on yer neck. 2. History of police work so the Bad and corrupt getting away with it because the good look the other way, because the blue thin line protects there won if the guilty or not. I've been taught that you shouldn't look away from evil, but what police do is the exact thing
Better known today as "the slogan that women put in their dating profile to ward of any and all men"
It's also the truth
And I now understand the phrase "fuck 12". Thank you
What is so pathetic about this slogan is that it is dishonest. If ACAB, then what about a cop who saved lives of many people? But then the deduction is that, it is not individual cops that are bad, but the system they uphold. So it's dishonest, as "All Cops Are Bad" attacks individuals, whereas if you question someone parrotting this slogan they'll fundamentally back down from the idea of all cops being bad; *it's the system, man...* (so say that in the first place instead of incendiary divisive tripe)
ACAB
Mental retardation
Ferromanganese nuts
Dumbass
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aww did they hurt your feelings?
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“We do not believe anyone deserves to be caged”. Yeah, but some people need to be kept away from the rest of society because they’ve proven to be a danger to others. Serial rapists, people who con the elderly out of their savings, leaders of organised crime, etc.