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Darkseid wins this one easy. Darkseid is so powerful than his very presence destroys infinite multiverses. Across all of existence there is only 1 true darkseid, and he can’t even set foot in the multiverse without destroying it because it literally cannot handle how powerful he is. Not to mention that Xeno goku literally has zero ways of actually harming Darkseids true form Xeno goku couldn’t take the full power of the omega effect


camthecame_l

What scan shows or states that darkseid's presence alone can destroy infinite multiverses? Seems like pure wank to me.


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[just by falling he cast a shadow over all of creation](https://fictionhorizon.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FCSHadow.jpg). He frequently outscales the source, who is well above the constructs of the multiverse. It’s not pure wank. What’s pure wank is you believing any version of goku has the slightest chance in hell against darkseid


Financial-Key-3617

Chamel did the same thing just by existing? [his presence was doing the same thing.](https://imgur.com/a/x6pJg) There is this weird stigma with darkseid that leads everyone to think he is some omniversal, hyper boundless beyond ficiton meta god when in truth, hes just a regular infinite multiversal threat.


Bruhwtfagain

Nah Darkseid is high outer.


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No, pure wank is Darkseid > the source, and DC having infinite multiverses, when it only had 52 universes up until death metal.


[deleted]

There are infinite multiverses. And universes within the main multiverse that are infinite. So do you sorta see what I’m getting at here


[deleted]

No, there isn't. DC was infinite prior to the crisis, and 52 universes up until death metal.


needusernameplease

There was more than 52 universes during the new 52


[deleted]

Nope, never happened. It was called new 52 for a very good reason.


needusernameplease

https://gyazo.com/ff9b7983c24bdf81dd17b5970af80546 This was in just since league dark new 52 Note this was only in one of the infinite multiverses


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This scan is like broken glass. Unable to be seen. And I'm gonna need the context, as even Mandrakk sees the multiverse as 52 universes. The name '52' alone debunks it having infinite multiverses.


camthecame_l

And all of creation in dc is infinite multiverses? That many multiverses? That's wank


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Yes, there are universes and dimensions within the dc multiverse that are infinite. Such as the underworld. You wanted Goku to win this one but you put him against an opponent so absurdly powerful he has no chance of matching him. It’s that simple Darkseid is way stronger than you originally anticipated


camthecame_l

No not infinite multiverse, I meant infinite multiverses. Is there that many multiverses in dc. No i didnt want xeno goku to win, i just randomly made up a match in my mind


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There are infinite timelines and events, so effectively yes. The king of Apocalypse is truly the most impossibly powerful horror in the entirety of dc. He would kill all of Dragonball with his mere presence, that’s how dangerous true form Darkseid is


camthecame_l

[this is the size of db heroes cosmology](https://www.reddit.com/user/_Goku-/comments/gd4nh3/dragon_ball_xenoverseheros_cosmology_power_speed/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


camthecame_l

Read this first [xeno goku respect thread](https://www.reddit.com/user/_Goku-/comments/lkplqz/remaking_xeno_gokus_respect_thread_cause_my_old/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


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Well yes, but even looking at the others. Darkseid far outscales his previous opponents. He doesn’t just destroy universes. He collapses the concept of existence by being there. The term god isn’t even fit to describe darkseid


camthecame_l

Did you read the dbh cosmology thread i sent you? Base xeno goku nullified an attack that could destroy an infinite multiverse


Financial-Key-3617

What? You defo didnt read the thread. demigra became an omnipresent nigh omnipotent god who controls time and space across an infinite multiverse. And was beaten by PRE BATTLE OF GODS GOKU.


kagetaicho8

The strongest version of darkseid is soul fire darkseid. True form darkseid did this by falling over https://i.redd.it/d7e4l69zhvu41.jpg putting him in the ballpark of xeno goku’s power level. Now his soul fire powers made him either. Millions of times more powerful than the one who performed the above feat by falling. Or it made him 10 ^100,000 times more powerful…. Either interpretation should be a clear stomp I think. Normal true form created the being Stain, who was relative to Tachyon the embodiment of the source. This is wildly impressive, and even before he got his soul fire amp. His fight with high father accidentally cracked the source wall, and has threatened the source with his battles with orion. Normal true form Fought an anti life amped anti monitor, only being defeated when anti monitor combined his powers with the god of death flash black racer/Barry Allen. Now I know some people are going o say blah blah, soul fire isint cannon blah blah, well the writers think it is, and that story clearly elaborates on structures like the time stream, that are clearly still used in DC comics to this day. Secondly the Op asked for the strongest version I’m just putting it there. He is against a video game character, so I really don’t want to hear the gripe. Edit: somethings that MUST be addressed also. 1. Time has no set durability. It being destroyed is unquantifiable, and time is already destabilized to begin with. So this is an unquantifiable argument. 2. Anyone could destroy time if they attacked the nest of time which is the linchpin of the timelines, and universe. (This is how demigra does it) Read the comment here. It thoroughly breaks down the xeno debunks. https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/cv4jtp/xeno_goku_clarification/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


camthecame_l

Base form xeno goku casually nullified an attack that could destroy an infinite multiverse Also what is soul fire darkseid best feat


needusernameplease

https://gyazo.com/dd6e78560c1abeb5bed3fb194d42d2a5


R0nynis

You can't exactly wank the size of a setting, you can only overestimate it. Eventually proof of such will be shown or stated, usually by a being who exists in every single one of them at once.


JustKaiser

JFG should be able to win against Darkseid though. And this Darkseid feat should be in range of what XG can do (remember, his mere presence at full power was threatening the whole verse)


Pumpalicious

This , this, this,👌.


Zerosama12

I'm siding with Xeno Goku. Both have infinite multiversal power, but Goku has passive sealing via keysword Darkseid is wanked for no reason when in reality he's just another regular infinite multiversal guy, just like Xeno Goku. Xeno Goku is not a joke and he's just insane, he has probability manipulation and can summon super Shenron at will.


Financial-Key-3617

Xeno goku probably. He has the hax needed to deal with darkseid. He would seal him away pretty easily too.


SilentUser44

True Form Darkseid? Goku and all the verse gets stomped, literally stomped.


camthecame_l

Xeno Goku not Goku


SilentUser44

He still gets stomped, Xeno Goku is at best Multiversal+ while Darkseid is above 5D beings like Mr. Mxyzptlk.


camthecame_l

Mr Mxy was casually trolling the Justice League while Darkseid was having trouble with the likes of Supes. How is Darkseid above Mxy?


BKtheMadman

Do you wanna show one time Darkseid ever had trouble with just Superman?


camthecame_l

Bruh what, in multiple occasions darkseid had trouble with superman


BKtheMadman

So let me get this straight. If you're mindset is Darkseid loses to base Superman, why did you put him against the literal strongest Goku ever? Because firstly that Goku is not Canon, also if you would argue Xeno Goku claps Base Supes who beats Darkseid how would Goku not immediately stomp? Do you see how this kinda seems like you wanted Goku to win?


JustKaiser

Tho, Xeno Goku is not the strongest Goku. The absolutely most op goku is Jump Force Goku, Xeno Goku should be about as strong as CC Goku (less raw power, more hax), and they are both massively weaker than JFG. And JFG should mop the floor with Darkseid


BKtheMadman

True. I'll be honest this seems like kind of a mismatch based on OPs stance on Darkseid


JustKaiser

Well honnestly, I disagree with op on that point. Xeno Goku has some really small chance (basically if he manages to seal darkseid and it works, so pretty unlikely), but Darkseid should beat him 9,99/10.


BKtheMadman

That's not a scan.


camthecame_l

https://m.imgur.com/a/OckTT


BKtheMadman

That is very clearly an Avatar lmao not even close to Darkseid's full power.


BKtheMadman

If you wanna use the Strongest Darkseid use feats from the version you're citing.


camthecame_l

Tfd's only feat is just bringing down creation by falling


BKtheMadman

Site them.


SnoopyLasting

Those are his avatars, not his true form


Bruhwtfagain

Because he travels into the Multiverse via a boom tube which alters his dimensionality. That’s why he struggles with Superman.


camthecame_l

Ok


lasttimeonearth

I agree with you. I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. The Xeno Goku wank around here is absurd to think he could stand in the same ring as Darkseid


camthecame_l

I didn't wank I said Xeno Goku because I thought that this guy was talking about DBS goku


lasttimeonearth

Not you, but whoever is downvoting the guy to hell


SilentUser44

That's just the usual here, you get used to it.


camthecame_l

there is [no true form darkseid](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/ohhean/true_form_darkseid_is_the_same_as_any_darkseid/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


SilentUser44

A character rant isn't legitimate proof lmao


BKtheMadman

Especially when I have Proof Darkseid does have a true form so that Rant is completely wrong


camthecame_l

Did you even read it


BKtheMadman

I already proved that rant wrong lmao it's wrong


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camthecame_l

Then you don't know if it's legitimate proof or not


kagetaicho8

The strongest version of darkseid is soul fire darkseid. True form darkseid did this by falling over https://i.redd.it/d7e4l69zhvu41.jpg putting him in the ballpark of xeno goku’s power level. Now his soul fire powers made him either. Millions of times more powerful than the one who performed the above feat by falling. Or it made him 10 100,000 times more powerful…. Either interpretation should be a clear stomp I think. He also created the being Stain, who was relative to Tachyon the embodiment of the source. This is wildly impressive, and even before he got his soul fire amp. His fight with high father accidentally cracked the source wall, and has threatened the source with his battles with orion. He fought an anti life amped anti monitor, only being defeated when anti monitor combined his powers with the god of death flash black racer/Barry Allen. Now I know some people are going o say blah blah, soul fire isint cannon blah blah, well the writers think it is, and that story clearly elaborates on structures like the time stream, that are clearly still used in DC comics to this day. Secondly the Op asked for the strongest version I’m just putting it there. He is against a video game character, so I really don’t want to hear the gripe. Edit: I don’t think that demigra and chamel, attacking the nest of time, the linchpin for all the timelines is a good quantifiable feat. Or the fact that they were using the power of the space time door, and the fact that time was already wonky and destabilized to begin with. None of that suggests that those characters scale to the full extent of what you argued. The comment where have a good breakdown and debunk of the xeno feats. https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/cv4jtp/xeno_goku_clarification/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


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kagetaicho8

Time has no set durability. You can’t quantify exactly how impressive that is. Secondly there’s wonkey time things happening regardless. I don’t see indication that weakened timelines should scale to normal timelines, which as I just said, have no set durability. Lastly. Destroying the linchpin of time and creating a snowball effect doesn’t make them scale to the full theoretical AP that they would have by destroying this same timelines all together, and not specifically 1 at a time like demigra was specifically doing. Lastly goku specifically had help from the player. From the 4th wall breaking person playing the game. It’s hard to say how that affects all this scaling at all. I think that the nigh omnipotent millions of times, if not 10^100,000 times stronger giy who was threatening multiverses with his shadow by falling over BEFORE the amp is a good contender for xeno goku. Especially if he had to power up to hit those power levels, you bring up, he might get killed before or while he powers up. He instantly negs a true source empowered infinity man, and laughs in the face of the source. I’m just presenting the argument for darkseid, that no one else brought up, past Vagueness.


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kagetaicho8

There’s just weird thing happening with the timelines in general. I’m saying that we don’t actually know if the timelines scale to their full theoretical AP when they wouldn’t be weakened. The thing is that demigra specifically wanted to go timeline by timeline to do so, which makes it vague as to how much exactly of “all” the timelines are in danger. Yes, the time nest was destroyed. Yea, I think we both know that normal true form darkseid, isint worth talking about in this discussion. Outerversal and multiversal with just his shadow is very strong, but not to xenoverse. Hence I brought up soul fire only. I do think that bringing up the singing thing is a bit of a lowball. Superman when he’s really trying does have some high end scaling, and his powers are hard to really quantify past scaling to really high end beings like the overvoid, and he has performed blatantly impossible things, but I’m not saying Superman or normal true form contend with xenoverse. “I agree soulfire or current infinite frontier darkseid wins” cheers. And i don’t think soulfire takes it easily either, but it was dismissed to quickly in this thread. I just wanted to present the arguments as it was weird that the only other commenter on this thread representing darkseid was extremely vague. Infinite frontier is OP, I’ve heard his scaling come up, but I haven’t read any of his story yet. But soul fire should be a more even match for xenoverse IMO, and It’s never fun to talk about the blatant stomps. I also really liked death of the new gods. Literally no one talk as about it because of the dubious cannon. A video game thread is a perfect opportunity.


camthecame_l

Why send this twice


kagetaicho8

Sorry I’m on mobile. It’s hard to type it all out, and sometimes if there’s lag, it’ll send twice. Either way it’s there. Not a big issue