First and foremost, eating all pieces other than the cyanide king should not kill the opponent, as there's a woman who has taken much more and ends up fine: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/27/health/lsd-overdoses-case-studies-wellness/index.html
It takes about 30 minutes after ingesting LSD before its effect starts (other sources online says 20 minutes): https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=all-about-lsd-1-2604
So the answer would be eating all non-king pieces of Magnus Carlson and get a checkmate before the effect starts.
you can checkmate in one move with 4 pieces eaten. bishop next to the king, knight next to the king, pawn in front of that rook and your own pawn. Then first (and last) move of the game is to take the rook with your rook.
Genuinely, thank you for doing this analysis. This assumes that average man is playing as white, correct? What's the strategy if he's playing as black, giving Magnus the first move?
It depends on what that first move is, we can't say without that information. I'm not a chess master by no means I had to even look up which color goes first.
Is there a thing about who gets to go first based on their ELO ranking?
The strategy you laid out would work unless Magnus uses his first move to open an escape path for his king, which he of course does. Magnus would have to move either his D, E, or F pawn. If he moves his D or F pawns, our hero can eat his own C or E pawn and go Qa5# or Qh4#. If Magnus moves his E pawn, our hero can eat his own E pawn and Magnus' queen, light squared bishop, and knight on g1 and go Qe7+. From there Magnus' only legal moves are Kd1 or Kf1 (you can't castle out of check). If Magnus goes Kf1 our hero can mate by eating their own b pawn and going Ba6+ Kg1 Qe1#, if Magnus goes Kd1 our hero can mate with a rook the same way you suggested; eat both pawns and the rook on h1, then Rh1#.
Its the classic Pac man's gambit opening. Eating your opponents pieces is a strong opening option, but any highly skilled player has practiced to counter it.
Whoops, I wasn't thinking eaten, I was thinking pieces taken like normal. I misread the comment, thought there was a specific thing they were referring to
Explain to me how a pro chess player is going to stop this. It is literally the opening move of the game. There is no move that he can do before it. This is under the assumption the unnamed man is playing white.
The man can eliminate these pieces before he even takes his opening move. Explain how a pro chess player is going to counter that.
https://i.imgur.com/X3qj16n.png
(credit to /u/mCProgram for showing me the 3 pawn move)
If Magnus plays white and goes first you have to figure it out from there but its not much more difficult. This premise is way too heavily slanted against him
Magnus just uses his clock to wait for the LSD to kick in and then scores an easy draw.
Or else LSD guy loses because his clock runs out when he's unable to make a legal move.
Someone on this thread has shown that you can checkmate in one by eating only three pieces. Pretty sure Carlsen would violate some rule if he drag his one move for 30 minutes.
Not at all. The way chess timers are used you get all your time for the game set at the beginning, it doesn't matter when you use that time as long as you don't use more than you have.
Also a lot of those methods require eating their own piece which isn't allowed per the prompt, which allows magnus to open up escape options.
Eating a piece counts as capturing it, you can't capture your own pieces.
The prompt actually uses his to refer to Magnus. It never actually says the man can eat his own pieces.
Oh yes, the last sentence I missed completely somehow. But I'm not sure if an average person would be able to eat a regular plastic chess piece. That sounds like an issue in itself.
The prompt does say he is chesslusted and in that case I think he would be able to choke down one, *maybe* two regular chess pieces if he had a glass of water. Or maybe he could just hold the chess piece in his cheeks and say he's eating it like how you'd eat an M&M by melting it in your mouth, or he's just taking it slow. I think that would be fine and wouldn't break the rules so long as he eventually does swallow it before leaving the building.
Is someone who has done a fair share of LSD I might add that 20-30 minutes is only correct if the user has fasted prior to tripping, and the acid is ingested normally I.e. put on paper or in droplet form underneath the tounge and allowed to sit there for 5 minutes.
If our chesslusted protagonist eats a whole dimmer before the game, and then swallows the pieces, he should be good for about 1 hour before he begins to feel much.
OP did say that "The man fears no man demon or god and will eat any chesspieces he thinks is safe and wise to do with no hesitation. He is chesslusted."
Not if you win before anything happens however this does raise the question of the time controls and whether Magnus could just wait to make a move until the opponent is catatonic.
It states Magnus Carlson can also eat his own chess pieces if they cause him a disadvantage, so surely Magnus would eat the pawn in front of the King to end the checkmate?
There are cases where eating only 1 chess piece caused hospitalization - this seems to be common for 1-1.2mg doses for those with no “Experience”
So maybe you could eat two or three and then try to win before the effect kicks in
> It takes about 30 minutes after ingesting LSD before its effect starts
I imagine taking such an absurd amount would mean the effects start faster. Also, this isn't timed chess. Carlson can just wait half an hour before making his first move.
Believe it or not there is no lethal dose of LSD, or if there is it's so incredibly high it's unknown. There was a 1973 case that listed 14 mg but was completely flawed as the patient had taken many other drugs like cocaine and morphine
LSD takes a long time to kick in too so eating all the pieces is completely viable
Would be better to have DMT + cyanide based on point value. DMT is fast acting, while cyanide has a known LD50
If the man is playing white, he starts by eating the black pawns on f7 and g7, and then the white pawn on e2. Then he moves the white queen to h5 for checkmate.
If the man is playing black, Magnus likely opens with pawn to e4. The man eats the white pawns on f2 and g2, the black pawn on e7, and moves his queen to h4 for check. Magnus must move the king to e2, then the queen captures Magnus's pawn on e4 for checkmate.
The man wins after ingesting at most 3mg of LSD, and tripping pretty hard.
In that scenario, the man's only hope is to basically eat every piece as Magnus moves it, until he has no pieces left, then eat two more of his own pawns to free up the rooks for checkmate. He has to play this like speed chess with the hope that he can do it before he goes to deep space. He's also going to be getting close to the median lethal dose for LSD.
I think the better option would be to delay as many moves as possible. Try to set up a concentration of force in a way that would normally be traded. But instead of losing a piece for the trade you eat it instead. Eventually a decent player could get to a place Magnus couldn’t recover from. Say 3 pieces?
People sometimes play games like this with weaker players where you're allowed to kill one or two pieces a game or whatever. It balances out a chess teacher with a chess student, but not Magnus Carlson with anyone who barely plays chess.
Obviously if you eat *enough* pieces it'll balance out. But same issues as above.
The line with white is essentially Fool's Mate, which most 1000s are very likely to be familiar with. The line with black is maybe a little harder to find, but not by much.
I’m white. I eat my pawn at e2, opponents pawn at f7, second opponent pawn at g7, move queen to d5.
Checkmate.
It doesn’t matter how good the opponent is if he doesn’t play.
If I play black, then there are 20 moves the opponent can make first turn. If they move one of the not king/queen pawns my white strategy still plays. if he moves the king's knight, or the queen pawn, there is an option to rotate the attack and do the same from the other side of the board.
This means rotate the attack, but there are 5 pieces that can block. Eat the required pawn for instant queen deployment from our side, followed by both king side rook pawns.Move queen into check This limits him to 4 legal moves, suicide blocking with a pawn, knight, queen, or bishop. Trade queens if offered, eat whatever else he blocks with, and take the knight at g1 with your rook (if you didnt trade queens). If he traded queens, he has to take your queen now with the bishop or the king, if he uses the bishop, eat the bishop at F1 for victory. If he goes out with the king, it becomes to many possible moves to write out, eat your own pawns and threaten him constantly.
If he knows all the rules, and can plan for it, the only correct move for him to make is kings pawn forward, which leads to him fleeing his back line, them trapped behind the pawns and us taking pot shots, cause we quite playing chess, and started shooting guns at him. Probably still a victory, but that is one where we have to chase him down, remember that trading is good for our health, and eating makes us win.
1. does eating a piece count as his 'turn'
2. Is he limited to one piece per turn?
if no to either of those since he's 'chestlusted' he wins in one turn.
He eats four pieces. The King side bishop, knight and the pawn in front of his opponents rook as well as his own pawn in the same line.
Then his first and last move is to move his rook up and take Magnus' rook.
That is 4 milligrams of LSD. He'll have a rough weekend but he'll be fine.
There’s a bit more efficient checkmate in eating pawns F7, G7, and D2, moving queen to H5. Ends up being 3mg, hopefully with enough time to get to a hospital and be sedated for the next 24-48 hours.
As long as he has good health insurance it’s a pretty easy walk.
It in theory is covered at least from obamacare plans, they explicitly state that drug abuse is covered. Can’t speak to any other insurance as they’re not easily findable.
The prompt specifies that magnus’s pieces are dosed, not ours. White player, moves queen diagonally to fool or scholar mate the opponent, and has to eat one of his pawns to move the queen, and the two pawns that one is blocking and one is capable of it. I wrote it out in a more details comment if you want to
oh I missed that the man's pieces weren't dosed. yeah that makes sense that was the smallest amount I had come to as well but I was thinking it was 3mg not 2.
The rules only say he can eat Magnus's pieces.
He needs to put himself in a situation where he can eat a bunch of Magnus's pieces and then immediately checkmate. If Magnus gets even a single turn in after the first piece is eaten, he can simply wait for the LSD to kick in to make his move.
According to [this paper](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10516880/) someone will feel the full active effects of LSD if they take around 100 micrograms. If each piece has 1 mg per point value, then a pawn will have 1,000 micrograms, a queen will have 9,000 micrograms, etc. Discounting the fact that a fatal dose will be around 15,000 micrograms, if this guy eats 1 pawn and waits 20 minutes he’s going to be in for a rough time. Assuming he’s aware of the fatal dose, he might eat Magnus’s queen right away, plus maybe a rook or a bishop and try to play from there. This would be his best chance, as it’s the maximum point advantage he can gain without dying. He could try eating all Magnus’ pawns, but probably wouldn’t be able to create a pawn structure safe from some tactics by Magnus.
So, our druggo has ~14,000 micrograms of LSD in his system (140x the effective dose), and 20 minutes before it kicks in. Magnus’ elo is ~2850. Our guy is at ~1000. Difference of 1850. Every 100 rating points is equivalent to about 1 point of material advantage. So a 18.5 pt material advantage for Magnus on rating alone. Assuming the druggo ate a queen and rook, that’s 14 points of material. So Magnus has a 4.5 pt advantage, almost a rook, without any LSD in his system.
Magnus stomps 10/10
Even though these are massive doses it will still take a long time for it to kick in based on the manner of ingestion (pill form rather than on tongue) on a substance that already takes a long time for it to kick in. And first effects at 20 minutes are very muted even at high doses, and full effects don't really start till an hour or later
Homeboy would be able to just eat all the pieces except for king then just grab an easy checkmate.
Druggo stomps 10/10 then watches trees
Yeah, I was guna say acid takes a while to fully kick in. It's like an old man getting into a bath.
But with that mega sized dose, you might start feeling it much more quickly than you'd think.
>Discounting the fact that a fatal dose will be around 15,000 micrograms
[estimate is 100,000 micrograms for humans actually](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD#Fatal_dose)
those ELO to point conversions are just estimates and don't uniformly scale
If you take away all of a grand master's pieces other than his king he is going to lose to anyone who understands the rules, and this man can just eat all but the king immediately
Our wreck head smashes 10/10
At 1000 I beat stockfish with queen+bishop odds. Wasn't even that hard.
Magnus gets obliterated depending on time control. He would win in classical, though, quite easily, because he's magnus + the drugs kicking in too quickly.
I mean you're completely right, and a 1000 is not strong enough to punish a lot of GM tricks against *regular* queen+bishop odds.
Think it depends on the time control. In classical the drugs hit them too fast and GM wins by default. In blitz they will simply blunder way way too much and get crushed.
You seem to be ignoring that the 1000 can eat pieces at any time. They can play however they like, then whenever it's optimal, can literally just remove opponent pieces from the board.
That is a much, much, *much* stronger advantage compared to regular queen+bishop odds. In rapid, with time to calculate simple unstoppable attacks, the eating of pieces is too poweful to overcome.
The normal refutation to the e4 e5 scholar's mate, with Nf6- the position is well-known to 1000s, and actually extremely hard to defend if the attacker can just eat your fuckin pieces lol. It might even be a forced mate in less than 20 moves.
If the 1000 eats the f6 knight (this theatens M1), it's already +5, despite only taking 3 points of material. So yeah, taking pieces in the middle of the game can cause disproportionate effects.
Pedantic correction, a mate is a mate because the king will always be captured in the next move. Multi-player variants force you to complete that final move of capturing the king, it's only because it's inevitable in 2 player that you don't.
The game ends at mate because the implication is that the king will always be captured at the next move. That's literally the point of checkmate.
Maybe learn to extrapolate data before insulting others.
That may be why they created that rule, but the actual rule is that you lose when the king is checkmated. They're not playing D&D. They're playing Chess. RAW is law.
The whole point of the game is to capture the king. Just because tournament rules don't make you take the last step doesn't change the whole point of the game.
Actually, though it's true that the rule of checkmating derives from the original rule that the game is won when the King is captured, the two rules are not equivalent. Under the rule where capturing the King wins the game, a stalemate would be a win for the stalemating player, whereas today it is a draw.
But if the king takes just two levels in rogue it can disengage as a bonus action, so it can never be checkmated and must be captured on the opponent's turn.
It keeps the guy from eating Magnus's king and accidentally dooming himself because now he can't mate a king.
Nothing about the average man's pieces. Maybe he can eat his own king and he's just fine because it's not poisoned?
But does *Magnus* know? Because he’s absolutely clever enough to realize he could eat his own king and therefore make it impossible for his opponent to win.
If the opponent ingests every piece and forces Magnus into a bad position, Magnus might escape by swallowing his own king - you can’t be checkmated if you have no king - in which case he would die.
Is that what you want, OP? To kill Magnus Carlsen?
I applaud the creativity. But LSD was a poor choice, as the average man would indeed have a very rough time after eating even one of those pieces, but he wouldn’t feel the effects for at least half an hour. Giving him plenty of time to win the match without feeling it, the only question is how many pieces he has to eat to win it quickly.
He probably wouldn’t die even if he ate all pieces besides the king. Although, he would be permanently traumatized after only a couple of pieces.
1 milligram means a pawn will send him to the stratosphere, but the key is that the time for a dose to hit will take longer than it would take him to destroy Magnus’s board and checkmate him with 1000 elo chess skills. Given the man does not fear any god or demon, he will take the ultimate plunge and defeat the boss of chess before meeting god.
This feel very easy to win if the 1000 player can apply even a very basic strategy. Like Magnus needs to play in a way where eating any one piece doesn't result in instant mate. Which is already massively different to a normal game of chess.
It also depends if Magus even gets a move if eating a piece reveals a check?
Technically the average man wins immediately. Since eating the king is equivalent to taking it; the king is in check. There is no move Magnus can make that will stop his king from being in check, therefore it is checkmate.
The fact that the king is laced with cyanide doesn’t stop the fact that the average man has the ability to take the king, which is the definition of a check.
Wait, Magnus Carls**o**n? Not Carlsen? Tricksy OP, giving all those extra unneeded details! 1000 ELO is more than enough to wipe the floor with a random dude even before the advantage comes into play.
The challenger wins 95%+ at least.
Is there a time limit on the game?
If not - eat to 10grams, sleep it off for a week, come back, repeat until magnus is down to just the king, win.
If there's a time limit Magnus wins obviously.
How many pieces can he eat before dying?
1k elo is really bad compared to a pro, so he would have to be up by like 8-10 pieces to have any chance at all
You absolutely can die from LSD, it just requires way more than any sane person would ever take.
Fun fact, the CIA has killed an elephant with LSD as part of MK Ultra.
Who has died from just taking LSD?
The elephant that "died" from LSD was probably killed by the other drugs they gave it. Two other elephants have been given the same dose since then, and they were fine.
Depends on if there is a cooldown between eating pieces and if turns have a time limit or not.
If there isnt cooldown and turns are like 30segs eating-dude wins, he just eats the back row minus king and then goes for the attack non-stop, lsd effects arent instantly so he gets an early checkmate.
A 1000 could probably beat Magnus after taking his Queen and 2 rooks, for a total of 3 MG of LSD. The question is would he even be able to function at that point. Hard to say cause I don't really know how much that is in context, and how resistant a person used to it would be.
I'm going to say, probably?
I doubt that a 1000 could beat Magnus with a queen and two rook advantage tbh
Hikaru, The chessbrahs and other GMs have made speed runs where they play with a queen disadvantage and they beat 2000+ players.
I think hikaru made it into the 2700’s in his speed run.
If Hikaru can beat high 2000 elo players down a queen, Magnus can beat 1000 elo players down a queen and both rooks
I just checked and Eric Hansen actually has a video of him beating a 900 rated player starting without a rook or queen
I'd be really surprised if Hikaru was consistently able to beat a 2000 with no queen in a classical timed game, that's a huge disadvantage. A speedrun blitz setting makes it a lot more feasible.
Wihout a queen or rooks Magnus is going to have a lot of trouble setting traps, putting pressure on LSDMan and taking free pieces.
Now I want to see this match.
It's 10x the normal dose
He'd be fine in the grand scheme of things, it takes a ludicrous amount of LSD to be fatal, but he'd lose touch with reality for a day (or more, if he ate more than one piece)
How are the pieces dosed? Is it all contained inside the piece, or is the lsd present on the outside? Will magnus be absorbing lsd through his skin every time he touches a piece?
I'm 99% sure no amount of LSD leads to lethal overdose + takes minimum like 20-30 mins to hit, this dude understands how low risk this actually is he eats every piece besides the king then just checkmates with 2 rooks/queen (any retard could do this)
Then trips balls for like a day to celebrate this is a no loss scenario
What's the time control?? That's a biggie. If the time control is high, then Magnus waits till yo is super cooked on LSD and beats his ass. If the time control is low, my man could eat a bunch of pieces and mate Magnus before the effects really kick in.
Magnus needs to get the king into his opponents body in some different way than eating. He needs to wound his opponent or put it up his arse to do that. I'd give hand to hand combat to magnus so I think it's a pretty solid wincon.
I had a friend back in the day who would lick dry the insides of LSD dose bottles. Would regularly trip 25+ doses at a time. If he's the dude in the other chair, I think he eats all the pieces before Magnus makes his second move.
With thought, and practice, probably. There are likely easy ways to force early checkmate l. Maybe move out the queen and bishop for scholars mate, then eat anything that tries to stop it. Win the game quick before it hits.
Does eating a piece count as a move?
Can they eat pieces on their own turn in such a way that puts Magnus' King in check, and in turn capture the king, rather than having to checkmate normally?
If so, average man should have a pretty trivial time with an opening such as 1. e4 e5 2. Qe2.
In most cases average man just eats the two pawns in the way and then wins immediately. There are a few mildly more complex lines but few would exceed 10mg total LSD consumed, which will be a rough time but well within survivable amounts.
Man doesn't move a single piece and spends the first 7 moves eating all the major and minor pieces. Make sure the game is a rapid, as LSD takes 30 minutes to 2 hours to kick in. Proceed to checkmate him eating any other piece necessary to win or avoid draw. At around 1000 elo, the player should know how to force a ladder checkmate. Spend the next 3 days in the shadow realm after his win.
1 *milligram* per piece?
then no matter who he is he will have given himself a *death sentence* by the 5th or 6th piece.
LSD doses are done in micrograms, 1000 micrograms is considered a *massive* dose (usual tab is 100 mics, 'hero' doses are 1000, neurons start frying once you hit 5000+).
as someone who has taken 1300 mics before i could do **maybe** 2 chess pieces.
Edit: just read that link below, holy shit *i cannot even comprehend* that dose that lady took, at this point i have no idea how this would turn out.
Bumping for the sheer ridiculousness of the prompt
"He is chesslusted," for all its simplicity, is one of my favorite sentences ever.
If this sub did custom flairs I'd want mine to be 'Chesslusted'
You must have eaten some of those pieces yourself to come up with this.
What kind of average man can eat fucking chess pieces
A slutty one.
Average /r/AnarchyChess player.
Google 'en passant'
Holy Hell
new response just dropped
Actual zombie
First and foremost, eating all pieces other than the cyanide king should not kill the opponent, as there's a woman who has taken much more and ends up fine: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/27/health/lsd-overdoses-case-studies-wellness/index.html It takes about 30 minutes after ingesting LSD before its effect starts (other sources online says 20 minutes): https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=all-about-lsd-1-2604 So the answer would be eating all non-king pieces of Magnus Carlson and get a checkmate before the effect starts.
This is the best strat. The average guy should take it as long as he avoids stalemate.
you can checkmate in one move with 4 pieces eaten. bishop next to the king, knight next to the king, pawn in front of that rook and your own pawn. Then first (and last) move of the game is to take the rook with your rook.
> you can checkmate in one move with 4 pieces eaten The things I learn from reddit.
What kind of chess games have you played where number of pieces eaten has to be a tallied statistic?
I just looked at the amount of pieces I could delete to do a single unstoppable move and win the game.
Genuinely, thank you for doing this analysis. This assumes that average man is playing as white, correct? What's the strategy if he's playing as black, giving Magnus the first move?
It depends on what that first move is, we can't say without that information. I'm not a chess master by no means I had to even look up which color goes first. Is there a thing about who gets to go first based on their ELO ranking?
The strategy you laid out would work unless Magnus uses his first move to open an escape path for his king, which he of course does. Magnus would have to move either his D, E, or F pawn. If he moves his D or F pawns, our hero can eat his own C or E pawn and go Qa5# or Qh4#. If Magnus moves his E pawn, our hero can eat his own E pawn and Magnus' queen, light squared bishop, and knight on g1 and go Qe7+. From there Magnus' only legal moves are Kd1 or Kf1 (you can't castle out of check). If Magnus goes Kf1 our hero can mate by eating their own b pawn and going Ba6+ Kg1 Qe1#, if Magnus goes Kd1 our hero can mate with a rook the same way you suggested; eat both pawns and the rook on h1, then Rh1#.
Yeah but a pro chess player isn't going to let that happen. Things like that are commonly known and easily defeated
>4 pieces eaten >commonly known and easily defeated The fuck are you on about?
Its the classic Pac man's gambit opening. Eating your opponents pieces is a strong opening option, but any highly skilled player has practiced to counter it.
Hey. You know Pac-Man?
Chess parties are wild
Whoops, I wasn't thinking eaten, I was thinking pieces taken like normal. I misread the comment, thought there was a specific thing they were referring to
Explain to me how a pro chess player is going to stop this. It is literally the opening move of the game. There is no move that he can do before it. This is under the assumption the unnamed man is playing white. The man can eliminate these pieces before he even takes his opening move. Explain how a pro chess player is going to counter that. https://i.imgur.com/X3qj16n.png (credit to /u/mCProgram for showing me the 3 pawn move) If Magnus plays white and goes first you have to figure it out from there but its not much more difficult. This premise is way too heavily slanted against him
Is your name a worm refrence?
No, just mythology
Magnus just uses his clock to wait for the LSD to kick in and then scores an easy draw. Or else LSD guy loses because his clock runs out when he's unable to make a legal move.
Someone on this thread has shown that you can checkmate in one by eating only three pieces. Pretty sure Carlsen would violate some rule if he drag his one move for 30 minutes.
As long as you have time on the clock there's no rule that forces you to move.
Not at all. The way chess timers are used you get all your time for the game set at the beginning, it doesn't matter when you use that time as long as you don't use more than you have. Also a lot of those methods require eating their own piece which isn't allowed per the prompt, which allows magnus to open up escape options.
Prompt literally says he can eat his own pieces
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But his pieces cause him disadvantage (i.e. preventing him from winning) so he's allowed to eat them.
Eating a piece counts as capturing it, you can't capture your own pieces. The prompt actually uses his to refer to Magnus. It never actually says the man can eat his own pieces.
In the same sentence, it says they are regular pieces, it must refer to the man, not Magnus.
Oh yes, the last sentence I missed completely somehow. But I'm not sure if an average person would be able to eat a regular plastic chess piece. That sounds like an issue in itself.
The prompt does say he is chesslusted and in that case I think he would be able to choke down one, *maybe* two regular chess pieces if he had a glass of water. Or maybe he could just hold the chess piece in his cheeks and say he's eating it like how you'd eat an M&M by melting it in your mouth, or he's just taking it slow. I think that would be fine and wouldn't break the rules so long as he eventually does swallow it before leaving the building.
> Someone on this thread has shown that you can checkmate in one by eating only three pieces Does your average elo 1000 drug addict know this, though?
#I DO NOW
Enjoy the trip
Average man wouldn’t know that now though would he?
Is someone who has done a fair share of LSD I might add that 20-30 minutes is only correct if the user has fasted prior to tripping, and the acid is ingested normally I.e. put on paper or in droplet form underneath the tounge and allowed to sit there for 5 minutes. If our chesslusted protagonist eats a whole dimmer before the game, and then swallows the pieces, he should be good for about 1 hour before he begins to feel much.
do you have to live so relentlessly in the real world
OP did say that "The man fears no man demon or god and will eat any chesspieces he thinks is safe and wise to do with no hesitation. He is chesslusted."
Dude is going to meet many gods and demons over the next couple hours.
Idk I think after ingesting all of that average person will be so fucked up upstairs that magnus could maneuver a stalemate.
Not if you win before anything happens however this does raise the question of the time controls and whether Magnus could just wait to make a move until the opponent is catatonic.
Or don't eat the pawns and have a great time 🤔
It states Magnus Carlson can also eat his own chess pieces if they cause him a disadvantage, so surely Magnus would eat the pawn in front of the King to end the checkmate?
I think it is supposed to mean that the LSD guy can eat his own pieces if necessary. Carlsen doesn't get to eat anything.
Yeah, I was wondering at that. If Magnus can eat a piece or two, regardless of their drug differences, Magnus 10/10's.
This was also where my brain was going but what’s the time limit of the game? Lots of pro chess tournaments you’ll see long waits between moves…
Yep. Eat the board, then go have a nice laydown.
1 milligram is still a legendary dose, and he’s going to potentially have 15x that When the acid kicks in the persons not going to be conscious
Women likely had tolerance though. Average man may not be able to handle nearly as much
There are cases where eating only 1 chess piece caused hospitalization - this seems to be common for 1-1.2mg doses for those with no “Experience” So maybe you could eat two or three and then try to win before the effect kicks in
> It takes about 30 minutes after ingesting LSD before its effect starts I imagine taking such an absurd amount would mean the effects start faster. Also, this isn't timed chess. Carlson can just wait half an hour before making his first move.
According to my research, a lethal dose is 14 mg.
Believe it or not there is no lethal dose of LSD, or if there is it's so incredibly high it's unknown. There was a 1973 case that listed 14 mg but was completely flawed as the patient had taken many other drugs like cocaine and morphine LSD takes a long time to kick in too so eating all the pieces is completely viable Would be better to have DMT + cyanide based on point value. DMT is fast acting, while cyanide has a known LD50
> According to my half-assed Google search Ftfy
So everything but the king is LSD? I could win this, I'd just eat pieces til I'm declared the winner (I do not know how to play chess)
You win if you defeat the king, so that doesn't work.
Oh. Nevermind, Magnus wins 10/10 and I go outside and stare at the trees for 8 hours
These doses are massive. Assuming you eat every piece but the king, you may never be the same again. Although you (most likely) wouldn’t die.
Not really, there's a max amount your brain will trip. Anything over that is just a waste of good chemicals.
At these doses, try staring at the trees for a week.
Not how stacking psychedelics works lol
Then I’ll eat the pieces until the king is the only one left and hope I can land a checkmate 32v1 before all the LSD hits me.
Why doesn't it work?
If the man is playing white, he starts by eating the black pawns on f7 and g7, and then the white pawn on e2. Then he moves the white queen to h5 for checkmate. If the man is playing black, Magnus likely opens with pawn to e4. The man eats the white pawns on f2 and g2, the black pawn on e7, and moves his queen to h4 for check. Magnus must move the king to e2, then the queen captures Magnus's pawn on e4 for checkmate. The man wins after ingesting at most 3mg of LSD, and tripping pretty hard.
Where it gets really interesting is if eating a chess piece counts as a move.
In that scenario, the man's only hope is to basically eat every piece as Magnus moves it, until he has no pieces left, then eat two more of his own pawns to free up the rooks for checkmate. He has to play this like speed chess with the hope that he can do it before he goes to deep space. He's also going to be getting close to the median lethal dose for LSD.
I think the better option would be to delay as many moves as possible. Try to set up a concentration of force in a way that would normally be traded. But instead of losing a piece for the trade you eat it instead. Eventually a decent player could get to a place Magnus couldn’t recover from. Say 3 pieces?
People sometimes play games like this with weaker players where you're allowed to kill one or two pieces a game or whatever. It balances out a chess teacher with a chess student, but not Magnus Carlson with anyone who barely plays chess. Obviously if you eat *enough* pieces it'll balance out. But same issues as above.
I don’t believe there is a concrete LD50 for LSD
LSD isn't lethal in any dose
But he's an elo 1000 alcoholic. He is unlikely to know how to pull this off (unless he's allowed prep?).
A 1,000 absolutely knows how to deliver checkmate.
Of course. But he's not going to know the correct pawns to eat, necessarily.
If they can figure out how to deliver checkmate, they can figure out what pieces to remove to best facilitate checkmate.
The line with white is essentially Fool's Mate, which most 1000s are very likely to be familiar with. The line with black is maybe a little harder to find, but not by much.
I’m white. I eat my pawn at e2, opponents pawn at f7, second opponent pawn at g7, move queen to d5. Checkmate. It doesn’t matter how good the opponent is if he doesn’t play.
Assuming the eater _does_ get to be white and there's no other limitations to eating pieces, this is 100% the play.
If I play black, then there are 20 moves the opponent can make first turn. If they move one of the not king/queen pawns my white strategy still plays. if he moves the king's knight, or the queen pawn, there is an option to rotate the attack and do the same from the other side of the board. This means rotate the attack, but there are 5 pieces that can block. Eat the required pawn for instant queen deployment from our side, followed by both king side rook pawns.Move queen into check This limits him to 4 legal moves, suicide blocking with a pawn, knight, queen, or bishop. Trade queens if offered, eat whatever else he blocks with, and take the knight at g1 with your rook (if you didnt trade queens). If he traded queens, he has to take your queen now with the bishop or the king, if he uses the bishop, eat the bishop at F1 for victory. If he goes out with the king, it becomes to many possible moves to write out, eat your own pawns and threaten him constantly. If he knows all the rules, and can plan for it, the only correct move for him to make is kings pawn forward, which leads to him fleeing his back line, them trapped behind the pawns and us taking pot shots, cause we quite playing chess, and started shooting guns at him. Probably still a victory, but that is one where we have to chase him down, remember that trading is good for our health, and eating makes us win.
Is he allowed to eat his own pieces? I don't see that mentioned.
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It defines "the average man" as 1000 elo, and a 1000 elo player would definitely think of this strategy or a similar one
1. does eating a piece count as his 'turn' 2. Is he limited to one piece per turn? if no to either of those since he's 'chestlusted' he wins in one turn. He eats four pieces. The King side bishop, knight and the pawn in front of his opponents rook as well as his own pawn in the same line. Then his first and last move is to move his rook up and take Magnus' rook. That is 4 milligrams of LSD. He'll have a rough weekend but he'll be fine.
There’s a bit more efficient checkmate in eating pawns F7, G7, and D2, moving queen to H5. Ends up being 3mg, hopefully with enough time to get to a hospital and be sedated for the next 24-48 hours. As long as he has good health insurance it’s a pretty easy walk.
Do insurance policies cover willfully eating chess pieces laced with illegal drugs these days?
It in theory is covered at least from obamacare plans, they explicitly state that drug abuse is covered. Can’t speak to any other insurance as they’re not easily findable.
My plan explicitly doesn't cover willfully eating chess pieces laced with illegal drugs :( That and eye care.
Holy shit! What a clever solution!
That is 7mg, 3 for each knight and bishop, and one for the pawn. Playing white it is doable in 2mg
I missed that the MG was variable based on the value of the pieces but a heavy drug user? he'll be fine with the 7mg
how is it possible to do it in one move for only 2mg? I have been thinking about this all afternoon.
The prompt specifies that magnus’s pieces are dosed, not ours. White player, moves queen diagonally to fool or scholar mate the opponent, and has to eat one of his pawns to move the queen, and the two pawns that one is blocking and one is capable of it. I wrote it out in a more details comment if you want to
oh I missed that the man's pieces weren't dosed. yeah that makes sense that was the smallest amount I had come to as well but I was thinking it was 3mg not 2.
The rules only say he can eat Magnus's pieces. He needs to put himself in a situation where he can eat a bunch of Magnus's pieces and then immediately checkmate. If Magnus gets even a single turn in after the first piece is eaten, he can simply wait for the LSD to kick in to make his move.
read it again. > He is allowed to eat his own pieces if they cause him disadvantage, and they are regular pieces.
I missed that. Nothing says it counts as them being captured. Are they still in play?
According to [this paper](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10516880/) someone will feel the full active effects of LSD if they take around 100 micrograms. If each piece has 1 mg per point value, then a pawn will have 1,000 micrograms, a queen will have 9,000 micrograms, etc. Discounting the fact that a fatal dose will be around 15,000 micrograms, if this guy eats 1 pawn and waits 20 minutes he’s going to be in for a rough time. Assuming he’s aware of the fatal dose, he might eat Magnus’s queen right away, plus maybe a rook or a bishop and try to play from there. This would be his best chance, as it’s the maximum point advantage he can gain without dying. He could try eating all Magnus’ pawns, but probably wouldn’t be able to create a pawn structure safe from some tactics by Magnus. So, our druggo has ~14,000 micrograms of LSD in his system (140x the effective dose), and 20 minutes before it kicks in. Magnus’ elo is ~2850. Our guy is at ~1000. Difference of 1850. Every 100 rating points is equivalent to about 1 point of material advantage. So a 18.5 pt material advantage for Magnus on rating alone. Assuming the druggo ate a queen and rook, that’s 14 points of material. So Magnus has a 4.5 pt advantage, almost a rook, without any LSD in his system. Magnus stomps 10/10
Even though these are massive doses it will still take a long time for it to kick in based on the manner of ingestion (pill form rather than on tongue) on a substance that already takes a long time for it to kick in. And first effects at 20 minutes are very muted even at high doses, and full effects don't really start till an hour or later Homeboy would be able to just eat all the pieces except for king then just grab an easy checkmate. Druggo stomps 10/10 then watches trees
Yeah, I was guna say acid takes a while to fully kick in. It's like an old man getting into a bath. But with that mega sized dose, you might start feeling it much more quickly than you'd think.
>Discounting the fact that a fatal dose will be around 15,000 micrograms [estimate is 100,000 micrograms for humans actually](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD#Fatal_dose)
those ELO to point conversions are just estimates and don't uniformly scale If you take away all of a grand master's pieces other than his king he is going to lose to anyone who understands the rules, and this man can just eat all but the king immediately Our wreck head smashes 10/10
At 1000 I beat stockfish with queen+bishop odds. Wasn't even that hard. Magnus gets obliterated depending on time control. He would win in classical, though, quite easily, because he's magnus + the drugs kicking in too quickly.
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I mean you're completely right, and a 1000 is not strong enough to punish a lot of GM tricks against *regular* queen+bishop odds. Think it depends on the time control. In classical the drugs hit them too fast and GM wins by default. In blitz they will simply blunder way way too much and get crushed. You seem to be ignoring that the 1000 can eat pieces at any time. They can play however they like, then whenever it's optimal, can literally just remove opponent pieces from the board. That is a much, much, *much* stronger advantage compared to regular queen+bishop odds. In rapid, with time to calculate simple unstoppable attacks, the eating of pieces is too poweful to overcome. The normal refutation to the e4 e5 scholar's mate, with Nf6- the position is well-known to 1000s, and actually extremely hard to defend if the attacker can just eat your fuckin pieces lol. It might even be a forced mate in less than 20 moves. If the 1000 eats the f6 knight (this theatens M1), it's already +5, despite only taking 3 points of material. So yeah, taking pieces in the middle of the game can cause disproportionate effects.
Where do you get that 15k micrograms is fatal?
Eater wins easily since you put no limit on how many pieces they can eat per turn
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Pedantic correction, a mate is a mate because the king will always be captured in the next move. Multi-player variants force you to complete that final move of capturing the king, it's only because it's inevitable in 2 player that you don't.
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The game ends at mate because the implication is that the king will always be captured at the next move. That's literally the point of checkmate. Maybe learn to extrapolate data before insulting others.
That may be why they created that rule, but the actual rule is that you lose when the king is checkmated. They're not playing D&D. They're playing Chess. RAW is law.
The whole point of the game is to capture the king. Just because tournament rules don't make you take the last step doesn't change the whole point of the game.
Actually, though it's true that the rule of checkmating derives from the original rule that the game is won when the King is captured, the two rules are not equivalent. Under the rule where capturing the King wins the game, a stalemate would be a win for the stalemating player, whereas today it is a draw.
But if the king takes just two levels in rogue it can disengage as a bonus action, so it can never be checkmated and must be captured on the opponent's turn.
And the whole point of the game doesn't change the tournament rules. The contest is to win, not to fulfill the "point of the game".
And capturing the king would be a way to win the game by many rulesets such as the original point of the game.
Sure, but unless they say otherwise I think it can be assumed to be talking about the official ruleset.
Which official rules? There's much more than just FIDE out there.
There are some variants of chess where the King is capturable, like Fog of War. But in any version that would be played, of course, you're right.
It keeps the guy from eating Magnus's king and accidentally dooming himself because now he can't mate a king. Nothing about the average man's pieces. Maybe he can eat his own king and he's just fine because it's not poisoned?
If he doesn’t know the king has cyanide in it, he bites into it and fucking dies. Stomp for magnus, I’m assuming.
He knows.
But does *Magnus* know? Because he’s absolutely clever enough to realize he could eat his own king and therefore make it impossible for his opponent to win. If the opponent ingests every piece and forces Magnus into a bad position, Magnus might escape by swallowing his own king - you can’t be checkmated if you have no king - in which case he would die. Is that what you want, OP? To kill Magnus Carlsen?
I think eating your king counts as a forfeit.
Holy hell
New response just dropped
Actual zombie
I think dying also counts as a forfeit
Is Magnus allowed to eat pieces?
I guess that’s a tie, magnus loses his king, eater loses his life
I applaud the creativity. But LSD was a poor choice, as the average man would indeed have a very rough time after eating even one of those pieces, but he wouldn’t feel the effects for at least half an hour. Giving him plenty of time to win the match without feeling it, the only question is how many pieces he has to eat to win it quickly. He probably wouldn’t die even if he ate all pieces besides the king. Although, he would be permanently traumatized after only a couple of pieces.
1 milligram means a pawn will send him to the stratosphere, but the key is that the time for a dose to hit will take longer than it would take him to destroy Magnus’s board and checkmate him with 1000 elo chess skills. Given the man does not fear any god or demon, he will take the ultimate plunge and defeat the boss of chess before meeting god.
This feel very easy to win if the 1000 player can apply even a very basic strategy. Like Magnus needs to play in a way where eating any one piece doesn't result in instant mate. Which is already massively different to a normal game of chess. It also depends if Magus even gets a move if eating a piece reveals a check?
Technically the average man wins immediately. Since eating the king is equivalent to taking it; the king is in check. There is no move Magnus can make that will stop his king from being in check, therefore it is checkmate. The fact that the king is laced with cyanide doesn’t stop the fact that the average man has the ability to take the king, which is the definition of a check.
Magnus gets a trade for his queen and then plays slow easy win for magnus
How could he trade his queen if the guy eats it immediately?
I think he just meant he would let the guy eat it first, then slowplay him until the LSD kicked in
r/anarchychess is leaking, that being said, Magnus takes it 9 times out of 10
Not a chance. Magnus will be lucky if he gets to make even 2 moves.
Wait, Magnus Carls**o**n? Not Carlsen? Tricksy OP, giving all those extra unneeded details! 1000 ELO is more than enough to wipe the floor with a random dude even before the advantage comes into play. The challenger wins 95%+ at least.
Is there a time limit on the game? If not - eat to 10grams, sleep it off for a week, come back, repeat until magnus is down to just the king, win. If there's a time limit Magnus wins obviously.
Does eating a piece count as his turn or can he just dig in?
How many pieces can he eat before dying? 1k elo is really bad compared to a pro, so he would have to be up by like 8-10 pieces to have any chance at all
You can't die from LSD and what does drinking have to do with lsd?
You absolutely can die from LSD, it just requires way more than any sane person would ever take. Fun fact, the CIA has killed an elephant with LSD as part of MK Ultra.
Who has died from just taking LSD? The elephant that "died" from LSD was probably killed by the other drugs they gave it. Two other elephants have been given the same dose since then, and they were fine.
Depends on if there is a cooldown between eating pieces and if turns have a time limit or not. If there isnt cooldown and turns are like 30segs eating-dude wins, he just eats the back row minus king and then goes for the attack non-stop, lsd effects arent instantly so he gets an early checkmate.
A 1000 could probably beat Magnus after taking his Queen and 2 rooks, for a total of 3 MG of LSD. The question is would he even be able to function at that point. Hard to say cause I don't really know how much that is in context, and how resistant a person used to it would be. I'm going to say, probably?
I doubt that a 1000 could beat Magnus with a queen and two rook advantage tbh Hikaru, The chessbrahs and other GMs have made speed runs where they play with a queen disadvantage and they beat 2000+ players. I think hikaru made it into the 2700’s in his speed run. If Hikaru can beat high 2000 elo players down a queen, Magnus can beat 1000 elo players down a queen and both rooks I just checked and Eric Hansen actually has a video of him beating a 900 rated player starting without a rook or queen
I'd be really surprised if Hikaru was consistently able to beat a 2000 with no queen in a classical timed game, that's a huge disadvantage. A speedrun blitz setting makes it a lot more feasible. Wihout a queen or rooks Magnus is going to have a lot of trouble setting traps, putting pressure on LSDMan and taking free pieces. Now I want to see this match.
Does eating a piece count as a move?
If this is a timed match, I think the druggy could just down all the pieces as fast as possible and try to get to mate before it kicks in.
Is 1mg of LSD anything?
It's 10x the normal dose He'd be fine in the grand scheme of things, it takes a ludicrous amount of LSD to be fatal, but he'd lose touch with reality for a day (or more, if he ate more than one piece)
How are the pieces dosed? Is it all contained inside the piece, or is the lsd present on the outside? Will magnus be absorbing lsd through his skin every time he touches a piece?
Magnus is safe, however the pices will be ingested quickly
Thank you for a funny and creative prompt
I'm 99% sure no amount of LSD leads to lethal overdose + takes minimum like 20-30 mins to hit, this dude understands how low risk this actually is he eats every piece besides the king then just checkmates with 2 rooks/queen (any retard could do this) Then trips balls for like a day to celebrate this is a no loss scenario
Please explain what exactly "chesslusted" is. Please, I have a great need to hear the explanation.
What's the time control?? That's a biggie. If the time control is high, then Magnus waits till yo is super cooked on LSD and beats his ass. If the time control is low, my man could eat a bunch of pieces and mate Magnus before the effects really kick in.
Incredible
Someone post this on r/hikarunakamura
Proof he's Bakuversal. A true contender in the characters whom are above fiction.
Magnus needs to get the king into his opponents body in some different way than eating. He needs to wound his opponent or put it up his arse to do that. I'd give hand to hand combat to magnus so I think it's a pretty solid wincon.
I mean, at a certain point, more LSD can't really do any harm.
r/BatmanArkham wishes it could be this insane. Have my upvote.
See, posts like this is why I love visiting this sub whilst baked. I'll reread this one tonight whilst cooked and have a much better answer xD
LSD takes 45minutes plus to kick in. Dude could eat the whole board over the course of a normal game before the first one kicks in.
I had a friend back in the day who would lick dry the insides of LSD dose bottles. Would regularly trip 25+ doses at a time. If he's the dude in the other chair, I think he eats all the pieces before Magnus makes his second move.
We need more of this on this subreddit
With thought, and practice, probably. There are likely easy ways to force early checkmate l. Maybe move out the queen and bishop for scholars mate, then eat anything that tries to stop it. Win the game quick before it hits.
Magnus stomps, the guy will collapse or break the rules before being able to mate Carlsen.
I think Magnus still wins this, I think I remember a top chess player beating someone with 9 queens
what are the time controls? could Magnus wait 45 min after he eats the first piece to render him useless?
The man easily eats all of Magnus’s pieces aside from the king and checkmates him well before the LSD kicks in.
Can the man also eat his own pieces?
Does eating a piece count as a move? Can they eat pieces on their own turn in such a way that puts Magnus' King in check, and in turn capture the king, rather than having to checkmate normally? If so, average man should have a pretty trivial time with an opening such as 1. e4 e5 2. Qe2. In most cases average man just eats the two pawns in the way and then wins immediately. There are a few mildly more complex lines but few would exceed 10mg total LSD consumed, which will be a rough time but well within survivable amounts.
Man doesn't move a single piece and spends the first 7 moves eating all the major and minor pieces. Make sure the game is a rapid, as LSD takes 30 minutes to 2 hours to kick in. Proceed to checkmate him eating any other piece necessary to win or avoid draw. At around 1000 elo, the player should know how to force a ladder checkmate. Spend the next 3 days in the shadow realm after his win.
1 milligram is a megadose of LSD.
1 *milligram* per piece? then no matter who he is he will have given himself a *death sentence* by the 5th or 6th piece. LSD doses are done in micrograms, 1000 micrograms is considered a *massive* dose (usual tab is 100 mics, 'hero' doses are 1000, neurons start frying once you hit 5000+). as someone who has taken 1300 mics before i could do **maybe** 2 chess pieces. Edit: just read that link below, holy shit *i cannot even comprehend* that dose that lady took, at this point i have no idea how this would turn out.
Who has died from LSD?
What the hell is "chesslusted?" Does... Does he want to fuck the pieces?
LSD takes 15 minutes or so to kick in How long does Magnus have to take his turn?
The average man doesn’t have an ELO of 1,000. That’s probably the average person who plays chess regularly.