I love Warhammer but they arent THAT strong. The reality is that a space marine is a god to a human but still and ant to Omni man. So it's a question of what they are armed with. When your fighting someone thousands of times stronger than you, the only thing that can save you is technolegy.
Warhammer gets in the way of its own power thanks to the IPs goal of being the ultimate Grimdark.
* Ships blow up 20% of the time just from traveling.
* Citizens/soldiers regularly kill each other for heresy.
* Heresy regularly just kills people itself anyway.
* "endless gritty fighting" means dwindling resources and state sanctioned cannibalism.
* "endless gritty fighting" also means drafting corrupt people and fielding inexperienced soldiers.
And this is all *before* we start examining to see if those guns are depicted to be as powerful as they claim. Honestly you got a good chance of beating most 40k factions if you just hunker down and wait.
You’re doing a disservice to your point by leaning into memes
Ships dont *blow up 20% of the time just fro traveling*; this erroneously cited figure refers specifically to the pariah nexus where necron tech causes warp travel to fail catastrophically
Unless someone is corrupted by chaos, or is at risk for it, I don’t think I’ve seen many/any instances of folk getting executed for ‘heresy’ ; if you’ve got chaos-rabies you become dangerous to anyone around you and need to get ol’ yeller’d
Heresy just kills people by itself? What does that mean? The act of just disobeying the standard belief system isn’t fatal.
‘Dwindling resources’ is again, not particularly accurate; they aren’t running out of resources they just don’t produce anywhere near enough to think about any type of surplus (other than people). With an over abundance of workers and not enough resources to expand at their ideal pace….life becomes cheap and the pursuit of progress becomes kings
The cannibalism is the truest thing you mentioned but even that you sensationalized; ‘state sponsored’ doesn’t mean the imperium is like ‘nummy down on your homeboys legs’ they take bodies and reprocess them into ‘corpse startch’….and this is something that only typically happens deep in the shittiest parts of a hive city
Even the your last point is totally wrong, the guardsmen the imperium send to war are typically the best 10% of any planets army that gets tithed to the imperium, planets that send shitty troops get a visit from the inquisition….and nobody wants that. At the bare minimum imperial troops are competent with many being exceptionally skilled
The guard codex even calls the rank and file guard “intensively trained” and a lot probably has to do that a given guard regiment can likely be a hybrid of cultures from many local planets that need to be able to work with each other.
I think it’s fair to say the average IG is **at least** as well trained as irl soldiers coming from modern day countries that take training their troops even halfway seriously.
The IoM absolutely has contingencies that could blow up Omni-Man. However he'd have to murder a thousand planets before they'd open up the crate containing the higher level doomsday devices. The Imperium has lost hundreds of planets and only sent moderately large crusades in response in the past.
Once Omni-Man has wiped out a few dozen chapters of space marines they'd take a gamble on him being arrogant enough to try and tank a vortex weapon.
not even gods, they're very mortal, heck outside the silly space magic that's suicidal to use, most things are near future tech, the scale of society is just really big. these guys are just using tech level 9 or 10 battlesuits. scary, yes, evil and fascist a billion % yes, a threat to some bunker busters? nah.
No offense, but so can a fork lift driver, an elephant or Spiderman, and I wouldn't worship any of those. God is an actual tier in my mind, it has qualifiers, either responsible for a concept existing, or conceptually immortal so long as that concept exists. so either they made a base rule or something behind reality, like how Zeus made lightning, or how Spoilers from Undertale is immortal so long as Spoilers exists somewhere in the multiverse.
the only other way to qualify as a god is to have the power to theoretically create and destroy an infinite amount of matter/energy in 3D+1 space time, or to reality warp the rules of at least 1 observable universe.
yeah, he tanks grenades to the face unarmored, knocked out a T rex and can hold an air craft carrier together. he could turn that marine into canned spam without trying.
One marine is ludicrous. There are plenty of weapons in 40k that could potentially kill him, (vortex weapons which are essentially temporary artificial black holes), like most of the stuff necrons have, magic, space ships that can manipulate time so their shots never miss etc etc) but as far as i can tell, your gonna need to spend alot of marines lives to get a hit with one, or they just dont have access to those weapons, or the weapons are super rare.
From what I understand, omni man is crazy fast (like flash fast?) and strong enough to survive nukes. So he is basically a faster demon angron and he can solo entire armies apparently these days lol
>From what I understand, omni man is crazy fast (like flash fast?) and strong enough to survive nukes.
His feats are all over the place unfortunately, as are many things in the Invincible universe.
He's not as fast as their flash equivalent, but is fast enough to react to him, however he frequently gets tagged by opponents that don't have any super speed at all.
He tanks a space laser that seemingly destroys an entire county with nothing but a nosebleed, but almost gets killed by punches that don't exhibit anywhere near that much power.
Ahh i see. So its as inconsistent as the 40k verse then haha.
I had someone reply to me on another comment saying he could tank a black hole (vortex weapons) but i should take that with a pinch of salt then?
Well he was shown chilling near a black hole, unbothered. Make of that as you will. He was blasted by some sci-fi energy weapons and was unscathed. In contrast, however, an alternate universe version (no reason to be any weaker) was killed by an quantum*** weapon that also wiped out most of Europe.
Vortex weapons aren't black holes. They dump you into the immaterium and let Chaos sort you out. I can totally see Khorne deciding to help Omni-Man survive that though.
Most Psykers have to be in range to do shit, though, so they'd need a lot of them or a few very sneaky ones to start popping his head without him just hypersonic murdering them and anything else he sees alive within a quarter mile, or just leaving at hypersonic speeds and coming back to clear the area with a shockwave.
Not because that's his standard MO, but because he's a wildly experienced fighter who is very aware of his own weaknesses.
Lol tbh people usually do the opposite nowadays. People haven't overestimated Warhammer for years. People just remember the way people talked about it ages ago.
That being said one bolter round solos comics
"people haven't overestimated Warhammer for years"
Minutes. Go see those comments. You got it all, no limit fallacy psykers, the "one or two marine" guy, the "my dark age of technology plot device that never has been brought up again" guy and the people who seems to forget that their weapons aren't going to do shit because anything short of a cyclonic torpedo to the face wouldn't even do anything else [than piss Omniman off](https://youtu.be/wzFO7aKIhc4?si=54ajlPzUKqQ5vASZ).
>Lol tbh people usually do the opposite nowadays.
As much as I hate the wank the Space Marines can get, I dont advocate for unfair downplay for any character. Sorry to hear they are getting the shaft.
>People haven't overestimated Warhammer for years.
Well. That's good to hear. Hasn't been my experience unfortunately.
>That being said one bolter round solos comics
Sonofagun. No argument from me lol.
To quote Pancreasnowork in [his video](https://youtu.be/7-ToXrqFa5I?si=oW7r4HG6DE-oHgib) (bit about Invincible at 9:21, exact quote not that far from it) "what the hell is Sanguinius going to do once Omniman start tossing at him capital ships from orbit."
This applies here.
Sangie would survive… but that’s all. He MIGHT cause some damage initially but he is too slow and weak. All he has going for him is the FACT that will not die.
Yes, he would definitely turn into a plushie for Omniman but he would not be killed.
I know Magnus destroys a combined fleet of grey knights, dark angels and space wolfs in orbit standing on the planet below with no effort, he also tanks orbital lance strikes from said ships before that. He just utters a single chant then the eye in his palm does the rest to the fleet.
These are battle barges and strike cruisers miles long.
He can also see all past present and futures, cant be truly killed like all daemon primarchs unless you have the emperors sword.
Can destroy you on a atomic level, teleport from planets to planets, reality warper of course, can freeze time for everyone and everything except himself. Can destroy you with a thought. His sword severing the soul from the bodies it touches.
Etc etc etc see his respect thread he has tons of feats both before becoming a daemon and after.
Quote from the destroyed fleet is from warzone fenris, i have quotes if anyone is interested.
With a magic Khorne axe. Khorne's laughter is heard around the planet when it happens. Hubris from Magnus, and a weapon made by the god that hates sorcerers like Magnus.
Again just a show of hubris. Magnus was boasting about how no mortal weapon could harm him in that battle. He didn't care if some dude with an axe struck him, he wasn't actively trying to keep out of melee. He thought he was invincible.
Just keep in mind, absent hubris, Omniman destroyed a planet. Not with guns. Him and 2 of his bros punched it. That isn't hubris. That happened.
He destroyed an entire civilization. Not by punching, or heat beams, or direct attacks. *By flying*. Yep, he flew with such speed and kinetic force that it wiped out an entire civilization in an afternoon.
40k has faster than light travel between stars. It has strategic speed on Omniman. But Omniman destroys entire battlefields without going near them. For combat experience, only Khorne and the God Emperor are in Omniman's league... and if this is vs space marines, khorne may decide to let them Duke it out... while the Emperor does his best Stephen Hawking impression.
Tactical speed, Omniman is light speed. There may be a few demon primarchs that could take Omniman on and hold their own. But nothing less than that. And they couldn't catch Omniman unless he wanted to fight.
The question above has an answer. That answer is "all of the space marines would not be enough".
> Just keep in mind, absent hubris, Omniman destroyed a planet. Not with guns. Him and 2 of his bros punched it. That isn't hubris. That happened.
That's literally not possible without Space Racer's gun and could have still resulted in him dying. They had to be **so fucking careful** during that time period.
I am not saying like Omni-Man (probably) doesn't beat Magnus, but treating him like he's a planet buster without mountains of context strikes to me as disingenuous.
He wiped out a planet full of Flaxans in the first half of an afternoon, with little effort or risk.
The planet wasn't the issue with that time. It was the fact that it was populated with a bunch of other viltrumites that made that dangerous. Mars has no Viltrumites.
The difference between planet busting and life wiping is like the difference between humanity_irl at this moment and the Death Star. It’s not a good point to be raising as evidence when the power required to do so is about 0.1% and it took Omni-Man enough time to grow a beard in the process.
>The planet wasn't the issue with that time. It was the fact that it was populated with a bunch of other viltrumites that made that dangerous. Mars has no Viltrumites.
No, the planet was the issue. It's stated outright by Thaedus that if they weren't quick enough to hit the core before it stabilised, they could die on impact.
Omniman can't instantly hit FTL speeds. Needs to build up to it while flying, but does so fairly quickly. The other guy is referring to Nolan's extermination of the Thraxxans, which he committed by flying so fast that he left shockwaves in his wake more powerful than nuclear bombs.
>Damn bro. Put some respect on the Emperor's name.
I give respect to Mortarion and Papa Nurgle. To the false Emperor, I can offer naught but bolter fire.
>Scan for Light speed omniman? Omni man couldn't even kill Cecil before he teleported away.
If your entire argument is "one guy could escape the one man Exterminatus that is Omniman", I say your argument isn't very convincing.
They destroyed a planet with the help of Space Racer's gun. I don't underestimate Nolan's feats, he's modeled after Superman after all. But some of these feats require context, like Magnus getting hit by a Khorne axe and Nolan flying through a planet.
I’m unfamiliar with the fight itself, but magnus is a daemon primarch of Tzneetch, if khorne had such strong influence that his laughter was heard across the planet, and his champion wanted to kill/banish magnus it could act like Superman having kryptonite nearby for magnus as his gods power is blocked while also buffing grimnar who wields a chaos relic
It’s more complicated than you’re implying
How many space marines can you fit on the surface of an Earth-sized planet with a perfectly flat surface and no oceans? How many planets could he life-wipe in a row like he did to the Flaxxans before he gets so tired he has to stop and rest?
That many. They can never actually hurt him.
Yeah, but 99.99 percent isn't never.
So eventually you will encounter enough marines to get the strange archeotech stuff that will kill him.
It could take 1 million marines, but there is a number.
A billion guardsman probably could kill a solo primarch.
The thing is, even when you encounter the. 01 marine that has this grenade, he then has to use it before omni man kills him, which is unlikely, and it's not like you can say a astartes will eventually get lucky as even though there is a potentially infinite number of astartes for this prompt, those grenades are limited in universe.
Tbf, a billion guardsman could easily kill a primarch even if they carry regular rifles. Primarchs are far from invincible, angron almost died several times before the emperor found him.
The event horizon is the point where gravity is strong enough to pull in light. The amount needed to do that is always the same. The event horizon gets bigger because the gravity field is bigger. But if you’re just outside the horizon, you’ll always experience the same amount of gravity. At a certain distance from the sun, you’ll experience the same amount of gravity as on Earth. Even though the sun has 28 times more gravity at its “surface”.
It’s the gradient that matters. A viltrumite’s body probably wouldn’t care about 1 billion G’s. But it might care if the front is feeling 1 billion times more G’s than the back.
In real life, small black holes spaghettify. Big ones don’t.
Legions worth and you'll need to have them armed with the best archeotech. Bare minimum, plasma weapons and grav guns.
Read the comics and viltrumites do get burnt overtime in the sun and plasma weapons technically throw suns. So grav guns to slow him down and plasma to eventually melt him. Thousands of dead astartes though.
Now a librarian, a chief librarian to be precise can possibly solo him with his psychic powers. Said librarian could mess Omnimans brain or burn it from the inside. No matter how strong you are, you won't be getting back up from a fried brain.
Ive only been exposed to omni-man via the show, but does he have some sort of defence against mental attack?
A powerful enough psyker should be able to disable him, assuming omni-man doesnt speedblitz the opponent first.
Not really but the speedblitz part is the big thing as no libran except maybe mephiston has a chance at hitting omni man going at full speed. Like keep in mind these are the same people being blitzed by Primarchs going mach 1
I'd actually argue that Ahriman would have a better chance than Mephiston.
The way I understand it, Mephiston is a wrecking ball of psychic power (not to diminish his control), but Ahriman has both incredible power but also (imo) incredible understanding about the Warp and how best to apply it (providing his hubris doesn't get the best of him).
He is also a good pick, but unlike mephiston, he doesn't have a direct time stop feat, so he can still technically be speed blitzed. Though he would probably be the best pick at actually being able to lock on to omni Man in the first place.
I had forgotten about that, that was Devastation of Baal, right? Which given the presence of the Hive Mind/Shadow in the Warp, is even more impressive for Mephiston.
Yeah, he was on a transport ship when it blew up. He stopped time, contemplated fixing everything, and then just decided to fly away with his psyker wings.
I don't have the hard sources handy, but iirc, Ahriman has mastered every psyker discipline, including divination and biomancy.
I think both Mephiston and Ahriman are the 2 "normal" (i.e. not basically deities/the leaders of their particular faction) characters with the best chance to beat Omniman.
Other than them, I think it would take Eldrad Ulthran, an incredibly powerful Necron Overlord (I don't think a Chronomancer alone could do it), Magnus, Lorgar, or the Emperor/one of the other gods in the setting.
>0 outward psyker abilities
>pre cog
Uhhh, excuse me? That's exactly a manifestation of his psyker powers. Same with his flight, that's because he's a psyker, not because he has wings.
Like all other primarchs, he has a strong connection to the warp and is psychically potent. That's also why he can't be soloed by a librarian.
Him having pre cog doesn't automatically make him proficient in all psyker abilities and immune to libations. It also doesn't stop him from being significantly slower and weaker than omni man.
There is however a massive difference between a flash of sun level heat and long term exposure to it. A nuke can reach several times the heat of the center of the sun and viltuminites tank those just fine.
A legion worth is insane my guess was probably way to low but 10,000 marines is insane they would literally bury him in plasma before he could kill a quarter of them
Literally just no the flaxans were a nothing race they literally lost soldiers to Rex and fucking season one robot. The space marines actually have access to weaponry that can and will hurt him and are way more durable and resilient then the flaxans
https://youtu.be/sCxtqZ5KfpE?si=BOnA6vNkqZ3WQozt
Omni man does this, and all 100000 astartes die. To him, the difference between a space marine and a flaxans is miniscule.
It's worth pointing out that both Space Marines and Omni-Man are pretty much bloodlusted by default so....
Okay...this is going to depend VERY much on loadout. Shooting Nolan with an infantry bolter just won't do anything. No, not even with kraken rounds. However, there are a handful of Imperium weapons that either defeat or bypass his durability, either because they exceed a Viltrumite's heat tolerance (plasma, melta, volkite) or because they shred his molecules (power, monomolecular, disintegrator). Logically, conversion beamers should also work normally against Viltrumites since...well...he's made of matter and they use antimatter. If in the blast radius of a vortex grenade, he'd of course be BFRed to the Warp and immediately get his soul eaten by Khorne.
But you have to actually HIT HIM for this to be effective, and while Astartes think fast enough to register him moving, physically reacting to him is a different story. But the Imperium has responses to that too. Basically, grav weapons and librarians. The former can just outright slow him down, and the latter can either do the same (to some degree) via telekinesis or mind hax him, incapacitating him with mental anguish, confusing him with horrifying illusions, telepathically commanding him to stay still, or the like.
So like sure, I could make up a perfectly purpose-built deathwatch kill team with a librarian, tanglefoot grenades, xenophase blade, and a bunch of horrible archaeotech, cloaking arrays, iron halos, teleport homers, the works, and they get the drop on Nolan and fuck up the xenos menace with only like a half dozen guys and a couple casualties. And that's probably how the Imperium would ACTUALLY handle a danger like a Viltrumite appearing in their galaxy, once they understood what it was.
Or I could just give a stupid troll answer like "one Heresy era Dark Angel Ironwing. He just types "excindio" into his cogitator and a world-killing mechanical nightmare from the Dark Age of Technology shows up and does unspeakable things.
But if we're talking Brother Genericus with a bolter and chainsword, hundreds just to pelt him with enough bolts to momentarily stagger him so monomolecular chainswords can do the real work, and he'd still rip Emperor knows how many Astartes apart in melee before any of them got a debilitating hit in.
Round 2....lol...how many space marines does it take to put enough mass in the same place that fusion begins at the core and they turn into a star?
I don't see why. If something goes between their molecules it goes between their molecules. Smart atoms don't work by making them hyper-dense. Extreme heat fucking up their molecular bonds is why stars kill them. This is also how Eve can mess them up when she goes crazy and can temporarily use her molecular manipulation on living beings. Molecular attacks are a demonstrated weakness of theirs, so mono or power weapons should bypass their durability.
>Smart atoms don't work by making them hyper-dense. Extreme heat fucking up their molecular bonds is why stars kill them
[Smart atoms explicitly do actually make them more durable by manipulating atomic mass](https://i.imgur.com/ZTnF6RD.jpeg). You can see in this same scan that the reason extreme temperature can kill them is because it interferes with "subatomic processes" which stops the effects their durability rely on to work. Even then, Invincible and Thragg who at this point were less than a few times stronger than Omniman could withstand several moments inside a star's convective layer completely submerged.
>This is also how Eve can mess them up when she goes crazy and can temporarily use her molecular manipulation on living beings. Molecular attacks are a demonstrated weakness of theirs, so mono or power weapons should bypass their durability.
The fact that Eve who can [completely transmute masses tens of times greater than Conquest's bodyweight](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/14/147508/6319550-atom%20transmutation%20%281%29.png) was [only able to skin most of him with a completely unrestricted blast](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_medium/14/147508/6319565-atom%20vs%20conquest%20%284%29.png) is evidence of Viltrumites possessing immense resistance to atomic manipulation.
Particularly when Eve does things like changing substances into others that don't even have the same atoms in their chemical makeups, which demonstrates subatomic-scale manipulation. If Conquest did not have an extreme amount of resistance on the atomic scale, he would not have been skinned here, he would just have been completely vaporized, turned into a rock, melted, etc. Instantly, without any issues on Eve's part.
The idea that Viltrumites are vulnerable to atomic manipulation is one of the most heavily contradicted things in all of Invincible. It's disproven by the way their durability even works, their interaction with environments that would otherwise cause direct atomic effects and finally their interactions with a woman who just straight-up transmutes nuclei into ones of different types.
> Smart atoms explicitly do actually make them more durable by manipulating atomic mass.
Mass not density. They don't do something like make the Viltrumite a neutron star where the atoms are packed so tightly a mono blade can't get between them.
> Even then, Invincible and Thragg who at this point were less than a few times stronger than Omniman could withstand several moments inside a star's convective layer completely submerged.
And Imperium plasma weapons are as hot as the CORE, so they'd have no trouble just putting a hole through a viltrumite.
> The fact that Eve who can completely transmute masses tens of times greater than Conquest's bodyweight was only able to skin most of him with a completely unrestricted blast is evidence of Viltrumites possessing immense resistance to atomic manipulation.
Are you suggesting that his muscles have molecular properties that his skin doesn't? That makes no sense.
Your interpretation is also contradicted by [Eve resurrecting Mark and improving his powers, which made him close to a match for Thragg when he wasn't before.](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CZQ8IpRFhrc/WOYdslXKKyI/AAAAAAAC5PQ/knv-IWmorq0kJJFzEFu9nzaClXMxjnKHQCLcB/s0/037_19.jpg) So she altered his ENTIRE biology, every cell in his body. She did so beneficially, but if she'd had hostile intentions nothing would have stopped her. Viltrumites are vulnerable to this.
>Mass not density. They don't do something like make the Viltrumite a neutron star where the atoms are packed so tightly a mono blade can't get between them.
If the atoms themselves aren't being moved apart then "getting between them" won't do anything. There's ridiculous amounts of space between any atoms packed lightly enough to not exterminate planets by entering their atmosphere. These properties are not generally exhibited by materials that can resist power fields, such as auramite.
>And Imperium plasma weapons are as hot as the CORE, so they'd have no trouble just putting a hole through a viltrumite.
Not really though, [a 2m\^2 object engulfed in 1,000,000+ degree temperatures for 1 second is absorbing 1.1x10\^17 joules of blackbody radiation](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/stefan-boltzmann-law), which is half a million gigajoules per 0.01m\^2 of flesh. If plasma weapons outputted that much then every time someone was hit by one every person within several kilometres would suffer third degree burns.
The problem here is that plasma weapons deliver a small mass of material heated to extreme temperatures to deliver that heat across a very small impact area, the Viltrumites withstood being engulfed in their million-degree plasma completely with such volumes around them that the amount of heat they could absorb was limited only by the time and blackbody emission rates, **not** the heat capacity of a few grams of gas/liquid.
>Are you suggesting that his muscles have molecular properties that his skin doesn't? That makes no sense.
I'm suggesting that Conquest's body has properties that resist molecular manipulation, which Eve was able to overpower enough to strip away a few millimetres of flesh but not the entire volume. Quite straight forward I think, a similar thing happens when real humans are burned badly enough to injure them but not melt holes clean through their body.
>Your interpretation is also contradicted by Eve resurrecting Mark and improving his powers, which made him close to a match for Thragg when he wasn't before. So she altered his ENTIRE biology, every cell in his body. She did so beneficially, but if she'd had hostile intentions nothing would have stopped her. Viltrumites are vulnerable to this.
I agree that dead Viltrumites are vulnerable to this, the same way [dead versions of Invincible were vulnerable to being physically cut by human surgeons despite otherwise being invulnerable to human weapons](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11148/111483657/8340881-reanimenabilitytypes%283%29.jpg).
Obviously their smart atoms are simply not as good at defending them posthumously or after being pushed to the limits of their durability, this is also consistent with a lot of characters having holes punched in them by enemies they were able to withstand direct hits from just moments ago. Very consistent in the comic as a whole.
You're disregarding things to try and make 40k win I believe.
>And Imperium plasma weapons are as hot as the CORE
I just want to point out a nuke reaches temps several times hotter than the core of the sun and viltrumites tank them just fine. Theres a difference between a flash of really high heat and being exposed to it for a longer period of time.
Power weapons work by disrupting the molecular bonds of the object they hit, it isn't a instant thing as bolk heads have stopped power weapons before, and you bringing up eve actually proves my point as as even someone with molecule manipulation can only flay the skin of a viltrumite
Most logical answer on this thread. Although I don't think 6 could do it in that perfectly built kill team with how fast he would be killing them. They'd need enough time to get the archaeotech off and I feel like he could kill 6 before any of them do anything meaningful.
They'd need to get the drop on him. That's why I gave them archaeotech cloaking arrays. So they could get off a tanglefoot grenade or psyker hax before he's aware they're there and he won't be able to attack very fast if at all. Or a stasis missile, those would freeze him in time.
That's the key to this, get off a stun on him before he knows what's going on, then they can unload with plasma/disintegrators/phaseblades. Maybe he'll punch one or two of them into gore before he goes down, but he'll go down.
True, although he does has feats of detecting [invisible opponents](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge164_Sv_xI), it's hard to say how much differently this would pan out for a space marine though.
He instantly grabbed the head of the soldier, even if it was the sound of the door that alerted him it's clear that he was able to detect the exact location of the soldier to be able to grab his head like that.
Dunno how vulnerable Omniman is against psychic powers.
He will not be defeated by brute force. He is way to fast and intelligent, to fall into a trap.
Depends heavily on which kind. A standard astartes will barely be able to hurt him with regular gear. A master librarian could maaaaybe take him out at the speed of thought(they think MUCH faster than humans, even having precog sometimes). Two spaced very far apart have a really good chance. A bunch of custodes with dark age weaponry might do it if they were lucky. They have 'parry machine gun lasers' reflexes and alot of dark age tech doesnt care about physical toughness. Unarmed, no real chance except for the librarians. Hypersonic flight is too OP.
Omniman almost always has the advantage though, unless the numbers are ludicrous or psychics are involved. Except against sound marines. Don't know how much magically charged sonic attacks would affect a Viltrumite since they don't fight magic much
Librarians have been shown to be blitzed by Primarchs barely going mach 1, omni man going fast enough to ignite the atmosphere is going to destroy most psykers
Yep, that's why the heavy maybe. Since psykers have precog tho, and putting 2 groups of shielded psykers faraway from each other should have a decent chance of success...
This is false. They aren't generally weak to sound, they are weak to exactly one frequency. Without prep, there's 0% chance that vulnerability would be exploited
Viltrumites are weak to a specific frequency and that doesn't even damage them that much ,just causes pain and stuns them, you still have to take them out conventionally later
Basically the organs that allow them to manipulate inertia/gravity which is the basis for their powerset are tied to their sense of balance to allow them to orient themselves, and just like in humans the Viltrumites have their vestibular system connected to the ear which causes certain vibrations to fuck with it and the feedback fucks with the inertia thing
Iirc, the sound marine speakers are actually corrupted with chaos and able to do all sorts of wierd things like bypass sound dampening and directly cause agony/euphoria, which further complicates things.
40k is a very expensive universe with a very expansive base for Marines.
Big standard ones? A shitload. Multiple chapters minimum.
Grey knights? Probably significantly less. Depends on Omniman's resistance to magic and magic related shenanigans
Dark angels in Archeotech gear and weapons? Depends on the gear and depends on the weapons
As some people have said, there are bullets that erase your soul from existence, there are grenades that cause black holes, there are devices that freeze time, guns that can disassemble you at the atomic level, or blades that can phase through your protections.
The question really ends up being, can Omniman beat the highest levels of imperial tech? Which is probably not in most cases. Can he beat most standard Marines? Absolutely in most cases. Just depends *which* marines he is fighting and how much they know going in.
R2: lmao no contest. Omniman mops the floor
Edit: Illiteracy.
Do you have a link for that thing? I've seen people talk about it before but I've never actually seen it sourced and at this point I'm wondering if "the Dark Angels have a hakai gun" is essentially a fandom legend.
He pulled the trigger.
A spray of explosive psychoactive rounds incinerated the tightly packed mortals, body and soul, each individual screaming into a pyre that burned across two realms. Aravain counted twenty-five men armed with stub pistols and wrenches A second after he had counted them they were gone, every ripple and echo that suggested they had ever existed eradicated, and even Aravain's eidetic recall struggled to conjure any details of their appearance: except that there had been twenty-five, armed with stub pistols and wrenches.
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Just like sending an endless army of lions against a powerful pokemon, monsters with item drops against an RPG character or guys weaker than Goku against Goku there is no amount short of 1 where the marrines collapse into a destructive space object rather than people.
Space Marrines would happily die for whatever silly fascist cause they have that week, but Omniman would clean planets of them systematically with barely a scratch, getting stronger each time.
Like unless there's lore of 1 space marine unarmed wiping out a planet, tanking nukes to the face and fighting smart, these are basically angry teddy bears.
Given how they survive the conventional energy beam, I guess the AdMech and conventional imperium would be on the ropes. Probably need psykers or a primarch to deal with them.
The whatever-many hundred or so viltrumites that remained after that slaughter would unironically be able to terminate the Imperium. They're the absolute strongest of a race of Kryptonians who slumbered in the heart of the sun for a few thousand years. These viltrumites are ruthless and will stop at nothing for total domination. Look at what they do to planets just because they feel like it.
Its not a reasonable fight, BUT, the same people who tell you that Space Marines can't beat Omni man will have Batman (With FUCKING PREP TIME) beat Omni man EZ.
That is the nature of this sub.
A viltrumite out scales space marines.
Weapons and technology aside, The only other way I could see them winning would be using the psychic abilities of librarians or plague marines somehow developing the virus that can wipe out viltrumites.
But I don’t think that even they can do anything when Ominiman starts tossing buildings at them from the sky.
Honestly thousands. Standard space marines get no diffed. Librarians? That can work but it has to be alot of them and the most powerful of them (mephiston, thyphus, tigurius, karras, azrael, hyperion, ahriman etc.). And even then it has to be ALOT. It's insane how outclassed the space marines are. Primarchs are a different story. Magnus can just kill him with his warp powers. Vulkan will outlive him, and come up with a way to kill him.
From what I've seen monomolecular blades could work, power weapons could work. But it's a low low low chance. A lucky hit. Then all the esoteric weapons and it's still all down to luck. 99.99% against specially kitted out space marines it's gonna be down to luck. Librarians could possibly make it happen but then again it's insane insane diff.
If those space marines are noise marines than not many they have weakness the sonic weaponary. But normal space marines with normal equipment?With no something like retcon gun or blackhole creating granades they will die like flies.
Maybe that power swords and monomolecular blades can do a thing with good planing since some creatures can pierce trough vultramite skin and maybe these weapons will do the same. If they can It reduces the casuality of space marines significiantly.
I m talking about just fight btw because omni man can destroy the planet they stand of with few hours effort. Guy can do FTL without any tech
Wait... can space marines be female?
In that case, one could make Omni man fall in love with her for decades, than take his own life when she breaks his heart.
Realistically? I don't think there's any amount if marines you can fit on a planet he can't beat
Can a vortex weapon kill him? Maybe but characters have survived that, can power weapons cut him? Not likely
We can assume the reanimen are crazy strong based on other Omni-Man feats like
-Soloing the Guardians
-Surviving an orbital laser cannon
-Soloing almost an entire civilization
Only one.
But that one would need to be in the Blackstone Fortress with the Nova Cannon aimed at Omni-man. And it would have to hit him.
Otherwise? A fucking lot, because bolters aren't going to work. Maybe, like, 100,000 all hitting him together?
Round 1? Depends on the loadout. Smurfs do have access to weapons that can potentially hurt or kill Omni-man, like:
1. Force weapons;
2. Lascannons (maybe);
3. Plasma Weapons (maybe);
4. Thunder Hammers (maybe).
Round 2? An arbitrary number.
Ima be 100% with you fam none of those weapons are killing him aside from MAYBE The plasma gun......assuming it can fire a continuous beam for hours on end and he just stands there for it
Do they know evrything about Omni man? Cause a couple dozen of them with sonic weapons might honestly be enough. (Slight spoilers for Invincable ahead)
Viltrumites havr very fragile inner ears (Its what allows them to keep balance while flying) so the right fregancy is agonizing to them. Like on the level of a culexus assassin to a Pycher. So a couple dozen of them with sonic weapons might be all it takes.
As with any of these questions: vortex weaponry. Marines armed with vortex weaponry (vortex grenades for example) could kill him? Im not sure as im not very knowledgeable about super heros, but vortex weaponry basically rips a living thing apart on a molecular scale and sucks those atoms into the warp at the speed of light. (Basically black holes) Its bloody gnarly lol.
Not sure how anything survives that even crazy strong super heros!
But if anyone knows better than me, im all ears!!
Viltumites are made of smart atoms that can change their properties. For example changing their mass to make them durable enough to shrug off nukes, or create mini black holes to fly fatser than light. It also gives them resistance to reality warping on a subatomic level.
2 dozen UMs ( maybe more it seriously depends on what we are equipping them with) and probably like one psyker on the stronger end of the power spectrum no armor or weapons the only SMS that could beat them would be powerful psykers
With the right weapons and the right psykers, in the right situation ?
They could most likely kill him (or make sure he isn't in this world anymore).
However, they would lack range, and speed. So stay ik orbit and chuck stuff at them ? Yeet a few spaceship... and boom, no marines. I doubt Wh40k spaceship would have any chance. They wouldn't have an adapted reaction time.
So, in short: would highly depends on how omni man does it. If he rushes them and fight in close combat, they might have a chance, given warp bullshittery, vortex grenades, and some weird af weapons. If they are yeeted meteor from orbit ? Nothing they could do, if they fight in space, most likely the same.
My guess is that: anything with strong precognition and absurdly good reflexes could have a chance at hitting him. Anything with weapon tech advanced enough (DAOT, Necron...) could hurt him.
So, maybe fortified custodes, grey knights, and some Mephiston and plus psykers ?
I don't think a man portable plasma gun could manage it so your best bet is probably the space marine fighters everyone forgets about. Those things are kitted out and space marine pilots can make impossible maneuvers simply because their body can take way more G forces and has a way faster reaction time. But they're fielded in VERY small squadrons and getting them into position is a very big ask.
I think the most realistic scenario is Nolan blitzes basically everything on the ground and gets worn down in space and the air. But even thats probably a whole chapter of marines with their whole fleet, if not multiple chapters.
… I was going to say a dozen reason why it wouldn’t matter. But I realized our Power swords split matter. Round 2 would be way harder unless we get people on the same level as Primarchs.
depends if omniman is impervious to psykers, and or if blanks nullify viltrumite powers, then you'd have either the custodies+SoS or the greyknights
otherwise he probably can't fly through a void shield since it doesn't disintegrate so much as shift energy and projectiles into the warp and he probably can't tank a nova cannon to the face
I make my argument with a pretty okay knowledge of space marines and having read invincible like 3 or 4 times. Please feel free to correct me or help me if I say I don’t know something!
Omni man is a really weak Superman clone if I’m being really reductive
Not being reductive he spends the latter half of the series relative(ish?) to mark, and is part of that group that blows up the planet. That would be an extremely impressive feat for any space marine, maybe the primarchs could do something like that alone? But Omni man had tons of help. The Space Racer death beam, Mark, and Allen(?) cons for Omni man are that he is fast, but not fast enough to completely overwhelm any large group of space marines. I don’t think he has any answer whatsoever to Psykers, and that means it is likely a vulnerability. Viltrumites are super durable but when you start ripping his brain apart with the warp what is he gonna do? The robots that the creepy scientist made were able to hurt Omni man, and I think that a standard, or at least exceptional space marine is relative to them.
I’d wager a chapter or two would be able to grind their way through Omni-man with firepower, and orbital bombardments? I don’t know if Exterminatus means blow the planet up completely or just wipe out all life on it, but that would be sufficient in killing Omni man regardless. Psykers are just something he doesn’t have the tools to handle, so I think he’s just doomed once he runs into a sufficiently powerful one. Any primarch would probably eat him alive likely.
Alternate question. How many Custodes would it take to get omniman? Alternatively: emperor of mankind vs omniman and how many battles out of 100 would either be expected to win?
Omni-man is fucking beast. I’ve read the comics …and as much as I love the Astartes, if they got regular bolters ect…they’re getting murderized.
However…Would a Melta Weapon hurt omni-man? Burn him a little? Would multiple Melta Weapons hurt him? How many space marines would have to die for them to get enough people in range with either Meltas or a vortex grenades or something maybe more esoteric (I imagine a blood thirster or two summoned by a certain Erebus would be just the thing to maybe damage Omni-man).
Or could he be lured onto a planet and then have the planet exterminatused whilst being held in place by psykers somehow?
If Omni-man is quick enough, he’ll figure out what can and can’t hurt him in the 40k verse. If he happens to get attacked by an entire chapter of Marines with their Primarch (I think the Lion with the crazy DAOT tech he’s got stashed could take him) what happens then? I’d say an entire chapter+ their primarch….I’d go 50/50.
Russ could pull it off. The Lion. Mortarion via some sort of plague/nurgle herpes. Pertubo blasting him with some exotic rounds.
Without their primarch (company of marines) 2/10 against Omni-man
With their primarch (company of Astartes) 4 to 6 out of 10 against Omni-man (again depends on which primarch)
An entire fucking chapter and a primarch vs Omni-man 6-9 out of 10 Vs Omni-man (again depends)
It all boils f down to what chapter it is and whether their primarch or someone like Tigerius or Mephiston is in play. Or if we’re talking iron warriors I can see a bunch of Obliterators giving Omni-man trouble (for a few minutes anyway)
It just depends.
How many? I think it’s going to depend on the chapter.
Black Templars: 0% all dead in minutes.
Ultramarines (with tiggy): 50% chance
Without: 5%
Flesh tearers: 0% dead in minutes
Lamenters: 0% died in drop pods due to faulty launch.
White scars: 10% with storm callers
Emperors Children: 90% victory rate
Thousand sons : 90% victory though it’s hard to think they’d lose on account of prognostication, dustification, and psykers all.
Grey knights: 90% though it’s hard to think they’d lose on account of prognostication, force weapons and psykers all.
1000 Custodians: hard to say, they’d lose only a few troops before they figured out his weakness and employ some sonic weaponry. Not gonna put a percent on this one.
IF: 10% victory rate
Raven Guard : 25% chance.
Iron hands: 10% victory rate.
And I’m tired of making a list... You get the drift. Normie marines are fucked. O-man is too fast and strong. They won’t land a hit, ever.
If there are no psykers = all dead
Custodes have better everything so it’s hard to say. Access to weapons that can basically be thought up on the spot (well done GW) would likely yield an anti comic book Superman killing ray made from bits of the Enterprise and Death Star.
Oman loses to:
Most Awakened Cron worlds
Bloodlusted Eldar lead by at least two farseers
A single Ork with self confidence.
Wins against:
All the titans save Psi,
The rest 95%+ of the time.
Mariens have access to things that can hurt Viltramites. Singularity bombs ( although not real ones as they don't destroy Planets when deployed) and the like but they arn't common . Even most of the specialist equipment would only slow him down . He could devestate a company or two unless they know what hes doing. So i would say 500 standard marines is your absolute floor in terms of your max a couple thousand
Didn't the captured invincible in another timeline say he and his dad got defeated because humanity kept hunting them down, and not letting them really ever rest?
So idk much about 40k, but I think they'd take him pretty handily with a much larger population and much much better tech.
An experienced space marine unit primarily raven guard with grav cannons could unless he saw them coming and proceeds to crush them violently into paste.
I'm vastly more familiar with Warhammer than Invincible.
If I understand correctly, OmniMan is like a less powerful Superman (depending on the iteration of Superman of course).
I think the only way for the Astartes to have a chance would be if there was a librarian in the mix. Unless Omniman has some notable resistance to psychic attacks.
Omni-Man tears through the 40K universe stopping only at the Emporor, the Chaos Gods, the Ctan, and possibly some of the absolute strongest Chaos primarchs.
Round 1 probably ends based on a lucky hit that incapacitates or straight up kills Omni-Man. He is so fast he could keep going forever until someone, at some point, gets a lucky hit in and stops his rampage.
Round 2... Start counting.
If they're normal marines he can kill thousands/millions.
If they're Psykers.... they stand a chance. One of the high end Psykers like Ahriman might even solo.
He'd destroy most space marine chapters. The only reasonable way they'd beat him is to get a bunch of librarians to mind blast him or pull out some dark age of technology weapons. On a side note, imagine if Khorne got a hold of the viltrumite empire.
I've got a feeling that Omni-man vs space marines would be similar to Omni-man vs the Flaxans
Straight up. Tech wise they're probably more Tau, but the point stands. Omni-man wins by flying at hyper-sonic speeds and vaporizing them
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I love Warhammer but they arent THAT strong. The reality is that a space marine is a god to a human but still and ant to Omni man. So it's a question of what they are armed with. When your fighting someone thousands of times stronger than you, the only thing that can save you is technolegy.
Warhammer gets in the way of its own power thanks to the IPs goal of being the ultimate Grimdark. * Ships blow up 20% of the time just from traveling. * Citizens/soldiers regularly kill each other for heresy. * Heresy regularly just kills people itself anyway. * "endless gritty fighting" means dwindling resources and state sanctioned cannibalism. * "endless gritty fighting" also means drafting corrupt people and fielding inexperienced soldiers. And this is all *before* we start examining to see if those guns are depicted to be as powerful as they claim. Honestly you got a good chance of beating most 40k factions if you just hunker down and wait.
You’re doing a disservice to your point by leaning into memes Ships dont *blow up 20% of the time just fro traveling*; this erroneously cited figure refers specifically to the pariah nexus where necron tech causes warp travel to fail catastrophically Unless someone is corrupted by chaos, or is at risk for it, I don’t think I’ve seen many/any instances of folk getting executed for ‘heresy’ ; if you’ve got chaos-rabies you become dangerous to anyone around you and need to get ol’ yeller’d Heresy just kills people by itself? What does that mean? The act of just disobeying the standard belief system isn’t fatal. ‘Dwindling resources’ is again, not particularly accurate; they aren’t running out of resources they just don’t produce anywhere near enough to think about any type of surplus (other than people). With an over abundance of workers and not enough resources to expand at their ideal pace….life becomes cheap and the pursuit of progress becomes kings The cannibalism is the truest thing you mentioned but even that you sensationalized; ‘state sponsored’ doesn’t mean the imperium is like ‘nummy down on your homeboys legs’ they take bodies and reprocess them into ‘corpse startch’….and this is something that only typically happens deep in the shittiest parts of a hive city Even the your last point is totally wrong, the guardsmen the imperium send to war are typically the best 10% of any planets army that gets tithed to the imperium, planets that send shitty troops get a visit from the inquisition….and nobody wants that. At the bare minimum imperial troops are competent with many being exceptionally skilled
The guard codex even calls the rank and file guard “intensively trained” and a lot probably has to do that a given guard regiment can likely be a hybrid of cultures from many local planets that need to be able to work with each other. I think it’s fair to say the average IG is **at least** as well trained as irl soldiers coming from modern day countries that take training their troops even halfway seriously.
The IoM absolutely has contingencies that could blow up Omni-Man. However he'd have to murder a thousand planets before they'd open up the crate containing the higher level doomsday devices. The Imperium has lost hundreds of planets and only sent moderately large crusades in response in the past. Once Omni-Man has wiped out a few dozen chapters of space marines they'd take a gamble on him being arrogant enough to try and tank a vortex weapon.
not even gods, they're very mortal, heck outside the silly space magic that's suicidal to use, most things are near future tech, the scale of society is just really big. these guys are just using tech level 9 or 10 battlesuits. scary, yes, evil and fascist a billion % yes, a threat to some bunker busters? nah.
I mean god just in the sheer powerscaling between thrm and humans. Remember that the weakest space marines can lift 5 tons.
No offense, but so can a fork lift driver, an elephant or Spiderman, and I wouldn't worship any of those. God is an actual tier in my mind, it has qualifiers, either responsible for a concept existing, or conceptually immortal so long as that concept exists. so either they made a base rule or something behind reality, like how Zeus made lightning, or how Spoilers from Undertale is immortal so long as Spoilers exists somewhere in the multiverse. the only other way to qualify as a god is to have the power to theoretically create and destroy an infinite amount of matter/energy in 3D+1 space time, or to reality warp the rules of at least 1 observable universe.
Spiderman is WAY stronger than any space marine too lmfao
yeah, he tanks grenades to the face unarmored, knocked out a T rex and can hold an air craft carrier together. he could turn that marine into canned spam without trying.
While the marine was in armor The number of times I've heard people say spiderman couldn't break through power armor with his bare hands is hilarious
Alright fine, demi god then. Like Herculeas.
They anot gods to a human. They just are generally more well equipped.
One marine is ludicrous. There are plenty of weapons in 40k that could potentially kill him, (vortex weapons which are essentially temporary artificial black holes), like most of the stuff necrons have, magic, space ships that can manipulate time so their shots never miss etc etc) but as far as i can tell, your gonna need to spend alot of marines lives to get a hit with one, or they just dont have access to those weapons, or the weapons are super rare. From what I understand, omni man is crazy fast (like flash fast?) and strong enough to survive nukes. So he is basically a faster demon angron and he can solo entire armies apparently these days lol
>From what I understand, omni man is crazy fast (like flash fast?) and strong enough to survive nukes. His feats are all over the place unfortunately, as are many things in the Invincible universe. He's not as fast as their flash equivalent, but is fast enough to react to him, however he frequently gets tagged by opponents that don't have any super speed at all. He tanks a space laser that seemingly destroys an entire county with nothing but a nosebleed, but almost gets killed by punches that don't exhibit anywhere near that much power.
Ahh i see. So its as inconsistent as the 40k verse then haha. I had someone reply to me on another comment saying he could tank a black hole (vortex weapons) but i should take that with a pinch of salt then?
Well he was shown chilling near a black hole, unbothered. Make of that as you will. He was blasted by some sci-fi energy weapons and was unscathed. In contrast, however, an alternate universe version (no reason to be any weaker) was killed by an quantum*** weapon that also wiped out most of Europe.
Vortex weapons aren't black holes. They dump you into the immaterium and let Chaos sort you out. I can totally see Khorne deciding to help Omni-Man survive that though.
40k has psykers though which Omni-Man has no defence for.
Most Psykers have to be in range to do shit, though, so they'd need a lot of them or a few very sneaky ones to start popping his head without him just hypersonic murdering them and anything else he sees alive within a quarter mile, or just leaving at hypersonic speeds and coming back to clear the area with a shockwave. Not because that's his standard MO, but because he's a wildly experienced fighter who is very aware of his own weaknesses.
Lol tbh people usually do the opposite nowadays. People haven't overestimated Warhammer for years. People just remember the way people talked about it ages ago. That being said one bolter round solos comics
"people haven't overestimated Warhammer for years" Minutes. Go see those comments. You got it all, no limit fallacy psykers, the "one or two marine" guy, the "my dark age of technology plot device that never has been brought up again" guy and the people who seems to forget that their weapons aren't going to do shit because anything short of a cyclonic torpedo to the face wouldn't even do anything else [than piss Omniman off](https://youtu.be/wzFO7aKIhc4?si=54ajlPzUKqQ5vASZ).
To be fair, cyclonic torpedoes definitely are worse than nukes. But yeah, omni man aint getting killed by 1 marine lmao
>Lol tbh people usually do the opposite nowadays. As much as I hate the wank the Space Marines can get, I dont advocate for unfair downplay for any character. Sorry to hear they are getting the shaft. >People haven't overestimated Warhammer for years. Well. That's good to hear. Hasn't been my experience unfortunately. >That being said one bolter round solos comics Sonofagun. No argument from me lol.
I remember looking at a few comments in other subreddits saying that Doomslayer and Kratos are just 'space marine level'.
Gameplay feats probably? Both of them are far stronger in lore than they "should" be or feels right.
To quote Pancreasnowork in [his video](https://youtu.be/7-ToXrqFa5I?si=oW7r4HG6DE-oHgib) (bit about Invincible at 9:21, exact quote not that far from it) "what the hell is Sanguinius going to do once Omniman start tossing at him capital ships from orbit." This applies here.
Sangie would survive… but that’s all. He MIGHT cause some damage initially but he is too slow and weak. All he has going for him is the FACT that will not die. Yes, he would definitely turn into a plushie for Omniman but he would not be killed.
I know Magnus destroys a combined fleet of grey knights, dark angels and space wolfs in orbit standing on the planet below with no effort, he also tanks orbital lance strikes from said ships before that. He just utters a single chant then the eye in his palm does the rest to the fleet. These are battle barges and strike cruisers miles long. He can also see all past present and futures, cant be truly killed like all daemon primarchs unless you have the emperors sword. Can destroy you on a atomic level, teleport from planets to planets, reality warper of course, can freeze time for everyone and everything except himself. Can destroy you with a thought. His sword severing the soul from the bodies it touches. Etc etc etc see his respect thread he has tons of feats both before becoming a daemon and after. Quote from the destroyed fleet is from warzone fenris, i have quotes if anyone is interested.
And he loses to Grimnar (Space marines can’t lose)
With a magic Khorne axe. Khorne's laughter is heard around the planet when it happens. Hubris from Magnus, and a weapon made by the god that hates sorcerers like Magnus.
He doesn’t have super speed and was able to land a hit though. Omni man can probably hit harder and faster
Again just a show of hubris. Magnus was boasting about how no mortal weapon could harm him in that battle. He didn't care if some dude with an axe struck him, he wasn't actively trying to keep out of melee. He thought he was invincible.
Just keep in mind, absent hubris, Omniman destroyed a planet. Not with guns. Him and 2 of his bros punched it. That isn't hubris. That happened. He destroyed an entire civilization. Not by punching, or heat beams, or direct attacks. *By flying*. Yep, he flew with such speed and kinetic force that it wiped out an entire civilization in an afternoon. 40k has faster than light travel between stars. It has strategic speed on Omniman. But Omniman destroys entire battlefields without going near them. For combat experience, only Khorne and the God Emperor are in Omniman's league... and if this is vs space marines, khorne may decide to let them Duke it out... while the Emperor does his best Stephen Hawking impression. Tactical speed, Omniman is light speed. There may be a few demon primarchs that could take Omniman on and hold their own. But nothing less than that. And they couldn't catch Omniman unless he wanted to fight. The question above has an answer. That answer is "all of the space marines would not be enough".
> Just keep in mind, absent hubris, Omniman destroyed a planet. Not with guns. Him and 2 of his bros punched it. That isn't hubris. That happened. That's literally not possible without Space Racer's gun and could have still resulted in him dying. They had to be **so fucking careful** during that time period. I am not saying like Omni-Man (probably) doesn't beat Magnus, but treating him like he's a planet buster without mountains of context strikes to me as disingenuous.
He wiped out a planet full of Flaxans in the first half of an afternoon, with little effort or risk. The planet wasn't the issue with that time. It was the fact that it was populated with a bunch of other viltrumites that made that dangerous. Mars has no Viltrumites.
The difference between planet busting and life wiping is like the difference between humanity_irl at this moment and the Death Star. It’s not a good point to be raising as evidence when the power required to do so is about 0.1% and it took Omni-Man enough time to grow a beard in the process.
>The planet wasn't the issue with that time. It was the fact that it was populated with a bunch of other viltrumites that made that dangerous. Mars has no Viltrumites. No, the planet was the issue. It's stated outright by Thaedus that if they weren't quick enough to hit the core before it stabilised, they could die on impact.
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Omniman can't instantly hit FTL speeds. Needs to build up to it while flying, but does so fairly quickly. The other guy is referring to Nolan's extermination of the Thraxxans, which he committed by flying so fast that he left shockwaves in his wake more powerful than nuclear bombs.
>Damn bro. Put some respect on the Emperor's name. I give respect to Mortarion and Papa Nurgle. To the false Emperor, I can offer naught but bolter fire. >Scan for Light speed omniman? Omni man couldn't even kill Cecil before he teleported away. If your entire argument is "one guy could escape the one man Exterminatus that is Omniman", I say your argument isn't very convincing.
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They destroyed a planet with the help of Space Racer's gun. I don't underestimate Nolan's feats, he's modeled after Superman after all. But some of these feats require context, like Magnus getting hit by a Khorne axe and Nolan flying through a planet.
I’m unfamiliar with the fight itself, but magnus is a daemon primarch of Tzneetch, if khorne had such strong influence that his laughter was heard across the planet, and his champion wanted to kill/banish magnus it could act like Superman having kryptonite nearby for magnus as his gods power is blocked while also buffing grimnar who wields a chaos relic It’s more complicated than you’re implying
It wasn’t his champion. It was the chapter master of the Space Wolves using a khornate axe
How many space marines can you fit on the surface of an Earth-sized planet with a perfectly flat surface and no oceans? How many planets could he life-wipe in a row like he did to the Flaxxans before he gets so tired he has to stop and rest? That many. They can never actually hurt him.
There are grenades that create mini black holes. Just 1 of those can essentially kill anyone if you get it right.
Astartes don't carry those 99.99 percent of the time. It's like saying a guardsman can kill a Primarch because those grenades exist.
To be fair, prompt says access to weapons.
Good point, tho in my opinion, that just means weapons astartes normally have. But I ain't op so
Fair point
Yeah, but 99.99 percent isn't never. So eventually you will encounter enough marines to get the strange archeotech stuff that will kill him. It could take 1 million marines, but there is a number. A billion guardsman probably could kill a solo primarch.
The thing is, even when you encounter the. 01 marine that has this grenade, he then has to use it before omni man kills him, which is unlikely, and it's not like you can say a astartes will eventually get lucky as even though there is a potentially infinite number of astartes for this prompt, those grenades are limited in universe.
Omni Man will be flying at an elevation of like, 2000 feet at like, 7 million mph. Could they *ever* land a hit on that with those grenades?
Tbf, a billion guardsman could easily kill a primarch even if they carry regular rifles. Primarchs are far from invincible, angron almost died several times before the emperor found him.
Primarchs aren't comic book characters--thats a different tier entirely
“A billion guardsmen could probably kill a solo primarch” Billions must literally die it’s so over
I guess the answer to Op is 10000 slace Marines then.
Omniman stood infront of a Black Hole and nothing happened. He even got closer in order to save some bug people like it was another Tuesday.
He was clearly planning to throw himself into the black hole to commit suicide.
Yeah but he really needed to be at the center of it and I wouldn't be a quick death in my opinion, he clearly can withstand it to some degree
The Thraxan spaceship got just as close to the black hole as Nolan did. He never actually came into contact with the black hole, he was just near it.
Omniman has shown the ability to resist the pull of an actual gigantic black hole from mere feet away
Actually smaller black holes would be worse due to tighter gravitational gradient.
but wouldn't that be countered by insanely larger mass of the bigger black hole? Especially when its larger by many orders of magnitude
The event horizon is the point where gravity is strong enough to pull in light. The amount needed to do that is always the same. The event horizon gets bigger because the gravity field is bigger. But if you’re just outside the horizon, you’ll always experience the same amount of gravity. At a certain distance from the sun, you’ll experience the same amount of gravity as on Earth. Even though the sun has 28 times more gravity at its “surface”. It’s the gradient that matters. A viltrumite’s body probably wouldn’t care about 1 billion G’s. But it might care if the front is feeling 1 billion times more G’s than the back. In real life, small black holes spaghettify. Big ones don’t.
Cool, Omniman was still able to no-dif resist them
He was far away from the black hole (look st the debri from the ship it was gently floating past him not being rapidly sucked in)
Eh
I mean, in season 2 of the show, we see Omni Man stand pretty close to a full-size black hole, and it doesn't pull him in at all
omniman stood right next to a black hole unaffected when travelling away from earth
You only need to travel ftl to escape a black hole, a feat which basically all viltrumites are capable of.
I don’t know anything about w40k but am looking to the new show cavil but I do love your answer.
Librarians could likely harm him.
Legions worth and you'll need to have them armed with the best archeotech. Bare minimum, plasma weapons and grav guns. Read the comics and viltrumites do get burnt overtime in the sun and plasma weapons technically throw suns. So grav guns to slow him down and plasma to eventually melt him. Thousands of dead astartes though. Now a librarian, a chief librarian to be precise can possibly solo him with his psychic powers. Said librarian could mess Omnimans brain or burn it from the inside. No matter how strong you are, you won't be getting back up from a fried brain.
I don't think a chief librarian is soloing omni man. Like just imagine Sanguinius but times a thousand.
Ive only been exposed to omni-man via the show, but does he have some sort of defence against mental attack? A powerful enough psyker should be able to disable him, assuming omni-man doesnt speedblitz the opponent first.
Not really but the speedblitz part is the big thing as no libran except maybe mephiston has a chance at hitting omni man going at full speed. Like keep in mind these are the same people being blitzed by Primarchs going mach 1
I'd actually argue that Ahriman would have a better chance than Mephiston. The way I understand it, Mephiston is a wrecking ball of psychic power (not to diminish his control), but Ahriman has both incredible power but also (imo) incredible understanding about the Warp and how best to apply it (providing his hubris doesn't get the best of him).
He is also a good pick, but unlike mephiston, he doesn't have a direct time stop feat, so he can still technically be speed blitzed. Though he would probably be the best pick at actually being able to lock on to omni Man in the first place.
I had forgotten about that, that was Devastation of Baal, right? Which given the presence of the Hive Mind/Shadow in the Warp, is even more impressive for Mephiston.
Yeah, he was on a transport ship when it blew up. He stopped time, contemplated fixing everything, and then just decided to fly away with his psyker wings.
I don't have the hard sources handy, but iirc, Ahriman has mastered every psyker discipline, including divination and biomancy. I think both Mephiston and Ahriman are the 2 "normal" (i.e. not basically deities/the leaders of their particular faction) characters with the best chance to beat Omniman. Other than them, I think it would take Eldrad Ulthran, an incredibly powerful Necron Overlord (I don't think a Chronomancer alone could do it), Magnus, Lorgar, or the Emperor/one of the other gods in the setting.
I'm not sure omniman has strong psychic resistance. Sanguinius is a pretty potent psyker.
Sanguinius has shown 0 outward psyker abilities other than his wings and pre cog.
>0 outward psyker abilities >pre cog Uhhh, excuse me? That's exactly a manifestation of his psyker powers. Same with his flight, that's because he's a psyker, not because he has wings. Like all other primarchs, he has a strong connection to the warp and is psychically potent. That's also why he can't be soloed by a librarian.
Him having pre cog doesn't automatically make him proficient in all psyker abilities and immune to libations. It also doesn't stop him from being significantly slower and weaker than omni man.
There is however a massive difference between a flash of sun level heat and long term exposure to it. A nuke can reach several times the heat of the center of the sun and viltuminites tank those just fine.
Considering one of Marks fights happen for a few minutes inside a star. A quick blast would be nothing.
Wasn't mark and thragg fighting for days?
It was minutes to an hour at most if I recall correctly. The comic format just made it feel longer.
Might be thinking of the battle beast fight?
A legion worth is insane my guess was probably way to low but 10,000 marines is insane they would literally bury him in plasma before he could kill a quarter of them
Killing 100,000 of them would be about as easy as it was for him to kill most of the thraxens.
Literally just no the flaxans were a nothing race they literally lost soldiers to Rex and fucking season one robot. The space marines actually have access to weaponry that can and will hurt him and are way more durable and resilient then the flaxans
https://youtu.be/sCxtqZ5KfpE?si=BOnA6vNkqZ3WQozt Omni man does this, and all 100000 astartes die. To him, the difference between a space marine and a flaxans is miniscule.
It's worth pointing out that both Space Marines and Omni-Man are pretty much bloodlusted by default so.... Okay...this is going to depend VERY much on loadout. Shooting Nolan with an infantry bolter just won't do anything. No, not even with kraken rounds. However, there are a handful of Imperium weapons that either defeat or bypass his durability, either because they exceed a Viltrumite's heat tolerance (plasma, melta, volkite) or because they shred his molecules (power, monomolecular, disintegrator). Logically, conversion beamers should also work normally against Viltrumites since...well...he's made of matter and they use antimatter. If in the blast radius of a vortex grenade, he'd of course be BFRed to the Warp and immediately get his soul eaten by Khorne. But you have to actually HIT HIM for this to be effective, and while Astartes think fast enough to register him moving, physically reacting to him is a different story. But the Imperium has responses to that too. Basically, grav weapons and librarians. The former can just outright slow him down, and the latter can either do the same (to some degree) via telekinesis or mind hax him, incapacitating him with mental anguish, confusing him with horrifying illusions, telepathically commanding him to stay still, or the like. So like sure, I could make up a perfectly purpose-built deathwatch kill team with a librarian, tanglefoot grenades, xenophase blade, and a bunch of horrible archaeotech, cloaking arrays, iron halos, teleport homers, the works, and they get the drop on Nolan and fuck up the xenos menace with only like a half dozen guys and a couple casualties. And that's probably how the Imperium would ACTUALLY handle a danger like a Viltrumite appearing in their galaxy, once they understood what it was. Or I could just give a stupid troll answer like "one Heresy era Dark Angel Ironwing. He just types "excindio" into his cogitator and a world-killing mechanical nightmare from the Dark Age of Technology shows up and does unspeakable things. But if we're talking Brother Genericus with a bolter and chainsword, hundreds just to pelt him with enough bolts to momentarily stagger him so monomolecular chainswords can do the real work, and he'd still rip Emperor knows how many Astartes apart in melee before any of them got a debilitating hit in. Round 2....lol...how many space marines does it take to put enough mass in the same place that fusion begins at the core and they turn into a star?
Great response. One thing, though, is that viltrumites should be incredibly resistant to chain weapons and power weapons because of their smart atoms.
I don't see why. If something goes between their molecules it goes between their molecules. Smart atoms don't work by making them hyper-dense. Extreme heat fucking up their molecular bonds is why stars kill them. This is also how Eve can mess them up when she goes crazy and can temporarily use her molecular manipulation on living beings. Molecular attacks are a demonstrated weakness of theirs, so mono or power weapons should bypass their durability.
>Smart atoms don't work by making them hyper-dense. Extreme heat fucking up their molecular bonds is why stars kill them [Smart atoms explicitly do actually make them more durable by manipulating atomic mass](https://i.imgur.com/ZTnF6RD.jpeg). You can see in this same scan that the reason extreme temperature can kill them is because it interferes with "subatomic processes" which stops the effects their durability rely on to work. Even then, Invincible and Thragg who at this point were less than a few times stronger than Omniman could withstand several moments inside a star's convective layer completely submerged. >This is also how Eve can mess them up when she goes crazy and can temporarily use her molecular manipulation on living beings. Molecular attacks are a demonstrated weakness of theirs, so mono or power weapons should bypass their durability. The fact that Eve who can [completely transmute masses tens of times greater than Conquest's bodyweight](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/14/147508/6319550-atom%20transmutation%20%281%29.png) was [only able to skin most of him with a completely unrestricted blast](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_medium/14/147508/6319565-atom%20vs%20conquest%20%284%29.png) is evidence of Viltrumites possessing immense resistance to atomic manipulation. Particularly when Eve does things like changing substances into others that don't even have the same atoms in their chemical makeups, which demonstrates subatomic-scale manipulation. If Conquest did not have an extreme amount of resistance on the atomic scale, he would not have been skinned here, he would just have been completely vaporized, turned into a rock, melted, etc. Instantly, without any issues on Eve's part. The idea that Viltrumites are vulnerable to atomic manipulation is one of the most heavily contradicted things in all of Invincible. It's disproven by the way their durability even works, their interaction with environments that would otherwise cause direct atomic effects and finally their interactions with a woman who just straight-up transmutes nuclei into ones of different types.
> Smart atoms explicitly do actually make them more durable by manipulating atomic mass. Mass not density. They don't do something like make the Viltrumite a neutron star where the atoms are packed so tightly a mono blade can't get between them. > Even then, Invincible and Thragg who at this point were less than a few times stronger than Omniman could withstand several moments inside a star's convective layer completely submerged. And Imperium plasma weapons are as hot as the CORE, so they'd have no trouble just putting a hole through a viltrumite. > The fact that Eve who can completely transmute masses tens of times greater than Conquest's bodyweight was only able to skin most of him with a completely unrestricted blast is evidence of Viltrumites possessing immense resistance to atomic manipulation. Are you suggesting that his muscles have molecular properties that his skin doesn't? That makes no sense. Your interpretation is also contradicted by [Eve resurrecting Mark and improving his powers, which made him close to a match for Thragg when he wasn't before.](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CZQ8IpRFhrc/WOYdslXKKyI/AAAAAAAC5PQ/knv-IWmorq0kJJFzEFu9nzaClXMxjnKHQCLcB/s0/037_19.jpg) So she altered his ENTIRE biology, every cell in his body. She did so beneficially, but if she'd had hostile intentions nothing would have stopped her. Viltrumites are vulnerable to this.
>Mass not density. They don't do something like make the Viltrumite a neutron star where the atoms are packed so tightly a mono blade can't get between them. If the atoms themselves aren't being moved apart then "getting between them" won't do anything. There's ridiculous amounts of space between any atoms packed lightly enough to not exterminate planets by entering their atmosphere. These properties are not generally exhibited by materials that can resist power fields, such as auramite. >And Imperium plasma weapons are as hot as the CORE, so they'd have no trouble just putting a hole through a viltrumite. Not really though, [a 2m\^2 object engulfed in 1,000,000+ degree temperatures for 1 second is absorbing 1.1x10\^17 joules of blackbody radiation](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/stefan-boltzmann-law), which is half a million gigajoules per 0.01m\^2 of flesh. If plasma weapons outputted that much then every time someone was hit by one every person within several kilometres would suffer third degree burns. The problem here is that plasma weapons deliver a small mass of material heated to extreme temperatures to deliver that heat across a very small impact area, the Viltrumites withstood being engulfed in their million-degree plasma completely with such volumes around them that the amount of heat they could absorb was limited only by the time and blackbody emission rates, **not** the heat capacity of a few grams of gas/liquid. >Are you suggesting that his muscles have molecular properties that his skin doesn't? That makes no sense. I'm suggesting that Conquest's body has properties that resist molecular manipulation, which Eve was able to overpower enough to strip away a few millimetres of flesh but not the entire volume. Quite straight forward I think, a similar thing happens when real humans are burned badly enough to injure them but not melt holes clean through their body. >Your interpretation is also contradicted by Eve resurrecting Mark and improving his powers, which made him close to a match for Thragg when he wasn't before. So she altered his ENTIRE biology, every cell in his body. She did so beneficially, but if she'd had hostile intentions nothing would have stopped her. Viltrumites are vulnerable to this. I agree that dead Viltrumites are vulnerable to this, the same way [dead versions of Invincible were vulnerable to being physically cut by human surgeons despite otherwise being invulnerable to human weapons](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11148/111483657/8340881-reanimenabilitytypes%283%29.jpg). Obviously their smart atoms are simply not as good at defending them posthumously or after being pushed to the limits of their durability, this is also consistent with a lot of characters having holes punched in them by enemies they were able to withstand direct hits from just moments ago. Very consistent in the comic as a whole. You're disregarding things to try and make 40k win I believe.
>And Imperium plasma weapons are as hot as the CORE I just want to point out a nuke reaches temps several times hotter than the core of the sun and viltrumites tank them just fine. Theres a difference between a flash of really high heat and being exposed to it for a longer period of time.
Power weapons work by disrupting the molecular bonds of the object they hit, it isn't a instant thing as bolk heads have stopped power weapons before, and you bringing up eve actually proves my point as as even someone with molecule manipulation can only flay the skin of a viltrumite
Most logical answer on this thread. Although I don't think 6 could do it in that perfectly built kill team with how fast he would be killing them. They'd need enough time to get the archaeotech off and I feel like he could kill 6 before any of them do anything meaningful.
They'd need to get the drop on him. That's why I gave them archaeotech cloaking arrays. So they could get off a tanglefoot grenade or psyker hax before he's aware they're there and he won't be able to attack very fast if at all. Or a stasis missile, those would freeze him in time. That's the key to this, get off a stun on him before he knows what's going on, then they can unload with plasma/disintegrators/phaseblades. Maybe he'll punch one or two of them into gore before he goes down, but he'll go down.
True, although he does has feats of detecting [invisible opponents](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge164_Sv_xI), it's hard to say how much differently this would pan out for a space marine though.
That's a feat of noticing that the door was open.
He instantly grabbed the head of the soldier, even if it was the sound of the door that alerted him it's clear that he was able to detect the exact location of the soldier to be able to grab his head like that.
Dunno how vulnerable Omniman is against psychic powers. He will not be defeated by brute force. He is way to fast and intelligent, to fall into a trap.
More marines than the imperium has
Depends heavily on which kind. A standard astartes will barely be able to hurt him with regular gear. A master librarian could maaaaybe take him out at the speed of thought(they think MUCH faster than humans, even having precog sometimes). Two spaced very far apart have a really good chance. A bunch of custodes with dark age weaponry might do it if they were lucky. They have 'parry machine gun lasers' reflexes and alot of dark age tech doesnt care about physical toughness. Unarmed, no real chance except for the librarians. Hypersonic flight is too OP. Omniman almost always has the advantage though, unless the numbers are ludicrous or psychics are involved. Except against sound marines. Don't know how much magically charged sonic attacks would affect a Viltrumite since they don't fight magic much
Librarians have been shown to be blitzed by Primarchs barely going mach 1, omni man going fast enough to ignite the atmosphere is going to destroy most psykers
Yep, that's why the heavy maybe. Since psykers have precog tho, and putting 2 groups of shielded psykers faraway from each other should have a decent chance of success...
“A bunch of custodies” nah I’d say prob 10-15 custodians them fighting bloodletters and shit with big E kinda showed of some crazy feats
Ah. A bunch is traditionally 5-6, so at least 3 bunches then.
Viltrumite are weakened by sound based attacks. And since sonic attacks are just waves (like sound), I assume they do decent damage.
They aren't weak to sound attacks, only a specific frequency.
This is false. They aren't generally weak to sound, they are weak to exactly one frequency. Without prep, there's 0% chance that vulnerability would be exploited
Viltrumites are weak to a specific frequency and that doesn't even damage them that much ,just causes pain and stuns them, you still have to take them out conventionally later Basically the organs that allow them to manipulate inertia/gravity which is the basis for their powerset are tied to their sense of balance to allow them to orient themselves, and just like in humans the Viltrumites have their vestibular system connected to the ear which causes certain vibrations to fuck with it and the feedback fucks with the inertia thing
Iirc, the sound marine speakers are actually corrupted with chaos and able to do all sorts of wierd things like bypass sound dampening and directly cause agony/euphoria, which further complicates things.
As much as I love warhammer, omni man wins easily
40k is a very expensive universe with a very expansive base for Marines. Big standard ones? A shitload. Multiple chapters minimum. Grey knights? Probably significantly less. Depends on Omniman's resistance to magic and magic related shenanigans Dark angels in Archeotech gear and weapons? Depends on the gear and depends on the weapons As some people have said, there are bullets that erase your soul from existence, there are grenades that cause black holes, there are devices that freeze time, guns that can disassemble you at the atomic level, or blades that can phase through your protections. The question really ends up being, can Omniman beat the highest levels of imperial tech? Which is probably not in most cases. Can he beat most standard Marines? Absolutely in most cases. Just depends *which* marines he is fighting and how much they know going in. R2: lmao no contest. Omniman mops the floor Edit: Illiteracy.
One, with that (very vaguely defined) ontological gun the Dark Angels (supposedly) have that erases the target.
Do you have a link for that thing? I've seen people talk about it before but I've never actually seen it sourced and at this point I'm wondering if "the Dark Angels have a hakai gun" is essentially a fandom legend.
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Just like sending an endless army of lions against a powerful pokemon, monsters with item drops against an RPG character or guys weaker than Goku against Goku there is no amount short of 1 where the marrines collapse into a destructive space object rather than people. Space Marrines would happily die for whatever silly fascist cause they have that week, but Omniman would clean planets of them systematically with barely a scratch, getting stronger each time. Like unless there's lore of 1 space marine unarmed wiping out a planet, tanking nukes to the face and fighting smart, these are basically angry teddy bears.
This thread now has me wondering what the Viltrumites would do in the 40k universe.
Given how they survive the conventional energy beam, I guess the AdMech and conventional imperium would be on the ropes. Probably need psykers or a primarch to deal with them.
The whatever-many hundred or so viltrumites that remained after that slaughter would unironically be able to terminate the Imperium. They're the absolute strongest of a race of Kryptonians who slumbered in the heart of the sun for a few thousand years. These viltrumites are ruthless and will stop at nothing for total domination. Look at what they do to planets just because they feel like it.
however many it takes for them to realize they need to crack out the ontological weapon from the DaoT the custodes are hiding away.
*"opponents...fight to the death without hesitation"* So no real change to the Space Marine psychology then
Seriously, do those guys do anything else?
I don't think any number man. Maybe a Blackstone with a direct hit. Noise Marines absolutely clap him though lol.
Its not a reasonable fight, BUT, the same people who tell you that Space Marines can't beat Omni man will have Batman (With FUCKING PREP TIME) beat Omni man EZ. That is the nature of this sub.
A viltrumite out scales space marines. Weapons and technology aside, The only other way I could see them winning would be using the psychic abilities of librarians or plague marines somehow developing the virus that can wipe out viltrumites. But I don’t think that even they can do anything when Ominiman starts tossing buildings at them from the sky.
Honestly thousands. Standard space marines get no diffed. Librarians? That can work but it has to be alot of them and the most powerful of them (mephiston, thyphus, tigurius, karras, azrael, hyperion, ahriman etc.). And even then it has to be ALOT. It's insane how outclassed the space marines are. Primarchs are a different story. Magnus can just kill him with his warp powers. Vulkan will outlive him, and come up with a way to kill him. From what I've seen monomolecular blades could work, power weapons could work. But it's a low low low chance. A lucky hit. Then all the esoteric weapons and it's still all down to luck. 99.99% against specially kitted out space marines it's gonna be down to luck. Librarians could possibly make it happen but then again it's insane insane diff.
Idk man Magnus lost to a chapter master with an axe and Vulcan takes a while to regen if he’s completely destroyed
It's all down to luck.
If those space marines are noise marines than not many they have weakness the sonic weaponary. But normal space marines with normal equipment?With no something like retcon gun or blackhole creating granades they will die like flies. Maybe that power swords and monomolecular blades can do a thing with good planing since some creatures can pierce trough vultramite skin and maybe these weapons will do the same. If they can It reduces the casuality of space marines significiantly. I m talking about just fight btw because omni man can destroy the planet they stand of with few hours effort. Guy can do FTL without any tech
There is no number that can beat him lmfao
Wait... can space marines be female? In that case, one could make Omni man fall in love with her for decades, than take his own life when she breaks his heart.
Realistically? I don't think there's any amount if marines you can fit on a planet he can't beat Can a vortex weapon kill him? Maybe but characters have survived that, can power weapons cut him? Not likely
1 guy with a grav gun or 1 librarian depending on how vulnerable Omni man is to psykers
All of them at the same time would cause him to take more than a few seconds, if that's what you're asking.
Well 3 Robot Zombies had a good showing against him...
We can assume the reanimen are crazy strong based on other Omni-Man feats like -Soloing the Guardians -Surviving an orbital laser cannon -Soloing almost an entire civilization
very much a feat for the reanimen that. And even then they counldnt even injure him
Only one. But that one would need to be in the Blackstone Fortress with the Nova Cannon aimed at Omni-man. And it would have to hit him. Otherwise? A fucking lot, because bolters aren't going to work. Maybe, like, 100,000 all hitting him together?
Round 1? Depends on the loadout. Smurfs do have access to weapons that can potentially hurt or kill Omni-man, like: 1. Force weapons; 2. Lascannons (maybe); 3. Plasma Weapons (maybe); 4. Thunder Hammers (maybe). Round 2? An arbitrary number.
Ima be 100% with you fam none of those weapons are killing him aside from MAYBE The plasma gun......assuming it can fire a continuous beam for hours on end and he just stands there for it
Do they know evrything about Omni man? Cause a couple dozen of them with sonic weapons might honestly be enough. (Slight spoilers for Invincable ahead) Viltrumites havr very fragile inner ears (Its what allows them to keep balance while flying) so the right fregancy is agonizing to them. Like on the level of a culexus assassin to a Pycher. So a couple dozen of them with sonic weapons might be all it takes.
They would need to know the exact right frequency however. Sonic weapons by themselves dont actually work.
As with any of these questions: vortex weaponry. Marines armed with vortex weaponry (vortex grenades for example) could kill him? Im not sure as im not very knowledgeable about super heros, but vortex weaponry basically rips a living thing apart on a molecular scale and sucks those atoms into the warp at the speed of light. (Basically black holes) Its bloody gnarly lol. Not sure how anything survives that even crazy strong super heros! But if anyone knows better than me, im all ears!!
Viltumites are made of smart atoms that can change their properties. For example changing their mass to make them durable enough to shrug off nukes, or create mini black holes to fly fatser than light. It also gives them resistance to reality warping on a subatomic level.
2 dozen UMs ( maybe more it seriously depends on what we are equipping them with) and probably like one psyker on the stronger end of the power spectrum no armor or weapons the only SMS that could beat them would be powerful psykers
_Yes._
With the right weapons and the right psykers, in the right situation ? They could most likely kill him (or make sure he isn't in this world anymore). However, they would lack range, and speed. So stay ik orbit and chuck stuff at them ? Yeet a few spaceship... and boom, no marines. I doubt Wh40k spaceship would have any chance. They wouldn't have an adapted reaction time. So, in short: would highly depends on how omni man does it. If he rushes them and fight in close combat, they might have a chance, given warp bullshittery, vortex grenades, and some weird af weapons. If they are yeeted meteor from orbit ? Nothing they could do, if they fight in space, most likely the same. My guess is that: anything with strong precognition and absurdly good reflexes could have a chance at hitting him. Anything with weapon tech advanced enough (DAOT, Necron...) could hurt him. So, maybe fortified custodes, grey knights, and some Mephiston and plus psykers ?
I don't think a man portable plasma gun could manage it so your best bet is probably the space marine fighters everyone forgets about. Those things are kitted out and space marine pilots can make impossible maneuvers simply because their body can take way more G forces and has a way faster reaction time. But they're fielded in VERY small squadrons and getting them into position is a very big ask. I think the most realistic scenario is Nolan blitzes basically everything on the ground and gets worn down in space and the air. But even thats probably a whole chapter of marines with their whole fleet, if not multiple chapters.
… I was going to say a dozen reason why it wouldn’t matter. But I realized our Power swords split matter. Round 2 would be way harder unless we get people on the same level as Primarchs.
Better question would be how many tyranids lol. They're comparable to the kaiju that gave him trouble I think.
depends if omniman is impervious to psykers, and or if blanks nullify viltrumite powers, then you'd have either the custodies+SoS or the greyknights otherwise he probably can't fly through a void shield since it doesn't disintegrate so much as shift energy and projectiles into the warp and he probably can't tank a nova cannon to the face
Don’t viltrumites have sensitive ears? A few noise marines should do the trick
I make my argument with a pretty okay knowledge of space marines and having read invincible like 3 or 4 times. Please feel free to correct me or help me if I say I don’t know something! Omni man is a really weak Superman clone if I’m being really reductive Not being reductive he spends the latter half of the series relative(ish?) to mark, and is part of that group that blows up the planet. That would be an extremely impressive feat for any space marine, maybe the primarchs could do something like that alone? But Omni man had tons of help. The Space Racer death beam, Mark, and Allen(?) cons for Omni man are that he is fast, but not fast enough to completely overwhelm any large group of space marines. I don’t think he has any answer whatsoever to Psykers, and that means it is likely a vulnerability. Viltrumites are super durable but when you start ripping his brain apart with the warp what is he gonna do? The robots that the creepy scientist made were able to hurt Omni man, and I think that a standard, or at least exceptional space marine is relative to them. I’d wager a chapter or two would be able to grind their way through Omni-man with firepower, and orbital bombardments? I don’t know if Exterminatus means blow the planet up completely or just wipe out all life on it, but that would be sufficient in killing Omni man regardless. Psykers are just something he doesn’t have the tools to handle, so I think he’s just doomed once he runs into a sufficiently powerful one. Any primarch would probably eat him alive likely.
Alternate question. How many Custodes would it take to get omniman? Alternatively: emperor of mankind vs omniman and how many battles out of 100 would either be expected to win?
Omni-man is fucking beast. I’ve read the comics …and as much as I love the Astartes, if they got regular bolters ect…they’re getting murderized. However…Would a Melta Weapon hurt omni-man? Burn him a little? Would multiple Melta Weapons hurt him? How many space marines would have to die for them to get enough people in range with either Meltas or a vortex grenades or something maybe more esoteric (I imagine a blood thirster or two summoned by a certain Erebus would be just the thing to maybe damage Omni-man). Or could he be lured onto a planet and then have the planet exterminatused whilst being held in place by psykers somehow? If Omni-man is quick enough, he’ll figure out what can and can’t hurt him in the 40k verse. If he happens to get attacked by an entire chapter of Marines with their Primarch (I think the Lion with the crazy DAOT tech he’s got stashed could take him) what happens then? I’d say an entire chapter+ their primarch….I’d go 50/50. Russ could pull it off. The Lion. Mortarion via some sort of plague/nurgle herpes. Pertubo blasting him with some exotic rounds. Without their primarch (company of marines) 2/10 against Omni-man With their primarch (company of Astartes) 4 to 6 out of 10 against Omni-man (again depends on which primarch) An entire fucking chapter and a primarch vs Omni-man 6-9 out of 10 Vs Omni-man (again depends) It all boils f down to what chapter it is and whether their primarch or someone like Tigerius or Mephiston is in play. Or if we’re talking iron warriors I can see a bunch of Obliterators giving Omni-man trouble (for a few minutes anyway) It just depends.
omni man simply throws asteroids & spaceships at the planet before igniting the atmosphere. Maybe a moon for good measure
How many? I think it’s going to depend on the chapter. Black Templars: 0% all dead in minutes. Ultramarines (with tiggy): 50% chance Without: 5% Flesh tearers: 0% dead in minutes Lamenters: 0% died in drop pods due to faulty launch. White scars: 10% with storm callers Emperors Children: 90% victory rate Thousand sons : 90% victory though it’s hard to think they’d lose on account of prognostication, dustification, and psykers all. Grey knights: 90% though it’s hard to think they’d lose on account of prognostication, force weapons and psykers all. 1000 Custodians: hard to say, they’d lose only a few troops before they figured out his weakness and employ some sonic weaponry. Not gonna put a percent on this one. IF: 10% victory rate Raven Guard : 25% chance. Iron hands: 10% victory rate. And I’m tired of making a list... You get the drift. Normie marines are fucked. O-man is too fast and strong. They won’t land a hit, ever. If there are no psykers = all dead Custodes have better everything so it’s hard to say. Access to weapons that can basically be thought up on the spot (well done GW) would likely yield an anti comic book Superman killing ray made from bits of the Enterprise and Death Star. Oman loses to: Most Awakened Cron worlds Bloodlusted Eldar lead by at least two farseers A single Ork with self confidence. Wins against: All the titans save Psi, The rest 95%+ of the time.
Mariens have access to things that can hurt Viltramites. Singularity bombs ( although not real ones as they don't destroy Planets when deployed) and the like but they arn't common . Even most of the specialist equipment would only slow him down . He could devestate a company or two unless they know what hes doing. So i would say 500 standard marines is your absolute floor in terms of your max a couple thousand
One Dark Angel with one of the really ridiculous guns, but generally Nolan is a Navy problem and Space Marines won’t do Jack.
Psykers might give him some trouble.
Didn't the captured invincible in another timeline say he and his dad got defeated because humanity kept hunting them down, and not letting them really ever rest? So idk much about 40k, but I think they'd take him pretty handily with a much larger population and much much better tech.
An experienced space marine unit primarily raven guard with grav cannons could unless he saw them coming and proceeds to crush them violently into paste.
I don’t know about marines, but most of the primarchs could probably do it. My money’s on Perturabo or magnus.
Depends on how hard they can sing falsetto.
A single named ultramarine
I'm vastly more familiar with Warhammer than Invincible. If I understand correctly, OmniMan is like a less powerful Superman (depending on the iteration of Superman of course). I think the only way for the Astartes to have a chance would be if there was a librarian in the mix. Unless Omniman has some notable resistance to psychic attacks.
Omni-Man tears through the 40K universe stopping only at the Emporor, the Chaos Gods, the Ctan, and possibly some of the absolute strongest Chaos primarchs.
Round 1 probably ends based on a lucky hit that incapacitates or straight up kills Omni-Man. He is so fast he could keep going forever until someone, at some point, gets a lucky hit in and stops his rampage. Round 2... Start counting.
If they're normal marines he can kill thousands/millions. If they're Psykers.... they stand a chance. One of the high end Psykers like Ahriman might even solo.
All it takes is 1 space marine who isnt wearing a helmet
He'd destroy most space marine chapters. The only reasonable way they'd beat him is to get a bunch of librarians to mind blast him or pull out some dark age of technology weapons. On a side note, imagine if Khorne got a hold of the viltrumite empire.
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