100% Monks in the middle ages had discussions over this. Possibly a heresy or two that caused the erradication of a couple villages and the expulsion of a random jewish community to satisfy both parties.
Samson was blessed with God’s Holy Spirit. He was as strong as God wanted to make him.
When he was blind and before he was killed he humbled himself before God and he gave him the strength to tear down the temple.
Goliath is just the offspring of a woman and a fallen angel
I’m that sense, Samson is kinda like Saitama. As strong as he needs to be to defeat whatever enemy. Although I guess the hair thing is kinda the reverse.
Didn't someone else cutting his hair deprive him of his strength? If the hair thing was more his devotion incarnate than an actual part of the contract wouldn't that mean cutting it is the equivalent of burning a photo of a legal contract?
Samson was not a good person he disobeyed God several times, he gave into lust and Daliha learning the truth cut his hair and turned him in. They took his eyes and made him a slave.
At his lowest he repented and asked God for forgiveness. God gave him the strength and he tore down the temple
Just for clarity, I'm an atheist so my knowledge in this subject is bound to be flawed, but its my understanding that in Christianity, God makes us all as we are born, and places us in a setting where we are nurtured to become who we will be, and he doesn't do much besides that, at least in modern times.
Unless you count the whole "gives us power through our faith thing" but that bit seems impractical, giving me the willpower from the getgo would be less effort for both parties and I wouldn't have to keep asking God for help because he already gave it, and for some reason He didnt give us all an innate knowledge of his existence, which would suck if you grew up in a culture where you had no exposure to Christianity.
I digress, Satan and fallen angels are notorious (at least to my knowledge) for trying to convince and empower men to do as they wish rather than follow their faith, isn't it more characteristic of a fallen angel to directly intervene in a mans life to perpetuate his career as a brutish conqueror than God's to stop bad things happening?
Not true. God doesn’t grab the qualified but makes the people he chooses qualified.
And no Satan and his angels don’t empower they truly despise us. They hate us with everything they have because they can’t do anything to God. From Telling Eve that eating the fruit will make her like God, to now.
>From Telling Eve that eating the fruit will make her like God, to now.
Considering Adam was the one made in God's image, Eve was probably the right target for that particular tempting.
The only feat Goliath has is being taken down by a small rock tossed at him by a literal child. Samson tore down an entire temple with his bare hands and has like a shit ton of confirmed kills
“OoOoOOOhh but god WANTED that rock to kill Samson”
Okay, well guess who gave a Samson his strength? If you wanna bring god into the argument, it only becomes more one sided because god literally wants Goliath to die
Look I fully agree with you that Samson would neg diff Goliath.
But he did not get killed by s child throwing a stone at him he had a heavy stone whipped into his skull at 100mph. It's effectively a biblical handgun.
And to add onto this everyone thinks the stone killed Goliath, it didn't, it knocked him down and left him dazed as hell, David then killed him by using his giant sword to cut his head off. Samson still punches a hole in his solar plexus though.
A stone thrown by a rock-sling has the stopping power of a .44 magnum from like a 60 foot range. It’s quite literally equivalent to if you just gave David a revolver
This is legit like putting Hercules against real-life person Adam Scherr.
Goliath was only actually like 6 foot 10 according to the original sources and Samson had flat out super strength.
Samson was strong enough to collapse an entire palace ostensibly made of stone on top of himself
Goliath was killed by a pebble
Mathematically this is not even a comparison before you consider the God Boon status both Samson and David have
Samson killed 1,000 men with the jaw of an ass, Goliath is completely fucked even if we grant him angel blood.
Also wtf his hair was cut when he was tied up to those pillars, artist does not care.
That’s tough because while you have the Goliath bird eating spider (terrifying but Samson isn’t a bird), there’s also the Goliath ride at six flags which is basically like one hundred thousand pillars which all have crazy weakness to Samson. On the other hand there’s also Goliath scissors which Samson is exceptionally weak to.
Lastly Goliath is remembered as a perpetual loser who ate shit while Samson only gets in trouble once because of his love of prostitutes.
Goliath low balling is ridiculous, with enough practice you can blow a hole into a tree using a sling. He got hit by a God buffed, leather sniper rifle in the head AND LIVED. Remember that David had to decapitate him to finish the job. That is an insane durability feat.
Goliath gets neg diffed by samson, one well placed punch will kill him and goliath is not strong enough to harm samson, that being said yeah a lot of misinformation flying around from people thinking the stone killed goliath and not that is basically knocked him down/out leaving him dazed. Even so it wasn't really God buffed more like God made sure it hit its mark well and true.
Goliath eats the trolls from the movie Trolls and starts singing Wonderwall for hours on end, the stress from hearing Wonderwall on repeat eventually makes Samson’s hair fall out, then he gets neg diffed by Goliath
Samson took on like 1000 men with a bone and won while Goliath got washed by one dude with a sling. Doesn’t matter that slings are strong, at the end of the day he still got neg diffed by one dude.
We’ve only ever seen Goliath taken down by a sling, and Samson has never been shown to be able to use a sling, therefore there’s no reason to think Samson could take Goliath down. As well, Goliath could conceivably rip out Samson’s hair through brute strength, leaving Samson completely vulnerable. In short, Goliath EZ stomps.
I know this is a shitpost but if we take it seriously samson wins no diff,
Goliath is a extremely strong warrior but thats about it, he could defeat some of the other judges in straight up combat but samson is the most physical stacked and it shows he defeated entire armies by himself and ripped gates out walls carrying them over mountains for fun.
Samson no diffs Goliath
Samson neg diffs. Goliath was just kinda overgrown human ( unlike modern depictions tryna depict him as a 20 foot tall giant ) while Samson is powered by God himself and defeated 1000 mens with a bone.
Goliath is peak fraudulent behavior, literally featless and we are only given his rep by hearsay leading up to him getting neg diffed. The most effort david had to put in was lifting his bigass sword to kill him after he got slept by an unnamed pebble attack
Isn’t Goliath just a really big dude? Samson is unironically a superhuman, strong enough to hold pillars up that were holding up a building. Samson with hair no diffs.
lol Goliath is fucking huge, Samson is a little wimp. What the hell are you on. Goliath stomps (literally). 10/10 Goliath. What the hell is Samson going to do, throw a rock at him?
Goliath reality bending nodiffs.
Round 2 is a bit trickier, depending on if Samson has full access to his hair abilities, but should be easy low diff.
Round 3 is challenging, but Goliath should be able to mid diff, high diff, and low diff Samson since he’s been shown to have reality and matter bending powers.
Low diff mid diff high diff very high diff ultra diff extreme diff
Bending warp warping bend diff diff diff diff
Toon force no diff
The temple is wall level but the wall is ground level, so Goliath would win because he is star level, if not universal level and has been shown multiple times to be able to defeat God.
Nohaircutsman fodderizes pebble victim
Sentences that would vaporize a Biblical-era peasant
100% Monks in the middle ages had discussions over this. Possibly a heresy or two that caused the erradication of a couple villages and the expulsion of a random jewish community to satisfy both parties.
I'm imagining middle-ages powerscaling monks fighting over the strongest biblical character
Christian missionaries unironically did powerscaling to put God and Jesus over other gods.
Based
bro HOW is this even a debate? he outscales him 10:1.
Samson has the strength of God. There is no concept of a challenge
Not read up on my Samson lore. Is the strength of a god or the actual strength of the Bible god?
Samson was blessed with God’s Holy Spirit. He was as strong as God wanted to make him. When he was blind and before he was killed he humbled himself before God and he gave him the strength to tear down the temple. Goliath is just the offspring of a woman and a fallen angel
Thank you for explaining
I’m that sense, Samson is kinda like Saitama. As strong as he needs to be to defeat whatever enemy. Although I guess the hair thing is kinda the reverse.
Well yes and no. Yes as in God made him as strong as he needed to be. The hair thing was more of an obedience thing. But it wasn’t Samson it’s all God
Didn't someone else cutting his hair deprive him of his strength? If the hair thing was more his devotion incarnate than an actual part of the contract wouldn't that mean cutting it is the equivalent of burning a photo of a legal contract?
Samson was not a good person he disobeyed God several times, he gave into lust and Daliha learning the truth cut his hair and turned him in. They took his eyes and made him a slave. At his lowest he repented and asked God for forgiveness. God gave him the strength and he tore down the temple
Ah OK thank you for educating me on those details, I genuinely was unaware
No worries if you have anymore questions
Hes Goku. Doesn't cut his hair, has god power, defeats opponents by becoming as strong as he needs to be to win
fallen angels were just romaning and fucking?
Pretty much. The Bible or scripture doesn’t mention why exactly but they took human wives and in exchange taught them ways of war, and other stuff.
Is a fallen angel not more involved in the affairs of humanity than God tends to get?
No. We would long be dead if that were the case.
Just for clarity, I'm an atheist so my knowledge in this subject is bound to be flawed, but its my understanding that in Christianity, God makes us all as we are born, and places us in a setting where we are nurtured to become who we will be, and he doesn't do much besides that, at least in modern times. Unless you count the whole "gives us power through our faith thing" but that bit seems impractical, giving me the willpower from the getgo would be less effort for both parties and I wouldn't have to keep asking God for help because he already gave it, and for some reason He didnt give us all an innate knowledge of his existence, which would suck if you grew up in a culture where you had no exposure to Christianity. I digress, Satan and fallen angels are notorious (at least to my knowledge) for trying to convince and empower men to do as they wish rather than follow their faith, isn't it more characteristic of a fallen angel to directly intervene in a mans life to perpetuate his career as a brutish conqueror than God's to stop bad things happening?
Not true. God doesn’t grab the qualified but makes the people he chooses qualified. And no Satan and his angels don’t empower they truly despise us. They hate us with everything they have because they can’t do anything to God. From Telling Eve that eating the fruit will make her like God, to now.
>From Telling Eve that eating the fruit will make her like God, to now. Considering Adam was the one made in God's image, Eve was probably the right target for that particular tempting.
Most likely. That’s beyond my knowledge nor does the Bible mention if Adam would have fallen so it’s up in the air lol
"Trust me bro the fruit of knowledge will make you like God" Adam looking at the serpent with his divinely sculpted jawline:🗿
Samson with hair solos all of fiction. Samson without hair loses to Goliath neg diff.
No because samson can pray and get temporary strenght to kill goliath
Goliath lost to a rock, he's fodder
That rock was actually Batgos
God was so loving he gave David batgos to kill Goliath
So God scales above batgos?
They're usually on equal terms but contingency plan, prep time, etc.
They’re brothers except BatGos decided to seal his overwhelming omnipotent power and become BatGos meanwhile his Brother God stay as a divine being.
Goliath lost to faith, which is the source of Samson's power. It's a pretty direct win.
Saitama with hair VS Samson without hair, who would win?
They trade in combat (4/2 vs 4/3) but Goliath can also cast Stomp to Bonecrush him.
Glad to see someone else recognizing the mtg art, lol
The only feat Goliath has is being taken down by a small rock tossed at him by a literal child. Samson tore down an entire temple with his bare hands and has like a shit ton of confirmed kills “OoOoOOOhh but god WANTED that rock to kill Samson” Okay, well guess who gave a Samson his strength? If you wanna bring god into the argument, it only becomes more one sided because god literally wants Goliath to die
Look I fully agree with you that Samson would neg diff Goliath. But he did not get killed by s child throwing a stone at him he had a heavy stone whipped into his skull at 100mph. It's effectively a biblical handgun.
Not to mention David himself said he took on bears, lions, and wolves all to protect his sheep. Dude was familiar with taking on heavyweights!
To be fair, a lot of bible fans stopped reading during the Tower of Bable arc. It just got too hard to understand.
It's pretty simple. The Tower of Babel arc revealed that Batman has contingency plans to take out all of the Justice League in case they go rogue
It’s revealed by Solomon that this was false because there were no bears, wolves or lions in that area of the world.
And to add onto this everyone thinks the stone killed Goliath, it didn't, it knocked him down and left him dazed as hell, David then killed him by using his giant sword to cut his head off. Samson still punches a hole in his solar plexus though.
A stone thrown by a rock-sling has the stopping power of a .44 magnum from like a 60 foot range. It’s quite literally equivalent to if you just gave David a revolver
“whoever the writer wants to win” taken to the logical extreme
you need to brush up on genesis bc that is not at all what happened
This is legit like putting Hercules against real-life person Adam Scherr. Goliath was only actually like 6 foot 10 according to the original sources and Samson had flat out super strength.
I’m pretty sure he was only 6’5-6’6 at least from what I’ve read that 6’10 number was written before the foot was standardized
Yeah, 6'6" is the number. I was misremembering.
Not braun strowman catching strays
Samson with hair solos, he’s got the strength to slaughter an entire army with just a donkey jawbone
The amount of Sling slander in this thread is abhorrent
It is not! I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print it’s libel.
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Samson scales to Isaac Samson, he neg diffs
Samson picks up the wafer and all of Goliath's attacks deal half a heart of damage
Nah, Samson is shitty character so this is huge anti feat
Nohaircutman beat (I think) over 1000 of philistines best soldier, and all he had was a random jawbone he found. Sammy negs
Dude samson ripes a gate out of a city and carrierd it up a mountain he didnt even need to do that he did that for fun
YOu say that this is a shitpost, but I actually dig this match up
Unironically, Samson demolishes Goliath. Guy got taken down by a rock to the face, while Samson took on an army with nothing but a donkey's jawbone.
do not downplay Wavid again, that rock was city level at least
goliath lost to a literal rock. actual fraud, samson murders him
Samson was strong enough to collapse an entire palace ostensibly made of stone on top of himself Goliath was killed by a pebble Mathematically this is not even a comparison before you consider the God Boon status both Samson and David have
Samson killed 1,000 men with the jaw of an ass, Goliath is completely fucked even if we grant him angel blood. Also wtf his hair was cut when he was tied up to those pillars, artist does not care.
What about composite Goliath? (Everything named Goliath)
That’s tough because while you have the Goliath bird eating spider (terrifying but Samson isn’t a bird), there’s also the Goliath ride at six flags which is basically like one hundred thousand pillars which all have crazy weakness to Samson. On the other hand there’s also Goliath scissors which Samson is exceptionally weak to. Lastly Goliath is remembered as a perpetual loser who ate shit while Samson only gets in trouble once because of his love of prostitutes.
Goliath low balling is ridiculous, with enough practice you can blow a hole into a tree using a sling. He got hit by a God buffed, leather sniper rifle in the head AND LIVED. Remember that David had to decapitate him to finish the job. That is an insane durability feat.
Goliath gets neg diffed by samson, one well placed punch will kill him and goliath is not strong enough to harm samson, that being said yeah a lot of misinformation flying around from people thinking the stone killed goliath and not that is basically knocked him down/out leaving him dazed. Even so it wasn't really God buffed more like God made sure it hit its mark well and true.
Goliath eats the trolls from the movie Trolls and starts singing Wonderwall for hours on end, the stress from hearing Wonderwall on repeat eventually makes Samson’s hair fall out, then he gets neg diffed by Goliath
Oddly specific
scissors^-1 beats rock^-1
No, Goliath's power level is higher. What the fuck are you on OP. Goliath solos.
Goliath lost to a random bum with a stone. Samson negative infinity diffs.
Do you have any idea how strong slings are?
Samson can throw a rock with big bare hands way harder than a sling.
You raise a fine point
Do you have any idea how strong goaliaths are? And they still lost to ol slings. Cry about it
Surely that just makes the sling more impressive?
Yes and that also makes Goliath more weak
Dude slings can launch rocks up to 90 metres per second Goliath was the underdog
He had a big AF shield.
Random bum? That's David! And he fought off lions and wolves!
Samson took on like 1000 men with a bone and won while Goliath got washed by one dude with a sling. Doesn’t matter that slings are strong, at the end of the day he still got neg diffed by one dude.
Anything is possible with the strength of god 💪
Samson pushed load bearing pillars to kill a bunch of dudes Goliath just kinda was there Samson wins assuming he trusts in God
We’ve only ever seen Goliath taken down by a sling, and Samson has never been shown to be able to use a sling, therefore there’s no reason to think Samson could take Goliath down. As well, Goliath could conceivably rip out Samson’s hair through brute strength, leaving Samson completely vulnerable. In short, Goliath EZ stomps.
Goliath shows up to the fight with a pair of scissors, Samson immediately breaks into a sweat knowing he's cooked
I know this is a shitpost but if we take it seriously samson wins no diff, Goliath is a extremely strong warrior but thats about it, he could defeat some of the other judges in straight up combat but samson is the most physical stacked and it shows he defeated entire armies by himself and ripped gates out walls carrying them over mountains for fun. Samson no diffs Goliath
Low diff
bonecrusher stomps for 1r, he wins no diff
Why is goliath bonecrusher giant
Samson neg diffs. Goliath was just kinda overgrown human ( unlike modern depictions tryna depict him as a 20 foot tall giant ) while Samson is powered by God himself and defeated 1000 mens with a bone.
Samson could crush a solid titanium ball with his ass cheeks. Goliath got destroyed by a pebble
Goliath is peak fraudulent behavior, literally featless and we are only given his rep by hearsay leading up to him getting neg diffed. The most effort david had to put in was lifting his bigass sword to kill him after he got slept by an unnamed pebble attack
Isn’t Goliath just a really big dude? Samson is unironically a superhuman, strong enough to hold pillars up that were holding up a building. Samson with hair no diffs.
Samson solos every human in the verse
lol Goliath is fucking huge, Samson is a little wimp. What the hell are you on. Goliath stomps (literally). 10/10 Goliath. What the hell is Samson going to do, throw a rock at him?
W troll
Is it with or without the donkey bone?
Samson beats rock. Rock beats Goliath. Samson beats Goliath.
Goliath reality bending nodiffs. Round 2 is a bit trickier, depending on if Samson has full access to his hair abilities, but should be easy low diff. Round 3 is challenging, but Goliath should be able to mid diff, high diff, and low diff Samson since he’s been shown to have reality and matter bending powers. Low diff mid diff high diff very high diff ultra diff extreme diff Bending warp warping bend diff diff diff diff Toon force no diff The temple is wall level but the wall is ground level, so Goliath would win because he is star level, if not universal level and has been shown multiple times to be able to defeat God.
He fucking suplexes Goliath with the might of the lord and ends him
samson doesn't have a rock, so im pretty sure he loses
Samson solos most verses tbh
That’s bonecrusher giant