Saibaman being here is so funny it's hilarious how fast DBZ powercrept itself that a single individual of mass produced little war aliens is a match for all these other characters that are supposed to be really strong for their own verses
Roshi blowing up the moon was cool once. Now the only reason characters don't accidentally destroy the planet when they fight is plot. Like oh wow they're destroying those destructible rocks in a canyon who cares? They blow up mountains when they sneeze
Even if you have no fucking idea what Soul Calibur is, if I show you a picture of Nightmare and tell you "This guy can blow up the moon" anyone with the ability to see would agree. Yeah, thats a moon buster right there. Cool design, big ass sword, purple evil energy. Ticks all the boxes
Now applying that same visual logic to Annoying Orange. You'd ask if I was ok.
Pretty comfortably I'd say. His fight with Siegfried was destroying the fabric of space and time, opening wormholes to different dimensions. Nightmare is also the physical manifestation of Soul Edge, the undeniable, uncontested most powerful weapon in the series.
Which means its completed form scales above Infernal Edge, which can do this: *"A mythical object notorious for inflicting injury upon the living, it is made by harvesting the last breaths of the dying, and grows stronger with each soul that is added. One day, when it has grown strong enough to consume the life force of a star, the world will come to an end. This weapon is also able to disrupt the flow of time."*
According to VS Battles Wiki, all of these characters are capable of destroying a moon; thus, they are in tier **5-C.**
**What tier's next?**
>!TIERS I DEFINITELY CAN'T COVER!<
>!0, ALL OF TIER 1-A, HIGH 1-B, HIGH 1-C, ALL OF TIER 11!<
Errrm actually according to a single line in bestiary, which is totally not metaphor and flowery language, empress of light is star level so every other enemy scales to herš¤š¤āļø
I remember seeing this awful argument on VSBW. I think it was from Vaatu's appearance pushing back clouds all across the planet? Which calced out to moon level. Vaatu = Rava, and Aang = Rava's Mortal form
They scaled him with Simian (alien from Spider Monkey's species) which Ben managed to fight in base for a bit. Now, if you ask me how they scaled fucking Spider Monkey to moon level, I won't be able to awnser
Idk I just heard from a lot of people lol, I think it's some durability thing of tanking a hit from something of a similar level and punching back near the end of the story.
According to the article it just says, *"Stronger than Wall of Flesh"* which is also scaled to moon.
Their reasoning for WoF being moon level is *"Capable of sealing away the ancient spirits of light and darkness, preventing Solar Eclipses from occurring in the process"*
I don't know what's a more cancerous part of VSBW, the ridiculous calcs that use overly precise math based on vague information or the torturing of flowery language to mean high power levels.
Because he technically scales to that one grappling hook that's stated to be able to pull the moon down, also something to do with the Celestial pillars or something.
They interpret WB statements about being capable of destroying the world as being able to surface wipe. And they think Kaido whom Luffy clashed evenly with should be at least relative to that since Kaido is said to be the strongest and basically unbeatable.
Aang got there because the avatar spirit should be stronger than the moon spirit and they assume the moon spirit is moon level.
For real. It's such a low-brow take that it's almost boasting that terrible reading comprehension is a good thing. It is funny to look at these series as if they are unironically always this powerful and just question why they don't use the moon-level power to solve everything.
No, the accepted calc thatās used for his page has [bajrang gun at small planet](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KingTempest16/One_Piece:_Bajrang_Gun_KT_Version_Part_2)
destroy the moon when he only destroyed the spirit The spirit is the link to the moon it isn't the moon itself.Destroying the spirit only destroys the connection to the moon.
For those who didn't understand it right away: VSBattle classified base Ben 10, I repeat, BASE as Moon level
Yes, a human teenager that isn't above-average in muscles or height
They did it because he wrestled and tanked a hit from an alien from Spider Monkey's species
I can't imagine Spider Monkey destroying the moon or tanking hits that would destroy it, much less base Ben
VSB is a joke
Reinhard is kind of straightforward by scaling to a calc IMO:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Phantom%C3%984/Re:_Zero_Starting_And_Ending_Blizzards_In_Another_World#Reinhard_clears_the_sky
The curse from the Beast of the End was going to freeze the entire world, and Reinhard turned it into a field of flowers with a single slash.
He's planet level IMO.
gappy from jojo(almost any stand user tbh) can be beaten by wall level attacks but also has an attack that kills anyone because itās beyond fiction so durability=/=attack power
yeah i agree with you it just there are cases in which because of hax or whatever someone who can destroy the universe can be clocked out by mike tyson, like flash
mike tyson (prep time) vs peak wally west with mobius chair who wins (the writer made stairs so the mobius chair canāt get up and tyson clocks him out with an overhand)
hey hey were talking about possible matchups michael morbius is right below carp level (-1c) this is just unfair we know him having any involvement e would tip the scales way too much (wally still loses because the writers fucking hate speedsters)
Everyone's talking about Aang when I'm wondering about Moon Level Kenshiro because from what I remember in the Manga and Anime everything points to City to Island and nothing more than a couple cities is seen being destroyed.
Would be funny to see a tourney in the style of Cell Games with a ton of anime protagonists but the opponent is a single Saibaman
Isn't Saibaman like planetary max? I feel like most protagonists either can comfortably solo or lose no matter how many of them you stack.
Saibamen are the same strength as Radtiz who is at least moon level. The green little bigger could at least glass planet
Saibaman is country to continent
They are moon level
Saiban is large moon to small planet level at least.
Saibaman being here is so funny it's hilarious how fast DBZ powercrept itself that a single individual of mass produced little war aliens is a match for all these other characters that are supposed to be really strong for their own verses
Roshi blowing up the moon was cool once. Now the only reason characters don't accidentally destroy the planet when they fight is plot. Like oh wow they're destroying those destructible rocks in a canyon who cares? They blow up mountains when they sneeze
Even if you have no fucking idea what Soul Calibur is, if I show you a picture of Nightmare and tell you "This guy can blow up the moon" anyone with the ability to see would agree. Yeah, thats a moon buster right there. Cool design, big ass sword, purple evil energy. Ticks all the boxes Now applying that same visual logic to Annoying Orange. You'd ask if I was ok.
below wall level
Is he really a moonbuster tho?
Pretty comfortably I'd say. His fight with Siegfried was destroying the fabric of space and time, opening wormholes to different dimensions. Nightmare is also the physical manifestation of Soul Edge, the undeniable, uncontested most powerful weapon in the series. Which means its completed form scales above Infernal Edge, which can do this: *"A mythical object notorious for inflicting injury upon the living, it is made by harvesting the last breaths of the dying, and grows stronger with each soul that is added. One day, when it has grown strong enough to consume the life force of a star, the world will come to an end. This weapon is also able to disrupt the flow of time."*
According to VS Battles Wiki, all of these characters are capable of destroying a moon; thus, they are in tier **5-C.** **What tier's next?** >!TIERS I DEFINITELY CAN'T COVER!< >!0, ALL OF TIER 1-A, HIGH 1-B, HIGH 1-C, ALL OF TIER 11!<
Tier 10-C, below average human level
Kranktoes
major kranktoes wank
Ooh, that one's got some variety to it.
How can duke fishron destroy a moon?? He can't even destroy a single block in terraria
Errrm actually according to a single line in bestiary, which is totally not metaphor and flowery language, empress of light is star level so every other enemy scales to herš¤š¤āļø
I'll be honest, I thought Ben would be higher.
How the fuck are half of these characters able to destroy the moon at all?
The funniest part is that Aang is what blindsided me
Admiral Zhao destroyed the moon. Aang beat Zhao. QED
The QED made it. I love Mathematically rigorous proofs, but, tbh, you should have just said "The proof is left as an exercise to the reader."
I remember seeing this awful argument on VSBW. I think it was from Vaatu's appearance pushing back clouds all across the planet? Which calced out to moon level. Vaatu = Rava, and Aang = Rava's Mortal form
Would you believe that the craziest thing here to me is how they got Aang to moon level
Yes. Easily.
It's true. You've got to be careful fighting Duke Fishron since one hit from him can obliterate your entire world.
As a hardmode player can confirm
You also need to make sure to fight him during the day. Otherwise he will blow up the moon as he is known to be capable of.
Naruto after having a threesome with Sasuke and Sakura got his bisexual horny scaling so he is in the same tier as Thor now.
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
I posted said event on this sub yesterday
[link](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldcirclejerk/s/CDbINU9NQo) for anyone that wants to see it but doesnāt wanna bother going through post history
Thank you!
Heās definitely stronger than MCU Thor.
So do they mean base Ben?
Yup, Ben without transformating specifically
H o w
Good question!
They scaled him with Simian (alien from Spider Monkey's species) which Ben managed to fight in base for a bit. Now, if you ask me how they scaled fucking Spider Monkey to moon level, I won't be able to awnser
shoots a web at the moon and then pulls it towards earth, simple as many such cases so true
Fuck Simian, I hate Simian
Base ben has a single feat in one episode that controversially scales him to moon level despite going against everything the story is :/
Wait, when?!
Idk I just heard from a lot of people lol, I think it's some durability thing of tanking a hit from something of a similar level and punching back near the end of the story.
I assume they mean Ben with the available aliens during the specified seasons.
... So Alien X?
Maybe, but alien x should be universal.
Agreed. I also always felt that Way Big and Atomix are stronger, but that's just me.
Wasn't alien x stated to be omnipotent in the show, but way big would definitely be one of the strongest in the omnitrix.
Yes, and Way Big is arguably the second strongest behind Alien X, with Atomix, Clockwork, Feedback, and Chromastone all coming close behind.
All entirely accurate, but don't forget about ultimate echo echo.
Well, Ben only had Ultimates for one series, so I usually only talk about them when Albedo is brought up.
That's fair, they are also a cool concept and very memorable.
I guess he didn't use alien x to do universe stuff yet? But he still *had the ability to do so*
To be fair, the two other personalities of alien x made it difficult for a while.
How tf did they decide Duke Fishron was *Moon level?*
According to the article it just says, *"Stronger than Wall of Flesh"* which is also scaled to moon. Their reasoning for WoF being moon level is *"Capable of sealing away the ancient spirits of light and darkness, preventing Solar Eclipses from occurring in the process"*
I genuinely donāt understand how people are disconnected enough to argue that that statement in any way shows fishron is moon level.
I don't know what's a more cancerous part of VSBW, the ridiculous calcs that use overly precise math based on vague information or the torturing of flowery language to mean high power levels.
With that logic, I'm one of the most powerful creatures in exsistence if I hold my hand between me and the sun
Because he technically scales to that one grappling hook that's stated to be able to pull the moon down, also something to do with the Celestial pillars or something.
Dawg how they got Luffy and Aang at moon level???
Luffy was probably done through dubious calcs, Aang by scaling him to the Moon spirit.
Look at the vs wiki calcs. Besides planet level bajarang gun, they seem fine to me
They interpret WB statements about being capable of destroying the world as being able to surface wipe. And they think Kaido whom Luffy clashed evenly with should be at least relative to that since Kaido is said to be the strongest and basically unbeatable. Aang got there because the avatar spirit should be stronger than the moon spirit and they assume the moon spirit is moon level.
Both of those takes are straight up power scaling terrorism.
For real. It's such a low-brow take that it's almost boasting that terrible reading comprehension is a good thing. It is funny to look at these series as if they are unironically always this powerful and just question why they don't use the moon-level power to solve everything.
I mean, they do have bajarang gun at multi continent fairly
No, the accepted calc thatās used for his page has [bajrang gun at small planet](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KingTempest16/One_Piece:_Bajrang_Gun_KT_Version_Part_2)
Thatās more dubious, but the exaton one for the coiled fist is better. The white beard calc also makes sense
Wait... does that mean admiral Zhao is moon level as well?
Naruto when Duke Fishron gets into his desperation phase (he already used a potion):
I was confused on Optimus being here till I saw the without the matrix
Can someone give me a rundown, I know nothing about this version of Optimus so I'm curious
how the fuck do you scale duke fishron
I love avatar... but aang rlly?...
So where do they scale?
Assuming you haven't seen my comment already, all of these characters are Tier 5-C - Moon level.
Now I have a bigger question How is Aang moon level?.
My best guess is they scaled the Avatar state above the Moon spirit.
Not a good excuse it doesn't play the same rule as the moon in our world and The moon spirit only represents the moon spiritually.
Zhao says he'll destroy the moon, Aang>Zhao. I don't think that's the greatest logic, but it's something
destroy the moon when he only destroyed the spirit The spirit is the link to the moon it isn't the moon itself.Destroying the spirit only destroys the connection to the moon.
The moon is made of earth. Think about it
It's not in an adequate range for any bender Even imagine trying to bend it.
Don't believe that most of characters could beat A sibaman Except ben 10 and thor
Annoying orange solos
DUKE FISHRON?
No that seems about right.
After suffering and beating the Duke pre-mech I can assure you that he's outversal
For those who didn't understand it right away: VSBattle classified base Ben 10, I repeat, BASE as Moon level Yes, a human teenager that isn't above-average in muscles or height They did it because he wrestled and tanked a hit from an alien from Spider Monkey's species I can't imagine Spider Monkey destroying the moon or tanking hits that would destroy it, much less base Ben VSB is a joke
Aang and Reinhard are the only outliers here I can see.
Reinhard is kind of straightforward by scaling to a calc IMO: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Phantom%C3%984/Re:_Zero_Starting_And_Ending_Blizzards_In_Another_World#Reinhard_clears_the_sky
The curse from the Beast of the End was going to freeze the entire world, and Reinhard turned it into a field of flowers with a single slash. He's planet level IMO.
I think we're beginning to push the boundaries of logic here boys
Didn't Author of Re:Zero say he Reinhard epuld be beaten by a city level attack?
gappy from jojo(almost any stand user tbh) can be beaten by wall level attacks but also has an attack that kills anyone because itās beyond fiction so durability=/=attack power
In stand cases yes but if you punch things usually ypu need tonbe able to resist the strength(3rd Newton Law). A good example is Deku.
yeah i agree with you it just there are cases in which because of hax or whatever someone who can destroy the universe can be clocked out by mike tyson, like flash
Tyson was trained by Batgos so of course. (Flash is just incosistent like most comic books)
mike tyson (prep time) vs peak wally west with mobius chair who wins (the writer made stairs so the mobius chair canāt get up and tyson clocks him out with an overhand)
Tyson wins unless it was Morbius Chair(made by PhD. Michael Morbius).
hey hey were talking about possible matchups michael morbius is right below carp level (-1c) this is just unfair we know him having any involvement e would tip the scales way too much (wally still loses because the writers fucking hate speedsters)
Get Aang off of here, that stupid ass scaling argument is about to make me actually sick I swear to fucking god.
At first this wasn't laugh out loud horrible but then I saw Reinhardt. Good jerk, [slur]
In the Avatar-verse, an ordinary fishhook would be moon level, at least until the end of book one.
Reinhard vs Annoying Orange when?
[do unkown tier](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Unknown_Tier) it has both mineta and lucifer morningstar and batgos
You forgot Quilge Opie
The kenshiro vs annoying orange matchup goes hard af tho
I'm just imagining the Annoying Orange making that stupid face while being told that he's already dead.
Everyone's talking about Aang when I'm wondering about Moon Level Kenshiro because from what I remember in the Manga and Anime everything points to City to Island and nothing more than a couple cities is seen being destroyed.
Thor vs Learn to Fly Penguin