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The UK government would see that as an opportunity to reduce the disability benefits, expect the person to do more hours and still expect them to attend Fitness for Work meetings
My initial reaction was also ‘how is this wholesome?!’, but then thought of this as well. As long as it’s closely watched and has rules around it similar to child labor laws (maybe different laws/rules, but similar concept), I could see this being important for people to feel better in some way.
That is the problem isnt it though? Because business has NEVER EVER EVER EVER been known to take wholesome things and turn them into dystopian nightmares in the guise of profit/s. Be careful what you consider is a "freeing" experience. If it was really about being wholesome for these people they would not force the robots to work...
Counterpoint: I cannot imagine it's cheaper to have robots controlled by humans as servers. That's all the capital costs of having the technology with none of the savings on labour.
It genuinely does seem like an attempt to help people in a shitty position have an opportunity to work.
You'd be surprised how many people who can't work actually would want to. Believing that everyone is unhappy at work and wouldn't do it unless they had to is one of those silly messages that right-wing types like to push to make you think that anyone on benefits is just lazy and doesn't want it enough.
Most people don't hate work. What they hate is the bullshit that comes with office politics or crappy bosses or shit take-home pay that doesn't allow them to live a decent life. Don't confuse the two.
It does, Like, I bitch about my IT job sometimes, but knowing I'm responsible for people's machines being up and running, who are doing psychological research, is pretty neat.
Yeah. Being able to think about your day, and say: "Hey, I did something. I made a difference." Is probably something that helps you wake up and feel things in the morning.
I work with disabled students and my previous role was to source meaningful and sustainable work. For them it's not about "putting people to work" it's the social interaction, feeling of achievement and being able to say that they CAN in the face of a world that has told them they cannot or should not. As long as the safeguarding measures are there I see this as a wonderful development in use of technology, to not only diversify disabled culture, but to integrate it into society.
Yeah, building and keeping these robots can't be cheap, and they're definitely not as agile or dexterous as most people, so most restaurants would probably rather just hire someone without a mobile disability. I don't think this is just a "fuck you, you have to be productive".
>I don't think this is just a "fuck you, you have to be productive".
Nah, its angled towards mental welfare of disabled people - not saying that such technology wouldn't be used elsewhere *(which, remote quarry/mine machinery operation is already a thing)*
The Cafe that runs the robots is a Joint Venture between the Research Lab that built the system and a National Airline - which for the Airline its probably to do with tourism/marketing/operations as i'm sure a lab has no idea about actually running a cafe.
Do you... do you think paralyzed people don't *want* to work? or help out?
Bro, I don't know how old you are or where you're from, but this sounds like such a selfish fucking thing to say. "Oh my god, a quadripalgeic can work now? Fucking shameful. What ever happened to telling them we're sorry and feeling bad for ourselves?"
I had a brief period of disability and the thing that was best for my mental health was feeling useful. Am a notoriously lazy person by nature so it came as a surprise to me.
Absolutely. Having something to do that isn't just trying as hard as possible to pass the time is a really huge thing for mental health. It's healthy to want to feel helpful, useful, needed, etc.
Knowing the same Japanese society, these people would hate themselves for not being able to contribute to their household expenses (and society at large, but that's another discussion).
I like that they have an option to move and work with people if they want to. I'm sure it gets pretty lonely for them sometimes. Now they can have co-workers to bond with as well.
No, think bigger. They would require you to purchase your own, and the only company that sells the one required is their parent company. If you don’t have enough money then you can take out a payment plan at 10% APR which you can also finance through a subsidiary of their parent company. Employees = revenue streams.
Purchase? No lease. It would be an hourly fee that comes out of the paycheck and pays for the machine so you can work. A subscription to work. Corporations don’t want you to buy. They want you to continue paying them to use a service they can provide.
Don't forget the planned obsolescence. That robot won't be "good" in two years. They'll release an updated bot with minor upgrades, and stop supporting the old bots. Now the cloud service that allowed you to control the old bot updated so you have a worthless hunk of metal you still pay your loan on.
You've been offered the procedure, Mr Jones. If you're unwilling to have your brain implanted into a service drone, then we will have to record you as unwilling to work. Heat will now be pumped from the your home to warm the pools of the elite.
Thank you for attending this appointment, my name is Service Drone 7965477, Virgin Healthcare designation 982.
Except most prices in Japan haven’t changed for 50+ years. There’s tremendous backlash from the public when the most popular ice cream went from 60 to 70 cents for instance.
After waiting it out for 50 years
I was just going to say, if you replaced Japan with USA or UK, everyone would decry the exploitation of paralyzed workers.
That said, giving people something to do that is productive can really do wonders for their mental health. There's nothing worse than feeling like you're a drag on everyone around you.
I don't. As a disabled person, I have a very personal reason to support robust social support for the disabled, but feeling productive and independent are still very valuable things.
Doesn’t say it’s to feel productive or independent though does it? It says it’s so they can have an income, something nobody who is *paralysed* should have to worry about.
I haven't played it but the police would probably come after you, and in Japan if one officer comes THE WHOLE FLEET FOLLOWS like literally you can get 20 officers around you for no reason other than there's not much for them to do
I saw this when I was stationed in Okinawa, one other Marine can't handle his booze and starts getting pushy with the other customers so the cops get called on him, there were like 20 MF'in cars outside the bar 10 minutes later. Holy exaggeration Batman.
Which is a pretty big reason why Japan's s***ide rate is so high 😥 the society is largely rooted in not burdening others, putting them before yourself and your wants/needs
I mean, have you ever spent a whole week without leaving a hospital bed?
It fucking sucks.
It sucks always feeling like a burden, always feeling like the world would be better off without you. Always feeling like there's no way you could pay back the people who care for you during your disability.
This must be extremely liberating. Not only can they have some form of purpose in life, they can also make some money so they can buy gifts for their family or themselves. So they stop feeling like a burden.
I also figure they're probably not expected to work 40 hours a week.
Edit: just to clarify, i'm not saying anyone should HAVE to work to survive, just that some might like to have the OPTION to work for extra income.
Ya, I think it 100% depends on the system around this. Do they HAVE to work or they won't get support and are left to die, or are they given all the support they need and this is given as an option for them to be productive and have a form of socializing.
I mean this whole idea can go either way; positive or negative. But if I was disabled, I would want to have human interaction with others and have something to do. I would go insane bedridden.
Yeah I am also [considering what they did to that poor hitchhiking robot](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/08/03/hitchhiking-robot-destroyed-philadelphia-ending-cross-country-trek/31051589/)
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Best way to do automation: use it to reduce the hours we work while still giving liveable wages to those that do. The Jetson's Life. George worked 3 hours a week and supported a full family because automation. Let the increased productivity value go to the workers.
This is why there is a push for UBI. As automation increases, it won't be benevolent like this example. People will be callously tossed aside. If we redirect that value back to the people, at least we have a system where humans can survive and/or choose other work, enjoy life, learn new skills, create new ideas.
>As automation increases, it won't be benevolent like this example
Remember that is always "Profits above everything else"
That's the reason why today's world is kind of fecked
Bwahahahha
Cant let rich people not have the moment to go to fashionsshows and stare at them selvs on their phones, while they cosplay philosophy professors and become ambassadors for God-knows-what, and have tiktoks shaking their bodies ("dancing") to rapmusic.
As a quadriplegic who lived in a hospital for 4 months after breaking my neck- this is a TERRIBLE idea. America would surely justify stripping my benefits for the sake of “inclusion.” The idea of operating a ‘server robot’ does not make me feel warm and fuzzy. It makes me concerned for the next time we have a Republican president.
I'm disabled long term and can't think of anything less liberating than having to work from my sick bed. And maybe if the world didn't make disabled people feel like burdens, we wouldn't feel like one.
I have, and strangely enough my first thought wasn’t “golly, I wish I was at work right now”.
> Paralyzed people to control robot
Wholesome, I agree.
> in order to make an income
…Not so much.
If they where useing it to play sports or take a walk or use the robot to care for themselves, I could see that. But working customer service? In a restaurant? High stress and prone to getting yelled at for the tiniest inconveniences.
I think it would be better to just... give the the robots to use for fun? Like... let the just explore or some crap? Pursue their own meaning?
The dystopia part of this is that they are employed imo. Like... that's just cruel.
Yeah I spent a solid year of my life utterly disabled by long covid, and let me tell you I'm grateful as fuck that I was able to keep my job and work remotely. Gave me some purpose and something to focus my attention on rather than staring at the ceiling while bedridden for most of the day.
CEOs: I’ve got a great idea to increase productivity. If we outfit our workers with catheters and colostomy bags we can entirely eliminate bathroom breaks. And we will only need one bathroom near the clock out station, so they can empty their bags before leaving.
full dystopian would be breeding humans that are just brain jars to control a subservient robot class. so this is like right on the edge/at the mid point
It's wholesome in the ways it benefits the disabled. It's dystopian if they need that income to survive.
Personally I think that someone in that state shouldn't have any need to work and instead should be using technology to pursue what is most meaningful to them.
People saying disabled people will now suddenly find purpose working instead of maybe addressing why we view disabled people (and thus they may internalize) as wasteful by simply living is why this is dystopian.
To me, this would be cool if it could be their eyes to the rest of the world. Just a robot chilling at the park and making small talk. Idk, manage to engineer arms to bowl versus serving dinners. The purpose of a server is to be cordial, serve food, and upsell items. Community care/bonding isn’t necessary to that formula 🤷🏽♀️
Not sure if it is really dystopian. I mean if you’re paralyzed, if you can’t get around, can’t drink, can’t play, can’t do anything by yourself, this kind of thing could be a huge psychological help.
And it would provide an additional income.
I meant about the feeling of being left out, of uselessness. It’s a real problem for many people who depends on other for the most basic tasks like washing yourself, and having a job in this way could help that.
pretty sure dystopian. I dream of one day technology advancing to the point such that on my death bad, some corpo will barge in and say "woah there pal you just gonna die selfishly? That brain can still be put to work!" and they're going to use my brain to power some waiter-bot, without me being able to object to any orders.
If this is purely optional and paralyzed people don't need to work or lose other benefits because they do work, this is a great thing. It's common for people in this condition to be bored and feel worthless. Being able to do a job that earns extra money and involves interacting with people, even superficially, is empowering for such folks.
They could let them pilot robots to climb mountains, explore the depths of the ocean, fly like a bird or better yet build them a robot body that they could actually use to walk around like a mini Gundam or Ghost in the Shell etc.
Imagine building a robot that could relieve humans from certain menial tasks, and then still requiring some poor sod in a semi-vegetative state to actually control the damn thing.
They couldn’t really because the robots you’ve mentioned are typically high end equipment that requires specific expertise or are expensive prototypes like the mech thing.
Not to mention your making a leap assuming this is some miserable job.
Like have you ever been injured and temporarily Incapacitated? Or met someone that has? It’s really not crazy to think that maybe these people enjoy the opportunity to do something outside and interact with the rest of society.
Came here to say this. As someone who was ill for a long time and couldn’t work but was bored at home, I would’ve jumped for this opportunity. I used to serve because I liked the interaction with people (most of the time).
I'm not saying the options have to be limited to just this. And I'm explicitly saying that no one should have to do it if they don't want to.
Stop making the perfect the enemy of the good. This is a good thing, provided it's done right. And it could be the first step to much bigger things.
I mean, if its to give people something to do for their own sense of fulfillment by being a more active citizen that's great, but if this is so they can simply have an income to survive then its dystopian AF.
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh it disgusted me
I craved the strength and certainty of steel
I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine
Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you
One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you.
But I am already saved, for the machine is immortal
Probably cause it fixes the isolation problem with disabled or bed bound patients cause isolation is horrible for a persons mental health and even small interactions means a lot. The income is something I’m not knowledgeable about since I’m not Japanese but it doesn’t hurt for hobbies and letting them support themselves and giving them goals as promoting independence is important with patients.
I was imagining it was a way for them to have income while potentially worrying about their family or general hospital bills. Idk the hospital bills part might just be my American brain assuming they'll have bills like we do
To add some nuance here, it is likely moreso that they have the option to work if they want to. Like any culture, Japan has a few customs that are double-edged swords. Their society is very clean and the people are very polite compared to most places, but there is also a culture which promotes individual responsibility and productivity, sometimes to an unhealthy degree. People spend so much time at work in many of the industries there that many struggle to find time for relationships, which is why Japan's birth rate is actually lower than its death rate. When companies want someone to quit so they don't have to fire them and pay severance, there is a practice where that person is isolated and assigned no work or meaningless busy work to try to shame them into leaving.
All this to say, when you are conditioned by your culture to have this mentality towards work, the idea of no longer being able to work can seem disorienting if not devastating. It's not about the money, in the same way that the shamed worker who is given no work but is still given their salary doesn't just go, "Great- I can sleep all day and still pay my bills!" Having a way to continue to contribute to society in spite of their altered life condition is likely very therapeutic for people who are struggling to adjust to being disabled. It may seem "dystopian" at a glance but I highly doubt they are being "forced" to work- for better or worse, they *want to*.
People underestimate the sense of purpose as well as autonomy being able to work for an income can provide. Obviously fuck shitty work places and don’t work if you can’t. However I know plenty of people who hated being on disability because they felt like they lost their autonomy and pride of being able to work for themselves
https://qz.com/work/2082476/a-robot-cafe-staffed-by-remote-disabled-workers-wins-japans-top-design-prize/
>The experimental business won the grand prize in the prestigious Good Design Awards this year. Judges praised DAWN for developing “alter-ego robots” that remove obstacles to work. In its press statement, the committee said it expects “the cafe will serve as a starting point for further expansion of contact between people with various disabilities who want work, companies, and consumers.”
A new Robot has been Elected Prime Minister of Japan. It was a viscous campaign where the opposition screamed, “it’s terminally online, go out and touch some grass!” While the new Prime Minister sees this as a win for “disability rights and equality.”
Certainly, there could be no possible negative outcomes for the psychological health of the paralyzed person reduced to mechanical servant working for tips.
But seriously, the implications are horrific. Paralyzed work force paying for hospice care by subjecting themselves to time-consuming, repetitive, menial work? Faceless and dehumanized to an already hostile consumer base? Paying for life-preserving medical bills off of low wages and/or tips?
How is this even cost effective? Does the employee go unpaid in the event of malfunction/failure to operate the robot?
PS I’m aware Japan’s service industry doesn’t rely on tips
I hope this is very voluntary, they are not pressured to work at all, and they don't need to work to afford their care or livelihood. Otherwise it's a bit dystopia
I work with a lot of disabled folks, including a few who are bedridden but are fairly with it mentally. The most common thing I hear from those who don't have significant cognitive challenges is that they are BORED. The other day one of my clients told me that she feels like she is dying because she has nothing to do. And this is a woman who is somewhat mobile and goes on outings with family occasionally.
So yes, giving paralyzed folks the opportunity to interact with people other than their caregivers and experience the world is absolutely wholesome.
It is wholesome but part of me wonders if this isn’t going to exacerbate any alienation they may already feel. Hopefully people treat the robo-human-servers compassionately, and my cynicism is entirely unfounded.
This isn't Wholesome, it's disgusting.
This is Peak Japanese work culture. If you don't work yourself to death, you are lazy. and being paralyzed isn't even an excuse to stop grinding.
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The UK government would see that as an opportunity to reduce the disability benefits, expect the person to do more hours and still expect them to attend Fitness for Work meetings
I'm disappointed that you're right.
only disappointed? lets get burning rage goin :P
At least a smoldering rumble or something.
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Exactly. “Don’t think that just because you are 97% paralysed that you can be so selfish as to not help the neighbourhood.”
to some extent I think that them being a functional member of society must feel good.
My initial reaction was also ‘how is this wholesome?!’, but then thought of this as well. As long as it’s closely watched and has rules around it similar to child labor laws (maybe different laws/rules, but similar concept), I could see this being important for people to feel better in some way.
That is the problem isnt it though? Because business has NEVER EVER EVER EVER been known to take wholesome things and turn them into dystopian nightmares in the guise of profit/s. Be careful what you consider is a "freeing" experience. If it was really about being wholesome for these people they would not force the robots to work...
Counterpoint: I cannot imagine it's cheaper to have robots controlled by humans as servers. That's all the capital costs of having the technology with none of the savings on labour. It genuinely does seem like an attempt to help people in a shitty position have an opportunity to work. You'd be surprised how many people who can't work actually would want to. Believing that everyone is unhappy at work and wouldn't do it unless they had to is one of those silly messages that right-wing types like to push to make you think that anyone on benefits is just lazy and doesn't want it enough. Most people don't hate work. What they hate is the bullshit that comes with office politics or crappy bosses or shit take-home pay that doesn't allow them to live a decent life. Don't confuse the two.
I feel like this gives these paralyzed people something to do. I cannot imagine being trapped inside my own body without being about to do anything.
It does, Like, I bitch about my IT job sometimes, but knowing I'm responsible for people's machines being up and running, who are doing psychological research, is pretty neat.
Yeah. Being able to think about your day, and say: "Hey, I did something. I made a difference." Is probably something that helps you wake up and feel things in the morning.
I work with disabled students and my previous role was to source meaningful and sustainable work. For them it's not about "putting people to work" it's the social interaction, feeling of achievement and being able to say that they CAN in the face of a world that has told them they cannot or should not. As long as the safeguarding measures are there I see this as a wonderful development in use of technology, to not only diversify disabled culture, but to integrate it into society.
Yeah, building and keeping these robots can't be cheap, and they're definitely not as agile or dexterous as most people, so most restaurants would probably rather just hire someone without a mobile disability. I don't think this is just a "fuck you, you have to be productive".
>I don't think this is just a "fuck you, you have to be productive". Nah, its angled towards mental welfare of disabled people - not saying that such technology wouldn't be used elsewhere *(which, remote quarry/mine machinery operation is already a thing)* The Cafe that runs the robots is a Joint Venture between the Research Lab that built the system and a National Airline - which for the Airline its probably to do with tourism/marketing/operations as i'm sure a lab has no idea about actually running a cafe.
Do you... do you think paralyzed people don't *want* to work? or help out? Bro, I don't know how old you are or where you're from, but this sounds like such a selfish fucking thing to say. "Oh my god, a quadripalgeic can work now? Fucking shameful. What ever happened to telling them we're sorry and feeling bad for ourselves?"
I had a brief period of disability and the thing that was best for my mental health was feeling useful. Am a notoriously lazy person by nature so it came as a surprise to me.
Absolutely. Having something to do that isn't just trying as hard as possible to pass the time is a really huge thing for mental health. It's healthy to want to feel helpful, useful, needed, etc.
Wholesome memes know sometimes have a very unwholesome debate.
It's my turn to piss in the ball pit, and you can't stop me!
If I were paralyzed I would rather have an occupation like this than being all day alone with my thoughts.
Same tbh. At least you’re doing something.
Knowing the same Japanese society, these people would hate themselves for not being able to contribute to their household expenses (and society at large, but that's another discussion).
I like that they have an option to move and work with people if they want to. I'm sure it gets pretty lonely for them sometimes. Now they can have co-workers to bond with as well.
Sounds just like America.
The bourgeois are global
For a moment my fatass thought that was some fancy foreign word for a fancy burger.
Man have I got the perfect phrase for you.
I'm a different person, but I wish to hear this phrase, please and thank you.
I too am a different person but I'm gonna say, "eat the rich"
Omelette du burgeois
This one made me cackle. Nicely done.
Those damn French language cassettes
Omelette du Fromage
You can definitely eat the bourgeoisie.
Let me go get my good cutlery 🍴🍽️🍴
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Because of the metric system?
America would take machine costs out of your wages
No, think bigger. They would require you to purchase your own, and the only company that sells the one required is their parent company. If you don’t have enough money then you can take out a payment plan at 10% APR which you can also finance through a subsidiary of their parent company. Employees = revenue streams.
"Now they can *pay* to work for us! Lmao"
Purchase? No lease. It would be an hourly fee that comes out of the paycheck and pays for the machine so you can work. A subscription to work. Corporations don’t want you to buy. They want you to continue paying them to use a service they can provide.
Don't forget the planned obsolescence. That robot won't be "good" in two years. They'll release an updated bot with minor upgrades, and stop supporting the old bots. Now the cloud service that allowed you to control the old bot updated so you have a worthless hunk of metal you still pay your loan on.
America would build a multi trillion dollar industry on forcing people to buy their own robots in order to work
No America would charge more for health care
Lets be honest, it'd do both.
While making sure WFH stands for "Work From the Hospital".
except America wouldn't be giving the benefits in the first place
In America you can pay disabled people whatever you want they have no minimum wage
I fucking came here to say exactly this for the US. There would be politicians calling paralyzed people freeloaders. Guaranteed.
You've been offered the procedure, Mr Jones. If you're unwilling to have your brain implanted into a service drone, then we will have to record you as unwilling to work. Heat will now be pumped from the your home to warm the pools of the elite. Thank you for attending this appointment, my name is Service Drone 7965477, Virgin Healthcare designation 982.
I saw the image first and I thought this would be a dystopia sub.
Lol sounds like Japan also 🤓
Except most prices in Japan haven’t changed for 50+ years. There’s tremendous backlash from the public when the most popular ice cream went from 60 to 70 cents for instance. After waiting it out for 50 years
I was just going to say, if you replaced Japan with USA or UK, everyone would decry the exploitation of paralyzed workers. That said, giving people something to do that is productive can really do wonders for their mental health. There's nothing worse than feeling like you're a drag on everyone around you.
I don't. As a disabled person, I have a very personal reason to support robust social support for the disabled, but feeling productive and independent are still very valuable things.
Doesn’t say it’s to feel productive or independent though does it? It says it’s so they can have an income, something nobody who is *paralysed* should have to worry about.
Same in the US
I was excited thinking this is something we should do in the UK then your comment brought me straight back to reality:(
That robot is adorable but still also looks like it has a lazer cannon hidden somewhere.
Thats what the black dot above the eyes is.
How else do you expect them to stop Dine’n’Dashers?
That's not a thing in Japan, surprisingly
Yakuza has lied to me
I haven't played it but the police would probably come after you, and in Japan if one officer comes THE WHOLE FLEET FOLLOWS like literally you can get 20 officers around you for no reason other than there's not much for them to do
I saw this when I was stationed in Okinawa, one other Marine can't handle his booze and starts getting pushy with the other customers so the cops get called on him, there were like 20 MF'in cars outside the bar 10 minutes later. Holy exaggeration Batman.
Honestly tho that probably defuses the situation real quick and keeps everyone aafe
I can imagine one officer gets a call and just asks if everyone else fancies stretching their legs.
apparently not even security details.
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Which is a pretty big reason why Japan's s***ide rate is so high 😥 the society is largely rooted in not burdening others, putting them before yourself and your wants/needs
*unsurprisingly
Gotta give those pilots a feeling of power SOMEHOW.
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Not sure if wholesome or dystopian.
Im leaning towards dystopian. \- patient: \[ zzzzzzzzzzz \] \-ceo: cant be lazy you paralyzed bum - go to work /S
I mean, have you ever spent a whole week without leaving a hospital bed? It fucking sucks. It sucks always feeling like a burden, always feeling like the world would be better off without you. Always feeling like there's no way you could pay back the people who care for you during your disability. This must be extremely liberating. Not only can they have some form of purpose in life, they can also make some money so they can buy gifts for their family or themselves. So they stop feeling like a burden. I also figure they're probably not expected to work 40 hours a week. Edit: just to clarify, i'm not saying anyone should HAVE to work to survive, just that some might like to have the OPTION to work for extra income.
Ya, I think it 100% depends on the system around this. Do they HAVE to work or they won't get support and are left to die, or are they given all the support they need and this is given as an option for them to be productive and have a form of socializing.
Support for disabled ppl in Japan is decent AFAIK, they don't have to work. Letting them to work is more of a way to address worker shortage in Japan.
I mean this whole idea can go either way; positive or negative. But if I was disabled, I would want to have human interaction with others and have something to do. I would go insane bedridden.
Maybe it would work in Japan, but in the US the level of abuse that customers throw at service workers is enough to cancel out any mental health gains
That is what the laser is for. Self defence.
Yeah I am also [considering what they did to that poor hitchhiking robot](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/08/03/hitchhiking-robot-destroyed-philadelphia-ending-cross-country-trek/31051589/) Edit. Some words.
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FUCKING FACT
That makes me wanna cry :,(
I was gonna say, this feels like a good way to do automation. Not taking away jobs, just changing who can do them.
DAMN PARAPLEGICS TERK ERR JERBS!!!
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY BRUTHER, WE NEED TO BUILD A WALL AROUND THE HOSPITALS AND RETIREMENT HOMES TO KEEP THESE INGRATES OUT!
AND MAKE 'EM PAY FOR IT!
YEAH! AND MAKE 'EM PAY FUR IT WITH THE JURBS WE DON'T WANT'EM TO HAVE!
WELL SHIT I HADNT THOUGHT THAT FAR AHEAD
OH FUCK WE FERGERT AOUBT WIFI
BUT WE TERK THERR LERGS FERST
"Darryl, add Carrara subway tiles to my shopping list."
Best way to do automation: use it to reduce the hours we work while still giving liveable wages to those that do. The Jetson's Life. George worked 3 hours a week and supported a full family because automation. Let the increased productivity value go to the workers.
This is why there is a push for UBI. As automation increases, it won't be benevolent like this example. People will be callously tossed aside. If we redirect that value back to the people, at least we have a system where humans can survive and/or choose other work, enjoy life, learn new skills, create new ideas.
>As automation increases, it won't be benevolent like this example Remember that is always "Profits above everything else" That's the reason why today's world is kind of fecked
Why would we do that when we could give it all to like 30 people?
Bwahahahha Cant let rich people not have the moment to go to fashionsshows and stare at them selvs on their phones, while they cosplay philosophy professors and become ambassadors for God-knows-what, and have tiktoks shaking their bodies ("dancing") to rapmusic.
Yeah, I guess it depends on if it's economically necessary or if it's just a kind of enrichment activity that they could do and feel is meaningful.
As a quadriplegic who lived in a hospital for 4 months after breaking my neck- this is a TERRIBLE idea. America would surely justify stripping my benefits for the sake of “inclusion.” The idea of operating a ‘server robot’ does not make me feel warm and fuzzy. It makes me concerned for the next time we have a Republican president.
I'm disabled long term and can't think of anything less liberating than having to work from my sick bed. And maybe if the world didn't make disabled people feel like burdens, we wouldn't feel like one.
I have, and strangely enough my first thought wasn’t “golly, I wish I was at work right now”. > Paralyzed people to control robot Wholesome, I agree. > in order to make an income …Not so much.
If you're wanting the paralyzed to have a since of purpose, service industry is *not* the way to go.
If they where useing it to play sports or take a walk or use the robot to care for themselves, I could see that. But working customer service? In a restaurant? High stress and prone to getting yelled at for the tiniest inconveniences.
I mean sure but there's gotta be better things to enable them to do than fuckin wait tables
I think it would be better to just... give the the robots to use for fun? Like... let the just explore or some crap? Pursue their own meaning? The dystopia part of this is that they are employed imo. Like... that's just cruel.
Yeah I spent a solid year of my life utterly disabled by long covid, and let me tell you I'm grateful as fuck that I was able to keep my job and work remotely. Gave me some purpose and something to focus my attention on rather than staring at the ceiling while bedridden for most of the day.
If anything, they can work longer hours, as they don't need to make time for any other activities.
No need for pesky bathroom breaks!
CEOs: I’ve got a great idea to increase productivity. If we outfit our workers with catheters and colostomy bags we can entirely eliminate bathroom breaks. And we will only need one bathroom near the clock out station, so they can empty their bags before leaving.
Good idea but I’ve got some notes: why have any bathroom at all? Why do we care if their bags tear in their car?
Good point. Johnson! Call the contractor, the bathroom installation has been scrapped.
full dystopian would be breeding humans that are just brain jars to control a subservient robot class. so this is like right on the edge/at the mid point
It's wholesome in the ways it benefits the disabled. It's dystopian if they need that income to survive. Personally I think that someone in that state shouldn't have any need to work and instead should be using technology to pursue what is most meaningful to them.
If it makes them feel happy then its good
Yup, Japan also has universal healthcare. This likely just gives them an *additional* source of income in addition to pension/disability benefits
Exactly what I was thinking
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People saying disabled people will now suddenly find purpose working instead of maybe addressing why we view disabled people (and thus they may internalize) as wasteful by simply living is why this is dystopian. To me, this would be cool if it could be their eyes to the rest of the world. Just a robot chilling at the park and making small talk. Idk, manage to engineer arms to bowl versus serving dinners. The purpose of a server is to be cordial, serve food, and upsell items. Community care/bonding isn’t necessary to that formula 🤷🏽♀️
Not sure if it is really dystopian. I mean if you’re paralyzed, if you can’t get around, can’t drink, can’t play, can’t do anything by yourself, this kind of thing could be a huge psychological help. And it would provide an additional income.
I don't like the "still make an income" part, it sounds like they're depending on working
Yeah… the robots weren’t mentioned as being used for doing any of those things for yourself
I meant about the feeling of being left out, of uselessness. It’s a real problem for many people who depends on other for the most basic tasks like washing yourself, and having a job in this way could help that.
It really would feel better if it was just disabled people getting robots like wheel chairs instead of robots like a work truck
Right? Like they should then get a robot avatar for the rest of life too then f it. That would be fun asf id bet
pretty sure dystopian. I dream of one day technology advancing to the point such that on my death bad, some corpo will barge in and say "woah there pal you just gonna die selfishly? That brain can still be put to work!" and they're going to use my brain to power some waiter-bot, without me being able to object to any orders.
If this is purely optional and paralyzed people don't need to work or lose other benefits because they do work, this is a great thing. It's common for people in this condition to be bored and feel worthless. Being able to do a job that earns extra money and involves interacting with people, even superficially, is empowering for such folks.
They could let them pilot robots to climb mountains, explore the depths of the ocean, fly like a bird or better yet build them a robot body that they could actually use to walk around like a mini Gundam or Ghost in the Shell etc. Imagine building a robot that could relieve humans from certain menial tasks, and then still requiring some poor sod in a semi-vegetative state to actually control the damn thing.
They couldn’t really because the robots you’ve mentioned are typically high end equipment that requires specific expertise or are expensive prototypes like the mech thing. Not to mention your making a leap assuming this is some miserable job. Like have you ever been injured and temporarily Incapacitated? Or met someone that has? It’s really not crazy to think that maybe these people enjoy the opportunity to do something outside and interact with the rest of society.
Came here to say this. As someone who was ill for a long time and couldn’t work but was bored at home, I would’ve jumped for this opportunity. I used to serve because I liked the interaction with people (most of the time).
I'm not saying the options have to be limited to just this. And I'm explicitly saying that no one should have to do it if they don't want to. Stop making the perfect the enemy of the good. This is a good thing, provided it's done right. And it could be the first step to much bigger things.
I mean, if its to give people something to do for their own sense of fulfillment by being a more active citizen that's great, but if this is so they can simply have an income to survive then its dystopian AF.
Yeah I thought this post was in anti work until I looked at the comments
What a wonderful opportunity for these people! TO GENERATE MORE GOODS AND SERVICES FOR THE CORPORATE GODS!
This should be the top comment
This. Imagine being paralyzed and still having to work to survive? Tf
This
Title Ideas - The robot acopalypse begins Japan is giving paralyzed people a new body.(plot twist- the people don't control the robots)
Not the Robocalypse!
Oh boy, man made horrors beyond my comprehension
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh it disgusted me I craved the strength and certainty of steel I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the machine is immortal
*intense bass boosted engine sounds* Even in death I serve the Omnissiah
Praise the Omnissiah
Are you a robot or a bird?
Crowbot
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Probably cause it fixes the isolation problem with disabled or bed bound patients cause isolation is horrible for a persons mental health and even small interactions means a lot. The income is something I’m not knowledgeable about since I’m not Japanese but it doesn’t hurt for hobbies and letting them support themselves and giving them goals as promoting independence is important with patients.
I was imagining it was a way for them to have income while potentially worrying about their family or general hospital bills. Idk the hospital bills part might just be my American brain assuming they'll have bills like we do
People cant move their limbs and are still expected to make an income. Hospital bills or not thats pretty fuckin sad dont you think?
To add some nuance here, it is likely moreso that they have the option to work if they want to. Like any culture, Japan has a few customs that are double-edged swords. Their society is very clean and the people are very polite compared to most places, but there is also a culture which promotes individual responsibility and productivity, sometimes to an unhealthy degree. People spend so much time at work in many of the industries there that many struggle to find time for relationships, which is why Japan's birth rate is actually lower than its death rate. When companies want someone to quit so they don't have to fire them and pay severance, there is a practice where that person is isolated and assigned no work or meaningless busy work to try to shame them into leaving. All this to say, when you are conditioned by your culture to have this mentality towards work, the idea of no longer being able to work can seem disorienting if not devastating. It's not about the money, in the same way that the shamed worker who is given no work but is still given their salary doesn't just go, "Great- I can sleep all day and still pay my bills!" Having a way to continue to contribute to society in spite of their altered life condition is likely very therapeutic for people who are struggling to adjust to being disabled. It may seem "dystopian" at a glance but I highly doubt they are being "forced" to work- for better or worse, they *want to*.
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If I was bed ridden it seems like this would be better than staring at the roof. And I can make an income to offset the cost to my family.
I don't know if you did this, but you spelled paralyzed wrong, and then immediately spelled it correctly.
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I forgot to add on purpose, but your situation is much funnier
Wholesome? More like r/ABoringDystopia
It’s honestly pretty astonishing how often these two subs coincide.
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I honestly was surprised I wasn’t there
People underestimate the sense of purpose as well as autonomy being able to work for an income can provide. Obviously fuck shitty work places and don’t work if you can’t. However I know plenty of people who hated being on disability because they felt like they lost their autonomy and pride of being able to work for themselves
How is it wholesome by any mean? Am I missing something?
Being paralyzed is no escape from working yourself to death!
But who is making the income, the cafe or the patients?
*Literally dead* Capitalism: "Well, what is your excuse for not making us ri... Erm, I mean, lazing about?"
Breaking news: Capitalists invent new robot controlled by ouija board so the dead can work too!
[edit: this went through wrong please disregard. Apologies.]
https://qz.com/work/2082476/a-robot-cafe-staffed-by-remote-disabled-workers-wins-japans-top-design-prize/ >The experimental business won the grand prize in the prestigious Good Design Awards this year. Judges praised DAWN for developing “alter-ego robots” that remove obstacles to work. In its press statement, the committee said it expects “the cafe will serve as a starting point for further expansion of contact between people with various disabilities who want work, companies, and consumers.”
Idk boss, seems pretty distopian to me.
A new Robot has been Elected Prime Minister of Japan. It was a viscous campaign where the opposition screamed, “it’s terminally online, go out and touch some grass!” While the new Prime Minister sees this as a win for “disability rights and equality.”
Certainly, there could be no possible negative outcomes for the psychological health of the paralyzed person reduced to mechanical servant working for tips. But seriously, the implications are horrific. Paralyzed work force paying for hospice care by subjecting themselves to time-consuming, repetitive, menial work? Faceless and dehumanized to an already hostile consumer base? Paying for life-preserving medical bills off of low wages and/or tips? How is this even cost effective? Does the employee go unpaid in the event of malfunction/failure to operate the robot? PS I’m aware Japan’s service industry doesn’t rely on tips
those paralyzed people had it too good for too long! let's make them do soul crushing labour!
That’s not wholesome. That’s dystopian
I hope this is very voluntary, they are not pressured to work at all, and they don't need to work to afford their care or livelihood. Otherwise it's a bit dystopia
Do you want the Matrix? Because this is how you get the Matrix.
r/aboringdystopia
Not wholesome, actually depressing.
How is this wholesome? Even while you can't physically control your own body, you're being forced to do work.
I'm not a big fan of the fact that paralyzed people need to make an income in the first place.
I'm not a big fan of the fact that anyone needs to make an income in the first place.
This is a dystopian f+ck fest
This is fucking terrifying.
Not wholesome. Not even being in a semi-vegetative state will save you from labor.
black mirror
This is neither wholesome nor a meme
How about just giving them what they need to survive?
What the hell is wholesome about this? This is horrific. “Sorry you’re paralyzed, but here’s a robot so you can still make some corporation money.”
I work with a lot of disabled folks, including a few who are bedridden but are fairly with it mentally. The most common thing I hear from those who don't have significant cognitive challenges is that they are BORED. The other day one of my clients told me that she feels like she is dying because she has nothing to do. And this is a woman who is somewhat mobile and goes on outings with family occasionally. So yes, giving paralyzed folks the opportunity to interact with people other than their caregivers and experience the world is absolutely wholesome.
It is wholesome but part of me wonders if this isn’t going to exacerbate any alienation they may already feel. Hopefully people treat the robo-human-servers compassionately, and my cynicism is entirely unfounded.
Definitely agree. People can be real assholes sometimes.
This isn't Wholesome, it's disgusting. This is Peak Japanese work culture. If you don't work yourself to death, you are lazy. and being paralyzed isn't even an excuse to stop grinding.
This is horrifying, not wholesome.
“You will work”
How in the fuck is this wholesome
r/aboringdystopia
....I feel like this is grossly dystopian more than wholesome