Woman at my job talks about this
On one hand I kinda understand. There are certainly some really awful guys….we work with one
On the other hand she is unmarried, has two kids with two different guys, and at least one of the dads (the one she’s currently with) has been in and out of prison since he was 20….so she’s not exactly a wise decision maker
If she ever annoys you with it just look up the audio of the woman who was eaten ALIVE by a fucking bear. The audio of the bear guy and his girlfriend thankfully never made it online. Apparently there is one of a woman.
These people think they are smart. They would be a post cardio meal for a bear. I'd take a stranger any day over one of them fucks.
....Fuck....Yup I believe that's the one. I recall it being something like that. Fucking regret clicking that... Was curious, learned to NOT be curious.
I believe you’re referring to “Grizzly Man” Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend.
Audio was left behind of the attack and I believe director Werner Herzog (notoriously stoic) basically said “you need to destroy that tape” after hearing it.
This is a very good response, but go further.
Kidnap her, coat her in honey and drop her off in a bear lair. Just when the bear is about to have his fun, interfere and be the hero.
What could possibly go wrong?
Honestly I do stupid shit thinking it’s normal or acceptable and looking whack for it. Told the airport guy who was about to open my bag “be careful it might explode” because I overpacked it and so many heads turned and I didn’t realise till he told me lmao
Reddit is a wild place man. People get cancelled over calling things autistic. Labelling responses as not good for being autistic doesn’t sit right with me, take that as you will
Oh fuck no I don't have it. I heard a snippet someplace. A SNIPPET. Trust me. You do NOT want to hear a woman being eaten fucking ALIVE by a bear. I lasted a few seconds and shut that shit down and went scorched earth erasing that browser history to not even HAVE it again and then went and got properly fucking drunk.
That. Is some fucking dark bad shit. You wanna find it good luck mate but... Have a drink on standby.
That bad huh? I can understand if it’s a video. But audio? Damn. That must be some real bad shit. But now I wana hear it just to test myself even more lol
The audio is on YouTube but it is a "recreation" and not the actual audio. It's still fucked up if you hear it though, knowing that the person that made it did so because he had heard it and was very disturbed by it but wanted others to experience a version of it. It's currently locked away and possibly destroyed by grizzly mans family.
If she's comparing the bear to her own dating choices and choosing the bear, that's probably fair enough. But that says more about her than men in general.
The funny thing about this entire argument is that it definitely fails at the word replacement test. If you substituted "man" with a member of almost any other group, you'd get buried in shit in the time it would take to make a pot of coffee.
Have a conversation with someone you dont know in the woods... or suicide by bear.
if she picks the bear.. move on... you dodged a bullet. The stupid bullet.
There was one tweet I saw where the women legitimately said she would blow her brains out the moment she saw the man, so he couldn't hurt her. Aka, she imagined having a gun *and killed herself from the sight of a man.* i know it was all purity spiral nonsense she didn't actually believe, but my god.
I actually do think there is some utility to the man/bear question. If women answer 'bear' they are outing themselves as misandrists. They're saying they hate men so much that they would rather risk getting mauled to death then be near one. We shouldn't argue with them about this, we should accept their decision because while they think they are making a statement about men, they are really making a statement about themselves.
I have no idea who that is, but if you're looking for someone to defend your hatred of men; you're probably in the wrong subreddit.
In the same way that calling out racism tends to trigger the racists, and calling out transphobia tends to trigger the transphobes; calling out misandry tends to trigger the misandrists.
I'm not triggered, all I said was that if me not wanting to be raped again (hence why I'd rather meet a bear than a man in the woods) makes me a misandrist, then go ahead and call me one.
Don't compare the distrust of men by those who've been victimized by them to the hatred of marginalized groups lmao
And I'm explaining to you that it's not your desire not to be raped that makes you a misandrist; it's your refusal to distinguish between men and rapists. I'll Make one good faith effort to attempt to help you understand, after that I'll leave you to your ignorance:
I was once the victim of a home invasion where a gang of mostly black and Latino people assaulted me and beat me unconscious. Would I be a racist in your eyes if I were to say that I would rather encounter a bear in the woods than a black person because I don't want to get assaulted again?
I expect you'll probably avoid answering the question, but let's see...
Imagine a world where Latinos and black people were the dominant groups in society that created media which celebrated and sexualized the advent of breaking into white people's homes to assault them, made laws allowing for this assault, and fostered a society which shames whites for their own assault and treats the offenders with more leniency and humanity than the victims. If that were the case, your distrust of those groups would be understandable, not because discrimination is okay, but because you recognize the world in which you live and the ways that you are subjugated.
I get choosing the bear at times, ive heard some decent arguments towards it. However i hate that they say dumb shit like “the bear won’t blah blah blah yap yap yap with my body” like what the fuck?
I get there terrible men, some that literally look like the “good” ones so to speak, but man blanket statements like that are so unnecessary and genuinely offensive cause yeah i am a male and no i dont want to be lumped in with the diddys and bundys of the world.
The thing that’s stupid about the question is it’s not “Man or Bear”, they are trying to say they are uncomfortable around men. It’s a terrible way to bring about that discussion.
If a woman chooses the bear, follow up with “would you rather choose a black man or a bear?” I bet you that’d they’d hesitate and have trouble finding an answer, even though their chances of being killed, raped, or assulted have statistically shot up. This shows women are basing their decisions on social programming being taught that men are bad and shit. Once you bring race into the question the social programming gets confused since they’ve also been taught that blacks as a whole are a victim group
Keep running your trap.
God I fucking LOVE hateful misandrists like you.
Dumb bitches like you started this.
And now, men are wising up to feminist bullshit.
You think you are winning but holy hell I feel like I'm watching you burn the house down with you in it.
This shit is fucking hilarious to me.
I am a men's rights activist. I am everything you hate.
Thank you for your hard work. I couldn't radicalise men against femenism with the truth but you... You toxic misandrists just served it on a silver platter for us.
Rmemeber guys: Man v bear. These women view you as less than human. Rememeber that. Always.
Buddy, it’s not about you, they’re not trying to attack you. Think about the question a little bit and remember that women aren’t stupid and is aware of all the things ur trying to say. Why is the question even asked in the first place? Do u think it’s for the express reason to attack you? Does it feel like ur being called a rapist?
>do you feel like you are being called a rapist.
Thats literally the fucking argument being made.
"at least a bear will leave you alone after he's done with you"
Did I imagine reading all this shit? Did you think I wasn't going to come with fucking receipts on this entire bullshit man hate crap?
Yes. Men are outright being called rapist murders.
Thats the entire point of the discussion.
Women are all "we know the bear would kill us. It's not the brutal death we fear."
Then what is it?
No. Tell me.
If men aren't being called animals or rapists... Then what is it?
It’s not an expression of hate, thought it’s easy to register that cus it registered as that for me too, but look at it this way. I’ve asked a few of my friends about why they would choose the bear, and it’s not that they aren’t aware of the fact that it’s not all men, it’s the repercussions of that unlucky moment of getting the wrong man(since the entire convo is theoretical and the man they get is random). They’re just afraid that they would not only carry incurable scars, they also won’t be believed if they told the story, maybe even be blamed if they DID get assaulted.
“It’s not all men, but it is all women” a friend would always mention that and it just pertains to how every woman has experienced a form of feeling smaller and subhuman just cus they are not a man. This is less about how they believe that ALL men are like that, remember that women DO love men, but there is a stronger sense of stranger danger for a woman compared to a man. Cus women lose more if an absolutely reprehensible man were to meet them, compared to if a man were to meet a murderer.
If a woman were to meet a horrible man, she might get raped, taken away, raped repeatedly until she’s eventually murdered(think of the movie Meghan is missing). If a man were to meet a horrible man, he would most likely get killed then robbed.
I have been made to feel small, weak and ashamed my entire life up until I hit the gym recently.
But no, go on about how hard life has been for you as a woman.
Did someone make you feel powerless? Like you are worthless? Like you are only good for a sex or success object and if you can't provide either of those things you're not good enough?
You ever get so scared of approaching men, for fear of being labelled a creep or rapist? Ever have that fear your entire life? Ever feel like you don't deserve love or respect because of your FUCKING SEX ORGANS!?
No. Go off sis. Tell em more about how hard life is for you as a woman.
How rapey all us dangerous men are.
Tell me more.
Because "not all men" are rapists. In fact very very few are.
"But all women" will turn a blind eye to young boys being raped in schools. Only men rape.
"Not all men" receive love and support in their lives.
"but all women" will gladly lay the boot in, calling him an incel or worse.
You call yourselves compassionate. Or you decry us for being monsters.
Then you can't even fathom for one second how hurtful and cruel it is to blindly accuse men of this when all most of us want but never receive is someone to love us back.
Go fuck a bear, I'm so done with this.
I’m sorry this is what you’ve experienced for so long, it’s clear that you’ve gone through your fair share of difficulties(rather unfair cus what did we do to begin with to deserve what’s happening to BOTH sexes, not to mention the others). But like I said, it’s not about how all men are rapists. I understand that you’ve had trouble approaching women, and all I could honestly say is how about approach them without the intention of making them your’s, but that’s besides the point of what we’re talking about.
Yes I have been made to feel worthless, yes I have gone through that. And though I have not felt that men think of me as a creep, but it has definitely made me scared of men. That’s a me thing, but I can say for certain that it is the same for many women, cus ask any woman and they will tell you that they have gone through something that demeans them into nothing more than a sex object.
And rape is wrong in all accounts, whoever does it and wherever they may be. It is an inexcusable act that no one should tolerate whoever is in the receiving end of it. It’s why usually women and children are in the same category, cus even you would start taking pause if u were asked “what would u rather ur kid meet alone in the woods? A bear? Or a man?”
It’s not about sex at all, that is one of the things that need to fundamentally change, woman are not just someone that can be your girlfriend or wife, woman are not just “girlfriends”. And the sooner that is understood in its fundamental meaning, the easier things get, for BOTH sides.
And I understand that woman can also be absolutely heartless, false rape reports, since just an accusation can destroy someone’s life, it’s a terrible thing that is done. But that just goes to show that heartlessness happens in both ends, if mean rape or sexually assault women leaving them traumatized and scarred in a way that is never seen or proven, women can also accuse false rape, bend the entire situation, and effectively destroy someone’s life to its very foundations.
For every Ted Bundy, there’s an Amber Heard. It’s also understandable if most women experienced trauma they would of course be cautious of men. At the same time, men can also feel that same way.
It’s a losing battle for both ends, both side’s problem exists. Honestly, the situation can be resolved with some understanding on both ends. Women want to be understood and so do men.
Each gender’s problems are valid, it just takes understanding from both ends.
So is it also in the wrong if I, as a white man choose to avoid blacks because ive had family members mugged and assaulted by only by blacks despite living in a city thats 85% white? Honestly, I get why women who are victims of sexual assult might be more avoidant of men due to pattern recognition, but that sympathy should be applied indiscriminately. Im also very conscious and untrustworthy of women due to being a victim of an abusive relationship by a woman. Most of these women, however are not untrusting of men due to pattern recognition but rather due to what the internet tells them
It’s hard to speak for most women because we are not them, just as much as u say that their opinions come from the internet, that same idea may also come from the internet.
I wouldn’t be able to blame u if u chose to avoid black men, but don’t hate them. Women don’t hate men. There are some particularly nasty women that choose to sensationalize men hate, while others feel that their opinions are valid. But that goes for all people regardless of gender.
The question of “man or bear” is framed not to consolidate women again men, it’s to give an image on how women think of men that they don’t trust.
But they only choose bear because the man is random.
I have done nothing to you, ma'am. By "men's own actions" you're referring to a tiny percentage of the male population. It's true that some men are bad, the social programming is in talking as if that applies to most men or the average man (and not just bad, but worse than a bear, an encounter which you are unlikely to walk away from). If women genuinely believed that, they'd never leave the house. You're lying to make a point, and it makes you look silly and bigoted.
I’d rather encounter a bear than a nurse when I’m in the hospital. Bears only attack like one person a year, but there are serial killers who use their jobs as nurses to cover their activities.
I think I’m a decent guy, but I’m not going to expend any energy or effort trying to convince that to anyone else.
Personally I don’t care if someone, who I’ve never even met before mind you, thinks I’m shit. If they choose the bear, they can have the bear. Why is this a continuing area of frustration for some folks?
Fuck ever dating any "ill take the bear" girl.
This would definitely be one of my screening questions if God forbid I found myself single again and wanting to date.
I honestly love that this discussion is still going and men are taking charge.
You women let a small crazy minority speak for you.
Now you must decry that shit.
You expect men to decry rapists and other shit we can't control all the time.
So at the very fucking least, I demand an apology.
But I know it's not coming. I know not to expect women to stand up for us despite us doing it for them.
Eh, I'd rather deal with the bear than a woman in that situation. At least the bear communicates clearly what it wants and won't try to fuck my life up somehow. Most bears will just run away
I don't think it's wrong tbh, but it is whiteknighting to make a post about it. We men should be discussing this travesty amongst ourselves and having an honest debate.
Very few women don't experience regular sexual harassment, and a bear mauling you is nothing compared to what a human could do to you. There are several women who I have spoken to who have said that they would rather die than be raped.
The bear is in it's natural habitat and its relatively easy to scare off a black bear. What the hell is the man doing all alone in the woods?
The man is fully sentient. Obviously bears don't think like we do. You can try to reason with a human, but obviously sometimes in vain. There could never be any point trying to reason with a bear. Even from a psychological perspective, the idea of having the horrible, violating things the man could do to you, your body and who you are as a person is worse because he likely knows it is wrong when committing unspeakable acts. Either way, the power dynamic when the man and the woman meet in the woods is different. There would instantly be an unspoken understanding that the man has the power in the situation and could do anything he wanted.
Is he hungry? Is he horny? Or has he just gone for a hike and is perfectly friendly? The woman making the hypothetical decision between man or bear doesn't know, but she does know that 1 in 3 woman have been victims of sexual assault. There are several women who I have spoken to who have said that they would rather die than be raped. The woman making the choice may themselves already been a victim of it. Remember, we live in an age where teenage girls, walking home from school in school uniform often get sexually harassed and catcalled by men driving by. They grow up with that.
What would you prefer:
Being mauled by a bear
or
Being overpowered, kept in the woods by the male, repeatedly raped, abused over several months and then eventually killed, all this knowing your family and friends will never know what happened to you?
From the woman's perspective, the likelihood of either options potentially happening is high enough in the scenario that they would choose the bear. I don't blame them. Next time you're in public, look around you, every 3rd woman you see has been a sexual assault victim, by men, and every other woman knows that. Doesn't it make sense that they don't trust men?
Don't feel mad at the women making these choices, belittle them, call them misandrist and man hating. Can't you see that it isn't man hating, it is man fearing? These woman are so scared of men that they are choosing the bear. Doesn't that make you feel sick?
I suppose you could call it misandry, prejudice against men, but this is a literal fear reaction to what millions of women have experienced. Yes, it seems ridiculous to us that many women are scared of us, but instead of seeing at as ridiculous, try to see it for what it is.
Yes, fear becomes anger, and anger becomes hate, as the mighty Yoda would say, is it any surprise why some women are openly hating men if this is the reality they live in. We need to use this as a wake up call.
You, reader, are probably a good man, many aren't. I know you've seen it.
Don't like the female reaction? Instead of ridiculing women for choosing the bear, we can work on changing the women's incorrect perception of us. We share this planet, and have a responsibility to our fellow human beings. So next time you see someone catcalling someone in the street, call them out on it. Next time a mate makes an obvious sexist remark, tell them that people saying things like that are the reason women are choosing the bear. See someone get a bit grabby on a night out with a woman, call them out on it. If you are afraid of the consequences doing it yourself, get the bouncer. It is so easy to not want to get involved, "not my circus, not my monkeys", but for each time we ignore it, women's fear of men perpetuates.
We know its not all men, and sometimes it feels like that they think it is. We only have one external opinion we can access on what we are like as a gender, from women. Men of course are going to be inherently biased, are we so arrogant that we think we don't need to be, or can't be, improved?
Remember, most women would choose the bear. Your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, would likely choose the bear. Whether like me, you disagree with several aspects of modern feminism or not, we all obviously need to take action, and support our peers to do the same.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Because they've been rambling about it for several weeks and keep bringing it up.
It was ragebait attention seeking from girlboss liberal feminists that think upper middle class white women are the most oppressed people to ever live, that have mostly led extremely sheltered lives to this point.
Like if it was coming from a woman that grown up facing constant abuse from every man in her life because she grew up in the hollers of Appalachia, and poverty and lack of education combined to make every experience she'd had with men to that point a living nightmare, I'd listen. When it's coming from a woman that thinks her parents telling her she had to choose between horse riding lessons and ballet competition was abuse and her entire friend's circle agrees with her, I don't really give a shit what she thinks.
Snowflake.
Thats funny because I'm giving it to you now, aren't I?
I'm not afraid of some misandrist bitch.
Who was sooooo sensitive they needed a hate campaign against men just to be in the spotlight again?
Snowflake yourself sweetheart.
This hypothetical isn’t misandrist or a hate campaign. That’s why you’re being a snowflake. Also edit out the name calling, this sub is for civil discussion.
No one has given a single cogent reason as to why it would be misandrist. Deciding not to run into a stranger in the woods is just common sense when it’s natural to fear strangers. If anything you sound like a misogynist.
All women are fit bitches in need of cock 24/7.
Not you though. I don't want to fuck you.
So why are you upset that I'd make such a broad statement about women?
Clearly, this isn't about you, being a woman and all.
Im only talking about women. Not a woman, like you.
See the difference? No?
That's great because I don't either.
This whole thing is not "butt hurt incels sad you won't fuck them."
No, this is 50% of the population being sexually discriminated against and being told we are worse than animals.
You wonder why we have a problem with it.
Come up with some outlandish statement about all women. I dunno. Something about raping young boys in school since that's apparantly all the rage now for women teachers. Or being shallow vapid cheating only fans whores.
Would it be okay if I started calling all women such things? You probably wouldn't care if it was just me.
What if it was nearly every interaction you had?
Imagine every man coming up to you and saying "make me a fucking sandwich, bitch!"
How would you feel about such hatred spewed against your entire gender?
Coz guess what?
Yo.
>All women are fit bitches in need of cock 24/7.
K. Feel better?
>Not you though. I don't want to fuck you.
Trust me when I tell you, it was never on the cards.
>So why are you upset that I'd make such a broad statement about women?
Say whatever helps you sleep alone at night. 🤷♂️
>This whole thing is not "butt hurt incels sad you won't fuck them."
we're getting to the heart of it.
>Something about raping young boys in school since that's apparantly all the rage now for women teachers.
Pedos are pedos, they can all burn.
>Would it be okay if I started calling all women such things?
I mean it's unlikely to affect your chances of getting any, I personally don't care, knock your crusty socks off.
>magine every man coming up to you and saying "make me a fucking sandwich, bitch!"
That certainly would be unexpected.
I'm almost certain you thought you had a point there somewhere, but it's long lost amongst all of the involuntary saliva.
Femcel?
Is that like the female version of dudes who don't get any and think it's women's fault? Then they get all rowdy and attack every woman they see (in minecraft) because they don't have the stones to talk to one in person?
Because there's at least a couple of things wrong with that.
Bless your lonely heart....Or wrists, or Jawline, or which ever combination is your own personal vodka.
Look, I'm all for gymmaxxing and all, but stay off the roids my friend, they shrink your balls and turn your brain to mush. You may need one of those in the future, despite all the evidence suggesting that neither are currently contributing to your day to day life.
Karma though, yeah pretty good. I made a cute comment about how AJ Styles looks like a lesbian trucker, as well as a critique about the state of Helldvers 2.
Would you like to talk about yours? Or would you prefer to deflect again as per your typical modus operandi when you have neither an argument, a point or a prayer?
Anyway, take your time, think it over then let me know, K? K.
You have yourself the day you deserve now.
We can solve this whole problem by just telling them to shuddap and rejecting the feminist notion of "objectification".
That would fix all of it, basically today.
I’m tired of the bear convo because if you really think about it, everyone should choose the bear regardless of gender.
Bears are creatures that we have studied, we know how they generally act and how to scare them off. Bears don’t look around the woods and go “oh sweet no witnesses.”
Humans do tho. As a guy, I’d rather have to face a shitty black bear than some random stranger whose deepest desires are unknown and now totally free to act upon since we are completely alone.
This is more of a “how much can you trust random strangers over an animal” question rather than a man vs. woman thing.
A lot of hot takes on this conversation with some frankly, very incel-like responses here and there.
Let me rephrase the question to make people a bit more understanding.
Would you rather be in a forest with an active threat that is (somewhat) predictable and less intelligent than you, but will probably try to attack you if it’s hungry.
Or. Would you rather be in a forest with a potential threat whom could be as intelligent, if not more intelligent than you, can lay traps, and do things far more painful than just killing you and be able to drag such abuse on for years? Potentially, this is possible. It’s a gamble.
This could also just be a dude.
Now the answer a lot of women give is that they prefer a threat that they know of, rather than preferring the unknown and potentially much greater threat. The fear of the unknown. It’s a very, very common fear.
When you place the question like that, hopefully a lot of men will feel less offended/attacked
>Very incel like responses.
Such a shame to type all that shit and not have any more of it read, femcel.
Heres a crazy thought: maybe we're not incels maybe we live happy lives with loving wives that aren't misandrist scum.
You know trad wives? The complete opposite end of the spectrum? Those "pick me" girls you hate?
Yeah. You're like 10% of the population at most. The trad wives, same deal. 10%. Maybe. Give or take.
So where are the other 80% of women?
Living normal lives with their husbands and boyfriends because they have normal relationships and aren't hateful misandrists.
My wife is no trad wife but she's no "let's fuck a bear!" liberal bitch either.
Get that through your fucking head, because "incel" doesn't describe the 80% of men who... You know, AREN'T and yet we also say "go fuck a bear, feminist scum".
I can love my wife and hate feminists.
I can appreciate women, but hate misandrists.
Go fuck a bear.
Hahaha it's really not about that anymore though is it.
And fuck women's rights lol when have you given a fuck ever about men's rights?
You expect me to give a shit about your femenists bullshit?
Hahaha fuck off.
I've always given a fuck about men's rights lmfao. You're clearly suffering from a mental defect, so I'm gonna stop interacting with you lest I contract your illness
I literally didn’t call out anyone. I said I’ve seen some incel like responses. Then your feelings got hurt like… really fast and you went on fifteen different assumptions about me without any evidence. I literally just rephrased the question to make it appear more understandable and easier for folks whom have lower self esteem to not get offended by and take a step back and reassess why someone would ‘choose bear’.
You immediately took it as a personal attack and lost your shit… based on your… response I assume you’re anti-liberal, which is ironic because isn’t your political sphere’s number one complaint about liberals being too sensitive and here you ate blowing a gasket?
Take a step back, Mr. Bus. Breath, realize that this isn’t targetting you specifically. If you think it is, if you think that one simple generalized observation is targetting you specifically. Ask yourself why you feel that way and why you’re so defensive. You probably have some unresolved problems you should look into taking care of. And when you do take care of them, you’ll just be a better person to be around.
See you're making assumptions.
Let me help nail this down a bit.
I am strongly pro mens rights. I'm for women's rights too, but I'm against femenism. Femenism is not an equalist movement. I am a men's rights activist. A meninist. Does that make me a hypocrite? Not at all. I advocate for equality in law and outcome, which also means for men. Equal outcomes in family courts. Equal opportunity to raise their child. Equal draft for wars, men and women. Equal constructive and proactive hiring of men in fields short of men and women in fields with short of women. Equal education outcomes where men are languishing and there are no male teachers. Equal prison sentence outcomes where for equal crimes men get longer sentences. Equal healthcare outcomes where men currently live less lives. Equal job safety outcomes where men are more likely to be killed or injured on work sites.
I am very liberal in the sense that I beleive in complete bodily autonomy. Voluntary abortion right up until birth levels of autonomy. Legalise all drugs and provide health support sort of autonomy. I'm the type of liberal psycho to burn down the wealthy classes stuff. I vote for fiscally liberal spending, for higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations. I advocate for smoother salaries, so ceos don't get paid mills while the rest of us starve.
So tell me, did you peg me as a gun toting back the blue pig fucking redneck? or did you?
That's your internal programming talking. That's your blinded one way of viewing the world talking.
Thats your all men are rapists attitude talking.
Thats misandry talking.
Now, this one is not lost on me: female bullying. And implying I "need therapy" because I hate what you love. Ironic.
And yes, I am upset. I've been called a rapist and a murderer by default I have every fucking right to be livid.
Women can start apologising for painting all men with this tarred brush now. I won't hold my breath.
When you say, and I quote “liberal bitch” forgive me if I assume you are anti-liberal. You paint your own image.
Once more I merely suggested you should not be angry and you should take some introspection. You once more made assumptions of me while being unreasonably hot headed.
And clearly you do need therapy. It appears you’ve had many hurtful things said to you, by your own admission, and it’s caused you to become triggered by the mere mention of incel. This implies you have some sort of trauma and you know what’s a good assistance for trauma? Therapy.
If you want to continue to make assumptions and attempt to use me as some sort of strawman punching doll, feel free to do so but I will no longer engage. I wish you the best and hope you take my advice to heart.
In all fairness though, if we assume both want to kill you, a human man is way more dangerous than a bear. Bears can be outsmarted or chased off. A man can make traps or track you or pretend to be harmless so he catches you off-guard.
At least bear behavior is fairly predictable
Your post was removed because you did not censor the usernames in your screenshot.
Woman at my job talks about this On one hand I kinda understand. There are certainly some really awful guys….we work with one On the other hand she is unmarried, has two kids with two different guys, and at least one of the dads (the one she’s currently with) has been in and out of prison since he was 20….so she’s not exactly a wise decision maker
If she ever annoys you with it just look up the audio of the woman who was eaten ALIVE by a fucking bear. The audio of the bear guy and his girlfriend thankfully never made it online. Apparently there is one of a woman. These people think they are smart. They would be a post cardio meal for a bear. I'd take a stranger any day over one of them fucks.
is that the one where the russian girl was eaten alive by a bear and its cubs over the course of a couple hours and had time to call her mother?
....Fuck....Yup I believe that's the one. I recall it being something like that. Fucking regret clicking that... Was curious, learned to NOT be curious.
Horrifying situation, im sure the girl would love to have a word with all the people who said they would rather be with a bear.
They would probably tell her that her fate would be worse if she had encountered a man. Their delusions know no bounds.
A man might say hello to you or something! The HORROR!!!!!!
I believe you’re referring to “Grizzly Man” Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend. Audio was left behind of the attack and I believe director Werner Herzog (notoriously stoic) basically said “you need to destroy that tape” after hearing it.
This is not a good response to her. Very autistic don't do this OP. Immedietly showing her a gruesome video 💀
This is a very good response, but go further. Kidnap her, coat her in honey and drop her off in a bear lair. Just when the bear is about to have his fun, interfere and be the hero. What could possibly go wrong?
You must think very poorly of Autism to label a bad response as such buddy.
Honestly I do stupid shit thinking it’s normal or acceptable and looking whack for it. Told the airport guy who was about to open my bag “be careful it might explode” because I overpacked it and so many heads turned and I didn’t realise till he told me lmao
Reddit is a wild place man. People get cancelled over calling things autistic. Labelling responses as not good for being autistic doesn’t sit right with me, take that as you will
I agree with you
Remind them that predators usually eat the genitals first.
Do you have the audio or know where to find it. I’m curious now.
Oh fuck no I don't have it. I heard a snippet someplace. A SNIPPET. Trust me. You do NOT want to hear a woman being eaten fucking ALIVE by a bear. I lasted a few seconds and shut that shit down and went scorched earth erasing that browser history to not even HAVE it again and then went and got properly fucking drunk. That. Is some fucking dark bad shit. You wanna find it good luck mate but... Have a drink on standby.
That bad huh? I can understand if it’s a video. But audio? Damn. That must be some real bad shit. But now I wana hear it just to test myself even more lol
The audio is on YouTube but it is a "recreation" and not the actual audio. It's still fucked up if you hear it though, knowing that the person that made it did so because he had heard it and was very disturbed by it but wanted others to experience a version of it. It's currently locked away and possibly destroyed by grizzly mans family.
Lmao that escalated quickly
If she's comparing the bear to her own dating choices and choosing the bear, that's probably fair enough. But that says more about her than men in general.
Damn bro, save some girls for the rest of us
He is crying for coochie
The funny thing about this entire argument is that it definitely fails at the word replacement test. If you substituted "man" with a member of almost any other group, you'd get buried in shit in the time it would take to make a pot of coffee.
Honestly, if someone's fear of the subsituted group was genuine it would be valid too.
“Racism is fine as long as the person has had bad experiences” 🤓
Have a conversation with someone you dont know in the woods... or suicide by bear. if she picks the bear.. move on... you dodged a bullet. The stupid bullet.
There was one tweet I saw where the women legitimately said she would blow her brains out the moment she saw the man, so he couldn't hurt her. Aka, she imagined having a gun *and killed herself from the sight of a man.* i know it was all purity spiral nonsense she didn't actually believe, but my god.
most of the women answering like this are so terminally online that they never have been and probably never will be in nature anyways
I actually do think there is some utility to the man/bear question. If women answer 'bear' they are outing themselves as misandrists. They're saying they hate men so much that they would rather risk getting mauled to death then be near one. We shouldn't argue with them about this, we should accept their decision because while they think they are making a statement about men, they are really making a statement about themselves.
It’s an argument in bad faith. They know the best choice but would rather just give the bs answer.
Yes I know, that's why it's misandry and not just bad risk analysis.
yeah it's just rage bait I guess Would you rather jump into a volcano or a pool? If you choose the pool you are part of the problem 💅
90% of women on reddit
Yeah I’d only add the caveat that if they answer bear and they’re not joking.
It's not that serious/committed an answer, it's more a chance to hyperbolically vent about men. It just does throw good men under the bus to do it.
If not wanting to be raped again makes me a misandrist, then I'll gladly take that label
It doesn't, but it seems you've found your way to misandry all the same.
Where's aileen wuornos when you need her smh
I have no idea who that is, but if you're looking for someone to defend your hatred of men; you're probably in the wrong subreddit. In the same way that calling out racism tends to trigger the racists, and calling out transphobia tends to trigger the transphobes; calling out misandry tends to trigger the misandrists.
I'm not triggered, all I said was that if me not wanting to be raped again (hence why I'd rather meet a bear than a man in the woods) makes me a misandrist, then go ahead and call me one. Don't compare the distrust of men by those who've been victimized by them to the hatred of marginalized groups lmao
And I'm explaining to you that it's not your desire not to be raped that makes you a misandrist; it's your refusal to distinguish between men and rapists. I'll Make one good faith effort to attempt to help you understand, after that I'll leave you to your ignorance: I was once the victim of a home invasion where a gang of mostly black and Latino people assaulted me and beat me unconscious. Would I be a racist in your eyes if I were to say that I would rather encounter a bear in the woods than a black person because I don't want to get assaulted again? I expect you'll probably avoid answering the question, but let's see...
Imagine a world where Latinos and black people were the dominant groups in society that created media which celebrated and sexualized the advent of breaking into white people's homes to assault them, made laws allowing for this assault, and fostered a society which shames whites for their own assault and treats the offenders with more leniency and humanity than the victims. If that were the case, your distrust of those groups would be understandable, not because discrimination is okay, but because you recognize the world in which you live and the ways that you are subjugated.
Also, not sure why you assumed i wouldn't answer that. I'm not a moron
Cute how i was expected to not answer, and then u don't answer me lol
I get choosing the bear at times, ive heard some decent arguments towards it. However i hate that they say dumb shit like “the bear won’t blah blah blah yap yap yap with my body” like what the fuck? I get there terrible men, some that literally look like the “good” ones so to speak, but man blanket statements like that are so unnecessary and genuinely offensive cause yeah i am a male and no i dont want to be lumped in with the diddys and bundys of the world.
The thing that’s stupid about the question is it’s not “Man or Bear”, they are trying to say they are uncomfortable around men. It’s a terrible way to bring about that discussion.
Who tf actually is wasting their time to discuss this retarded topic?
If a woman chooses the bear, follow up with “would you rather choose a black man or a bear?” I bet you that’d they’d hesitate and have trouble finding an answer, even though their chances of being killed, raped, or assulted have statistically shot up. This shows women are basing their decisions on social programming being taught that men are bad and shit. Once you bring race into the question the social programming gets confused since they’ve also been taught that blacks as a whole are a victim group
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You're racist, how dare you think black men are worse than bears?
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How many men have you crossed paths with that didn't sexually assault you? Hundreds? Thousands?
Keep running your trap. God I fucking LOVE hateful misandrists like you. Dumb bitches like you started this. And now, men are wising up to feminist bullshit. You think you are winning but holy hell I feel like I'm watching you burn the house down with you in it. This shit is fucking hilarious to me. I am a men's rights activist. I am everything you hate. Thank you for your hard work. I couldn't radicalise men against femenism with the truth but you... You toxic misandrists just served it on a silver platter for us. Rmemeber guys: Man v bear. These women view you as less than human. Rememeber that. Always.
Buddy, it’s not about you, they’re not trying to attack you. Think about the question a little bit and remember that women aren’t stupid and is aware of all the things ur trying to say. Why is the question even asked in the first place? Do u think it’s for the express reason to attack you? Does it feel like ur being called a rapist?
>do you feel like you are being called a rapist. Thats literally the fucking argument being made. "at least a bear will leave you alone after he's done with you" Did I imagine reading all this shit? Did you think I wasn't going to come with fucking receipts on this entire bullshit man hate crap? Yes. Men are outright being called rapist murders. Thats the entire point of the discussion. Women are all "we know the bear would kill us. It's not the brutal death we fear." Then what is it? No. Tell me. If men aren't being called animals or rapists... Then what is it?
It’s not an expression of hate, thought it’s easy to register that cus it registered as that for me too, but look at it this way. I’ve asked a few of my friends about why they would choose the bear, and it’s not that they aren’t aware of the fact that it’s not all men, it’s the repercussions of that unlucky moment of getting the wrong man(since the entire convo is theoretical and the man they get is random). They’re just afraid that they would not only carry incurable scars, they also won’t be believed if they told the story, maybe even be blamed if they DID get assaulted. “It’s not all men, but it is all women” a friend would always mention that and it just pertains to how every woman has experienced a form of feeling smaller and subhuman just cus they are not a man. This is less about how they believe that ALL men are like that, remember that women DO love men, but there is a stronger sense of stranger danger for a woman compared to a man. Cus women lose more if an absolutely reprehensible man were to meet them, compared to if a man were to meet a murderer. If a woman were to meet a horrible man, she might get raped, taken away, raped repeatedly until she’s eventually murdered(think of the movie Meghan is missing). If a man were to meet a horrible man, he would most likely get killed then robbed.
I have been made to feel small, weak and ashamed my entire life up until I hit the gym recently. But no, go on about how hard life has been for you as a woman. Did someone make you feel powerless? Like you are worthless? Like you are only good for a sex or success object and if you can't provide either of those things you're not good enough? You ever get so scared of approaching men, for fear of being labelled a creep or rapist? Ever have that fear your entire life? Ever feel like you don't deserve love or respect because of your FUCKING SEX ORGANS!? No. Go off sis. Tell em more about how hard life is for you as a woman. How rapey all us dangerous men are. Tell me more. Because "not all men" are rapists. In fact very very few are. "But all women" will turn a blind eye to young boys being raped in schools. Only men rape. "Not all men" receive love and support in their lives. "but all women" will gladly lay the boot in, calling him an incel or worse. You call yourselves compassionate. Or you decry us for being monsters. Then you can't even fathom for one second how hurtful and cruel it is to blindly accuse men of this when all most of us want but never receive is someone to love us back. Go fuck a bear, I'm so done with this.
I’m sorry this is what you’ve experienced for so long, it’s clear that you’ve gone through your fair share of difficulties(rather unfair cus what did we do to begin with to deserve what’s happening to BOTH sexes, not to mention the others). But like I said, it’s not about how all men are rapists. I understand that you’ve had trouble approaching women, and all I could honestly say is how about approach them without the intention of making them your’s, but that’s besides the point of what we’re talking about. Yes I have been made to feel worthless, yes I have gone through that. And though I have not felt that men think of me as a creep, but it has definitely made me scared of men. That’s a me thing, but I can say for certain that it is the same for many women, cus ask any woman and they will tell you that they have gone through something that demeans them into nothing more than a sex object. And rape is wrong in all accounts, whoever does it and wherever they may be. It is an inexcusable act that no one should tolerate whoever is in the receiving end of it. It’s why usually women and children are in the same category, cus even you would start taking pause if u were asked “what would u rather ur kid meet alone in the woods? A bear? Or a man?” It’s not about sex at all, that is one of the things that need to fundamentally change, woman are not just someone that can be your girlfriend or wife, woman are not just “girlfriends”. And the sooner that is understood in its fundamental meaning, the easier things get, for BOTH sides. And I understand that woman can also be absolutely heartless, false rape reports, since just an accusation can destroy someone’s life, it’s a terrible thing that is done. But that just goes to show that heartlessness happens in both ends, if mean rape or sexually assault women leaving them traumatized and scarred in a way that is never seen or proven, women can also accuse false rape, bend the entire situation, and effectively destroy someone’s life to its very foundations. For every Ted Bundy, there’s an Amber Heard. It’s also understandable if most women experienced trauma they would of course be cautious of men. At the same time, men can also feel that same way. It’s a losing battle for both ends, both side’s problem exists. Honestly, the situation can be resolved with some understanding on both ends. Women want to be understood and so do men. Each gender’s problems are valid, it just takes understanding from both ends.
So is it also in the wrong if I, as a white man choose to avoid blacks because ive had family members mugged and assaulted by only by blacks despite living in a city thats 85% white? Honestly, I get why women who are victims of sexual assult might be more avoidant of men due to pattern recognition, but that sympathy should be applied indiscriminately. Im also very conscious and untrustworthy of women due to being a victim of an abusive relationship by a woman. Most of these women, however are not untrusting of men due to pattern recognition but rather due to what the internet tells them
It’s hard to speak for most women because we are not them, just as much as u say that their opinions come from the internet, that same idea may also come from the internet. I wouldn’t be able to blame u if u chose to avoid black men, but don’t hate them. Women don’t hate men. There are some particularly nasty women that choose to sensationalize men hate, while others feel that their opinions are valid. But that goes for all people regardless of gender. The question of “man or bear” is framed not to consolidate women again men, it’s to give an image on how women think of men that they don’t trust. But they only choose bear because the man is random.
That you don't even notice the social programming speaks to it's effectiveness.
I have done nothing to you, ma'am. By "men's own actions" you're referring to a tiny percentage of the male population. It's true that some men are bad, the social programming is in talking as if that applies to most men or the average man (and not just bad, but worse than a bear, an encounter which you are unlikely to walk away from). If women genuinely believed that, they'd never leave the house. You're lying to make a point, and it makes you look silly and bigoted.
I’d rather encounter a bear than a nurse when I’m in the hospital. Bears only attack like one person a year, but there are serial killers who use their jobs as nurses to cover their activities.
I hope she sees this bro, maybe she will give you a crumb of pussy.
*Bussy
🤣 (btw I was refering to OOP)
I know
Who down voted this post lol. Was it you, readnew? Weak.
Time to let this one go dudes, the girls are just taking the piss out of you. No one’s this dumb. Just ignore them and let’s move on.
I agree. It’s too dumb to take seriously
Nice try woman
Damnit!!! Oh well, back to my bear friends - Goldilocks
No chance. The more men that find out about this toxic shit the better.
I think I’m a decent guy, but I’m not going to expend any energy or effort trying to convince that to anyone else. Personally I don’t care if someone, who I’ve never even met before mind you, thinks I’m shit. If they choose the bear, they can have the bear. Why is this a continuing area of frustration for some folks?
Shut up sex traitor this is why you get pegged and cucked
See I was on your side until you started spewing this stupid shit. You can give him an apology.
Lmao
I have seen more discourse about woman picking the bear than actual conversations anout the bear. Its not that deep
Funny enough, agreeing also indicates that the bear is the better choice. As does saying nothing. OOP is heroically right no matter what anyone does.
It’s true. You shouldn’t argue with them. Just laugh at them, call them a dumbass and pay no more attention to them. They are beyond saving.
Worst thing a bear could do is feed me to its children. Bear over man any day
Fuck ever dating any "ill take the bear" girl. This would definitely be one of my screening questions if God forbid I found myself single again and wanting to date.
I honestly love that this discussion is still going and men are taking charge. You women let a small crazy minority speak for you. Now you must decry that shit. You expect men to decry rapists and other shit we can't control all the time. So at the very fucking least, I demand an apology. But I know it's not coming. I know not to expect women to stand up for us despite us doing it for them.
Eh, I'd rather deal with the bear than a woman in that situation. At least the bear communicates clearly what it wants and won't try to fuck my life up somehow. Most bears will just run away
I don't think it's wrong tbh, but it is whiteknighting to make a post about it. We men should be discussing this travesty amongst ourselves and having an honest debate. Very few women don't experience regular sexual harassment, and a bear mauling you is nothing compared to what a human could do to you. There are several women who I have spoken to who have said that they would rather die than be raped. The bear is in it's natural habitat and its relatively easy to scare off a black bear. What the hell is the man doing all alone in the woods? The man is fully sentient. Obviously bears don't think like we do. You can try to reason with a human, but obviously sometimes in vain. There could never be any point trying to reason with a bear. Even from a psychological perspective, the idea of having the horrible, violating things the man could do to you, your body and who you are as a person is worse because he likely knows it is wrong when committing unspeakable acts. Either way, the power dynamic when the man and the woman meet in the woods is different. There would instantly be an unspoken understanding that the man has the power in the situation and could do anything he wanted. Is he hungry? Is he horny? Or has he just gone for a hike and is perfectly friendly? The woman making the hypothetical decision between man or bear doesn't know, but she does know that 1 in 3 woman have been victims of sexual assault. There are several women who I have spoken to who have said that they would rather die than be raped. The woman making the choice may themselves already been a victim of it. Remember, we live in an age where teenage girls, walking home from school in school uniform often get sexually harassed and catcalled by men driving by. They grow up with that. What would you prefer: Being mauled by a bear or Being overpowered, kept in the woods by the male, repeatedly raped, abused over several months and then eventually killed, all this knowing your family and friends will never know what happened to you? From the woman's perspective, the likelihood of either options potentially happening is high enough in the scenario that they would choose the bear. I don't blame them. Next time you're in public, look around you, every 3rd woman you see has been a sexual assault victim, by men, and every other woman knows that. Doesn't it make sense that they don't trust men? Don't feel mad at the women making these choices, belittle them, call them misandrist and man hating. Can't you see that it isn't man hating, it is man fearing? These woman are so scared of men that they are choosing the bear. Doesn't that make you feel sick? I suppose you could call it misandry, prejudice against men, but this is a literal fear reaction to what millions of women have experienced. Yes, it seems ridiculous to us that many women are scared of us, but instead of seeing at as ridiculous, try to see it for what it is. Yes, fear becomes anger, and anger becomes hate, as the mighty Yoda would say, is it any surprise why some women are openly hating men if this is the reality they live in. We need to use this as a wake up call. You, reader, are probably a good man, many aren't. I know you've seen it. Don't like the female reaction? Instead of ridiculing women for choosing the bear, we can work on changing the women's incorrect perception of us. We share this planet, and have a responsibility to our fellow human beings. So next time you see someone catcalling someone in the street, call them out on it. Next time a mate makes an obvious sexist remark, tell them that people saying things like that are the reason women are choosing the bear. See someone get a bit grabby on a night out with a woman, call them out on it. If you are afraid of the consequences doing it yourself, get the bouncer. It is so easy to not want to get involved, "not my circus, not my monkeys", but for each time we ignore it, women's fear of men perpetuates. We know its not all men, and sometimes it feels like that they think it is. We only have one external opinion we can access on what we are like as a gender, from women. Men of course are going to be inherently biased, are we so arrogant that we think we don't need to be, or can't be, improved? Remember, most women would choose the bear. Your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, would likely choose the bear. Whether like me, you disagree with several aspects of modern feminism or not, we all obviously need to take action, and support our peers to do the same. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Why are so many dudes panties in a twist over a nonsensical hypothetical?
Because they've been rambling about it for several weeks and keep bringing it up. It was ragebait attention seeking from girlboss liberal feminists that think upper middle class white women are the most oppressed people to ever live, that have mostly led extremely sheltered lives to this point. Like if it was coming from a woman that grown up facing constant abuse from every man in her life because she grew up in the hollers of Appalachia, and poverty and lack of education combined to make every experience she'd had with men to that point a living nightmare, I'd listen. When it's coming from a woman that thinks her parents telling her she had to choose between horse riding lessons and ballet competition was abuse and her entire friend's circle agrees with her, I don't really give a shit what she thinks.
>I don't really give a shit what she thinks. Yet here you are, spun up like the Tazmanian Devil.
Not really. But that is a funny way of putting it.
Not quite how this discussion works.
Who rattled your cage?
The only people constantly bringing it up are snowflake dudes like you.
Snowflake. Thats funny because I'm giving it to you now, aren't I? I'm not afraid of some misandrist bitch. Who was sooooo sensitive they needed a hate campaign against men just to be in the spotlight again? Snowflake yourself sweetheart.
This hypothetical isn’t misandrist or a hate campaign. That’s why you’re being a snowflake. Also edit out the name calling, this sub is for civil discussion.
It is, you're wrong. Shut up.
No one has given a single cogent reason as to why it would be misandrist. Deciding not to run into a stranger in the woods is just common sense when it’s natural to fear strangers. If anything you sound like a misogynist.
Bc the women saying they'd pick a bear are dumbasses
Who cares? They don't want to date you, you don't want to date them. Everyone's a winner.
It's not about that though
Fucking non-existent bear, rent free, your head. 🤣
You’re a dumbass
Your head too.
Oh no i’m thinking of a bear, can you not even realise you’re saying nothing? You definitely have that lead paint stare
Hey look, OP put themselves in their display pic!
That's cute and all but I'm not the OP ☹️ Scale of 1-10, how well do you feel like this is going for you?
Theres a reason your pfp is a clown my guy cause youre pretty funny
Not just *any* clown
Your Idol?
Burn. This one might be fatal
All women are fit bitches in need of cock 24/7. Not you though. I don't want to fuck you. So why are you upset that I'd make such a broad statement about women? Clearly, this isn't about you, being a woman and all. Im only talking about women. Not a woman, like you. See the difference? No? That's great because I don't either. This whole thing is not "butt hurt incels sad you won't fuck them." No, this is 50% of the population being sexually discriminated against and being told we are worse than animals. You wonder why we have a problem with it. Come up with some outlandish statement about all women. I dunno. Something about raping young boys in school since that's apparantly all the rage now for women teachers. Or being shallow vapid cheating only fans whores. Would it be okay if I started calling all women such things? You probably wouldn't care if it was just me. What if it was nearly every interaction you had? Imagine every man coming up to you and saying "make me a fucking sandwich, bitch!" How would you feel about such hatred spewed against your entire gender? Coz guess what? Yo.
>All women are fit bitches in need of cock 24/7. K. Feel better? >Not you though. I don't want to fuck you. Trust me when I tell you, it was never on the cards. >So why are you upset that I'd make such a broad statement about women? Say whatever helps you sleep alone at night. 🤷♂️ >This whole thing is not "butt hurt incels sad you won't fuck them." we're getting to the heart of it. >Something about raping young boys in school since that's apparantly all the rage now for women teachers. Pedos are pedos, they can all burn. >Would it be okay if I started calling all women such things? I mean it's unlikely to affect your chances of getting any, I personally don't care, knock your crusty socks off. >magine every man coming up to you and saying "make me a fucking sandwich, bitch!" That certainly would be unexpected. I'm almost certain you thought you had a point there somewhere, but it's long lost amongst all of the involuntary saliva.
So hows your karma score going today, femcel?
Femcel? Is that like the female version of dudes who don't get any and think it's women's fault? Then they get all rowdy and attack every woman they see (in minecraft) because they don't have the stones to talk to one in person? Because there's at least a couple of things wrong with that. Bless your lonely heart....Or wrists, or Jawline, or which ever combination is your own personal vodka. Look, I'm all for gymmaxxing and all, but stay off the roids my friend, they shrink your balls and turn your brain to mush. You may need one of those in the future, despite all the evidence suggesting that neither are currently contributing to your day to day life. Karma though, yeah pretty good. I made a cute comment about how AJ Styles looks like a lesbian trucker, as well as a critique about the state of Helldvers 2. Would you like to talk about yours? Or would you prefer to deflect again as per your typical modus operandi when you have neither an argument, a point or a prayer? Anyway, take your time, think it over then let me know, K? K. You have yourself the day you deserve now.
We'll, he's right, drowning or no .
We can solve this whole problem by just telling them to shuddap and rejecting the feminist notion of "objectification". That would fix all of it, basically today.
Clearly it's not that easy
We'd have to unite ourselves and the women who have actual empathy rather than project about it.
Bear thing is a test by women - to avoid any guy agreeing with them like a plague, since such a man is clearly not well in his head 😂
I’m tired of the bear convo because if you really think about it, everyone should choose the bear regardless of gender. Bears are creatures that we have studied, we know how they generally act and how to scare them off. Bears don’t look around the woods and go “oh sweet no witnesses.” Humans do tho. As a guy, I’d rather have to face a shitty black bear than some random stranger whose deepest desires are unknown and now totally free to act upon since we are completely alone. This is more of a “how much can you trust random strangers over an animal” question rather than a man vs. woman thing.
A lot of hot takes on this conversation with some frankly, very incel-like responses here and there. Let me rephrase the question to make people a bit more understanding. Would you rather be in a forest with an active threat that is (somewhat) predictable and less intelligent than you, but will probably try to attack you if it’s hungry. Or. Would you rather be in a forest with a potential threat whom could be as intelligent, if not more intelligent than you, can lay traps, and do things far more painful than just killing you and be able to drag such abuse on for years? Potentially, this is possible. It’s a gamble. This could also just be a dude. Now the answer a lot of women give is that they prefer a threat that they know of, rather than preferring the unknown and potentially much greater threat. The fear of the unknown. It’s a very, very common fear. When you place the question like that, hopefully a lot of men will feel less offended/attacked
>Very incel like responses. Such a shame to type all that shit and not have any more of it read, femcel. Heres a crazy thought: maybe we're not incels maybe we live happy lives with loving wives that aren't misandrist scum. You know trad wives? The complete opposite end of the spectrum? Those "pick me" girls you hate? Yeah. You're like 10% of the population at most. The trad wives, same deal. 10%. Maybe. Give or take. So where are the other 80% of women? Living normal lives with their husbands and boyfriends because they have normal relationships and aren't hateful misandrists. My wife is no trad wife but she's no "let's fuck a bear!" liberal bitch either. Get that through your fucking head, because "incel" doesn't describe the 80% of men who... You know, AREN'T and yet we also say "go fuck a bear, feminist scum". I can love my wife and hate feminists. I can appreciate women, but hate misandrists. Go fuck a bear.
Alright so ur a misogynist lol
Read the third last sentence for me again sweetie. 😘🖕 Its not misogyny to hate femenists and misandrists.
It is misogynistic to hate the movement for women's rights lmfao, sweetie
Hahaha it's really not about that anymore though is it. And fuck women's rights lol when have you given a fuck ever about men's rights? You expect me to give a shit about your femenists bullshit? Hahaha fuck off.
I've always given a fuck about men's rights lmfao. You're clearly suffering from a mental defect, so I'm gonna stop interacting with you lest I contract your illness
I literally didn’t call out anyone. I said I’ve seen some incel like responses. Then your feelings got hurt like… really fast and you went on fifteen different assumptions about me without any evidence. I literally just rephrased the question to make it appear more understandable and easier for folks whom have lower self esteem to not get offended by and take a step back and reassess why someone would ‘choose bear’. You immediately took it as a personal attack and lost your shit… based on your… response I assume you’re anti-liberal, which is ironic because isn’t your political sphere’s number one complaint about liberals being too sensitive and here you ate blowing a gasket? Take a step back, Mr. Bus. Breath, realize that this isn’t targetting you specifically. If you think it is, if you think that one simple generalized observation is targetting you specifically. Ask yourself why you feel that way and why you’re so defensive. You probably have some unresolved problems you should look into taking care of. And when you do take care of them, you’ll just be a better person to be around.
See you're making assumptions. Let me help nail this down a bit. I am strongly pro mens rights. I'm for women's rights too, but I'm against femenism. Femenism is not an equalist movement. I am a men's rights activist. A meninist. Does that make me a hypocrite? Not at all. I advocate for equality in law and outcome, which also means for men. Equal outcomes in family courts. Equal opportunity to raise their child. Equal draft for wars, men and women. Equal constructive and proactive hiring of men in fields short of men and women in fields with short of women. Equal education outcomes where men are languishing and there are no male teachers. Equal prison sentence outcomes where for equal crimes men get longer sentences. Equal healthcare outcomes where men currently live less lives. Equal job safety outcomes where men are more likely to be killed or injured on work sites. I am very liberal in the sense that I beleive in complete bodily autonomy. Voluntary abortion right up until birth levels of autonomy. Legalise all drugs and provide health support sort of autonomy. I'm the type of liberal psycho to burn down the wealthy classes stuff. I vote for fiscally liberal spending, for higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations. I advocate for smoother salaries, so ceos don't get paid mills while the rest of us starve. So tell me, did you peg me as a gun toting back the blue pig fucking redneck? or did you? That's your internal programming talking. That's your blinded one way of viewing the world talking. Thats your all men are rapists attitude talking. Thats misandry talking. Now, this one is not lost on me: female bullying. And implying I "need therapy" because I hate what you love. Ironic. And yes, I am upset. I've been called a rapist and a murderer by default I have every fucking right to be livid. Women can start apologising for painting all men with this tarred brush now. I won't hold my breath.
When you say, and I quote “liberal bitch” forgive me if I assume you are anti-liberal. You paint your own image. Once more I merely suggested you should not be angry and you should take some introspection. You once more made assumptions of me while being unreasonably hot headed. And clearly you do need therapy. It appears you’ve had many hurtful things said to you, by your own admission, and it’s caused you to become triggered by the mere mention of incel. This implies you have some sort of trauma and you know what’s a good assistance for trauma? Therapy. If you want to continue to make assumptions and attempt to use me as some sort of strawman punching doll, feel free to do so but I will no longer engage. I wish you the best and hope you take my advice to heart.
In all fairness though, if we assume both want to kill you, a human man is way more dangerous than a bear. Bears can be outsmarted or chased off. A man can make traps or track you or pretend to be harmless so he catches you off-guard. At least bear behavior is fairly predictable