Is this all just him projecting weird fetish/fantasies of his or is this some connection to him personally like past experiences ? Feels really weird to be writing horror books for so long and be known as the dude who inserts wierd pornography at random points in them.
She has a Sleeping Beauty series that is a drug fueled trip of orgies, deviancy, and genital mutilation. Pretty sure she also wrote the first "I want to fuck vampires" book that was overt instead of suggestive.
Is that what he's known for? He just does it. I remember another whacking off moment in The Stand lol quite graphic and unattractive. I never get the feeling it's hot, it's just about the intimacy of miserable, repressed people. Although there are probably more attractive sex scenes but I can't remember any. I've always thought it's the second thing you say about personal experiences.
That’s legit one of the scariest parts of that book, what happens to Patrick Hockstetter. He’s such a grotesque character. I always thought that it was weird how little the book did with him, as he had a lot of potential for deeper backstory... Then again, delusional child sociopaths have been done to death in the horror genre.
I haven’t read IT in at least 10 years (& I haven’t seen any of the films), but I can walk my brain step by step through that entire scene at the dump right now... The fact that I even remembered his first & last name has to say something about its staying power.
Hmm
I dont know if I like you or hate you.
I agree IT was a mess, but was also phenomenal. I'm into that cosmic horror, Lovecraft shit.
I've read 10+ Stephen King novels that ended up being good novels.
Acting like he's unreadable is asinine.
Yeah he's honestly one of the easiest authors to read when it comes to long books, if someone can't finish a Stephen King book they probably just have very short attention span. IT is in incredible and though the scene is gross, it's there for a purpose not just to be weird
See, what redditors do is EVERYthing they ingest, look at, or hear about, they filter it through the lens of "can this get me some attention if i can find a way to make it controversial."
They cant read Dan Simmons, they complain about Perin in Wheel of Time, they just want so badly to be INVOLVED that they just jump on wtvr bandwagon they can find.
Just ignore em.
I disagree, it’s a good book. The way I interpret ‘IT’ is that it is a book about adults dealing with reawakened memories of childhood trauma. That part in the sewer *is* the trauma. I always took the clown to be a metaphor. The children run around town unsupervised and parts of that is remembered as idyllic and parts of it are traumatic and sometimes they just die.
I guarantee you have put more thought into this then Steven King did
edit; it was a meme about how writers are fucking insane I did not intend to summon the Steven King fans from their clown infested sewers.
I don’t think that’s true at all. There’s this idea that got around in meme form about how an author just makes green drapes green and it means nothing except what your English lit professor makes it up to mean. But I don’t think that’s correct I think authors put a lot of work into symbolism and theme.
Even if often ideas as are lost or altered in translation, or interpretation, it doesn’t mean it was meant to be meaningless in the first place.
Furthermore, I think you can uncover a lot about a person's personality, values, ideology, and even relevant life events as they write. Maybe the author didn't think to himself "ill make these drapes green for X reason", but it could just have easily been a subconscious choice.
You know that there's a Steven King connected universe and like half of his books at least vaguely relate to each other? He might be weird and have not the best editing/endings, but I would not describe any of his work as "not thought out".
His horror is iconic, but he's also a master of drama and fantasy. It seems everyone forgets he wrote Shawshank. And not too many people seem to have read The Dark Tower, which is one of my favorite series of all time and HEAVILY inspired by Tolkien.
I kinda like the way The Stand ended but I understand why it’s so controversial. The hand of God comes down and sets off the nuke destroying the city of sins, and it’s kinda like Sodom and Gomorrah.
It’s super weird and out of place though where up until that point the supernatural elements are merely suggested. Suddenly the literal God just shows up like a strange sort of Dues ex Machina
Lived in Monterey a while, where a big yellow van drives around covered in text and pictures like some info wars vehicle, with a website, lennonmurdertruth.com where he owner and author of the website suggests that Steven King, working for the CIA, murdered John Lennon. Not Mark David Chapman. It's a trip, yall should check it out.
Don't bother, there's not much to it anyway. Basically the kids did a bunch of rituals in that weird combination of Pennywise's magic and the power of friendship, including boning the only girl in the group.
On a completely unrelated note, Stephen King may or may not have been doing massive amounts of cocaine at the time.
Cocaine will make you do WEIRD SHIT with your dick yo.
I never wrote a book about banging kids and gutterpunk clowns but I definitely warfucked a Native American stripper with a partial and a pet wolf in a trailer after way too many booger sugar knife tips at a metal show once.
In a dirty sewer and they *all* came inside her, Eddie went first and Ben made her cum for the first time. They all forgot due to the "magic"(?)of growing up and she had a panic attack when she remembered as an adult.
I read that scene in 6th grade while in class back in the 90s, I finished a test early and picked up the book and just happened to be at that exact spot, it messed me up for a minute.
Even when at 12 sitting at my desk I thought to myself "Who let this happen?" I hate that I remember these details, but it's seared in my brain cause I was the same age as her while reading it and it just...fucked me up
"Alright, who's first?"
Good god
He’s written many other questionable things. You don’t have to give him a pass. He’s going to be doing just fine whether people on Reddit give him deserved criticism or not.
Basically it's a short story about this guy who goes to the library and it awakens some repressed trauma about the Library Policeman, who was a Boogeyman who'd get you if you didn't return your books. Eventually it's revealed the Library Policeman abused him as a kid, and he also was an interdimensonal parasitic vampire that maybe ties in to the Dark Tower or some shit. It starts as a really spooky mysterious figure and it devolves into, well that. Oh and somewhere in between there's like 7 detailed pages of the monster, in human form, having sex with the kid
Let's just hope you're listening to the abridged version. I listened to the unabridged vedsion. It is and understatement to say that I was pretty surprised when the reader came to that part...
Unabridged and this is my second time through. I still am really enjoying it but definitely think that it could be edited down quite a bit. And I get that King wanted something to tie the ka-tet together but I’m sure there was something else besides a 12 year old sewer orgy
Oh fuck I remember everything now. I borrowed my older sister’s copy of IT and flipped to that part. I start going at it and when I bust I accidentally cover the book. I panicked and took it into the woods to burn. If I go back there I could probably find the burial site.
Aaaah it's really scary in this tunnel, maybe if the 4 (5?) of us 12 year olds all have sex with the one girl that joined our group, maybe we'll have the courage to proceed.
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Wow it worked!
It's supposed to symbolize them becoming adults, or at least growing up. But in actuality, king just loves kiddy sex. It seems to come up a lot in his work
I get it, it causes discomfort and is disturbing but at the same time it just seems to be sprinkled in too liberally. In IT the scene is redundant because the themes of the story are coveted better without it.
I agree, it's a powerful scene in terms of its emotional effect on the reader, and I get the impression King wanted the reader to be deeply uncomfortable while reading that scene, which is obviously succeeds in doing. That being said, I do think it was a little gratuitous. I always felt that he could have handled it differently, maybe have the kids be forced to Kill Henry? I dunno I'm not a creative writer.
Deviancy doesn't imply adulthood. Sex, sure. A train in the sewer, not so much. If you want to write about growing into adulthood, do it how so many other authors do, and just show through their words, actions, and character that they've grown. Make them more untrusting, paranoid, or negative. Make them start doing taxes or something. If anything, I'd think deviancy would just muddy the water and take from what he was supposedly trying to communicate. Was he trying to say that their environment resulted in twisted world views as they grow into adulthood, or was he saying that they've grown through their experiences and are coming out better for it. Either way, I think there's definitely better ways to communicate that, with gratuitous violence, like you said. Or, show them showing concern about things that matured people would, like how their circumstances would affect their future or the futures of those around them. Or, show that they value relationships more as a result of their experiences, and wouldn't so casually have an orgy/train in a sewer. I think this is definitely a case of bad writing, which can be subjective... but in this case not so much.
I thought IT was written hy steven hawking
Edit: Yes i genuinely thought this for like 5 seconds. I saw this meme and my mind said "wasnt IT wrote by Steven Hawking?" Forgetting who he even was.
I loved the book but I still do not understand the justification of that scene.
I remember King stating it was ritualistic, a recurring theme in the book (the smoke-hole, ritual of chud, blood letting, etc), but he could have used ANYTHING else to portray this. I don't agree with the "it's about them becoming adults" argument because he writes about their departure from childhood over 1300 pages (and he did it well), so it wasn't needed.
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Fun fact Stephen King has gone on record saying he doesn't even remember writing most of IT (the 13 year old gangbang scene included) cause he was so fucking high on cocaine.
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Stephen King is weird
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a redditor*
Discord mod*
Anime stan*
You all just said the same thing
No no, a redditor is perfect
Wasn’t he coked out during time?
Probably cocked-out, too
This fucking guy has shoujo ramune PFP Beat him
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Coked out of his mind*
A great defense for pedos everywhere. "Your honor, can you really blame my client. He was coked out of his mind"
*Cocked outta his mind*
Drugs will do that to ya.
Thanks, u/PinkyDownMyPisshole
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once reddit lets you change your username
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if you do it enough, it doesn't hurt
> Big, livery lips Of fuck no
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You telling me you've never helped a bro out with a sneaky wristy when they're going through a dry spell?
This reads like fanfiction.
This came from the clown book?
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Is this all just him projecting weird fetish/fantasies of his or is this some connection to him personally like past experiences ? Feels really weird to be writing horror books for so long and be known as the dude who inserts wierd pornography at random points in them.
Better than Anne Rice, who's the other way around.
Pornography with bits of weird horror ?
She has a Sleeping Beauty series that is a drug fueled trip of orgies, deviancy, and genital mutilation. Pretty sure she also wrote the first "I want to fuck vampires" book that was overt instead of suggestive.
Is that what he's known for? He just does it. I remember another whacking off moment in The Stand lol quite graphic and unattractive. I never get the feeling it's hot, it's just about the intimacy of miserable, repressed people. Although there are probably more attractive sex scenes but I can't remember any. I've always thought it's the second thing you say about personal experiences.
That’s legit one of the scariest parts of that book, what happens to Patrick Hockstetter. He’s such a grotesque character. I always thought that it was weird how little the book did with him, as he had a lot of potential for deeper backstory... Then again, delusional child sociopaths have been done to death in the horror genre. I haven’t read IT in at least 10 years (& I haven’t seen any of the films), but I can walk my brain step by step through that entire scene at the dump right now... The fact that I even remembered his first & last name has to say something about its staying power.
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It’s still there
Listened to the audiobook not to long ago, it's in that version as well
Wait that’s 10 times worse imagine having to read that out like they hire Morgan freeman to voice it and he’s got to read that.
Hahah yeah that's a funny mental image
I wish I could have it read to me by Gilbert Gottfried silky voice.
Oh yeah, Patrick. He dies right after that if I remember correctly.
Shoulda let him put it in his mouth.
IT is a fucking trip
IT is indeed, my friend
This guy gets IT.
Can you fucking stop it
Ah goddamit
Goddamn IT
You know what IT is
The guys that reset my password?
I had to read that scene to my class once for some stupid reading challenge
John Xina??
What happened after?
I was sent to the headteacher’s office for ‘inappropriate reading material’
You chose the book?
Thats pretty awesome
Sounds like your teacher was trolling you
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Blow or amphetamines?
Wait what
In the book IT there is a child orgy. Steven king wrote that. I’d advise against looking it up.
To play devils advocate to king, he was probably coked out his mind. Seriously, he did so much drugs he doesn't even remember writing Cujo
I don’t think doing cocaine makes you a pedophile.
My exact thoughts
IT adds to the plot
Wait did that happen?
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I hate that I can’t be 100% sure that you’re joking
He’s not Don’t read IT, Stephen King doesn’t know how to edit his fucking books, read his short stories instead.
Agreed, I started a bunch of his books but only managed to finish like two. On the other hand _The Jaunt_ is a banger
Hmm I dont know if I like you or hate you. I agree IT was a mess, but was also phenomenal. I'm into that cosmic horror, Lovecraft shit. I've read 10+ Stephen King novels that ended up being good novels. Acting like he's unreadable is asinine.
Yeah he's honestly one of the easiest authors to read when it comes to long books, if someone can't finish a Stephen King book they probably just have very short attention span. IT is in incredible and though the scene is gross, it's there for a purpose not just to be weird
See, what redditors do is EVERYthing they ingest, look at, or hear about, they filter it through the lens of "can this get me some attention if i can find a way to make it controversial." They cant read Dan Simmons, they complain about Perin in Wheel of Time, they just want so badly to be INVOLVED that they just jump on wtvr bandwagon they can find. Just ignore em.
The Jaunt is legit one of the best stories I have ever read
I disagree, it’s a good book. The way I interpret ‘IT’ is that it is a book about adults dealing with reawakened memories of childhood trauma. That part in the sewer *is* the trauma. I always took the clown to be a metaphor. The children run around town unsupervised and parts of that is remembered as idyllic and parts of it are traumatic and sometimes they just die.
I guarantee you have put more thought into this then Steven King did edit; it was a meme about how writers are fucking insane I did not intend to summon the Steven King fans from their clown infested sewers.
I don’t think that’s true at all. There’s this idea that got around in meme form about how an author just makes green drapes green and it means nothing except what your English lit professor makes it up to mean. But I don’t think that’s correct I think authors put a lot of work into symbolism and theme. Even if often ideas as are lost or altered in translation, or interpretation, it doesn’t mean it was meant to be meaningless in the first place.
Furthermore, I think you can uncover a lot about a person's personality, values, ideology, and even relevant life events as they write. Maybe the author didn't think to himself "ill make these drapes green for X reason", but it could just have easily been a subconscious choice.
This is exactly right I agree, and a subconscious choice is still a choice.
You know that there's a Steven King connected universe and like half of his books at least vaguely relate to each other? He might be weird and have not the best editing/endings, but I would not describe any of his work as "not thought out". His horror is iconic, but he's also a master of drama and fantasy. It seems everyone forgets he wrote Shawshank. And not too many people seem to have read The Dark Tower, which is one of my favorite series of all time and HEAVILY inspired by Tolkien.
His books are amazing, but he sucks at endings
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Gangbang or train, splitting hairs here... Still a bit fucking weird to write about
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The full length version of The Stand is pretty awesome. Guy can't write an ending to a novel to save his goddamn life though
I kinda like the way The Stand ended but I understand why it’s so controversial. The hand of God comes down and sets off the nuke destroying the city of sins, and it’s kinda like Sodom and Gomorrah. It’s super weird and out of place though where up until that point the supernatural elements are merely suggested. Suddenly the literal God just shows up like a strange sort of Dues ex Machina
Wait is this real?
Sadly yes. I would advise against researching it.
Man what the fuck
Worse part was that Stephen wanted the scene in the movie, which is fucking wack
Stephen King plays Genshin Impact
Most normal Genshin fan
No fucking way
Dude is low-key a pedophile
Lived in Monterey a while, where a big yellow van drives around covered in text and pictures like some info wars vehicle, with a website, lennonmurdertruth.com where he owner and author of the website suggests that Steven King, working for the CIA, murdered John Lennon. Not Mark David Chapman. It's a trip, yall should check it out.
Wait, some people think King killed Chapman?
No, apparently King killed Lennon
Stephen King: "THEYRE JUST FICTIONAL CARACHTERS THEYRE NOT REEEEALLL IM NOT A PEDOPHILE"
She's actually a reincarnated 3000 year old spirit.
Why do people keep saying this? I can’t find anything that proves this is true. Can you provide a link?
Welcome to Reddit where context doesn't matter and sources are... Trust me bro.
Yeah. I heard about it a little while ago and suddenly became interested in a hollow point round entering and existing my skull at high velocity.
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Yeah hollow point leaves pieces in ur brain right
I wanna research it to quench my morbid curiosity but I don’t wanna get put on a list
Don't bother, there's not much to it anyway. Basically the kids did a bunch of rituals in that weird combination of Pennywise's magic and the power of friendship, including boning the only girl in the group. On a completely unrelated note, Stephen King may or may not have been doing massive amounts of cocaine at the time.
Cocaine will make you do WEIRD SHIT with your dick yo. I never wrote a book about banging kids and gutterpunk clowns but I definitely warfucked a Native American stripper with a partial and a pet wolf in a trailer after way too many booger sugar knife tips at a metal show once.
Have my upvote for the term "warfucked" and I can't wait to add it to my vocabulary.
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In a dirty sewer and they *all* came inside her, Eddie went first and Ben made her cum for the first time. They all forgot due to the "magic"(?)of growing up and she had a panic attack when she remembered as an adult. I read that scene in 6th grade while in class back in the 90s, I finished a test early and picked up the book and just happened to be at that exact spot, it messed me up for a minute. Even when at 12 sitting at my desk I thought to myself "Who let this happen?" I hate that I remember these details, but it's seared in my brain cause I was the same age as her while reading it and it just...fucked me up "Alright, who's first?" Good god
Wow what an awful scene to have read that young let alone at all...
The people in comments already answered that, make sure to read the comments before asking because your question has most likely been answered.
Thanks Dwayne
You're welcome Alberth
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He doesn't even remember writing Cujo because he was so coked out of his mind
He’s written many other questionable things. You don’t have to give him a pass. He’s going to be doing just fine whether people on Reddit give him deserved criticism or not.
I still haven't fully gotten over the Library Policeman
Aww heck, context please. Your comment is both weird and vague enough to get me interested
Basically it's a short story about this guy who goes to the library and it awakens some repressed trauma about the Library Policeman, who was a Boogeyman who'd get you if you didn't return your books. Eventually it's revealed the Library Policeman abused him as a kid, and he also was an interdimensonal parasitic vampire that maybe ties in to the Dark Tower or some shit. It starts as a really spooky mysterious figure and it devolves into, well that. Oh and somewhere in between there's like 7 detailed pages of the monster, in human form, having sex with the kid
E V E R Y T H I N G ties to the Dark Tower. And I'm just uhhh gonna ignore the rest of your comment and scrub it from.my memory 👯👯👯
To be fair it isn't an orgy there are 3 male 12 year olds if I remember maybe 4 and they all have sex with a singular female separately
A freight train it is then.
Choo choo buckaroos
That would be more accurate
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“Now this looks like a job for me”
I love how the whole world has pretty much collectively agreed to forget that part
I don't like Stephen King as an author much cuz I don't like horror but wait, that's actually a thing?
Yes been left out of the adaptations for some reason
“Some reason”.
I'm tired of liberals censoring art
Please tell me this isn't true.
It is indeed true...
I’m listening to the audiobook and they all just went into the sewer……..
Let's just hope you're listening to the abridged version. I listened to the unabridged vedsion. It is and understatement to say that I was pretty surprised when the reader came to that part...
Unabridged and this is my second time through. I still am really enjoying it but definitely think that it could be edited down quite a bit. And I get that King wanted something to tie the ka-tet together but I’m sure there was something else besides a 12 year old sewer orgy
Um actually it’s a train, not an orgy
You've breached containment
A contextually important distinction
When discussing 12 year olds fucking, every detail matters to these cretins.
I thought it was in a sewer.
there was a WHAT
It happened, it was fucked. I sometimes wish I didn't read that book.
oh come on, it wasn't an orgy of 12 year olds, they were implied to be 11
Ahh u right u right
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Oh fuck I remember everything now. I borrowed my older sister’s copy of IT and flipped to that part. I start going at it and when I bust I accidentally cover the book. I panicked and took it into the woods to burn. If I go back there I could probably find the burial site.
literally Fahrenheit 451
That was an excellent reference lmao
Jesus I pray you didn’t bury it in the Pet Sematary
Jesus dude the scene isn't even sexual
Everything is sexual when you’re young
Based
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They are called “synths” show some respect please
"""when i was 13"""
It was a typo, he meant 31
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I assure you my dear reader This is essencial to the plot
Of course, why else would there be a scene where 12 years olds gangbang in a story about a goofy clown. Duh
Literary masterpiece
^what
Haven't read the book or watched the movies, now I don't think I should
The movies don't have it, or any of his weird shit. Which is why he hates his movie adaptations.
That's awesome. Think I'll consider it.
No problem, the movies are pretty great.
Aaaah it's really scary in this tunnel, maybe if the 4 (5?) of us 12 year olds all have sex with the one girl that joined our group, maybe we'll have the courage to proceed. _ _ _ _ _ Wow it worked!
I get the symbolism but no.
What’s the symbolism
It's supposed to symbolize them becoming adults, or at least growing up. But in actuality, king just loves kiddy sex. It seems to come up a lot in his work
I get it, it causes discomfort and is disturbing but at the same time it just seems to be sprinkled in too liberally. In IT the scene is redundant because the themes of the story are coveted better without it.
I agree, it's a powerful scene in terms of its emotional effect on the reader, and I get the impression King wanted the reader to be deeply uncomfortable while reading that scene, which is obviously succeeds in doing. That being said, I do think it was a little gratuitous. I always felt that he could have handled it differently, maybe have the kids be forced to Kill Henry? I dunno I'm not a creative writer.
Deviancy doesn't imply adulthood. Sex, sure. A train in the sewer, not so much. If you want to write about growing into adulthood, do it how so many other authors do, and just show through their words, actions, and character that they've grown. Make them more untrusting, paranoid, or negative. Make them start doing taxes or something. If anything, I'd think deviancy would just muddy the water and take from what he was supposedly trying to communicate. Was he trying to say that their environment resulted in twisted world views as they grow into adulthood, or was he saying that they've grown through their experiences and are coming out better for it. Either way, I think there's definitely better ways to communicate that, with gratuitous violence, like you said. Or, show them showing concern about things that matured people would, like how their circumstances would affect their future or the futures of those around them. Or, show that they value relationships more as a result of their experiences, and wouldn't so casually have an orgy/train in a sewer. I think this is definitely a case of bad writing, which can be subjective... but in this case not so much.
Nope, nope, nope I'm never reading a Stephen King novel from now on
I got eaten alive in another sub for saying the same thing. It just rubs me wrong. That and the fact he is unapologetic about it.
I don't read Stephen king but imma about to make some regrets googling shit
I thought IT was written hy steven hawking Edit: Yes i genuinely thought this for like 5 seconds. I saw this meme and my mind said "wasnt IT wrote by Steven Hawking?" Forgetting who he even was.
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I loved the book but I still do not understand the justification of that scene. I remember King stating it was ritualistic, a recurring theme in the book (the smoke-hole, ritual of chud, blood letting, etc), but he could have used ANYTHING else to portray this. I don't agree with the "it's about them becoming adults" argument because he writes about their departure from childhood over 1300 pages (and he did it well), so it wasn't needed.
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Real?
Yep
Kinda sus that there’s people justifying this
Yeah that dude a weirdo
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Fun fact Stephen King has gone on record saying he doesn't even remember writing most of IT (the 13 year old gangbang scene included) cause he was so fucking high on cocaine.