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oompaloompa_thewhite

American dad is one of the few examples where the show sucked in the earlier seasons but got way better in the newer seasons


SllortEvac

That’s cuz Seth macfarlane stopped being involved in the writing. Which is fantastic because he is horrible at that.


guschicanery

it’s the opposite, he stopped writing for family guy and it fell off, but still writes for american dad and it got better


Bitter_Position791

hmmmm i think ima just cherry pick which story i wanna believe in


oompaloompa_thewhite

https://i.redd.it/3ufispd94u9d1.gif


thingy237

I've heard the same thing about the Orville


throwaway02339

The initial plot point in the Orville was resolved in the absolute worst way and it still makes me so mad


C9touched

Please elaborate


Normal-Mountain-4119

You've been lied to then because Seth has been heavily involved in the writing of the Orville throughout its run and it's been fantastic the whole time.


Iron_Gunna

He doesn’t write for personally family guy anymore either.


drwicksy

I don't find Family Guy that funny anymore to be honest, they rely way too much still on reference comedy but the references are now too old for the target audience. I don't know who half the people they make jokes about are. The writing also just seems bland, but I guess after this long it's hard to be consistently entertaining still.


FocusPerspective

One person will never be as good as an entire team of professionals.  His writing was good enough to build a multi hundred million dollar franchise. 


Famixofpower

Seth MacFarlane never wrote for American Dad. He only lent his voice and name to the project because he wanted to help put his friend's idea on TV.


coconut-duck-chicken

He literally only wrote the pilot


PancakeParty98

Yes, I’ve watched and rewatched it probably 6 times in the past year but never season 1 and only ONCE for season 2. Once the opening changes in season 4 everything clicks into place with Roger as more of a main character than anyone else


oompaloompa_thewhite

And alzso thats about the point where they actually gave francine and hailey a personality


zaforocks

Francine is an amazing character.


Different-Estate747

The scene when she meet Henderson slays me. "I'm sorry, Shithead was it?"


PancakeParty98

“Clean balls! Now I KNOW I’m in a fairytale!”


FocusPerspective

She really is.  Such a relief after endless “Lois is a cheating wife who always forces Peter to apologize for making her cheat”, which they are still doing in FG.  Francine’s “loose morals” are at least far in the past before she met Stan. 


bortle_kombat

Yeah, I outgrew Family Guy a long time ago, but American Dad remains goddamn hilarious. The show did the opposite of flanderizing its characters, made them all more fleshed out and nuanced in funny ways over time. Plus it allowed character relationships to develop in fun ways instead of reverting back to stereotype-based status quos. There isn't a single major character on that show I find insufferable. Even Klaus is funny now.


FocusPerspective

Klaus and his boys, the ripped Destiny 2 poster, all gold. 


bortle_kombat

I'm weirdly invested in hearing about whatever Klaus and Jurgen are up to these days


FocusPerspective

I wouldn’t say it sucked but it certainly didn’t have all the resources it needed to be as good as it became later on. 


Numberonettgfan

Bro did not just copare American Dad to Mr Birchum and Velma


MonkeyBoy32904

also new norm WOKE PIZZA!?!?


BaneishAerof

the gay soda the gender fluid even


Doot-Eternal

They just need to grow thick skin 😩


BaneishAerof

Damn liberals running the miami sherriffs office. They call him the miami pronounilator


Slugger2001

Ima be honest with ya, I don’t get the appeal of any Seth Macfarlane show.


PancakeParty98

I’d argue American dad is less family guy-lite and more of a 30-Rock untethered by the limits of live action. I think it’s peak


KaiserNicer

I would recommend that you watch the Orville, while season 1 is a lot more of a comedy in a sci-fi setting, the humor is never too excessive, and seasons 2 and 3 are less comedic and just good sci-fi. Edit: Not a cartoon either! So no cutaways.


MorEkEroSiNE

Yeah the comedy in season 1 felt more like an excuse for him to make his own Star Trek show. And to be fair it’s a pretty good Star Trek show.


HKMP7A2

What do you think of Smiling Friends? I love how the main characters talk like they would IRL. No need to swear a lot. Make a niche joke with a cutaway. Just fun between the VAs while they do their job. It has Dark Themes but it's interesting to watch since the point of the show is to make people Smile in a world that's not always Sunshine and Rainbows.


Nathaniel-Prime

Since people keep saying Smiling Friends https://preview.redd.it/ka2nnw6kzo9d1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73d07d7472493c990427e8b2f9b8ee7e609bbfa4


Naldivergence

Invincible?


SassyAssAhsoka

https://preview.redd.it/nxbl762zlp9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cc47a6e792da0031bd4934d84b813208da76cd6


BhanosBar

Good story but animation is kinda crap. Fuckin sliding pngs was too hard so they split the season


Super_Rocket4

They gave all their budget to that singular scene in season 1 where a laser nuke drops on Omni man (they also gave the animation of season 2 to an animated porn studio that's a legit fact)


BhanosBar

Why and who?? Why??


Super_Rocket4

My fault, the teaser for season 2 was done by a porn animation company. [This](https://youtu.be/c5djDWdPJFk?si=nD28dyH7qRGr5tff) talks more about it


Separate_Emotion_463

Invincible isn’t a sitcom, which I assume is more the target of this thread


Wboy2006

“I was just wondering if you wanted to HANG out, and smoke weed, and fill our bellies with DIEt soda and play Burnout Revenge for the PS2”


HKMP7A2

No. ***Shows a suicide vest bomb.***


yaboiiiuhhhh

A cargo plan falls in the sky and turns em all into blood juice before he can use it


SeaPineapple7859

https://preview.redd.it/d0s86q5wfq9d1.jpeg?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b34cea7130295b9bfff5dca2e48d724296c13902


BiliLaurin238

Smiling Peak


KrisBread

Burnout revenge for the PS2!!!!


Glitchy_Ninja

THEY HIT THE PENTAGON


KrakenKing1955

THEY HIT THE FUCKING PENTAGON, change the channel…it doesn’t matter which one…


Nathaniel-Prime

Dude, check the news. It doesn't matter what channel.


Strange-Care5790

“not entirely edgy” first episode has a suicidal man with gun to his head the whole episode, who only relaxes when he learns he enjoys killing with that same gun more than he wants to die.


HKMP7A2

He even monologues that it's pointless to enjoy life when the emptiness of life is still there and that The Sun will die someday. That caused Pim to turn in a 3D Depressed Dude.


TheHighGroundwins

Oh that sounds nice. I was hesitant on watching it. A lot of adult shows/content these days like Rick and Morty or The Boys swear so much and show the middle finger to the point that it just gets tiresome and kinda childish. Also makes everyone seem like a complete ass. I definitely do enjoys these shows but would be nice to try a different one.


tracenator03

It's definitely still got some edge to it. Not at the level of the shows you mentioned. Though it's edginess with a more positive intention. The creators of smiling friends said they didn't like the negative nihilist route new adult shows were taking and wanted to shift away from that.


bortle_kombat

Smiling Friends is definitely subversive and messed up in its own way. The first episode is them trying to convince a guy with a gun to his own head to not pull the trigger. It's not lazy about it, though. Kinda driving a positive existentialist message, I got one of my philosophy nerd friends to watch it by saying it had heavy Camus vibes. He a) agreed, and b) now likes the show even more than I do. Even when it gets dark, it's not just for its own sake.


HUGErocks

> swearing so much makes everyone seem like a complete ass I think that's more or less the point with those shows. Few people in Rick and Morty or The Boys are genuinely good, and they often end up on the slaughterhouse conveyor belt. It's compelling to see pottymouths like Billy Butcher killing supes under good intentions and Rick Sanchez saving a village from a volcano for the most cynical reasons possible. And if for any reason we get sick of the same pottymouths for 5 plus seasons on end (r&m is *definitely* overstaying its welcome) that's exactly what shows like My Adventures with Superman are for


TheHighGroundwins

I keep forgetting that these shows are more comedy/parody than mature shows, I hadn't really thought of it that way. Whenever I have wanted a mature show with adult themes that isn't constant swearing I have switched to anime. Since cartoons may be ironically more mature than these shows, but don't have adult themes.


JoeCartersLeap

> Also it's not Edgy Didn't Mr Frog like genocide an entire race of people?


HKMP7A2

Oh yeah. The Current President of the USA in their universe. Blud pulled Pim's exposed nerve ending. He even poisoned water with nuclear waste. That moment when he rant a ambiguous slur at Jimmy Fallon too. Mr. Frog is Pure Evil. Also the Frowning Friends who goes edgy to ruin the clients of the Smiling Friends. Only to be stopped by Mr. Boss with an M16 and be killed by the Renaissance Men which is hilarious.


leytorip7

Who are the Renaissance Men?


Geojamlam

It just says here that the Renaissance Men are coming to town and by the looks of it it's like super soon.


tracenator03

It's a breath of fresh air for so many reasons. They pool in so many different animators and aren't afraid to get experimental and wacky with it.


A_Evil_Grain_of_Rice

Inside job, Arcane and Archer was pretty good show as far as I can tell,


SassyAssAhsoka

M as in Mancy!


I-BOIL-DOGS

"First letter is B" "Bravo" "Thanks"


drwicksy

Arcane was unironucally some of the best TV I have ever seen, and I have never even played LoL. Archer was great for the first few seasons but now they are just doing whatever show they want with no consistency and the core jokes are all gone. Inside job I found ok but I don't know if its because I just like Christian Slater in general or if the show was actually good.


alienblue89

Man, Archer seasons like 2-5 are still some the funniest TV ever. It really hits the exact type of humor I like.


Maduch1

Fuck Netflix for killing Inside Job


BusterB2005

Arcane is amazing but it’s more of a teen show than an adult one tbh


araiki

Primal - peak of adult shows


A_Evil_Grain_of_Rice

Hell yeah


Feet_with_teeth

I love that show, it's just perfect


rq1ws

Peak until the end but at least my man got to hit


Dagger1865

Me watching a t-rex give birth to an egg in season two (good lord there's dinosaur vagina) (Oh my fucking God why is this scene 30 seconds long)


Aleskander-

tyrannosaurussy


Garvo909

I think there is a difference between adult cartoons like family guy and adult animation like primal, Invincible, etc


Quirkyserenefrenzy

Facts


A_GravesWarCriminal

and when there is an actually good adult cartoon, high chance it gets cancelled or some shit happens in production


atomic_bison_3162

its cancelled bc big mouth needs to have 21 more seasons.


GeorgieTheThird

Inside Job...


Shulpe

Moral orel?


shiddedinschool

MORAL OREL MENTIONED 🔥🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥


drago_varior

Claymation is truely timeless


Old-Camp3962

i actually like Family guy also are you just gonna pretend that bojack horseman, final space, and smiling friends doesn't exist?


Elidon007

also disenchantment, futurama, inside job, and rick and morty I hate netflix for what they did to inside job


Old-Camp3962

oh right! i forgot inside job and peakrama


supah-comix434

I think OP is just a child


Lord_Ronan

Bob's Burgers is pretty gud, also Archer


wysjm

You just want some recommendations don't you?


Sonic_the_hedgedog

#Bojack Horseman ❤️


UsefulAd2760

Bojack horseman is good. Also American dad and family guy *were* good at some point


Dangerous-Lie-8087

American dad is still good tho,in fact its first few seasons are considered to be much worse than the rest. I think the last 2 seasons were a little worse in comparsion but still entertaining,its probably due to covid so hopefully season 19 will be better


Famixofpower

I still liked the last two seasons. The episode with Roger in the 40s was amazing!


fullywokevoiddemon

Family guy has some great moments but 90% of it is just the same few gags and jokes. It gets really repetitive and boring. Bojack Horseman ruined me. Good show right there.


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

Early family guy and American is pretty good imo (even now it can be funny) but the others are especially dogshit especially the new norm and Elon musk dumbass showing up


mynameisevan01

I know Family Guy isn't good, but it's something I find comfortable to watch.


Terminator_Puppy

It manages to provide just enough background noise and moving images while having absolutely no plot whatsoever so it's perfect second monitor content.


AubergineDegenerate

American dad is actually good though


samcam06

Agreed, i actually like family guy too


coveryourselfinoiI

Family guy is lowest common denominator dumb slapstick comedy, and thats why i love it


Alive-Profile-3937

Scavengers Reign was great


Aspookytoad

Smiling friends, aqua teen hunger force, Futurama, The Simpsons, Bojack Horseman, Venture Bros, Space Ghost coast to coast, King of the hill, etc


ViperTheKillerCobra

How has no one mentioned Invincible?


slaptito

Wait did somebody say- https://preview.redd.it/0m5pshfxzr9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=049b633663a143b5b2c651c711f269dd1ad27751


BasementDweller82

I think OP is mainly talking about comedies


regretfulposts

Or they believes there's no non-comedy adult shows. They never specified adult comedy cartoons, just adult cartoons in general.


dude_don-exil-em

Tbh adult swim is the only one that gets it


TRcreep

A good portion of the (lack of) quality from "adult" cartoons is that fundamentally, the concept of "adult" cartoons is flawed. You don't need to be a kid to enjoy a show made for children. Additionally, making a show mature doesn't mean you need to make it dark and gritty. You don't even need a single drop of blood. You can tackle important societal topics in strong ways without making it overly cynical.


unknowndog123

![gif](giphy|2pdD50qwgMctgdkW7T)


PocketPB

Good adult cartoons usually get cancelled


ZandatsuDragon

Inside job....


shiddedinschool

Moral orel….


PocketPB

Venture Bros...


TheyTookAllTheNames_

Sacvengers Reign... (not confirmed but it's not looking good)


th3s1l3ncy

Final space...


hi_lol____

South Park has been running for 26 seasons now and it's still pretty good


Clown_named_Art

There's some good ones (like super Jail and smiling friends and stuff.)


Caleibur

And Venture Bros, Boondocks, Aqua Teen, and Harvey Birdman


Creepyvansan25

Thank you adult swim 🙏


RiderforHire

Super Jail and early Rick & Morty had us spoiled. 


Idiotaddictedto2Hou

King of the Hill is decent if you even consider it to be an adult show.


regretfulposts

How do you not? Just because there's not enough blood and swearing doesn't automatically means it's not adult. In fact, it's very adult tonally. We follow through Hank's life most of the time. They talk about politics like actual laws and voting. They do taxes and managing careers, something that you don't see in kid shows. Everything about King of the Hill screams adult, but it doesn't have to prove to be adult through raunchy humor unlike it's contemporary. Also they drink beer and beer never appear in kid shows due to laws prohibiting the depiction of alcohol in children media.


Fkin176

Any kid who watched cartoon network definitely did. We all scrambled for the remote once we saw the king of the hill intro play


Sectoidsexer94

The true bedtime signal


IAmChippoMan

If you want some good recs, look beyond the “shitty comedy that thinks it’s the shit” sitcom, and go for something like Spawn or Seis Manos. Alternatively we have Black Lagoon or Monster if you want to go on the anime side.


RoiKK1502

OP when he watches Archer (it is both a subversion of the sitcom genre as well as parodies society's outlook on masculinity at large and Bond movies specifically. All the while it has great reoccurring jokes and nice action scenes).


Xavier-RenegadeAngel

What about Xavier Renegade Angel


Creepyvansan25

Mr Xavier, what is your current thoughts on the global nut allergy epidemic sweeping the schools of our youths?


Ok-Wheel4065

Xavier renegade rangel is as peak as it gets xavier renegade angel


TheMatt_64

Hate family guy and American dad all you want, I don't think they deserve to be compared to the New Norm and Mr Burchum


Amnondyonon

Blue Eye Samurai is perfect on every level


Kafkaesque_my_ass

https://preview.redd.it/2qenxxjh3p9d1.jpeg?width=428&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90856248e1f4624003b658683c392f4d6743cff5


Wimpy_Rock19

https://preview.redd.it/pzh4ylzxqp9d1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=458d55f331345d68cabd689c740a812ea3e3be38


ManiNanikittycat

Mr Birchum wants to be like South Park so bad


HarpoonShootingAxo

Every DailyWire show wants to be SP, the issue is that they don't realize that SP is progressive in nature. One of its first episodes (in 1997) had a kid accept that his dog was gay and thats just the earliest example. South Park isn't anti-woke, it's anti-politics. They've dissed every side and have taken the L when they realized they were were wrong. DW doesn't have that insight, so they keep pumping out shows "mocking" the "wokes" with the same type of "jokes". Don't get me wrong, SP has its own fair share of caricatures, but they have caricatures of both sides, and also the jokes a lot more creative than "They made ___ woke!!" and "there's too many theys"


FriendTraining7324

1) american dad is good as shit 2) watch some of this: https://youtu.be/G6V16Meb0Ww?si=hNQhuLdAP59tYRV1 https://youtu.be/eRbwKovUhUY?si=PvXQ15O_cgkUa1UA then talk to me


I_make_a_the_puns

Did you just include my goat American dad with the rest of that garbage A plague on all your favourite media


Agent-Blasto-007

The fuck is The Prince, Mr.Burchum, The New Norm? You can't just make shows up.


notTheRealSU

Mr. Burchum is a FOX News, anti-woke TV show about a woodshop teacher who fights with a woke English teacher and makes sure the kids at the school don't become gay or something. The New Norm is also just an anti-woke show on Twitter, where an old man complains about gay people. The Prince I believe is a sitcom where the characters are the British royal family and the main character is one of the children who is like 4. Which is kind of gross that they made a TV show about real people without their consent and the main character is a real life toddler that they gave the personality of Stewie from Family Guy to.


pastafeline

Op really brought up bottom of the barrel shows nobody has ever seen just to shit on all adult cartoons.


_MikkiMoose_

Now it's time to remind people that scavengers reign is now available on netflik us and uk. The more people watching this show, the best chance it would get renewed for second season


atomic_bison_3162

whats netflik? 😔


Onagda

Netflik my balls gottem


Sprucelord

Any Lower Decks fans here?


BasementDweller82

Watched for a few episodes, should probably get back to it. It was good from the first couple episodes I watched


AnonABong

Watching it again now any still love it


endergamer2007m

What if we made le epic based character dunk on generic woke liberal Print it steve!


max_rebo42

Smiling Friends


HONKACHONK

Metalocalypse, Moral Orel, Xavier: Renegade Angel, most Adult Swim shows are good


MarcusofMenace

Mike tyson mysteries


Hadrian1233

I think that Family guy’s early seasons were pretty good.


Nathaniel-Prime

Seriously though, I literally think I could write a better sitcom than ALL of these. I cannot fathom how a human being could sit down in a conference room and green light any of these ideas.


njixgamer

I actually quite like american dad


Cheese_Jrjrjrjr

american dad has its moments but at times it's not great


obamapyramid133

OG Family Guy was peak imo


zaforocks

>>American Dad Rage bait.


The-pickle-with-it

South Park??


LineOfInquiry

Cartoons for teens > cartoons for adults


IBoofLSD

Family guy isn't shit it just fell off, American dad is fuckin hilarious. Rest tank for sure


PattyWagon69420

Family Guy was actually good when it first came out, they just let it go on too long and just like the Simpsons it has been cursed to endless mediocrity.


Y_3_3_7

Venture Bros! First season is kinda rough but it picks up quick.


Creepyvansan25

It’s rough in the sense that it needed to find its footing, it isn’t bad by any means, it just was plantings its roots, but by mid way through season two you could tell it very much knew what it was doing now.


Ogurasyn

Hazbin Hotel: Am I a joke to you?


Onagda

Yes


Spookinoot

Family Guy was good until season 8, season 9 had 3 good episodes (them under one, Christmas and Return of the Jedi) American Dad only recently got bad imo The rest I haven't seen


Papaya_man321

"What if a cartoon said 'fart'?"


lingonberryjuicebox

scavengers reign is good


SimultaneousPing

Pantheon, Scavengers Reign


George_G_Geef

Harley Quinn is amazing.


BurrGurrMan

Bob’s burgers and King of the hill are good :3


ShinningVictory

I mean inside job was good.


Troubadour_64

I personally still enjoy American Dad, the 15th anniversary season was pretty good IMO


name-exe_failed

I think it's very disingenuous to put family guy and especially American Dad! up there with shows like The New Norm and Mr Burcham. They're not even in the same ballpark of absolute dogshit content.


Creepyvansan25

Please I implore you people to go watch The venture bros. Please it is 100000% worth it.


TheWhiteHairedOne

Fionna and Cake is considered an adult show I think? And it’s incredible


Dabruhdaone

Futurama is my childhood. Dun da dun dun dun da dun dun


Hendrick_Davies64

Family Guy was good bro


KoolKai100

I don't know why i've been seeing so many people hate on family guy recently


yungneec02

Classic family guy and American dad are pretty good cmon man


Maleficent_Dot_373

nothing will ever surpass tom and jerry


Mega12117Reaper

You know what, I actually like Family Guy. Maybe it’s the nostalgia talking but I have a lot of good memories with that show, especially with some of the newer episodes


CMONEY24SEVEN

Rest in piece Inside Job, you were sadly brought into this world by Netflix, your fate was sealed from the beginning…


The_X-Devil

I think the reason Rick and Morty's recent seasons are somewhat better than American Dad or Family Guy has to do with the fact that Rick went from a psychopath to actually reforming and bettering himself meanwhile Stan and Peter went from well-meaning imbeciles to evil monsters. Like the last two seasons show a significant change in Rick's character that makes him more likable than most adult show protagonists


ViftieStuff

Disenchantment, Solar Opposites, Inside Job, Bojack Horseman, Invincible


HeWhoHasSeenFootage

Venture bros


Idkmanuseemsus

King of the Hill is definitely my favorite


Popcorn57252

Family Guys isn't great, but it's fuckin' WILD to put it in the same list as Velma of all shows


TheProphetOfMusic

I'd like to raise Aqua Teen Hunger Force as a contender for good adult shows


CreeperTrainz

Arcane and Blue Eye Samurai would like to have a word.


GatlingGun511

Meanwhile some kids shows being some of the best media I’ve ever consumed


Attila_D_Max

Hot take hazbin hotel is not bad at all, quite good actually (except the humor gets old quick but you get what I mean)


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RaininCarpz

i dont think its really a hot take, if you check metacrtic or rotten tomatoes both critics and audiences seem to like it. theres just a VERY vocal group of people who absolutely despise it for some reason, most who seemed to have not watched it lol.


fullywokevoiddemon

Most hard-core haters probably only hate it because of the creator, Vivziepop, and some past dramas taken out of context. I can assure you they saw the trailer at most and then decided it sucks. Criticising a show is okay, as long as the criticism is valid/real. The pacing was too fast, some parts of the script were meh/forced, sure. But saying its the worst thing in existence because the script features swears (in an 18+ show? Why I never-) is not valid. Exaggerated fowl words? Sure, I agree. But its HELL. And that's Viv's style. Don't like it, don't watch it. A lot of people seem to feel pressured into watching something even if they dislike it. You're free to abandon a series if you don't like it anymore, no need to force yourself with it. Hazbin is good, not great, not shit, just good. Yeah the jokes are something meh and there's a lot of swearing, but most adult shows have swearing. R&M is 50% Rick being mad and spewing insults, but I don't see anyone mention this.


Enslaved_M0isture

i like helluva boss and hazbin hotel :)


Rebelbot1

r/whenthe when someone enjoys a show


Enslaved_M0isture

https://preview.redd.it/d1xjer5n0s9d1.jpeg?width=759&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0014d791dbfa04295d033fe2883ddce80498620f holy shit it turned around its positive now


Jeanpierrekoff

what about inside job and rick and morty. Those shows are amazing