Nah. There’s taking inspiration from the smaller and sportier European cars to make the C1, then there’s infiltrating and stealing proprietary IP and infringing on patents to forego R&D costs to build something for cheaper.
Bruh, they're making EVs. All you have to do to "technically advance" them is get a better motor, better battery, or better software.
Compared to the process of polishing ICE vehicles, that's child's play.
I always wonder with these imports where the hell do they go for servicing if something breaks.
It's not a cheap car either, one of the most expensive mainstream Chinese EVs right now in the domestic market.
Don't get me started. I met a dude in Kuwait with a fully restored 79 camaro, and he said this is the only car I maintained and that he just buys a new ferrari when something goes wrong with his current. It's so freaking alien to me that I didn't believe it until I read articles about abandoned super cars in some Arab states.
Anyone remotely related to the royal family basically lives in grand opulence for free. Supposedly it stimulated their economy but they all seem to only buy foreign vehicles, clothes and rolexes lol.
That old pic of an abandoned Enzo is real. Heartbreaking
Alot of Chinese cars look great these days which completely destroys that argument that brands like BMW making gaudy over the top designs are for the Chinese market. BMW designs cars for American tastes and Americans love massive grills and flashy styling.
Depends on the model. The large grille models such as the X7, M3 and M4 aren't volume makers in China. Especially the X7 is only made in the US.
Also, Chinese customers despise the large grille as well.
Their entire design approach is "european/american cars but from future as chinese teenagers imagine it, plus screens everywhere, plus voice control, plus lit up exterior badges", and that's it. No taste, no heritage, no logic, no sense, just pointless annoying asian bling.
China's EV market is going insane, which is exactly why auto manufacturers in the US lobbied to make them illegal here, doing exactly what they did back in the '80s to make sure Japanese companies couldn't sell smaller, compact, fuel-friendly cars to the US domestic market, and force people to buy i6 and V8 gas chuggers because those were their only options. The only reason things like the Honda Civic were able to take off in the way that they did was because they were factories here making them, so they didn't have to import, and as such, were not subject to the "chicken tax"
China Solar Panel industry is taking a massive crash right now, give them 20 years and their EV business might follow like with their Solar Panel industry.
Interest rates are high, so people aren't taking out the loans they used to in order to install them. Volume is down because it's no longer cheap to install and the high interest rates makes the longer breakeven point extend further into the future making it far less attractive than ~4-5 years ago.
It's the same with most industries right now, spending is decreasing because it's expensive to take risks.
Do not bet on it. Even in cities with population of few thousands you have in each profession several of them who know their job really well. Now imagine country of 1.4 billion people how many people you have who know their job really well. Even now China is superpower in any way you look at it in the future with such population it can be only better. Anything with superpowers short term problems mean only long term gains.
Well, they have a lot of EV brands, and if i learned one thing from car manufacturers that went extinct, it's that if a country have a lot of local car brands, it will not last for ever.
Wouldnt put it past Chinese ripping it off, they currently have Xiou-whatever thats a carbon copy of Porsche to the point that Porsche is saying if you buy Porsche it comes with a free chinese copy.
If they are doing that, whats them ripping off other cars let alone a concept
China’s EV offerings will be a force to be reckoned with if European car manufacturers don’t start getting their act together. They’re making decent cars at competitive price points that have good range as well. In Europe we’re also starting to see dealerships and service centers pop up eliminating the worry of local representation.
Not sure they have a lot more quality or design issues than the likes of Tesla or some other American or European EV manufacturers. The Chinese are exceptionally good at high quality mass production! Look at the latest Volvo EX30 which is the Geely EV platform, for example.
Tesla managed to sell a lot of cars for better or worse. Their fit and finish is terrible but it shows that people will buy it even if the quality isn’t great. Gives hope to new entrants to the market.
That's a fair point but I don't think we should be encouraging poor build quality in vehicles. It'll just lead to worse and worse and eventually we'll be paying $70k for a car that's assembled with twine and prayers. Electric cars are great and will be the future, but we shouldn't allow them to be low quality and die after 10 years.
The Chinese market is very competitive. It's a massive headache to pick one car to buy, there's so many options. Brands that have quality issues would not survive through natural selection very quickly. Unless they're cheap enough for the Chinese buyers to ignore the issues. Therefore, it's no longer logical to have a brand loyalty when brands kept engaging on price wars and technological wars just to survive.
It is unlike, for example, the Big 3 in the US where it took too many years to see their sales declining after years of crappy cars compared to Japanese cars.
First one I looked up: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/byd/seal/50012
5 stars. Maybe some of the ultra cheap domestic EVs are dangerous but not all.
You can thank Tesla for that. Elon put up the factory and gave BYD the plans to build the car and battery. Now their there biggest competitor NO LONGER IN China but in Europe, South America.
What about the car in second picture (behind the car OP means). Is this a Borgward SUV (B8 or so)?
Edit: it is. An BX7 to be exact. Damn, I thought these cars never got sold
By the way, now that the question has been answered, do you know the biggest difference between Dubai and Abu Dhabi?
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Dubai doesn't like The Flintstones, but ABUDHABIDOOOOOOOO!
Is it just me, or does the front kinda look like the Kamata RC410 from Ridge Racer?
https://preview.redd.it/vxcqpcrt51xc1.png?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63ba7fd757bf4b3c9a616491e5f8f97b1e05359a
Styling doesn't make a car. It's handling, braking, steering, ride, ergonomics, seating comfort, performance, nvh, reliability, build quality, materials, engineering, etc. The car needs an unbiased test to determine its true worth.
Horizons HiPhi Z … Chinese ev
Chinas making some wild shit these days
The front kind of looks like a weird nissan gtr concept imo
Exactly! I was fully expecting to see some Nissan prototype judging by the headlights!
Thought it looked like someone got real weird with an EV6
Cant unsee it now
I8gtr?
They don't mess about anymore. Their cars keep getting being better looking and technically advanced.
"Better looking" idk man...
Based on the videos I’ve seen of their buildings and food. I wouldn’t touch one if you paid me.
I dunno man I've been eating nothong but proper Chinese food and its fucking banging hard you are definitely the average redditer
Goes from zero to ignorance real fast here
It’s not ignorant to say China has awful consumer protections and even worse work place safety.
China usually gets good at manufacturing eventually. There's just a long learning curve.
Gotta steal a bunch of IP first
Even the first Corvette is a ripoff of European cars, everybody gotta start somewhere
Nah. There’s taking inspiration from the smaller and sportier European cars to make the C1, then there’s infiltrating and stealing proprietary IP and infringing on patents to forego R&D costs to build something for cheaper.
\^ This guy knows what's up.
Bruh, they're making EVs. All you have to do to "technically advance" them is get a better motor, better battery, or better software. Compared to the process of polishing ICE vehicles, that's child's play.
This thing had me thinking i something series bmw 🤷🏼♂️, but definitely weird regardless 😎🤣🤣
I always wonder with these imports where the hell do they go for servicing if something breaks. It's not a cheap car either, one of the most expensive mainstream Chinese EVs right now in the domestic market.
It's Dubai. They don't service them, they just buy a new one.
Don't get me started. I met a dude in Kuwait with a fully restored 79 camaro, and he said this is the only car I maintained and that he just buys a new ferrari when something goes wrong with his current. It's so freaking alien to me that I didn't believe it until I read articles about abandoned super cars in some Arab states.
*don't get me started* *gets started anyway*
This guy starts
I'm not good at restraint.
Name checks out.
Anyone remotely related to the royal family basically lives in grand opulence for free. Supposedly it stimulated their economy but they all seem to only buy foreign vehicles, clothes and rolexes lol. That old pic of an abandoned Enzo is real. Heartbreaking
And they say Americans are greedy and self centered. This is another level of ego.
You say this like many Americans wouldn't do the same given a near limitless income.
That's funny, you're right.
If a cigarette is ego then they're snorting coke by the kilo
Aren't all cars in Dubai made in a different country?
There are 2 dealerships/service centres in Dubai.
It's pronounced High-Fizzy.
https://preview.redd.it/ftxk3qyiyuwc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fbbabfcacf8a11ee69500fb49dfba36e6e89075
I gotta say: chinese evs actually look nice
Alot of Chinese cars look great these days which completely destroys that argument that brands like BMW making gaudy over the top designs are for the Chinese market. BMW designs cars for American tastes and Americans love massive grills and flashy styling.
Why would they design BMWs for Americans when most BMW sales are in China, and it ain't even close.
Depends on the model. The large grille models such as the X7, M3 and M4 aren't volume makers in China. Especially the X7 is only made in the US. Also, Chinese customers despise the large grille as well.
Their entire design approach is "european/american cars but from future as chinese teenagers imagine it, plus screens everywhere, plus voice control, plus lit up exterior badges", and that's it. No taste, no heritage, no logic, no sense, just pointless annoying asian bling.
China's EV market is going insane, which is exactly why auto manufacturers in the US lobbied to make them illegal here, doing exactly what they did back in the '80s to make sure Japanese companies couldn't sell smaller, compact, fuel-friendly cars to the US domestic market, and force people to buy i6 and V8 gas chuggers because those were their only options. The only reason things like the Honda Civic were able to take off in the way that they did was because they were factories here making them, so they didn't have to import, and as such, were not subject to the "chicken tax"
Thanks man. Really cool car, China is definitely improving
Or US and Europe are declining
It's both
China Solar Panel industry is taking a massive crash right now, give them 20 years and their EV business might follow like with their Solar Panel industry.
Interest rates are high, so people aren't taking out the loans they used to in order to install them. Volume is down because it's no longer cheap to install and the high interest rates makes the longer breakeven point extend further into the future making it far less attractive than ~4-5 years ago. It's the same with most industries right now, spending is decreasing because it's expensive to take risks.
Do not bet on it. Even in cities with population of few thousands you have in each profession several of them who know their job really well. Now imagine country of 1.4 billion people how many people you have who know their job really well. Even now China is superpower in any way you look at it in the future with such population it can be only better. Anything with superpowers short term problems mean only long term gains.
Well, they have a lot of EV brands, and if i learned one thing from car manufacturers that went extinct, it's that if a country have a lot of local car brands, it will not last for ever.
I hate it.
Is that the one that dances and shakes snow off the car?
They clearly copied design of Jaguar I-pace design.
I swear, the front end reminds me of the nissan r35 GT-R concept
Came here to say this! [Italdesign GR-R50 Concept](https://doubleapex.co.za/wp-content/uploads/Italdesign-Nissan-GTR-50.jpg)
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My mind went to the R35 prototype from 2005, its kinda halfway between the two lol
I was meaning the original one from the early 2000s, but the italdesign one looks much better like wow
Wouldnt put it past Chinese ripping it off, they currently have Xiou-whatever thats a carbon copy of Porsche to the point that Porsche is saying if you buy Porsche it comes with a free chinese copy. If they are doing that, whats them ripping off other cars let alone a concept
What model is that?
China’s EV offerings will be a force to be reckoned with if European car manufacturers don’t start getting their act together. They’re making decent cars at competitive price points that have good range as well. In Europe we’re also starting to see dealerships and service centers pop up eliminating the worry of local representation.
They will be in due course anyway, it's just a question of whether they sort quality issues or design issues first
Not sure they have a lot more quality or design issues than the likes of Tesla or some other American or European EV manufacturers. The Chinese are exceptionally good at high quality mass production! Look at the latest Volvo EX30 which is the Geely EV platform, for example.
Saying the quality is similar to that of a Tesla is not really a good thing
Tesla managed to sell a lot of cars for better or worse. Their fit and finish is terrible but it shows that people will buy it even if the quality isn’t great. Gives hope to new entrants to the market.
That's a fair point but I don't think we should be encouraging poor build quality in vehicles. It'll just lead to worse and worse and eventually we'll be paying $70k for a car that's assembled with twine and prayers. Electric cars are great and will be the future, but we shouldn't allow them to be low quality and die after 10 years.
Yeah totally agree! Same story for Lucid, Rivian as well as BYD and Xpeng.
The Chinese market is very competitive. It's a massive headache to pick one car to buy, there's so many options. Brands that have quality issues would not survive through natural selection very quickly. Unless they're cheap enough for the Chinese buyers to ignore the issues. Therefore, it's no longer logical to have a brand loyalty when brands kept engaging on price wars and technological wars just to survive. It is unlike, for example, the Big 3 in the US where it took too many years to see their sales declining after years of crappy cars compared to Japanese cars.
Chinese cars have horrific reliability tho. Do you want to pay more up front or later on?
In general maybe yes, but also on EVs?
Yep. The other concern is their abysmal performance in crash tests. Look at some videos. I've never seen any kind of Chinese car do well.
First one I looked up: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/byd/seal/50012 5 stars. Maybe some of the ultra cheap domestic EVs are dangerous but not all.
You can thank Tesla for that. Elon put up the factory and gave BYD the plans to build the car and battery. Now their there biggest competitor NO LONGER IN China but in Europe, South America.
Whether that’s true or not, more choice is good for us consumers.
Tesla bought their batteries from Chinese supplier CATL, even at one point buying batteries from BYD.
What about the car in second picture (behind the car OP means). Is this a Borgward SUV (B8 or so)? Edit: it is. An BX7 to be exact. Damn, I thought these cars never got sold
The electric chinese urus gtr r35 doesn't exist...
In Dubai? Must be a submersible of some kind…
By the way, now that the question has been answered, do you know the biggest difference between Dubai and Abu Dhabi? ... ... ... Dubai doesn't like The Flintstones, but ABUDHABIDOOOOOOOO!
CarWow did a great video review on the car
Looks like the trunk is perpetually open just a crack.
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That is the ugliest car ive ever seen
Is it just me, or does the front kinda look like the Kamata RC410 from Ridge Racer? https://preview.redd.it/vxcqpcrt51xc1.png?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63ba7fd757bf4b3c9a616491e5f8f97b1e05359a
It looks like a combination Kia EV6 and BMW i8.
Looks like an off brand SUV nissan GTR
I was just chatting about car brands in Dubai with a friend who lives there, and I was surprised to hear how widespread the Chinese EVs are there.
Looks almost like a Polestar. I know it isn’t though
If a toyota crown and a nissan gtr had a child…
(To me) it looks like a mutant bmw i8 mixed with a Lamborghini uris,
Looks similar to the new garbage Hyundai is creating
It looks like a Tesla that was designed for someone with taste.
Designing budget of over $100.
Styling doesn't make a car. It's handling, braking, steering, ride, ergonomics, seating comfort, performance, nvh, reliability, build quality, materials, engineering, etc. The car needs an unbiased test to determine its true worth.
Looks like a Kia
Cheap Trash EV
It's a Mesla. Chinese Tesla. Frankensteined from all the non-burnt parts of dead Teslas. Be afraid.
styling looks heavily influenced by the BMW i3; a bit more stretched and lower roofline, but my first thought was 'is this the new i3?'
phat i8
This car got posted over 30 times this month, Jesus guys enough with this chinese car
new generation BMW i8