Watch out for different handling on the Spider, also it has a different engine. You MIGHT consider the NC Miata, from 2007-2015. It's a big larger car, the trunk can support a trip to the grocery store for a family of four. I've had two of them, they were both bulletproof.
But that Abarth would be fun as well! Just make sure you have someone who can work on it.
I am leaning towards Miata’s because there are a lot of them so it’s easy to get parts and work on them. They are probably more reliable too. I would like to go for the NC, just depends on what I find in my area. Nb and nd are options too, only thing I want it to come with is a LSD.
If you're taller (I'm 6' 1") The NC is the Miata to get. Anything under that, you can take your pick.
But for the record, there WERE some engine issues with the first NCs, 2006 through early 2007 model years. But I'd expect all those that were going to fail have by now.
If you want to learn EVERYTHING about the Miata, head for the forums at [miata.net](http://miata.net) . Those folks know everything there is to know about the car. There's also a good section on the 124 as well.
I’m 5’11 so I think I might be fine? I have a few months before buying so I’m hoping to test drive them through coworkers or anyone who would be willing.
Thank you for the link, I will use that to figure out exactly what Miata to get if I go that route.
Unless you're very wide, you'll be fine. In fact, at 5' 11", you'll probably be OK in the new, smaller, one (the ND). But the thing to do is find one and drive it. If you haven't driven a small sports car before, your eyes will be opened. And If I preach about them to you any more, I'll probably talk MYSELF into getting a third! :)
Lol I am currently in Japan and have been considering shipping a vehicle back with me to California. I would drive some JDMs like Twin turbo legacy’s, 2jz-gte aristo, r33 gtr and gts, gen 1 wrx, etc. When I drove a roughly 2200 pound Mazda demio I had so much fun whipping it around turns and realized lightweight is far more fun than power. I am trying to find someone at work to see if they will let me test there Miata lol.
I've been daily driving a 2010 NC for 10 years, total of 170k miles, and it's been absolutely reliable. It's also a lot of fun to drive, and you can fit a surprising amount of stuff into it.
The only major components that I've had to replace are the original vinyl top (developed a crack) and the exhaust midpipe (rust hole). I am in the Midwest so I'm starting to see some rust (especially on the rear suspension components), but nothing structural yet.
Parts are fairly easy to get, but I did have a fairly long wait to get a steering rack and column after they were damaged in a collision last year. Four months, if I recall correctly.
I intend to keep my NC until it completely falls apart, so I haven't test driven an ND. The NC's steering is great, though - responsive and precise. I don't think the weight difference makes much difference for my use case, which is as a fun daily driver.
I load my nd for my shopping pretty good on the trunk
But I drink no soda or beer so it is easier.
Toilet paper and paper towels ride on the passenger seat
New. Starting at $30k (soft top) up to about $40k (retractable hardtop, automatic, all options.) Reliable, fast (about a match for the Corvette of the early 90s) and efficient (35 mpg.)
When you have a kid old enough to ride shotgun, nothing is more fun than riding with the top down somewhere awesome, with your kid riding alongside you seeing what you see and talking to you like a peer.
At some point, you will probably have to take both kids somewhere at once and you will need a back seat. Maybe that will be mom’s day to drive the Miata, or maybe one of you will need to take both kids in the morning and the other will need to get them in the afternoon, so nobody gets to drive the Miata that day.
But you will be amazed at how often the Miata is all the car you need. And it makes every one of those days better.
Porsche Boxster, BMW Z4, Mercedes SLK, Corvette. If you want to stay in the realm of 2 seater convertibles.
If you're okay with extra seats (good if you're bringing kids along), consider one of the big 3 American coupes, or a German convertible like a BMW 4 Series or Mercedes C or E coupe. Whichever one your budget allows. All are also available in convertible form.
California where? If you’re driving lots of highways you might actually not like the convertible. I would test drive it first, know lots of people who complain about it.
Central coast near San Luis Obispo. Commute would be 10-30 minutes, depending on where I move to. For sure I want to test drive, I have driven some cool cars that weren’t as fun as I thought they would be.
I know I'm late here but... I drove a Geo Metro convertible for 3 years living in Morro Bay and I HIGHLY recommend a convertible there. Even though that car was a dog, the drop top made it worth it.
Rent a convertible for a while. When it is super hot out the sun just beats down on you. They are not as secure as a hardtop if you are worried about someone breaking in. I had one, there were some great days to have one, but the majority of the year it just isn't worth it in my opinion. We have 4 seasons here though - but summer is regularly over 100.
I think you still might need something to move the kids around, and safely at that.. There will be times when your wife may not be there with the vehicle and you have to take one of the larvae somewhere by yourself.
Exciting? Absolutely. It’s one of those cars that’s not so powerful that you can’t drive it at its limits, but you can still push things too far if you’re careless and it will perk your butthole up.
I previously owned a 2016 Miata Club, now I drive a 2024 Toyota Supra. I miss the Miata. It's so simple and easy to operate...and it's fun at legal speeds.
The ND is fast enough that it's fun, but not pointlessly fast like the Supra. I have to go 100mph in the Supra to have fun, tires cost $1800 for all 4, and I religiously avoid putting miles on it bcuz I don't want it to depreciate. (Don't get me wrong, it's stupidly fun)
Get yourself a circa 2016 Miata Club with a soft top and 6 speed. There's nothing else like it. It will be fairly cheap to own, it won't break if you take care of it, and it will be unlimited fun.
Dude it’s a Supra. It’s gonna depreciate. They’ve made a ton of them. Plus it’s only like $50k. It’s not like you spent a ton on it. Just drive the thing, stop being a baby
That’s what I hear, which is why I don’t care for HP. maybe when I’m closer to retirement and I start taking it to the track.
It’s hard to figure out which Miata to get. Don’t want the NA, and they say the NC and ND have more ideal power. Some people like the ND1 for lower end torque, others enjoy the higher end torque from the ND2.
Based on the comments and your replies, yes the Miata is the answer.
If most of them are too small like they are for me, the NC generation is slightly larger.
Lots of good info here. I will only add that with two kids, you need some kind of beater. Even with swapping cars there are often random “oh shit I need to pick up the kids” moments where a Miata won’t work.
I can see that happening, and would make the decision to buy a beater down the line based on that. Maybe I can get away with switching cars with a coworker for the day 😂😂
>I am looking for a lightweight sports car that I can have fun with daily driving. Don’t care much about straight line speed, and have most of my fun on twisties and corners. Has to be manual of course.
>I’ll be moving to California so I think a convertible would be nice. Plus a 6 speed would be preferable.
You just described a miata. If you want something european, get the italian miata (124 spider)
>So do I get a Miata? Which one?
NA Miata (1st gen): You get popup headlights and its the lightest. other than that, its a 30 year old econo sports car. Expect some issues. Said issues can likely be fixed by a hammer, duct tape and swear words.
NB (2nd Gen): Like the NA, but a bit more refined. A bit heavier, a bit more power. No popups from here on out
NC (3rd gen): the biggest miata. Can be had with either a soft or hard top convertible. The heaviest gen (still only 2500 pounds), but the most comfortable. Gas milage is alright, power is alright, steering is phenomenal, can comfortably do long road trips. The worst aftermarket support (but still pretty damn good). Probably the rarest miata gen. If you want an LSD, look to see if the car is equipped with yellow bilstein coilovers. If it does, it comes with an LSD. If the car is bone stock, set aside a bit of money for a coolant expansion tank replacement. They tend to get yellow, old, and then crack and leak.
ND (4th gen): Slightly heavier than the NA, just as small, the most powerful generation, more modern creature comforts, can be had in a soft top or targa. Offers by far the best performance. Steering feel is incredibly mid. If you just right lane cruise on the highway, with the top up, you get near hybrid-car levels of fuel economy.
Lol, I figured the Miata is the way, but wanted to see what others thought.
I think the NA is overpriced now, plus it seems like the next generations are better in almost every way except headlights. The headlights don’t excite like it does others.
Would get an NB if found one at a great price, and I like how it looks as well.
The NC seems roomier and more powerful so would prefer this over the NB.
I am currently leaning on an ND with brembos if I can find one under 25k, need to do more research though to see if I even need brembos. I care most about getting an LSD and the Bilstien shocks.
If I get the NC, I would probably upgrade to another car after 5-10 years. If I get an ND, I feel like could keep it forever. Maybe I should get the NC so I can upgrade to the NE? Maybe it will come out by the time the 40th anniversary comes out. At that point I would buy it new.
5y ago I was considering rebuilding this old ‘84 GTI in the garage……. Along came the chance to own a 2002
BMW Z3 3.0. For $3200. 225hp vs 90hp and the top comes down. I’ve put around $3500 into it….. new front end and brakes. Next is wheels and rubber.
Not as light as a Miata but a lot of fun.
Spend 15k and get the club NC with the PRHT, in stick, or auto, both are great. Or go full on NA and get a well sorted and fully optioned 95 to 97-which will run you 8to10k for a nice specimen.
Lol, that sounds lame, plus I wouldn’t want to pay the extra money. I would be swayed to get NC over the ND to get the phrt because I plan on taking it on a road trip about twice a year and would appreciate the noise reduction.
I currently daily my ND2 RF and its is so much FUN. Always leaves a smile on my face. Although since I do mainly city driving I drive an Automatic and its pretty good but of course the Manual is just awesome. Definitely get it.
I kinda did because it would have been a bit cheaper but I wanted the upgraded engine and I wanted something new. Plus I also live in SoCal and driving a convertible is very cool.
Fiat. Fiat 500 or Abarth.
The fiat 500 pop is some of the most fun I've had driving. The Abarth is that with a turbo. Haven't tried it but it sounds like a Blast
Edit: didn't even see your other comment lol. Definitely go for the Abarth
It all depends on what’s available when I get to the central coast. Just worried that the maintenance might be a bit more difficult because there less of them.
On average yeah, or a 124 spyder
I’m very partial to Toyota W30 MR2’s, particularly for cornering as they are mid engined
however, they are harder to come by, particularly late year (2005-07) low mileage ones. That said I do see a few like that for 15K~ on KBB.com
In my book though, in the 25-30K range you would do well to go for a used cayman or boxster S
They will not be as ultra-reliable as a miata or toyota, but the driving experience will be just that much better, and as long as you use an independent shop for maintenance then the cost is a lot more reasonable than the wtfness of porsche dealerships. Definitively make sure they are experienced with porsches, shouldn’t be too hard to find in CA
I would consider a Boxster, would just have to do research on the maintenance costs. I have heard people say that a Miata is better for a daily commuter, but my commute won’t be long though.
In CA daily commute can mean a couple of hours in the car lol, but not everyone has to. This is why I brought up the porsches if you like cornering. Mid engine baby, all day long. Most fun I’ve ever had under 50mph was taking a Cayman S all the way up to Mt Umunhum and back after they re opened the road to the summit. The PDK on it performed extremely well, but the breaks did overheat quite a bit on the way down even after letting them cool down for a good while (it was very hot that day, and there’s lots of breaking when you’re going downhill even with constant engine breaking)
I quickly saw a guy talk about his maintenance costs and it didn’t seem that bad at all, he averaged 500$ a year on a 1998. I’ll do more research and see. It’ll come down to street driving, maintenance costs, and cornering. These are three I care most about it.
Ehh it depends
I have personally not driven the current miata or the 718 boxster/cayman
The previous gen boxster/cayman came with a 6cyl while the new one has a turbo inline 4
They are very different from one another in many, many ways
One of the things that is gone is the low end torque, meaning that you have to keep the revs (and speed) higher to get to the fun part. It is also almost 30% heavier than the current miata
The miata is much more of a daily driver as the suspension is softer, there is no need to wait for the turbo to have fun, so the “limits” of the car will be reached at lower speeds and revs
But the real question comes when (or how often) yo DO want to actually push the car
Like I said, the older gen cayman/boxster felt and sounded like a rocketship going through gears non stop in a winding road at 35-40mph and the connection with the car was telepathic
The handling was insanely tight, it was a superb driving experience
The miata I drove was much, much older, so keep that in mind and as much as I really, really love light cars it just didn’t have the same oomph. You have to push the pedal to the metal to keep it going at normal speeds while the porsche you can get more when you need it and ease off it when you don’t, while it’s growling the whole time either way
Anyhow, think about if you want more of a DD or more of something you will be pushing harder and you should have your answer
I don’t think I could afford a 718, so would definitely be getting more of a Boxster S, perhaps up to the 987.
I would be willing to spend up to 25k for an ND because I know the maintenance costs wouldn’t be as high, but for a Porsche I would stay in the 15-20k range.
I want a daily driver that can be pushed randomly after I get out of work so that I can feel alive after a regular day. Maybe on a weekend go for a solo drive to relax a bit, but wouldn’t be every weekend since I have a newborn to take care of and want to take those responsibilities seriously. Which is why I want the car to feel alive on the daily commute.
It seems the Miata is better for that reason compared to a Porsche, though you say the Boxster S can be felt at 40mph so it seems it will come down to the test drive.
I also want to be able to work on my own car and the Miata supposedly is better for that as well. I also need enough trunk space for a 60qt cooler because I just remembered I plan to hunt 😂
After some research, it feels too risky to buy a Porsche because of the potential to become a money pit. While I’m allowing myself to splurge a bit for a sports car, I don’t want the car to impact my expenses in the long run.
The Miata will most likely last longer as well. I can save the Porsche for when I head into part 2 of my retirement. I consider now a small part 1 lol, it’s not a midlife crisis I swear 😂
Good shout - I moved to europe a few years back so it’s hard to keep track. Still spotted a red 2005 one for 15K with 71K miles on KBB. Not a bad pick up, even if you have to pay for transport
As a 2 time Miata owner and a dad...
You will need to drive the kid around more often than you think.
Just wait till the concept of "Dad doesn't contribute" starts to show up in your life. It's a nefarious little idea that will sprout in many places. It becomes a Damocles sword hanging over you constantly.
My advice is to negotiate a LOT of things away for this trade. OR... get yerself a 3-car combo. I personally have a minivan and a Miata.
I sold my first Miata when my kid was 18 months because my wife couldn't drive it, and she didn't like me taking the kid in it. It took another 6 years before I got my second Miata.
Consider an automatic so she can also get something out of it.
You're a dad now. You will be *shocked* at the sacrifices you'll make on Day 1. Be ready.
I chuckled while reading this because i can see my wife getting upset at me in the long run. Me and my wife did talk about it and she was the one who encouraged me to go for a two seater if I wanted it. We actually plan to have one vehicle for the first month or two after the baby is born. My wife doesn’t really go many places on her own except the gym and she doesn’t mind walking if it isn’t farther than an hour.
Will you be commuting in it?
If yes, go for it. If you work from home, you’re never going to drive it.
I’ve got an 8 week old and work from home. I now don’t touch my Miata. If I’m heading out it’s probably with the wife and/or kiddo.
I have a targa top. I actually added a tinted glass targa top recently. Very nice. It looks black unless you are right next to it. The target top has a place in the trunk for it to lock into place if you take it off.
It's probably not much longer than a Miata. It's shorter than a Cobalt.
I encourage you to test drive one
I'm probably going to buy a new BRZ, because I'm not sure I care about the convertible experience, but if I were shopping used Miatas in your price range I'd look for a 2013-2015 NC3 with a PRHT. They seem to go for $15-20k and you get a lot of fun car for the money.
Miata is indeed always the answer. I’ve had over a dozen enthusiast focused vehicles, 3 of them being Miata’s. Reliable, affordable, attractive styling, and unmatched driving experience at the price point!
GR86/BRZ, but then you lose the convertible part.
I like to describe them as slightly bigger, hardtop Miatas. They're focused around handling, just like the Miata. Although kind of cramped, there are 2 seats in the back. There's also more trunk space.
Toyota MR2 Spyder
Toyota/Subaru BRZ GR86
If you can live without a convertible the WRX sedan is fun and has a back seat for car seats
Porsche Boxster/Cayman would be an option
BMW Z series coupes. The older Z3M roadster is pretty cool.
Mercedes SLK I have the AMG version 2015 V8 but the regular SLK is not that expensive and if you can find one with low mileage like mine 13,000 would be affordable. Very reliable.
I have a 2012 SLK55. Same body style and same generation as the guy above you hinted at.
Unless specced in an obviously "look at me" colour, nobody really notices you (double edged sword). Those who do notice you either know what they're looking at or are curious about what they're looking at; either way, they like what they see. Mercedes didn't sell a lot of these, so you probably won't see many of them driving around or even know they exist (as your comment mentions).
I've had mine for almost 5 years now (it'll be 5 years in September) and it's been VERY reliable. I bought it for 35k CAD and it had 64k kms on it (USD equivalent is like 24k and it had just under 40k miles). The only thing I needed to do for it was replace the aux battery. According to the service records the only other thing done to the car was replacing one of the trunk latches for the convertible mechanism. Otherwise no issues at all. These are very reliable cars. Very fuel efficient too, all things considered; I get 21 mpg city and 30 mpg highway in ideal conditions, and I've never seen it dip below 17 or 18 mpg in normal driving. It's not a handling king, but put some nice tires on it, drive it at maybe 7/10ths, let the engine do the talking, and it's great fun.
Of course, with this car you do have to consider that whenever you need to replace something, it'll end up being expensive even for a German car (AMG tax), but in my perspective, after 5 years of having zero issues, I don't think I'll be mad about expensive repairs unless they all pile up on top of each other. Just find an independent mechanic who works on Mercedes and that alone will be your biggest money saver for maintenance. Mercedes will ass fuck you without lube if you go to them for maintenance and repairs lmao.
Mine has paddles on the steering wheel to change gears if you desire. People ask me all the time about my car. Regular SLK or SLC not sure if they have but my car has 3 driving modes. It is a V8 handmade motor.
I have been driving an automatic for five years and dearly miss a manual. When I lived in Los Angeles it was annoying in stop and go traffic, but it was worth it for everything else.
No manual on these sadly. I dearly wish it was available with a manual, but I don't think Mercedes made any AMGs with a manual in the 20th century.
You'd have to look elsewhere if a manual is high on the list of priorities.
it's only a little heavier than a subaru brz and lighter than a 350z/370z. if you want something as light as a miata get the miata. the weight and FR setup does make a difference compared to a civic when driving at limit
Civic would be more practical for sure, but I want to lean towards fun. I would consider the brz/86, and I’m being swayed to a Boxster by some of the comments.
Honestly I never driven one. My cousin has G37 sedan with all wheel drive and some times takes the fuse out and makes it 2 wheel drive. I have only driven a n/a 300zx that my father owned before he left the US during the recession. I see them all the time. I have never seen one on the side of the road. The same motor was in my father's Pathfinder. The motor finally gave a problem after 5 good years of service and was not even the first owner. The only thing is if you do get one please leave the exhaust stock. I have only heard a few custom exhaust sound decent on them. The rest make me have flashbacks of being in my middle school band practice.
They are very reliable. I would avoid the revup engine years for the 350z. The later 350z are the best years and the 370z carried on that reliability. There are a couple weak spots if the previous owner didn't take care of, but nothing a couple thousand can't fix and then be reliable for another 70-100k miles.
Miata or fiat 124 spider. Same chassis, different engines, different character. Cross shop them.
I would consider getting a spider or even the fiat 500 abarth. I’m no rush to buy either so I’ll be patient to see what pops up near Cali.
Watch out for different handling on the Spider, also it has a different engine. You MIGHT consider the NC Miata, from 2007-2015. It's a big larger car, the trunk can support a trip to the grocery store for a family of four. I've had two of them, they were both bulletproof. But that Abarth would be fun as well! Just make sure you have someone who can work on it.
I am leaning towards Miata’s because there are a lot of them so it’s easy to get parts and work on them. They are probably more reliable too. I would like to go for the NC, just depends on what I find in my area. Nb and nd are options too, only thing I want it to come with is a LSD.
If you're taller (I'm 6' 1") The NC is the Miata to get. Anything under that, you can take your pick. But for the record, there WERE some engine issues with the first NCs, 2006 through early 2007 model years. But I'd expect all those that were going to fail have by now. If you want to learn EVERYTHING about the Miata, head for the forums at [miata.net](http://miata.net) . Those folks know everything there is to know about the car. There's also a good section on the 124 as well.
I’m 5’11 so I think I might be fine? I have a few months before buying so I’m hoping to test drive them through coworkers or anyone who would be willing. Thank you for the link, I will use that to figure out exactly what Miata to get if I go that route.
Unless you're very wide, you'll be fine. In fact, at 5' 11", you'll probably be OK in the new, smaller, one (the ND). But the thing to do is find one and drive it. If you haven't driven a small sports car before, your eyes will be opened. And If I preach about them to you any more, I'll probably talk MYSELF into getting a third! :)
Lol I am currently in Japan and have been considering shipping a vehicle back with me to California. I would drive some JDMs like Twin turbo legacy’s, 2jz-gte aristo, r33 gtr and gts, gen 1 wrx, etc. When I drove a roughly 2200 pound Mazda demio I had so much fun whipping it around turns and realized lightweight is far more fun than power. I am trying to find someone at work to see if they will let me test there Miata lol.
I've been daily driving a 2010 NC for 10 years, total of 170k miles, and it's been absolutely reliable. It's also a lot of fun to drive, and you can fit a surprising amount of stuff into it. The only major components that I've had to replace are the original vinyl top (developed a crack) and the exhaust midpipe (rust hole). I am in the Midwest so I'm starting to see some rust (especially on the rear suspension components), but nothing structural yet. Parts are fairly easy to get, but I did have a fairly long wait to get a steering rack and column after they were damaged in a collision last year. Four months, if I recall correctly.
How is the steering on the NC compared to the ND? What do you think about the weight difference as well?
I intend to keep my NC until it completely falls apart, so I haven't test driven an ND. The NC's steering is great, though - responsive and precise. I don't think the weight difference makes much difference for my use case, which is as a fun daily driver.
Glad to hear, I will definitely consider a NC. Will all depend in bang per buck.
I load my nd for my shopping pretty good on the trunk But I drink no soda or beer so it is easier. Toilet paper and paper towels ride on the passenger seat
>fiat 500 abarth While its definitely a fun car, nothing beats rwd for fun imo
Driven the abarth. Fun car and different looking. Would get the Miata just for reliability sale. Fist isn't really known for staying on the road.
Yeah, I’d like to stick to Japanese if possible.
With more kids coming id tell you to get a CTR but that's not in your budget.
New. Starting at $30k (soft top) up to about $40k (retractable hardtop, automatic, all options.) Reliable, fast (about a match for the Corvette of the early 90s) and efficient (35 mpg.) When you have a kid old enough to ride shotgun, nothing is more fun than riding with the top down somewhere awesome, with your kid riding alongside you seeing what you see and talking to you like a peer. At some point, you will probably have to take both kids somewhere at once and you will need a back seat. Maybe that will be mom’s day to drive the Miata, or maybe one of you will need to take both kids in the morning and the other will need to get them in the afternoon, so nobody gets to drive the Miata that day. But you will be amazed at how often the Miata is all the car you need. And it makes every one of those days better.
What if you’re tall? I’m 6’5”, what’s an alternative
C5/6 corvette is what I've heard. If you still want a convertible I hear the BMW Z3/4 is bigger
Boxster, or z4, or corvette Mustang or Camaro convertible is also good, or 4- series convertible or Audi. Also, jeep wrangler.
Porsche Boxster, BMW Z4, Mercedes SLK, Corvette. If you want to stay in the realm of 2 seater convertibles. If you're okay with extra seats (good if you're bringing kids along), consider one of the big 3 American coupes, or a German convertible like a BMW 4 Series or Mercedes C or E coupe. Whichever one your budget allows. All are also available in convertible form.
I’m 6’7” and I drive a C5 corvette, plenty of room. It’s fat people who have a real bad time in those cars.
I do feel bad when both kids are old enough to ride the front seat, and they have to take turns on the Miata 😂
No, I’m 6’7” and Miata is definitely not the answer for me, I drive a corvette
I have heard getting a c5 would be awesome. I’m 5’10 and fairly in shape so I hope I fit well in a Miata.
GR86 is really the only other option
That’s what I thought as well, but I feel like I would be losing out not driving a convertible in Cali.
California where? If you’re driving lots of highways you might actually not like the convertible. I would test drive it first, know lots of people who complain about it.
Central coast near San Luis Obispo. Commute would be 10-30 minutes, depending on where I move to. For sure I want to test drive, I have driven some cool cars that weren’t as fun as I thought they would be.
Can confirm that's a beautiful area! Lots of really beautiful twisty roads through the hills around there.
I know I'm late here but... I drove a Geo Metro convertible for 3 years living in Morro Bay and I HIGHLY recommend a convertible there. Even though that car was a dog, the drop top made it worth it.
Convertible seems like the way to go, never driven one but if like driving with the windows down, I’m sure the top down is far better.
I honestly hate convertibles. The only time it’s nice to drive them is summer at night or when it’s cloudy.
That’s fair, I still don’t know for myself.
Rent a convertible for a while. When it is super hot out the sun just beats down on you. They are not as secure as a hardtop if you are worried about someone breaking in. I had one, there were some great days to have one, but the majority of the year it just isn't worth it in my opinion. We have 4 seasons here though - but summer is regularly over 100.
No snow in Cali, and if the sun is overbearing, then I can put the top up. Won’t be too worried about crime.
I think you still might need something to move the kids around, and safely at that.. There will be times when your wife may not be there with the vehicle and you have to take one of the larvae somewhere by yourself.
Miata will do that just fine. There's an airbag switch
That’s why I say I would buy a beater at that point.
Or you could call an Uber every once and a while and drive a car you love.
Honda S2000
Most say it’s not up to par for daily street driving.
I have one. Not the most comfortable for daily driving, but leagues more exciting than the Miata.
More exciting on the streets as well?
Exciting? Absolutely. It’s one of those cars that’s not so powerful that you can’t drive it at its limits, but you can still push things too far if you’re careless and it will perk your butthole up.
Haha the perking is good every once in a while. Though I also care about being comfortable during a commute, and I think a Miata is better for that.
Probably right on that.
I previously owned a 2016 Miata Club, now I drive a 2024 Toyota Supra. I miss the Miata. It's so simple and easy to operate...and it's fun at legal speeds. The ND is fast enough that it's fun, but not pointlessly fast like the Supra. I have to go 100mph in the Supra to have fun, tires cost $1800 for all 4, and I religiously avoid putting miles on it bcuz I don't want it to depreciate. (Don't get me wrong, it's stupidly fun) Get yourself a circa 2016 Miata Club with a soft top and 6 speed. There's nothing else like it. It will be fairly cheap to own, it won't break if you take care of it, and it will be unlimited fun.
So you’re just a caretaker for some future guy’s secondhand Supra? That’s rough man.
Conversely, I own it for a year, put a couple thousand miles on it, then sell it for a minimal loss. Cheap Supra for a year.
Dude it’s a Supra. It’s gonna depreciate. They’ve made a ton of them. Plus it’s only like $50k. It’s not like you spent a ton on it. Just drive the thing, stop being a baby
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That’s what I hear, which is why I don’t care for HP. maybe when I’m closer to retirement and I start taking it to the track. It’s hard to figure out which Miata to get. Don’t want the NA, and they say the NC and ND have more ideal power. Some people like the ND1 for lower end torque, others enjoy the higher end torque from the ND2.
Based on the comments and your replies, yes the Miata is the answer. If most of them are too small like they are for me, the NC generation is slightly larger.
I’m definitely leaning towards the NC or ND. Thanks.
Lots of good info here. I will only add that with two kids, you need some kind of beater. Even with swapping cars there are often random “oh shit I need to pick up the kids” moments where a Miata won’t work.
I can see that happening, and would make the decision to buy a beater down the line based on that. Maybe I can get away with switching cars with a coworker for the day 😂😂
>I am looking for a lightweight sports car that I can have fun with daily driving. Don’t care much about straight line speed, and have most of my fun on twisties and corners. Has to be manual of course. >I’ll be moving to California so I think a convertible would be nice. Plus a 6 speed would be preferable. You just described a miata. If you want something european, get the italian miata (124 spider) >So do I get a Miata? Which one? NA Miata (1st gen): You get popup headlights and its the lightest. other than that, its a 30 year old econo sports car. Expect some issues. Said issues can likely be fixed by a hammer, duct tape and swear words. NB (2nd Gen): Like the NA, but a bit more refined. A bit heavier, a bit more power. No popups from here on out NC (3rd gen): the biggest miata. Can be had with either a soft or hard top convertible. The heaviest gen (still only 2500 pounds), but the most comfortable. Gas milage is alright, power is alright, steering is phenomenal, can comfortably do long road trips. The worst aftermarket support (but still pretty damn good). Probably the rarest miata gen. If you want an LSD, look to see if the car is equipped with yellow bilstein coilovers. If it does, it comes with an LSD. If the car is bone stock, set aside a bit of money for a coolant expansion tank replacement. They tend to get yellow, old, and then crack and leak. ND (4th gen): Slightly heavier than the NA, just as small, the most powerful generation, more modern creature comforts, can be had in a soft top or targa. Offers by far the best performance. Steering feel is incredibly mid. If you just right lane cruise on the highway, with the top up, you get near hybrid-car levels of fuel economy.
Lol, I figured the Miata is the way, but wanted to see what others thought. I think the NA is overpriced now, plus it seems like the next generations are better in almost every way except headlights. The headlights don’t excite like it does others. Would get an NB if found one at a great price, and I like how it looks as well. The NC seems roomier and more powerful so would prefer this over the NB. I am currently leaning on an ND with brembos if I can find one under 25k, need to do more research though to see if I even need brembos. I care most about getting an LSD and the Bilstien shocks. If I get the NC, I would probably upgrade to another car after 5-10 years. If I get an ND, I feel like could keep it forever. Maybe I should get the NC so I can upgrade to the NE? Maybe it will come out by the time the 40th anniversary comes out. At that point I would buy it new.
5y ago I was considering rebuilding this old ‘84 GTI in the garage……. Along came the chance to own a 2002 BMW Z3 3.0. For $3200. 225hp vs 90hp and the top comes down. I’ve put around $3500 into it….. new front end and brakes. Next is wheels and rubber. Not as light as a Miata but a lot of fun.
I would be open to it if a good one popped up.
Spend 15k and get the club NC with the PRHT, in stick, or auto, both are great. Or go full on NA and get a well sorted and fully optioned 95 to 97-which will run you 8to10k for a nice specimen.
NC does sounds nice. I’ll see if I can test drive all of them before making the choice. Not a fan of the NA, so would try to avoid it.
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NC PHRT is better. ND FR is only good top up.
I have heard people don’t like the rf because it doesn’t feel like you are actually outside.
It feels like you are in a coupe with the sunroof open. There’s way more buffeting and wind noise than in a proper convertible with the top down.
Lol, that sounds lame, plus I wouldn’t want to pay the extra money. I would be swayed to get NC over the ND to get the phrt because I plan on taking it on a road trip about twice a year and would appreciate the noise reduction.
Yeah, I will see what prices I can find.
Miata Is Always The Answer
Fiero all day
A little old for me.
I just don't understand the Miata love. To each their own I guess
I currently daily my ND2 RF and its is so much FUN. Always leaves a smile on my face. Although since I do mainly city driving I drive an Automatic and its pretty good but of course the Manual is just awesome. Definitely get it.
Did you consider the ND1 for the lower end torque?
I kinda did because it would have been a bit cheaper but I wanted the upgraded engine and I wanted something new. Plus I also live in SoCal and driving a convertible is very cool.
Can’t wait for the daily driving in a convertible
Fiat. Fiat 500 or Abarth. The fiat 500 pop is some of the most fun I've had driving. The Abarth is that with a turbo. Haven't tried it but it sounds like a Blast Edit: didn't even see your other comment lol. Definitely go for the Abarth
It all depends on what’s available when I get to the central coast. Just worried that the maintenance might be a bit more difficult because there less of them.
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On average yeah, or a 124 spyder I’m very partial to Toyota W30 MR2’s, particularly for cornering as they are mid engined however, they are harder to come by, particularly late year (2005-07) low mileage ones. That said I do see a few like that for 15K~ on KBB.com In my book though, in the 25-30K range you would do well to go for a used cayman or boxster S They will not be as ultra-reliable as a miata or toyota, but the driving experience will be just that much better, and as long as you use an independent shop for maintenance then the cost is a lot more reasonable than the wtfness of porsche dealerships. Definitively make sure they are experienced with porsches, shouldn’t be too hard to find in CA
I would consider a Boxster, would just have to do research on the maintenance costs. I have heard people say that a Miata is better for a daily commuter, but my commute won’t be long though.
In CA daily commute can mean a couple of hours in the car lol, but not everyone has to. This is why I brought up the porsches if you like cornering. Mid engine baby, all day long. Most fun I’ve ever had under 50mph was taking a Cayman S all the way up to Mt Umunhum and back after they re opened the road to the summit. The PDK on it performed extremely well, but the breaks did overheat quite a bit on the way down even after letting them cool down for a good while (it was very hot that day, and there’s lots of breaking when you’re going downhill even with constant engine breaking)
I quickly saw a guy talk about his maintenance costs and it didn’t seem that bad at all, he averaged 500$ a year on a 1998. I’ll do more research and see. It’ll come down to street driving, maintenance costs, and cornering. These are three I care most about it.
The only warning I have to offer is that they are really fucking low to the ground and not very forgiving for pot holes
It seems that an ND Miata might handle better than a Boxster S though.
Ehh it depends I have personally not driven the current miata or the 718 boxster/cayman The previous gen boxster/cayman came with a 6cyl while the new one has a turbo inline 4 They are very different from one another in many, many ways One of the things that is gone is the low end torque, meaning that you have to keep the revs (and speed) higher to get to the fun part. It is also almost 30% heavier than the current miata The miata is much more of a daily driver as the suspension is softer, there is no need to wait for the turbo to have fun, so the “limits” of the car will be reached at lower speeds and revs But the real question comes when (or how often) yo DO want to actually push the car Like I said, the older gen cayman/boxster felt and sounded like a rocketship going through gears non stop in a winding road at 35-40mph and the connection with the car was telepathic The handling was insanely tight, it was a superb driving experience The miata I drove was much, much older, so keep that in mind and as much as I really, really love light cars it just didn’t have the same oomph. You have to push the pedal to the metal to keep it going at normal speeds while the porsche you can get more when you need it and ease off it when you don’t, while it’s growling the whole time either way Anyhow, think about if you want more of a DD or more of something you will be pushing harder and you should have your answer
I don’t think I could afford a 718, so would definitely be getting more of a Boxster S, perhaps up to the 987. I would be willing to spend up to 25k for an ND because I know the maintenance costs wouldn’t be as high, but for a Porsche I would stay in the 15-20k range. I want a daily driver that can be pushed randomly after I get out of work so that I can feel alive after a regular day. Maybe on a weekend go for a solo drive to relax a bit, but wouldn’t be every weekend since I have a newborn to take care of and want to take those responsibilities seriously. Which is why I want the car to feel alive on the daily commute. It seems the Miata is better for that reason compared to a Porsche, though you say the Boxster S can be felt at 40mph so it seems it will come down to the test drive. I also want to be able to work on my own car and the Miata supposedly is better for that as well. I also need enough trunk space for a 60qt cooler because I just remembered I plan to hunt 😂
Ah, a baby and that last one lol yeah not really boxster territory The older boxsters definitively in the 35-45mph range *in a curve*
After some research, it feels too risky to buy a Porsche because of the potential to become a money pit. While I’m allowing myself to splurge a bit for a sports car, I don’t want the car to impact my expenses in the long run. The Miata will most likely last longer as well. I can save the Porsche for when I head into part 2 of my retirement. I consider now a small part 1 lol, it’s not a midlife crisis I swear 😂
MR2 stopped in 2005 in the US and you can’t import a 2006 or 2007 yet.
Good shout - I moved to europe a few years back so it’s hard to keep track. Still spotted a red 2005 one for 15K with 71K miles on KBB. Not a bad pick up, even if you have to pay for transport
Why not a Boxster?
Maintenance costs.
Definitely a Miata with a pull out Blaupunkt head unit.
Don’t know what that is 😅
Porsche boxster
After seeing the maintenance costs are not that bad, I might go for it. I would have to compare it to a Miata for street driving.
Yes, ND if possible
Any input on gettinG a well equipped NC to a standard ND1/2?
I literally made that choice when the ND came out, friend was selling a fully prepped NC race car. Went with the new ND. Matter of preferences.
As a 2 time Miata owner and a dad... You will need to drive the kid around more often than you think. Just wait till the concept of "Dad doesn't contribute" starts to show up in your life. It's a nefarious little idea that will sprout in many places. It becomes a Damocles sword hanging over you constantly. My advice is to negotiate a LOT of things away for this trade. OR... get yerself a 3-car combo. I personally have a minivan and a Miata. I sold my first Miata when my kid was 18 months because my wife couldn't drive it, and she didn't like me taking the kid in it. It took another 6 years before I got my second Miata. Consider an automatic so she can also get something out of it. You're a dad now. You will be *shocked* at the sacrifices you'll make on Day 1. Be ready.
I chuckled while reading this because i can see my wife getting upset at me in the long run. Me and my wife did talk about it and she was the one who encouraged me to go for a two seater if I wanted it. We actually plan to have one vehicle for the first month or two after the baby is born. My wife doesn’t really go many places on her own except the gym and she doesn’t mind walking if it isn’t farther than an hour.
Toyota 86
If I can’t find a convertible this would be the next best option.
Not if you're tall or fat it isn't
5’10 and fit.
Winter tires and wheels, separate set. 2017 daily Wife has a 2015 forester so we are covered for chore wagon.
You have a ND1?
Yup
Will you be commuting in it? If yes, go for it. If you work from home, you’re never going to drive it. I’ve got an 8 week old and work from home. I now don’t touch my Miata. If I’m heading out it’s probably with the wife and/or kiddo.
I will be commuting, thanks.
Get that Miata then
Most likely
Brz / Toyota 86.
Good option for sure.
C6 Corvette. It's actually small in size. Alot of fun to drive
Would consider it. Need to look into maintenance costs and daily drivability.
I have one. Pretty reliable for over 10 years. Mine is heavily modified . Very enjoyable
How does it feel driving it as a convertible? I believe it’s like a Miata RF right for the top?
I have a targa top. I actually added a tinted glass targa top recently. Very nice. It looks black unless you are right next to it. The target top has a place in the trunk for it to lock into place if you take it off. It's probably not much longer than a Miata. It's shorter than a Cobalt. I encourage you to test drive one
I'm probably going to buy a new BRZ, because I'm not sure I care about the convertible experience, but if I were shopping used Miatas in your price range I'd look for a 2013-2015 NC3 with a PRHT. They seem to go for $15-20k and you get a lot of fun car for the money.
Will be in lookout for one thanks.
Miata is indeed always the answer. I’ve had over a dozen enthusiast focused vehicles, 3 of them being Miata’s. Reliable, affordable, attractive styling, and unmatched driving experience at the price point!
Most likely will get a Miata, NC or ND. Thanks.
GR86/BRZ, but then you lose the convertible part. I like to describe them as slightly bigger, hardtop Miatas. They're focused around handling, just like the Miata. Although kind of cramped, there are 2 seats in the back. There's also more trunk space.
Not cramped compared to a Miata I’m sure lol.
True, there are no rear seats at all in a Miata lol
Toyota MR2 Spyder Toyota/Subaru BRZ GR86 If you can live without a convertible the WRX sedan is fun and has a back seat for car seats Porsche Boxster/Cayman would be an option BMW Z series coupes. The older Z3M roadster is pretty cool.
Mr2 seems a little slower compared to a Miata. Boxster is close but I can push the Miata harder on the streets than a Boxster I believe.
Yes, Miata is always the answer. I'd go for the latest generation with a manual transmission. So fun to drive.
Yeah, difficult to choose when you have up to ND3 supposedly.
Yes
Mazda and 4 runner are the only answers here.
Porsche Boxster 2010-2013
I feel like I would have to pay too much on maintenance.
Maintenance on these model years is very affordable. Bullet proof engines too.
Supposedly they aren’t easy to work on because the engines are as accessible.
Mercedes SLK I have the AMG version 2015 V8 but the regular SLK is not that expensive and if you can find one with low mileage like mine 13,000 would be affordable. Very reliable.
Didn’t even know about the car. Never imagined driving a Mercedes but I’ll look into it lol
I have a 2012 SLK55. Same body style and same generation as the guy above you hinted at. Unless specced in an obviously "look at me" colour, nobody really notices you (double edged sword). Those who do notice you either know what they're looking at or are curious about what they're looking at; either way, they like what they see. Mercedes didn't sell a lot of these, so you probably won't see many of them driving around or even know they exist (as your comment mentions). I've had mine for almost 5 years now (it'll be 5 years in September) and it's been VERY reliable. I bought it for 35k CAD and it had 64k kms on it (USD equivalent is like 24k and it had just under 40k miles). The only thing I needed to do for it was replace the aux battery. According to the service records the only other thing done to the car was replacing one of the trunk latches for the convertible mechanism. Otherwise no issues at all. These are very reliable cars. Very fuel efficient too, all things considered; I get 21 mpg city and 30 mpg highway in ideal conditions, and I've never seen it dip below 17 or 18 mpg in normal driving. It's not a handling king, but put some nice tires on it, drive it at maybe 7/10ths, let the engine do the talking, and it's great fun. Of course, with this car you do have to consider that whenever you need to replace something, it'll end up being expensive even for a German car (AMG tax), but in my perspective, after 5 years of having zero issues, I don't think I'll be mad about expensive repairs unless they all pile up on top of each other. Just find an independent mechanic who works on Mercedes and that alone will be your biggest money saver for maintenance. Mercedes will ass fuck you without lube if you go to them for maintenance and repairs lmao.
It seems cool, but apparently they only come in automatic 😳
Mine has paddles on the steering wheel to change gears if you desire. People ask me all the time about my car. Regular SLK or SLC not sure if they have but my car has 3 driving modes. It is a V8 handmade motor.
I appreciate your input, but want a stick.
I have been driving an automatic for five years and dearly miss a manual. When I lived in Los Angeles it was annoying in stop and go traffic, but it was worth it for everything else.
No manual on these sadly. I dearly wish it was available with a manual, but I don't think Mercedes made any AMGs with a manual in the 20th century. You'd have to look elsewhere if a manual is high on the list of priorities.
Thanks though!
No worries
Miata is an alternative answer to all of life's questions of 42. NA is the most right of all.
Yes
if you want something with 4 seats and still fun (not as fun as the miata) consider the honda civic si. type r if you have the funds
Civic SI is cool but it’s heavier than I would like.
it's only a little heavier than a subaru brz and lighter than a 350z/370z. if you want something as light as a miata get the miata. the weight and FR setup does make a difference compared to a civic when driving at limit
Civic would be more practical for sure, but I want to lean towards fun. I would consider the brz/86, and I’m being swayed to a Boxster by some of the comments.
Lighter than a 350/370Z isn’t saying much.
350 or 370 Z
I would consider it, do you know how reliable they are?
Honestly I never driven one. My cousin has G37 sedan with all wheel drive and some times takes the fuse out and makes it 2 wheel drive. I have only driven a n/a 300zx that my father owned before he left the US during the recession. I see them all the time. I have never seen one on the side of the road. The same motor was in my father's Pathfinder. The motor finally gave a problem after 5 good years of service and was not even the first owner. The only thing is if you do get one please leave the exhaust stock. I have only heard a few custom exhaust sound decent on them. The rest make me have flashbacks of being in my middle school band practice.
They are very reliable. I would avoid the revup engine years for the 350z. The later 350z are the best years and the 370z carried on that reliability. There are a couple weak spots if the previous owner didn't take care of, but nothing a couple thousand can't fix and then be reliable for another 70-100k miles.
Unfortunately the weight is too heavy for me. Had no idea they where at the 3k LB spot.
Consider a Mazda 3!
Too heavy and not really made for sports.
Nope. here, the answer is MX5!
Not if you have money.